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  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,602
    edited May 24
    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Does that mean Morgan McSweeney has been given his P45 . He apparently wanted to keep the cap .
    Maybe Keir will realise eventually it's not the conveyer belt of chiefs of staff that's the problem.

    That aside 'we've pissed a lot of people off, let's reverse course and hope some of them come back whilst pissing off the ones who weren't pissed off before' took the Tories several years. Keirs done it in 1. Giant
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,119

    RobD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not this four start hotel shit again. Please.

    We could always talk about AV or cash instead.
    What about Scottish Independence?
    My holiday starts next Friday.

    I have, inter alia, threads about AV, Scottish Independence, Cash, and why patriots want to rejoin the EU whilst traitors want us to keep us outside the EU planned.
    I look forward to reading all of them, because we can be absolutely sure that nothing newsworthy will happen during your holiday.
    Keep 4th and 5th of June clear as I am going to be incommunicado those days.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,640

    isam said:

    isam said:

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    They are not taking down the Ukrainian flag. They are taking down all flags except the union flag, cross of st. George and county flags.

    I’m not a Reform supporter and will never vote for Farage. But this sort of misrepresentation just pisses me when off. This board relies on accurate information / assessment for people to for their betting judgements.
    Given per the article the only flag taken down so
    far has been the Ukrainian one, possibly
    you are misrepresenting them.
    Evidence? You have one quote from Kent.

    Moreover there have been complaints year in and year out about pride flags etc. so it may not have been seen in the last 3 weeks but that doesn’t mean it was the motivating factor

    Evidence was the article you are complaining about.

    Actually the story is a party that happily decries gesture politics in others trips up when indulging in performative flag banning themselves and they don't like it being pointed out.
    The quote fron the article is:

    one of Reform’s first acts was to take down the Ukrainian flag – hoisted to show solidarity with the war-besieged nation – and vowed not to fly rainbow-coloured flags in support of LGBTQ+ residents

    Which demonstrates that it is not just about
    Ukraine but a broader campaign of
    nastiness. Which is exactly my point.
    We're beating this to death but you claimed
    a factual statement was misrepresentation.
    I’m even boring myself!

    But the statement was So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag

    That’s simply not true. At the very minimum Reform’s agenda included banning Palestinian and Pride flags.

    That seems like a minor error compared to many repeated here often (e.g. exaggerated costs of the Chagos deal, asylum seekers supposedly staying in 4* hotels).
    Nope.

    On Chagas - assuming they are accurate: I haven’t done the maths - it’s just discounted vs non discounted.

    On 4* hotels I believe that you argue they no longer have the facilities that would win a 4* rating. But until they are reinspected they are a 4* hotel…
    That attempted sophistry around 4* hotels is a much more aggressive attack on the truth than saying Reform UK are taking down Ukrainian flags. This board relies on accurate information / assessment for people to inform their betting judgements.
    The 4* Hotels debate can be argued from both sides, and the other would think they're being lied to.

    One side sees what was previously a 4* hotel being used to house illegal immigrants, and considers it a 4* hotel lost. The other ignores that it ever was a 4* hotel.

    Put it this way, if the illegals were housed in Buckingham Palace, the Royal Family and all their staff having moved out and the name being changed to Asylum Village, it wouldn't be unreasonable to say "They're putting the boat people up in Buckingham Bleeding Palace" even though the boat people weren't being treated like royalty and it was no longer called Buckingham Palace
    It’s definitely a 4* hotel that’s been lost. No-one has disagreed with that. It is not still a 4* hotel.

    Reform UK are definitely pulling down Ukrainian flags. They are also pulling down other flags.

    Your Buckingham Palace analogy is poor.
    In what way is it poor? It is analogous to a 4* hotel that is no longer a 4* hotel now it is being used to house illegal immigrants.

    The locals still refer to it as what it was previously. What is the difference?
    It’s also quite likely that, after the migrants leave, the owners will use the profits from the arrangement to do a massive rework of the hotel, restoring it to being a 4* hotel.
    ...and then it will go bust after a few years because it won't get used...
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,602

    RobD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not this four start hotel shit again. Please.

    We could always talk about AV or cash instead.
    What about Scottish Independence?
    My holiday starts next Friday.

    I have, inter alia, threads about AV, Scottish Independence, Cash, and why patriots want to rejoin the EU whilst traitors want us to keep us outside the EU planned.
    I look forward to reading all of them, because we can be absolutely sure that nothing newsworthy will happen during your holiday.
    Keep 4th and 5th of June clear as I am going to be incommunicado those days.
    Round about Angie resigns over disability time
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,842
    Sean_F said:

    isam said:

    From Labour’s Leader in the EU Parliament no less

    So, the #BBC protected:

    - Jimmy Saville
    - Gary Glitter
    - Rolf Harries
    - Nigel Farage
    - Huw Edwards
    - etc

    But get rid of Gary Lineker

    !?!?!


    https://x.com/richardgcorbett/status/1926028346808287378?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    That tweet seems libellous to me.
    Yes, the misspelling of Savile and Harris is scandalous.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,416
    RobD said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    About that black hole….
    Yes but trade deals have fired up the economy !!!!!!!!!!!!

    In truth the firing should be Starmer and Reeves
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,802
    nico67 said:
    For Netanyahu, dead doctors are a matter for rejoicing.

    Along with Putin, Kim Jong Un, Xi, he ranks among humanity’s most despicable specimens.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,964
    ohn Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul

    Inside Labour plot to oust Keir Starmer as prime minister is given 12 months to turn things around | The Independent

    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1926338254669840412
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,602
    Andy_JS said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Where are they going to get the money from?
    We will now require 140 points in every section and to be radioactive to claim 10% PIP
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,466

    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Does that mean Morgan McSweeney has been given his P45 . He apparently wanted to keep the cap .
    Maybe Keir will realise eventually it's not the conveyer belt of chiefs of staff that's the problem.

    That aside 'we've pissed a lot of people off, let's reverse course and hope some of them come back whilst pissing off the ones who weren't pissed off before' took the Tories several years. Keirs done it in 1. Giant
    The key problem with this Labour government is they still haven't quite worked out who they're for yet.

    They therefore risk annoying everyone at least a little, while pleasing very few.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,416
    edited May 24
    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Does that mean Morgan McSweeney has been given his P45 . He apparently wanted to keep the cap .
    Actually so does the public

    Public-support-retaining-the-two-child-benefit-limit-as-starmer-gears-up-for-first-rebellion

    Regardless of the merits of the policy, the Labour leadership will be reassured that their current pledge of keeping the two-child limit is supported by six in ten Britons (60%), with less than three in ten (28%) believing it should be abolished.

    There is support for keeping the cap across almost all voting and social groups, including Labour voters, who back it by 50% to 38%. The only exception is among 18-24 year olds, only a third (32%) of whom think the cap should be kept, with nearly half (46%) opposing it. Older voters are far more likely to favour the policy, with 69% of over-65s wanting it to stay and only 21% believing it should be abolished.

