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  • TazTaz Posts: 18,744

    Taz said:

    Anyway, off to the Square & Compass in Worth Matravers tomorrow, quite possibly the best pub in England.

    Here's the menu:

    "We only serve a selection of
    tasty, hot, home-made & locally-sourced
    pasties & pies with a variety of fillings."

    The best thing about that pub, and the pies are okay, is it is not far from Winspit Quarry where the timeless classic Dr Who stories ‘Underwater Menace’ and ‘Destiny of the Daleks’ were filmed as well as Blake’s 7 episode ‘Games’.
    Good morning, everyone.

    Was Games the episode in which the telepath joined?
    No, it was in the last series, with Stratford Johns.

    Paul Darrow at his scenery chewing best.

    Cally joined in Time Squad in the first series.

    When you walk down from the pub to the quarry the thing that strikes you is how awkward it must have been to get the TV equipment there and back. Either walking to the quarry or bringing by boat. Especially in the sixties.

    My mate doesn’t like that pub as when we walked out he banged his head and a couple of locals laughed.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,744

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    New theory: anywhere with heavy industry or mining has shit food, even now - or they have only recently recovered (Britain) - because for decades or even centuries the emphasis was on producing the quickest and heaviest calories for really hungry people with not much time and no room for discernment

    I know I'll get slated for this but...

    We're staying in a pub in Shropshire for a couple of nights next week, arriving Sunday - it's not the North, I know, but heading there.

    The only option for food when we arrive is their Sunday roast carvery. Locals rave about it on Tripadvisor - lots of photos of plates piled improbably high* with parsnips stacked like Jenga. The only negative comments are those whinging at the cost (£16.95). It may be very good but FFS please let there be other choices too. Please?

    Meanwhile, on Friday we ate at our local pub in Dorset: tronçon of turbot - excellent.

    Of course 'gastropubs' get the piss taken out of them but give me gastropub over a pile-it-high, old-style, traditional British fare pub any day.

    From our experience when living in the North, most pubs there follow the latter model.

    *For those who doubt the pile-it-high pics, take a look:

    image
    The reason ordinary people eat at Toby Carvery and not gastropubs is because they can afford the former and not the latter except on special occasions.
    But I’m not sure that’s true

    It’s true in London sure (not that London has Toby Carvery’s) but in the - *shudders* - provinces, is that true? I know gastropubs where you can eat well for £30 a head including a beer, or even two. Is that massively pricier than a Carvery?

    Massively.
    I retreat from the debate, entirely defeated

    I’ve never been in a Toby’s Carvery and even the siren call of research will not change this. I thank PB for saving me the struggle
    I am a champion of the unpretentious. I will defend the concept of Blackpool to anyone.. Or Holt's Bitter. Or Dairy Milk. Earlier today, I stood up for Gregg's.
    But Tobys are unmitigable shit. They're so bad they go go past so bad they're good and out the other side to so bad tbey're fucking terrible. They're egregious. Even at £11 a head they're expensive, because what the experience is worth is zero. They're one of the few experiences you need have no qualms whatsoever about dodging.
    lol

    I’ve often thought you should have a Ron Swanson type column in the daily mail

    A true Brit family man in the provinces, speaking his mind about real daily life. No posh wankery but no fake sentiment either. With a delicate hint of irony and the occasional blast of invective like this. It would genuinely be much better than 2/3 of what they publish. And better than 98% of the guardian
    To embroider my point, I actually think this is what the guardian TRIES to do with its weird Adrian Chiles column, which is generally and usually ultra dull but adds in the occasional emotional thing

    “Why I hate posh vinegar”

    “Blankets are underrated”

    “My dad died”

    Trouble is

    1. We all know he’s a tv presenter millionaire so the ordinary guy thing is ludicrous

    And

    2. Because of this he over-compensates on the weirdly ordinary side. “Sunlight can be annoying”

    The guardian should kick out Chiles and get @Cookie
    @Leon every time I see the Adrian Chiles column I try and read it, and re-read it in the hope that I discover what I have been missing in it. Is there some truly Alan Bennett type genius lurking in the dullness? Is it actually brilliant prose?

