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  • isamisam Posts: 41,960
    John Rentoul isn’t happy with Sadiq Khan branding Robert Jenrick ‘Mr Ozempic’

    Responding to legitimate & indirect criticism with personal insult is low

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1929554758815175001?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,939
    Friends weddings is a curious one. A chore rather than something to look forward to. Especially if they've spent a fortune on tragic stuff.
    I'm quite a solitary guy, is it obvious??
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,609
    edited June 2

    Leon said:

    My company has just sent an internal memo around that's utterly scathing of the UK-EU defence pact.

    It says it's celebrated by the Government as a triumph but a closer examination of its provisions reveals troubling compromises that may undermine
    British sovereignty and military autonomy while offering only marginal economic benefits.

    Remember the Golden Rule of Starmer-Reeves, everything this Labour government does - sooner or later it turns out to be damaging for the UK

    EVERY. SINGLE. THING
    Key points:

    1) Agreement’s provisions represent a shift toward reintegration with EU military structures, bypassing parliament. While HMG touts access to the EU’s €8 billion European Defence Fund (EDF) as a win, enabling UK firms like BAE Systems to bid for collaborative projects in drone tech and cybersecurity, the fine print reveals heavy constraints. British companies must partner with EU-led consortia, often as juniors, with 60% of project work required to occur in EU states, limiting UK roles to niche tasks. Worse, Britain gains no voting rights in the European Defence Agency (EDA), locking it into a “rule-taker” status reminiscent of Norway’s associate membership.

    2) Agreement prioritises EU defence coordination mechanisms, potentially constraining Britain’s freedom to leverage global partnerships. By aligning with the EDA, the UK risks gradual entanglement in EU regulatory frameworks for AI and emissions standards. These standards are set without British input, which could erode autonomy in emerging technologies like hypersonic weapons. Britain has traded long-term strategic flexibility for short-term export gains estimated at a modest £150–200 million annually.

    3) While HMG highlights EDF access as a lifeline for SMEs, the reality is participation risks tech transfer demands, where EU partners may require sharing proprietary UK intellectual property. Certification alignment, though streamlining exports for firms, tacitly surrenders regulatory autonomy. The defence industrial collaboration appears one-sided: British firms gain limited project slots but must adhere to EU procurement rules, stifling innovation and relegating them to peripheral roles in flagship initiatives like FCAS.

    4) Agreement emphasises cooperation with EU structures like PESCO,
    creating overlap with NATO without concrete safeguards. Critics argue tailored bilateral deals with France or Germany could have delivered similar benefits without institutional entanglements. Instead, the UK faces a paradox: modest commercial opportunities offset by gradual absorption into Europe’s regulatory orbit, diminishing its independence.

    Conclusion: a series of concessions - while deeper security cooperation has merit, this prioritises short term diplomacy over long term strategy. The EDF’s limited revenue streams pale against the risks of sovereignty erosion and regulatory subordination. For a nation that once championed “Global Britain,” this feels less like a rebirth and more like a retreat into Europe’s shadow.
    This is what we like to see. I've read some boring posts on PB before but none quite as meaningless as this. Wall-to-wall waffle!

    A new Pseuds Corner is born!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,432
    WHY IS GERMAN FOOD SO TERRIBLE

    Also, Holland. And eastern France. It’s shit
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,919

    Taz said:

    I’m not usually a fan of parody accounts on social media. I’d rather watch Famileigh tik toks. These accounts are Usually run by morons like that cat one but this tweet is a blinder. So many people falling for it. RAF plane to be painted in pride colours 😂😂😂

    https://x.com/raf_luton/status/1929119254634274883?s=61

    DISGUSTING
    lol at the guy who didn't think it was an F35.

    On that, Belgium (pop 12m)...
    According to De Morgen Belgium is planning several large defence investments. Here are the highlights.

    - 21 additional F-35As for a total fleet size of 55 (to be assembled in Italy)
    - 2 additional MQ-9B SkyGuardian for a total fleet of 6 (Will be armed)
    - 1 additional ASW frigate for a total of 3
    - 10 NASAMS Batteries with 4 launchers each

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,495

    Leon said:

    It’s so brilliantly mad and fitting that Labour people are “looking forward to Pride marches” more than anything else, this summer

    Who thinks like that? Seriously? Anyone?

    They have become a weird creepy cult of “progressives” - utterly divorced from the mainstream of the UK

    And they like cold water swimming
    Thing is, being in power with a big majority until 2029, with right wingers all foaming and frustrated, is quite a thrill. Too much of a thrill sometimes, if you know what I mean. A cold splash every so often sorts this out.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,939
    edited June 2
    isam said:

    John Rentoul isn’t happy with Sadiq Khan branding Robert Jenrick ‘Mr Ozempic’

    Responding to legitimate & indirect criticism with personal insult is low

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1929554758815175001?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Rentoul is very anti any sort of low blow, he hates anyone using 'liar'
    I have to say, Oi Fatty is a bit pathetic even by Khan's standard
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,432
    It’s like an earthquake of terrible food happened somewhere around stuttgart in 1905 and everywhere nearby suffers terribly, a devastation of smoked meats, flavourless gunk and stodgy carbs, but the further away you go - north east west south - slowly it improves - until the damage from the great stuttgart horrible food Tunguska incident is only barely perceptible in, say, Grenoble
  • eekeek Posts: 30,187

    Staying in London, I often go for the Doubletree in Ealing. Much nicer than a Travelodge in the city centre for similar money ("within policy") and with the Liz Line taking you to where you need to be.

    Ealing also being my former home patch, so I'm a sort of local.

    Likewise me at the Spark by Hilton in Romford - that’s stupidly cheap but the rooms are tiny and the food dire.

    Staff are good, lounge / bar perfectly fine and the beer is £5 a pint so I’m not complaining
  • Roger said:

    Leon said:

    My company has just sent an internal memo around that's utterly scathing of the UK-EU defence pact.

    It says it's celebrated by the Government as a triumph but a closer examination of its provisions reveals troubling compromises that may undermine
    British sovereignty and military autonomy while offering only marginal economic benefits.

    Remember the Golden Rule of Starmer-Reeves, everything this Labour government does - sooner or later it turns out to be damaging for the UK

    EVERY. SINGLE. THING
    Key points:

    1) Agreement’s provisions represent a shift toward reintegration with EU military structures, bypassing parliament. While HMG touts access to the EU’s €8 billion European Defence Fund (EDF) as a win, enabling UK firms like BAE Systems to bid for collaborative projects in drone tech and cybersecurity, the fine print reveals heavy constraints. British companies must partner with EU-led consortia, often as juniors, with 60% of project work required to occur in EU states, limiting UK roles to niche tasks. Worse, Britain gains no voting rights in the European Defence Agency (EDA), locking it into a “rule-taker” status reminiscent of Norway’s associate membership.

    2) Agreement prioritises EU defence coordination mechanisms, potentially constraining Britain’s freedom to leverage global partnerships. By aligning with the EDA, the UK risks gradual entanglement in EU regulatory frameworks for AI and emissions standards. These standards are set without British input, which could erode autonomy in emerging technologies like hypersonic weapons. Britain has traded long-term strategic flexibility for short-term export gains estimated at a modest £150–200 million annually.

    3) While HMG highlights EDF access as a lifeline for SMEs, the reality is participation risks tech transfer demands, where EU partners may require sharing proprietary UK intellectual property. Certification alignment, though streamlining exports for firms, tacitly surrenders regulatory autonomy. The defence industrial collaboration appears one-sided: British firms gain limited project slots but must adhere to EU procurement rules, stifling innovation and relegating them to peripheral roles in flagship initiatives like FCAS.

    4) Agreement emphasises cooperation with EU structures like PESCO,
    creating overlap with NATO without concrete safeguards. Critics argue tailored bilateral deals with France or Germany could have delivered similar benefits without institutional entanglements. Instead, the UK faces a paradox: modest commercial opportunities offset by gradual absorption into Europe’s regulatory orbit, diminishing its independence.

    Conclusion: a series of concessions - while deeper security cooperation has merit, this prioritises short term diplomacy over long term strategy. The EDF’s limited revenue streams pale against the risks of sovereignty erosion and regulatory subordination. For a nation that once championed “Global Britain,” this feels less like a rebirth and more like a retreat into Europe’s shadow.
    This is what we like to see. I've read some boring posts on PB before but none quite as meaningless as this. Wall-to-wall waffle!

    A new Pseuds Corner is born!
    I now see what someone earlier meant about some posters being perpetually wrong.

    Casino's post is about as far from meaningless and waffle as you can get. If you didn't understand it, well, that's a different issue...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,432
    Roger said:

    Leon said:

    My company has just sent an internal memo around that's utterly scathing of the UK-EU defence pact.

    It says it's celebrated by the Government as a triumph but a closer examination of its provisions reveals troubling compromises that may undermine
    British sovereignty and military autonomy while offering only marginal economic benefits.

    Remember the Golden Rule of Starmer-Reeves, everything this Labour government does - sooner or later it turns out to be damaging for the UK

    EVERY. SINGLE. THING
    Key points:

    1) Agreement’s provisions represent a shift toward reintegration with EU military structures, bypassing parliament. While HMG touts access to the EU’s €8 billion European Defence Fund (EDF) as a win, enabling UK firms like BAE Systems to bid for collaborative projects in drone tech and cybersecurity, the fine print reveals heavy constraints. British companies must partner with EU-led consortia, often as juniors, with 60% of project work required to occur in EU states, limiting UK roles to niche tasks. Worse, Britain gains no voting rights in the European Defence Agency (EDA), locking it into a “rule-taker” status reminiscent of Norway’s associate membership.

    2) Agreement prioritises EU defence coordination mechanisms, potentially constraining Britain’s freedom to leverage global partnerships. By aligning with the EDA, the UK risks gradual entanglement in EU regulatory frameworks for AI and emissions standards. These standards are set without British input, which could erode autonomy in emerging technologies like hypersonic weapons. Britain has traded long-term strategic flexibility for short-term export gains estimated at a modest £150–200 million annually.

    3) While HMG highlights EDF access as a lifeline for SMEs, the reality is participation risks tech transfer demands, where EU partners may require sharing proprietary UK intellectual property. Certification alignment, though streamlining exports for firms, tacitly surrenders regulatory autonomy. The defence industrial collaboration appears one-sided: British firms gain limited project slots but must adhere to EU procurement rules, stifling innovation and relegating them to peripheral roles in flagship initiatives like FCAS.

    4) Agreement emphasises cooperation with EU structures like PESCO,
    creating overlap with NATO without concrete safeguards. Critics argue tailored bilateral deals with France or Germany could have delivered similar benefits without institutional entanglements. Instead, the UK faces a paradox: modest commercial opportunities offset by gradual absorption into Europe’s regulatory orbit, diminishing its independence.

    Conclusion: a series of concessions - while deeper security cooperation has merit, this prioritises short term diplomacy over long term strategy. The EDF’s limited revenue streams pale against the risks of sovereignty erosion and regulatory subordination. For a nation that once championed “Global Britain,” this feels less like a rebirth and more like a retreat into Europe’s shadow.
    This is what we like to see. I've read some boring posts on PB before but none quite as meaningless as this. Wall-to-wall waffle!

    A new Pseuds Corner is born!
    Shut up, Roger
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,726
    Team Trump on tariffs

    Countries to make best offer by Wednesday to avoid reinstatement of tariffs.

    Deals in place by July 8th.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1929603564730564838?s=61
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,058

    AnneJGP said:

    Stereodog said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    'Having a BBQ',
    Lol, reach for the fucking stars

    Simple pleasures of life. I love this time of year. Sitting outside, in the evening light at 9.00 pm. NINE PM! A cool glass of something in hand and taking in the roses first flush. Life is not all about thrill seeking.
    I agree with that. I love picnics - possibly my favourite thing about summer. Is that sad?

    No it’s simple. Fresh air, countryside, beautiful views, good friends and good chat, a nice glass of cold Mullerthal Pinot Blanc with dreamy creamy grassy Brie de meaux on fresh Borough sourdough


    That's just in your imagination. Picnics are never like that in reality. You haven't been on one for years, if at all.

    Where picnics do work, however, is at (sporting, social) events where the picnicking is curated (eg Glyndebourne, No.1 Car Park at the Royal Meeting, or a point to point).

    Then they are just marvellous. And some of the best such picnics I have had have been in the driving sleet and freezing cold with everyone clutching their glasses of whisky and the rosé still in the car untouched.
    They still get plagued by wasps.

    Or worse, some idiot who goes insane in the company of a wasp - and insists on swatting it into my face.
    The wasp averse (that don't have medical issues with them) are a comical lot - hysterical overreacters
    Could be childhood trauma. I'm swan adverse after being attacked by one whilst strapped in my pushchair. My completely loving parents had a terrible record of being somewhere else when bad things happened. They once lost me during an earthquake in Crete as they were sampling the delights of the hotel buffet when it hit.
    Being attacked by a Swan is a bit more serious than a wasp sting though. But trauma would, I guess, constitute a medical issue rather than just being a massive wasp cry baby
    A wasp sting on your tongue is quite a big deal.

    Don't eat them? Or at very least don't shriek and flap and give them access to your tongue
    Happened to me at scout camp seventy years ago. The wasp was as keen on the Tizer (anyone?) as I was ...

  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,664
    Taz said:

    Political colossus Jacinda Ardern interviewed by two fawning centrists.

    The Rest is Politics.

    Enjoy, the many fans of here we have here.

    https://x.com/restispolitics/status/1929518998288240902?s=61

    What could you of all people, one of this site's greatest centrists, have against the wonderful Jacinda?

    She has a book coming out - I'm sure you'll be purchasing...
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,231
    Taz said:

    Team Trump on tariffs

    Countries to make best offer by Wednesday to avoid reinstatement of tariffs.

    Deals in place by July 8th.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1929603564730564838?s=61


    Deals by Wednesday, followed by Taco Thursday or preceded by Taco Tuesday? 🌮
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,939
    geoffw said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Stereodog said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    'Having a BBQ',
    Lol, reach for the fucking stars

    Simple pleasures of life. I love this time of year. Sitting outside, in the evening light at 9.00 pm. NINE PM! A cool glass of something in hand and taking in the roses first flush. Life is not all about thrill seeking.
    I agree with that. I love picnics - possibly my favourite thing about summer. Is that sad?

    No it’s simple. Fresh air, countryside, beautiful views, good friends and good chat, a nice glass of cold Mullerthal Pinot Blanc with dreamy creamy grassy Brie de meaux on fresh Borough sourdough


    That's just in your imagination. Picnics are never like that in reality. You haven't been on one for years, if at all.

    Where picnics do work, however, is at (sporting, social) events where the picnicking is curated (eg Glyndebourne, No.1 Car Park at the Royal Meeting, or a point to point).

    Then they are just marvellous. And some of the best such picnics I have had have been in the driving sleet and freezing cold with everyone clutching their glasses of whisky and the rosé still in the car untouched.
    They still get plagued by wasps.

    Or worse, some idiot who goes insane in the company of a wasp - and insists on swatting it into my face.
    The wasp averse (that don't have medical issues with them) are a comical lot - hysterical overreacters
    Could be childhood trauma. I'm swan adverse after being attacked by one whilst strapped in my pushchair. My completely loving parents had a terrible record of being somewhere else when bad things happened. They once lost me during an earthquake in Crete as they were sampling the delights of the hotel buffet when it hit.
    Being attacked by a Swan is a bit more serious than a wasp sting though. But trauma would, I guess, constitute a medical issue rather than just being a massive wasp cry baby
    A wasp sting on your tongue is quite a big deal.

    Don't eat them? Or at very least don't shriek and flap and give them access to your tongue
    Happened to me at scout camp seventy years ago. The wasp was as keen on the Tizer (anyone?) as I was ...