    Yougov July 24
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,761

    ohn Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul

    Inside Labour plot to oust Keir Starmer as prime minister is given 12 months to turn things around | The Independent

    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1926338254669840412

    Kemi probably on a similar deadline to improve poll ratings from Conservative MPs
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,802

    nico67 said:
    Clearly there’s been no birth control in Gaza for some time.

    Absolutely tragic story. Perhaps Gazans might reflect on why this is happening and get rid of Hamas?
    Two things can be true simultaneously. Hamas is evil. The Israeli Cabinet is evil.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,602

    ohn Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul

    Inside Labour plot to oust Keir Starmer as prime minister is given 12 months to turn things around | The Independent

    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1926338254669840412

    12 months my arse.
    That's what they said about Kemi on May 2nd and apparently the Sundays aren't good for her
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,602

    RobD said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    About that black hole….
    Yes but trade deals have fired up the economy !!!!!!!!!!!!

    In truth the firing should be Starmer and Reeves
    'We are prepared to unmake the difficult choices'
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,761
    edited May 24

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    A Chav's Charter to churn out yet more feral, delinquent kids. Marvellous.
    I think now our fertility rate is well below replacement level of 2.1 even conservatives would scrap it or at least raise the cap from 2 to 3 children
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,119
    edited May 24
    Sean_F said:

    nico67 said:
    For Netanyahu, dead doctors are a matter for rejoicing.

    Along with Putin, Kim Jong Un, Xi, he ranks among humanity’s most despicable specimens.
    There was a clip on social media a few weeks ago with a settler couple who, and I paraphrase slightly, said it is okay to kill Gazan babies/children because these kids would one day turn into potential murderers of Jews and Bibi knows that so that's why he's killing them and why it is God's will.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,759

    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Does that mean Morgan McSweeney has been given his P45 . He apparently wanted to keep the cap .
    Maybe Keir will realise eventually it's not the conveyer belt of chiefs of staff that's the problem.

    That aside 'we've pissed a lot of people off, let's reverse course and hope some of them come back whilst pissing off the ones who weren't pissed off before' took the Tories several years. Keirs done it in 1. Giant
    Something admirable I have said about Starmer before. He makes a lot of mistakes, but he rarely makes the same mistake twice.

    Unlike Kemi, who is falling into the same Pooh traps now as when she rose to prominence. Or Boris, whose talents and flaws have been set in stone since he a a teenager.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,466

    ohn Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul

    Inside Labour plot to oust Keir Starmer as prime minister is given 12 months to turn things around | The Independent

    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1926338254669840412

    It would be quite something for Labour to import the revolving leadership door from the Tories after just 2 years in office.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,566

    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Does that mean Morgan McSweeney has been given his P45 . He apparently wanted to keep the cap .
    Maybe Keir will realise eventually it's not the conveyer belt of chiefs of staff that's the problem.

    That aside 'we've pissed a lot of people off, let's reverse course and hope some of them come back whilst pissing off the ones who weren't pissed off before' took the Tories several years. Keirs done it in 1. Giant
    The key problem with this Labour government is they still haven't quite worked out who they're for yet.

    They therefore risk annoying everyone at least a little, while pleasing very few.
    It’s a mess. There’s no direction and the Reform tribute act is turning off many voters .
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,802

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    A Chav's Charter to churn out yet more feral, delinquent kids. Marvellous.
    Excessive numbers of children are not a problem, right now.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,416
    Pulpstar said:

    Why is Trump specifically targeting iPhones ?
    Is he working for Samsung or something ?

    Apparently it also applies to Samsung
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,759

    Andy_JS said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Where are they going to get the money from?
    We will now require 140 points in every section and to be radioactive to claim 10% PIP
    Nah, if they are radioactive, they can get a job in one of these new small modular reactors. As an energy source, if nothing else.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,802

    Sean_F said:

    nico67 said:
    For Netanyahu, dead doctors are a matter for rejoicing.

    Along with Putin, Kim Jong Un, Xi, he ranks among humanity’s most despicable specimens.
    There was a clip on social media a few weeks ago with a settler couple who, and I paraphrase slightly, said it is okay to kill Gazan babies/children because these kids would one day turn into potential murderers of Jews and Bibi knows that so that's why he's killing them and why it is God's will.
    I saw that reported.

    In terms they should understand, but don’t, when you sow the wind, you reap the whirlwind.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,842

    ohn Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul

    Inside Labour plot to oust Keir Starmer as prime minister is given 12 months to turn things around | The Independent

    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1926338254669840412

    A 12-month plot is hardly worthy of the name – it's a wishlist not a plan. There is no real mechanism to oust Starmer but I expect him to retire early anyway.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,637
    Pleased for the Arsenal women. At the forefront of women's football for many decades, long before the other big teams got involved as they saw a business opportunity.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,119
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    nico67 said:
    For Netanyahu, dead doctors are a matter for rejoicing.

    Along with Putin, Kim Jong Un, Xi, he ranks among humanity’s most despicable specimens.
    There was a clip on social media a few weeks ago with a settler couple who, and I paraphrase slightly, said it is okay to kill Gazan babies/children because these kids would one day turn into potential murderers of Jews and Bibi knows that so that's why he's killing them and why it is God's will.
    I saw that reported.

    In terms they should understand, but don’t, when you sow the wind, you reap the whirlwind.
    I have a Jewish heritage historian friend and he observes it has hard to distinguish these days between what some Jews says about the Palestinians and what the Nazis said about the Jews.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,602
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Does that mean Morgan McSweeney has been given his P45 . He apparently wanted to keep the cap .
    Maybe Keir will realise eventually it's not the conveyer belt of chiefs of staff that's the problem.

    That aside 'we've pissed a lot of people off, let's reverse course and hope some of them come back whilst pissing off the ones who weren't pissed off before' took the Tories several years. Keirs done it in 1. Giant
    The key problem with this Labour government is they still haven't quite worked out who they're for yet.

    They therefore risk annoying everyone at least a little, while pleasing very few.
    It’s a mess. There’s no direction and the Reform tribute act is turning off many voters .
    Nothing he says lasts the week, none of it is credible nor has any gravitas. He's cold, unlikeable and seedy. Like hugging the corpse of a seal. He surrounds himself and fills his cabinet with hateful people and Walter Mitty types and has a very waspish temper when challenged - his petulant Liz Szvile Roberts moment and some of his other PMQs responses show it clearly.
    Nobody believes a word of his 'everything i do, I do it for you' shtick
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,119
    tlg86 said:

    Pleased for the Arsenal women. At the forefront of women's football for many decades, long before the other big teams got involved as they saw a business opportunity.

    I thought the club treated them shabbily this season by shunting off one of their fixtures to Meadow Park to make way for the men.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,602

    Andy_JS said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Where are they going to get the money from?
    We will now require 140 points in every section and to be radioactive to claim 10% PIP
    Nah, if they are radioactive, they can get a job in one of these new small modular reactors. As an energy source, if nothing else.
    I've renamed myself Rod in preparation
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,952
    edited May 24
    Sean_F said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    A Chav's Charter to churn out yet more feral, delinquent kids. Marvellous.
    Excessive numbers of children are not a problem, right now.
    Tell that to the people whose lives are blighted by the toerags.

