Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
I don't even know where to begin with this level of weird, mule-headed incomprehension, so... I'm not going to begin
You clearly live in an alternative universe in which Farage is any way a suitable candidate for public office, let alone high office.
He’s a very effective populist campaigner, but he is also a lazy shyster.
OK, I will give you one last chance before I consign you into the bin with @bondegezou and @kinabalu and the rest
What evidence do we have for Farage's admin skills or otherwise? I'd say almost none - until recently - but that's because he's not beem trying for this. He is a campaigning politician, rather than a manager. He knows his own skills, and exploits them superbly
That, surely, is now accepted, even by you and the PB Centrist Dimwits? I think so
In which case, do we have any evidence for him being managerially and administratively skilled? Well, yes, this time we do. Namely: he has personally taken charge of Reform and turned them - in a couple of years- into a nationwide party that can win - WIN - a UK local election, humiliating the Tories and Labour. He's got candidates recruited, vetted, scrutinised, or persuaded them to defect. And you can't say "oh that's not him" because - as you guys insist - he doesn't rely on rivals and colleagues because: the party is him
So if the party is him, it is him that has done this. I see this as a remarkable feat of political administration. Man management. Does it mean he will be good in office? Who knows. But it is impressive
Frankly, I wish he'd been in charge of our EU reset negotiations, rather than Starmer, don't you? Farage has the wit, smarts and balls, he knows when to press and when to walk away, he would have got a seriously superior deal than the flailing, inept Sir Keir Starmer, the butt plug of Brussels
It’s commonly known that Farage falls out with everyone, and his failure to turn up to any of his actual workplaces tells its own story.
As for Farage being in charge of negotiations, no. Farage doesn’t do detail, nuance, compromise, or - in the final analysis - reality, preferring the comfort of deluded rage-baiting to actual material improvement.
Only a half-wit would want Farage anywhere near power or any kind.
Besides, when Brave Sir Nigel could have made himself relevant, in 2017 and 2019, he ran away. There were plenty of Brexitty Labour-held seats where he could have stood and won and been in Parliament while Brexit happened, but he didn't.
Farage is a superb campaigner, but he wouldn't be able to implement most of his promises, both through lack of diplomatic and collegiate skills, and economic reality.
One thing he might both want to do, and better be able to do, would be to link Britain to a Trumpite America more fully than any other British politician.
Just what so many non-Americans are crying out for right now.
Nigel Farage missed the parliamentary debate on the biggest reset to Brexit since the referendum because he is overseas on holiday, the Reform UK leader has said. Following speculation that he was on holiday in France, Farage, who has not been seen in the Commons this week and did not present his GB News show on Monday, released a statement confirming he was away.
Good for him for having a holiday - he sure as shit deserves one.
However, Kemi has definitely made the most of it in his absence.
HOC is in recess next week, the lazy f****r could have gone then. They pretty much get the school holidays plus another month in September/October.
Whatever else he can be called, I don't think lazy is it.
He does f all constituency work. He frequently misses Commons sessions, as he always missed European Parliament sessions. He's pretty lazy.
Farage has now been MP of Clacton for over a year - the constituency opinion pieces you present are very out of date - though I thank you for them.
Nor does the piece about his Commons attendance come to a conclusion on his work rate. It notes that leaders of smaller parties have tended to vote more (and larger parties less), but the leaders of the Greens and the DUP are not leaders of national movements of the scale of Reform.
And the most damning, his MEP attendance rate?
It was a central tenet (and I believe a true one) of euroskepticism that the parliament was a talking shop, as real power lay with the commission. I am not aware that Farage ever attended the European Parliament to do anything except take the piss out of it, and I doubt those who voted for him wanted him to do anything else.
I asked for links because I was genuinely interested in Farage and Clacton - I don't get the impression that the good people of Clacton are rising up in revolt against their absentee squire, so I wonder how he's managing.
My impression of Farage's schedule in general is that it's one of the most punishing in British politics.
He does take on lots of extra work for money, true. He has more outside earnings than any other MP. Maybe he's not lazy, he just needs the right financial motivation.
I think he likes money (and has only fairly recently become a very big earner), as do most of us, but most of all I think he's working his tits off to promote Reform. He was knocking on doors in Runcorn on the day of the election. They won by six votes. It is highly possible that his decision to work on that day won them the election.
Political leader knocks on doors on day of by-election. Truly a Stakhanovite!
The leader whose party finished six votes behind didn't visit the constituency at all.. I suppose that will be thought of as a shrewd move
EDIT I hadn't seen @bondegezou's post actually saying this! Funny, I was always told on here that Starmer was really popular, and Farage was a massive turn off. Depends on the day of the week I suppose
I think people assume their view of someone is on a par with everyone else’s. Farage is certainly marmite. Loved and loathed.
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
I don't even know where to begin with this level of weird, mule-headed incomprehension, so... I'm not going to begin
You clearly live in an alternative universe in which Farage is any way a suitable candidate for public office, let alone high office.
He’s a very effective populist campaigner, but he is also a lazy shyster.
OK, I will give you one last chance before I consign you into the bin with @bondegezou and @kinabalu and the rest
What evidence do we have for Farage's admin skills or otherwise? I'd say almost none - until recently - but that's because he's not beem trying for this. He is a campaigning politician, rather than a manager. He knows his own skills, and exploits them superbly
That, surely, is now accepted, even by you and the PB Centrist Dimwits? I think so
In which case, do we have any evidence for him being managerially and administratively skilled? Well, yes, this time we do. Namely: he has personally taken charge of Reform and turned them - in a couple of years- into a nationwide party that can win - WIN - a UK local election, humiliating the Tories and Labour. He's got candidates recruited, vetted, scrutinised, or persuaded them to defect. And you can't say "oh that's not him" because - as you guys insist - he doesn't rely on rivals and colleagues because: the party is him
So if the party is him, it is him that has done this. I see this as a remarkable feat of political administration. Man management. Does it mean he will be good in office? Who knows. But it is impressive
Frankly, I wish he'd been in charge of our EU reset negotiations, rather than Starmer, don't you? Farage has the wit, smarts and balls, he knows when to press and when to walk away, he would have got a seriously superior deal than the flailing, inept Sir Keir Starmer, the butt plug of Brussels
It’s commonly known that Farage falls out with everyone, and his failure to turn up to any of his actual workplaces tells its own story.
As for Farage being in charge of negotiations, no. Farage doesn’t do detail, nuance, compromise, or - in the final analysis - reality, preferring the comfort of deluded rage-baiting to actual material improvement.
Only a half-wit would want Farage anywhere near power or any kind.
Besides, when Brave Sir Nigel could have made himself relevant, in 2017 and 2019, he ran away. There were plenty of Brexitty Labour-held seats where he could have stood and won and been in Parliament while Brexit happened, but he didn't.
