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  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,599

    Dopermean said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    £30bn over 99 years vs £30(?)bn over 2 years on dodgy COVID contracts...
    How about £22.4 billion over 10 years on carbon capture and storage?
    There are so many things that anyone with political integrity could be criticising this government for right now (also true of the last few governments).

    To focus quite astounding quantities of bile on a set of small islands a long way away seems politically rather immature.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,339

    The sun has literally set for the first time in over 300 years over the British Empire - what a disgrace Starmer and Lammy are

    Your name is "state_go_away": shouldn't you be celebrating? This is a state going away.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,302
    edited May 22

    The sun has literally set for the first time in over 300 years over the British Empire - what a disgrace Starmer and Lammy are

    Colonel Blimp speaks...
    The British Overseas Territories and the fact about the sun never setting even in modern times was part of the Foreign Office induction when I worked there for a while not so long ago. What a turnaround from being proud of it to giving it away in this gruby deal
    Since 1980 the 'settings' have been
    1980 - Vanuatu, Rhodesia/Zimbabwe (formally recognised post UDI)
    1981 - Antigua and Barbuda, Belize
    1983 - St Kitts and Nevis
    1984 - Brunei (marked the end of the post war mass independences)
    1997 - Hong Kong and the New Territories
    2025 - British Indian Ocean Territory
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,568
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    The view from Shap. Pretty. Also chilly



    I think an early morning walk in the Lakes is necessary

    How long have you got?
    Shap is the very edge of the Lakes and can feel a little bleak. My recommendation for a quick taste of the lakes without delaying you too much on your journey would be to head up the M66 to the A66 junction (J40?), then head west and immediately south down Ullswater and head for the car park for Aira Force - there is a nice little walk up to the Lakes's loveliest waterfall with splendid views down over Ullswater. You may see some red squirrels. You will get the benefit of some beauty, some fresh air and exercise, but can be back on your way fairly quickly.
    Ullswater is the best of the Lakes; less touristed than Windermere.
    The Aira Force walk is pleasant, though a bit tame.

    Penrith has the remains of Richard III's castle. Sad red sandstone.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,171

    viewcode said:

    The inevitable meme...

    https://xcancel.com/kunley_drukpa/status/1925586099704852501#m

    Thing is its not exaggerated for effect . The world must think we are mugs
    You could do a aimilar one for the EU 'deal'.

    Has anyone seen Race Across the World this series? There was a lovely scene in which Brian negotiated with the vendor of some bus tickets - face value 700 rupees each - that he could have two for 1500 rupees, to the bafflement of the vendor and the amusememt of his brother. That reminded me of SKS's dealmaking.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,653

    Cleverly is making himself very visible at the moment.
    Red Queen uprising and a Cleverly coup in tandem??

    Has the Red Queen been leaking this week because the King of the North has been very visible of late? He made his first serious foray to Westminister the other day.
    I think Gingers movements can be tied to the sheer weight of ummmmm 'stories' about SKS doing the rounds. She's figured something has to give and forcing that around the disability vote is the time to do it (imho)
    Until someone confirms that she is getting telephone lines installed it is mere speculation.
    That's why I said imho, I'm speculating
    No one gets telephone lines installed for a campaign anymore surely?

    The Mogg maybe, for rotary dial telephones.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,854

    The sun has literally set for the first time in over 300 years over the British Empire - what a disgrace Starmer and Lammy are

    Your name is "state_go_away": shouldn't you be celebrating? This is a state going away.
    and the taxpayers paying for it for a 100 years
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,900
    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Are you not being a bit hyperbolic yourself? Do these people really believe that? Or are they saying it for effect (a la Leon)?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,644
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RIP British Indian Ocean Territory

    (count the months before it effectively becomes Chinese Indian Ocean Territory)

    “Base is a 'unique asset' for Britain, senior officer says
    We're now hearing from senior British Army officer Gen James Hockenhull.
    He says that the base's location provides "immense global reach", making it a "unique asset" for British security.
    "I welcome the long-term certainty that this treaty brings. It will help the British Armed Forces in our efforts to support stability abroad and security at home," Hockenhull says.

    What’s the actual detail on that which would require actual ongoing UK ownership, and not that ownership passed on to India and USA, who sat at the table with us negotiating this?

    Is the bottom line of UK continuing Garcia on a lease, and not someone else holding same lease, continued UK interoperability with US weapons and nuclear weapons?
    Remind me how the last 99-year lease ended for HMG.
    Remind me what Mauritius’ force projection capabilities are

    Then we would clearly be breaking international law as we signed a treaty ceding the islands.
    Then why didn't we just, you know, cede it? What was the sense in saying "well we'll give it to you for nothing, but we still want some bits, so here's some cash"? It would have cost us nothing to just leave.

    We have no real capability to wage a war in the Indo-Pacific any more and even the Americans have told us to stop effing around and concentrate on the EuroAtlantic. We have a real security threat to Eastern Europe which we are ignoring in favour of some kind of fantasy of force projection in the Indian Ocean. We need to plan realistically, not....ooourgh, I'm ranting. Apologies, but I hope my point is clear.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,609
    algarkirk said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    Including the great British electorate, who now rate him as one of the worst ever British prime ministers, after a year in office

    There’s yer problem. If it was just the PB Reformists having a go, you could shrug it off. But this is what most people think, Starmer is a dud, and increasingly a very dislikeable and possibly dodgy dud
    He was so incredibly lucky to win the majority he did with the votes he got. Against a completely discredited, tired govt he got fewer votes than Corbyn’s bad election, It should have cemented the idea that he was a bit of an unlikeable dork, but parliamentary arithmetic led people to think he was some kind of tactical genius
    34% against the D Day ducker and that lot was a major alarm bell
    The 2024 GE indicated that to assess real Labour support you take the lowest polling number and knock 3 or 4 points off.

    If this holds good, then real Labour GE support is below 20%. The lower end of current polling is about 21/22%.

    There is no doubt that Tory support is sub-20%. In the 2024 GE the LDs polled a point or two over their polling support.

    It's not impossible that the real GE traditional party support at this moment is something like
    Labour 19%
    Tory 18%
    LD 16%.

    With the Lab and Tory lines moving sharply down, and the LD line creeping slowly up.

    The next 12-18 months are going to be psephologically interesting.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election
    3 or 4 points?

    Final polls by Verian and People Polling had Labour on 36% GB, not sure the rounding up or down on the data tables.

    Labour achieved 34.7% GB at the GE, round as a poll would to 35%.

    So the lowest polls were 1 point out.

    Don't misremember to suit.
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,320
    isam said:

    Has my Mum got a case against Windsor & Maidenhead Borough? She tripped on a broken pavement in Marlow on Tuesday, broke her hip and has had to have it replaced today.

    No as Marlow is in Buckinghamshire!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,469
    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    My crop for 2025 looks likely to be wiped out tonight.

    Good growth and low humidity throughout May, perfect conditions for vine growth, although with a number of cold nights that have been close shaves. Then tonight, in late May, a final late frost of the season looks nailed on. Low humidity, clear skies, cool airmass and zero wind. Perfect for radiation frost.

    Down to 5.1C already at the vineyard. Likely -2C by end of night. Game over. Probably 80%+ damage.

    sorry to read this. dont the french light fires between the vines if this is about to happen?
    Light fires / candles, fire up fans, spray with water, all sorts. It doesn’t make financial sense for me to do that unfortunately. The outlay is huge. Though this year given there have only been 2 frost events it might in hindsight have paid off to use frost candles.

    EDIT: 3.7C now.
    3.3C
    Sorry, is this in Kent?
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 919

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Are you not being a bit hyperbolic yourself? Do these people really believe that? Or are they saying it for effect (a la Leon)?
    No I don't think they are. If you're utterly convinced that the Prime Minister is a traitor then it's not a hyperbolic position. Also not wishing to be patronising but Leon reads widely whereas a lot of people only get their news from right wing social media outlets so don't have an alternative viewpoint to adopt.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,171
    Nigelb said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    The view from Shap. Pretty. Also chilly



    I think an early morning walk in the Lakes is necessary

    How long have you got?
    Shap is the very edge of the Lakes and can feel a little bleak. My recommendation for a quick taste of the lakes without delaying you too much on your journey would be to head up the M66 to the A66 junction (J40?), then head west and immediately south down Ullswater and head for the car park for Aira Force - there is a nice little walk up to the Lakes's loveliest waterfall with splendid views down over Ullswater. You may see some red squirrels. You will get the benefit of some beauty, some fresh air and exercise, but can be back on your way fairly quickly.
    Ullswater is the best of the Lakes; less touristed than Windermere.
    The Aira Force walk is pleasant, though a bit tame.

