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  • You should wear whatever you feel comfortable in. Obviously, there will be times when a certain style/ formality will have to kick in, but the rest of the time- follow your own code, and feck everybody else.

    No, that selfish and lazy and also makes you look like shit.

    Men look fantastic in a great suit, jacket or formal attire and you should take pride in your appearance, and cop the respect too.
    You imposing your shit sartorial "elegance" on me is what's selfish. Luckily I'm my own man and comfortable in my skin. It helps that I look good in anything. I'm a clothes horse, like the People's Princess.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,668
    rcs1000 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    No, we haven't.

    Those who care about how they dress have always done it mostly for their own satisfaction. That their social/friendship group might share their tastes doesn't really alter that.

    And there's always been something of a trade-off between comfort and style.
    A lot of people dress to fit in with their social circle sorry but its true, its not about comfort for them but about being part of the crowd
    Indeed: if you hang out with a bunch of Goths, then before long you will be wearing eyeshadow and you won't own any non-black clothing.

    That said, the amount we care what our peer group thinks about us (and specifically how we look) peaks at about 16. Now - candidly - I couldn't give a fuck.
    Yes and they are just as wrong dressing to fit in. Sadly I don't think it peaks at 16 most in their 30's look and dress the same because we are middle aged people so we wear this. They are more conformist that the under 20's because they have tribes. Hit your thirties the tribes disappear and they all become bland simulacra
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,819
    edited May 30

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    No, we haven't.

    Those who care about how they dress have always done it mostly for their own satisfaction. That their social/friendship group might share their tastes doesn't really alter that.

    And there's always been something of a trade-off between comfort and style.
    Yes, we have.

    As usual you are wrong.
    As usual, you take your own beliefs, often dogmatic, as objective truth.
    We can tell from your comments on here that you dress like a twat, and look like shit.

    Noted.
    LOL

    You comments about other people always say more about you than the object of your analysis.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,152
    "The former RBS chief executive, who was sacked as part of a non-negotiable condition of the state rescue, originally walked away with a £16m pension pot that paid out about £700,000 a year. But public outrage forced Goodwin and the bank to halve those payouts to £342,500 a year.

    However, after nearly two decades, an agreement that linked his payouts to the rate of inflation has pushed that figure ever-closer to the original sum."

    The Guardian's understanding of inflation.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,881
    carnforth said:

    "The former RBS chief executive, who was sacked as part of a non-negotiable condition of the state rescue, originally walked away with a £16m pension pot that paid out about £700,000 a year. But public outrage forced Goodwin and the bank to halve those payouts to £342,500 a year.

    However, after nearly two decades, an agreement that linked his payouts to the rate of inflation has pushed that figure ever-closer to the original sum."

    The Guardian's understanding of inflation.

    Is that the CPI, RPI or the inflated sense of his own importance?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,639

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    No, we haven't.

    Those who care about how they dress have always done it mostly for their own satisfaction. That their social/friendship group might share their tastes doesn't really alter that.

    And there's always been something of a trade-off between comfort and style.
    Yes, we have.

    As usual you are wrong.
    As usual, you take your own beliefs, often dogmatic, as objective truth.
    We can tell from your comments on here that you dress like a twat, and look like shit.

    Noted.
    That's probably me you're mistaking the admirable NigelB for. Spartacus!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,451
    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    My son in law turned up for his wedding wearing a blue suit with brown shoes. I thougt that an intervention was called for, but my wife dissuaded me.

    As a compromise you could have let the service happen but excoriated him in your speech afterwards.
    Told my father when you croak I am not buying a suit for your funeral I am wearing this. His response was hell good you be you
    A perfectly fine and healthy exchange.
    Hey I moved 300 miles to look after him what more does he want.....didn't like him before, like him less now but its duty
    Yes, I wasn't kidding, I meant it. And that's a deeply admirable thing you're doing there. It takes strength and character.

    Also - I want to be very clear about this - I have no problem with you wearing thigh boots with high heels.
    If I come to the next pb meet I will sit on your lap and you can stroke my stockings :)
    Well that's the best offer I've had in a long time.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,586
    @KevinASchofield

    'It's A Case Of When, Not If': Tory MPs Believe Kemi Badenoch's Time As Party Leader Is Already Running Out

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1928493569557291033
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,668
    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    My son in law turned up for his wedding wearing a blue suit with brown shoes. I thougt that an intervention was called for, but my wife dissuaded me.

    As a compromise you could have let the service happen but excoriated him in your speech afterwards.
    Told my father when you croak I am not buying a suit for your funeral I am wearing this. His response was hell good you be you
    A perfectly fine and healthy exchange.
    Hey I moved 300 miles to look after him what more does he want.....didn't like him before, like him less now but its duty
    Yes, I wasn't kidding, I meant it. And that's a deeply admirable thing you're doing there. It takes strength and character.

    Also - I want to be very clear about this - I have no problem with you wearing thigh boots with high heels.
    If I come to the next pb meet I will sit on your lap and you can stroke my stockings :)
    Well that's the best offer I've had in a long time.
    Sadly I dont think if I went to a pb meet up I would likely turn up in my rocky horror gear :)
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,451
    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    Phil said:

    Jeans & a jacket is the modern “casual formalwear” if you can’t carry off jeans and a t-shirt any more because beer gut + t-shirt isn’t a good look.

    Back in the '50's my father was very much against me wearing jeans. Not 'appropriate wear" as far as he was concerned. However when, against his wishes, I bought a motorbike he relented.
    Do you remember your first long trousers!? I must have been perhaps 10.

    Shorts! Shorts in winter, and especially if it's ridiculously cold.

    Mind you then at high school the rugby lessons used to be much of that ilk. You could get into big trouble if you tried to wear a t-shirt under your rugby shirt. Shorts. socks (not too cowardly long) and a reversable rugby top. Minus 3million degrees in a gale - perfect for a boy's education.
    After the first encounter with rugby, I managed to avoid it by simply not turning up, and seeking sanctuary in the library - a place almost always deserted, and where no one thought to look for me.

    Rugby is best left to those who enjoy inflicting pain on each other.
    I used to canter up and down on the wing hoping the ball would keep its distance.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,668
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    Phil said:

    Jeans & a jacket is the modern “casual formalwear” if you can’t carry off jeans and a t-shirt any more because beer gut + t-shirt isn’t a good look.

    Back in the '50's my father was very much against me wearing jeans. Not 'appropriate wear" as far as he was concerned. However when, against his wishes, I bought a motorbike he relented.
    Do you remember your first long trousers!? I must have been perhaps 10.

    Shorts! Shorts in winter, and especially if it's ridiculously cold.

    Mind you then at high school the rugby lessons used to be much of that ilk. You could get into big trouble if you tried to wear a t-shirt under your rugby shirt. Shorts. socks (not too cowardly long) and a reversable rugby top. Minus 3million degrees in a gale - perfect for a boy's education.
    After the first encounter with rugby, I managed to avoid it by simply not turning up, and seeking sanctuary in the library - a place almost always deserted, and where no one thought to look for me.

    Rugby is best left to those who enjoy inflicting pain on each other.
    I used to canter up and down on the wing hoping the ball would keep its distance.
    Pain is what lets us know we aren't dead
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,080
    Scott_xP said:

    @KevinASchofield

    'It's A Case Of When, Not If': Tory MPs Believe Kemi Badenoch's Time As Party Leader Is Already Running Out

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/1928493569557291033

    I love these carnivals. Soon the 1922 music will start up again.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,307

    You should wear whatever you feel comfortable in. Obviously, there will be times when a certain style/ formality will have to kick in, but the rest of the time- follow your own code, and feck everybody else.

    No, that selfish and lazy and also makes you look like shit.

    Men look fantastic in a great suit, jacket or formal attire and you should take pride in your appearance, and cop the respect too.
    You imposing your shit sartorial "elegance" on me is what's selfish. Luckily I'm my own man and comfortable in my skin. It helps that I look good in anything. I'm a clothes horse, like the People's Princess.
    Like Mr. Blobby
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,019

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    The weird thing is that the high streets are full of clothes shops while, collectively, the public has never looked worse. When no-one had any money, ie the 50s - everyone looked so much smarter.