    Children who will be a drain on society throughout their lives benefit nobody.

    Edit: Except their parents, who receive the cash handouts.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,637

    tlg86 said:

    Pleased for the Arsenal women. At the forefront of women's football for many decades, long before the other big teams got involved as they saw a business opportunity.

    I thought the club treated them shabbily this season by shunting off one of their fixtures to Meadow Park to make way for the men.
    Lol, your lot don't even play in Liverpool.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,602
    Rayner won't last a year now shes put her head up so there's no 12 month thing, the attempt is happening this summer. We will see how it goes.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,759

    Andy_JS said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Where are they going to get the money from?
    We will now require 140 points in every section and to be radioactive to claim 10% PIP
    Nah, if they are radioactive, they can get a job in one of these new small modular reactors. As an energy source, if nothing else.
    I've renamed myself Rod in preparation
    I could bore on with lots of puns here.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,849

    nico67 said:
    Clearly there’s been no birth control in Gaza for some time.

    Absolutely tragic story. Perhaps Gazans might reflect on why this is happening and get rid of Hamas?
    Perhaps you might reflect why the Israel army killing Gazan babies is unlikely to lead to such an outcome.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,119
    @Sunil_Prasannan

    Don't go see the latest Mission: Impossible film, it will trigger you.

    Apparently there's a Trafalgar Square tube station.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,678

    ohn Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul

    Inside Labour plot to oust Keir Starmer as prime minister is given 12 months to turn things around | The Independent

    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1926338254669840412

    https://archive.is/Zp8OQ
  • isamisam Posts: 41,869

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Does that mean Morgan McSweeney has been given his P45 . He apparently wanted to keep the cap .
    Maybe Keir will realise eventually it's not the conveyer belt of chiefs of staff that's the problem.

    That aside 'we've pissed a lot of people off, let's reverse course and hope some of them come back whilst pissing off the ones who weren't pissed off before' took the Tories several years. Keirs done it in 1. Giant
    The key problem with this Labour government is they still haven't quite worked out who they're for yet.

    They therefore risk annoying everyone at least a little, while pleasing very few.
    It’s a mess. There’s no direction and the Reform tribute act is turning off many voters .
    Nothing he says lasts the week, none of it is credible nor has any gravitas. He's cold, unlikeable and seedy. Like hugging the corpse of a seal. He surrounds himself and fills his cabinet with hateful people and Walter Mitty types and has a very waspish temper when challenged - his petulant Liz Szvile Roberts moment and some of his other PMQs responses show it clearly.
    Nobody believes a word of his 'everything i do, I do it for you' shtick
    The Liz Saville moment was beautiful; On Wednesday May 14th he responded very haughtily to the suggestion that nothing he believes in lasts a week in Downing St, and on Tuesday May 20th he gave a fulsome apology for said reaction
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,678
    I cheated. I saw it early. All the leaks were true. It does make me worried for next week... :(
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,006

    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Does that mean Morgan McSweeney has been given his P45 . He apparently wanted to keep the cap .
    Actually so does the public

    Public-support-retaining-the-two-child-benefit-limit-as-starmer-gears-up-for-first-rebellion

    Regardless of the merits of the policy, the Labour leadership will be reassured that their current pledge of keeping the two-child limit is supported by six in ten Britons (60%), with less than three in ten (28%) believing it should be abolished.

    There is support for keeping the cap across almost all voting and social groups, including Labour voters, who back it by 50% to 38%. The only exception is among 18-24 year olds, only a third (32%) of whom think the cap should be kept, with nearly half (46%) opposing it. Older voters are far more likely to favour the policy, with 69% of over-65s wanting it to stay and only 21% believing it should be abolished.

    Yougov July 24
    They do. And what it boils down to is that the public wants to use child poverty as a punishment for what they see as bad behaviours. I guess they don't express it that way, but that is what it is. I'm pretty sure Keir Starmer knows this, just as about everyone else interested in the topic across the political spectrum does. So what does he do? Does he ignore them, face them down, try to educate/reason or give in?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,861
    Sean_F said:

    nico67 said:
    For Netanyahu, dead doctors are a matter for rejoicing.

    Along with Putin, Kim Jong Un, Xi, he ranks among humanity’s most despicable specimens.
    He hates Starmer ( and Macron ) so surely for the PB massive he's not all bad.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,964
    Sunder Katwala (sundersays)
    @sundersays.bsky.social‬
    There was an absolutely absurd claim that half a million people would be taking part in a 'Great British National Strike' this Saturday lunchtime, as part of a summer of 'strikes' to bring the country to a halt.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3lpwqximdvc22
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,952

    @Sunil_Prasannan

    Don't go see the latest Mission: Impossible film, it will trigger you.

    Apparently there's a Trafalgar Square tube station.

    The Northern Line and Bakerloo Line parts of present Charing Cross station were originally opened as two separate stations but were combined when the Jubilee Line was opened.

    The Bakerloo Line platforms were opened as ‘Trafalgar Square’ by the Baker Street & Waterloo Railway.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,119

    Sean_F said:

    nico67 said:
    For Netanyahu, dead doctors are a matter for rejoicing.

    Along with Putin, Kim Jong Un, Xi, he ranks among humanity’s most despicable specimens.
    He hates Starmer ( and Macron ) so surely for the PB massive he's not all bad.
    Thoughts and prayers for the Corbynite cranks though.

    Bibi saying he hates Starmer must have caused some anguish for them this week.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,602
    He's now officially (according to me) the worst PM of my lifetime. By a country mile.
    Worse than Brown, worse than Heath. Worse than Mary Elizabeth Truss by 2 country miles
  • isamisam Posts: 41,869
    viewcode said:

    ohn Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul

    Inside Labour plot to oust Keir Starmer as prime minister is given 12 months to turn things around | The Independent

    https://x.com/JohnRentoul/status/1926338254669840412

    https://archive.is/Zp8OQ
    I don't think I will bother scrabbling around to find my £100 at 50/1 Jess Phillips to be next Lab leader betting slip.

    But "Visceral personal hatred" on the doorstep for Sir Keir is unsurprising; he always was nothing but an unlikeable wet fish who was lucky enough to be the beneficiary of Tory chaos and the right splitting. I knew the public would never warm to him, but I thought that would stop him being elected rather than be hated as a PM, I thought he would be competent if he got the gig
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,750

    isam said:

    isam said:

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/24/posturing-farages-reform-quake-so-far-limited-to-small-acts-of-war-on-woke

    So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag - perhaps unsurprising given Farage's past relationship with Russia Today. The comments from the independent Durham councillor at the end of the article seem quite perceptive. I would guess a Reform government would be quite a disappointment to its supporters. Complex problems are not easily fixed by simplistic solutions.

    They are not taking down the Ukrainian flag. They are taking down all flags except the union flag, cross of st. George and county flags.