    What am I missing as to why this incredibly dull man gets a paid for weekly column in a national newspaper spouting about tedious crap?

    And then a little voice in my mind reminds me that his partner is Katharine Viner, editor of the, er, Guardian.
    Chiles is a terrible writer and a terrible presenter..or a Toby jug filled with useless piss as Stewart Lee so memorably pointed out..😏
    Apparently he’s a fan of West Brom, a nonentity soccer club, he sometimes mentions it.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,744
    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    New theory: anywhere with heavy industry or mining has shit food, even now - or they have only recently recovered (Britain) - because for decades or even centuries the emphasis was on producing the quickest and heaviest calories for really hungry people with not much time and no room for discernment

    I know I'll get slated for this but...

    We're staying in a pub in Shropshire for a couple of nights next week, arriving Sunday - it's not the North, I know, but heading there.

    The only option for food when we arrive is their Sunday roast carvery. Locals rave about it on Tripadvisor - lots of photos of plates piled improbably high* with parsnips stacked like Jenga. The only negative comments are those whinging at the cost (£16.95). It may be very good but FFS please let there be other choices too. Please?

    Meanwhile, on Friday we ate at our local pub in Dorset: tronçon of turbot - excellent.

    Of course 'gastropubs' get the piss taken out of them but give me gastropub over a pile-it-high, old-style, traditional British fare pub any day.

    From our experience when living in the North, most pubs there follow the latter model.

    *For those who doubt the pile-it-high pics, take a look:

    image
    The reason ordinary people eat at Toby Carvery and not gastropubs is because they can afford the former and not the latter except on special occasions.
    But I’m not sure that’s true

    It’s true in London sure (not that London has Toby Carvery’s) but in the - *shudders* - provinces, is that true? I know gastropubs where you can eat well for £30 a head including a beer, or even two. Is that massively pricier than a Carvery?

    Toby Carvery is £11, all you can eat. Well, all you can eat vegetables. The meat is doled out.
    I get the price is attractive, but I've never understood the popularity of bad pub roast dinners. Tobys are awful, but it's not just Tobys; it's actually quite rare to get a better roast dinner in a pub than you could do at home. And surely getting something better than you could do yourself is part of the point of eating out?
    I had a roast dinner in a pub yesterday and it was awful, as they usually are. My missus’s are the best, but it was her birthday so could hardly expect her to cook!

    The only decent roast I’ve had in Essex is at The Bear in Stock.
    The Park Head Hotel (really a big pub with rooms), outside Bishop Auckland does notably good roasts and pies.
    I had a great roast lunch at a pub in Lewes last summer. I was quite shocked, considering it was a Liberal Democrat constituency.
    Vegan, presumably then ?
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,744
    Sean_F said:

    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    New theory: anywhere with heavy industry or mining has shit food, even now - or they have only recently recovered (Britain) - because for decades or even centuries the emphasis was on producing the quickest and heaviest calories for really hungry people with not much time and no room for discernment

    I know I'll get slated for this but...

    We're staying in a pub in Shropshire for a couple of nights next week, arriving Sunday - it's not the North, I know, but heading there.

    The only option for food when we arrive is their Sunday roast carvery. Locals rave about it on Tripadvisor - lots of photos of plates piled improbably high* with parsnips stacked like Jenga. The only negative comments are those whinging at the cost (£16.95). It may be very good but FFS please let there be other choices too. Please?

    Meanwhile, on Friday we ate at our local pub in Dorset: tronçon of turbot - excellent.

    Of course 'gastropubs' get the piss taken out of them but give me gastropub over a pile-it-high, old-style, traditional British fare pub any day.

    From our experience when living in the North, most pubs there follow the latter model.

    *For those who doubt the pile-it-high pics, take a look:

    image
    The reason ordinary people eat at Toby Carvery and not gastropubs is because they can afford the former and not the latter except on special occasions.
    But I’m not sure that’s true

    It’s true in London sure (not that London has Toby Carvery’s) but in the - *shudders* - provinces, is that true? I know gastropubs where you can eat well for £30 a head including a beer, or even two. Is that massively pricier than a Carvery?