    I suspect the same could be said of food. The airwaves are dominated by telly-chefs, and again, their are cafes and restaurants everywhere - but the great majority just snack on convenience meals. And everyone looks pasty and overweight.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,307
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    No, we haven't.

    Those who care about how they dress have always done it mostly for their own satisfaction. That their social/friendship group might share their tastes doesn't really alter that.

    And there's always been something of a trade-off between comfort and style.
    Yes, we have.

    As usual you are wrong.
    As usual, you take your own beliefs, often dogmatic, as objective truth.
    We can tell from your comments on here that you dress like a twat, and look like shit.

    Noted.
    LOL

    You comments about other people always say more about you than the object of your analysis.
    Don't come in out of nowhere then and just say in response to one of my posts "no, we haven't" with a lot of wank then. Because that says an awful lot about you.

    You are an entirely contrarian and objectionable pompous twat and you get precisely what you deserve.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,315
    Gerry Adams versus the Beeb: a teeny bit Alien v. Predator, but can't help laughing :lol:
  • You should wear whatever you feel comfortable in. Obviously, there will be times when a certain style/ formality will have to kick in, but the rest of the time- follow your own code, and feck everybody else.

    No, that selfish and lazy and also makes you look like shit.

    Men look fantastic in a great suit, jacket or formal attire and you should take pride in your appearance, and cop the respect too.
    You imposing your shit sartorial "elegance" on me is what's selfish. Luckily I'm my own man and comfortable in my skin. It helps that I look good in anything. I'm a clothes horse, like the People's Princess.
    Like Mr. Blobby
    I can't help that you look like a bag of shit tied up with chicken legs, and I'm the steeziest fella you'd ever be lucky to meet.
    Them's the breaks.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,819
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    Phil said:

    Jeans & a jacket is the modern “casual formalwear” if you can’t carry off jeans and a t-shirt any more because beer gut + t-shirt isn’t a good look.

    Back in the '50's my father was very much against me wearing jeans. Not 'appropriate wear" as far as he was concerned. However when, against his wishes, I bought a motorbike he relented.
    Do you remember your first long trousers!? I must have been perhaps 10.

    Shorts! Shorts in winter, and especially if it's ridiculously cold.

    Mind you then at high school the rugby lessons used to be much of that ilk. You could get into big trouble if you tried to wear a t-shirt under your rugby shirt. Shorts. socks (not too cowardly long) and a reversable rugby top. Minus 3million degrees in a gale - perfect for a boy's education.
    After the first encounter with rugby, I managed to avoid it by simply not turning up, and seeking sanctuary in the library - a place almost always deserted, and where no one thought to look for me.

    Rugby is best left to those who enjoy inflicting pain on each other.
    I used to canter up and down on the wing hoping the ball would keep its distance.
    I considered the idea, but it seemed a waste of time and effort - and unfair to those who actually wanted to play the game.

    it was clearly an analysis at least tacitly approved by the authorities.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,451

    kinabalu said:

    You should wear whatever you feel comfortable in. Obviously, there will be times when a certain style/ formality will have to kick in, but the rest of the time- follow your own code, and feck everybody else.

    No, that selfish and lazy and also makes you look like shit.

    Men look fantastic in a great suit, jacket or formal attire and you should take pride in your appearance, and cop the respect too.
    Amongst famous men which one do you like the best in a smart suit?
    Anthony Eden
    Hard to imagine him in anything else. Debonair personified. Also dead though.

    I'm going to go for a live one. Jeremy Corbyn. His Paul Smith makeover really worked.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,307

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    The weird thing is that the high streets are full of clothes shops while, collectively, the public has never looked worse. When no-one had any money, ie the 50s - everyone looked so much smarter.

    I suspect the same could be said of food. The airwaves are dominated by telly-chefs, and again, their are cafes and restaurants everywhere - but the great majority just snack on convenience meals. And everyone looks pasty and overweight.
    Yes, quite.

    I think @Sean_F put it well the other day when he highlighted the decline of menswear departments in M&S, Debenhams and the like as one reason men are so terribly dressed nowadays.

    We see the balance of it on here, where they seemingly don't give a shit about looking like shit.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,819

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    No, we haven't.

    Those who care about how they dress have always done it mostly for their own satisfaction. That their social/friendship group might share their tastes doesn't really alter that.

    And there's always been something of a trade-off between comfort and style.
    Yes, we have.

    As usual you are wrong.
    As usual, you take your own beliefs, often dogmatic, as objective truth.
    We can tell from your comments on here that you dress like a twat, and look like shit.

    Noted.
    LOL

    You comments about other people always say more about you than the object of your analysis.
    Don't come in out of nowhere then and just say in response to one of my posts "no, we haven't" with a lot of wank then. Because that says an awful lot about you.

    You are an entirely contrarian and objectionable pompous twat and you get precisely what you deserve.
    Never change, Casino.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,639

    Gerry Adams versus the Beeb: a teeny bit Alien v. Predator, but can't help laughing :lol:

    I had thoughts about the case too, but I imagine it's very much the sort of thing that the mods would like us to avoid.

    Irish court of course.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,307
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    No, we haven't.

    Those who care about how they dress have always done it mostly for their own satisfaction. That their social/friendship group might share their tastes doesn't really alter that.

    And there's always been something of a trade-off between comfort and style.
    Yes, we have.

    As usual you are wrong.
    As usual, you take your own beliefs, often dogmatic, as objective truth.
    We can tell from your comments on here that you dress like a twat, and look like shit.

    Noted.
    LOL

    You comments about other people always say more about you than the object of your analysis.
    Don't come in out of nowhere then and just say in response to one of my posts "no, we haven't" with a lot of wank then. Because that says an awful lot about you.

    You are an entirely contrarian and objectionable pompous twat and you get precisely what you deserve.
    Never change, Casino.
    I will if you will.

    Think about it, and your style.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,307
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    You should wear whatever you feel comfortable in. Obviously, there will be times when a certain style/ formality will have to kick in, but the rest of the time- follow your own code, and feck everybody else.

    No, that selfish and lazy and also makes you look like shit.

    Men look fantastic in a great suit, jacket or formal attire and you should take pride in your appearance, and cop the respect too.
    Amongst famous men which one do you like the best in a smart suit?
    Anthony Eden
    Hard to imagine him in anything else. Debonair personified. Also dead though.

    I'm going to go for a live one. Jeremy Corbyn. His Paul Smith makeover really worked.
    I'm not sure I can take this anymore.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,315
    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    Phil said:

    Jeans & a jacket is the modern “casual formalwear” if you can’t carry off jeans and a t-shirt any more because beer gut + t-shirt isn’t a good look.

    Back in the '50's my father was very much against me wearing jeans. Not 'appropriate wear" as far as he was concerned. However when, against his wishes, I bought a motorbike he relented.
    Do you remember your first long trousers!? I must have been perhaps 10.

    Shorts! Shorts in winter, and especially if it's ridiculously cold.

    Mind you then at high school the rugby lessons used to be much of that ilk. You could get into big trouble if you tried to wear a t-shirt under your rugby shirt. Shorts. socks (not too cowardly long) and a reversable rugby top. Minus 3million degrees in a gale - perfect for a boy's education.
    After the first encounter with rugby, I managed to avoid it by simply not turning up, and seeking sanctuary in the library - a place almost always deserted, and where no one thought to look for me.

    Rugby is best left to those who enjoy inflicting pain on each other.
    I used to canter up and down on the wing hoping the ball would keep its distance.
    Pain is what lets us know we aren't dead
    All this running around
    Well it's getting me down
    Just give me a pain that I'm used to
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,451

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    You should wear whatever you feel comfortable in. Obviously, there will be times when a certain style/ formality will have to kick in, but the rest of the time- follow your own code, and feck everybody else.

    No, that selfish and lazy and also makes you look like shit.