    Penrith has the remains of Richard III's castle. Sad red sandstone.
    Tame, certainly, but the chap has to pick his daughter up - probably he hasn't got time for Helvellyn.

    Penrith and Carlisle are peculiar little towns. In the Northwest but not of the Northwest. Coming down the M6 from Scotland, I don't really feel I'm home until I get south of Shap (though I feel perfectly at home in the North Lakes themselves - probably a result of childhood holidays).
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,653

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Are you not being a bit hyperbolic yourself? Do these people really believe that? Or are they saying it for effect (a la Leon)?
    ‘My name is death to traitors, freedom for Britain.’
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,339

    The sun has literally set for the first time in over 300 years over the British Empire - what a disgrace Starmer and Lammy are

    Your name is "state_go_away": shouldn't you be celebrating? This is a state going away.
    and the taxpayers paying for it for a 100 years
    Your name isn't state_go_away_as_long_as_nobody_has_to_pay_anything
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,575
    Yet all this stems from the UK refusal to adhere to a UN/ICJ ruling on the sovereignty of Chagos.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55848126

    We know the previous Conservative administration were talking about this but the deal has been done on Starmer's watch. The losers are the Chagossians who were forcibly removed from their homeland.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 919
    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Are you not being a bit hyperbolic yourself? Do these people really believe that? Or are they saying it for effect (a la Leon)?
    No I don't think they are. If you're utterly convinced that the Prime Minister is a traitor then it's not a hyperbolic position. Also not wishing to be patronising but Leon reads widely whereas a lot of people only get their news from right wing social media outlets so don't have an alternative viewpoint to adopt.
    And I should add that they also call me a traitor, a leach etc. Someone who is saying something for effect wouldn't be that rude to a functionary.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,775
    edited May 22
    Pro_Rata said:

    algarkirk said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    Including the great British electorate, who now rate him as one of the worst ever British prime ministers, after a year in office

    There’s yer problem. If it was just the PB Reformists having a go, you could shrug it off. But this is what most people think, Starmer is a dud, and increasingly a very dislikeable and possibly dodgy dud
    He was so incredibly lucky to win the majority he did with the votes he got. Against a completely discredited, tired govt he got fewer votes than Corbyn’s bad election, It should have cemented the idea that he was a bit of an unlikeable dork, but parliamentary arithmetic led people to think he was some kind of tactical genius
    34% against the D Day ducker and that lot was a major alarm bell
    The 2024 GE indicated that to assess real Labour support you take the lowest polling number and knock 3 or 4 points off.

    If this holds good, then real Labour GE support is below 20%. The lower end of current polling is about 21/22%.

    There is no doubt that Tory support is sub-20%. In the 2024 GE the LDs polled a point or two over their polling support.

    It's not impossible that the real GE traditional party support at this moment is something like
    Labour 19%
    Tory 18%
    LD 16%.

    With the Lab and Tory lines moving sharply down, and the LD line creeping slowly up.

    The next 12-18 months are going to be psephologically interesting.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election
    3 or 4 points?

    Final polls by Verian and People Polling had Labour on 36% GB, not sure the rounding up or down on the data tables.

    Labour achieved 34.7% GB at the GE, round as a poll would to 35%.

    So the lowest polls were 1 point out.

    Don't misremember to suit.
    There’s not much time to bet on the GE off the final polls though is there? So to form a view over the course of a parliament, 3-4 points would be acceptable. I suppose those 3-4 point would be from a result in the 40s so at the Monday it’s more like an overstatement of 1-2 points, if the overstatement rule still holds in the low 20s
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,302
    I wonder if Britain had accepted the Malta referendum of 1956 and incorporated it into the UK if we'd have pursued the incorporation/French empire model with any other colonies making them part of the kingdom??
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,171

    The sun has literally set for the first time in over 300 years over the British Empire - what a disgrace Starmer and Lammy are

    Colonel Blimp speaks...
    The British Overseas Territories and the fact about the sun never setting even in modern times was part of the Foreign Office induction when I worked there for a while not so long ago. What a turnaround from being proud of it to giving it away in this gruby deal
    I wonder if in fact that was why they were so keen to get rid of it.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,900
    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Are you not being a bit hyperbolic yourself? Do these people really believe that? Or are they saying it for effect (a la Leon)?
    No I don't think they are. If you're utterly convinced that the Prime Minister is a traitor then it's not a hyperbolic position. Also not wishing to be patronising but Leon reads widely whereas a lot of people only get their news from right wing social media outlets so don't have an alternative viewpoint to adopt.
    I’d disagree to an extent. I think Leon shows all the signs of reading a lot but not widely.
    Your wider point is something we all need to bear in mind. Brexit was and is horribly divisive. Covid too. Yet in reality most people in real life are nice, kind decent folk. It’s not unlike the way people will shout and scream and gesticulate in a car, but not in the queue at Tescos. Online allows people to be extreme.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,775

    isam said:

    Has my Mum got a case against Windsor & Maidenhead Borough? She tripped on a broken pavement in Marlow on Tuesday, broke her hip and has had to have it replaced today.

    No as Marlow is in Buckinghamshire!
    True dat!
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,339

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Are you not being a bit hyperbolic yourself? Do these people really believe that? Or are they saying it for effect (a la Leon)?
    Some say it for effect; some mean it. Those who mean it are encouraged by those saying it for effect. We've seen where this ends, with the Jan 6 storming of the US Capitol, with riots here after the Southport murders.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,135
    stodge said:

    Yet all this stems from the UK refusal to adhere to a UN/ICJ ruling on the sovereignty of Chagos.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55848126

    We know the previous Conservative administration were talking about this but the deal has been done on Starmer's watch. The losers are the Chagossians who were forcibly removed from their homeland.

    We should have told them to fuck off.

    The UN/ICJ are as bent as fuck and corrupted by Chinese money.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,339
    viewcode said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RIP British Indian Ocean Territory

    (count the months before it effectively becomes Chinese Indian Ocean Territory)

    “Base is a 'unique asset' for Britain, senior officer says
    We're now hearing from senior British Army officer Gen James Hockenhull.
    He says that the base's location provides "immense global reach", making it a "unique asset" for British security.
    "I welcome the long-term certainty that this treaty brings. It will help the British Armed Forces in our efforts to support stability abroad and security at home," Hockenhull says.

    What’s the actual detail on that which would require actual ongoing UK ownership, and not that ownership passed on to India and USA, who sat at the table with us negotiating this?

    Is the bottom line of UK continuing Garcia on a lease, and not someone else holding same lease, continued UK interoperability with US weapons and nuclear weapons?
    Remind me how the last 99-year lease ended for HMG.
    Remind me what Mauritius’ force projection capabilities are

    Then we would clearly be breaking international law as we signed a treaty ceding the islands.
    Then why didn't we just, you know, cede it? What was the sense in saying "well we'll give it to you for nothing, but we still want some bits, so here's some cash"? It would have cost us nothing to just leave.

    We have no real capability to wage a war in the Indo-Pacific any more and even the Americans have told us to stop effing around and concentrate on the EuroAtlantic. We have a real security threat to Eastern Europe which we are ignoring in favour of some kind of fantasy of force projection in the Indian Ocean. We need to plan realistically, not....ooourgh, I'm ranting. Apologies, but I hope my point is clear.
    The US really wants it and, for now, the US remains an important military ally for us.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,135

    The sun has literally set for the first time in over 300 years over the British Empire - what a disgrace Starmer and Lammy are

    Sir Sheer Traitor
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,503
    His brains are leaking out of his ears, on live TV

    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump: "The drug companies are very worried that they're gonna fight. And that's ok. If they fight, we'll just say, 'We're just not gonna let you sell any more cars into the US or wine or liquor or alcohol' or something that's actually way more important to them than the drugs."