    I’m not a Reform supporter and will never vote for Farage. But this sort of misrepresentation just pisses me when off. This board relies on accurate information / assessment for people to for their betting judgements.
    Given per the article the only flag taken down so
    far has been the Ukrainian one, possibly
    you are misrepresenting them.
    Evidence? You have one quote from Kent.

    Moreover there have been complaints year in and year out about pride flags etc. so it may not have been seen in the last 3 weeks but that doesn’t mean it was the motivating factor

    Evidence was the article you are complaining about.

    Actually the story is a party that happily decries gesture politics in others trips up when indulging in performative flag banning themselves and they don't like it being pointed out.
    The quote fron the article is:

    one of Reform’s first acts was to take down the Ukrainian flag – hoisted to show solidarity with the war-besieged nation – and vowed not to fly rainbow-coloured flags in support of LGBTQ+ residents

    Which demonstrates that it is not just about
    Ukraine but a broader campaign of
    nastiness. Which is exactly my point.
    We're beating this to death but you claimed
    a factual statement was misrepresentation.
    I’m even boring myself!

    But the statement was So far Reform's agenda in local government seems to extend no further than taking down the Ukrainian flag

    That’s simply not true. At the very minimum Reform’s agenda included banning Palestinian and Pride flags.

    That seems like a minor error compared to many repeated here often (e.g. exaggerated costs of the Chagos deal, asylum seekers supposedly staying in 4* hotels).
    Nope.

    On Chagas - assuming they are accurate: I haven’t done the maths - it’s just discounted vs non discounted.

    On 4* hotels I believe that you argue they no longer have the facilities that would win a 4* rating. But until they are reinspected they are a 4* hotel…
    That attempted sophistry around 4* hotels is a much more aggressive attack on the truth than saying Reform UK are taking down Ukrainian flags. This board relies on accurate information / assessment for people to inform their betting judgements.
    The 4* Hotels debate can be argued from both sides, and the other would think they're being lied to.

    One side sees what was previously a 4* hotel being used to house illegal immigrants, and considers it a 4* hotel lost. The other ignores that it ever was a 4* hotel.

    Put it this way, if the illegals were housed in Buckingham Palace, the Royal Family and all their staff having moved out and the name being changed to Asylum Village, it wouldn't be unreasonable to say "They're putting the boat people up in Buckingham Bleeding Palace" even though the boat people weren't being treated like royalty and it was no longer called Buckingham Palace
    It’s definitely a 4* hotel that’s been lost. No-one has disagreed with that. It is not still a 4* hotel.

    Reform UK are definitely pulling down Ukrainian flags. They are also pulling down other flags.

    Your Buckingham Palace analogy is poor.
    In what way is it poor? It is analogous to a 4* hotel that is no longer a 4* hotel now it is being used to house illegal immigrants.

    The locals still refer to it as what it was previously. What is the difference?
    It’s also quite likely that, after the migrants leave, the owners will use the profits from the arrangement to do a massive rework of the hotel, restoring it to being a 4* hotel.
    ...and then it will go bust after a few years because it won't get used...
    Why in particular? Most of these places were functioning hotels before conversion. Some run down a bit and heading towards a refit cycle, true.

    100% occupancy (taking over the entire hotel) for years on end is a hotel owners dream. Huge savings in staff and no seasonal risks.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,119
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pleased for the Arsenal women. At the forefront of women's football for many decades, long before the other big teams got involved as they saw a business opportunity.

    I thought the club treated them shabbily this season by shunting off one of their fixtures to Meadow Park to make way for the men.
    Lol, your lot don't even play in Liverpool.
    They regularly play at Anfield.

    Plus they have one of the best training grounds in the world.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,678
    edited May 24

    @Sunil_Prasannan

    Don't go see the latest Mission: Impossible film, it will trigger you.

    Apparently there's a Trafalgar Square tube station.

    The Northern Line and Bakerloo Line parts of present Charing Cross station were originally opened as two separate stations but were combined when the Jubilee Line was opened.

    The Bakerloo Line platforms were opened as ‘Trafalgar Square’ by the Baker Street & Waterloo Railway.
    You are trainsplaining to the God Of Trains. Brave move, sir.

    [Edit. I thought @Sunil_Prasannan had written it. Turns out @TheScreamingEagles had written it. For the joke to work I promote @TSE to the Demigod Of Trains for the moment. As the Anti-God Of Trains I have the authority to do that. All Hail Beeching.]
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,848

    RobD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not this four start hotel shit again. Please.

    We could always talk about AV or cash instead.
    What about Scottish Independence?
    My holiday starts next Friday.

    I have, inter alia, threads about AV, Scottish Independence, Cash, and why patriots want to rejoin the EU whilst traitors want us to keep us outside the EU planned.
    I look forward to reading all of them, because we can be absolutely sure that nothing newsworthy will happen during your holiday.
    Keep 4th and 5th of June clear as I am going to be incommunicado those days.
    Can I ask you to reconsider? Those are the days my house move is meant to be starting.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,689
    Andy_JS said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Where are they going to get the money from?
    Some suggestion of an online gambling tax
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,543

    Sunder Katwala (sundersays)
    @sundersays.bsky.social‬
    There was an absolutely absurd claim that half a million people would be taking part in a 'Great British National Strike' this Saturday lunchtime, as part of a summer of 'strikes' to bring the country to a halt.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3lpwqximdvc22

    Tbf I bet 10s of millions across the country were not working this lunchtime.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,119
    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not this four start hotel shit again. Please.

    We could always talk about AV or cash instead.
    What about Scottish Independence?
    My holiday starts next Friday.

    I have, inter alia, threads about AV, Scottish Independence, Cash, and why patriots want to rejoin the EU whilst traitors want us to keep us outside the EU planned.
    I look forward to reading all of them, because we can be absolutely sure that nothing newsworthy will happen during your holiday.
    Keep 4th and 5th of June clear as I am going to be incommunicado those days.
    Can I ask you to reconsider? Those are the days my house move is meant to be starting.
    I wish I could but it will require my friends to change their wedding date.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,416
    FF43 said:

    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Does that mean Morgan McSweeney has been given his P45 . He apparently wanted to keep the cap .
    Actually so does the public

    Public-support-retaining-the-two-child-benefit-limit-as-starmer-gears-up-for-first-rebellion

    Regardless of the merits of the policy, the Labour leadership will be reassured that their current pledge of keeping the two-child limit is supported by six in ten Britons (60%), with less than three in ten (28%) believing it should be abolished.

    There is support for keeping the cap across almost all voting and social groups, including Labour voters, who back it by 50% to 38%. The only exception is among 18-24 year olds, only a third (32%) of whom think the cap should be kept, with nearly half (46%) opposing it. Older voters are far more likely to favour the policy, with 69% of over-65s wanting it to stay and only 21% believing it should be abolished.