    Men look fantastic in a great suit, jacket or formal attire and you should take pride in your appearance, and cop the respect too.
    Amongst famous men which one do you like the best in a smart suit?
    Anthony Eden
    Hard to imagine him in anything else. Debonair personified. Also dead though.

    I'm going to go for a live one. Jeremy Corbyn. His Paul Smith makeover really worked.
    I'm not sure I can take this anymore.
    Don't worry, I'm off now.

    (That's a date, pagan, btw. You'd best not be trifling around with me.)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,819

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    No, we haven't.

    Those who care about how they dress have always done it mostly for their own satisfaction. That their social/friendship group might share their tastes doesn't really alter that.

    And there's always been something of a trade-off between comfort and style.
    Yes, we have.

    As usual you are wrong.
    As usual, you take your own beliefs, often dogmatic, as objective truth.
    We can tell from your comments on here that you dress like a twat, and look like shit.

    Noted.
    LOL

    You comments about other people always say more about you than the object of your analysis.
    Don't come in out of nowhere then and just say in response to one of my posts "no, we haven't" with a lot of wank then. Because that says an awful lot about you.

    You are an entirely contrarian and objectionable pompous twat and you get precisely what you deserve.
    Never change, Casino.
    I will if you will.

    Think about it, and your style.
    Chore jackets and jeans; casual shoes.
    Muted colours; no reds.

    I possess the odd suit, but rarely wear them. Linen for preference.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,774
    edited May 30
    Evening all
    Extra poll bonus from BMG today in line with everything we've seen recently
    Reform holds 7pt lead in latest @BMGResearch poll for @theipaper

    Ref 31%
    Lab 24%
    Con 18%
    LDs 13%
    Grn 9%

    Reform leads Labour on handling of economy and cost of living, and leads the Tories on... everything.

    Leader ratings: Davey +4, Farage +2, Badenoch -8, Starmer -31

    Badenoch probably pretty relieved to be hanging off the back of the Davey/Farage approval club well clear of Mr unpopular.

    This sort of result seems pretty standard as we stand
  • Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    The weird thing is that the high streets are full of clothes shops while, collectively, the public has never looked worse. When no-one had any money, ie the 50s - everyone looked so much smarter.

    I suspect the same could be said of food. The airwaves are dominated by telly-chefs, and again, their are cafes and restaurants everywhere - but the great majority just snack on convenience meals. And everyone looks pasty and overweight.
    Yes, quite.

    I think @Sean_F put it well the other day when he highlighted the decline of menswear departments in M&S, Debenhams and the like as one reason men are so terribly dressed nowadays.

    We see the balance of it on here, where they seemingly don't give a shit about looking like shit.
    I'll bite. How old are you, and what do you routinely wear that sets you apart as "well dressed"?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,668

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    The weird thing is that the high streets are full of clothes shops while, collectively, the public has never looked worse. When no-one had any money, ie the 50s - everyone looked so much smarter.

    I suspect the same could be said of food. The airwaves are dominated by telly-chefs, and again, their are cafes and restaurants everywhere - but the great majority just snack on convenience meals. And everyone looks pasty and overweight.
    Yes, quite.

    I think @Sean_F put it well the other day when he highlighted the decline of menswear departments in M&S, Debenhams and the like as one reason men are so terribly dressed nowadays.

    We see the balance of it on here, where they seemingly don't give a shit about looking like shit.
    I'll bite. How old are you, and what do you routinely wear that sets you apart as "well dressed"?
    I suspect it is he wears the clothes with the right labels
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,819
    Pagan2 said:

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    The weird thing is that the high streets are full of clothes shops while, collectively, the public has never looked worse. When no-one had any money, ie the 50s - everyone looked so much smarter.

    I suspect the same could be said of food. The airwaves are dominated by telly-chefs, and again, their are cafes and restaurants everywhere - but the great majority just snack on convenience meals. And everyone looks pasty and overweight.
    Yes, quite.

    I think @Sean_F put it well the other day when he highlighted the decline of menswear departments in M&S, Debenhams and the like as one reason men are so terribly dressed nowadays.

    We see the balance of it on here, where they seemingly don't give a shit about looking like shit.
    I'll bite. How old are you, and what do you routinely wear that sets you apart as "well dressed"?
    I suspect it is he wears the clothes with the right labels
    Labels are largely irrelevant to look.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,789

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    The weird thing is that the high streets are full of clothes shops while, collectively, the public has never looked worse. When no-one had any money, ie the 50s - everyone looked so much smarter.

    I suspect the same could be said of food. The airwaves are dominated by telly-chefs, and again, their are cafes and restaurants everywhere - but the great majority just snack on convenience meals. And everyone looks pasty and overweight.
    Yes, I think that very much the case. British men dress very badly in the main, not helped that few have the figure for clothes, not least the ridiculous skinny trousers and overtight jacket combo as worn by Andrew Tate etc.

    There are certain standards to be maintained, and personally I would never wear trainers with a suit. If I did want to dress down a suit at a less formal occasion I would wear something like 6 hole boots.

    Trainers are like any sportswear, only acceptable dress when either playing sport or relaxing in the bar immediately afterwards.

    Casual wear including jeans, t shirt etc can look very good on the right sort of body. It wouldn't surprise me that TFS3 can carry it off.

    Derek Guy is a great style guru, but there are others. This book in particular is invaluable: "Dressing the Man" by Alan Flusser. It is old, by style never really goes out of date, though the cut of suits does over time.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,358
    Pagan2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    This question is bullshit, because in the old days there were two types of shoes for men:

    - Formal leather shoes
    - Trainers (which weren't really used for training)

    Nowadays, there's a whole new class of shoe: the comfortable, smartish shoe. A lot of my shoes are like that these days: they have flexible tops (like a trainer), but the shape of a formal shoe.

    I wouldn't wear them with a suit (what kind of freak do you think I am?) but for smart casual, and semi-formal settings, they are absolutely perfect. They are comfortable, without making you look like a chav.

    There are more types of shoe than those two

    Unless you think
    a) wellies
    b) sandals
    c) flip flops
    d) steel toe capped doc martens
    e) Thigh boots with high heels

    fit into those two categories
    My solution to smart casual footwear has been d). There is nothing as comfortable and practical as a decent quality workboot, and if you chose wisely they are quite presentable. I'm currently on V12's cheap offering, about every 18 months I wear out the workshop pair (worn 50-60hrs a week) buy a new "respectable" pair and the previous "respectable" pair become workshop fodder.
    https://v12footwear.com/products/colt-sts-black-s1p-src-dealer-boot?variant=39508833337538
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,977
    Pagan2 said:

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    The weird thing is that the high streets are full of clothes shops while, collectively, the public has never looked worse. When no-one had any money, ie the 50s - everyone looked so much smarter.

    I suspect the same could be said of food. The airwaves are dominated by telly-chefs, and again, their are cafes and restaurants everywhere - but the great majority just snack on convenience meals. And everyone looks pasty and overweight.
    Yes, quite.

    I think @Sean_F put it well the other day when he highlighted the decline of menswear departments in M&S, Debenhams and the like as one reason men are so terribly dressed nowadays.

    We see the balance of it on here, where they seemingly don't give a shit about looking like shit.
    I'll bite. How old are you, and what do you routinely wear that sets you apart as "well dressed"?
    I suspect it is he wears the clothes with the right labels
    "Made in Bangladesh"

    Nice
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,668
    Foxy said:

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    The weird thing is that the high streets are full of clothes shops while, collectively, the public has never looked worse. When no-one had any money, ie the 50s - everyone looked so much smarter.

    I suspect the same could be said of food. The airwaves are dominated by telly-chefs, and again, their are cafes and restaurants everywhere - but the great majority just snack on convenience meals. And everyone looks pasty and overweight.
    Yes, I think that very much the case. British men dress very badly in the main, not helped that few have the figure for clothes, not least the ridiculous skinny trousers and overtight jacket combo as worn by Andrew Tate etc.

    There are certain standards to be maintained, and personally I would never wear trainers with a suit. If I did want to dress down a suit at a less formal occasion I would wear something like 6 hole boots.