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lpry6a3azf2i
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,135
    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Agreed.

    But he is a traitor.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,339

    stodge said:

    Yet all this stems from the UK refusal to adhere to a UN/ICJ ruling on the sovereignty of Chagos.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55848126

    We know the previous Conservative administration were talking about this but the deal has been done on Starmer's watch. The losers are the Chagossians who were forcibly removed from their homeland.

    We should have told them to fuck off.

    The UN/ICJ are as bent as fuck and corrupted by Chinese money.
    What was bent or corrupt about the ICJ's ruling on the Land Boundary in the Northern Part of Isla Portillos? Or on the Dispute over the Status and Use of the Waters of the Silala? Or on the Maritime Delimitation in the Indian Ocean between Somalia and Kenya? Or on the Obligation to Negotiate Access to the Pacific Ocean case between Bolivia and Chile? Or on the Construction of a Road in Costa Rica along the San Juan River case? You're reacting to some made-up idea of the ICJ. The ICJ has been an effective body at resolving international disputes for decades.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 919

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Are you not being a bit hyperbolic yourself? Do these people really believe that? Or are they saying it for effect (a la Leon)?
    Some say it for effect; some mean it. Those who mean it are encouraged by those saying it for effect. We've seen where this ends, with the Jan 6 storming of the US Capitol, with riots here after the Southport murders.
    Absolutely! You put it far more clearly than I managed
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,135
    SIR SHEER WANKER
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,135
    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Agreed.

    But he is a traitor.
    I'll say to you what I'm not allowed to say during work (and apologies if I'm overreacting) but of course he fucking isn't. He has a different idea of what is in the international interest to you and he has the constitutional authority to do what he is doing. You can call him stupid, deluded, misguided or a fucking idiot but he's obviously not a traitor.
    I don't give a shit about the international interest.

    I care about the national interest like, you know, he's elected to represent.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,095
    edited May 22
    Wishing ill upon the democratically elected government of the UK is itself a form of treachery.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,069

    SIR SHEER WANKER

    Calm down dear, you're turning into Leon.

    Spoiler: That's not a good look.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,135

    stodge said:

    Yet all this stems from the UK refusal to adhere to a UN/ICJ ruling on the sovereignty of Chagos.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55848126

    We know the previous Conservative administration were talking about this but the deal has been done on Starmer's watch. The losers are the Chagossians who were forcibly removed from their homeland.

    We should have told them to fuck off.

    The UN/ICJ are as bent as fuck and corrupted by Chinese money.
    What was bent or corrupt about the ICJ's ruling on the Land Boundary in the Northern Part of Isla Portillos? Or on the Dispute over the Status and Use of the Waters of the Silala? Or on the Maritime Delimitation in the Indian Ocean between Somalia and Kenya? Or on the Obligation to Negotiate Access to the Pacific Ocean case between Bolivia and Chile? Or on the Construction of a Road in Costa Rica along the San Juan River case? You're reacting to some made-up idea of the ICJ. The ICJ has been an effective body at resolving international disputes for decades.
    You're a sad, pedantic, naive and foolish pillock.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,568
    Cookie said:

    Nigelb said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    The view from Shap. Pretty. Also chilly



    I think an early morning walk in the Lakes is necessary

    How long have you got?
    Shap is the very edge of the Lakes and can feel a little bleak. My recommendation for a quick taste of the lakes without delaying you too much on your journey would be to head up the M66 to the A66 junction (J40?), then head west and immediately south down Ullswater and head for the car park for Aira Force - there is a nice little walk up to the Lakes's loveliest waterfall with splendid views down over Ullswater. You may see some red squirrels. You will get the benefit of some beauty, some fresh air and exercise, but can be back on your way fairly quickly.
    Ullswater is the best of the Lakes; less touristed than Windermere.
    The Aira Force walk is pleasant, though a bit tame.

    Penrith has the remains of Richard III's castle. Sad red sandstone.
    Tame, certainly, but the chap has to pick his daughter up - probably he hasn't got time for Helvellyn.

    Penrith and Carlisle are peculiar little towns. In the Northwest but not of the Northwest. Coming down the M6 from Scotland, I don't really feel I'm home until I get south of Shap (though I feel perfectly at home in the North Lakes themselves - probably a result of childhood holidays).
    The Lowther estate is well worth a visit.

    Leon would greatly appreciate the Yellow Earl.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Lowther,_5th_Earl_of_Lonsdale
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,568

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Agreed.

    But he is a traitor.
    Bit harsh on Leon.
    I won't go quite that far.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,302
    dixiedean said:

    Wishing ill upon the democratically elected government of the UK is itself a form of treachery.

    Not under the law it's not :smiley:
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,339

    stodge said:

    Yet all this stems from the UK refusal to adhere to a UN/ICJ ruling on the sovereignty of Chagos.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55848126

    We know the previous Conservative administration were talking about this but the deal has been done on Starmer's watch. The losers are the Chagossians who were forcibly removed from their homeland.

    We should have told them to fuck off.

    The UN/ICJ are as bent as fuck and corrupted by Chinese money.
    What was bent or corrupt about the ICJ's ruling on the Land Boundary in the Northern Part of Isla Portillos? Or on the Dispute over the Status and Use of the Waters of the Silala? Or on the Maritime Delimitation in the Indian Ocean between Somalia and Kenya? Or on the Obligation to Negotiate Access to the Pacific Ocean case between Bolivia and Chile? Or on the Construction of a Road in Costa Rica along the San Juan River case? You're reacting to some made-up idea of the ICJ. The ICJ has been an effective body at resolving international disputes for decades.
    You're a sad, pedantic, naive and foolish pillock.
    Trying to engage you in serious political discussion does mark me out as sad, naive and foolish. Pedantry is a basic requirement for PB participation. So, sure.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,069
    dixiedean said:

    Wishing ill upon the democratically elected government of the UK is itself a form of treachery.

    Indeed.

    It's quite sad, if PB is going to be spammed like this, I might just walk away.

    It's utterly tedious having to wade through some bullshit from the people who thought Liz Truss would be/is awesome or thought Sunak leaving the D-Day events wouldn't be a big story.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 919

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Agreed.

    But he is a traitor.
    I'll say to you what I'm not allowed to say during work (and apologies if I'm overreacting) but of course he fucking isn't. He has a different idea of what is in the international interest to you and he has the constitutional authority to do what he is doing. You can call him stupid, deluded, misguided or a fucking idiot but he's obviously not a traitor.
    I don't give a shit about the international interest.

    I care about the national interest like, you know, he's elected to represent.
    Apologies I meant the national interest. You must accept that other people have a different conception of the national interest to you? As I said you'd be perfectly entitled to think they were misguided, naive or stupid but how can you think it's treachery?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,321

    viewcode said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RIP British Indian Ocean Territory

    (count the months before it effectively becomes Chinese Indian Ocean Territory)

    “Base is a 'unique asset' for Britain, senior officer says
    We're now hearing from senior British Army officer Gen James Hockenhull.
    He says that the base's location provides "immense global reach", making it a "unique asset" for British security.
    "I welcome the long-term certainty that this treaty brings. It will help the British Armed Forces in our efforts to support stability abroad and security at home," Hockenhull says.

    What’s the actual detail on that which would require actual ongoing UK ownership, and not that ownership passed on to India and USA, who sat at the table with us negotiating this?

    Is the bottom line of UK continuing Garcia on a lease, and not someone else holding same lease, continued UK interoperability with US weapons and nuclear weapons?
    Remind me how the last 99-year lease ended for HMG.
    Remind me what Mauritius’ force projection capabilities are

    Then we would clearly be breaking international law as we signed a treaty ceding the islands.
    Then why didn't we just, you know, cede it? What was the sense in saying "well we'll give it to you for nothing, but we still want some bits, so here's some cash"? It would have cost us nothing to just leave.

    We have no real capability to wage a war in the Indo-Pacific any more and even the Americans have told us to stop effing around and concentrate on the EuroAtlantic. We have a real security threat to Eastern Europe which we are ignoring in favour of some kind of fantasy of force projection in the Indian Ocean. We need to plan realistically, not....ooourgh, I'm ranting. Apologies, but I hope my point is clear.
    The US really wants it and, for now, the US remains an important military ally for us.
    Were they not capable of leasing it from Mauritius directly?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,568

    I wonder if Britain had accepted the Malta referendum of 1956 and incorporated it into the UK if we'd have pursued the incorporation/French empire model with any other colonies making them part of the kingdom??