    Toby Carvery is £11, all you can eat. Well, all you can eat vegetables. The meat is doled out.
    I get the price is attractive, but I've never understood the popularity of bad pub roast dinners. Tobys are awful, but it's not just Tobys; it's actually quite rare to get a better roast dinner in a pub than you could do at home. And surely getting something better than you could do yourself is part of the point of eating out?
    I had a roast dinner in a pub yesterday and it was awful, as they usually are. My missus’s are the best, but it was her birthday so could hardly expect her to cook!

    The only decent roast I’ve had in Essex is at The Bear in Stock.
    The Park Head Hotel (really a big pub with rooms), outside Bishop Auckland does notably good roasts and pies.
    Lord Crewe Arms in Blanchland is also very good. The sharer is excellent.


    Mind you a couple of my locals do a decent Sunday Roast. Mind you so do I.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,601
    Good morning

    Seems Germany has a serious infrastructure problem with collapsing bridges and the problem many have is to be strong enough to carry tanks

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/03/why-are-germany-bridges-schools-falling-apart-far-right?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,899
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    New theory: anywhere with heavy industry or mining has shit food, even now - or they have only recently recovered (Britain) - because for decades or even centuries the emphasis was on producing the quickest and heaviest calories for really hungry people with not much time and no room for discernment

    I know I'll get slated for this but...

    We're staying in a pub in Shropshire for a couple of nights next week, arriving Sunday - it's not the North, I know, but heading there.

    The only option for food when we arrive is their Sunday roast carvery. Locals rave about it on Tripadvisor - lots of photos of plates piled improbably high* with parsnips stacked like Jenga. The only negative comments are those whinging at the cost (£16.95). It may be very good but FFS please let there be other choices too. Please?

    Meanwhile, on Friday we ate at our local pub in Dorset: tronçon of turbot - excellent.

    Of course 'gastropubs' get the piss taken out of them but give me gastropub over a pile-it-high, old-style, traditional British fare pub any day.

    From our experience when living in the North, most pubs there follow the latter model.

    *For those who doubt the pile-it-high pics, take a look:

    image
    The reason ordinary people eat at Toby Carvery and not gastropubs is because they can afford the former and not the latter except on special occasions.
    But I’m not sure that’s true

    It’s true in London sure (not that London has Toby Carvery’s) but in the - *shudders* - provinces, is that true? I know gastropubs where you can eat well for £30 a head including a beer, or even two. Is that massively pricier than a Carvery?

    Massively.
    I retreat from the debate, entirely defeated

    I’ve never been in a Toby’s Carvery and even the siren call of research will not change this. I thank PB for saving me the struggle
    I am a champion of the unpretentious. I will defend the concept of Blackpool to anyone.. Or Holt's Bitter. Or Dairy Milk. Earlier today, I stood up for Gregg's.
    But Tobys are unmitigable shit. They're so bad they go go past so bad they're good and out the other side to so bad tbey're fucking terrible. They're egregious. Even at £11 a head they're expensive, because what the experience is worth is zero. They're one of the few experiences you need have no qualms whatsoever about dodging.
    I don't agree.

    I have had many an enjoyable meal at Toby's. Maybe you've been to bad ones, but I've had good meals there.

    I don't go much anymore as I don't eat the carbs anymore so that rather defeats the point, but they're not a bad meal and they're quite affordable.

    Its unpretentious and enjoyable food, not fantastic, not miserable, just gloriously middle of the road. A decent roast dinner with freshly carved meat, no more, no less.
    But you go out to eat so as not to have to cook or wash up! So I take your view with a pinch of salt.

    And Middle of the Road implies there is something worse. And I am dubious about that too (though feel free to discuss the relative merits of Toby, Harvester and any other equivalents).
    I have had a lot of pub roast dinners since my father took ill and they range from bad to middle of the road, I have also had a lot of home cooked roast dinners over those years and frankly they also mostly range from bad to middle of the road. Now there are a few people that do a superb home roast dinner but I reckon less than 20%
    As an aside the first time I visited the family of my sons family, mother in law made a roast....she made the roast potato's by par boiling them then finishing them off in a deep fat frier like giant chips....I doubt even a toby can beat that one
    Many, many places selling “roast potatoes” start them in the deep fat drier. Quite a few cook them all the way.