    Trainers are like any sportswear, only acceptable dress when either playing sport or relaxing in the bar immediately afterwards.

    Casual wear including jeans, t shirt etc can look very good on the right sort of body. It wouldn't surprise me that TFS3 can carry it off.

    Derek Guy is a great style guru, but there are others. This book in particular is invaluable: "Dressing the Man" by Alan Flusser. It is old, by style never really goes out of date, though the cut of suits does over time.
    I find I often get strangers telling me they love how I look and have on a few occasions had foreign visitors to our lands wanting a selfie with me.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,789
    Nigelb said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    The weird thing is that the high streets are full of clothes shops while, collectively, the public has never looked worse. When no-one had any money, ie the 50s - everyone looked so much smarter.

    I suspect the same could be said of food. The airwaves are dominated by telly-chefs, and again, their are cafes and restaurants everywhere - but the great majority just snack on convenience meals. And everyone looks pasty and overweight.
    Yes, quite.

    I think @Sean_F put it well the other day when he highlighted the decline of menswear departments in M&S, Debenhams and the like as one reason men are so terribly dressed nowadays.

    We see the balance of it on here, where they seemingly don't give a shit about looking like shit.
    I'll bite. How old are you, and what do you routinely wear that sets you apart as "well dressed"?
    I suspect it is he wears the clothes with the right labels
    Labels are largely irrelevant to look.
    Yes, it's much more a matter of understanding what suits your shape, hair and skin colour and the nature of the occasion.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,644
    Why would anyone want to dress like Jamie Redknapp?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,668
    tlg86 said:

    Why would anyone want to dress like Jamie Redknapp?

    They want to date louise?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,881
    edited May 30
    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    The weird thing is that the high streets are full of clothes shops while, collectively, the public has never looked worse. When no-one had any money, ie the 50s - everyone looked so much smarter.

    I suspect the same could be said of food. The airwaves are dominated by telly-chefs, and again, their are cafes and restaurants everywhere - but the great majority just snack on convenience meals. And everyone looks pasty and overweight.
    Yes, I think that very much the case. British men dress very badly in the main, not helped that few have the figure for clothes, not least the ridiculous skinny trousers and overtight jacket combo as worn by Andrew Tate etc.

    There are certain standards to be maintained, and personally I would never wear trainers with a suit. If I did want to dress down a suit at a less formal occasion I would wear something like 6 hole boots.

    Trainers are like any sportswear, only acceptable dress when either playing sport or relaxing in the bar immediately afterwards.

    Casual wear including jeans, t shirt etc can look very good on the right sort of body. It wouldn't surprise me that TFS3 can carry it off.

    Derek Guy is a great style guru, but there are others. This book in particular is invaluable: "Dressing the Man" by Alan Flusser. It is old, by style never really goes out of date, though the cut of suits does over time.
    I find I often get strangers telling me they love how I look and have on a few occasions had foreign visitors to our lands wanting a selfie with me.
    So @Leon is a fan of your style?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,995
    edited May 30
    Pagan2 said:

    Over 50 and I am not convinced trainers are appropriate. I binned the Stan Smiths and most of my Vans although I still have one pair of Old Skool and one New Skool remaining, but rarely worn these days. Casual means Sperry Docksiders. For the most part only Brogues or Oxfords are appropriate.

    This "I am not convinced its appropiate" thing has to stop.....how about you just wear what you feel is comfortable for you?
    You are more than welcome to wear your Air Jordans but if you are over 50 don't blame me when people laugh at you.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,789
    edited May 30
    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    The weird thing is that the high streets are full of clothes shops while, collectively, the public has never looked worse. When no-one had any money, ie the 50s - everyone looked so much smarter.

    I suspect the same could be said of food. The airwaves are dominated by telly-chefs, and again, their are cafes and restaurants everywhere - but the great majority just snack on convenience meals. And everyone looks pasty and overweight.
    Yes, I think that very much the case. British men dress very badly in the main, not helped that few have the figure for clothes, not least the ridiculous skinny trousers and overtight jacket combo as worn by Andrew Tate etc.

    There are certain standards to be maintained, and personally I would never wear trainers with a suit. If I did want to dress down a suit at a less formal occasion I would wear something like 6 hole boots.

    Trainers are like any sportswear, only acceptable dress when either playing sport or relaxing in the bar immediately afterwards.

    Casual wear including jeans, t shirt etc can look very good on the right sort of body. It wouldn't surprise me that TFS3 can carry it off.

    Derek Guy is a great style guru, but there are others. This book in particular is invaluable: "Dressing the Man" by Alan Flusser. It is old, by style never really goes out of date, though the cut of suits does over time.
    I find I often get strangers telling me they love how I look and have on a few occasions had foreign visitors to our lands wanting a selfie with me.
    I enjoy dressing well, and I too often get compliments from women on my outfits, though very rarely from men.

    I also find that complimenting a woman on her outfit goes down well. It's less aggressively sexual than complimenting her on some aspect of her beauty, and generally women have put a lot of thought and effort in so appreciate it being noted.

    On topic, women always notice men's shoes. All women harbour some envy of Imelda Marcos*, taking a much keener interest in footwear than men.

    * definitely true of Mrs Foxy.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,687
    Cracking thread. Everyone telling everyone else how awful they dress and yet nobody can see one another.

    Or am I missing the video version of PB?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,668
    ydoethur said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    The weird thing is that the high streets are full of clothes shops while, collectively, the public has never looked worse. When no-one had any money, ie the 50s - everyone looked so much smarter.

    I suspect the same could be said of food. The airwaves are dominated by telly-chefs, and again, their are cafes and restaurants everywhere - but the great majority just snack on convenience meals. And everyone looks pasty and overweight.
    Yes, I think that very much the case. British men dress very badly in the main, not helped that few have the figure for clothes, not least the ridiculous skinny trousers and overtight jacket combo as worn by Andrew Tate etc.

    There are certain standards to be maintained, and personally I would never wear trainers with a suit. If I did want to dress down a suit at a less formal occasion I would wear something like 6 hole boots.

    Trainers are like any sportswear, only acceptable dress when either playing sport or relaxing in the bar immediately afterwards.

    Casual wear including jeans, t shirt etc can look very good on the right sort of body. It wouldn't surprise me that TFS3 can carry it off.

    Derek Guy is a great style guru, but there are others. This book in particular is invaluable: "Dressing the Man" by Alan Flusser. It is old, by style never really goes out of date, though the cut of suits does over time.
    I find I often get strangers telling me they love how I look and have on a few occasions had foreign visitors to our lands wanting a selfie with me.
    So @Leon is a fan of your style?
    If leon ever loved my style I would change to tank tops and pocket protectors to be safe
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,668

    Pagan2 said:

    Over 50 and I am not convinced trainers are appropriate. I binned the Stan Smiths and most of my Vans although I still have one pair of Old Skool and one New Skool remaining, but rarely worn these days. Casual means Sperry Docksiders. For the most part only Brogues or Oxfords are appropriate.

    This "I am not convinced its appropiate" thing has to stop.....how about you just wear what you feel is comfortable for you?
    You are more than welcome to wear your Air Jordans but if you are over 59 don't blame me when people laugh at you.
    I don't even know what an air jordan is let alone wear them
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,668
    kjh said:

    Cracking thread. Everyone telling everyone else how awful they dress and yet nobody can see one another.

    Or am I missing the video version of PB?

    Well to give you a clue my goddaughter commented last year "Unk you know you look like jack the ripper"
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,774
    I'm bare chested at the moment. I'm a gorgeous fat ginsters.
    Clothes are for people who aren't roasting
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,639

    I'm bare chested at the moment. I'm a gorgeous fat ginsters.
    Clothes are for people who aren't roasting

    I see you now as roasting a hog on a spit in a cave. Heavy black tattoos, bald headed, much like Apocalypse Now.

    Hell of a gas bill.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,789
    kjh said:

    Cracking thread. Everyone telling everyone else how awful they dress and yet nobody can see one another.

    Or am I missing the video version of PB?

    With British men, it is generally a safe assumption.