    That makes for an intriguing alt history.
    We just weren't that smart.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,135
    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Agreed.

    But he is a traitor.
    I'll say to you what I'm not allowed to say during work (and apologies if I'm overreacting) but of course he fucking isn't. He has a different idea of what is in the international interest to you and he has the constitutional authority to do what he is doing. You can call him stupid, deluded, misguided or a fucking idiot but he's obviously not a traitor.
    I don't give a shit about the international interest.

    I care about the national interest like, you know, he's elected to represent.
    But how can you think it's treachery?
    Because he's sold out British sovereignty and territory to a foreign power in hock to China at significant cost to the public purse.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,290
    edited May 22
    isam said:

    Has my Mum got a case against Windsor & Maidenhead Borough? She tripped on a broken pavement in Marlow on Tuesday, broke her hip and has had to have it replaced today.

    You may have a claim. It's about showing the Council violated their Duty of Care by negligence. This happens a lot, so there may even be 'normal' payments. I'm not sure if it is Council budget, or insurance, funded.

    What you need now is contemporaneous photos of the location (before it gets repaired or shifts, for example, or they can argue "too long ago - it may have change"), to show that it was badly maintained, and notes. And a prompt report of the issue to the Council.

    It can be valuable to browse Streetview, including the previous dates 2 or 5 years old. Bing call that Streetside iirc.

    They may try and ignore you, then make an offer in response to a Letter Before Action - that is what often happens (for example) when disabled people complain about being blocked by a barrier; it suddenly get serious when an LBA is received. Sometimes the person does not want to complain and cause any trouble.

    AIUI the strongest reason for turning away claims is "it had not been reported". The slam dunk is if there is a previous report about that particular hazard that you can get (FOI?), and you prove it has not been repaired in a reasonable time period.

    I've never done one, so I'm not sure about things like whether to do it yourself, or get a local lawyer, or a no-win-no-fee.

    Check who is responsible for it - Highways covers pavements and that is usually County or a Unitary. But some may be District (eg in a Park). I'm not sure what happens if it is eg in a shopping centre car park.

    HTH a bit. And best wishes to your mum.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,429

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    My crop for 2025 looks likely to be wiped out tonight.

    Good growth and low humidity throughout May, perfect conditions for vine growth, although with a number of cold nights that have been close shaves. Then tonight, in late May, a final late frost of the season looks nailed on. Low humidity, clear skies, cool airmass and zero wind. Perfect for radiation frost.

    Down to 5.1C already at the vineyard. Likely -2C by end of night. Game over. Probably 80%+ damage.

    sorry to read this. dont the french light fires between the vines if this is about to happen?
    Light fires / candles, fire up fans, spray with water, all sorts. It doesn’t make financial sense for me to do that unfortunately. The outlay is huge. Though this year given there have only been 2 frost events it might in hindsight have paid off to use frost candles.

    EDIT: 3.7C now.
    3.3C
    Sorry, is this in Kent?
    Yes, the downs South of Canterbury. Unfortunately quite a frost prone site.

    Now 2.7C.

    Meanwhile bloody Railway Hill vineyard, owned by Simpsons and just over the hill at the same altitude, is a balmy 7C.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,069

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Agreed.

    But he is a traitor.
    I'll say to you what I'm not allowed to say during work (and apologies if I'm overreacting) but of course he fucking isn't. He has a different idea of what is in the international interest to you and he has the constitutional authority to do what he is doing. You can call him stupid, deluded, misguided or a fucking idiot but he's obviously not a traitor.
    I don't give a shit about the international interest.

    I care about the national interest like, you know, he's elected to represent.
    But how can you think it's treachery?
    Because he's sold out British sovereignty and territory to a foreign power in hock to China at significant cost to the public purse.
    Did you feel the same when the Tories sold out Northern Ireland and had to pay for the privilege?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,568

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Agreed.

    But he is a traitor.
    I'll say to you what I'm not allowed to say during work (and apologies if I'm overreacting) but of course he fucking isn't. He has a different idea of what is in the international interest to you and he has the constitutional authority to do what he is doing. You can call him stupid, deluded, misguided or a fucking idiot but he's obviously not a traitor.
    I don't give a shit about the international interest.

    I care about the national interest like, you know, he's elected to represent.
    But how can you think it's treachery?
    Because he's sold out British sovereignty and territory to a foreign power in hock to China at significant cost to the public purse.
    Did you feel the same when the Tories sold out Northern Ireland and had to pay for the privilege?
    Introspection is not their strong suit.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,186

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Agreed.

    But he is a traitor.
    I'll say to you what I'm not allowed to say during work (and apologies if I'm overreacting) but of course he fucking isn't. He has a different idea of what is in the international interest to you and he has the constitutional authority to do what he is doing. You can call him stupid, deluded, misguided or a fucking idiot but he's obviously not a traitor.
    I don't give a shit about the international interest.

    I care about the national interest like, you know, he's elected to represent.
    But how can you think it's treachery?
    Because he's sold out British sovereignty and territory to a foreign power in hock to China at significant cost to the public purse.
    Did you feel the same when the Tories sold out Northern Ireland and had to pay for the privilege?
    Northern Ireland is still UK territory.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,095
    Anyways.
    I'm off to Ulverston tomorrow.
    Which, like Shap, isn't in the Lake District.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,568

    stodge said:

    Yet all this stems from the UK refusal to adhere to a UN/ICJ ruling on the sovereignty of Chagos.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55848126

    We know the previous Conservative administration were talking about this but the deal has been done on Starmer's watch. The losers are the Chagossians who were forcibly removed from their homeland.

    We should have told them to fuck off.

    The UN/ICJ are as bent as fuck and corrupted by Chinese money.
    What was bent or corrupt about the ICJ's ruling on the Land Boundary in the Northern Part of Isla Portillos? Or on the Dispute over the Status and Use of the Waters of the Silala? Or on the Maritime Delimitation in the Indian Ocean between Somalia and Kenya? Or on the Obligation to Negotiate Access to the Pacific Ocean case between Bolivia and Chile? Or on the Construction of a Road in Costa Rica along the San Juan River case? You're reacting to some made-up idea of the ICJ. The ICJ has been an effective body at resolving international disputes for decades.
    You're a sad, pedantic, naive and foolish pillock.
    You are, I hope, drunk.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,339
    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Agreed.

    But he is a traitor.
    I'll say to you what I'm not allowed to say during work (and apologies if I'm overreacting) but of course he fucking isn't. He has a different idea of what is in the international interest to you and he has the constitutional authority to do what he is doing. You can call him stupid, deluded, misguided or a fucking idiot but he's obviously not a traitor.
    I don't give a shit about the international interest.

    I care about the national interest like, you know, he's elected to represent.
    Apologies I meant the national interest. You must accept that other people have a different conception of the national interest to you? As I said you'd be perfectly entitled to think they were misguided, naive or stupid but how can you think it's treachery?
    I quickly checked the Treason Act 1351 and nothing discussed here, not anything Starmer has done, not anything people have said about Starmer, remotely constitutes treason. It's available here (as subsequently amended): https://www.legislation.gov.uk/aep/Edw3Stat5/25/2 (The original text, in Norman French, is also available.)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,069

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Agreed.

    But he is a traitor.
    I'll say to you what I'm not allowed to say during work (and apologies if I'm overreacting) but of course he fucking isn't. He has a different idea of what is in the international interest to you and he has the constitutional authority to do what he is doing. You can call him stupid, deluded, misguided or a fucking idiot but he's obviously not a traitor.
    I don't give a shit about the international interest.

    I care about the national interest like, you know, he's elected to represent.
    But how can you think it's treachery?
    Because he's sold out British sovereignty and territory to a foreign power in hock to China at significant cost to the public purse.
    Did you feel the same when the Tories sold out Northern Ireland and had to pay for the privilege?
    Northern Ireland is still UK territory.
    But was subject to the laws and jurisdiction of a foreign power which wasn't applicable to another part of the UK, cannot think of a more egregious violation of sovereignty than that.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,171
    MattW said:

    A genuine question for @JosiasJessop and probably @Cookie .