He wouldn't have been in parliament while Brexit happened between 2017 and 2019, because your lot were straining every sinew to justify ignoring the vote
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
I don't even know where to begin with this level of weird, mule-headed incomprehension, so... I'm not going to begin
You clearly live in an alternative universe in which Farage is any way a suitable candidate for public office, let alone high office.
He’s a very effective populist campaigner, but he is also a lazy shyster.
OK, I will give you one last chance before I consign you into the bin with @bondegezou and @kinabalu and the rest
What evidence do we have for Farage's admin skills or otherwise? I'd say almost none - until recently - but that's because he's not beem trying for this. He is a campaigning politician, rather than a manager. He knows his own skills, and exploits them superbly
That, surely, is now accepted, even by you and the PB Centrist Dimwits? I think so
In which case, do we have any evidence for him being managerially and administratively skilled? Well, yes, this time we do. Namely: he has personally taken charge of Reform and turned them - in a couple of years- into a nationwide party that can win - WIN - a UK local election, humiliating the Tories and Labour. He's got candidates recruited, vetted, scrutinised, or persuaded them to defect. And you can't say "oh that's not him" because - as you guys insist - he doesn't rely on rivals and colleagues because: the party is him
So if the party is him, it is him that has done this. I see this as a remarkable feat of political administration. Man management. Does it mean he will be good in office? Who knows. But it is impressive
Frankly, I wish he'd been in charge of our EU reset negotiations, rather than Starmer, don't you? Farage has the wit, smarts and balls, he knows when to press and when to walk away, he would have got a seriously superior deal than the flailing, inept Sir Keir Starmer, the butt plug of Brussels
It’s commonly known that Farage falls out with everyone, and his failure to turn up to any of his actual workplaces tells its own story.
As for Farage being in charge of negotiations, no. Farage doesn’t do detail, nuance, compromise, or - in the final analysis - reality, preferring the comfort of deluded rage-baiting to actual material improvement.
Only a half-wit would want Farage anywhere near power or any kind.
Sadly we have many half wits in the country who will vote for him.
Nigel Farage missed the parliamentary debate on the biggest reset to Brexit since the referendum because he is overseas on holiday, the Reform UK leader has said. Following speculation that he was on holiday in France, Farage, who has not been seen in the Commons this week and did not present his GB News show on Monday, released a statement confirming he was away.
Good for him for having a holiday - he sure as shit deserves one.
However, Kemi has definitely made the most of it in his absence.
HOC is in recess next week, the lazy f****r could have gone then. They pretty much get the school holidays plus another month in September/October.
Whatever else he can be called, I don't think lazy is it.
He does f all constituency work. He frequently misses Commons sessions, as he always missed European Parliament sessions. He's pretty lazy.
Links please.
He has yet to hold a constituency surgery. He says he was advised not to for security reasons. This has been denied by the speaker. Now on the face of it Farage's position is not unreasonable as he could easily be the target of violent nutters, however I have a little inside knowledge on the security procedures for MPs surgeries and my goodness they are really hot since the GE. Parliament is rather keen that the murders in Southend and Cheltenham are not repeated.
In the EU (where there was no such concern) he attended only 1 of 42 Fisheries Committee meetings of which he was a member.
He also has the 745 worst voting record in the EU out of 746. The 746 having never voted for some fairly compelling reasons.
Cheltenham?
LD MP attacked and seriously injured in his surgery and his assistant killed.
Ah, I see. I would have thought Jo Cox was more in the memory?
There was also the near fatal attack on Labour MP Stephen Timms, and didn’t his neighbouring MP have to wear a stab vest when out and about.
We should ban stab vests for mps...more byelection betting
I know that’s a joke, but it’s the kind of thing that could get this forum’s owners in trouble.
With that poster, it’s not actually obvious that it *is* a joke.
Farage is a superb campaigner, but he wouldn't be able to implement most of his promises, both through lack of diplomatic and collegiate skills, and economic reality.
One thing he might both want to do, and better be able to do, would be to link Britain to a Trumpite America more fully than any other British politician.
And maybe change the electoral system to PR. That is change it away from the traditional tried and tested British system to one like the EU countries use.
Farage is a superb campaigner, but he wouldn't be able to implement most of his promises, both through lack of diplomatic and collegiate skills, and economic reality.
One thing he might both want to do, and better be able to do, would be to link Britain to a Trumpite America more fully than any other British politician.
Look, most politicians over the last 20 years haven't been able to implement many of their policies, so saying Farage also wouldn't be able to do isn't such a big gotcha.
Nigel Farage missed the parliamentary debate on the biggest reset to Brexit since the referendum because he is overseas on holiday, the Reform UK leader has said. Following speculation that he was on holiday in France, Farage, who has not been seen in the Commons this week and did not present his GB News show on Monday, released a statement confirming he was away.
Good for him for having a holiday - he sure as shit deserves one.
However, Kemi has definitely made the most of it in his absence.
HOC is in recess next week, the lazy f****r could have gone then. They pretty much get the school holidays plus another month in September/October.
Whatever else he can be called, I don't think lazy is it.
He does f all constituency work. He frequently misses Commons sessions, as he always missed European Parliament sessions. He's pretty lazy.
Links please.
He has yet to hold a constituency surgery. He says he was advised not to for security reasons. This has been denied by the speaker. Now on the face of it Farage's position is not unreasonable as he could easily be the target of violent nutters, however I have a little inside knowledge on the security procedures for MPs surgeries and my goodness they are really hot since the GE. Parliament is rather keen that the murders in Southend and Cheltenham are not repeated.
In the EU (where there was no such concern) he attended only 1 of 42 Fisheries Committee meetings of which he was a member.
He also has the 745 worst voting record in the EU out of 746. The 746 having never voted for some fairly compelling reasons.
Cheltenham?
LD MP attacked and seriously injured in his surgery and his assistant killed.
Ah, I see. I would have thought Jo Cox was more in the memory?
There was also the near fatal attack on Labour MP Stephen Timms, and didn’t his neighbouring MP have to wear a stab vest when out and about.
We should ban stab vests for mps...more byelection betting
I know that’s a joke, but it’s the kind of thing that could get this forum’s owners in trouble.
Mp's are happy to put a price on the life of electors, I suspect a price less than the cost of their protection details so I am just advising they live to the same conditions they impose is all.....is that controversial?
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
Erm you are from new zealand you live in new york, our government then is none of your business
Agreed with you on an earlier topic so now it is the turn to disagree with you. I think we are all free to discuss this stuff whether we live here or not.
This forum would be pretty dull if we couldn't discuss Trump and all (bar 3 I think) would come under your heading of 'none of our business) on Trump discussions.
I have a simple creed on this...you are a british citizen and live here most of the year you get to vote....I don't want some arsehole from new york voting on parties that might pass rules that affect me but not them....sorry whats unreasonable about that please explain?