    Yougov July 24
    They do. And what it boils down to is that the public wants to use child poverty as a punishment for what they see as bad behaviours. I guess they don't express it that way, but that is what it is. I'm pretty sure Keir Starmer knows this, just as about everyone else interested in the topic across the political spectrum does. So what does he do? Does he ignore them, face them down, try to educate/reason or give in?
    He has to find the money first, along with reversing WFP and finding the finance for the public sector wage and pension increases, though word is Reeves is only funding 2.8% of the public sector wage increases with the rest coming out of their budgets

    Lets be honest, Starmer is simply not upto being PM and his ambition to be Attorney General should have been his destiny
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,848

    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not this four start hotel shit again. Please.

    We could always talk about AV or cash instead.
    What about Scottish Independence?
    My holiday starts next Friday.

    I have, inter alia, threads about AV, Scottish Independence, Cash, and why patriots want to rejoin the EU whilst traitors want us to keep us outside the EU planned.
    I look forward to reading all of them, because we can be absolutely sure that nothing newsworthy will happen during your holiday.
    Keep 4th and 5th of June clear as I am going to be incommunicado those days.
    Can I ask you to reconsider? Those are the days my house move is meant to be starting.
    I wish I could but it will require my friends to change their wedding date.
    Can't you suggest they just live in sin?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,416

    Sean_F said:

    nico67 said:
    For Netanyahu, dead doctors are a matter for rejoicing.

    Along with Putin, Kim Jong Un, Xi, he ranks among humanity’s most despicable specimens.
    He hates Starmer ( and Macron ) so surely for the PB massive he's not all bad.
    I cannot think of any poster that backs Netanyahu on here
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,119
    viewcode said:

    @Sunil_Prasannan

    Don't go see the latest Mission: Impossible film, it will trigger you.

    Apparently there's a Trafalgar Square tube station.

    The Northern Line and Bakerloo Line parts of present Charing Cross station were originally opened as two separate stations but were combined when the Jubilee Line was opened.

    The Bakerloo Line platforms were opened as ‘Trafalgar Square’ by the Baker Street & Waterloo Railway.
    You are trainsplaining to the God Of Trains. Brave move, sir.

    [Edit. I thought @Sunil_Prasannan had written it. Turns out @TheScreamingEagles had written it. For the joke to work I promote @TSE to the Demigod Of Trains for the moment. As the Anti-God Of Trains I have the authority to do that. All Hail Beeching.]
    I am the God of trains.

    I use them a lot on a regular basis.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,964
    edited May 24
    rkrkrk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Where are they going to get the money from?
    Some suggestion of an online gambling tax
    Article on this in this week's New Statesman which is guest edited by Gordon Brown.

    Many EU countries tax online betting and gambling more highly than us apparently.


    Edit: Most of this week's issue is about child poverty. Amazing coincidence.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,761

    Sean_F said:

    nico67 said:
    For Netanyahu, dead doctors are a matter for rejoicing.

    Along with Putin, Kim Jong Un, Xi, he ranks among humanity’s most despicable specimens.
    He hates Starmer ( and Macron ) so surely for the PB massive he's not all bad.
    Thoughts and prayers for the Corbynite cranks though.

    Bibi saying he hates Starmer must have caused some anguish for them this week.
    Great news for Redbridge and Birmingham and Leicester Labour though
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,119
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not this four start hotel shit again. Please.

    We could always talk about AV or cash instead.
    What about Scottish Independence?
    My holiday starts next Friday.

    I have, inter alia, threads about AV, Scottish Independence, Cash, and why patriots want to rejoin the EU whilst traitors want us to keep us outside the EU planned.
    I look forward to reading all of them, because we can be absolutely sure that nothing newsworthy will happen during your holiday.
    Keep 4th and 5th of June clear as I am going to be incommunicado those days.
    Can I ask you to reconsider? Those are the days my house move is meant to be starting.
    I wish I could but it will require my friends to change their wedding date.
    Can't you suggest they just live in sin?
    Hah.

    I have lived in sin with the bride to be.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,566
    rkrkrk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Where are they going to get the money from?
    Some suggestion of an online gambling tax
    Good . The UK is overrun with online gambling which is very corrosive for society . Gambling addiction is a terrible thing and destroys lives . Online betting companies should be banned from sponsoring football teams .
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,678

    RobD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not this four start hotel shit again. Please.

    We could always talk about AV or cash instead.
    What about Scottish Independence?
    My holiday starts next Friday.

    I have, inter alia, threads about AV, Scottish Independence, Cash, and why patriots want to rejoin the EU whilst traitors want us to keep us outside the EU planned.
    ...and the last episode of Dr Who ("The Reality War") is the next day. And the entire plot has leaked so I know what happens. Lawks, but you do pick them... :(
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,861

    FF43 said:

    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Does that mean Morgan McSweeney has been given his P45 . He apparently wanted to keep the cap .
    Actually so does the public

    Public-support-retaining-the-two-child-benefit-limit-as-starmer-gears-up-for-first-rebellion

    Regardless of the merits of the policy, the Labour leadership will be reassured that their current pledge of keeping the two-child limit is supported by six in ten Britons (60%), with less than three in ten (28%) believing it should be abolished.

    There is support for keeping the cap across almost all voting and social groups, including Labour voters, who back it by 50% to 38%. The only exception is among 18-24 year olds, only a third (32%) of whom think the cap should be kept, with nearly half (46%) opposing it. Older voters are far more likely to favour the policy, with 69% of over-65s wanting it to stay and only 21% believing it should be abolished.

    Yougov July 24
    They do. And what it boils down to is that the public wants to use child poverty as a punishment for what they see as bad behaviours. I guess they don't express it that way, but that is what it is. I'm pretty sure Keir Starmer knows this, just as about everyone else interested in the topic across the political spectrum does. So what does he do? Does he ignore them, face them down, try to educate/reason or give in?
    He has to find the money first, along with reversing WFP and finding the finance for the public sector wage and pension increases, though word is Reeves is only funding 2.8% of the public sector wage increases with the rest coming out of their budgets

    Lets be honest, Starmer is simply not upto being PM and his ambition to be Attorney General should have been his destiny
    And the King and Queen of our hearts and Downing Street have just had little Poppy...
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,543

    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Does that mean Morgan McSweeney has been given his P45 . He apparently wanted to keep the cap .
    Actually so does the public

    Public-support-retaining-the-two-child-benefit-limit-as-starmer-gears-up-for-first-rebellion

    Regardless of the merits of the policy, the Labour leadership will be reassured that their current pledge of keeping the two-child limit is supported by six in ten Britons (60%), with less than three in ten (28%) believing it should be abolished.

    There is support for keeping the cap across almost all voting and social groups, including Labour voters, who back it by 50% to 38%. The only exception is among 18-24 year olds, only a third (32%) of whom think the cap should be kept, with nearly half (46%) opposing it. Older voters are far more likely to favour the policy, with 69% of over-65s wanting it to stay and only 21% believing it should be abolished.

    Yougov July 24
    I think it's largely symbolic. In 6+ years working for Citizens Advice I have hardly ever seen a client who has been affected by the cap. Some would argue that shows the cap works but we're talking about people who generally don't do that kind of calculation, so I doubt it works as a disincentive to have children.