    Tizer! Nom nom nom 70 years ago? I'd have sworn Tizer was a 70s and 80s thing
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,432
    New theory: anywhere with heavy industry or mining has shit food, even now - or they have only recently recovered (Britain) - because for decades or even centuries the emphasis was on producing the quickest and heaviest calories for really hungry people with not much time and no room for discernment


  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,919

    Leon said:

    My company has just sent an internal memo around that's utterly scathing of the UK-EU defence pact.

    It says it's celebrated by the Government as a triumph but a closer examination of its provisions reveals troubling compromises that may undermine
    British sovereignty and military autonomy while offering only marginal economic benefits.

    Remember the Golden Rule of Starmer-Reeves, everything this Labour government does - sooner or later it turns out to be damaging for the UK

    EVERY. SINGLE. THING
    Key points:

    1) Agreement’s provisions represent a shift toward reintegration with EU military structures, bypassing parliament. While HMG touts access to the EU’s €8 billion European Defence Fund (EDF) as a win, enabling UK firms like BAE Systems to bid for collaborative projects in drone tech and cybersecurity, the fine print reveals heavy constraints. British companies must partner with EU-led consortia, often as juniors, with 60% of project work required to occur in EU states, limiting UK roles to niche tasks. Worse, Britain gains no voting rights in the European Defence Agency (EDA), locking it into a “rule-taker” status reminiscent of Norway’s associate membership.

    2) Agreement prioritises EU defence coordination mechanisms, potentially constraining Britain’s freedom to leverage global partnerships. By aligning with the EDA, the UK risks gradual entanglement in EU regulatory frameworks for AI and emissions standards. These standards are set without British input, which could erode autonomy in emerging technologies like hypersonic weapons. Britain has traded long-term strategic flexibility for short-term export gains estimated at a modest £150–200 million annually.

    3) While HMG highlights EDF access as a lifeline for SMEs, the reality is participation risks tech transfer demands, where EU partners may require sharing proprietary UK intellectual property. Certification alignment, though streamlining exports for firms, tacitly surrenders regulatory autonomy. The defence industrial collaboration appears one-sided: British firms gain limited project slots but must adhere to EU procurement rules, stifling innovation and relegating them to peripheral roles in flagship initiatives like FCAS.

    4) Agreement emphasises cooperation with EU structures like PESCO,
    creating overlap with NATO without concrete safeguards. Critics argue tailored bilateral deals with France or Germany could have delivered similar benefits without institutional entanglements. Instead, the UK faces a paradox: modest commercial opportunities offset by gradual absorption into Europe’s regulatory orbit, diminishing its independence.

    Conclusion: a series of concessions - while deeper security cooperation has merit, this prioritises short term diplomacy over long term strategy. The EDF’s limited revenue streams pale against the risks of sovereignty erosion and regulatory subordination. For a nation that once championed “Global Britain,” this feels less like a rebirth and more like a retreat into Europe’s shadow.
    Another Brexit benefit. Of course.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,939
    Leon said:

    New theory: anywhere with heavy industry or mining has shit food, even now - or they have only recently recovered (Britain) - because for decades or even centuries the emphasis was on producing the quickest and heaviest calories for really hungry people with not much time and no room for discernment


    The suet puddings that forged an empire
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,058

    geoffw said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Stereodog said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    'Having a BBQ',
    Lol, reach for the fucking stars

    Simple pleasures of life. I love this time of year. Sitting outside, in the evening light at 9.00 pm. NINE PM! A cool glass of something in hand and taking in the roses first flush. Life is not all about thrill seeking.
    I agree with that. I love picnics - possibly my favourite thing about summer. Is that sad?

    No it’s simple. Fresh air, countryside, beautiful views, good friends and good chat, a nice glass of cold Mullerthal Pinot Blanc with dreamy creamy grassy Brie de meaux on fresh Borough sourdough


    That's just in your imagination. Picnics are never like that in reality. You haven't been on one for years, if at all.

    Where picnics do work, however, is at (sporting, social) events where the picnicking is curated (eg Glyndebourne, No.1 Car Park at the Royal Meeting, or a point to point).

    Then they are just marvellous. And some of the best such picnics I have had have been in the driving sleet and freezing cold with everyone clutching their glasses of whisky and the rosé still in the car untouched.
    They still get plagued by wasps.

    Or worse, some idiot who goes insane in the company of a wasp - and insists on swatting it into my face.
    The wasp averse (that don't have medical issues with them) are a comical lot - hysterical overreacters
    Could be childhood trauma. I'm swan adverse after being attacked by one whilst strapped in my pushchair. My completely loving parents had a terrible record of being somewhere else when bad things happened. They once lost me during an earthquake in Crete as they were sampling the delights of the hotel buffet when it hit.
    Being attacked by a Swan is a bit more serious than a wasp sting though. But trauma would, I guess, constitute a medical issue rather than just being a massive wasp cry baby
    A wasp sting on your tongue is quite a big deal.

    Don't eat them? Or at very least don't shriek and flap and give them access to your tongue
    Happened to me at scout camp seventy years ago. The wasp was as keen on the Tizer (anyone?) as I was ...

    Tizer! Nom nom nom 70 years ago? I'd have sworn Tizer was a 70s and 80s thing
    That's cos you're a 60s thing if I'm not mistaken

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,939
    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Stereodog said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    'Having a BBQ',
    Lol, reach for the fucking stars

    Simple pleasures of life. I love this time of year. Sitting outside, in the evening light at 9.00 pm. NINE PM! A cool glass of something in hand and taking in the roses first flush. Life is not all about thrill seeking.
    I agree with that. I love picnics - possibly my favourite thing about summer. Is that sad?

    No it’s simple. Fresh air, countryside, beautiful views, good friends and good chat, a nice glass of cold Mullerthal Pinot Blanc with dreamy creamy grassy Brie de meaux on fresh Borough sourdough


    That's just in your imagination. Picnics are never like that in reality. You haven't been on one for years, if at all.

    Where picnics do work, however, is at (sporting, social) events where the picnicking is curated (eg Glyndebourne, No.1 Car Park at the Royal Meeting, or a point to point).

    Then they are just marvellous. And some of the best such picnics I have had have been in the driving sleet and freezing cold with everyone clutching their glasses of whisky and the rosé still in the car untouched.
    They still get plagued by wasps.

    Or worse, some idiot who goes insane in the company of a wasp - and insists on swatting it into my face.
    The wasp averse (that don't have medical issues with them) are a comical lot - hysterical overreacters
    Could be childhood trauma. I'm swan adverse after being attacked by one whilst strapped in my pushchair. My completely loving parents had a terrible record of being somewhere else when bad things happened. They once lost me during an earthquake in Crete as they were sampling the delights of the hotel buffet when it hit.
    Being attacked by a Swan is a bit more serious than a wasp sting though. But trauma would, I guess, constitute a medical issue rather than just being a massive wasp cry baby
    A wasp sting on your tongue is quite a big deal.

    Don't eat them? Or at very least don't shriek and flap and give them access to your tongue
    Happened to me at scout camp seventy years ago. The wasp was as keen on the Tizer (anyone?) as I was ...

    Tizer! Nom nom nom 70 years ago? I'd have sworn Tizer was a 70s and 80s thing
    That's cos you're a 60s thing if I'm not mistaken

    70s (just)
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,741
    Leon said:

    It’s like an earthquake of terrible food happened somewhere around stuttgart in 1905 and everywhere nearby suffers terribly, a devastation of smoked meats, flavourless gunk and stodgy carbs, but the further away you go - north east west south - slowly it improves - until the damage from the great stuttgart horrible food Tunguska incident is only barely perceptible in, say, Grenoble

    Something I noticed last year in Düsseldorf, Kõln and Hamburg that wherever you go the food is very samey and similar to the last time I was in Germany (Saxony, and before that, Franconia). They seem to have hoovered up all the standard restaurant dishes and made it into a sort of national cuisine, rather than regional as it used to be. And thus dumbing it down.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,108
    ...
    isam said:

    John Rentoul isn’t happy with Sadiq Khan branding Robert Jenrick ‘Mr Ozempic’

    Responding to legitimate & indirect criticism with personal insult is low

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1929554758815175001?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    I agree with Rentoul.

    Although there is not a politician in the UK who garners such personally unpleasant slurs as Khan. But that should be no excuse.

    It is far better to call Jenrick out for his previous unacceptable behaviour. The Desmond outrage would be a far more effective criticism of Jenrick. Shout that out from the rooftops.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,919

    With regards to Starmer saying Lets Build Bombs, doesn't the Drone Squad attack on Russian strategic bombers change the face of warfare at a fundamental level?

    It already had.
    This was just a consequence.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,726
    edited June 2

    geoffw said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Stereodog said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    'Having a BBQ',
    Lol, reach for the fucking stars

    Simple pleasures of life. I love this time of year. Sitting outside, in the evening light at 9.00 pm. NINE PM! A cool glass of something in hand and taking in the roses first flush. Life is not all about thrill seeking.
    I agree with that. I love picnics - possibly my favourite thing about summer. Is that sad?

    No it’s simple. Fresh air, countryside, beautiful views, good friends and good chat, a nice glass of cold Mullerthal Pinot Blanc with dreamy creamy grassy Brie de meaux on fresh Borough sourdough


    That's just in your imagination. Picnics are never like that in reality. You haven't been on one for years, if at all.

    Where picnics do work, however, is at (sporting, social) events where the picnicking is curated (eg Glyndebourne, No.1 Car Park at the Royal Meeting, or a point to point).

    Then they are just marvellous. And some of the best such picnics I have had have been in the driving sleet and freezing cold with everyone clutching their glasses of whisky and the rosé still in the car untouched.
    They still get plagued by wasps.

    Or worse, some idiot who goes insane in the company of a wasp - and insists on swatting it into my face.
    The wasp averse (that don't have medical issues with them) are a comical lot - hysterical overreacters
    Could be childhood trauma. I'm swan adverse after being attacked by one whilst strapped in my pushchair. My completely loving parents had a terrible record of being somewhere else when bad things happened. They once lost me during an earthquake in Crete as they were sampling the delights of the hotel buffet when it hit.
    Being attacked by a Swan is a bit more serious than a wasp sting though. But trauma would, I guess, constitute a medical issue rather than just being a massive wasp cry baby
    A wasp sting on your tongue is quite a big deal.

    Don't eat them? Or at very least don't shriek and flap and give them access to your tongue
    Happened to me at scout camp seventy years ago. The wasp was as keen on the Tizer (anyone?) as I was ...

    Tizer! Nom nom nom 70 years ago? I'd have sworn Tizer was a 70s and 80s thing
    As in ‘we can tell it’s Tizer when our eyes are shut’
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,231
    Leon said:

    WHY IS GERMAN FOOD SO TERRIBLE

    Also, Holland. And eastern France. It’s shit

    Also why is it called a hamburger when its not made from ham? ;)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,816
    Looking at the graphs, it does need a bit of baselining to current polling in order to make sense of.

    I suspect that if age corrected too there would be no real differences. Pretty much everyone enjoys most of the activities fairly equally. Obviously not vegans at BBQs or Muslims down the pub, but not much in it otherwise.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,108
    Leon said:

    New theory: anywhere with heavy industry or mining has shit food, even now - or they have only recently recovered (Britain) - because for decades or even centuries the emphasis was on producing the quickest and heaviest calories for really hungry people with not much time and no room for discernment


    France? Italy? Japan?
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,392

    Leon said:

    WHY IS GERMAN FOOD SO TERRIBLE

    Also, Holland. And eastern France. It’s shit

    Also why is it called a hamburger when its not made from ham? ;)
    They don't call them that in Beefburg
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,432
    geoffw said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Stereodog said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    'Having a BBQ',
    Lol, reach for the fucking stars

    Simple pleasures of life. I love this time of year. Sitting outside, in the evening light at 9.00 pm. NINE PM! A cool glass of something in hand and taking in the roses first flush. Life is not all about thrill seeking.
    I agree with that. I love picnics - possibly my favourite thing about summer. Is that sad?

    No it’s simple. Fresh air, countryside, beautiful views, good friends and good chat, a nice glass of cold Mullerthal Pinot Blanc with dreamy creamy grassy Brie de meaux on fresh Borough sourdough


    That's just in your imagination. Picnics are never like that in reality. You haven't been on one for years, if at all.

    Where picnics do work, however, is at (sporting, social) events where the picnicking is curated (eg Glyndebourne, No.1 Car Park at the Royal Meeting, or a point to point).

    Then they are just marvellous. And some of the best such picnics I have had have been in the driving sleet and freezing cold with everyone clutching their glasses of whisky and the rosé still in the car untouched.
    They still get plagued by wasps.

    Or worse, some idiot who goes insane in the company of a wasp - and insists on swatting it into my face.
    The wasp averse (that don't have medical issues with them) are a comical lot - hysterical overreacters
    Could be childhood trauma. I'm swan adverse after being attacked by one whilst strapped in my pushchair. My completely loving parents had a terrible record of being somewhere else when bad things happened. They once lost me during an earthquake in Crete as they were sampling the delights of the hotel buffet when it hit.
    Being attacked by a Swan is a bit more serious than a wasp sting though. But trauma would, I guess, constitute a medical issue rather than just being a massive wasp cry baby
    A wasp sting on your tongue is quite a big deal.

    Don't eat them? Or at very least don't shriek and flap and give them access to your tongue
    Happened to me at scout camp seventy years ago. The wasp was as keen on the Tizer (anyone?) as I was ...

    Are we past the lagershed?

    I have a story. A few years ago when I was on assignment in kefalonia with my then wife (the 22 year old beautiful corbynite) the local tourist authority gave us a magnificent villa all to ourselves with stupendous views

    This made me all excited (anything free makes me excited) also my wife was really hot and liked to sunbathe naked

    Nature took its course so I grabbed her by the pool and threw her on the outdoor table on the terrace and ravished her there and then

    She seemed to be in ecstasy - moaning wordlessly - so when I was done I slumped onto a chair feeling masculine and virile and highly skilled in the arts of outdoor love

    A few glasses of assyrtiko later she revealed that no, she wasn’t in ecstasy, she was in deep pain because she was being stung by so many wasps

    Shocked, I asked her why the f she didn’t tell me to stop. She said “well you seemed to be enjoying yourself so much” (she was quite sub)

    Even now she refers to it as the Wasp Rape Incident
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,985

    isam said:

    John Rentoul isn’t happy with Sadiq Khan branding Robert Jenrick ‘Mr Ozempic’

    Responding to legitimate & indirect criticism with personal insult is low

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1929554758815175001?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Rentoul is very anti any sort of low blow, he hates anyone using 'liar'
    I have to say, Oi Fatty is a bit pathetic even by Khan's standard
    Speaking to Times Radio on Monday, the London mayor said: “What I find ironic, and it’s an example of the chutzpah of Mr Ozempic, is that he was in government when the government cut more than a billion pounds from their police budget.

    “He was in government when the government removed Transport for London’s [TfL] operating grant, and now he’s criticising the consequences of the cuts in policing and TfL made by his government.

    “What was he in 2010, 2024 when those cuts were being made in our policing? Where was he in 2015 when the government cut their operating grant to TfL?”

    Jenrick has been in parliament since 2014, when he was first elected to be the MP for Newark.

    He was a minister under Theresa May, Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak.

    Khan said that while “fare evasion is an issue” – and has been for some time – he has overseen investment in enforcement officers, body-worn videos, CCTV and in the police.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/khan-dubs-jenrick-mr-ozempic-in-spat-over-tube-fare-dodgers_uk_683d9707e4b095a13840fbd4
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,432

    Leon said:

    New theory: anywhere with heavy industry or mining has shit food, even now - or they have only recently recovered (Britain) - because for decades or even centuries the emphasis was on producing the quickest and heaviest calories for really hungry people with not much time and no room for discernment


    France? Italy? Japan?
    Eastern France: shit food. Industrial Italy - the worst food in the country. Japan - a total exception, as it always is
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,726

    Taz said:

    Team Trump on tariffs

    Countries to make best offer by Wednesday to avoid reinstatement of tariffs.