    I've been trying to build my fitness back over the last several months, counting steps etc to maintain a bit of interest, and I'm about ready to get back on the cycle.

    How do you calibrate your "steps" to your cycling. In energy terms effort to distance is about 5:1 cycling:walking. Do you have an app that self-adjusts? I'll get out later on to if my free app can tell the difference.

    @MattW - apologies, I can't help you - I may be a cyclist but I am also a technophobe!
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 919

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Agreed.

    But he is a traitor.
    I'll say to you what I'm not allowed to say during work (and apologies if I'm overreacting) but of course he fucking isn't. He has a different idea of what is in the international interest to you and he has the constitutional authority to do what he is doing. You can call him stupid, deluded, misguided or a fucking idiot but he's obviously not a traitor.
    I don't give a shit about the international interest.

    I care about the national interest like, you know, he's elected to represent.
    But how can you think it's treachery?
    Because he's sold out British sovereignty and territory to a foreign power in hock to China at significant cost to the public purse.
    Did you feel the same when the Tories sold out Northern Ireland and had to pay for the privilege?
    Northern Ireland is still UK territory.
    It would take a long time to list all of the British sovereign territory that various governments have ceded over the years. Presumably that makes Gladstone, Harold Macmillan, Douglas Home and Harold Wilson traitors too.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,469
    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    My crop for 2025 looks likely to be wiped out tonight.

    Good growth and low humidity throughout May, perfect conditions for vine growth, although with a number of cold nights that have been close shaves. Then tonight, in late May, a final late frost of the season looks nailed on. Low humidity, clear skies, cool airmass and zero wind. Perfect for radiation frost.

    Down to 5.1C already at the vineyard. Likely -2C by end of night. Game over. Probably 80%+ damage.

    sorry to read this. dont the french light fires between the vines if this is about to happen?
    Light fires / candles, fire up fans, spray with water, all sorts. It doesn’t make financial sense for me to do that unfortunately. The outlay is huge. Though this year given there have only been 2 frost events it might in hindsight have paid off to use frost candles.

    EDIT: 3.7C now.
    3.3C
    Sorry, is this in Kent?
    Yes, the downs South of Canterbury. Unfortunately quite a frost prone site.

    Now 2.7C.

    Meanwhile bloody Railway Hill vineyard, owned by Simpsons and just over the hill at the same altitude, is a balmy 7C.
    Sorry to hear that - I'd be interested in knowing what it dips out at tonight.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,429
    Nigelb said:

    I wonder if Britain had accepted the Malta referendum of 1956 and incorporated it into the UK if we'd have pursued the incorporation/French empire model with any other colonies making them part of the kingdom??

    That makes for an intriguing alt history.
    We just weren't that smart.
    I was talking to a Maltese academic last week, and asked why he decided to stay in Britain when his wife had got a job in Vienna. His reply was touching but gave me a dose of regret for what could have been. He said he feels an affinity for and familiarity with the UK because of our shared history and it’s like a second home. We should have taken them up on it.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,069
    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Agreed.

    But he is a traitor.
    I'll say to you what I'm not allowed to say during work (and apologies if I'm overreacting) but of course he fucking isn't. He has a different idea of what is in the international interest to you and he has the constitutional authority to do what he is doing. You can call him stupid, deluded, misguided or a fucking idiot but he's obviously not a traitor.
    I don't give a shit about the international interest.

    I care about the national interest like, you know, he's elected to represent.
    But how can you think it's treachery?
    Because he's sold out British sovereignty and territory to a foreign power in hock to China at significant cost to the public purse.
    Did you feel the same when the Tories sold out Northern Ireland and had to pay for the privilege?
    Northern Ireland is still UK territory.
    It would take a long time to list all of the British sovereign territory that various governments have ceded over the years. Presumably that makes Gladstone, Harold Macmillan, Douglas Home and Harold Wilson traitors too.
    Don't forget Thatcher, the Anglo-Irish agreement, Hong Kong, I could go on.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,900
    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    My crop for 2025 looks likely to be wiped out tonight.

    Good growth and low humidity throughout May, perfect conditions for vine growth, although with a number of cold nights that have been close shaves. Then tonight, in late May, a final late frost of the season looks nailed on. Low humidity, clear skies, cool airmass and zero wind. Perfect for radiation frost.

    Down to 5.1C already at the vineyard. Likely -2C by end of night. Game over. Probably 80%+ damage.

    sorry to read this. dont the french light fires between the vines if this is about to happen?
    Light fires / candles, fire up fans, spray with water, all sorts. It doesn’t make financial sense for me to do that unfortunately. The outlay is huge. Though this year given there have only been 2 frost events it might in hindsight have paid off to use frost candles.

    EDIT: 3.7C now.
    3.3C
    Sorry, is this in Kent?
    Yes, the downs South of Canterbury. Unfortunately quite a frost prone site.

    Now 2.7C.

    Meanwhile bloody Railway Hill vineyard, owned by Simpsons and just over the hill at the same altitude, is a balmy 7C.
    You in a frost pocket? Our house sits at the base of a shallow circular valley and is always 2-3 deg colder in a frost than nearby places.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,290
    edited May 22
    Cookie said:

    MattW said:

    A genuine question for @JosiasJessop and probably @Cookie .

    I've been trying to build my fitness back over the last several months, counting steps etc to maintain a bit of interest, and I'm about ready to get back on the cycle.

    How do you calibrate your "steps" to your cycling. In energy terms effort to distance is about 5:1 cycling:walking. Do you have an app that self-adjusts? I'll get out later on to if my free app can tell the difference.

    @MattW - apologies, I can't help you - I may be a cyclist but I am also a technophobe!
    That reminds me of a fun "I am a cyclist" video; a Raleigh advert.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oltX2dxHYDE
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,900

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Agreed.

    But he is a traitor.
    I'll say to you what I'm not allowed to say during work (and apologies if I'm overreacting) but of course he fucking isn't. He has a different idea of what is in the international interest to you and he has the constitutional authority to do what he is doing. You can call him stupid, deluded, misguided or a fucking idiot but he's obviously not a traitor.
    I don't give a shit about the international interest.

    I care about the national interest like, you know, he's elected to represent.
    Apologies I meant the national interest. You must accept that other people have a different conception of the national interest to you? As I said you'd be perfectly entitled to think they were misguided, naive or stupid but how can you think it's treachery?
    I quickly checked the Treason Act 1351 and nothing discussed here, not anything Starmer has done, not anything people have said about Starmer, remotely constitutes treason. It's available here (as subsequently amended): https://www.legislation.gov.uk/aep/Edw3Stat5/25/2 (The original text, in Norman French, is also available.)
    Can we be sure he hasn’t thought about Charles III dying on his watch?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,299
    ...

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Agreed.

    But he is a traitor.
    I'll say to you what I'm not allowed to say during work (and apologies if I'm overreacting) but of course he fucking isn't. He has a different idea of what is in the international interest to you and he has the constitutional authority to do what he is doing. You can call him stupid, deluded, misguided or a fucking idiot but he's obviously not a traitor.
    I don't give a shit about the international interest.

    I care about the national interest like, you know, he's elected to represent.
    But how can you think it's treachery?
    Because he's sold out British sovereignty and territory to a foreign power in hock to China at significant cost to the public purse.
    Did you feel the same when the Tories sold out Northern Ireland and had to pay for the privilege?
    Northern Ireland is still UK territory.
    Until Starmer sells it to Ireland at a price of £100bn.











    ...in UK aid to Ireland.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,555

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    My crop for 2025 looks likely to be wiped out tonight.

    Good growth and low humidity throughout May, perfect conditions for vine growth, although with a number of cold nights that have been close shaves. Then tonight, in late May, a final late frost of the season looks nailed on. Low humidity, clear skies, cool airmass and zero wind. Perfect for radiation frost.