    OTOH the children of those capped families are adversely impacted through no fault of their own, so I'd scrap it for their sakes.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,119
    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Where are they going to get the money from?
    Some suggestion of an online gambling tax
    Good . The UK is overrun with online gambling which is very corrosive for society . Gambling addiction is a terrible thing and destroys lives . Online betting companies should be banned from sponsoring football teams .
    It will happen from the 26/27 season, something the Tories got right.

    https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12856367/premier-league-clubs-agree-to-withdraw-gambling-sponsorships-on-front-of-shirts
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,615

    He's now officially (according to me) the worst PM of my lifetime. By a country mile.
    Worse than Brown, worse than Heath. Worse than Mary Elizabeth Truss by 2 country miles

    Who would you have as Prime Minister?

    Seriously, he's not that bad - for me, Heath was the worst followed by Truss. The best? For me, first term Blair.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,869
    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Where are they going to get the money from?
    Some suggestion of an online gambling tax
    Good . The UK is overrun with online gambling which is very corrosive for society . Gambling addiction is a terrible thing and destroys lives . Online betting companies should be banned from sponsoring football teams .
    Addiction schmiction. If people lose more money than they can afford gambling it is entirely their own fault. The cry baby "addict" excuse is a complete embarrassment
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,543

    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Where are they going to get the money from?
    Some suggestion of an online gambling tax
    Good . The UK is overrun with online gambling which is very corrosive for society . Gambling addiction is a terrible thing and destroys lives . Online betting companies should be banned from sponsoring football teams .
    It will happen from the 26/27 season, something the Tories got right.

    https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12856367/premier-league-clubs-agree-to-withdraw-gambling-sponsorships-on-front-of-shirts
    I'd ban them from advertising at all. Put them in the same category as tobacco companies.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,602
    https://x.com/kateferguson4/status/1926335535955562974?s=19

    Ian Austin talking absolute bollocks laced with things we already know
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,119
    This is what the forces of enlightenment have to deal with now.

    Joe Rogan

    At 1:40 in this clip he says

    "Tetanus is not dangerous"

    Just to clarify

    TETANUS IS F@*KING DANGEROUS

    Yours sincerely

    an Infectious Diseases specialist


    https://x.com/DrNeilStone/status/1925879477080351043
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,615

    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Where are they going to get the money from?
    Some suggestion of an online gambling tax
    Good . The UK is overrun with online gambling which is very corrosive for society . Gambling addiction is a terrible thing and destroys lives . Online betting companies should be banned from sponsoring football teams .
    It will happen from the 26/27 season, something the Tories got right.

    https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12856367/premier-league-clubs-agree-to-withdraw-gambling-sponsorships-on-front-of-shirts
    I'd ban them from advertising at all. Put them in the same category as tobacco companies.
    What about gambling advertising during horse racing? They are trying to ban it in Ireland.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,842
    edited May 24
    Things can only get better.

    Combining the thread with the baby news and the 12-month plot to oust Starmer...

    MISSION IMPOSSIBLE? Tories in secret plot to bring back Boris Johnson as leader as Kemi Badenoch tumbles in the polls
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/35107052/boris-johnson-tory-leader-plot/
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,416

    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Where are they going to get the money from?
    Some suggestion of an online gambling tax
    Good . The UK is overrun with online gambling which is very corrosive for society . Gambling addiction is a terrible thing and destroys lives . Online betting companies should be banned from sponsoring football teams .
    It will happen from the 26/27 season, something the Tories got right.

    https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12856367/premier-league-clubs-agree-to-withdraw-gambling-sponsorships-on-front-of-shirts
    And Sky Bet ?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,848

    This is what the forces of enlightenment have to deal with now.

    Joe Rogan

    At 1:40 in this clip he says

    "Tetanus is not dangerous"

    Just to clarify

    TETANUS IS F@*KING DANGEROUS

    Yours sincerely

    an Infectious Diseases specialist


    https://x.com/DrNeilStone/status/1925879477080351043

    I'm surprised they're not worried about something that causes everything to lockdown.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,566

    rkrkrk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Where are they going to get the money from?
    Some suggestion of an online gambling tax
    Article on this in this week's New Statesman which is guest edited by Gordon Brown.

    Many EU countries tax online betting and gambling more highly than us apparently.


    Edit: Most of this week's issue is about child poverty. Amazing coincidence.
    It seems a no brainer to raise some money from an online gambling tax . I’m surprised this hasn’t been done before .
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,416
    stodge said:

    He's now officially (according to me) the worst PM of my lifetime. By a country mile.
    Worse than Brown, worse than Heath. Worse than Mary Elizabeth Truss by 2 country miles

    Who would you have as Prime Minister?

    Seriously, he's not that bad - for me, Heath was the worst followed by Truss. The best? For me, first term Blair.
    Churchill, Thatcher and Blair for me
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,802

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    nico67 said:
    For Netanyahu, dead doctors are a matter for rejoicing.

    Along with Putin, Kim Jong Un, Xi, he ranks among humanity’s most despicable specimens.
    There was a clip on social media a few weeks ago with a settler couple who, and I paraphrase slightly, said it is okay to kill Gazan babies/children because these kids would one day turn into potential murderers of Jews and Bibi knows that so that's why he's killing them and why it is God's will.
    I saw that reported.

    In terms they should understand, but don’t, when you sow the wind, you reap the whirlwind.
    I have a Jewish heritage historian friend and he observes it has hard to distinguish these days between what some Jews says about the Palestinians and what the Nazis said about the Jews.
    The settlers’ arguments are identical to those made by Himmler, in his Posen speeches.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,119

    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Where are they going to get the money from?
    Some suggestion of an online gambling tax
    Good . The UK is overrun with online gambling which is very corrosive for society . Gambling addiction is a terrible thing and destroys lives . Online betting companies should be banned from sponsoring football teams .
    It will happen from the 26/27 season, something the Tories got right.

    https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12856367/premier-league-clubs-agree-to-withdraw-gambling-sponsorships-on-front-of-shirts
    I'd ban them from advertising at all. Put them in the same category as tobacco companies.
    I agree, a few years ago a friend told me that his football crazy four year old asked him 'do you have to bet to watch football?' because of the gambling adverts on Sky Sports.

    I felt very uncomfortable about Klopp doing ads for Bet Victor during his stint as Liverpool manager.

    (That wasn't Klopp per se, Bet Victor were one of LIverpool's sponsors, so it was contractual, but I still had issues with it.)
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,678

    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Where are they going to get the money from?
    Some suggestion of an online gambling tax
    Good . The UK is overrun with online gambling which is very corrosive for society . Gambling addiction is a terrible thing and destroys lives . Online betting companies should be banned from sponsoring football teams .
    It will happen from the 26/27 season, something the Tories got right.

    https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12856367/premier-league-clubs-agree-to-withdraw-gambling-sponsorships-on-front-of-shirts
    I'd ban them from advertising at all. Put them in the same category as tobacco companies.
    [Taps the sign saying "politicalbetting.com"]
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,842
    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Where are they going to get the money from?
    Some suggestion of an online gambling tax
    Good . The UK is overrun with online gambling which is very corrosive for society . Gambling addiction is a terrible thing and destroys lives . Online betting companies should be banned from sponsoring football teams .
    As opposed to all the good addictions?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,543

    Sean_F said:

    nico67 said:
    For Netanyahu, dead doctors are a matter for rejoicing.