    Deals in place by July 8th.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1929603564730564838?s=61


    Deals by Wednesday, followed by Taco Thursday or preceded by Taco Tuesday? 🌮
    Let’s see what the Bond market says.

    Meanwhile tariffs have shrunk the trade deficit.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1929604678838591838?s=61
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,919
    Leon said:

    New theory: anywhere with heavy industry or mining has shit food, even now - or they have only recently recovered (Britain) - because for decades or even centuries the emphasis was on producing the quickest and heaviest calories for really hungry people with not much time and no room for discernment


    Düsseldorf used to have truly exceptional pizza.
    That was forty years ago, so no idea if that's still the case.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,816
    edited June 2
    Roger said:

    Leon said:

    My company has just sent an internal memo around that's utterly scathing of the UK-EU defence pact.

    It says it's celebrated by the Government as a triumph but a closer examination of its provisions reveals troubling compromises that may undermine
    British sovereignty and military autonomy while offering only marginal economic benefits.

    Remember the Golden Rule of Starmer-Reeves, everything this Labour government does - sooner or later it turns out to be damaging for the UK

    EVERY. SINGLE. THING
    Key points:

    1) Agreement’s provisions represent a shift toward reintegration with EU military structures, bypassing parliament. While HMG touts access to the EU’s €8 billion European Defence Fund (EDF) as a win, enabling UK firms like BAE Systems to bid for collaborative projects in drone tech and cybersecurity, the fine print reveals heavy constraints. British companies must partner with EU-led consortia, often as juniors, with 60% of project work required to occur in EU states, limiting UK roles to niche tasks. Worse, Britain gains no voting rights in the European Defence Agency (EDA), locking it into a “rule-taker” status reminiscent of Norway’s associate membership.

    2) Agreement prioritises EU defence coordination mechanisms, potentially constraining Britain’s freedom to leverage global partnerships. By aligning with the EDA, the UK risks gradual entanglement in EU regulatory frameworks for AI and emissions standards. These standards are set without British input, which could erode autonomy in emerging technologies like hypersonic weapons. Britain has traded long-term strategic flexibility for short-term export gains estimated at a modest £150–200 million annually.

    3) While HMG highlights EDF access as a lifeline for SMEs, the reality is participation risks tech transfer demands, where EU partners may require sharing proprietary UK intellectual property. Certification alignment, though streamlining exports for firms, tacitly surrenders regulatory autonomy. The defence industrial collaboration appears one-sided: British firms gain limited project slots but must adhere to EU procurement rules, stifling innovation and relegating them to peripheral roles in flagship initiatives like FCAS.

    4) Agreement emphasises cooperation with EU structures like PESCO,
    creating overlap with NATO without concrete safeguards. Critics argue tailored bilateral deals with France or Germany could have delivered similar benefits without institutional entanglements. Instead, the UK faces a paradox: modest commercial opportunities offset by gradual absorption into Europe’s regulatory orbit, diminishing its independence.

    Conclusion: a series of concessions - while deeper security cooperation has merit, this prioritises short term diplomacy over long term strategy. The EDF’s limited revenue streams pale against the risks of sovereignty erosion and regulatory subordination. For a nation that once championed “Global Britain,” this feels less like a rebirth and more like a retreat into Europe’s shadow.
    This is what we like to see. I've read some boring posts on PB before but none quite as meaningless as this. Wall-to-wall waffle!

    A new Pseuds Corner is born!
    It's better than a lot of the drivel here posted from alt right conspiracy twitter. At least there is some facts cited.

    Time to tune out of PB for a bit and enjoy some long summer evenings in the garden.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,376
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    New theory: anywhere with heavy industry or mining has shit food, even now - or they have only recently recovered (Britain) - because for decades or even centuries the emphasis was on producing the quickest and heaviest calories for really hungry people with not much time and no room for discernment


    France? Italy? Japan?
    Eastern France: shit food. Industrial Italy - the worst food in the country. Japan - a total exception, as it always is
    China and India have a fair amount of industry and mining. Would you describe their cuisine as shit?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,058
    "Let's build better bombs" reminds of Kenny Everett at the Tory conference - "Let's bomb Russia"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxWyZcT5_lg
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,726
    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    Political colossus Jacinda Ardern interviewed by two fawning centrists.

    The Rest is Politics.

    Enjoy, the many fans of here we have here.

    https://x.com/restispolitics/status/1929518998288240902?s=61

    What could you of all people, one of this site's greatest centrists, have against the wonderful Jacinda?

    She has a book coming out - I'm sure you'll be purchasing...
    I shall rejoin audible just to get it !!

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,376
    geoffw said:

    "Let's build better bombs" reminds of Kenny Everett at the Tory conference - "Let's bomb Russia"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxWyZcT5_lg

    Ukraine just did that yesterday :)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,816

    isam said:

    John Rentoul isn’t happy with Sadiq Khan branding Robert Jenrick ‘Mr Ozempic’

    Responding to legitimate & indirect criticism with personal insult is low

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1929554758815175001?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Rentoul is very anti any sort of low blow, he hates anyone using 'liar'
    I have to say, Oi Fatty is a bit pathetic even by Khan's standard
    Speaking to Times Radio on Monday, the London mayor said: “What I find ironic, and it’s an example of the chutzpah of Mr Ozempic, is that he was in government when the government cut more than a billion pounds from their police budget.

    “He was in government when the government removed Transport for London’s [TfL] operating grant, and now he’s criticising the consequences of the cuts in policing and TfL made by his government.

    “What was he in 2010, 2024 when those cuts were being made in our policing? Where was he in 2015 when the government cut their operating grant to TfL?”

    Jenrick has been in parliament since 2014, when he was first elected to be the MP for Newark.

    He was a minister under Theresa May, Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak.

    Khan said that while “fare evasion is an issue” – and has been for some time – he has overseen investment in enforcement officers, body-worn videos, CCTV and in the police.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/khan-dubs-jenrick-mr-ozempic-in-spat-over-tube-fare-dodgers_uk_683d9707e4b095a13840fbd4
    Valid points.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,726

    Leon said:

    WHY IS GERMAN FOOD SO TERRIBLE

    Also, Holland. And eastern France. It’s shit

    Also why is it called a hamburger when its not made from ham? ;)
    I’d always assumed because it was from Hamburg. Like an Eccles cake is from Eccles.

    However we know what they say of assume.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,432

    isam said:

    John Rentoul isn’t happy with Sadiq Khan branding Robert Jenrick ‘Mr Ozempic’

    Responding to legitimate & indirect criticism with personal insult is low

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1929554758815175001?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Rentoul is very anti any sort of low blow, he hates anyone using 'liar'
    I have to say, Oi Fatty is a bit pathetic even by Khan's standard
    Speaking to Times Radio on Monday, the London mayor said: “What I find ironic, and it’s an example of the chutzpah of Mr Ozempic, is that he was in government when the government cut more than a billion pounds from their police budget.

    “He was in government when the government removed Transport for London’s [TfL] operating grant, and now he’s criticising the consequences of the cuts in policing and TfL made by his government.

    “What was he in 2010, 2024 when those cuts were being made in our policing? Where was he in 2015 when the government cut their operating grant to TfL?”

    Jenrick has been in parliament since 2014, when he was first elected to be the MP for Newark.

    He was a minister under Theresa May, Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak.

    Khan said that while “fare evasion is an issue” – and has been for some time – he has overseen investment in enforcement officers, body-worn videos, CCTV and in the police.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/khan-dubs-jenrick-mr-ozempic-in-spat-over-tube-fare-dodgers_uk_683d9707e4b095a13840fbd4
    It’s also a really lame, crap, rather repugnant insult

    A lot of British people are overweight and would like to lose it. Criticising someone for doing something about that - however they do it - is basically criticising someone for making themselves healthier

    Would khan call someone with well managed diabetes “Mr Insulin”? Or some guy getting over cancer “corporal chemotherapy”?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,909
    edited June 2
    C4 news just had a report from the Hamilton by election and found a voter who had voted Reform on the basis that Sarwar represented 'the Pakistani community not Scots.' Somewhat concerning about the message that could come from a strong Reform result on Thursday if they do indeed beat Labour or even take the seat from the SNP, Swinney was warning about Farage and Reform 'racism' when interviewed
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,435
    Roger said:

    Leon said:

    My company has just sent an internal memo around that's utterly scathing of the UK-EU defence pact.

    It says it's celebrated by the Government as a triumph but a closer examination of its provisions reveals troubling compromises that may undermine
    British sovereignty and military autonomy while offering only marginal economic benefits.

    Remember the Golden Rule of Starmer-Reeves, everything this Labour government does - sooner or later it turns out to be damaging for the UK

    EVERY. SINGLE. THING
    Key points:

    1) Agreement’s provisions represent a shift toward reintegration with EU military structures, bypassing parliament. While HMG touts access to the EU’s €8 billion European Defence Fund (EDF) as a win, enabling UK firms like BAE Systems to bid for collaborative projects in drone tech and cybersecurity, the fine print reveals heavy constraints. British companies must partner with EU-led consortia, often as juniors, with 60% of project work required to occur in EU states, limiting UK roles to niche tasks. Worse, Britain gains no voting rights in the European Defence Agency (EDA), locking it into a “rule-taker” status reminiscent of Norway’s associate membership.

    2) Agreement prioritises EU defence coordination mechanisms, potentially constraining Britain’s freedom to leverage global partnerships. By aligning with the EDA, the UK risks gradual entanglement in EU regulatory frameworks for AI and emissions standards. These standards are set without British input, which could erode autonomy in emerging technologies like hypersonic weapons. Britain has traded long-term strategic flexibility for short-term export gains estimated at a modest £150–200 million annually.

    3) While HMG highlights EDF access as a lifeline for SMEs, the reality is participation risks tech transfer demands, where EU partners may require sharing proprietary UK intellectual property. Certification alignment, though streamlining exports for firms, tacitly surrenders regulatory autonomy. The defence industrial collaboration appears one-sided: British firms gain limited project slots but must adhere to EU procurement rules, stifling innovation and relegating them to peripheral roles in flagship initiatives like FCAS.

    4) Agreement emphasises cooperation with EU structures like PESCO,
    creating overlap with NATO without concrete safeguards. Critics argue tailored bilateral deals with France or Germany could have delivered similar benefits without institutional entanglements. Instead, the UK faces a paradox: modest commercial opportunities offset by gradual absorption into Europe’s regulatory orbit, diminishing its independence.

    Conclusion: a series of concessions - while deeper security cooperation has merit, this prioritises short term diplomacy over long term strategy. The EDF’s limited revenue streams pale against the risks of sovereignty erosion and regulatory subordination. For a nation that once championed “Global Britain,” this feels less like a rebirth and more like a retreat into Europe’s shadow.
    This is what we like to see. I've read some boring posts on PB before but none quite as meaningless as this. Wall-to-wall waffle!

    A new Pseuds Corner is born!
    Lol!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,435
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    My company has just sent an internal memo around that's utterly scathing of the UK-EU defence pact.

    It says it's celebrated by the Government as a triumph but a closer examination of its provisions reveals troubling compromises that may undermine
    British sovereignty and military autonomy while offering only marginal economic benefits.

    Remember the Golden Rule of Starmer-Reeves, everything this Labour government does - sooner or later it turns out to be damaging for the UK

    EVERY. SINGLE. THING
    Key points:

    1) Agreement’s provisions represent a shift toward reintegration with EU military structures, bypassing parliament. While HMG touts access to the EU’s €8 billion European Defence Fund (EDF) as a win, enabling UK firms like BAE Systems to bid for collaborative projects in drone tech and cybersecurity, the fine print reveals heavy constraints. British companies must partner with EU-led consortia, often as juniors, with 60% of project work required to occur in EU states, limiting UK roles to niche tasks. Worse, Britain gains no voting rights in the European Defence Agency (EDA), locking it into a “rule-taker” status reminiscent of Norway’s associate membership.

    2) Agreement prioritises EU defence coordination mechanisms, potentially constraining Britain’s freedom to leverage global partnerships. By aligning with the EDA, the UK risks gradual entanglement in EU regulatory frameworks for AI and emissions standards. These standards are set without British input, which could erode autonomy in emerging technologies like hypersonic weapons. Britain has traded long-term strategic flexibility for short-term export gains estimated at a modest £150–200 million annually.

    3) While HMG highlights EDF access as a lifeline for SMEs, the reality is participation risks tech transfer demands, where EU partners may require sharing proprietary UK intellectual property. Certification alignment, though streamlining exports for firms, tacitly surrenders regulatory autonomy. The defence industrial collaboration appears one-sided: British firms gain limited project slots but must adhere to EU procurement rules, stifling innovation and relegating them to peripheral roles in flagship initiatives like FCAS.

    4) Agreement emphasises cooperation with EU structures like PESCO,
    creating overlap with NATO without concrete safeguards. Critics argue tailored bilateral deals with France or Germany could have delivered similar benefits without institutional entanglements. Instead, the UK faces a paradox: modest commercial opportunities offset by gradual absorption into Europe’s regulatory orbit, diminishing its independence.

    Conclusion: a series of concessions - while deeper security cooperation has merit, this prioritises short term diplomacy over long term strategy. The EDF’s limited revenue streams pale against the risks of sovereignty erosion and regulatory subordination. For a nation that once championed “Global Britain,” this feels less like a rebirth and more like a retreat into Europe’s shadow.
    Another Brexit benefit. Of course.
    Your boy signed up to a bucket of shit.

    It was all fine before.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,231
    edited June 2
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Team Trump on tariffs

    Countries to make best offer by Wednesday to avoid reinstatement of tariffs.

    Deals in place by July 8th.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1929603564730564838?s=61


    Deals by Wednesday, followed by Taco Thursday or preceded by Taco Tuesday? 🌮
    Let’s see what the Bond market says.

    Meanwhile tariffs have shrunk the trade deficit.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1929604678838591838?s=61
    No they haven't.

    The data shows the deficit so far in 2025 is much more than in 2024, because orders spiked in March to beat the tariffs, its not much less than it. It fell in April 2025 versus March 2025 but that's because March 2025 was a record high deficit caused by the tariffs.

    It will take time to see exactly what the overall impact is, but a fall from a high caused by getting orders in before the tariffs is not a fall due to tariffs, its simply a reversion to mean.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,058

    geoffw said:

    "Let's build better bombs" reminds of Kenny Everett at the Tory conference - "Let's bomb Russia"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxWyZcT5_lg

    Ukraine just did that yesterday :)
    The Ukies at least appear to keep their bombing to military targets .. unlike the Russkies

  • isamisam Posts: 41,960
    Pretty incredible that these Scottish politicians made these speeches

    Vote Labour and the SNP for more of the same.

    https://x.com/reformparty_uk/status/1929595803779096879?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,108

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    My company has just sent an internal memo around that's utterly scathing of the UK-EU defence pact.

    It says it's celebrated by the Government as a triumph but a closer examination of its provisions reveals troubling compromises that may undermine
    British sovereignty and military autonomy while offering only marginal economic benefits.

    Remember the Golden Rule of Starmer-Reeves, everything this Labour government does - sooner or later it turns out to be damaging for the UK

    EVERY. SINGLE. THING
    Key points:

    1) Agreement’s provisions represent a shift toward reintegration with EU military structures, bypassing parliament. While HMG touts access to the EU’s €8 billion European Defence Fund (EDF) as a win, enabling UK firms like BAE Systems to bid for collaborative projects in drone tech and cybersecurity, the fine print reveals heavy constraints. British companies must partner with EU-led consortia, often as juniors, with 60% of project work required to occur in EU states, limiting UK roles to niche tasks. Worse, Britain gains no voting rights in the European Defence Agency (EDA), locking it into a “rule-taker” status reminiscent of Norway’s associate membership.