    How many places, do you think, put a fresh batch in the oven, when you order, for 40 minutes+?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,035
    Morning all
    Bit of polling to start the day with YouGov - LDs will be pleased with a strong showing, but further sign everythimg fairly stable in that new post May 1 landscape. Obvs Refirm will want 30% as majorify very tough on any less

    YouGov / Sky / Times weekly voting intention

    RefUK 28%(-1)
    LAB 22%(+1)
    CON 18%(-1)
    LDEM 17%(+2)
    GRN 9%(-2)

    1/2 June 2025
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,246

    NEW THREAD

  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,631
    edited June 3
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Useless fact: I quite like thinking of unlikely sentences and seeing if anyone's ever put them on the internet before. The one I just thought of was "mixed race fascism". It turns out it is on there, but just once, in a reddit conversation. (Didn't spend too long on the thread itself in case it was a bit weird, lol).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Googlewhack
    Don't tell me it's not an original idea?!
    I like the Shrodinger's Cat style provisional nature of Googlewhacks. Shrodingers Cat no longer exists once you get to look at it, and prove it does exist. A Googlewhack no longer exists once anyone mentions it online.

    I'm interested in the concept of an Andywhack, which is the last person in the world to find out about something that everyone else already knows about already :smile: .

    I probably qualify as an Andywhack in many areas of popular music ... "Have you ever listened to (classic 1970s or 80s or 90s pop song)?". Probably not.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,350

    Morning all
    Bit of polling to start the day with YouGov - LDs will be pleased with a strong showing, but further sign everythimg fairly stable in that new post May 1 landscape. Obvs Refirm will want 30% as majorify very tough on any less

    YouGov / Sky / Times weekly voting intention

    RefUK 28%(-1)
    LAB 22%(+1)
    CON 18%(-1)
    LDEM 17%(+2)
    GRN 9%(-2)

    1/2 June 2025

    Last week's one was the outlier. There's been poll after poll showing Con/LD convergence and the slide of the Tories is now clear and unavoidable.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,745

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    New theory: anywhere with heavy industry or mining has shit food, even now - or they have only recently recovered (Britain) - because for decades or even centuries the emphasis was on producing the quickest and heaviest calories for really hungry people with not much time and no room for discernment

    I know I'll get slated for this but...

    We're staying in a pub in Shropshire for a couple of nights next week, arriving Sunday - it's not the North, I know, but heading there.

    The only option for food when we arrive is their Sunday roast carvery. Locals rave about it on Tripadvisor - lots of photos of plates piled improbably high* with parsnips stacked like Jenga. The only negative comments are those whinging at the cost (£16.95). It may be very good but FFS please let there be other choices too. Please?

    Meanwhile, on Friday we ate at our local pub in Dorset: tronçon of turbot - excellent.

    Of course 'gastropubs' get the piss taken out of them but give me gastropub over a pile-it-high, old-style, traditional British fare pub any day.

    From our experience when living in the North, most pubs there follow the latter model.

    *For those who doubt the pile-it-high pics, take a look:

    image
    The reason ordinary people eat at Toby Carvery and not gastropubs is because they can afford the former and not the latter except on special occasions.
    But I’m not sure that’s true

    It’s true in London sure (not that London has Toby Carvery’s) but in the - *shudders* - provinces, is that true? I know gastropubs where you can eat well for £30 a head including a beer, or even two. Is that massively pricier than a Carvery?

    Massively.
    I retreat from the debate, entirely defeated

    I’ve never been in a Toby’s Carvery and even the siren call of research will not change this. I thank PB for saving me the struggle
    I am a champion of the unpretentious. I will defend the concept of Blackpool to anyone.. Or Holt's Bitter. Or Dairy Milk. Earlier today, I stood up for Gregg's.
    But Tobys are unmitigable shit. They're so bad they go go past so bad they're good and out the other side to so bad tbey're fucking terrible. They're egregious. Even at £11 a head they're expensive, because what the experience is worth is zero. They're one of the few experiences you need have no qualms whatsoever about dodging.
    I don't agree.

    I have had many an enjoyable meal at Toby's. Maybe you've been to bad ones, but I've had good meals there.