    Down to 5.1C already at the vineyard. Likely -2C by end of night. Game over. Probably 80%+ damage.

    sorry to read this. dont the french light fires between the vines if this is about to happen?
    Light fires / candles, fire up fans, spray with water, all sorts. It doesn’t make financial sense for me to do that unfortunately. The outlay is huge. Though this year given there have only been 2 frost events it might in hindsight have paid off to use frost candles.

    EDIT: 3.7C now.
    3.3C
    Sorry, is this in Kent?
    Yes, the downs South of Canterbury. Unfortunately quite a frost prone site.

    Now 2.7C.

    Meanwhile bloody Railway Hill vineyard, owned by Simpsons and just over the hill at the same altitude, is a balmy 7C.
    Sorry to hear that - I'd be interested in knowing what it dips out at tonight.
    Dipping down toward 13C around here right now. Tropical!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,302
    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Agreed.

    But he is a traitor.
    I'll say to you what I'm not allowed to say during work (and apologies if I'm overreacting) but of course he fucking isn't. He has a different idea of what is in the international interest to you and he has the constitutional authority to do what he is doing. You can call him stupid, deluded, misguided or a fucking idiot but he's obviously not a traitor.
    I don't give a shit about the international interest.

    I care about the national interest like, you know, he's elected to represent.
    But how can you think it's treachery?
    Because he's sold out British sovereignty and territory to a foreign power in hock to China at significant cost to the public purse.
    Did you feel the same when the Tories sold out Northern Ireland and had to pay for the privilege?
    Northern Ireland is still UK territory.
    It would take a long time to list all of the British sovereign territory that various governments have ceded over the years. Presumably that makes Gladstone, Harold Macmillan, Douglas Home and Harold Wilson traitors too.
    And that damned Lord North
  • dixiedean said:

    Anyways.
    I'm off to Ulverston tomorrow.
    Which, like Shap, isn't in the Lake District.

    It's in Lancashire.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,135

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Agreed.

    But he is a traitor.
    I'll say to you what I'm not allowed to say during work (and apologies if I'm overreacting) but of course he fucking isn't. He has a different idea of what is in the international interest to you and he has the constitutional authority to do what he is doing. You can call him stupid, deluded, misguided or a fucking idiot but he's obviously not a traitor.
    I don't give a shit about the international interest.

    I care about the national interest like, you know, he's elected to represent.
    But how can you think it's treachery?
    Because he's sold out British sovereignty and territory to a foreign power in hock to China at significant cost to the public purse.
    Did you feel the same when the Tories sold out Northern Ireland and had to pay for the privilege?
    Don't be silly. Northern Ireland is British and we don't pay "rent" for it.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,339
    edited May 22

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Agreed.

    But he is a traitor.
    I'll say to you what I'm not allowed to say during work (and apologies if I'm overreacting) but of course he fucking isn't. He has a different idea of what is in the international interest to you and he has the constitutional authority to do what he is doing. You can call him stupid, deluded, misguided or a fucking idiot but he's obviously not a traitor.
    I don't give a shit about the international interest.

    I care about the national interest like, you know, he's elected to represent.
    Apologies I meant the national interest. You must accept that other people have a different conception of the national interest to you? As I said you'd be perfectly entitled to think they were misguided, naive or stupid but how can you think it's treachery?
    I quickly checked the Treason Act 1351 and nothing discussed here, not anything Starmer has done, not anything people have said about Starmer, remotely constitutes treason. It's available here (as subsequently amended): https://www.legislation.gov.uk/aep/Edw3Stat5/25/2 (The original text, in Norman French, is also available.)
    Can we be sure he hasn’t thought about Charles III dying on his watch?
    I believe "fait compasser ou ymaginer" can be taken to mean "planned", not merely idly wondered.

    EDIT: Oh, apparently, a later clause specifies this.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,135

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Agreed.

    But he is a traitor.
    I'll say to you what I'm not allowed to say during work (and apologies if I'm overreacting) but of course he fucking isn't. He has a different idea of what is in the international interest to you and he has the constitutional authority to do what he is doing. You can call him stupid, deluded, misguided or a fucking idiot but he's obviously not a traitor.
    I don't give a shit about the international interest.

    I care about the national interest like, you know, he's elected to represent.
    But how can you think it's treachery?
    Because he's sold out British sovereignty and territory to a foreign power in hock to China at significant cost to the public purse.
    Did you feel the same when the Tories sold out Northern Ireland and had to pay for the privilege?
    Northern Ireland is still UK territory.
    But was subject to the laws and jurisdiction of a foreign power which wasn't applicable to another part of the UK, cannot think of a more egregious violation of sovereignty than that.
    I can.

    Actually giving sovereignty away, and then paying for a leasehold to have a bit back.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,653

    ...

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Agreed.

    But he is a traitor.
    I'll say to you what I'm not allowed to say during work (and apologies if I'm overreacting) but of course he fucking isn't. He has a different idea of what is in the international interest to you and he has the constitutional authority to do what he is doing. You can call him stupid, deluded, misguided or a fucking idiot but he's obviously not a traitor.
    I don't give a shit about the international interest.

    I care about the national interest like, you know, he's elected to represent.
    But how can you think it's treachery?
    Because he's sold out British sovereignty and territory to a foreign power in hock to China at significant cost to the public purse.
    Did you feel the same when the Tories sold out Northern Ireland and had to pay for the privilege?
    Northern Ireland is still UK territory.
    Until Starmer sells it to Ireland at a price of £100bn.











    ...in UK aid to Ireland.
    For full stroke inducement, just think of it as reparations for the Great Famine.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,095

    dixiedean said:

    Anyways.
    I'm off to Ulverston tomorrow.
    Which, like Shap, isn't in the Lake District.

    It's in Lancashire.
    Sure is.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,095

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Agreed.

    But he is a traitor.
    I'll say to you what I'm not allowed to say during work (and apologies if I'm overreacting) but of course he fucking isn't. He has a different idea of what is in the international interest to you and he has the constitutional authority to do what he is doing. You can call him stupid, deluded, misguided or a fucking idiot but he's obviously not a traitor.
    I don't give a shit about the international interest.

    I care about the national interest like, you know, he's elected to represent.
    Apologies I meant the national interest. You must accept that other people have a different conception of the national interest to you? As I said you'd be perfectly entitled to think they were misguided, naive or stupid but how can you think it's treachery?
    I quickly checked the Treason Act 1351 and nothing discussed here, not anything Starmer has done, not anything people have said about Starmer, remotely constitutes treason. It's available here (as subsequently amended): https://www.legislation.gov.uk/aep/Edw3Stat5/25/2 (The original text, in Norman French, is also available.)
    I was being facetious.
    In response to ridiculous hyperbole.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,302

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Agreed.

    But he is a traitor.
    I'll say to you what I'm not allowed to say during work (and apologies if I'm overreacting) but of course he fucking isn't. He has a different idea of what is in the international interest to you and he has the constitutional authority to do what he is doing. You can call him stupid, deluded, misguided or a fucking idiot but he's obviously not a traitor.
    I don't give a shit about the international interest.

    I care about the national interest like, you know, he's elected to represent.
    But how can you think it's treachery?
    Because he's sold out British sovereignty and territory to a foreign power in hock to China at significant cost to the public purse.
    Did you feel the same when the Tories sold out Northern Ireland and had to pay for the privilege?
    Northern Ireland is still UK territory.
    It would take a long time to list all of the British sovereign territory that various governments have ceded over the years. Presumably that makes Gladstone, Harold Macmillan, Douglas Home and Harold Wilson traitors too.
    Don't forget Thatcher, the Anglo-Irish agreement, Hong Kong, I could go on.
    Yes it was only the New Territories that were under 99 year lease, HK and Kowloon/Stonecutters had been ceded earlier in perpetuity.
    Thatcher wanted to administer HK and gave it under joint sovereignty or Britush administered but Chinese owned. China said no way and we buckled.

    And as for British Calais and our Gascony possessions. Bloody French.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,339
    dixiedean said:

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Agreed.

    But he is a traitor.
    I'll say to you what I'm not allowed to say during work (and apologies if I'm overreacting) but of course he fucking isn't. He has a different idea of what is in the international interest to you and he has the constitutional authority to do what he is doing. You can call him stupid, deluded, misguided or a fucking idiot but he's obviously not a traitor.
    I don't give a shit about the international interest.