Nothing unreasonable in what you just said. However there is a big difference between giving someone the vote and banning them from discussing the topic.
You objected to @Gardenwalker discussing it. Nobody mentioned voting.
So as in my analogy we should all be free to discuss Trump, but we don't get a vote. So why can't @Gardenwalker discuss UK politics?
Farage was happy to get paid by an organisation he wanted to get rid of . Hardly ever bothered to torn up to vote . His so called patriotism and fighting for British interests entailed attending 1 meeting out of 43 on fisheries . He does bugger all for his constituents and a search party has been launched in Clacton in the hope of sighting him .
Yeah, that'll learn him
Who cares about winning national elections from a standing start with a brand new party, when "@nico67 off of PB" says "you're neglecting your Essex constituency"
I’m sure all these people so concerned about Nigel Farage neglecting his constituency will be voting for different candidate in Clacton at the next GE.
Have those dumbfucks from Led By Donkeys stopped putting up posters in Clacton obsessing about him ?
Farage is a superb campaigner, but he wouldn't be able to implement most of his promises, both through lack of diplomatic and collegiate skills, and economic reality.
One thing he might both want to do, and better be able to do, would be to link Britain to a Trumpite America more fully than any other British politician.
Look, most politicians over the last 20 years haven't been able to implement many of their policies, so saying Farage also wouldn't be able to do isn't such a big gotcha.
A great post earlier from one of the Centrist Dads saying that if Farage did become PM, there would be a backlash against him pretty soon... unlike Boris or Starmer I suppose
Nigel Farage missed the parliamentary debate on the biggest reset to Brexit since the referendum because he is overseas on holiday, the Reform UK leader has said. Following speculation that he was on holiday in France, Farage, who has not been seen in the Commons this week and did not present his GB News show on Monday, released a statement confirming he was away.
Good for him for having a holiday - he sure as shit deserves one.
However, Kemi has definitely made the most of it in his absence.
HOC is in recess next week, the lazy f****r could have gone then. They pretty much get the school holidays plus another month in September/October.
Whatever else he can be called, I don't think lazy is it.
He does f all constituency work. He frequently misses Commons sessions, as he always missed European Parliament sessions. He's pretty lazy.
Links please.
He has yet to hold a constituency surgery. He says he was advised not to for security reasons. This has been denied by the speaker. Now on the face of it Farage's position is not unreasonable as he could easily be the target of violent nutters, however I have a little inside knowledge on the security procedures for MPs surgeries and my goodness they are really hot since the GE. Parliament is rather keen that the murders in Southend and Cheltenham are not repeated.
In the EU (where there was no such concern) he attended only 1 of 42 Fisheries Committee meetings of which he was a member.
He also has the 745 worst voting record in the EU out of 746. The 746 having never voted for some fairly compelling reasons.
Cheltenham?
LD MP attacked and seriously injured in his surgery and his assistant killed.
Ah, I see. I would have thought Jo Cox was more in the memory?
There was also the near fatal attack on Labour MP Stephen Timms, and didn’t his neighbouring MP have to wear a stab vest when out and about.
We should ban stab vests for mps...more byelection betting
I know that’s a joke, but it’s the kind of thing that could get this forum’s owners in trouble.
Mp's are happy to put a price on the life of electors, I suspect a price less than the cost of their protection details so I am just advising they live to the same conditions they impose is all.....is that controversial?
Farage is a superb campaigner, but he wouldn't be able to implement most of his promises, both through lack of diplomatic and collegiate skills, and economic reality.
One thing he might both want to do, and better be able to do, would be to link Britain to a Trumpite America more fully than any other British politician.
Look, most politicians over the last 20 years haven't been able to implement many of their policies, so saying Farage also wouldn't be able to do isn't such a big gotcha.
There’s a world of difference actually between, say Blair and Truss.
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
Erm you are from new zealand you live in new york, our government then is none of your business
Agreed with you on an earlier topic so now it is the turn to disagree with you. I think we are all free to discuss this stuff whether we live here or not.
This forum would be pretty dull if we couldn't discuss Trump and all (bar 3 I think) would come under your heading of 'none of our business) on Trump discussions.
I have a simple creed on this...you are a british citizen and live here most of the year you get to vote....I don't want some arsehole from new york voting on parties that might pass rules that affect me but not them....sorry whats unreasonable about that please explain?
Nothing unreasonable in what you just said. However there is a big difference between giving someone the vote and banning them from discussing the topic.
You objected to @Gardenwalker discussing it. Nobody mentioned voting.
So as in my analogy we should all be free to discuss Trump, but we don't get a vote. So why can't @Gardenwalker discuss UK politics?
He can discuss all he likes as far as I am concerned what pisses me off is he also gets a vote on it
ISA numbers are (Resolution Foundation). General snippets. It's tax relief for wealthy people, and reducing the ceiling to say £5k or £8k would not imo affect ordinary people much.
The % of population maxing out ISA saving is 1.6 million from 50 million (estimate) adults, which is 3%.
The tax relief offered through ISAs is expected to cost the Treasury £6.7 billion in 2023-24, up from £4.9 billion in 2022-23.
In 2020-21, only 7 per cent of ISA holders (1.6 million people) maxed out their annual ISA allowance. Given the relatively small amount already saving £20,000 a year, the new UK ISA is unlikely to shift the dial on aggregate household saving.
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
Erm you are from new zealand you live in new york, our government then is none of your business
Agreed with you on an earlier topic so now it is the turn to disagree with you. I think we are all free to discuss this stuff whether we live here or not.
This forum would be pretty dull if we couldn't discuss Trump and all (bar 3 I think) would come under your heading of 'none of our business) on Trump discussions.
I have a simple creed on this...you are a british citizen and live here most of the year you get to vote....I don't want some arsehole from new york voting on parties that might pass rules that affect me but not them....sorry whats unreasonable about that please explain?
Nothing unreasonable in what you just said. However there is a big difference between giving someone the vote and banning them from discussing the topic.
You objected to @Gardenwalker discussing it. Nobody mentioned voting.
So as in my analogy we should all be free to discuss Trump, but we don't get a vote. So why can't @Gardenwalker discuss UK politics?
He can discuss all he likes as far as I am concerned what pisses me off is he also gets a vote on it
You notice I dont object to any off our other foreign posters on those grounds whether kamki or jim miller
Farage is a superb campaigner, but he wouldn't be able to implement most of his promises, both through lack of diplomatic and collegiate skills, and economic reality.
One thing he might both want to do, and better be able to do, would be to link Britain to a Trumpite America more fully than any other British politician.
Look, most politicians over the last 20 years haven't been able to implement many of their policies, so saying Farage also wouldn't be able to do isn't such a big gotcha.
It is, because he is a sort of last hope of authenticity for some people. They've lost faith in the non-duplicity in all the major parties except his.