    2) Agreement prioritises EU defence coordination mechanisms, potentially constraining Britain’s freedom to leverage global partnerships. By aligning with the EDA, the UK risks gradual entanglement in EU regulatory frameworks for AI and emissions standards. These standards are set without British input, which could erode autonomy in emerging technologies like hypersonic weapons. Britain has traded long-term strategic flexibility for short-term export gains estimated at a modest £150–200 million annually.

    3) While HMG highlights EDF access as a lifeline for SMEs, the reality is participation risks tech transfer demands, where EU partners may require sharing proprietary UK intellectual property. Certification alignment, though streamlining exports for firms, tacitly surrenders regulatory autonomy. The defence industrial collaboration appears one-sided: British firms gain limited project slots but must adhere to EU procurement rules, stifling innovation and relegating them to peripheral roles in flagship initiatives like FCAS.

    4) Agreement emphasises cooperation with EU structures like PESCO,
    creating overlap with NATO without concrete safeguards. Critics argue tailored bilateral deals with France or Germany could have delivered similar benefits without institutional entanglements. Instead, the UK faces a paradox: modest commercial opportunities offset by gradual absorption into Europe’s regulatory orbit, diminishing its independence.

    Conclusion: a series of concessions - while deeper security cooperation has merit, this prioritises short term diplomacy over long term strategy. The EDF’s limited revenue streams pale against the risks of sovereignty erosion and regulatory subordination. For a nation that once championed “Global Britain,” this feels less like a rebirth and more like a retreat into Europe’s shadow.
    Another Brexit benefit. Of course.
    Your boy signed up to a bucket of shit.

    It was all fine before.
    Starmer isn't clearing up Johnson and Frost's enormous pile of excrement at a swift enough rate.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,609
    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Leon said:

    My company has just sent an internal memo around that's utterly scathing of the UK-EU defence pact.

    It says it's celebrated by the Government as a triumph but a closer examination of its provisions reveals troubling compromises that may undermine
    British sovereignty and military autonomy while offering only marginal economic benefits.

    Remember the Golden Rule of Starmer-Reeves, everything this Labour government does - sooner or later it turns out to be damaging for the UK

    EVERY. SINGLE. THING
    Key points:

    1) Agreement’s provisions represent a shift toward reintegration with EU military structures, bypassing parliament. While HMG touts access to the EU’s €8 billion European Defence Fund (EDF) as a win, enabling UK firms like BAE Systems to bid for collaborative projects in drone tech and cybersecurity, the fine print reveals heavy constraints. British companies must partner with EU-led consortia, often as juniors, with 60% of project work required to occur in EU states, limiting UK roles to niche tasks. Worse, Britain gains no voting rights in the European Defence Agency (EDA), locking it into a “rule-taker” status reminiscent of Norway’s associate membership.

    2) Agreement prioritises EU defence coordination mechanisms, potentially constraining Britain’s freedom to leverage global partnerships. By aligning with the EDA, the UK risks gradual entanglement in EU regulatory frameworks for AI and emissions standards. These standards are set without British input, which could erode autonomy in emerging technologies like hypersonic weapons. Britain has traded long-term strategic flexibility for short-term export gains estimated at a modest £150–200 million annually.

    3) While HMG highlights EDF access as a lifeline for SMEs, the reality is participation risks tech transfer demands, where EU partners may require sharing proprietary UK intellectual property. Certification alignment, though streamlining exports for firms, tacitly surrenders regulatory autonomy. The defence industrial collaboration appears one-sided: British firms gain limited project slots but must adhere to EU procurement rules, stifling innovation and relegating them to peripheral roles in flagship initiatives like FCAS.

    4) Agreement emphasises cooperation with EU structures like PESCO,
    creating overlap with NATO without concrete safeguards. Critics argue tailored bilateral deals with France or Germany could have delivered similar benefits without institutional entanglements. Instead, the UK faces a paradox: modest commercial opportunities offset by gradual absorption into Europe’s regulatory orbit, diminishing its independence.

    Conclusion: a series of concessions - while deeper security cooperation has merit, this prioritises short term diplomacy over long term strategy. The EDF’s limited revenue streams pale against the risks of sovereignty erosion and regulatory subordination. For a nation that once championed “Global Britain,” this feels less like a rebirth and more like a retreat into Europe’s shadow.
    This is what we like to see. I've read some boring posts on PB before but none quite as meaningless as this. Wall-to-wall waffle!

    A new Pseuds Corner is born!
    It's better than a lot of the drivel here posted from alt right conspiracy twitter. At least there is some facts cited.

    Time to tune out of PB for a bit and enjoy some long summer evenings in the garden.
    Even better here in France. May/June I think are the best months. It's awash with colour and life.. It's difficult to read posts like Casino's when I'm living in a place that shows how completely bonkers Brexit and everything that lies behind it really is. They're Luddites
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,879
    Roger said:

    Leon said:

    My company has just sent an internal memo around that's utterly scathing of the UK-EU defence pact.

    It says it's celebrated by the Government as a triumph but a closer examination of its provisions reveals troubling compromises that may undermine
    British sovereignty and military autonomy while offering only marginal economic benefits.

    Remember the Golden Rule of Starmer-Reeves, everything this Labour government does - sooner or later it turns out to be damaging for the UK

    EVERY. SINGLE. THING
    Key points:

    1) Agreement’s provisions represent a shift toward reintegration with EU military structures, bypassing parliament. While HMG touts access to the EU’s €8 billion European Defence Fund (EDF) as a win, enabling UK firms like BAE Systems to bid for collaborative projects in drone tech and cybersecurity, the fine print reveals heavy constraints. British companies must partner with EU-led consortia, often as juniors, with 60% of project work required to occur in EU states, limiting UK roles to niche tasks. Worse, Britain gains no voting rights in the European Defence Agency (EDA), locking it into a “rule-taker” status reminiscent of Norway’s associate membership.

    2) Agreement prioritises EU defence coordination mechanisms, potentially constraining Britain’s freedom to leverage global partnerships. By aligning with the EDA, the UK risks gradual entanglement in EU regulatory frameworks for AI and emissions standards. These standards are set without British input, which could erode autonomy in emerging technologies like hypersonic weapons. Britain has traded long-term strategic flexibility for short-term export gains estimated at a modest £150–200 million annually.

    3) While HMG highlights EDF access as a lifeline for SMEs, the reality is participation risks tech transfer demands, where EU partners may require sharing proprietary UK intellectual property. Certification alignment, though streamlining exports for firms, tacitly surrenders regulatory autonomy. The defence industrial collaboration appears one-sided: British firms gain limited project slots but must adhere to EU procurement rules, stifling innovation and relegating them to peripheral roles in flagship initiatives like FCAS.

    4) Agreement emphasises cooperation with EU structures like PESCO,
    creating overlap with NATO without concrete safeguards. Critics argue tailored bilateral deals with France or Germany could have delivered similar benefits without institutional entanglements. Instead, the UK faces a paradox: modest commercial opportunities offset by gradual absorption into Europe’s regulatory orbit, diminishing its independence.

    Conclusion: a series of concessions - while deeper security cooperation has merit, this prioritises short term diplomacy over long term strategy. The EDF’s limited revenue streams pale against the risks of sovereignty erosion and regulatory subordination. For a nation that once championed “Global Britain,” this feels less like a rebirth and more like a retreat into Europe’s shadow.
    This is what we like to see. I've read some boring posts on PB before but none quite as meaningless as this. Wall-to-wall waffle!

    A new Pseuds Corner is born!
    Ah yes.

    The traditional response of British mediocrity to an argument they barely understand, can’t refute and come to a conclusion they don’t like.

    “Boring”
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,238
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    PJH said:

    Taz said:

    PJH said:

    On cost of living - a couple of weeks ago I treated myself and my girlfriend to a night in a nice hotel - not super-expensive but more per night than I would usually pay. Nice and comfortable, dinner also a bit on the pricey side, the sort of occasional one-off I used to do for wedding anniversaries or milestone birthdays when I was married.

    When I used to spend a night like this before, perhaps 10+ years ago, the majority of people staying were the age I am now, 50s. This time, of the people at breakfast, we were clearly the only ones of working age, apart from two of a 3-generation family group who'd been staying for a party the night before. Pensioners have the money now, not working people. O/T that may reflect in some of the answers, e.g. Reform appear to be the travellers - they skew older than average.

    Was this a weekend or in the week ?

    We used to go to hotel/dinner stays at weekends a few years back. Now we go in the week as it’s cheaper and I no longer work. I’m 59 wife 57
    This was weekend. But it always was! The clue is that I'm still working....
    Counterpoint: looking to book a couple of nights in Central London with better half. Decent but not exotic hotels (e.g. Radissons / Park Plazas) £400 a night during the week, £200 a night at weekend.

    (No I'm not a particular fan of Radisson but got top status with them via a loyalty hack, so they work out good vfm)
    Try the Caesar in Paddington. Both the wife and I use it when in London. Often c.£150 if prebooked. Upgrade for about £20 - the newly done rooms are a delight, the breakfasts are superb, the staff very professional. Very quiet, rarely hear sirens going past. About a 7 minute walk from Paddington, about the same to Lancaster Gate to get on the Central Line.

    https://www.thecaesarhotel.com/en
    Thanks, had a look, still £370 a night for 2nd most basic room, with breakfast.

    (Most basic room was 14m2 😲)

    My sympathies. Hotel rooms in all great western cities are now insanely expensive. Paris is possibly worse than London

    No one in the industry - that I’ve met - has a simple explanation for why

    Quite regular rooms in good london hotels are now costing four figures
    Immediately post-COVID I would understand it, everybody locked up, didn't spend much money etc. But now, I can't work out how people are affording it. Same with things like concert and sports tickets (although we are seeing cricket struggling to shift tickets these days for internationals). Are they sticking it all on their flexible friend and paying via Klarna, with a massive crash to hit in a couple of years?
    Yes it was assumed it was a post pando phenomenon. But it’s just continued

    Almost like a cartelisation of the market….
    Holidays nowadays are prohibitively expensive. My assumption is that hoidays are, at a high level, fungible - and worldwide, the number of people in the market for a nice holiday has increased. So my week in Cornwall is more expensive because there are more rich Asians going to Italy (though rumour has it that there are far fewer Chinese than was previously thought...)
    That’s actually one of the better theories I’ve heard. Surely something in that

    You can still find amazing places that are cheap. You just gotta be imaginative, daring and flexible

    This is not easy for families with young kids, unfortunately
    Actually, a friend of mine has suggested tbat your best bet for a good quality family holiday at prices as they were 15 years ago is Germany. Which does appeal to me. Though I'm not sure how it would appeal to my teen- and pre-teen girls.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,919

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    My company has just sent an internal memo around that's utterly scathing of the UK-EU defence pact.

    It says it's celebrated by the Government as a triumph but a closer examination of its provisions reveals troubling compromises that may undermine
    British sovereignty and military autonomy while offering only marginal economic benefits.

    Remember the Golden Rule of Starmer-Reeves, everything this Labour government does - sooner or later it turns out to be damaging for the UK

    EVERY. SINGLE. THING
    Key points:

    1) Agreement’s provisions represent a shift toward reintegration with EU military structures, bypassing parliament. While HMG touts access to the EU’s €8 billion European Defence Fund (EDF) as a win, enabling UK firms like BAE Systems to bid for collaborative projects in drone tech and cybersecurity, the fine print reveals heavy constraints. British companies must partner with EU-led consortia, often as juniors, with 60% of project work required to occur in EU states, limiting UK roles to niche tasks. Worse, Britain gains no voting rights in the European Defence Agency (EDA), locking it into a “rule-taker” status reminiscent of Norway’s associate membership.

    2) Agreement prioritises EU defence coordination mechanisms, potentially constraining Britain’s freedom to leverage global partnerships. By aligning with the EDA, the UK risks gradual entanglement in EU regulatory frameworks for AI and emissions standards. These standards are set without British input, which could erode autonomy in emerging technologies like hypersonic weapons. Britain has traded long-term strategic flexibility for short-term export gains estimated at a modest £150–200 million annually.

    3) While HMG highlights EDF access as a lifeline for SMEs, the reality is participation risks tech transfer demands, where EU partners may require sharing proprietary UK intellectual property. Certification alignment, though streamlining exports for firms, tacitly surrenders regulatory autonomy. The defence industrial collaboration appears one-sided: British firms gain limited project slots but must adhere to EU procurement rules, stifling innovation and relegating them to peripheral roles in flagship initiatives like FCAS.

    4) Agreement emphasises cooperation with EU structures like PESCO,
    creating overlap with NATO without concrete safeguards. Critics argue tailored bilateral deals with France or Germany could have delivered similar benefits without institutional entanglements. Instead, the UK faces a paradox: modest commercial opportunities offset by gradual absorption into Europe’s regulatory orbit, diminishing its independence.

    Conclusion: a series of concessions - while deeper security cooperation has merit, this prioritises short term diplomacy over long term strategy. The EDF’s limited revenue streams pale against the risks of sovereignty erosion and regulatory subordination. For a nation that once championed “Global Britain,” this feels less like a rebirth and more like a retreat into Europe’s shadow.
    Another Brexit benefit. Of course.
    Your boy signed up to a bucket of shit.

    It was all fine before.
    My boy ?

    Leon voted for him; I didn't.

    "It was all fine before". Sure.

    You Brexiteers...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,432
    edited June 2
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    PJH said:

    Taz said:

    PJH said:

    On cost of living - a couple of weeks ago I treated myself and my girlfriend to a night in a nice hotel - not super-expensive but more per night than I would usually pay. Nice and comfortable, dinner also a bit on the pricey side, the sort of occasional one-off I used to do for wedding anniversaries or milestone birthdays when I was married.

    When I used to spend a night like this before, perhaps 10+ years ago, the majority of people staying were the age I am now, 50s. This time, of the people at breakfast, we were clearly the only ones of working age, apart from two of a 3-generation family group who'd been staying for a party the night before. Pensioners have the money now, not working people. O/T that may reflect in some of the answers, e.g. Reform appear to be the travellers - they skew older than average.

    Was this a weekend or in the week ?

    We used to go to hotel/dinner stays at weekends a few years back. Now we go in the week as it’s cheaper and I no longer work. I’m 59 wife 57
    This was weekend. But it always was! The clue is that I'm still working....
    Counterpoint: looking to book a couple of nights in Central London with better half. Decent but not exotic hotels (e.g. Radissons / Park Plazas) £400 a night during the week, £200 a night at weekend.

    (No I'm not a particular fan of Radisson but got top status with them via a loyalty hack, so they work out good vfm)
    Try the Caesar in Paddington. Both the wife and I use it when in London. Often c.£150 if prebooked. Upgrade for about £20 - the newly done rooms are a delight, the breakfasts are superb, the staff very professional. Very quiet, rarely hear sirens going past. About a 7 minute walk from Paddington, about the same to Lancaster Gate to get on the Central Line.

    https://www.thecaesarhotel.com/en
    Thanks, had a look, still £370 a night for 2nd most basic room, with breakfast.