    Along with Putin, Kim Jong Un, Xi, he ranks among humanity’s most despicable specimens.
    He hates Starmer ( and Macron ) so surely for the PB massive he's not all bad.
    I cannot think of any poster that backs Netanyahu on here
    Barty?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,602
    edited May 24
    stodge said:

    He's now officially (according to me) the worst PM of my lifetime. By a country mile.
    Worse than Brown, worse than Heath. Worse than Mary Elizabeth Truss by 2 country miles

    Who would you have as Prime Minister?

    Seriously, he's not that bad - for me, Heath was the worst followed by Truss. The best? For me, first term Blair.
    Of the current Labour party? Probably Hilary Benn
    Of parliament? Noone really appeals, maybe Huddlestone from the Tories, maybe one of the new LD lot (anyone but the Hobby Horse fool), Stephen Flynn seems alright to me but the SNP aren't forming a government
    From outside? Andy Street. Norman Lamb was a seriously good egg actually

    He is that bad though Stodge, he so is
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,566

    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Where are they going to get the money from?
    Some suggestion of an online gambling tax
    Good . The UK is overrun with online gambling which is very corrosive for society . Gambling addiction is a terrible thing and destroys lives . Online betting companies should be banned from sponsoring football teams .
    As opposed to all the good addictions?
    All addictions are bad but the UK has the most gambling of any European country .
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,543

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not this four start hotel shit again. Please.

    We could always talk about AV or cash instead.
    What about Scottish Independence?
    My holiday starts next Friday.

    I have, inter alia, threads about AV, Scottish Independence, Cash, and why patriots want to rejoin the EU whilst traitors want us to keep us outside the EU planned.
    I look forward to reading all of them, because we can be absolutely sure that nothing newsworthy will happen during your holiday.
    Keep 4th and 5th of June clear as I am going to be incommunicado those days.
    Can I ask you to reconsider? Those are the days my house move is meant to be starting.
    I wish I could but it will require my friends to change their wedding date.
    Can't you suggest they just live in sin?
    Hah.

    I have lived in sin with the bride to be.
    Now you've put me in mind of The Graduate

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uckSV6keHOE
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,842
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Where are they going to get the money from?
    Some suggestion of an online gambling tax
    Good . The UK is overrun with online gambling which is very corrosive for society . Gambling addiction is a terrible thing and destroys lives . Online betting companies should be banned from sponsoring football teams .
    As opposed to all the good addictions?
    All addictions are bad but the UK has the most gambling of any European country .
    It's complicated but too busy betting on horses right now!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,416

    https://x.com/kateferguson4/status/1926335535955562974?s=19

    Ian Austin talking absolute bollocks laced with things we already know

    There must be something going on behind the scenes

    Starmer wins a landslide in July 24 and looks in trouble less than a year later

    Who would have predicted that ?

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,543
    viewcode said:

    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Where are they going to get the money from?
    Some suggestion of an online gambling tax
    Good . The UK is overrun with online gambling which is very corrosive for society . Gambling addiction is a terrible thing and destroys lives . Online betting companies should be banned from sponsoring football teams .
    It will happen from the 26/27 season, something the Tories got right.

    https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12856367/premier-league-clubs-agree-to-withdraw-gambling-sponsorships-on-front-of-shirts
    I'd ban them from advertising at all. Put them in the same category as tobacco companies.
    [Taps the sign saying "politicalbetting.com"]
    Last time I checked PB did not appear dependent on online gambling advertising.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,416

    Sean_F said:

    nico67 said:
    For Netanyahu, dead doctors are a matter for rejoicing.

    Along with Putin, Kim Jong Un, Xi, he ranks among humanity’s most despicable specimens.
    He hates Starmer ( and Macron ) so surely for the PB massive he's not all bad.
    I cannot think of any poster that backs Netanyahu on here
    Barty?
    I would be surprised
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,543

    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Where are they going to get the money from?
    Some suggestion of an online gambling tax
    Good . The UK is overrun with online gambling which is very corrosive for society . Gambling addiction is a terrible thing and destroys lives . Online betting companies should be banned from sponsoring football teams .
    It will happen from the 26/27 season, something the Tories got right.

    https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12856367/premier-league-clubs-agree-to-withdraw-gambling-sponsorships-on-front-of-shirts
    I'd ban them from advertising at all. Put them in the same category as tobacco companies.
    I agree, a few years ago a friend told me that his football crazy four year old asked him 'do you have to bet to watch football?' because of the gambling adverts on Sky Sports.

    I felt very uncomfortable about Klopp doing ads for Bet Victor during his stint as Liverpool manager.

    (That wasn't Klopp per se, Bet Victor were one of LIverpool's sponsors, so it was contractual, but I still had issues with it.)
    Interesting, could Klopp have refused? Would LFC have sacked him if he did?
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,689
    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Where are they going to get the money from?
    Some suggestion of an online gambling tax
    Good . The UK is overrun with online gambling which is very corrosive for society . Gambling addiction is a terrible thing and destroys lives . Online betting companies should be banned from sponsoring football teams .
    It seems a good target to me also.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,615

    stodge said:

    He's now officially (according to me) the worst PM of my lifetime. By a country mile.
    Worse than Brown, worse than Heath. Worse than Mary Elizabeth Truss by 2 country miles

    Who would you have as Prime Minister?

    Seriously, he's not that bad - for me, Heath was the worst followed by Truss. The best? For me, first term Blair.
    Of the current Labour party? Probably Hilary Benn
    Of parliament? Noone really appeals, maybe Huddlestone from the Tories, maybe one of the new LD lot (anyone but the Hobby Horse fool), Stephen Flynn seems alright to me but the SNP aren't forming a government
    From outside? Andy Street. Norman Lamb was a seriously good egg actually

    He is that bad though Stodge, he so is
    Imagine after 14 years of Labour Government, the Conservatives had won a landslide last July. They'd have been faced with all the same problems Starmer and Reeves have faced starting with Southport.

    Would a Badenoch-led Government be doing any better at this time?

    No, the party was over last July and it's time to pay the bill and leave.

    Ending Winter Fuel Allowance wasn't a mistake - the way it was done was.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,750
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Where are they going to get the money from?
    Some suggestion of an online gambling tax
    Good . The UK is overrun with online gambling which is very corrosive for society . Gambling addiction is a terrible thing and destroys lives . Online betting companies should be banned from sponsoring football teams .
    As opposed to all the good addictions?
    All addictions are bad but the UK has the most gambling of any European country .
    Having worked in the belly of the beast - an alt-bank specialising in the gambling sector - yeah.

    They like to talk about “whales” - but many of the big spenders are really addicts destroying their lives. And their families.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,140

    rkrkrk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Where are they going to get the money from?
    Some suggestion of an online gambling tax
    Article on this in this week's New Statesman which is guest edited by Gordon Brown.