    I care about the national interest like, you know, he's elected to represent.
    Apologies I meant the national interest. You must accept that other people have a different conception of the national interest to you? As I said you'd be perfectly entitled to think they were misguided, naive or stupid but how can you think it's treachery?
    I quickly checked the Treason Act 1351 and nothing discussed here, not anything Starmer has done, not anything people have said about Starmer, remotely constitutes treason. It's available here (as subsequently amended): https://www.legislation.gov.uk/aep/Edw3Stat5/25/2 (The original text, in Norman French, is also available.)
    I was being facetious.
    In response to ridiculous hyperbole.
    You think I'm quoting the Treason Act 1351 seriously? I must work on my humour...
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,045
    Fight Fiercely, Harvard!
    (T. Lehrer )
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,996

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    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Agreed.

    But he is a traitor.
    I'll say to you what I'm not allowed to say during work (and apologies if I'm overreacting) but of course he fucking isn't. He has a different idea of what is in the international interest to you and he has the constitutional authority to do what he is doing. You can call him stupid, deluded, misguided or a fucking idiot but he's obviously not a traitor.
    I don't give a shit about the international interest.

    I care about the national interest like, you know, he's elected to represent.
    But how can you think it's treachery?
    Because he's sold out British sovereignty and territory to a foreign power in hock to China at significant cost to the public purse.
    Did you feel the same when the Tories sold out Northern Ireland and had to pay for the privilege?
    Northern Ireland is still UK territory.
    Until Starmer sells it to Ireland at a price of £100bn.











    ...in UK aid to Ireland.
    Sounds like a bargain.





    ... For the UK.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,293

    Leon said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    Including the great British electorate, who now rate him as one of the worst ever British prime ministers, after a year in office

    There’s yer problem. If it was just the PB Reformists having a go, you could shrug it off. But this is what most people think, Starmer is a dud, and increasingly a very dislikeable and possibly dodgy dud
    He has zero warmth, zero likability his 'earnestness' is so needy, he exudes claminess and avoid like the plagueiness
    He was good on Desert Island Discs.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,302
    Getting Grim for keir on socials, Suez being invoked 'biggest humiliation since'

    Not sensible of him, popcorn aside, to accuse RefTories of siding with Russia/Iran etc given the anger of a lot of normies about it all.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,568
    edited May 22
    REPORTER: On the president's dinner tonight, will the White House commit to making a list of the attendees public so people can see who's paying for that kind of access to the president?

    LEAVITT: The president is attending it in his personal time

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1925604506315751901

    If he's not acting as president when he accepts massive bribes, does that mean immunity doesn't apply ?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,429

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    My crop for 2025 looks likely to be wiped out tonight.

    Good growth and low humidity throughout May, perfect conditions for vine growth, although with a number of cold nights that have been close shaves. Then tonight, in late May, a final late frost of the season looks nailed on. Low humidity, clear skies, cool airmass and zero wind. Perfect for radiation frost.

    Down to 5.1C already at the vineyard. Likely -2C by end of night. Game over. Probably 80%+ damage.

    sorry to read this. dont the french light fires between the vines if this is about to happen?
    Light fires / candles, fire up fans, spray with water, all sorts. It doesn’t make financial sense for me to do that unfortunately. The outlay is huge. Though this year given there have only been 2 frost events it might in hindsight have paid off to use frost candles.

    EDIT: 3.7C now.
    3.3C
    Sorry, is this in Kent?
    Yes, the downs South of Canterbury. Unfortunately quite a frost prone site.

    Now 2.7C.

    Meanwhile bloody Railway Hill vineyard, owned by Simpsons and just over the hill at the same altitude, is a balmy 7C.
    You in a frost pocket? Our house sits at the base of a shallow circular valley and is always 2-3 deg colder in a frost than nearby places.
    Yep, a quite extreme frost pocket. It’s in a dry valley in the downs with limited air egress.

    Why on earth did I plant a vineyard in a frost pocket? Why indeed. I was concerned when I found the land so I got a frost risk survey from a viticultural climate researcher who’d developed a high res GIS tool, and his report was surprisingly positive. So I bought it. Then realised GIS models aren’t foolproof.

    Still, it makes an interesting site for a weather station. Huge diurnal range, and it heats up incredibly quickly in the morning as it’s an East facing slope.

    (Now 2.4C. It’s hovering at the moment. Probably some ground frost releasing a bit of latent heat).
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,095

    dixiedean said:

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Agreed.

    But he is a traitor.
    I'll say to you what I'm not allowed to say during work (and apologies if I'm overreacting) but of course he fucking isn't. He has a different idea of what is in the international interest to you and he has the constitutional authority to do what he is doing. You can call him stupid, deluded, misguided or a fucking idiot but he's obviously not a traitor.
    I don't give a shit about the international interest.

    I care about the national interest like, you know, he's elected to represent.
    Apologies I meant the national interest. You must accept that other people have a different conception of the national interest to you? As I said you'd be perfectly entitled to think they were misguided, naive or stupid but how can you think it's treachery?
    I quickly checked the Treason Act 1351 and nothing discussed here, not anything Starmer has done, not anything people have said about Starmer, remotely constitutes treason. It's available here (as subsequently amended): https://www.legislation.gov.uk/aep/Edw3Stat5/25/2 (The original text, in Norman French, is also available.)
    I was being facetious.
    In response to ridiculous hyperbole.
    You think I'm quoting the Treason Act 1351 seriously? I must work on my humour...
    Sorry.
    Who the f*** knows these days?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,302
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    Including the great British electorate, who now rate him as one of the worst ever British prime ministers, after a year in office

    There’s yer problem. If it was just the PB Reformists having a go, you could shrug it off. But this is what most people think, Starmer is a dud, and increasingly a very dislikeable and possibly dodgy dud
    He has zero warmth, zero likability his 'earnestness' is so needy, he exudes claminess and avoid like the plagueiness
    He was good on Desert Island Discs.
    I missed that I'm afraid
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,095

    Getting Grim for keir on socials, Suez being invoked 'biggest humiliation since'

    Not sensible of him, popcorn aside, to accuse RefTories of siding with Russia/Iran etc given the anger of a lot of normies about it all.

    There aren't any normies on social media.
    Not ranting about politics anyways.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,290

    dixiedean said:

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Agreed.

    But he is a traitor.
    I'll say to you what I'm not allowed to say during work (and apologies if I'm overreacting) but of course he fucking isn't. He has a different idea of what is in the international interest to you and he has the constitutional authority to do what he is doing. You can call him stupid, deluded, misguided or a fucking idiot but he's obviously not a traitor.
    I don't give a shit about the international interest.

    I care about the national interest like, you know, he's elected to represent.
    Apologies I meant the national interest. You must accept that other people have a different conception of the national interest to you? As I said you'd be perfectly entitled to think they were misguided, naive or stupid but how can you think it's treachery?
    I quickly checked the Treason Act 1351 and nothing discussed here, not anything Starmer has done, not anything people have said about Starmer, remotely constitutes treason. It's available here (as subsequently amended): https://www.legislation.gov.uk/aep/Edw3Stat5/25/2 (The original text, in Norman French, is also available.)
    I was being facetious.
    In response to ridiculous hyperbole.
    You think I'm quoting the Treason Act 1351 seriously? I must work on my humour...
    I'm sure there are some suitable words in the Indictment of Charles I.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,095
    New Pulp album out soon.
    The Earth fell off its axis when Jarvis stopped making music.
    Second single video is just Wigan Casino.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,959
    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Are you not being a bit hyperbolic yourself? Do these people really believe that? Or are they saying it for effect (a la Leon)?
    No I don't think they are. If you're utterly convinced that the Prime Minister is a traitor then it's not a hyperbolic position. Also not wishing to be patronising but Leon reads widely whereas a lot of people only get their news from right wing social media outlets so don't have an alternative viewpoint to adopt.
    Also, I honestly think he’s a traitor

    It’s not hyperbole

    Traitor, definition:

    “In legal terms, a traitor is a person who commits treason, which is the crime of betraying one's country or sovereign through acts considered dangerous to national security. This typically involves levying war against the state, aiding its enemies, or attempting to overthrow the government”

    I believe that by needlessly ceding the Chagos to Mauritius - a known and close ally of China, a near mortal enemy of the UK and the west - he is endangering the UK. Which is treachery in this definition. The fact he’s making us pay for it adds insult to injury but is not central to the facts

    Others are free to disagree, and legally dispute this. It seems the Americans are not worried (but then again do we really trust them now? Trump?)