Nigel Farage missed the parliamentary debate on the biggest reset to Brexit since the referendum because he is overseas on holiday, the Reform UK leader has said. Following speculation that he was on holiday in France, Farage, who has not been seen in the Commons this week and did not present his GB News show on Monday, released a statement confirming he was away.
Good for him for having a holiday - he sure as shit deserves one.
However, Kemi has definitely made the most of it in his absence.
HOC is in recess next week, the lazy f****r could have gone then. They pretty much get the school holidays plus another month in September/October.
Whatever else he can be called, I don't think lazy is it.
He does f all constituency work. He frequently misses Commons sessions, as he always missed European Parliament sessions. He's pretty lazy.
Farage has now been MP of Clacton for over a year - the constituency opinion pieces you present are very out of date - though I thank you for them.
Nor does the piece about his Commons attendance come to a conclusion on his work rate. It notes that leaders of smaller parties have tended to vote more (and larger parties less), but the leaders of the Greens and the DUP are not leaders of national movements of the scale of Reform.
And the most damning, his MEP attendance rate?
It was a central tenet (and I believe a true one) of euroskepticism that the parliament was a talking shop, as real power lay with the commission. I am not aware that Farage ever attended the European Parliament to do anything except take the piss out of it, and I doubt those who voted for him wanted him to do anything else.
I asked for links because I was genuinely interested in Farage and Clacton - I don't get the impression that the good people of Clacton are rising up in revolt against their absentee squire, so I wonder how he's managing.
My impression of Farage's schedule in general is that it's one of the most punishing in British politics.
He does take on lots of extra work for money, true. He has more outside earnings than any other MP. Maybe he's not lazy, he just needs the right financial motivation.
I think he likes money (and has only fairly recently become a very big earner), as do most of us, but most of all I think he's working his tits off to promote Reform. He was knocking on doors in Runcorn on the day of the election. They won by six votes. It is highly possible that his decision to work on that day won them the election.
Political leader knocks on doors on day of by-election. Truly a Stakhanovite!
The leader whose party finished six votes behind didn't visit the constituency at all.. I suppose that will be thought of as a shrewd move
EDIT I hadn't seen @bondegezou's post actually saying this! Funny, I was always told on here that Starmer was really popular, and Farage was a massive turn off. Depends on the day of the week I suppose
I think people assume their view of someone is on a par with everyone else’s. Farage is certainly marmite. Loved and loathed.
I don’t think we pay enough attention to both positive and negative ratings in polling - and the marmite factor - given they can tell us a lot about likely tactical voting patterns.
I might create another measure: the marmite quotient. Gross approval + gross disapproval - the difference between the two scores. So someone with 50% each approving and disapproving would score 100. Someone with 100% either approving or disapproving would score zero.
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
I don't even know where to begin with this level of weird, mule-headed incomprehension, so... I'm not going to begin
You clearly live in an alternative universe in which Farage is any way a suitable candidate for public office, let alone high office.
He’s a very effective populist campaigner, but he is also a lazy shyster.
OK, I will give you one last chance before I consign you into the bin with @bondegezou and @kinabalu and the rest
What evidence do we have for Farage's admin skills or otherwise? I'd say almost none - until recently - but that's because he's not beem trying for this. He is a campaigning politician, rather than a manager. He knows his own skills, and exploits them superbly
That, surely, is now accepted, even by you and the PB Centrist Dimwits? I think so
In which case, do we have any evidence for him being managerially and administratively skilled? Well, yes, this time we do. Namely: he has personally taken charge of Reform and turned them - in a couple of years- into a nationwide party that can win - WIN - a UK local election, humiliating the Tories and Labour. He's got candidates recruited, vetted, scrutinised, or persuaded them to defect. And you can't say "oh that's not him" because - as you guys insist - he doesn't rely on rivals and colleagues because: the party is him
So if the party is him, it is him that has done this. I see this as a remarkable feat of political administration. Man management. Does it mean he will be good in office? Who knows. But it is impressive
Frankly, I wish he'd been in charge of our EU reset negotiations, rather than Starmer, don't you? Farage has the wit, smarts and balls, he knows when to press and when to walk away, he would have got a seriously superior deal than the flailing, inept Sir Keir Starmer, the butt plug of Brussels
It’s commonly known that Farage falls out with everyone, and his failure to turn up to any of his actual workplaces tells its own story.
As for Farage being in charge of negotiations, no. Farage doesn’t do detail, nuance, compromise, or - in the final analysis - reality, preferring the comfort of deluded rage-baiting to actual material improvement.
Only a half-wit would want Farage anywhere near power or any kind.
Sadly we have many half wits in the country who will vote for him.
Half the population is officially below average intelligence. Some of them post on here.
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
Erm you are from new zealand you live in new york, our government then is none of your business
Agreed with you on an earlier topic so now it is the turn to disagree with you. I think we are all free to discuss this stuff whether we live here or not.
This forum would be pretty dull if we couldn't discuss Trump and all (bar 3 I think) would come under your heading of 'none of our business) on Trump discussions.
I have a simple creed on this...you are a british citizen and live here most of the year you get to vote....I don't want some arsehole from new york voting on parties that might pass rules that affect me but not them....sorry whats unreasonable about that please explain?
Nothing unreasonable in what you just said. However there is a big difference between giving someone the vote and banning them from discussing the topic.
You objected to @Gardenwalker discussing it. Nobody mentioned voting.
So as in my analogy we should all be free to discuss Trump, but we don't get a vote. So why can't @Gardenwalker discuss UK politics?
He can discuss all he likes as far as I am concerned what pisses me off is he also gets a vote on it
OK. That wasn't clear as you didn't mention voting in your original post.
ISA numbers are (Resolution Foundation). General snippets. It's tax relief for wealthy people, and reducing the ceiling to say £5k or £8k would not imo affect ordinary people much.
The % of population maxing out ISA saving is 1.6 million from 50 million (estimate) adults, which is 3%.
The tax relief offered through ISAs is expected to cost the Treasury £6.7 billion in 2023-24, up from £4.9 billion in 2022-23.
In 2020-21, only 7 per cent of ISA holders (1.6 million people) maxed out their annual ISA allowance. Given the relatively small amount already saving £20,000 a year, the new UK ISA is unlikely to shift the dial on aggregate household saving.
A big benefit of ISAs is the reduced admin for shareholders. If we make significant changes would be great if they link the providers and HMRC up to draft complete those sections on self assessment instead.
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
I don't even know where to begin with this level of weird, mule-headed incomprehension, so... I'm not going to begin
You clearly live in an alternative universe in which Farage is any way a suitable candidate for public office, let alone high office.
He’s a very effective populist campaigner, but he is also a lazy shyster.