    Only the North Americans, and Eastern Europeans can rival us.

    I particularly enjoyed the quip that "double denim" is the Canadian tuxedo. Though more recently Canada seems to have totally bought into the athleisure market.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,668
    Omnium said:

    I'm bare chested at the moment. I'm a gorgeous fat ginsters.
    Clothes are for people who aren't roasting

    I see you now as roasting a hog on a spit in a cave. Heavy black tattoos, bald headed, much like Apocalypse Now.

    Hell of a gas bill.
    I am planning my funeral to be an open air pyre, my son in discussion is putting his foot down at having a hog roast to feed the mourners while they watch me burn for some reason
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,995

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    The weird thing is that the high streets are full of clothes shops while, collectively, the public has never looked worse. When no-one had any money, ie the 50s - everyone looked so much smarter.

    I suspect the same could be said of food. The airwaves are dominated by telly-chefs, and again, their are cafes and restaurants everywhere - but the great majority just snack on convenience meals. And everyone looks pasty and overweight.
    Yes, quite.

    I think @Sean_F put it well the other day when he highlighted the decline of menswear departments in M&S, Debenhams and the like as one reason men are so terribly dressed nowadays.

    We see the balance of it on here, where they seemingly don't give a shit about looking like shit.
    The demise of C & A in the UK was the fulcrum point.*

    * I was upset when Austin Reed failed.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,774
    Omnium said:

    I'm bare chested at the moment. I'm a gorgeous fat ginsters.
    Clothes are for people who aren't roasting

    I see you now as roasting a hog on a spit in a cave. Heavy black tattoos, bald headed, much like Apocalypse Now.

    Hell of a gas bill.
    No tattoos. But I am bald.
    I could get any cavegirl i wanted i reckon
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,668

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    The weird thing is that the high streets are full of clothes shops while, collectively, the public has never looked worse. When no-one had any money, ie the 50s - everyone looked so much smarter.

    I suspect the same could be said of food. The airwaves are dominated by telly-chefs, and again, their are cafes and restaurants everywhere - but the great majority just snack on convenience meals. And everyone looks pasty and overweight.
    Yes, quite.

    I think @Sean_F put it well the other day when he highlighted the decline of menswear departments in M&S, Debenhams and the like as one reason men are so terribly dressed nowadays.

    We see the balance of it on here, where they seemingly don't give a shit about looking like shit.
    The demise of C & A in the UK was the fulcrum point.*

    * I was upset when Austin Reed failed.
    Surely you mean dunn and co
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,774

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    The weird thing is that the high streets are full of clothes shops while, collectively, the public has never looked worse. When no-one had any money, ie the 50s - everyone looked so much smarter.

    I suspect the same could be said of food. The airwaves are dominated by telly-chefs, and again, their are cafes and restaurants everywhere - but the great majority just snack on convenience meals. And everyone looks pasty and overweight.
    Yes, quite.

    I think @Sean_F put it well the other day when he highlighted the decline of menswear departments in M&S, Debenhams and the like as one reason men are so terribly dressed nowadays.

    We see the balance of it on here, where they seemingly don't give a shit about looking like shit.
    The demise of C & A in the UK was the fulcrum point.*

    * I was upset when Austin Reed failed.
    I used to work at C and A
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,668

    Omnium said:

    I'm bare chested at the moment. I'm a gorgeous fat ginsters.
    Clothes are for people who aren't roasting

    I see you now as roasting a hog on a spit in a cave. Heavy black tattoos, bald headed, much like Apocalypse Now.

    Hell of a gas bill.
    No tattoos. But I am bald.
    I could get any cavegirl i wanted i reckon
    Well not sure cavegirls got much choice in the matter, think it was more who is strongest gets them
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,774
    edited May 30
    Pagan2 said:

    Omnium said:

    I'm bare chested at the moment. I'm a gorgeous fat ginsters.
    Clothes are for people who aren't roasting

    I see you now as roasting a hog on a spit in a cave. Heavy black tattoos, bald headed, much like Apocalypse Now.

    Hell of a gas bill.
    No tattoos. But I am bald.
    I could get any cavegirl i wanted i reckon
    Well not sure cavegirls got much choice in the matter, think it was more who is strongest gets them
    *flexes*

    Edit - *needs to lie down*
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,639

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    The weird thing is that the high streets are full of clothes shops while, collectively, the public has never looked worse. When no-one had any money, ie the 50s - everyone looked so much smarter.

    I suspect the same could be said of food. The airwaves are dominated by telly-chefs, and again, their are cafes and restaurants everywhere - but the great majority just snack on convenience meals. And everyone looks pasty and overweight.
    Yes, quite.

    I think @Sean_F put it well the other day when he highlighted the decline of menswear departments in M&S, Debenhams and the like as one reason men are so terribly dressed nowadays.

    We see the balance of it on here, where they seemingly don't give a shit about looking like shit.
    The demise of C & A in the UK was the fulcrum point.*

    * I was upset when Austin Reed failed.
    There used to be a huge range of poor menswear retailers.

    John Collier - the window to watch
    Burton - (who knows)

    I can't recall the names of the others. They'd turn you away though if you were young and scruffy.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 849

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    The weird thing is that the high streets are full of clothes shops while, collectively, the public has never looked worse. When no-one had any money, ie the 50s - everyone looked so much smarter.

    I suspect the same could be said of food. The airwaves are dominated by telly-chefs, and again, their are cafes and restaurants everywhere - but the great majority just snack on convenience meals. And everyone looks pasty and overweight.
    Yes, quite.

    I think @Sean_F put it well the other day when he highlighted the decline of menswear departments in M&S, Debenhams and the like as one reason men are so terribly dressed nowadays.

    We see the balance of it on here, where they seemingly don't give a shit about looking like shit.
    The demise of C & A in the UK was the fulcrum point.*

    * I was upset when Austin Reed failed.
    I used to work at C and A
    Still going strong in Europe. Didn't you want to transfer to one of the three stores in Malaga?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,639

    Omnium said:

    I'm bare chested at the moment. I'm a gorgeous fat ginsters.
    Clothes are for people who aren't roasting

    I see you now as roasting a hog on a spit in a cave. Heavy black tattoos, bald headed, much like Apocalypse Now.

    Hell of a gas bill.
    No tattoos. But I am bald.
    I could get any cavegirl i wanted i reckon
    Well we all thought that once.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,774
    Battlebus said:

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    The weird thing is that the high streets are full of clothes shops while, collectively, the public has never looked worse. When no-one had any money, ie the 50s - everyone looked so much smarter.

    I suspect the same could be said of food. The airwaves are dominated by telly-chefs, and again, their are cafes and restaurants everywhere - but the great majority just snack on convenience meals. And everyone looks pasty and overweight.
    Yes, quite.

    I think @Sean_F put it well the other day when he highlighted the decline of menswear departments in M&S, Debenhams and the like as one reason men are so terribly dressed nowadays.

    We see the balance of it on here, where they seemingly don't give a shit about looking like shit.
    The demise of C & A in the UK was the fulcrum point.*

    * I was upset when Austin Reed failed.
    I used to work at C and A
    Still going strong in Europe. Didn't you want to transfer to one of the three stores in Malaga?
    I'm not sure my four hours on a Saturday and Thursday late night shopping shifts would cover my paella expenses in Malaga!
    Besides there's only so much cramming annoyed shoppers clothes into too small or ridiculously large carriers you can do before real jobs call!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,774
    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    I'm bare chested at the moment. I'm a gorgeous fat ginsters.
    Clothes are for people who aren't roasting

    I see you now as roasting a hog on a spit in a cave. Heavy black tattoos, bald headed, much like Apocalypse Now.

    Hell of a gas bill.
    No tattoos. But I am bald.
    I could get any cavegirl i wanted i reckon
    Well we all thought that once.
    Yeah but I'm like Foxy Foxbert the Mega Fox (trapped in the body of a fifty something wretch)
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,710
    On topic: no, trainers are not good for formal affairs, Time Lords notwithstanding.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,977
    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    I'm bare chested at the moment. I'm a gorgeous fat ginsters.
    Clothes are for people who aren't roasting

    I see you now as roasting a hog on a spit in a cave. Heavy black tattoos, bald headed, much like Apocalypse Now.