    (Most basic room was 14m2 😲)

    My sympathies. Hotel rooms in all great western cities are now insanely expensive. Paris is possibly worse than London

    No one in the industry - that I’ve met - has a simple explanation for why

    Quite regular rooms in good london hotels are now costing four figures
    Immediately post-COVID I would understand it, everybody locked up, didn't spend much money etc. But now, I can't work out how people are affording it. Same with things like concert and sports tickets (although we are seeing cricket struggling to shift tickets these days for internationals). Are they sticking it all on their flexible friend and paying via Klarna, with a massive crash to hit in a couple of years?
    Yes it was assumed it was a post pando phenomenon. But it’s just continued

    Almost like a cartelisation of the market….
    Holidays nowadays are prohibitively expensive. My assumption is that hoidays are, at a high level, fungible - and worldwide, the number of people in the market for a nice holiday has increased. So my week in Cornwall is more expensive because there are more rich Asians going to Italy (though rumour has it that there are far fewer Chinese than was previously thought...)
    That’s actually one of the better theories I’ve heard. Surely something in that

    You can still find amazing places that are cheap. You just gotta be imaginative, daring and flexible

    This is not easy for families with young kids, unfortunately
    Actually, a friend of mine has suggested tbat your best bet for a good quality family holiday at prices as they were 15 years ago is Germany. Which does appeal to me. Though I'm not sure how it would appeal to my teen- and pre-teen girls.
    It’s boring. And the food is shit. And not cheap

    Try Eastern Europe

    Edit: this sounds harsh so I want to say - Germans are kind and lovely people. But the country is oddly dull and the food is genuinely bad

    Fantastic for high culture tho, especially music
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,108
    HYUFD said:

    C4 news just had a report from the Hamilton by election and found a voter who had voted Reform on the basis that Sarwar represented 'the Pakistani community not Scots.' Somewhat concerning about the message that could come from a strong Reform result on Thursday if they do indeed beat Labour or even take the seat from the SNP, Swinney was warning about Farage and Reform 'racism' when interviewed

    Racism is Reform's USP.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,058
    isam said:

    Pretty incredible that these Scottish politicians made these speeches

    Vote Labour and the SNP for more of the same.

    https://x.com/reformparty_uk/status/1929595803779096879?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    “The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”

  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,231

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    New theory: anywhere with heavy industry or mining has shit food, even now - or they have only recently recovered (Britain) - because for decades or even centuries the emphasis was on producing the quickest and heaviest calories for really hungry people with not much time and no room for discernment


    France? Italy? Japan?
    Eastern France: shit food. Industrial Italy - the worst food in the country. Japan - a total exception, as it always is
    China and India have a fair amount of industry and mining. Would you describe their cuisine as shit?
    Both fit the theory.

    Traditionally both were very agrarian states and lacked much mining or industry actually. It's only recently China has industrialised.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,741

    Leon said:

    WHY IS GERMAN FOOD SO TERRIBLE

    Also, Holland. And eastern France. It’s shit

    Also why is it called a hamburger when its not made from ham? ;)
    Allegedly from Hamburg, presumably a sort of frikadelle which of course is Danish, but then so was Altona and the western part of what is now Hamburg
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,664
    Now, hang on, @Leon might be on to something.

    The failure of the Kaiserschlacht in the spring of 1918 was directly attributable to German troops capturing French villages and gorging themselves on the food and wine they found which caused such inebriation and inertia as to pause their momenturm towards Paris and allow the British, French and Americans to regroup.

    If the emergence of Sauerkrautsuppe can be traced to' Stuttgart in 1905, then, only a decade later, the average German soldier, when confronted by proper food, was helpless. Obviously, Alsace and Lorraine, which were both German at the time, saw their food deteriorate before 1914 but the deterioration of the rest of French cuisine was probably a post-WW1 event (a consequence of Versailles I'd imagine).
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,231
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    WHY IS GERMAN FOOD SO TERRIBLE

    Also, Holland. And eastern France. It’s shit

    Also why is it called a hamburger when its not made from ham? ;)
    I’d always assumed because it was from Hamburg. Like an Eccles cake is from Eccles.

    However we know what they say of assume.
    That was the joke.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,741
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    PJH said:

    Taz said:

    PJH said:

    On cost of living - a couple of weeks ago I treated myself and my girlfriend to a night in a nice hotel - not super-expensive but more per night than I would usually pay. Nice and comfortable, dinner also a bit on the pricey side, the sort of occasional one-off I used to do for wedding anniversaries or milestone birthdays when I was married.

    When I used to spend a night like this before, perhaps 10+ years ago, the majority of people staying were the age I am now, 50s. This time, of the people at breakfast, we were clearly the only ones of working age, apart from two of a 3-generation family group who'd been staying for a party the night before. Pensioners have the money now, not working people. O/T that may reflect in some of the answers, e.g. Reform appear to be the travellers - they skew older than average.

    Was this a weekend or in the week ?

    We used to go to hotel/dinner stays at weekends a few years back. Now we go in the week as it’s cheaper and I no longer work. I’m 59 wife 57
    This was weekend. But it always was! The clue is that I'm still working....
    Counterpoint: looking to book a couple of nights in Central London with better half. Decent but not exotic hotels (e.g. Radissons / Park Plazas) £400 a night during the week, £200 a night at weekend.

    (No I'm not a particular fan of Radisson but got top status with them via a loyalty hack, so they work out good vfm)
    Try the Caesar in Paddington. Both the wife and I use it when in London. Often c.£150 if prebooked. Upgrade for about £20 - the newly done rooms are a delight, the breakfasts are superb, the staff very professional. Very quiet, rarely hear sirens going past. About a 7 minute walk from Paddington, about the same to Lancaster Gate to get on the Central Line.

    https://www.thecaesarhotel.com/en
    Thanks, had a look, still £370 a night for 2nd most basic room, with breakfast.

    (Most basic room was 14m2 😲)

    My sympathies. Hotel rooms in all great western cities are now insanely expensive. Paris is possibly worse than London

    No one in the industry - that I’ve met - has a simple explanation for why

    Quite regular rooms in good london hotels are now costing four figures
    Immediately post-COVID I would understand it, everybody locked up, didn't spend much money etc. But now, I can't work out how people are affording it. Same with things like concert and sports tickets (although we are seeing cricket struggling to shift tickets these days for internationals). Are they sticking it all on their flexible friend and paying via Klarna, with a massive crash to hit in a couple of years?
    Yes it was assumed it was a post pando phenomenon. But it’s just continued

    Almost like a cartelisation of the market….
    Holidays nowadays are prohibitively expensive. My assumption is that hoidays are, at a high level, fungible - and worldwide, the number of people in the market for a nice holiday has increased. So my week in Cornwall is more expensive because there are more rich Asians going to Italy (though rumour has it that there are far fewer Chinese than was previously thought...)
    That’s actually one of the better theories I’ve heard. Surely something in that

    You can still find amazing places that are cheap. You just gotta be imaginative, daring and flexible

    This is not easy for families with young kids, unfortunately
    Actually, a friend of mine has suggested tbat your best bet for a good quality family holiday at prices as they were 15 years ago is Germany. Which does appeal to me. Though I'm not sure how it would appeal to my teen- and pre-teen girls.
    It’s boring. And the food is shit

    Try Eastern Europe
    Recently I found even big-city prices in Sofia and Bucharest were more than reasonable. I still haven't "done" Transylvania (apart from a long weekend in Cluj),must get round to it
  • eekeek Posts: 30,187
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    PJH said:

    Taz said:

    PJH said:

    On cost of living - a couple of weeks ago I treated myself and my girlfriend to a night in a nice hotel - not super-expensive but more per night than I would usually pay. Nice and comfortable, dinner also a bit on the pricey side, the sort of occasional one-off I used to do for wedding anniversaries or milestone birthdays when I was married.

    When I used to spend a night like this before, perhaps 10+ years ago, the majority of people staying were the age I am now, 50s. This time, of the people at breakfast, we were clearly the only ones of working age, apart from two of a 3-generation family group who'd been staying for a party the night before. Pensioners have the money now, not working people. O/T that may reflect in some of the answers, e.g. Reform appear to be the travellers - they skew older than average.

    Was this a weekend or in the week ?

    We used to go to hotel/dinner stays at weekends a few years back. Now we go in the week as it’s cheaper and I no longer work. I’m 59 wife 57
    This was weekend. But it always was! The clue is that I'm still working....
    Counterpoint: looking to book a couple of nights in Central London with better half. Decent but not exotic hotels (e.g. Radissons / Park Plazas) £400 a night during the week, £200 a night at weekend.

    (No I'm not a particular fan of Radisson but got top status with them via a loyalty hack, so they work out good vfm)
    Try the Caesar in Paddington. Both the wife and I use it when in London. Often c.£150 if prebooked. Upgrade for about £20 - the newly done rooms are a delight, the breakfasts are superb, the staff very professional. Very quiet, rarely hear sirens going past. About a 7 minute walk from Paddington, about the same to Lancaster Gate to get on the Central Line.

    https://www.thecaesarhotel.com/en
    Thanks, had a look, still £370 a night for 2nd most basic room, with breakfast.

    (Most basic room was 14m2 😲)

    My sympathies. Hotel rooms in all great western cities are now insanely expensive. Paris is possibly worse than London

    No one in the industry - that I’ve met - has a simple explanation for why

    Quite regular rooms in good london hotels are now costing four figures
    Immediately post-COVID I would understand it, everybody locked up, didn't spend much money etc. But now, I can't work out how people are affording it. Same with things like concert and sports tickets (although we are seeing cricket struggling to shift tickets these days for internationals). Are they sticking it all on their flexible friend and paying via Klarna, with a massive crash to hit in a couple of years?
    Yes it was assumed it was a post pando phenomenon. But it’s just continued

    Almost like a cartelisation of the market….
    Holidays nowadays are prohibitively expensive. My assumption is that hoidays are, at a high level, fungible - and worldwide, the number of people in the market for a nice holiday has increased. So my week in Cornwall is more expensive because there are more rich Asians going to Italy (though rumour has it that there are far fewer Chinese than was previously thought...)
    That’s actually one of the better theories I’ve heard. Surely something in that

    You can still find amazing places that are cheap. You just gotta be imaginative, daring and flexible

    This is not easy for families with young kids, unfortunately
    Actually, a friend of mine has suggested tbat your best bet for a good quality family holiday at prices as they were 15 years ago is Germany. Which does appeal to me. Though I'm not sure how it would appeal to my teen- and pre-teen girls.
    Berlin was very reasonable priced when I was there last weekend. Prices were comparable to up north compared to Paris which is London prices at least (and often more)
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,726

    Leon said:

    WHY IS GERMAN FOOD SO TERRIBLE

    Also, Holland. And eastern France. It’s shit

    Also why is it called a hamburger when its not made from ham? ;)
    Allegedly from Hamburg, presumably a sort of frikadelle which of course is Danish, but then so was Altona and the western part of what is now Hamburg
    Ah, it is from Hamburg. I did assume that. But didn’t know.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,726

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    WHY IS GERMAN FOOD SO TERRIBLE

    Also, Holland. And eastern France. It’s shit

    Also why is it called a hamburger when its not made from ham? ;)
    I’d always assumed because it was from Hamburg. Like an Eccles cake is from Eccles.

    However we know what they say of assume.
    That was the joke.
    I’m sure of the laughter guzzler, Bob Monkhouse, was still here he’d snap that one up for his catalogue of gags.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,693
    Leon said:

    New theory: anywhere with heavy industry or mining has shit food, even now - or they have only recently recovered (Britain) - because for decades or even centuries the emphasis was on producing the quickest and heaviest calories for really hungry people with not much time and no room for discernment


    A possibly related theory is that every European country has an industrial north where beer is brewed and a holiday resort south where wine is made.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,472
    Happy Pride month everyone
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,205
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    PJH said:

    Taz said:

    PJH said:

    On cost of living - a couple of weeks ago I treated myself and my girlfriend to a night in a nice hotel - not super-expensive but more per night than I would usually pay. Nice and comfortable, dinner also a bit on the pricey side, the sort of occasional one-off I used to do for wedding anniversaries or milestone birthdays when I was married.

    When I used to spend a night like this before, perhaps 10+ years ago, the majority of people staying were the age I am now, 50s. This time, of the people at breakfast, we were clearly the only ones of working age, apart from two of a 3-generation family group who'd been staying for a party the night before. Pensioners have the money now, not working people. O/T that may reflect in some of the answers, e.g. Reform appear to be the travellers - they skew older than average.

    Was this a weekend or in the week ?

    We used to go to hotel/dinner stays at weekends a few years back. Now we go in the week as it’s cheaper and I no longer work. I’m 59 wife 57
    This was weekend. But it always was! The clue is that I'm still working....
    Counterpoint: looking to book a couple of nights in Central London with better half. Decent but not exotic hotels (e.g. Radissons / Park Plazas) £400 a night during the week, £200 a night at weekend.

    (No I'm not a particular fan of Radisson but got top status with them via a loyalty hack, so they work out good vfm)
    Try the Caesar in Paddington. Both the wife and I use it when in London. Often c.£150 if prebooked. Upgrade for about £20 - the newly done rooms are a delight, the breakfasts are superb, the staff very professional. Very quiet, rarely hear sirens going past. About a 7 minute walk from Paddington, about the same to Lancaster Gate to get on the Central Line.

    https://www.thecaesarhotel.com/en
    Thanks, had a look, still £370 a night for 2nd most basic room, with breakfast.

    (Most basic room was 14m2 😲)

    My sympathies. Hotel rooms in all great western cities are now insanely expensive. Paris is possibly worse than London

    No one in the industry - that I’ve met - has a simple explanation for why

    Quite regular rooms in good london hotels are now costing four figures
    Immediately post-COVID I would understand it, everybody locked up, didn't spend much money etc. But now, I can't work out how people are affording it. Same with things like concert and sports tickets (although we are seeing cricket struggling to shift tickets these days for internationals). Are they sticking it all on their flexible friend and paying via Klarna, with a massive crash to hit in a couple of years?
    Yes it was assumed it was a post pando phenomenon. But it’s just continued

    Almost like a cartelisation of the market….
    Holidays nowadays are prohibitively expensive. My assumption is that hoidays are, at a high level, fungible - and worldwide, the number of people in the market for a nice holiday has increased. So my week in Cornwall is more expensive because there are more rich Asians going to Italy (though rumour has it that there are far fewer Chinese than was previously thought...)
    That’s actually one of the better theories I’ve heard. Surely something in that

    You can still find amazing places that are cheap. You just gotta be imaginative, daring and flexible

    This is not easy for families with young kids, unfortunately
    I've just booked a train jaunt along the french and italian rivieras and up into the swiss alps in August. Nine days, average £48pppn for the hotels (two sharing).

    The key, as you suggest, is not to pick where to go first.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,495
    HYUFD said:

    C4 news just had a report from the Hamilton by election and found a voter who had voted Reform on the basis that Sarwar represented 'the Pakistani community not Scots.' Somewhat concerning about the message that could come from a strong Reform result on Thursday if they do indeed beat Labour or even take the seat from the SNP, Swinney was warning about Farage and Reform 'racism' when interviewed

    Yes, a big vote for them there would be no joke. It would indicate the R number of this particular virus is spiralling upwards.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,693
    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    PJH said:

    Taz said:

    PJH said:

    On cost of living - a couple of weeks ago I treated myself and my girlfriend to a night in a nice hotel - not super-expensive but more per night than I would usually pay. Nice and comfortable, dinner also a bit on the pricey side, the sort of occasional one-off I used to do for wedding anniversaries or milestone birthdays when I was married.

    When I used to spend a night like this before, perhaps 10+ years ago, the majority of people staying were the age I am now, 50s. This time, of the people at breakfast, we were clearly the only ones of working age, apart from two of a 3-generation family group who'd been staying for a party the night before. Pensioners have the money now, not working people. O/T that may reflect in some of the answers, e.g. Reform appear to be the travellers - they skew older than average.

    Was this a weekend or in the week ?

    We used to go to hotel/dinner stays at weekends a few years back. Now we go in the week as it’s cheaper and I no longer work. I’m 59 wife 57
    This was weekend. But it always was! The clue is that I'm still working....
    Counterpoint: looking to book a couple of nights in Central London with better half. Decent but not exotic hotels (e.g. Radissons / Park Plazas) £400 a night during the week, £200 a night at weekend.

    (No I'm not a particular fan of Radisson but got top status with them via a loyalty hack, so they work out good vfm)
    Try the Caesar in Paddington. Both the wife and I use it when in London. Often c.£150 if prebooked. Upgrade for about £20 - the newly done rooms are a delight, the breakfasts are superb, the staff very professional. Very quiet, rarely hear sirens going past. About a 7 minute walk from Paddington, about the same to Lancaster Gate to get on the Central Line.

    https://www.thecaesarhotel.com/en
    Thanks, had a look, still £370 a night for 2nd most basic room, with breakfast.