OK, I will give you one last chance before I consign you into the bin with @bondegezou and @kinabalu and the rest
What evidence do we have for Farage's admin skills or otherwise? I'd say almost none - until recently - but that's because he's not beem trying for this. He is a campaigning politician, rather than a manager. He knows his own skills, and exploits them superbly
That, surely, is now accepted, even by you and the PB Centrist Dimwits? I think so
In which case, do we have any evidence for him being managerially and administratively skilled? Well, yes, this time we do. Namely: he has personally taken charge of Reform and turned them - in a couple of years- into a nationwide party that can win - WIN - a UK local election, humiliating the Tories and Labour. He's got candidates recruited, vetted, scrutinised, or persuaded them to defect. And you can't say "oh that's not him" because - as you guys insist - he doesn't rely on rivals and colleagues because: the party is him
So if the party is him, it is him that has done this. I see this as a remarkable feat of political administration. Man management. Does it mean he will be good in office? Who knows. But it is impressive
Frankly, I wish he'd been in charge of our EU reset negotiations, rather than Starmer, don't you? Farage has the wit, smarts and balls, he knows when to press and when to walk away, he would have got a seriously superior deal than the flailing, inept Sir Keir Starmer, the butt plug of Brussels
It’s commonly known that Farage falls out with everyone, and his failure to turn up to any of his actual workplaces tells its own story.
As for Farage being in charge of negotiations, no. Farage doesn’t do detail, nuance, compromise, or - in the final analysis - reality, preferring the comfort of deluded rage-baiting to actual material improvement.
Only a half-wit would want Farage anywhere near power or any kind.
Sadly we have many half wits in the country who will vote for him.
Half the population is officially below average intelligence. Some of them post on here.
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
I don't even know where to begin with this level of weird, mule-headed incomprehension, so... I'm not going to begin
You clearly live in an alternative universe in which Farage is any way a suitable candidate for public office, let alone high office.
He’s a very effective populist campaigner, but he is also a lazy shyster.
OK, I will give you one last chance before I consign you into the bin with @bondegezou and @kinabalu and the rest
What evidence do we have for Farage's admin skills or otherwise? I'd say almost none - until recently - but that's because he's not beem trying for this. He is a campaigning politician, rather than a manager. He knows his own skills, and exploits them superbly
That, surely, is now accepted, even by you and the PB Centrist Dimwits? I think so
In which case, do we have any evidence for him being managerially and administratively skilled? Well, yes, this time we do. Namely: he has personally taken charge of Reform and turned them - in a couple of years- into a nationwide party that can win - WIN - a UK local election, humiliating the Tories and Labour. He's got candidates recruited, vetted, scrutinised, or persuaded them to defect. And you can't say "oh that's not him" because - as you guys insist - he doesn't rely on rivals and colleagues because: the party is him
So if the party is him, it is him that has done this. I see this as a remarkable feat of political administration. Man management. Does it mean he will be good in office? Who knows. But it is impressive
Frankly, I wish he'd been in charge of our EU reset negotiations, rather than Starmer, don't you? Farage has the wit, smarts and balls, he knows when to press and when to walk away, he would have got a seriously superior deal than the flailing, inept Sir Keir Starmer, the butt plug of Brussels
It’s commonly known that Farage falls out with everyone, and his failure to turn up to any of his actual workplaces tells its own story.
As for Farage being in charge of negotiations, no. Farage doesn’t do detail, nuance, compromise, or - in the final analysis - reality, preferring the comfort of deluded rage-baiting to actual material improvement.
Only a half-wit would want Farage anywhere near power or any kind.
Sadly we have many half wits in the country who will vote for him.
Interfering dynamic here. I made a throwaway comment in a similar vein about Lib Dem voters in the week. Response. Not quite abuse but not far off. How dare you, you awful person. Etc etc.
Yet every day people insult Reform and its voters and tumbleweed……..
Personally I think all a fair game. Clearly some have thinner skin.
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
I don't even know where to begin with this level of weird, mule-headed incomprehension, so... I'm not going to begin
You clearly live in an alternative universe in which Farage is any way a suitable candidate for public office, let alone high office.
He’s a very effective populist campaigner, but he is also a lazy shyster.
OK, I will give you one last chance before I consign you into the bin with @bondegezou and @kinabalu and the rest
What evidence do we have for Farage's admin skills or otherwise? I'd say almost none - until recently - but that's because he's not beem trying for this. He is a campaigning politician, rather than a manager. He knows his own skills, and exploits them superbly
That, surely, is now accepted, even by you and the PB Centrist Dimwits? I think so
In which case, do we have any evidence for him being managerially and administratively skilled? Well, yes, this time we do. Namely: he has personally taken charge of Reform and turned them - in a couple of years- into a nationwide party that can win - WIN - a UK local election, humiliating the Tories and Labour. He's got candidates recruited, vetted, scrutinised, or persuaded them to defect. And you can't say "oh that's not him" because - as you guys insist - he doesn't rely on rivals and colleagues because: the party is him
So if the party is him, it is him that has done this. I see this as a remarkable feat of political administration. Man management. Does it mean he will be good in office? Who knows. But it is impressive
Frankly, I wish he'd been in charge of our EU reset negotiations, rather than Starmer, don't you? Farage has the wit, smarts and balls, he knows when to press and when to walk away, he would have got a seriously superior deal than the flailing, inept Sir Keir Starmer, the butt plug of Brussels
It’s commonly known that Farage falls out with everyone, and his failure to turn up to any of his actual workplaces tells its own story.
As for Farage being in charge of negotiations, no. Farage doesn’t do detail, nuance, compromise, or - in the final analysis - reality, preferring the comfort of deluded rage-baiting to actual material improvement.
Only a half-wit would want Farage anywhere near power or any kind.
Sadly we have many half wits in the country who will vote for him.
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
Erm you are from new zealand you live in new york, our government then is none of your business
Agreed with you on an earlier topic so now it is the turn to disagree with you. I think we are all free to discuss this stuff whether we live here or not.
This forum would be pretty dull if we couldn't discuss Trump and all (bar 3 I think) would come under your heading of 'none of our business) on Trump discussions.
I have a simple creed on this...you are a british citizen and live here most of the year you get to vote....I don't want some arsehole from new york voting on parties that might pass rules that affect me but not them....sorry whats unreasonable about that please explain?
Nothing unreasonable in what you just said. However there is a big difference between giving someone the vote and banning them from discussing the topic.
You objected to @Gardenwalker discussing it. Nobody mentioned voting.
So as in my analogy we should all be free to discuss Trump, but we don't get a vote. So why can't @Gardenwalker discuss UK politics?
He can discuss all he likes as far as I am concerned what pisses me off is he also gets a vote on it
OK. That wasn't clear as you didn't mention voting in your original post.