    Hell of a gas bill.
    No tattoos. But I am bald.
    I could get any cavegirl i wanted i reckon
    Well we all thought that once.
    To be fair, the cavegirl would be totally wowed by @dyedwoolie's mobile phone, and I reckon that's how he'd get her.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,913

    Evening all
    Extra poll bonus from BMG today in line with everything we've seen recently
    Reform holds 7pt lead in latest @BMGResearch poll for @theipaper

    Ref 31%
    Lab 24%
    Con 18%
    LDs 13%
    Grn 9%

    Reform leads Labour on handling of economy and cost of living, and leads the Tories on... everything.

    Leader ratings: Davey +4, Farage +2, Badenoch -8, Starmer -31

    Badenoch probably pretty relieved to be hanging off the back of the Davey/Farage approval club well clear of Mr unpopular.

    This sort of result seems pretty standard as we stand

    I think it was a 10 point lead for Reform last time (32/22) so good for Labour
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,774
    edited May 30
    rcs1000 said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    I'm bare chested at the moment. I'm a gorgeous fat ginsters.
    Clothes are for people who aren't roasting

    I see you now as roasting a hog on a spit in a cave. Heavy black tattoos, bald headed, much like Apocalypse Now.

    Hell of a gas bill.
    No tattoos. But I am bald.
    I could get any cavegirl i wanted i reckon
    Well we all thought that once.
    To be fair, the cavegirl would be totally wowed by @dyedwoolie's mobile phone, and I reckon that's how he'd get her.
    That, or my cock
    Sophistication is key
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,774
    edited May 30
    isam said:

    Evening all
    Extra poll bonus from BMG today in line with everything we've seen recently
    Reform holds 7pt lead in latest @BMGResearch poll for @theipaper

    Ref 31%
    Lab 24%
    Con 18%
    LDs 13%
    Grn 9%

    Reform leads Labour on handling of economy and cost of living, and leads the Tories on... everything.

    Leader ratings: Davey +4, Farage +2, Badenoch -8, Starmer -31

    Badenoch probably pretty relieved to be hanging off the back of the Davey/Farage approval club well clear of Mr unpopular.

    This sort of result seems pretty standard as we stand

    I think it was a 10 point lead for Reform last time (32/22) so good for Labour
    Yes +2 Lab, -1 Ref and Con from May 8
    Pollsters herding Reform round 30, Lab 21 to 24, Con 16 to 19, LD 13 to 16 Green 8 to 11
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,152
    kjh said:

    Cracking thread. Everyone telling everyone else how awful they dress and yet nobody can see one another.

    Or am I missing the video version of PB?

    PBRoulette? Christ.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,710
    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    Phil said:

    Jeans & a jacket is the modern “casual formalwear” if you can’t carry off jeans and a t-shirt any more because beer gut + t-shirt isn’t a good look.

    Back in the '50's my father was very much against me wearing jeans. Not 'appropriate wear" as far as he was concerned. However when, against his wishes, I bought a motorbike he relented.
    Do you remember your first long trousers!? I must have been perhaps 10.

    Shorts! Shorts in winter, and especially if it's ridiculously cold.

    Mind you then at high school the rugby lessons used to be much of that ilk. You could get into big trouble if you tried to wear a t-shirt under your rugby shirt. Shorts. socks (not too cowardly long) and a reversable rugby top. Minus 3million degrees in a gale - perfect for a boy's education.
    After the first encounter with rugby, I managed to avoid it by simply not turning up, and seeking sanctuary in the library - a place almost always deserted, and where no one thought to look for me.

    Rugby is best left to those who enjoy inflicting pain on each other.
    I used to canter up and down on the wing hoping the ball would keep its distance.
    Pain is what lets us know we aren't dead
    I am sufficiently informed, yet it continues.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,789

    rcs1000 said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    I'm bare chested at the moment. I'm a gorgeous fat ginsters.
    Clothes are for people who aren't roasting

    I see you now as roasting a hog on a spit in a cave. Heavy black tattoos, bald headed, much like Apocalypse Now.

    Hell of a gas bill.
    No tattoos. But I am bald.
    I could get any cavegirl i wanted i reckon
    Well we all thought that once.
    To be fair, the cavegirl would be totally wowed by @dyedwoolie's mobile phone, and I reckon that's how he'd get her.
    That, or my cock
    Dick-pics via the medium of cave wall art.

    What neanderthal nymphette could resist?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,913
    The AG, ex-colleague of Sir Keir’s, has compared the Tories and Reform to Nazis…

    Who ever could have guessed, if you gift one of your besties a peerage and a top Government role, despite them never having been an elected MP, and having had zero political experience in Parliament, they might actually turn out to be really quite crap at politics...?!

    https://x.com/rosieduffield1/status/1928504221290078284?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,437
    Omnium said:

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    The weird thing is that the high streets are full of clothes shops while, collectively, the public has never looked worse. When no-one had any money, ie the 50s - everyone looked so much smarter.

    I suspect the same could be said of food. The airwaves are dominated by telly-chefs, and again, their are cafes and restaurants everywhere - but the great majority just snack on convenience meals. And everyone looks pasty and overweight.
    Yes, quite.

    I think @Sean_F put it well the other day when he highlighted the decline of menswear departments in M&S, Debenhams and the like as one reason men are so terribly dressed nowadays.

    We see the balance of it on here, where they seemingly don't give a shit about looking like shit.
    The demise of C & A in the UK was the fulcrum point.*

    * I was upset when Austin Reed failed.
    There used to be a huge range of poor menswear retailers.

    John Collier - the window to watch
    Burton - (who knows)

    I can't recall the names of the others. They'd turn you away though if you were young and scruffy.
    There are relatively few outlets left for men of a certain age who hate clothes, hate shopping, possess exactly one suit which they only wear when compelled, only want to buy exactly the same as they had last time which was 20 years ago and are quite content to look like a tramp.

    For some extraordinary reason they all went out of business. Every 10 years or so I pop into M&S. With luck the current ensemble will see me out.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,645
    Evening all :)

    As far as C&A is concerned, whenever a British cruise ship comes into Malaga, a significant number of the passengers head into the city and among those C&A is a target. The menswear area is replete with bored-looking men being bought (or rather having to buy) clothes chosen by their significant others.

    It's not pretty and I've been dragged there by Mrs Stodge - we also visited the one in Geneva where I was made to purchase an excellent winter coat.

    On footwear, I assumed TSE frequented spats....
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,774
    isam said:

    The AG, ex-colleague of Sir Keir’s, has compared the Tories and Reform to Nazis…

    Who ever could have guessed, if you gift one of your besties a peerage and a top Government role, despite them never having been an elected MP, and having had zero political experience in Parliament, they might actually turn out to be really quite crap at politics...?!

    https://x.com/rosieduffield1/status/1928504221290078284?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Not even an allusion to either. Low grade stuff
    Not a happy camp the Labour one at the moment. Rumours swirl that Morgan is getting the blame for Starmer humiliating himself yesterday in front of the media
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,779
    I recently marched through Edinburgh in tweed jacket + kilt, carrying a bunch of flowers. The looks you get... even better than walking a cute dog.

    I think it does help being reasonably athletic, though it annoys me that a "regular" cut simply doesn't work on a BMI less than 25, and slim fit is a bit teenage.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,668
    viewcode said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    Phil said:

    Jeans & a jacket is the modern “casual formalwear” if you can’t carry off jeans and a t-shirt any more because beer gut + t-shirt isn’t a good look.

    Back in the '50's my father was very much against me wearing jeans. Not 'appropriate wear" as far as he was concerned. However when, against his wishes, I bought a motorbike he relented.
    Do you remember your first long trousers!? I must have been perhaps 10.

    Shorts! Shorts in winter, and especially if it's ridiculously cold.