    Many EU countries tax online betting and gambling more highly than us apparently.


    Edit: Most of this week's issue is about child poverty. Amazing coincidence.
    Apparently? The whole point about betting in this country is that you don't pay income tax on any winnings you make, whereas — for instance — in the US they do. I had a bad feeling it was only a matter of time before they tried to make punters pay more tax.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,869

    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Where are they going to get the money from?
    Some suggestion of an online gambling tax
    Good . The UK is overrun with online gambling which is very corrosive for society . Gambling addiction is a terrible thing and destroys lives . Online betting companies should be banned from sponsoring football teams .
    It will happen from the 26/27 season, something the Tories got right.

    https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12856367/premier-league-clubs-agree-to-withdraw-gambling-sponsorships-on-front-of-shirts
    I'd ban them from advertising at all. Put them in the same category as tobacco companies.
    I agree, a few years ago a friend told me that his football crazy four year old asked him 'do you have to bet to watch football?' because of the gambling adverts on Sky Sports.

    I felt very uncomfortable about Klopp doing ads for Bet Victor during his stint as Liverpool manager.

    (That wasn't Klopp per se, Bet Victor were one of LIverpool's sponsors, so it was contractual, but I still had issues with it.)
    The problem with gambling adverts is they sell a lifestyle not a product. If the adverts were restricted to saying "We are X price Y to happen" I don't see the problem.

    I did write about this while I was still in my thirties....

    https://aboutasfarasdelgados.blogspot.com/2014/08/luis-louis-ladbrokes-life.html

    https://aboutasfarasdelgados.blogspot.com/2014/08/you-dont-have-to-be-hypocritical-coward.html

    and warned of the dangers of FOBTs, trying to get UKIP to go for the jugular on bookie shadiness

    https://aboutasfarasdelgados.blogspot.com/2024/12/policy-on-fobts.html
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,602

    https://x.com/kateferguson4/status/1926335535955562974?s=19

    Ian Austin talking absolute bollocks laced with things we already know

    There must be something going on behind the scenes

    Starmer wins a landslide in July 24 and looks in trouble less than a year later

    Who would have predicted that ?

    I mean it's not even a secret Big G, she's launched. The interventions that keep popping up from grandees, the Welsh leader, etc etc. It's happening. It's just not acknowledged.
    Both the Starmer govt and the tories are in a blind panic.
    It's all starting to fall apart, everywhere
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,119

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Not this four start hotel shit again. Please.

    We could always talk about AV or cash instead.
    What about Scottish Independence?
    My holiday starts next Friday.

    I have, inter alia, threads about AV, Scottish Independence, Cash, and why patriots want to rejoin the EU whilst traitors want us to keep us outside the EU planned.
    I look forward to reading all of them, because we can be absolutely sure that nothing newsworthy will happen during your holiday.
    Keep 4th and 5th of June clear as I am going to be incommunicado those days.
    Can I ask you to reconsider? Those are the days my house move is meant to be starting.
    I wish I could but it will require my friends to change their wedding date.
    Can't you suggest they just live in sin?
    Hah.

    I have lived in sin with the bride to be.
    Now you've put me in mind of The Graduate

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uckSV6keHOE
    That's so not happening.

    I am under pain of death if I make any taking up the aisle gags at this wedding.

    Fortunately I am well known for not making any innuendoes.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,416
    edited May 24

    https://x.com/kateferguson4/status/1926335535955562974?s=19

    Ian Austin talking absolute bollocks laced with things we already know

    There must be something going on behind the scenes

    Starmer wins a landslide in July 24 and looks in trouble less than a year later

    Who would have predicted that ?

    I mean it's not even a secret Big G, she's launched. The interventions that keep popping up from grandees, the Welsh leader, etc etc. It's happening. It's just not acknowledged.
    Both the Starmer govt and the tories are in a blind panic.
    It's all starting to fall apart, everywhere
    Looks like it but Rayner is not the answer
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,543
    stodge said:

    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Where are they going to get the money from?
    Some suggestion of an online gambling tax
    Good . The UK is overrun with online gambling which is very corrosive for society . Gambling addiction is a terrible thing and destroys lives . Online betting companies should be banned from sponsoring football teams .
    It will happen from the 26/27 season, something the Tories got right.

    https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12856367/premier-league-clubs-agree-to-withdraw-gambling-sponsorships-on-front-of-shirts
    I'd ban them from advertising at all. Put them in the same category as tobacco companies.
    What about gambling advertising during horse racing? They are trying to ban it in Ireland.
    Yep. People want to bet, that's fine. But the advertising is insidious - see TSE 07:50
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,842

    https://x.com/kateferguson4/status/1926335535955562974?s=19

    Ian Austin talking absolute bollocks laced with things we already know

    There must be something going on behind the scenes

    Starmer wins a landslide in July 24 and looks in trouble less than a year later

    Who would have predicted that ?

    I mean it's not even a secret Big G, she's launched. The interventions that keep popping up from grandees, the Welsh leader, etc etc. It's happening. It's just not acknowledged.
    Both the Starmer govt and the tories are in a blind panic.
    It's all starting to fall apart, everywhere
    Has she though? Has it been confirmed the Rayner leak came from Ange herself and not a rival camp?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,140
    isam said:

    nico67 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Observer reporting Labour will scrap the two child benefit cap. Starmer and Lammy also recently criticising Israel on Gaza. It feels like maybe they're having a reset? Oh and WFA changes also...

    Where are they going to get the money from?
    Some suggestion of an online gambling tax
    Good . The UK is overrun with online gambling which is very corrosive for society . Gambling addiction is a terrible thing and destroys lives . Online betting companies should be banned from sponsoring football teams .
    It will happen from the 26/27 season, something the Tories got right.

    https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12856367/premier-league-clubs-agree-to-withdraw-gambling-sponsorships-on-front-of-shirts
    I'd ban them from advertising at all. Put them in the same category as tobacco companies.
    I agree, a few years ago a friend told me that his football crazy four year old asked him 'do you have to bet to watch football?' because of the gambling adverts on Sky Sports.

    I felt very uncomfortable about Klopp doing ads for Bet Victor during his stint as Liverpool manager.

    (That wasn't Klopp per se, Bet Victor were one of LIverpool's sponsors, so it was contractual, but I still had issues with it.)
    The problem with gambling adverts is they sell a lifestyle not a product. If the adverts were restricted to saying "We are X price Y to happen" I don't see the problem.

    I did write about this while I was still in my thirties....

    https://aboutasfarasdelgados.blogspot.com/2014/08/luis-louis-ladbrokes-life.html

    https://aboutasfarasdelgados.blogspot.com/2014/08/you-dont-have-to-be-hypocritical-coward.html

    and warned of the dangers of FOBTs, trying to get UKIP to go for the jugular on bookie shadiness

    https://aboutasfarasdelgados.blogspot.com/2024/12/policy-on-fobts.html
    I always think it's a bit sad when an interesting blogsite suddenly ends with almost no warning, usually sometime around 2010 or 2015. Often it was because the writer was moving over to Twitter.
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