I dont think anyone should get a vote here unless they are a british citizen and live in the country and yes it might hit the tory vote but who cares
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
I don't even know where to begin with this level of weird, mule-headed incomprehension, so... I'm not going to begin
You clearly live in an alternative universe in which Farage is any way a suitable candidate for public office, let alone high office.
He’s a very effective populist campaigner, but he is also a lazy shyster.
OK, I will give you one last chance before I consign you into the bin with @bondegezou and @kinabalu and the rest
What evidence do we have for Farage's admin skills or otherwise? I'd say almost none - until recently - but that's because he's not beem trying for this. He is a campaigning politician, rather than a manager. He knows his own skills, and exploits them superbly
That, surely, is now accepted, even by you and the PB Centrist Dimwits? I think so
In which case, do we have any evidence for him being managerially and administratively skilled? Well, yes, this time we do. Namely: he has personally taken charge of Reform and turned them - in a couple of years- into a nationwide party that can win - WIN - a UK local election, humiliating the Tories and Labour. He's got candidates recruited, vetted, scrutinised, or persuaded them to defect. And you can't say "oh that's not him" because - as you guys insist - he doesn't rely on rivals and colleagues because: the party is him
So if the party is him, it is him that has done this. I see this as a remarkable feat of political administration. Man management. Does it mean he will be good in office? Who knows. But it is impressive
Frankly, I wish he'd been in charge of our EU reset negotiations, rather than Starmer, don't you? Farage has the wit, smarts and balls, he knows when to press and when to walk away, he would have got a seriously superior deal than the flailing, inept Sir Keir Starmer, the butt plug of Brussels
It’s commonly known that Farage falls out with everyone, and his failure to turn up to any of his actual workplaces tells its own story.
As for Farage being in charge of negotiations, no. Farage doesn’t do detail, nuance, compromise, or - in the final analysis - reality, preferring the comfort of deluded rage-baiting to actual material improvement.
Only a half-wit would want Farage anywhere near power or any kind.
Sadly we have many half wits in the country who will vote for him.
Half the population is officially below average intelligence. Some of them post on here.
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
Erm you are from new zealand you live in new york, our government then is none of your business
Agreed with you on an earlier topic so now it is the turn to disagree with you. I think we are all free to discuss this stuff whether we live here or not.
This forum would be pretty dull if we couldn't discuss Trump and all (bar 3 I think) would come under your heading of 'none of our business) on Trump discussions.
I have a simple creed on this...you are a british citizen and live here most of the year you get to vote....I don't want some arsehole from new york voting on parties that might pass rules that affect me but not them....sorry whats unreasonable about that please explain?
Nothing unreasonable in what you just said. However there is a big difference between giving someone the vote and banning them from discussing the topic.
You objected to @Gardenwalker discussing it. Nobody mentioned voting.
So as in my analogy we should all be free to discuss Trump, but we don't get a vote. So why can't @Gardenwalker discuss UK politics?
He can discuss all he likes as far as I am concerned what pisses me off is he also gets a vote on it
OK. That wasn't clear as you didn't mention voting in your original post.
The poster professes to be enraged to the point of violence in nine posts out of ten, and has the logic and prose style of a ChatGPT hallucination.
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
I don't even know where to begin with this level of weird, mule-headed incomprehension, so... I'm not going to begin
You clearly live in an alternative universe in which Farage is any way a suitable candidate for public office, let alone high office.
He’s a very effective populist campaigner, but he is also a lazy shyster.
OK, I will give you one last chance before I consign you into the bin with @bondegezou and @kinabalu and the rest
What evidence do we have for Farage's admin skills or otherwise? I'd say almost none - until recently - but that's because he's not beem trying for this. He is a campaigning politician, rather than a manager. He knows his own skills, and exploits them superbly
That, surely, is now accepted, even by you and the PB Centrist Dimwits? I think so
In which case, do we have any evidence for him being managerially and administratively skilled? Well, yes, this time we do. Namely: he has personally taken charge of Reform and turned them - in a couple of years- into a nationwide party that can win - WIN - a UK local election, humiliating the Tories and Labour. He's got candidates recruited, vetted, scrutinised, or persuaded them to defect. And you can't say "oh that's not him" because - as you guys insist - he doesn't rely on rivals and colleagues because: the party is him
So if the party is him, it is him that has done this. I see this as a remarkable feat of political administration. Man management. Does it mean he will be good in office? Who knows. But it is impressive
Frankly, I wish he'd been in charge of our EU reset negotiations, rather than Starmer, don't you? Farage has the wit, smarts and balls, he knows when to press and when to walk away, he would have got a seriously superior deal than the flailing, inept Sir Keir Starmer, the butt plug of Brussels
It’s commonly known that Farage falls out with everyone, and his failure to turn up to any of his actual workplaces tells its own story.
As for Farage being in charge of negotiations, no. Farage doesn’t do detail, nuance, compromise, or - in the final analysis - reality, preferring the comfort of deluded rage-baiting to actual material improvement.
Only a half-wit would want Farage anywhere near power or any kind.
Sadly we have many half wits in the country who will vote for him.
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
I don't even know where to begin with this level of weird, mule-headed incomprehension, so... I'm not going to begin
You clearly live in an alternative universe in which Farage is any way a suitable candidate for public office, let alone high office.
He’s a very effective populist campaigner, but he is also a lazy shyster.
OK, I will give you one last chance before I consign you into the bin with @bondegezou and @kinabalu and the rest
What evidence do we have for Farage's admin skills or otherwise? I'd say almost none - until recently - but that's because he's not beem trying for this. He is a campaigning politician, rather than a manager. He knows his own skills, and exploits them superbly
That, surely, is now accepted, even by you and the PB Centrist Dimwits? I think so
In which case, do we have any evidence for him being managerially and administratively skilled? Well, yes, this time we do. Namely: he has personally taken charge of Reform and turned them - in a couple of years- into a nationwide party that can win - WIN - a UK local election, humiliating the Tories and Labour. He's got candidates recruited, vetted, scrutinised, or persuaded them to defect. And you can't say "oh that's not him" because - as you guys insist - he doesn't rely on rivals and colleagues because: the party is him
So if the party is him, it is him that has done this. I see this as a remarkable feat of political administration. Man management. Does it mean he will be good in office? Who knows. But it is impressive
Frankly, I wish he'd been in charge of our EU reset negotiations, rather than Starmer, don't you? Farage has the wit, smarts and balls, he knows when to press and when to walk away, he would have got a seriously superior deal than the flailing, inept Sir Keir Starmer, the butt plug of Brussels
It’s commonly known that Farage falls out with everyone, and his failure to turn up to any of his actual workplaces tells its own story.
As for Farage being in charge of negotiations, no. Farage doesn’t do detail, nuance, compromise, or - in the final analysis - reality, preferring the comfort of deluded rage-baiting to actual material improvement.
Only a half-wit would want Farage anywhere near power or any kind.
Sadly we have many half wits in the country who will vote for him.