    (Most basic room was 14m2 😲)

    My sympathies. Hotel rooms in all great western cities are now insanely expensive. Paris is possibly worse than London

    No one in the industry - that I’ve met - has a simple explanation for why

    Quite regular rooms in good london hotels are now costing four figures
    There was a paper somewhere that shows pandemic savings still haven't been used up. Even while millions were on furlough, the savings rate was something like 5x higher than usual as richer people stopped going out or on holiday.

    I think the cost of living crisis was sustained by this effect. Richer households simply haven't felt a pinch, so just keep spending despite all the economic gloom. That continues to properly up hotel and restaurant prices.

    (If rich households were a oil & gas company, they'd have been subject to a windfall tax during COVID to induce them to consume and invest).
    Higher savings and then higher interest on those savings and then higher values for investments and pensions and finally higher pay.

    There are many millions of people who have done very well in recent years.
  • Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    Political colossus Jacinda Ardern interviewed by two fawning centrists.

    The Rest is Politics.

    Enjoy, the many fans of here we have here.

    https://x.com/restispolitics/status/1929518998288240902?s=61

    What could you of all people, one of this site's greatest centrists, have against the wonderful Jacinda?

    She has a book coming out - I'm sure you'll be purchasing...
    I shall rejoin audible just to get it !!

    With Jacinda, I think it's a case of "love the sinner, hate the sin". I don't understand the personal animus some have towards her.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,435

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    My company has just sent an internal memo around that's utterly scathing of the UK-EU defence pact.

    It says it's celebrated by the Government as a triumph but a closer examination of its provisions reveals troubling compromises that may undermine
    British sovereignty and military autonomy while offering only marginal economic benefits.

    Remember the Golden Rule of Starmer-Reeves, everything this Labour government does - sooner or later it turns out to be damaging for the UK

    EVERY. SINGLE. THING
    Key points:

    1) Agreement’s provisions represent a shift toward reintegration with EU military structures, bypassing parliament. While HMG touts access to the EU’s €8 billion European Defence Fund (EDF) as a win, enabling UK firms like BAE Systems to bid for collaborative projects in drone tech and cybersecurity, the fine print reveals heavy constraints. British companies must partner with EU-led consortia, often as juniors, with 60% of project work required to occur in EU states, limiting UK roles to niche tasks. Worse, Britain gains no voting rights in the European Defence Agency (EDA), locking it into a “rule-taker” status reminiscent of Norway’s associate membership.

    2) Agreement prioritises EU defence coordination mechanisms, potentially constraining Britain’s freedom to leverage global partnerships. By aligning with the EDA, the UK risks gradual entanglement in EU regulatory frameworks for AI and emissions standards. These standards are set without British input, which could erode autonomy in emerging technologies like hypersonic weapons. Britain has traded long-term strategic flexibility for short-term export gains estimated at a modest £150–200 million annually.

    3) While HMG highlights EDF access as a lifeline for SMEs, the reality is participation risks tech transfer demands, where EU partners may require sharing proprietary UK intellectual property. Certification alignment, though streamlining exports for firms, tacitly surrenders regulatory autonomy. The defence industrial collaboration appears one-sided: British firms gain limited project slots but must adhere to EU procurement rules, stifling innovation and relegating them to peripheral roles in flagship initiatives like FCAS.

    4) Agreement emphasises cooperation with EU structures like PESCO,
    creating overlap with NATO without concrete safeguards. Critics argue tailored bilateral deals with France or Germany could have delivered similar benefits without institutional entanglements. Instead, the UK faces a paradox: modest commercial opportunities offset by gradual absorption into Europe’s regulatory orbit, diminishing its independence.

    Conclusion: a series of concessions - while deeper security cooperation has merit, this prioritises short term diplomacy over long term strategy. The EDF’s limited revenue streams pale against the risks of sovereignty erosion and regulatory subordination. For a nation that once championed “Global Britain,” this feels less like a rebirth and more like a retreat into Europe’s shadow.
    Another Brexit benefit. Of course.
    Your boy signed up to a bucket of shit.

    It was all fine before.
    Starmer isn't clearing up Johnson and Frost's enormous pile of excrement at a swift enough rate.
    Yeah, except he isn't, is he? He's found a small skidmark on an old pair of undies no-one uses anymore, and had chucked away, and has instead decided to muckspread an entire tanker full of manure all over his house and say THERE.. WE HOLD ALL THE CARDS!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,658

    AnneJGP said:

    Stereodog said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    'Having a BBQ',
    Lol, reach for the fucking stars

    Simple pleasures of life. I love this time of year. Sitting outside, in the evening light at 9.00 pm. NINE PM! A cool glass of something in hand and taking in the roses first flush. Life is not all about thrill seeking.
    I agree with that. I love picnics - possibly my favourite thing about summer. Is that sad?

    No it’s simple. Fresh air, countryside, beautiful views, good friends and good chat, a nice glass of cold Mullerthal Pinot Blanc with dreamy creamy grassy Brie de meaux on fresh Borough sourdough


    That's just in your imagination. Picnics are never like that in reality. You haven't been on one for years, if at all.

    Where picnics do work, however, is at (sporting, social) events where the picnicking is curated (eg Glyndebourne, No.1 Car Park at the Royal Meeting, or a point to point).

    Then they are just marvellous. And some of the best such picnics I have had have been in the driving sleet and freezing cold with everyone clutching their glasses of whisky and the rosé still in the car untouched.
    They still get plagued by wasps.

    Or worse, some idiot who goes insane in the company of a wasp - and insists on swatting it into my face.
    The wasp averse (that don't have medical issues with them) are a comical lot - hysterical overreacters
    Could be childhood trauma. I'm swan adverse after being attacked by one whilst strapped in my pushchair. My completely loving parents had a terrible record of being somewhere else when bad things happened. They once lost me during an earthquake in Crete as they were sampling the delights of the hotel buffet when it hit.
    Being attacked by a Swan is a bit more serious than a wasp sting though. But trauma would, I guess, constitute a medical issue rather than just being a massive wasp cry baby
    A wasp sting on your tongue is quite a big deal.

    Don't eat them? Or at very least don't shriek and flap and give them access to your tongue
    When I was about eleven or twelve, I was cutting grass with a finger mower (*) on an old Fergie (**) tractor when a wasp got tangled in my long hair. I could feel it moving and buzzing around in my hair, and tried to sweep it out with my hand whilst maintaining an even mow. A big mistake; it ended up stinging me on the scalp, and we ended up with an area of grass that was somewhat unevenly shorn. You could almost trace my fight with the beast in the grass's cut.

    I've always wondered if that's why I've always preferred shorter haircuts. Either that, or my brother threatening to cut my hair with a finger mower... ;)

    (*) A blooming deadly-looking thing, which I've always thought would create a good scene from a horror movie. Perhaps on a vehicle somewhat faster than a Fergie though.
    (**) That tractor's still in the family, and has recently been restored. I want to drive it again. Hopefully without a wasp this time.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,432
    This is the future for the west. Authoritarian populist hard right democracy

    Nayib Bukele of El Salvador has 85.2% approval rating after 6 years in office. By slamming all the bad people in jail for a long long time, and ignoring the bleating of the liberals and the Economist


    https://x.com/cguanacas/status/1929548983422071202?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    https://x.com/prensagrafica/status/1929538497913725359?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I predict that the first major western leader to do a Bukele will be similarly popular
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,432
    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    PJH said:

    Taz said:

    PJH said:

    On cost of living - a couple of weeks ago I treated myself and my girlfriend to a night in a nice hotel - not super-expensive but more per night than I would usually pay. Nice and comfortable, dinner also a bit on the pricey side, the sort of occasional one-off I used to do for wedding anniversaries or milestone birthdays when I was married.

    When I used to spend a night like this before, perhaps 10+ years ago, the majority of people staying were the age I am now, 50s. This time, of the people at breakfast, we were clearly the only ones of working age, apart from two of a 3-generation family group who'd been staying for a party the night before. Pensioners have the money now, not working people. O/T that may reflect in some of the answers, e.g. Reform appear to be the travellers - they skew older than average.

    Was this a weekend or in the week ?

    We used to go to hotel/dinner stays at weekends a few years back. Now we go in the week as it’s cheaper and I no longer work. I’m 59 wife 57
    This was weekend. But it always was! The clue is that I'm still working....
    Counterpoint: looking to book a couple of nights in Central London with better half. Decent but not exotic hotels (e.g. Radissons / Park Plazas) £400 a night during the week, £200 a night at weekend.

    (No I'm not a particular fan of Radisson but got top status with them via a loyalty hack, so they work out good vfm)
    Try the Caesar in Paddington. Both the wife and I use it when in London. Often c.£150 if prebooked. Upgrade for about £20 - the newly done rooms are a delight, the breakfasts are superb, the staff very professional. Very quiet, rarely hear sirens going past. About a 7 minute walk from Paddington, about the same to Lancaster Gate to get on the Central Line.

    https://www.thecaesarhotel.com/en
    Thanks, had a look, still £370 a night for 2nd most basic room, with breakfast.

    (Most basic room was 14m2 😲)

    My sympathies. Hotel rooms in all great western cities are now insanely expensive. Paris is possibly worse than London

    No one in the industry - that I’ve met - has a simple explanation for why

    Quite regular rooms in good london hotels are now costing four figures
    Immediately post-COVID I would understand it, everybody locked up, didn't spend much money etc. But now, I can't work out how people are affording it. Same with things like concert and sports tickets (although we are seeing cricket struggling to shift tickets these days for internationals). Are they sticking it all on their flexible friend and paying via Klarna, with a massive crash to hit in a couple of years?
    Yes it was assumed it was a post pando phenomenon. But it’s just continued

    Almost like a cartelisation of the market….
    Holidays nowadays are prohibitively expensive. My assumption is that hoidays are, at a high level, fungible - and worldwide, the number of people in the market for a nice holiday has increased. So my week in Cornwall is more expensive because there are more rich Asians going to Italy (though rumour has it that there are far fewer Chinese than was previously thought...)
    That’s actually one of the better theories I’ve heard. Surely something in that

    You can still find amazing places that are cheap. You just gotta be imaginative, daring and flexible

    This is not easy for families with young kids, unfortunately
    I've just booked a train jaunt along the french and italian rivieras and up into the swiss alps in August. Nine days, average £48pppn for the hotels (two sharing).

    The key, as you suggest, is not to pick where to go first.
    That’s fantastic. Enjoy

    And yes being flexible is essential

    You can find places in nice sunny parts of France that are good value in summer. Just think outside the
    box. See that Aveyron piece in the Mail I linked earlier

    Trouble is young families with kids are the opposite of flexible
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,658
    One for the few defenders of Assad's regime on here:

    "Secret Syrian intelligence files show missing US journalist was imprisoned by Assad regime"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn84z5e8jjzo
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,495

    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    Political colossus Jacinda Ardern interviewed by two fawning centrists.

    The Rest is Politics.

    Enjoy, the many fans of here we have here.

    https://x.com/restispolitics/status/1929518998288240902?s=61

    What could you of all people, one of this site's greatest centrists, have against the wonderful Jacinda?

    She has a book coming out - I'm sure you'll be purchasing...
    I shall rejoin audible just to get it !!

    With Jacinda, I think it's a case of "love the sinner, hate the sin". I don't understand the personal animus some have towards her.
    Misogyny.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,109
    edited June 2

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    My company has just sent an internal memo around that's utterly scathing of the UK-EU defence pact.

    It says it's celebrated by the Government as a triumph but a closer examination of its provisions reveals troubling compromises that may undermine
    British sovereignty and military autonomy while offering only marginal economic benefits.

    Remember the Golden Rule of Starmer-Reeves, everything this Labour government does - sooner or later it turns out to be damaging for the UK

    EVERY. SINGLE. THING
    Key points:

    1) Agreement’s provisions represent a shift toward reintegration with EU military structures, bypassing parliament. While HMG touts access to the EU’s €8 billion European Defence Fund (EDF) as a win, enabling UK firms like BAE Systems to bid for collaborative projects in drone tech and cybersecurity, the fine print reveals heavy constraints. British companies must partner with EU-led consortia, often as juniors, with 60% of project work required to occur in EU states, limiting UK roles to niche tasks. Worse, Britain gains no voting rights in the European Defence Agency (EDA), locking it into a “rule-taker” status reminiscent of Norway’s associate membership.

    2) Agreement prioritises EU defence coordination mechanisms, potentially constraining Britain’s freedom to leverage global partnerships. By aligning with the EDA, the UK risks gradual entanglement in EU regulatory frameworks for AI and emissions standards. These standards are set without British input, which could erode autonomy in emerging technologies like hypersonic weapons. Britain has traded long-term strategic flexibility for short-term export gains estimated at a modest £150–200 million annually.

    3) While HMG highlights EDF access as a lifeline for SMEs, the reality is participation risks tech transfer demands, where EU partners may require sharing proprietary UK intellectual property. Certification alignment, though streamlining exports for firms, tacitly surrenders regulatory autonomy. The defence industrial collaboration appears one-sided: British firms gain limited project slots but must adhere to EU procurement rules, stifling innovation and relegating them to peripheral roles in flagship initiatives like FCAS.

    4) Agreement emphasises cooperation with EU structures like PESCO,
    creating overlap with NATO without concrete safeguards. Critics argue tailored bilateral deals with France or Germany could have delivered similar benefits without institutional entanglements. Instead, the UK faces a paradox: modest commercial opportunities offset by gradual absorption into Europe’s regulatory orbit, diminishing its independence.

    Conclusion: a series of concessions - while deeper security cooperation has merit, this prioritises short term diplomacy over long term strategy. The EDF’s limited revenue streams pale against the risks of sovereignty erosion and regulatory subordination. For a nation that once championed “Global Britain,” this feels less like a rebirth and more like a retreat into Europe’s shadow.
    Another Brexit benefit. Of course.
    Your boy signed up to a bucket of shit.

    It was all fine before.
    Starmer isn't clearing up Johnson and Frost's enormous pile of excrement at a swift enough rate.
    Yeah, except he isn't, is he? He's found a small skidmark on an old pair of undies no-one uses anymore, and had chucked away, and has instead decided to muckspread an entire tanker full of manure all over his house and say THERE.. WE HOLD ALL THE CARDS!
    Bit of a shit analogy, Johnson and Frost's deal is what the UK is using currently except for the bits that are being renegotiated.
    As predicted the UK totally shat it's own bed with Brexit, also as predicted those responsible for the shat had no cogent plan for post-Brexit and it's the people who wanted to stay in who are having to make the best of it.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,693

    carnforth said:

    Even the Germans are at it:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y8jmkr3j7o

    "German police will undertake a new search in Portugal this week as part of ongoing investigations into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann."

    These new leads always seem to come at this time of year.
    I remember when the South Yorkshire plods inevitably disgraced themselves after getting the government to give them £1.15m for their 'investigation':

    A senior policeman investigating the disappearance of Ben Needham on a Greek island has been summoned back to the UK amid reports members of his team went on an eight-hour drinking session.

    Police are investigating a report in The Sun , external that officers spent an evening drinking wine and beer after launching a new appeal for information.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-36273608
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,846

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    PJH said:

    Taz said:

    PJH said:

    On cost of living - a couple of weeks ago I treated myself and my girlfriend to a night in a nice hotel - not super-expensive but more per night than I would usually pay. Nice and comfortable, dinner also a bit on the pricey side, the sort of occasional one-off I used to do for wedding anniversaries or milestone birthdays when I was married.

    When I used to spend a night like this before, perhaps 10+ years ago, the majority of people staying were the age I am now, 50s. This time, of the people at breakfast, we were clearly the only ones of working age, apart from two of a 3-generation family group who'd been staying for a party the night before. Pensioners have the money now, not working people. O/T that may reflect in some of the answers, e.g. Reform appear to be the travellers - they skew older than average.

    Was this a weekend or in the week ?