    Mind you then at high school the rugby lessons used to be much of that ilk. You could get into big trouble if you tried to wear a t-shirt under your rugby shirt. Shorts. socks (not too cowardly long) and a reversable rugby top. Minus 3million degrees in a gale - perfect for a boy's education.
    After the first encounter with rugby, I managed to avoid it by simply not turning up, and seeking sanctuary in the library - a place almost always deserted, and where no one thought to look for me.

    Rugby is best left to those who enjoy inflicting pain on each other.
    I used to canter up and down on the wing hoping the ball would keep its distance.
    Pain is what lets us know we aren't dead
    I am sufficiently informed, yet it continues.
    If it stops you can worry
  • theakestheakes Posts: 963
    Bar Charts. This must be one of the best! Newhaven North by election Lib Dem 51%, Green 9%, Reform 28%, they got the last one right!.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,815

    Evening all
    Extra poll bonus from BMG today in line with everything we've seen recently
    Reform holds 7pt lead in latest @BMGResearch poll for @theipaper

    Ref 31%
    Lab 24%
    Con 18%
    LDs 13%
    Grn 9%

    Reform leads Labour on handling of economy and cost of living, and leads the Tories on... everything.

    Leader ratings: Davey +4, Farage +2, Badenoch -8, Starmer -31

    Badenoch probably pretty relieved to be hanging off the back of the Davey/Farage approval club well clear of Mr unpopular.

    This sort of result seems pretty standard as we stand

    Gives 356 Reform seats and Farage a majority of 62 on that poll
    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=N&CON=18&LAB=24&LIB=13&Reform=31&Green=9&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTReform=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2024base
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,969
    Omnium said:

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    The weird thing is that the high streets are full of clothes shops while, collectively, the public has never looked worse. When no-one had any money, ie the 50s - everyone looked so much smarter.

    I suspect the same could be said of food. The airwaves are dominated by telly-chefs, and again, their are cafes and restaurants everywhere - but the great majority just snack on convenience meals. And everyone looks pasty and overweight.
    Yes, quite.

    I think @Sean_F put it well the other day when he highlighted the decline of menswear departments in M&S, Debenhams and the like as one reason men are so terribly dressed nowadays.

    We see the balance of it on here, where they seemingly don't give a shit about looking like shit.
    The demise of C & A in the UK was the fulcrum point.*

    * I was upset when Austin Reed failed.
    There used to be a huge range of poor menswear retailers.

    John Collier - the window to watch
    Burton - (who knows)

    I can't recall the names of the others. They'd turn you away though if you were young and scruffy.
    Jackson the Tailor used to be big in the North East. I remember their shop in the centre of Gateshead.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,819
    .

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    The weird thing is that the high streets are full of clothes shops while, collectively, the public has never looked worse. When no-one had any money, ie the 50s - everyone looked so much smarter.

    I suspect the same could be said of food. The airwaves are dominated by telly-chefs, and again, their are cafes and restaurants everywhere - but the great majority just snack on convenience meals. And everyone looks pasty and overweight.
    Yes, quite.

    I think @Sean_F put it well the other day when he highlighted the decline of menswear departments in M&S, Debenhams and the like as one reason men are so terribly dressed nowadays.

    We see the balance of it on here, where they seemingly don't give a shit about looking like shit.
    The demise of C & A in the UK was the fulcrum point.*

    * I was upset when Austin Reed failed.
    I used to work at C and A
    Were you the Man at C and A ?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,789
    algarkirk said:

    Omnium said:

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    The weird thing is that the high streets are full of clothes shops while, collectively, the public has never looked worse. When no-one had any money, ie the 50s - everyone looked so much smarter.

    I suspect the same could be said of food. The airwaves are dominated by telly-chefs, and again, their are cafes and restaurants everywhere - but the great majority just snack on convenience meals. And everyone looks pasty and overweight.
    Yes, quite.

    I think @Sean_F put it well the other day when he highlighted the decline of menswear departments in M&S, Debenhams and the like as one reason men are so terribly dressed nowadays.

    We see the balance of it on here, where they seemingly don't give a shit about looking like shit.
    The demise of C & A in the UK was the fulcrum point.*

    * I was upset when Austin Reed failed.
    There used to be a huge range of poor menswear retailers.

    John Collier - the window to watch
    Burton - (who knows)

    I can't recall the names of the others. They'd turn you away though if you were young and scruffy.
    There are relatively few outlets left for men of a certain age who hate clothes, hate shopping, possess exactly one suit which they only wear when compelled, only want to buy exactly the same as they had last time which was 20 years ago and are quite content to look like a tramp.

    For some extraordinary reason they all went out of business. Every 10 years or so I pop into M&S. With luck the current ensemble will see me out.
    Pretty much every man sticks to the style and brands that they liked in their late twenties. It's why we now have punks in old folks homes, and also why twenty-somethings in eighties vox pops dress like old people. The style has aged with them.

    In another couple of decades we will have Social care full of tattooed track suit wearing men.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,995
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    As far as C&A is concerned, whenever a British cruise ship comes into Malaga, a significant number of the passengers head into the city and among those C&A is a target. The menswear area is replete with bored-looking men being bought (or rather having to buy) clothes chosen by their significant others.

    It's not pretty and I've been dragged there by Mrs Stodge - we also visited the one in Geneva where I was made to purchase an excellent winter coat.

    On footwear, I assumed TSE frequented spats....

    Trainers and spats?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,668
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    The weird thing is that the high streets are full of clothes shops while, collectively, the public has never looked worse. When no-one had any money, ie the 50s - everyone looked so much smarter.

    I suspect the same could be said of food. The airwaves are dominated by telly-chefs, and again, their are cafes and restaurants everywhere - but the great majority just snack on convenience meals. And everyone looks pasty and overweight.
    Yes, quite.

    I think @Sean_F put it well the other day when he highlighted the decline of menswear departments in M&S, Debenhams and the like as one reason men are so terribly dressed nowadays.

    We see the balance of it on here, where they seemingly don't give a shit about looking like shit.
    The demise of C & A in the UK was the fulcrum point.*

    * I was upset when Austin Reed failed.
    I used to work at C and A
    Were you the Man at C and A ?
    As I remember the song was "nigel wants to go to C&A"
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,995
    Omnium said:

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    The weird thing is that the high streets are full of clothes shops while, collectively, the public has never looked worse. When no-one had any money, ie the 50s - everyone looked so much smarter.

    I suspect the same could be said of food. The airwaves are dominated by telly-chefs, and again, their are cafes and restaurants everywhere - but the great majority just snack on convenience meals. And everyone looks pasty and overweight.
    Yes, quite.

    I think @Sean_F put it well the other day when he highlighted the decline of menswear departments in M&S, Debenhams and the like as one reason men are so terribly dressed nowadays.

    We see the balance of it on here, where they seemingly don't give a shit about looking like shit.
    The demise of C & A in the UK was the fulcrum point.*

    * I was upset when Austin Reed failed.
    There used to be a huge range of poor menswear retailers.

    John Collier - the window to watch
    Burton - (who knows)

    I can't recall the names of the others. They'd turn you away though if you were young and scruffy.
    Burton (the ten shilling tailor)
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,668
    Foxy said:

    algarkirk said:

    Omnium said:

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    The weird thing is that the high streets are full of clothes shops while, collectively, the public has never looked worse. When no-one had any money, ie the 50s - everyone looked so much smarter.

    I suspect the same could be said of food. The airwaves are dominated by telly-chefs, and again, their are cafes and restaurants everywhere - but the great majority just snack on convenience meals. And everyone looks pasty and overweight.
    Yes, quite.

    I think @Sean_F put it well the other day when he highlighted the decline of menswear departments in M&S, Debenhams and the like as one reason men are so terribly dressed nowadays.

    We see the balance of it on here, where they seemingly don't give a shit about looking like shit.
    The demise of C & A in the UK was the fulcrum point.*

    * I was upset when Austin Reed failed.
    There used to be a huge range of poor menswear retailers.

    John Collier - the window to watch
    Burton - (who knows)

    I can't recall the names of the others. They'd turn you away though if you were young and scruffy.
    There are relatively few outlets left for men of a certain age who hate clothes, hate shopping, possess exactly one suit which they only wear when compelled, only want to buy exactly the same as they had last time which was 20 years ago and are quite content to look like a tramp.