Half the population is officially below average intelligence. Some of them post on here.
Nigel Farage missed the parliamentary debate on the biggest reset to Brexit since the referendum because he is overseas on holiday, the Reform UK leader has said. Following speculation that he was on holiday in France, Farage, who has not been seen in the Commons this week and did not present his GB News show on Monday, released a statement confirming he was away.
Good for him for having a holiday - he sure as shit deserves one.
However, Kemi has definitely made the most of it in his absence.
HOC is in recess next week, the lazy f****r could have gone then. They pretty much get the school holidays plus another month in September/October.
Whatever else he can be called, I don't think lazy is it.
He does f all constituency work. He frequently misses Commons sessions, as he always missed European Parliament sessions. He's pretty lazy.
Farage has now been MP of Clacton for over a year - the constituency opinion pieces you present are very out of date - though I thank you for them.
Nor does the piece about his Commons attendance come to a conclusion on his work rate. It notes that leaders of smaller parties have tended to vote more (and larger parties less), but the leaders of the Greens and the DUP are not leaders of national movements of the scale of Reform.
And the most damning, his MEP attendance rate?
It was a central tenet (and I believe a true one) of euroskepticism that the parliament was a talking shop, as real power lay with the commission. I am not aware that Farage ever attended the European Parliament to do anything except take the piss out of it, and I doubt those who voted for him wanted him to do anything else.
I asked for links because I was genuinely interested in Farage and Clacton - I don't get the impression that the good people of Clacton are rising up in revolt against their absentee squire, so I wonder how he's managing.
My impression of Farage's schedule in general is that it's one of the most punishing in British politics.
He does take on lots of extra work for money, true. He has more outside earnings than any other MP. Maybe he's not lazy, he just needs the right financial motivation.
I think he likes money (and has only fairly recently become a very big earner), as do most of us, but most of all I think he's working his tits off to promote Reform. He was knocking on doors in Runcorn on the day of the election. They won by six votes. It is highly possible that his decision to work on that day won them the election.
Political leader knocks on doors on day of by-election. Truly a Stakhanovite!
The leader whose party finished six votes behind didn't visit the constituency at all.. I suppose that will be thought of as a shrewd move
EDIT I hadn't seen @bondegezou's post actually saying this! Funny, I was always told on here that Starmer was really popular, and Farage was a massive turn off. Depends on the day of the week I suppose
I think people assume their view of someone is on a par with everyone else’s. Farage is certainly marmite. Loved and loathed.
I don’t think we pay enough attention to both positive and negative ratings in polling - and the marmite factor - given they can tell us a lot about likely tactical voting patterns.
I might create another measure: the marmite quotient. Gross approval + gross disapproval - the difference between the two scores. So someone with 50% each approving and disapproving would score 100. Someone with 100% either approving or disapproving would score zero.
It’s certainly something to weigh up although could it, in part, be name recognition too. Look,at the rankings for the Green co leaders.
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
Erm you are from new zealand you live in new york, our government then is none of your business
Agreed with you on an earlier topic so now it is the turn to disagree with you. I think we are all free to discuss this stuff whether we live here or not.
This forum would be pretty dull if we couldn't discuss Trump and all (bar 3 I think) would come under your heading of 'none of our business) on Trump discussions.
I have a simple creed on this...you are a british citizen and live here most of the year you get to vote....I don't want some arsehole from new york voting on parties that might pass rules that affect me but not them....sorry whats unreasonable about that please explain?
Nothing unreasonable in what you just said. However there is a big difference between giving someone the vote and banning them from discussing the topic.
You objected to @Gardenwalker discussing it. Nobody mentioned voting.
So as in my analogy we should all be free to discuss Trump, but we don't get a vote. So why can't @Gardenwalker discuss UK politics?
He can discuss all he likes as far as I am concerned what pisses me off is he also gets a vote on it
OK. That wasn't clear as you didn't mention voting in your original post.
The poster professes to be enraged to the point of violence in nine posts out of ten, and has the logic and prose style of a ChatGPT hallucination.
Do stop with the hyperbole most of my posts are reasonable and quote sources, I only post aggresively against hypocrites and idiots so which are you boy?
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
I don't even know where to begin with this level of weird, mule-headed incomprehension, so... I'm not going to begin
You clearly live in an alternative universe in which Farage is any way a suitable candidate for public office, let alone high office.
He’s a very effective populist campaigner, but he is also a lazy shyster.
OK, I will give you one last chance before I consign you into the bin with @bondegezou and @kinabalu and the rest
What evidence do we have for Farage's admin skills or otherwise? I'd say almost none - until recently - but that's because he's not beem trying for this. He is a campaigning politician, rather than a manager. He knows his own skills, and exploits them superbly
That, surely, is now accepted, even by you and the PB Centrist Dimwits? I think so
In which case, do we have any evidence for him being managerially and administratively skilled? Well, yes, this time we do. Namely: he has personally taken charge of Reform and turned them - in a couple of years- into a nationwide party that can win - WIN - a UK local election, humiliating the Tories and Labour. He's got candidates recruited, vetted, scrutinised, or persuaded them to defect. And you can't say "oh that's not him" because - as you guys insist - he doesn't rely on rivals and colleagues because: the party is him
So if the party is him, it is him that has done this. I see this as a remarkable feat of political administration. Man management. Does it mean he will be good in office? Who knows. But it is impressive
Frankly, I wish he'd been in charge of our EU reset negotiations, rather than Starmer, don't you? Farage has the wit, smarts and balls, he knows when to press and when to walk away, he would have got a seriously superior deal than the flailing, inept Sir Keir Starmer, the butt plug of Brussels
It’s commonly known that Farage falls out with everyone, and his failure to turn up to any of his actual workplaces tells its own story.
As for Farage being in charge of negotiations, no. Farage doesn’t do detail, nuance, compromise, or - in the final analysis - reality, preferring the comfort of deluded rage-baiting to actual material improvement.
Only a half-wit would want Farage anywhere near power or any kind.
Sadly we have many half wits in the country who will vote for him.
Half the population is officially below average intelligence. Some of them post on here.
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
Erm you are from new zealand you live in new york, our government then is none of your business
Agreed with you on an earlier topic so now it is the turn to disagree with you. I think we are all free to discuss this stuff whether we live here or not.
This forum would be pretty dull if we couldn't discuss Trump and all (bar 3 I think) would come under your heading of 'none of our business) on Trump discussions.
I have a simple creed on this...you are a british citizen and live here most of the year you get to vote....I don't want some arsehole from new york voting on parties that might pass rules that affect me but not them....sorry whats unreasonable about that please explain?
Nothing unreasonable in what you just said. However there is a big difference between giving someone the vote and banning them from discussing the topic.
You objected to @Gardenwalker discussing it. Nobody mentioned voting.