    I don't go much anymore as I don't eat the carbs anymore so that rather defeats the point, but they're not a bad meal and they're quite affordable.

    Its unpretentious and enjoyable food, not fantastic, not miserable, just gloriously middle of the road. A decent roast dinner with freshly carved meat, no more, no less.
    But you go out to eat so as not to have to cook or wash up! So I take your view with a pinch of salt.

    And Middle of the Road implies there is something worse. And I am dubious about that too (though feel free to discuss the relative merits of Toby, Harvester and any other equivalents).
    I have had a lot of pub roast dinners since my father took ill and they range from bad to middle of the road, I have also had a lot of home cooked roast dinners over those years and frankly they also mostly range from bad to middle of the road. Now there are a few people that do a superb home roast dinner but I reckon less than 20%
    As an aside the first time I visited the family of my sons family, mother in law made a roast....she made the roast potato's by par boiling them then finishing them off in a deep fat frier like giant chips....I doubt even a toby can beat that one
    Many, many places selling “roast potatoes” start them in the deep fat drier. Quite a few cook them all the way.

    How many places, do you think, put a fresh batch in the oven, when you order, for 40 minutes+?
    Indeed I thought that was the standard way for pubs and restaurants.

    I cook myself a roast most Sundays, it's fairly easy you just have to get the timing right. I had roast poussin this weekend and nothing took more than 45 minutes. If I have roast pork I get all the crackling to myself!
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,744

    Morning all
    Bit of polling to start the day with YouGov - LDs will be pleased with a strong showing, but further sign everythimg fairly stable in that new post May 1 landscape. Obvs Refirm will want 30% as majorify very tough on any less

    YouGov / Sky / Times weekly voting intention

    RefUK 28%(-1)
    LAB 22%(+1)
    CON 18%(-1)
    LDEM 17%(+2)
    GRN 9%(-2)

    1/2 June 2025

    Last week's one was the outlier. There's been poll after poll showing Con/LD convergence and the slide of the Tories is now clear and unavoidable.
    Says a Lib Dem 🤔
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,128
    Chris said:

    IanB2 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    New theory: anywhere with heavy industry or mining has shit food, even now - or they have only recently recovered (Britain) - because for decades or even centuries the emphasis was on producing the quickest and heaviest calories for really hungry people with not much time and no room for discernment

    I know I'll get slated for this but...

    We're staying in a pub in Shropshire for a couple of nights next week, arriving Sunday - it's not the North, I know, but heading there.

    The only option for food when we arrive is their Sunday roast carvery. Locals rave about it on Tripadvisor - lots of photos of plates piled improbably high* with parsnips stacked like Jenga. The only negative comments are those whinging at the cost (£16.95). It may be very good but FFS please let there be other choices too. Please?

    Meanwhile, on Friday we ate at our local pub in Dorset: tronçon of turbot - excellent.

    Of course 'gastropubs' get the piss taken out of them but give me gastropub over a pile-it-high, old-style, traditional British fare pub any day.

    From our experience when living in the North, most pubs there follow the latter model.

    *For those who doubt the pile-it-high pics, take a look:

    image
    The reason ordinary people eat at Toby Carvery and not gastropubs is because they can afford the former and not the latter except on special occasions.
    But I’m not sure that’s true

    It’s true in London sure (not that London has Toby Carvery’s) but in the - *shudders* - provinces, is that true? I know gastropubs where you can eat well for £30 a head including a beer, or even two. Is that massively pricier than a Carvery?

    Massively.
    I retreat from the debate, entirely defeated

    I’ve never been in a Toby’s Carvery and even the siren call of research will not change this. I thank PB for saving me the struggle
    I am a champion of the unpretentious. I will defend the concept of Blackpool to anyone.. Or Holt's Bitter. Or Dairy Milk. Earlier today, I stood up for Gregg's.
    But Tobys are unmitigable shit. They're so bad they go go past so bad they're good and out the other side to so bad tbey're fucking terrible. They're egregious. Even at £11 a head they're expensive, because what the experience is worth is zero. They're one of the few experiences you need have no qualms whatsoever about dodging.
    lol