    We used to go to hotel/dinner stays at weekends a few years back. Now we go in the week as it’s cheaper and I no longer work. I’m 59 wife 57
    This was weekend. But it always was! The clue is that I'm still working....
    Counterpoint: looking to book a couple of nights in Central London with better half. Decent but not exotic hotels (e.g. Radissons / Park Plazas) £400 a night during the week, £200 a night at weekend.

    (No I'm not a particular fan of Radisson but got top status with them via a loyalty hack, so they work out good vfm)
    Try the Caesar in Paddington. Both the wife and I use it when in London. Often c.£150 if prebooked. Upgrade for about £20 - the newly done rooms are a delight, the breakfasts are superb, the staff very professional. Very quiet, rarely hear sirens going past. About a 7 minute walk from Paddington, about the same to Lancaster Gate to get on the Central Line.

    https://www.thecaesarhotel.com/en
    Thanks, had a look, still £370 a night for 2nd most basic room, with breakfast.

    (Most basic room was 14m2 😲)

    My sympathies. Hotel rooms in all great western cities are now insanely expensive. Paris is possibly worse than London

    No one in the industry - that I’ve met - has a simple explanation for why

    Quite regular rooms in good london hotels are now costing four figures
    Immediately post-COVID I would understand it, everybody locked up, didn't spend much money etc. But now, I can't work out how people are affording it. Same with things like concert and sports tickets (although we are seeing cricket struggling to shift tickets these days for internationals). Are they sticking it all on their flexible friend and paying via Klarna, with a massive crash to hit in a couple of years?
    Yes it was assumed it was a post pando phenomenon. But it’s just continued

    Almost like a cartelisation of the market….
    Holidays nowadays are prohibitively expensive. My assumption is that hoidays are, at a high level, fungible - and worldwide, the number of people in the market for a nice holiday has increased. So my week in Cornwall is more expensive because there are more rich Asians going to Italy (though rumour has it that there are far fewer Chinese than was previously thought...)
    That’s actually one of the better theories I’ve heard. Surely something in that

    You can still find amazing places that are cheap. You just gotta be imaginative, daring and flexible

    This is not easy for families with young kids, unfortunately
    Actually, a friend of mine has suggested tbat your best bet for a good quality family holiday at prices as they were 15 years ago is Germany. Which does appeal to me. Though I'm not sure how it would appeal to my teen- and pre-teen girls.
    It’s boring. And the food is shit

    Try Eastern Europe
    Recently I found even big-city prices in Sofia and Bucharest were more than reasonable. I still haven't "done" Transylvania (apart from a long weekend in Cluj),must get round to it
    I am a bit spoiled by having a Transylvanian deli within walking distance. Lots of very nice treats to be had. And great sausages for Autumn/Winter slow-cooked stews.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,058
    Leon said:

    This is the future for the west. Authoritarian populist hard right democracy

    Nayib Bukele of El Salvador has 85.2% approval rating after 6 years in office. By slamming all the bad people in jail for a long long time, and ignoring the bleating of the liberals and the Economist


    https://x.com/cguanacas/status/1929548983422071202?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    https://x.com/prensagrafica/status/1929538497913725359?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I predict that the first major western leader to do a Bukele will be similarly popular

    I bet Bukele doesn't have a squabble of human rights lawyers pulling the rug from under him at every turn

  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,231
    Dopermean said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    My company has just sent an internal memo around that's utterly scathing of the UK-EU defence pact.

    It says it's celebrated by the Government as a triumph but a closer examination of its provisions reveals troubling compromises that may undermine
    British sovereignty and military autonomy while offering only marginal economic benefits.

    Remember the Golden Rule of Starmer-Reeves, everything this Labour government does - sooner or later it turns out to be damaging for the UK

    EVERY. SINGLE. THING
    Key points:

    1) Agreement’s provisions represent a shift toward reintegration with EU military structures, bypassing parliament. While HMG touts access to the EU’s €8 billion European Defence Fund (EDF) as a win, enabling UK firms like BAE Systems to bid for collaborative projects in drone tech and cybersecurity, the fine print reveals heavy constraints. British companies must partner with EU-led consortia, often as juniors, with 60% of project work required to occur in EU states, limiting UK roles to niche tasks. Worse, Britain gains no voting rights in the European Defence Agency (EDA), locking it into a “rule-taker” status reminiscent of Norway’s associate membership.

    2) Agreement prioritises EU defence coordination mechanisms, potentially constraining Britain’s freedom to leverage global partnerships. By aligning with the EDA, the UK risks gradual entanglement in EU regulatory frameworks for AI and emissions standards. These standards are set without British input, which could erode autonomy in emerging technologies like hypersonic weapons. Britain has traded long-term strategic flexibility for short-term export gains estimated at a modest £150–200 million annually.

    3) While HMG highlights EDF access as a lifeline for SMEs, the reality is participation risks tech transfer demands, where EU partners may require sharing proprietary UK intellectual property. Certification alignment, though streamlining exports for firms, tacitly surrenders regulatory autonomy. The defence industrial collaboration appears one-sided: British firms gain limited project slots but must adhere to EU procurement rules, stifling innovation and relegating them to peripheral roles in flagship initiatives like FCAS.

    4) Agreement emphasises cooperation with EU structures like PESCO,
    creating overlap with NATO without concrete safeguards. Critics argue tailored bilateral deals with France or Germany could have delivered similar benefits without institutional entanglements. Instead, the UK faces a paradox: modest commercial opportunities offset by gradual absorption into Europe’s regulatory orbit, diminishing its independence.

    Conclusion: a series of concessions - while deeper security cooperation has merit, this prioritises short term diplomacy over long term strategy. The EDF’s limited revenue streams pale against the risks of sovereignty erosion and regulatory subordination. For a nation that once championed “Global Britain,” this feels less like a rebirth and more like a retreat into Europe’s shadow.
    Another Brexit benefit. Of course.
    Your boy signed up to a bucket of shit.

    It was all fine before.
    Starmer isn't clearing up Johnson and Frost's enormous pile of excrement at a swift enough rate.
    Yeah, except he isn't, is he? He's found a small skidmark on an old pair of undies no-one uses anymore, and had chucked away, and has instead decided to muckspread an entire tanker full of manure all over his house and say THERE.. WE HOLD ALL THE CARDS!
    Bit of a shit analogy, Johnson and Frost's deal is what the UK is using currently except for the bits that are being renegotiated.
    As predicted the UK totally shat it's own bed with Brexit, also as predicted those responsible for the shat had no cogent plan for post-Brexit and it's the people who wanted to stay in who are having to make the best of it.
    If the UK 'shat the bed' then how come since 2010 "despite Brexit" and despite "shitting the bed" the UK has grown faster than Europe?

    Just how much faster than them would we have grown had we not "shat the bed" or Brexited in your eyes?

    Its a load of crap. There's been no meaningful economic change, just whining of some vested interests and some people who can't get over losing.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,554
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    John Rentoul isn’t happy with Sadiq Khan branding Robert Jenrick ‘Mr Ozempic’

    Responding to legitimate & indirect criticism with personal insult is low

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1929554758815175001?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Rentoul is very anti any sort of low blow, he hates anyone using 'liar'
    I have to say, Oi Fatty is a bit pathetic even by Khan's standard
    Speaking to Times Radio on Monday, the London mayor said: “What I find ironic, and it’s an example of the chutzpah of Mr Ozempic, is that he was in government when the government cut more than a billion pounds from their police budget.

    “He was in government when the government removed Transport for London’s [TfL] operating grant, and now he’s criticising the consequences of the cuts in policing and TfL made by his government.

    “What was he in 2010, 2024 when those cuts were being made in our policing? Where was he in 2015 when the government cut their operating grant to TfL?”

    Jenrick has been in parliament since 2014, when he was first elected to be the MP for Newark.

    He was a minister under Theresa May, Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak.

    Khan said that while “fare evasion is an issue” – and has been for some time – he has overseen investment in enforcement officers, body-worn videos, CCTV and in the police.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/khan-dubs-jenrick-mr-ozempic-in-spat-over-tube-fare-dodgers_uk_683d9707e4b095a13840fbd4
    Valid points.
    Valid points but I don't think Khan should be using the term "Mr Ozempic".

    If Jenrick has taken weight-loss medication I assume it's for health reasons. Would Khan brand someone Mr Nicorette Patch? Or Mr Anti-statin?

    It's not as if there's a shortage of genuine issues with Jenrick to go after.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,515
    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    This is the future for the west. Authoritarian populist hard right democracy

    Nayib Bukele of El Salvador has 85.2% approval rating after 6 years in office. By slamming all the bad people in jail for a long long time, and ignoring the bleating of the liberals and the Economist


    https://x.com/cguanacas/status/1929548983422071202?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    https://x.com/prensagrafica/status/1929538497913725359?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I predict that the first major western leader to do a Bukele will be similarly popular

    I bet Bukele doesn't have a squabble of human rights lawyers pulling the rug from under him at every turn

    He has a very good line about needing to do what the developed West did, not what the developed West tells them to do.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,108

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    My company has just sent an internal memo around that's utterly scathing of the UK-EU defence pact.

    It says it's celebrated by the Government as a triumph but a closer examination of its provisions reveals troubling compromises that may undermine
    British sovereignty and military autonomy while offering only marginal economic benefits.

    Remember the Golden Rule of Starmer-Reeves, everything this Labour government does - sooner or later it turns out to be damaging for the UK

    EVERY. SINGLE. THING
    Key points:

    1) Agreement’s provisions represent a shift toward reintegration with EU military structures, bypassing parliament. While HMG touts access to the EU’s €8 billion European Defence Fund (EDF) as a win, enabling UK firms like BAE Systems to bid for collaborative projects in drone tech and cybersecurity, the fine print reveals heavy constraints. British companies must partner with EU-led consortia, often as juniors, with 60% of project work required to occur in EU states, limiting UK roles to niche tasks. Worse, Britain gains no voting rights in the European Defence Agency (EDA), locking it into a “rule-taker” status reminiscent of Norway’s associate membership.

    2) Agreement prioritises EU defence coordination mechanisms, potentially constraining Britain’s freedom to leverage global partnerships. By aligning with the EDA, the UK risks gradual entanglement in EU regulatory frameworks for AI and emissions standards. These standards are set without British input, which could erode autonomy in emerging technologies like hypersonic weapons. Britain has traded long-term strategic flexibility for short-term export gains estimated at a modest £150–200 million annually.

    3) While HMG highlights EDF access as a lifeline for SMEs, the reality is participation risks tech transfer demands, where EU partners may require sharing proprietary UK intellectual property. Certification alignment, though streamlining exports for firms, tacitly surrenders regulatory autonomy. The defence industrial collaboration appears one-sided: British firms gain limited project slots but must adhere to EU procurement rules, stifling innovation and relegating them to peripheral roles in flagship initiatives like FCAS.

    4) Agreement emphasises cooperation with EU structures like PESCO,
    creating overlap with NATO without concrete safeguards. Critics argue tailored bilateral deals with France or Germany could have delivered similar benefits without institutional entanglements. Instead, the UK faces a paradox: modest commercial opportunities offset by gradual absorption into Europe’s regulatory orbit, diminishing its independence.

    Conclusion: a series of concessions - while deeper security cooperation has merit, this prioritises short term diplomacy over long term strategy. The EDF’s limited revenue streams pale against the risks of sovereignty erosion and regulatory subordination. For a nation that once championed “Global Britain,” this feels less like a rebirth and more like a retreat into Europe’s shadow.
    Another Brexit benefit. Of course.
    Your boy signed up to a bucket of shit.

    It was all fine before.
    Starmer isn't clearing up Johnson and Frost's enormous pile of excrement at a swift enough rate.
    Yeah, except he isn't, is he? He's found a small skidmark on an old pair of undies no-one uses anymore, and had chucked away, and has instead decided to muckspread an entire tanker full of manure all over his house and say THERE.. WE HOLD ALL THE CARDS!
    Oh dear! Have you forgotten Johnson and Frost's "oven ready for the microwave" deal. You remember, the one that put a customs demarcation in the Irish Sea.

    Starmer may have achieved the square root of SFA but in terms of trade and defence arrangements with Europe, they may be disappointing, but they are still head and shoulders better than Johnson's dog's breakfast.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,078
    .

    Leon said:

    WHY IS GERMAN FOOD SO TERRIBLE

    Also, Holland. And eastern France. It’s shit

    Also why is it called a hamburger when its not made from ham? ;)
    In German it depends how you pronounce it. You eat a hemberger, but never a humboorger if you value your liberty.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,674
    Leon said:

    This is the future for the west. Authoritarian populist hard right democracy

    Nayib Bukele of El Salvador has 85.2% approval rating after 6 years in office. By slamming all the bad people in jail for a long long time, and ignoring the bleating of the liberals and the Economist


    https://x.com/cguanacas/status/1929548983422071202?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    https://x.com/prensagrafica/status/1929538497913725359?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I predict that the first major western leader to do a Bukele will be similarly popular

    Putin has 85% approval ratings too.

    Authoritarian leaders are good at suppressing dissent, in any form: What else is new?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,231

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    My company has just sent an internal memo around that's utterly scathing of the UK-EU defence pact.

    It says it's celebrated by the Government as a triumph but a closer examination of its provisions reveals troubling compromises that may undermine
    British sovereignty and military autonomy while offering only marginal economic benefits.

    Remember the Golden Rule of Starmer-Reeves, everything this Labour government does - sooner or later it turns out to be damaging for the UK

    EVERY. SINGLE. THING
    Key points:

    1) Agreement’s provisions represent a shift toward reintegration with EU military structures, bypassing parliament. While HMG touts access to the EU’s €8 billion European Defence Fund (EDF) as a win, enabling UK firms like BAE Systems to bid for collaborative projects in drone tech and cybersecurity, the fine print reveals heavy constraints. British companies must partner with EU-led consortia, often as juniors, with 60% of project work required to occur in EU states, limiting UK roles to niche tasks. Worse, Britain gains no voting rights in the European Defence Agency (EDA), locking it into a “rule-taker” status reminiscent of Norway’s associate membership.

    2) Agreement prioritises EU defence coordination mechanisms, potentially constraining Britain’s freedom to leverage global partnerships. By aligning with the EDA, the UK risks gradual entanglement in EU regulatory frameworks for AI and emissions standards. These standards are set without British input, which could erode autonomy in emerging technologies like hypersonic weapons. Britain has traded long-term strategic flexibility for short-term export gains estimated at a modest £150–200 million annually.

    3) While HMG highlights EDF access as a lifeline for SMEs, the reality is participation risks tech transfer demands, where EU partners may require sharing proprietary UK intellectual property. Certification alignment, though streamlining exports for firms, tacitly surrenders regulatory autonomy. The defence industrial collaboration appears one-sided: British firms gain limited project slots but must adhere to EU procurement rules, stifling innovation and relegating them to peripheral roles in flagship initiatives like FCAS.

    4) Agreement emphasises cooperation with EU structures like PESCO,
    creating overlap with NATO without concrete safeguards. Critics argue tailored bilateral deals with France or Germany could have delivered similar benefits without institutional entanglements. Instead, the UK faces a paradox: modest commercial opportunities offset by gradual absorption into Europe’s regulatory orbit, diminishing its independence.

    Conclusion: a series of concessions - while deeper security cooperation has merit, this prioritises short term diplomacy over long term strategy. The EDF’s limited revenue streams pale against the risks of sovereignty erosion and regulatory subordination. For a nation that once championed “Global Britain,” this feels less like a rebirth and more like a retreat into Europe’s shadow.
    Another Brexit benefit. Of course.
    Your boy signed up to a bucket of shit.

    It was all fine before.
    Starmer isn't clearing up Johnson and Frost's enormous pile of excrement at a swift enough rate.
    Yeah, except he isn't, is he? He's found a small skidmark on an old pair of undies no-one uses anymore, and had chucked away, and has instead decided to muckspread an entire tanker full of manure all over his house and say THERE.. WE HOLD ALL THE CARDS!
    Oh dear! Have you forgotten Johnson and Frost's "oven ready for the microwave" deal. You remember, the one that put a customs demarcation in the Irish Sea.