    So no I’m not bandying the word about lightly. I honestly believe it. And if I honestly believe this is the case, what other word am I meant to use?! He’s being “naughty”?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,095
    edited May 22
    Users of X are a particularly minority grouping. Never met one IRL except for the ex.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,775
    edited May 22
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    Including the great British electorate, who now rate him as one of the worst ever British prime ministers, after a year in office

    There’s yer problem. If it was just the PB Reformists having a go, you could shrug it off. But this is what most people think, Starmer is a dud, and increasingly a very dislikeable and possibly dodgy dud
    He has zero warmth, zero likability his 'earnestness' is so needy, he exudes claminess and avoid like the plagueiness
    He was good on Desert Island Discs.
    As was Enoch.

    His answer to Sue Lawley’s question as to whether he was a socialite or studious at University is one of my favourites of his

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p009mf3s
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,912

    Ailbhe Rea
    @PronouncedAlva

    SCOOP: Keir Starmer is at odds with his chief of staff, Morgan McSweeney, over whether to scrap the two-child benefit cap, according to multiple sources.

    The Prime Minister wants to lift the cap, while McSweeney is the "main opponent" to the move.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,302


    Ailbhe Rea
    @PronouncedAlva

    SCOOP: Keir Starmer is at odds with his chief of staff, Morgan McSweeney, over whether to scrap the two-child benefit cap, according to multiple sources.

    The Prime Minister wants to lift the cap, while McSweeney is the "main opponent" to the move.

    The fiscal rules and financial probity are deeply inconvenient right now Morgan, people think I'm a total shit and everything
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,959
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    The view from Shap. Pretty. Also chilly



    I think an early morning walk in the Lakes is necessary

    How long have you got?
    Shap is the very edge of the Lakes and can feel a little bleak. My recommendation for a quick taste of the lakes without delaying you too much on your journey would be to head up the M66 to the A66 junction (J40?), then head west and immediately south down Ullswater and head for the car park for Aira Force - there is a nice little walk up to the Lakes's loveliest waterfall with splendid views down over Ullswater. You may see some red squirrels. You will get the benefit of some beauty, some fresh air and exercise, but can be back on your way fairly quickly.
    Ta! Apparently it’s gonna be lovely and sunny tomorrow so I shall probably do that hike! - then head on to St Andrews
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,095
    Leon said:

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Are you not being a bit hyperbolic yourself? Do these people really believe that? Or are they saying it for effect (a la Leon)?
    No I don't think they are. If you're utterly convinced that the Prime Minister is a traitor then it's not a hyperbolic position. Also not wishing to be patronising but Leon reads widely whereas a lot of people only get their news from right wing social media outlets so don't have an alternative viewpoint to adopt.
    Also, I honestly think he’s a traitor

    It’s not hyperbole

    Traitor, definition:

    “In legal terms, a traitor is a person who commits treason, which is the crime of betraying one's country or sovereign through acts considered dangerous to national security. This typically involves levying war against the state, aiding its enemies, or attempting to overthrow the government”

    I believe that by needlessly ceding the Chagos to Mauritius - a known and close ally of China, a near mortal enemy of the UK and the west - he is endangering the UK. Which is treachery in this definition. The fact he’s making us pay for it adds insult to injury but is not central to the facts

    Others are free to disagree, and legally dispute this. It seems the Americans are not worried (but then again do we really trust them now? Trump?)

    So no I’m not bandying the word about lightly. I honestly believe it. And if I honestly believe this is the case, what other word am I meant to use?! He’s being “naughty”?
    "Attempting to overthrow the government" means expressing an intention to vote Reform.
    Hope you've an overnight bag packed.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,339

    Getting Grim for keir on socials, Suez being invoked 'biggest humiliation since'

    Not sensible of him, popcorn aside, to accuse RefTories of siding with Russia/Iran etc given the anger of a lot of normies about it all.

    I’ve seen lots of people here angry about it, but no-one I’d describe as a normie.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,095
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    The view from Shap. Pretty. Also chilly



    I think an early morning walk in the Lakes is necessary

    How long have you got?
    Shap is the very edge of the Lakes and can feel a little bleak. My recommendation for a quick taste of the lakes without delaying you too much on your journey would be to head up the M66 to the A66 junction (J40?), then head west and immediately south down Ullswater and head for the car park for Aira Force - there is a nice little walk up to the Lakes's loveliest waterfall with splendid views down over Ullswater. You may see some red squirrels. You will get the benefit of some beauty, some fresh air and exercise, but can be back on your way fairly quickly.
    Ta! Apparently it’s gonna be lovely and sunny tomorrow so I shall probably do that hike! - then head on to St Andrews
    On this Cookie is 100% correct.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,299

    ...

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Stereodog said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    OMG, so many deluded by Starmer derangement syndrome this evening.

    The absolute obsession with turning every minor deal into the betrayal of the UK is getting a bit tedious.

    Between that and our deeply uninspiring government, it's going to be a long four yrlears.
    It's quite amusing that idiots like Leon who cheered Boris Johnson's deals which put down a border in the Irish Sea accuse others of treason.

    They can literally get in the fucking sea.
    I ceased being offended by Leon some time ago.

    As the great man said, "mostly harmless".
    Leon might be harmless but all of this language about treason and betrayal which is whipped up on social media isn't. I work in a job which acts as a connection between the public and government. Some of the opinions expressed are shocking and something that I've never seen before. There are many people who genuinely think that Starmer ought to be executed under the Treason Act. Hyperbole about treason might seem funny on here but I fear it's real world consequences.
    Agreed.

    But he is a traitor.
    I'll say to you what I'm not allowed to say during work (and apologies if I'm overreacting) but of course he fucking isn't. He has a different idea of what is in the international interest to you and he has the constitutional authority to do what he is doing. You can call him stupid, deluded, misguided or a fucking idiot but he's obviously not a traitor.
    I don't give a shit about the international interest.

    I care about the national interest like, you know, he's elected to represent.
    But how can you think it's treachery?
    Because he's sold out British sovereignty and territory to a foreign power in hock to China at significant cost to the public purse.
    Did you feel the same when the Tories sold out Northern Ireland and had to pay for the privilege?
    Northern Ireland is still UK territory.
    Until Starmer sells it to Ireland at a price of £100bn.











    ...in UK aid to Ireland.
    For full stroke inducement, just think of it as reparations for the Great Famine.
    We really ought to chuck in another £5bn for the sackings of Edward the Bruce.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,321
    Laughable spin from Starmer/Labour:

    https://x.com/miketapptweets/status/1925646419693650374

    *Supporting Chagos deal:*
    🇺🇸 US
    🇫🇷 France
    🇨🇦 Canada
    🇦🇺 Australia
    🇳🇿 New Zealand
    🌍 Nato

    *Not supporting Chagos deal:*
    🇨🇳 China
    🇷🇺 Russia
    🇮🇷 Iran
    👎 Nigel Farage
    👎 Kemi Badenoch
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,302

    Getting Grim for keir on socials, Suez being invoked 'biggest humiliation since'

    Not sensible of him, popcorn aside, to accuse RefTories of siding with Russia/Iran etc given the anger of a lot of normies about it all.

    I’ve seen lots of people here angry about it, but no-one I’d describe as a normie.
    There's plenty normies off of here angry enough. They might be using it as an excuse to be angry but it's there.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,959

    Leon said:

    The view from Shap. Pretty. Also chilly



    I think an early morning walk in the Lakes is necessary

    Yeah, two brilliantly captured utility poles. Idyllic.
    Yes I’m not sure that’s a Pulitzer Prize winning photo. But Shap is quite atmospheric and noomy - not lush and beautiful. But the moors looming over it (unfortunately not captured in my photo) lend a lyrically ominous quality

    Also I just like the word “Shap” AND I’ve just discovered that Uncle Monty’s cottage from Withnail
    and I - ie the location - is about 5 minutes drive away. I shall go see in the AM
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