    I’ve often thought you should have a Ron Swanson type column in the daily mail

    A true Brit family man in the provinces, speaking his mind about real daily life. No posh wankery but no fake sentiment either. With a delicate hint of irony and the occasional blast of invective like this. It would genuinely be much better than 2/3 of what they publish. And better than 98% of the guardian
    To embroider my point, I actually think this is what the guardian TRIES to do with its weird Adrian Chiles column, which is generally and usually ultra dull but adds in the occasional emotional thing

    “Why I hate posh vinegar”

    “Blankets are underrated”

    “My dad died”

    Trouble is

    1. We all know he’s a tv presenter millionaire so the ordinary guy thing is ludicrous

    And

    2. Because of this he over-compensates on the weirdly ordinary side. “Sunlight can be annoying”

    The guardian should kick out Chiles and get @Cookie
    @Leon every time I see the Adrian Chiles column I try and read it, and re-read it in the hope that I discover what I have been missing in it. Is there some truly Alan Bennett type genius lurking in the dullness? Is it actually brilliant prose?

    What am I missing as to why this incredibly dull man gets a paid for weekly column in a national newspaper spouting about tedious crap?

    And then a little voice in my mind reminds me that his partner is Katharine Viner, editor of the, er, Guardian.
    I am afraid that my irony meter just exploded. @Leon slagging off a hack for being tedious, trivial and formulaic was far more than it could take.

    Leon may be all manner of things, but never quite so dull as Chiles.
    There's a difference between tedious and dull
    Well, I do think /the people who have nothing better to do than play "Leon's" games must have incredibly dull lives.
    Chiles is the "summiting K2" of Guardian nepotism, there were always the intern children, one using their mother's surname, but Chiles is Viner's triumphant signal that she rules the Guardian and can give column space to a dull non-writer because he's her partner. It is symbolic of her editorship's rejection of journalistic and cartooning talent in favour of listicles, tedious repetitive comment and late-midddle-aged limp porn.
    Chiles is the reason that no one should subscribe to the Guardian and use ad-blockers whenever they surf it.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,341
    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    New theory: anywhere with heavy industry or mining has shit food, even now - or they have only recently recovered (Britain) - because for decades or even centuries the emphasis was on producing the quickest and heaviest calories for really hungry people with not much time and no room for discernment

    I know I'll get slated for this but...

    We're staying in a pub in Shropshire for a couple of nights next week, arriving Sunday - it's not the North, I know, but heading there.

    The only option for food when we arrive is their Sunday roast carvery. Locals rave about it on Tripadvisor - lots of photos of plates piled improbably high* with parsnips stacked like Jenga. The only negative comments are those whinging at the cost (£16.95). It may be very good but FFS please let there be other choices too. Please?

    Meanwhile, on Friday we ate at our local pub in Dorset: tronçon of turbot - excellent.

    Of course 'gastropubs' get the piss taken out of them but give me gastropub over a pile-it-high, old-style, traditional British fare pub any day.

    From our experience when living in the North, most pubs there follow the latter model.

    *For those who doubt the pile-it-high pics, take a look:

    image
    The reason ordinary people eat at Toby Carvery and not gastropubs is because they can afford the former and not the latter except on special occasions.
    But I’m not sure that’s true

    It’s true in London sure (not that London has Toby Carvery’s) but in the - *shudders* - provinces, is that true? I know gastropubs where you can eat well for £30 a head including a beer, or even two. Is that massively pricier than a Carvery?

    Toby Carvery is £11, all you can eat. Well, all you can eat vegetables. The meat is doled out.
    I get the price is attractive, but I've never understood the popularity of bad pub roast dinners. Tobys are awful, but it's not just Tobys; it's actually quite rare to get a better roast dinner in a pub than you could do at home. And surely getting something better than you could do yourself is part of the point of eating out?
    I had a roast dinner in a pub yesterday and it was awful, as they usually are. My missus’s are the best, but it was her birthday so could hardly expect her to cook!

    The only decent roast I’ve had in Essex is at The Bear in Stock.
    I know that pub, not been there for ages though.

    Also sounds a bit like an exotic roast, 'bear in stock' :lol:
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