    Starmer may have achieved the square root of SFA but in terms of trade and defence arrangements with Europe, they may be disappointing, but they are still head and shoulders better than Johnson's dog's breakfast.
    Johnson's deal was a good deal that got us out of the EU, not paying into Europe anymore, able to make our own rules, able to sign our own trade deals, and we kept free trade with Europe.

    Everything Vote Leave promised.

    If it pissed off a few people in Northern Ireland, then so frigging what? They're never happy with anything anyway.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,844

    Leon said:

    New theory: anywhere with heavy industry or mining has shit food, even now - or they have only recently recovered (Britain) - because for decades or even centuries the emphasis was on producing the quickest and heaviest calories for really hungry people with not much time and no room for discernment


    A possibly related theory is that every European country has an industrial north where beer is brewed and a holiday resort south where wine is made.
    I’ve generally been impressed by pub food in County Durham, although the quantities seem to assume you’re working in the Pit, or on the land.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,844
    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    PJH said:

    Taz said:

    PJH said:

    On cost of living - a couple of weeks ago I treated myself and my girlfriend to a night in a nice hotel - not super-expensive but more per night than I would usually pay. Nice and comfortable, dinner also a bit on the pricey side, the sort of occasional one-off I used to do for wedding anniversaries or milestone birthdays when I was married.

    When I used to spend a night like this before, perhaps 10+ years ago, the majority of people staying were the age I am now, 50s. This time, of the people at breakfast, we were clearly the only ones of working age, apart from two of a 3-generation family group who'd been staying for a party the night before. Pensioners have the money now, not working people. O/T that may reflect in some of the answers, e.g. Reform appear to be the travellers - they skew older than average.

    Was this a weekend or in the week ?

    We used to go to hotel/dinner stays at weekends a few years back. Now we go in the week as it’s cheaper and I no longer work. I’m 59 wife 57
    This was weekend. But it always was! The clue is that I'm still working....
    Counterpoint: looking to book a couple of nights in Central London with better half. Decent but not exotic hotels (e.g. Radissons / Park Plazas) £400 a night during the week, £200 a night at weekend.

    (No I'm not a particular fan of Radisson but got top status with them via a loyalty hack, so they work out good vfm)
    Try the Caesar in Paddington. Both the wife and I use it when in London. Often c.£150 if prebooked. Upgrade for about £20 - the newly done rooms are a delight, the breakfasts are superb, the staff very professional. Very quiet, rarely hear sirens going past. About a 7 minute walk from Paddington, about the same to Lancaster Gate to get on the Central Line.

    https://www.thecaesarhotel.com/en
    Thanks, had a look, still £370 a night for 2nd most basic room, with breakfast.

    (Most basic room was 14m2 😲)

    My sympathies. Hotel rooms in all great western cities are now insanely expensive. Paris is possibly worse than London

    No one in the industry - that I’ve met - has a simple explanation for why

    Quite regular rooms in good london hotels are now costing four figures
    Immediately post-COVID I would understand it, everybody locked up, didn't spend much money etc. But now, I can't work out how people are affording it. Same with things like concert and sports tickets (although we are seeing cricket struggling to shift tickets these days for internationals). Are they sticking it all on their flexible friend and paying via Klarna, with a massive crash to hit in a couple of years?
    Yes it was assumed it was a post pando phenomenon. But it’s just continued

    Almost like a cartelisation of the market….
    Holidays nowadays are prohibitively expensive. My assumption is that hoidays are, at a high level, fungible - and worldwide, the number of people in the market for a nice holiday has increased. So my week in Cornwall is more expensive because there are more rich Asians going to Italy (though rumour has it that there are far fewer Chinese than was previously thought...)
    That’s actually one of the better theories I’ve heard. Surely something in that

    You can still find amazing places that are cheap. You just gotta be imaginative, daring and flexible

    This is not easy for families with young kids, unfortunately
    I've just booked a train jaunt along the french and italian rivieras and up into the swiss alps in August. Nine days, average £48pppn for the hotels (two sharing).

    The key, as you suggest, is not to pick where to go first.
    That’s fantastic. Enjoy

    And yes being flexible is essential

    You can find places in nice sunny parts of France that are good value in summer. Just think outside the
    box. See that Aveyron piece in the Mail I linked earlier

    Trouble is young families with kids are the opposite of flexible
    Naples I’ve always found very good value.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,554

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    John Rentoul isn’t happy with Sadiq Khan branding Robert Jenrick ‘Mr Ozempic’

    Responding to legitimate & indirect criticism with personal insult is low

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1929554758815175001?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Rentoul is very anti any sort of low blow, he hates anyone using 'liar'
    I have to say, Oi Fatty is a bit pathetic even by Khan's standard
    Speaking to Times Radio on Monday, the London mayor said: “What I find ironic, and it’s an example of the chutzpah of Mr Ozempic, is that he was in government when the government cut more than a billion pounds from their police budget.

    “He was in government when the government removed Transport for London’s [TfL] operating grant, and now he’s criticising the consequences of the cuts in policing and TfL made by his government.

    “What was he in 2010, 2024 when those cuts were being made in our policing? Where was he in 2015 when the government cut their operating grant to TfL?”

    Jenrick has been in parliament since 2014, when he was first elected to be the MP for Newark.

    He was a minister under Theresa May, Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak.

    Khan said that while “fare evasion is an issue” – and has been for some time – he has overseen investment in enforcement officers, body-worn videos, CCTV and in the police.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/khan-dubs-jenrick-mr-ozempic-in-spat-over-tube-fare-dodgers_uk_683d9707e4b095a13840fbd4
    Valid points.
    Valid points but I don't think Khan should be using the term "Mr Ozempic".

    If Jenrick has taken weight-loss medication I assume it's for health reasons. Would Khan brand someone Mr Nicorette Patch? Or Mr Anti-statin?

    It's not as if there's a shortage of genuine issues with Jenrick to go after.
    Apols to Leon who made this same point 50 mins ago.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,231
    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    Political colossus Jacinda Ardern interviewed by two fawning centrists.

    The Rest is Politics.

    Enjoy, the many fans of here we have here.

    https://x.com/restispolitics/status/1929518998288240902?s=61

    What could you of all people, one of this site's greatest centrists, have against the wonderful Jacinda?

    She has a book coming out - I'm sure you'll be purchasing...
    I shall rejoin audible just to get it !!

    With Jacinda, I think it's a case of "love the sinner, hate the sin". I don't understand the personal animus some have towards her.
    Misogyny.
    Its no more misogynistic to criticise Ardern than it is to criticise Truss.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,775
    Leon said:

    geoffw said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Stereodog said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    'Having a BBQ',
    Lol, reach for the fucking stars

    Simple pleasures of life. I love this time of year. Sitting outside, in the evening light at 9.00 pm. NINE PM! A cool glass of something in hand and taking in the roses first flush. Life is not all about thrill seeking.
    I agree with that. I love picnics - possibly my favourite thing about summer. Is that sad?

    No it’s simple. Fresh air, countryside, beautiful views, good friends and good chat, a nice glass of cold Mullerthal Pinot Blanc with dreamy creamy grassy Brie de meaux on fresh Borough sourdough


    That's just in your imagination. Picnics are never like that in reality. You haven't been on one for years, if at all.

    Where picnics do work, however, is at (sporting, social) events where the picnicking is curated (eg Glyndebourne, No.1 Car Park at the Royal Meeting, or a point to point).

    Then they are just marvellous. And some of the best such picnics I have had have been in the driving sleet and freezing cold with everyone clutching their glasses of whisky and the rosé still in the car untouched.
    They still get plagued by wasps.

    Or worse, some idiot who goes insane in the company of a wasp - and insists on swatting it into my face.
    The wasp averse (that don't have medical issues with them) are a comical lot - hysterical overreacters
    Could be childhood trauma. I'm swan adverse after being attacked by one whilst strapped in my pushchair. My completely loving parents had a terrible record of being somewhere else when bad things happened. They once lost me during an earthquake in Crete as they were sampling the delights of the hotel buffet when it hit.
    Being attacked by a Swan is a bit more serious than a wasp sting though. But trauma would, I guess, constitute a medical issue rather than just being a massive wasp cry baby
    A wasp sting on your tongue is quite a big deal.

    Don't eat them? Or at very least don't shriek and flap and give them access to your tongue
    Happened to me at scout camp seventy years ago. The wasp was as keen on the Tizer (anyone?) as I was ...

    Are we past the lagershed?

    I have a story. A few years ago when I was on assignment in kefalonia with my then wife (the 22 year old beautiful corbynite) the local tourist authority gave us a magnificent villa all to ourselves with stupendous views

    This made me all excited (anything free makes me excited) also my wife was really hot and liked to sunbathe naked

    Nature took its course so I grabbed her by the pool and threw her on the outdoor table on the terrace and ravished her there and then

    She seemed to be in ecstasy - moaning wordlessly - so when I was done I slumped onto a chair feeling masculine and virile and highly skilled in the arts of outdoor love

    A few glasses of assyrtiko later she revealed that no, she wasn’t in ecstasy, she was in deep pain because she was being stung by so many wasps

    Shocked, I asked her why the f she didn’t tell me to stop. She said “well you seemed to be enjoying yourself so much” (she was quite sub)

    Even now she refers to it as the Wasp Rape Incident
    Just sayin’, could imply that you’re hung like a wasp.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,846
    HYUFD said:

    C4 news just had a report from the Hamilton by election and found a voter who had voted Reform on the basis that Sarwar represented 'the Pakistani community not Scots.' Somewhat concerning about the message that could come from a strong Reform result on Thursday if they do indeed beat Labour or even take the seat from the SNP, Swinney was warning about Farage and Reform 'racism' when interviewed

    I'm sure Swinney is delighted to have Reform as an us-vs-them Piñata. Splits the Labour and Tory vote.

    I do wish Reform would just go after Sarwar on the clear grounds that he's posh and rubbish though. It'd be a lot less polarising.

  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,055

    AnneJGP said:

    Stereodog said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    'Having a BBQ',
    Lol, reach for the fucking stars

    Simple pleasures of life. I love this time of year. Sitting outside, in the evening light at 9.00 pm. NINE PM! A cool glass of something in hand and taking in the roses first flush. Life is not all about thrill seeking.
    I agree with that. I love picnics - possibly my favourite thing about summer. Is that sad?

    No it’s simple. Fresh air, countryside, beautiful views, good friends and good chat, a nice glass of cold Mullerthal Pinot Blanc with dreamy creamy grassy Brie de meaux on fresh Borough sourdough


    That's just in your imagination. Picnics are never like that in reality. You haven't been on one for years, if at all.

    Where picnics do work, however, is at (sporting, social) events where the picnicking is curated (eg Glyndebourne, No.1 Car Park at the Royal Meeting, or a point to point).

    Then they are just marvellous. And some of the best such picnics I have had have been in the driving sleet and freezing cold with everyone clutching their glasses of whisky and the rosé still in the car untouched.
    They still get plagued by wasps.

    Or worse, some idiot who goes insane in the company of a wasp - and insists on swatting it into my face.
    The wasp averse (that don't have medical issues with them) are a comical lot - hysterical overreacters
    Could be childhood trauma. I'm swan adverse after being attacked by one whilst strapped in my pushchair. My completely loving parents had a terrible record of being somewhere else when bad things happened. They once lost me during an earthquake in Crete as they were sampling the delights of the hotel buffet when it hit.
    Being attacked by a Swan is a bit more serious than a wasp sting though. But trauma would, I guess, constitute a medical issue rather than just being a massive wasp cry baby
    A wasp sting on your tongue is quite a big deal.

    Don't eat them? Or at very least don't shriek and flap and give them access to your tongue
    When I was about eleven or twelve, I was cutting grass with a finger mower (*) on an old Fergie (**) tractor when a wasp got tangled in my long hair. I could feel it moving and buzzing around in my hair, and tried to sweep it out with my hand whilst maintaining an even mow. A big mistake; it ended up stinging me on the scalp, and we ended up with an area of grass that was somewhat unevenly shorn. You could almost trace my fight with the beast in the grass's cut.

    I've always wondered if that's why I've always preferred shorter haircuts. Either that, or my brother threatening to cut my hair with a finger mower... ;)

    (*) A blooming deadly-looking thing, which I've always thought would create a good scene from a horror movie. Perhaps on a vehicle somewhat faster than a Fergie though.
    (**) That tractor's still in the family, and has recently been restored. I want to drive it again. Hopefully without a wasp this time.
    Never heard of a finger mower so I looked it up. It appears to be a hedge trimmer for cutting grass. Weird. What’s wrong with normal mowers?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,435
    Just read the SDR.

    I must say, whilst good on strategy it's very light on detail and anything that might smack of a real spending commitment. What little there is are mainly rehashes or the odd billion here or billion there, which are nothing in the context of a 50-60bn annual budget over 10 years.

    It seems the Government might have taken quite a bit out to avoid being boxed in from a budgetary perspective.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,435
    Just read the SDR.

    I must say, whilst good on strategy it's very light on detail and anything that might smack of a real spending commitment. What little there is are mainly rehashes or the odd billion here or billion there, which are nothing in the context of a 50-60bn annual budget over 10 years.

    It seems the Government might have taken quite a bit out to avoid being boxed in from a budgetary perspective.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,831
    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    C4 news just had a report from the Hamilton by election and found a voter who had voted Reform on the basis that Sarwar represented 'the Pakistani community not Scots.' Somewhat concerning about the message that could come from a strong Reform result on Thursday if they do indeed beat Labour or even take the seat from the SNP, Swinney was warning about Farage and Reform 'racism' when interviewed

    I'm sure Swinney is delighted to have Reform as an us-vs-them Piñata. Splits the Labour and Tory vote.

    I do wish Reform would just go after Sarwar on the clear grounds that he's posh and rubbish though. It'd be a lot less polarising.

    What's the basis for that critique, though?

    Copyright infringement?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,008
    Just finished watching The Bombing of Pan AM 103.

    It's a very fine piece of storytelling indeed. As well as the detective work to track down the bombers, it hits a very fine line of being touching without ever being cloying.

    Highly recommended.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,055

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    John Rentoul isn’t happy with Sadiq Khan branding Robert Jenrick ‘Mr Ozempic’

    Responding to legitimate & indirect criticism with personal insult is low

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1929554758815175001?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Rentoul is very anti any sort of low blow, he hates anyone using 'liar'
    I have to say, Oi Fatty is a bit pathetic even by Khan's standard
    Speaking to Times Radio on Monday, the London mayor said: “What I find ironic, and it’s an example of the chutzpah of Mr Ozempic, is that he was in government when the government cut more than a billion pounds from their police budget.

    “He was in government when the government removed Transport for London’s [TfL] operating grant, and now he’s criticising the consequences of the cuts in policing and TfL made by his government.

    “What was he in 2010, 2024 when those cuts were being made in our policing? Where was he in 2015 when the government cut their operating grant to TfL?”

    Jenrick has been in parliament since 2014, when he was first elected to be the MP for Newark.

    He was a minister under Theresa May, Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak.

    Khan said that while “fare evasion is an issue” – and has been for some time – he has overseen investment in enforcement officers, body-worn videos, CCTV and in the police.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/khan-dubs-jenrick-mr-ozempic-in-spat-over-tube-fare-dodgers_uk_683d9707e4b095a13840fbd4
    Valid points.
    Valid points but I don't think Khan should be using the term "Mr Ozempic".

    If Jenrick has taken weight-loss medication I assume it's for health reasons. Would Khan brand someone Mr Nicorette Patch? Or Mr Anti-statin?

    It's not as if there's a shortage of genuine issues with Jenrick to go after.
    It may not be health reasons other than to lose weight, but so what if he has? Weight seems one of the last remaining things that can be used as insults. Overweight people are lazy, greedy, etc. If they just ate less and moved more all would be well. Except of course it’s not quite that simple. So for some using ozempic to lose weight is cheating.
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