    For some extraordinary reason they all went out of business. Every 10 years or so I pop into M&S. With luck the current ensemble will see me out.
    Pretty much every man sticks to the style and brands that they liked in their late twenties. It's why we now have punks in old folks homes, and also why twenty-somethings in eighties vox pops dress like old people. The style has aged with them.

    In another couple of decades we will have Social care full of tattooed track suit wearing men.
    I am sorry you have to be kidding here surely I grew up in the punk era, most of my friends in my late teens early 20's were punks or goths....by forty most of them were wearing conventional gear, normal jeans, polo shirts, casual long sleeved shirts....the number of pillar box red mohicans, tartan bondage trousers and studded leather jackets were nil.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,774
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    The weird thing is that the high streets are full of clothes shops while, collectively, the public has never looked worse. When no-one had any money, ie the 50s - everyone looked so much smarter.

    I suspect the same could be said of food. The airwaves are dominated by telly-chefs, and again, their are cafes and restaurants everywhere - but the great majority just snack on convenience meals. And everyone looks pasty and overweight.
    Yes, quite.

    I think @Sean_F put it well the other day when he highlighted the decline of menswear departments in M&S, Debenhams and the like as one reason men are so terribly dressed nowadays.

    We see the balance of it on here, where they seemingly don't give a shit about looking like shit.
    The demise of C & A in the UK was the fulcrum point.*

    * I was upset when Austin Reed failed.
    I used to work at C and A
    Were you the Man at C and A ?
    I patrolled the Avanti section like a boss
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,774
    HYUFD said:

    Evening all
    Extra poll bonus from BMG today in line with everything we've seen recently
    Reform holds 7pt lead in latest @BMGResearch poll for @theipaper

    Ref 31%
    Lab 24%
    Con 18%
    LDs 13%
    Grn 9%

    Reform leads Labour on handling of economy and cost of living, and leads the Tories on... everything.

    Leader ratings: Davey +4, Farage +2, Badenoch -8, Starmer -31

    Badenoch probably pretty relieved to be hanging off the back of the Davey/Farage approval club well clear of Mr unpopular.

    This sort of result seems pretty standard as we stand

    Gives 356 Reform seats and Farage a majority of 62 on that poll
    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=N&CON=18&LAB=24&LIB=13&Reform=31&Green=9&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTReform=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2024base
    Back of a fag packet I'd expect an outcome on these figures something like
    Reform 320
    Labour 150
    Conservative 50
    LD 50
    Green 10
    SNP 40
    Plaid 4
    NI and Indy 25
    Speaker 1
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,103
    Why do Essex girls have C+A on their knickers?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,774
    dixiedean said:

    Why do Essex girls have C+A on their knickers?

    Tell which way round to wear them
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,668

    dixiedean said:

    Why do Essex girls have C+A on their knickers?

    Tell which way round to wear them
    Does it matter I thought they used them as ankle ornaments?
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,497
    It looks like we're close to cheap, open source humanoid robots at a price-point where you can talk about one per (uni) student rather than one per class.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,819
    Pagan2 said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    The weird thing is that the high streets are full of clothes shops while, collectively, the public has never looked worse. When no-one had any money, ie the 50s - everyone looked so much smarter.

    I suspect the same could be said of food. The airwaves are dominated by telly-chefs, and again, their are cafes and restaurants everywhere - but the great majority just snack on convenience meals. And everyone looks pasty and overweight.
    Yes, quite.

    I think @Sean_F put it well the other day when he highlighted the decline of menswear departments in M&S, Debenhams and the like as one reason men are so terribly dressed nowadays.

    We see the balance of it on here, where they seemingly don't give a shit about looking like shit.
    The demise of C & A in the UK was the fulcrum point.*

    * I was upset when Austin Reed failed.
    I used to work at C and A
    Were you the Man at C and A ?
    As I remember the song was "nigel wants to go to C&A"
    Not I.
    Back in my suit wearing days I preferred bespoke (surprisingly affordable in Yorkshire then, which is sadly no longer the case).
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,452
    Trump pays tribute to Musk: "One of the greatest business leaders and innovators the world has ever produced. He stepped forward to put his very great talents into the service of our nation and we appreciate it."

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1928524245602284025
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,819

    Trump pays tribute to Musk: "One of the greatest business leaders and innovators the world has ever produced. He stepped forward to put his very great talents into the service of our nation and we appreciate it."

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1928524245602284025

    And ?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,452
    Nigelb said:

    Trump pays tribute to Musk: "One of the greatest business leaders and innovators the world has ever produced. He stepped forward to put his very great talents into the service of our nation and we appreciate it."

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1928524245602284025

    And ?
    It's nice to see such genuine affection and respect at that level.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,476
    carnforth said:

    "The former RBS chief executive, who was sacked as part of a non-negotiable condition of the state rescue, originally walked away with a £16m pension pot that paid out about £700,000 a year. But public outrage forced Goodwin and the bank to halve those payouts to £342,500 a year.

    However, after nearly two decades, an agreement that linked his payouts to the rate of inflation has pushed that figure ever-closer to the original sum."

    The Guardian's understanding of inflation.

    But a serious and familiar problem with private sector pensions that we should do something about!
  • You got bags more buzz at Burton. All I got was a Burton's store card and a couple of hundred quid debt!
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,152

    carnforth said:

    "The former RBS chief executive, who was sacked as part of a non-negotiable condition of the state rescue, originally walked away with a £16m pension pot that paid out about £700,000 a year. But public outrage forced Goodwin and the bank to halve those payouts to £342,500 a year.

    However, after nearly two decades, an agreement that linked his payouts to the rate of inflation has pushed that figure ever-closer to the original sum."

    The Guardian's understanding of inflation.

    But a serious and familiar problem with private sector pensions that we should do something about!
    Who can have their pension taken away having earned it? Police officers, IIRC. Anyone else?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,476

    Nigelb said:

    Trump pays tribute to Musk: "One of the greatest business leaders and innovators the world has ever produced. He stepped forward to put his very great talents into the service of our nation and we appreciate it."

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1928524245602284025

    And ?
    It's nice to see such genuine affection and respect at that level.
    It is, yes, but that isn’t it.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,281
    So Musk has been taking E and Mushrooms as well as Ketamine. I'd have thought the first two would have made him more empathetic, but hey ho.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/30/elon-musk-trump-drug-use
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,687
    Google AI is picking the stories up on 'Would I Lie To You' as fact even when they are lies. Miles Jupp for instance is writing a novel with two detectives Nice and Spicy. Sadly no he isn't.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,315

    Sadly we live in a very badly dressed age. I don't exclude myself from that critique, though I try to dress appropriately and would never wear trainers with a suit.

    https://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14-23.jpg

    A football fan in the 1930s - full article here:

    https://designyoutrust.com/2019/10/stunning-vintage-photos-of-british-football-fans-from-the-1900s-to-1940s/

    I mean what have we become.

    We have moved from dressing for the pleasure of others to dressing for the pleasure of ourselves.
    The weird thing is that the high streets are full of clothes shops while, collectively, the public has never looked worse. When no-one had any money, ie the 50s - everyone looked so much smarter.

    I suspect the same could be said of food. The airwaves are dominated by telly-chefs, and again, their are cafes and restaurants everywhere - but the great majority just snack on convenience meals. And everyone looks pasty and overweight.
    Yes, quite.

    I think @Sean_F put it well the other day when he highlighted the decline of menswear departments in M&S, Debenhams and the like as one reason men are so terribly dressed nowadays.

    We see the balance of it on here, where they seemingly don't give a shit about looking like shit.
    The demise of C & A in the UK was the fulcrum point.*

    * I was upset when Austin Reed failed.
    I used to work at C and A
    Even Ilford had a C & A, so did neighbouring Romford. Long closed, of course, though I was pleasantly surprised to see branches in both Vienna, and Chur, Switzerland in the 2000s.
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