So as in my analogy we should all be free to discuss Trump, but we don't get a vote. So why can't @Gardenwalker discuss UK politics?
He can discuss all he likes as far as I am concerned what pisses me off is he also gets a vote on it
OK. That wasn't clear as you didn't mention voting in your original post.
I dont think anyone should get a vote here unless they are a british citizen and live in the country and yes it might hit the tory vote but who cares
My kids are in their 20s and will often be travelling or on secondment abroad for more than half the year. Should they lose the vote?
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
Erm you are from new zealand you live in new york, our government then is none of your business
Agreed with you on an earlier topic so now it is the turn to disagree with you. I think we are all free to discuss this stuff whether we live here or not.
This forum would be pretty dull if we couldn't discuss Trump and all (bar 3 I think) would come under your heading of 'none of our business) on Trump discussions.
I have a simple creed on this...you are a british citizen and live here most of the year you get to vote....I don't want some arsehole from new york voting on parties that might pass rules that affect me but not them....sorry whats unreasonable about that please explain?
Nothing unreasonable in what you just said. However there is a big difference between giving someone the vote and banning them from discussing the topic.
You objected to @Gardenwalker discussing it. Nobody mentioned voting.
So as in my analogy we should all be free to discuss Trump, but we don't get a vote. So why can't @Gardenwalker discuss UK politics?
He can discuss all he likes as far as I am concerned what pisses me off is he also gets a vote on it
OK. That wasn't clear as you didn't mention voting in your original post.
I dont think anyone should get a vote here unless they are a british citizen and live in the country and yes it might hit the tory vote but who cares
@Pagan2 It is unlike you, but I don't think that is a particularly contentious* opinion. I certainly didn't agree with the extension of voting rights introduced by the last Government for people living overseas. It was too long in the first place. It should have been shortened not increased.
PS As you know I have no objection to contentious opinions, particularly from yourself.
If I moved to a foreign country but could still vote here, personally I would abdjure it, voting for things that are not going to affect me because I don't live in the country is sheer hypocrisy
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
Erm you are from new zealand you live in new york, our government then is none of your business
Agreed with you on an earlier topic so now it is the turn to disagree with you. I think we are all free to discuss this stuff whether we live here or not.
This forum would be pretty dull if we couldn't discuss Trump and all (bar 3 I think) would come under your heading of 'none of our business) on Trump discussions.
I have a simple creed on this...you are a british citizen and live here most of the year you get to vote....I don't want some arsehole from new york voting on parties that might pass rules that affect me but not them....sorry whats unreasonable about that please explain?
Nothing unreasonable in what you just said. However there is a big difference between giving someone the vote and banning them from discussing the topic.
You objected to @Gardenwalker discussing it. Nobody mentioned voting.
So as in my analogy we should all be free to discuss Trump, but we don't get a vote. So why can't @Gardenwalker discuss UK politics?
He can discuss all he likes as far as I am concerned what pisses me off is he also gets a vote on it
OK. That wasn't clear as you didn't mention voting in your original post.
I dont think anyone should get a vote here unless they are a british citizen and live in the country and yes it might hit the tory vote but who cares
My kids are in their 20s and will often be travelling or on secondment abroad for more than half the year. Should they lose the vote?
I think if they are moving there for more than a year yes they should, when they move back they can have their vote back
Farage is a superb campaigner, but he wouldn't be able to implement most of his promises, both through lack of diplomatic and collegiate skills, and economic reality.
One thing he might both want to do, and better be able to do, would be to link Britain to a Trumpite America more fully than any other British politician.
Look, most politicians over the last 20 years haven't been able to implement many of their policies, so saying Farage also wouldn't be able to do isn't such a big gotcha.
A great post earlier from one of the Centrist Dads saying that if Farage did become PM, there would be a backlash against him pretty soon... unlike Boris or Starmer I suppose
Precisely. Funny how they think this is such a strong argument.
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
Erm you are from new zealand you live in new york, our government then is none of your business
Agreed with you on an earlier topic so now it is the turn to disagree with you. I think we are all free to discuss this stuff whether we live here or not.
This forum would be pretty dull if we couldn't discuss Trump and all (bar 3 I think) would come under your heading of 'none of our business) on Trump discussions.
I have a simple creed on this...you are a british citizen and live here most of the year you get to vote....I don't want some arsehole from new york voting on parties that might pass rules that affect me but not them....sorry whats unreasonable about that please explain?
Nothing unreasonable in what you just said. However there is a big difference between giving someone the vote and banning them from discussing the topic.
You objected to @Gardenwalker discussing it. Nobody mentioned voting.
So as in my analogy we should all be free to discuss Trump, but we don't get a vote. So why can't @Gardenwalker discuss UK politics?
He can discuss all he likes as far as I am concerned what pisses me off is he also gets a vote on it
OK. That wasn't clear as you didn't mention voting in your original post.
I dont think anyone should get a vote here unless they are a british citizen and live in the country and yes it might hit the tory vote but who cares
My kids are in their 20s and will often be travelling or on secondment abroad for more than half the year. Should they lose the vote?
I think if they are moving there for more than a year yes they should, when they move back they can have their vote back
Try to be consistent. You said
"I have a simple creed on this...you are a british citizen and live here most of the year you get to vote.."
which is a different test, more like the tax residency test.
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
I don't even know where to begin with this level of weird, mule-headed incomprehension, so... I'm not going to begin
You clearly live in an alternative universe in which Farage is any way a suitable candidate for public office, let alone high office.
He’s a very effective populist campaigner, but he is also a lazy shyster.
OK, I will give you one last chance before I consign you into the bin with @bondegezou and @kinabalu and the rest
What evidence do we have for Farage's admin skills or otherwise? I'd say almost none - until recently - but that's because he's not beem trying for this. He is a campaigning politician, rather than a manager. He knows his own skills, and exploits them superbly
That, surely, is now accepted, even by you and the PB Centrist Dimwits? I think so
In which case, do we have any evidence for him being managerially and administratively skilled? Well, yes, this time we do. Namely: he has personally taken charge of Reform and turned them - in a couple of years- into a nationwide party that can win - WIN - a UK local election, humiliating the Tories and Labour. He's got candidates recruited, vetted, scrutinised, or persuaded them to defect. And you can't say "oh that's not him" because - as you guys insist - he doesn't rely on rivals and colleagues because: the party is him
So if the party is him, it is him that has done this. I see this as a remarkable feat of political administration. Man management. Does it mean he will be good in office? Who knows. But it is impressive
Frankly, I wish he'd been in charge of our EU reset negotiations, rather than Starmer, don't you? Farage has the wit, smarts and balls, he knows when to press and when to walk away, he would have got a seriously superior deal than the flailing, inept Sir Keir Starmer, the butt plug of Brussels
It’s commonly known that Farage falls out with everyone, and his failure to turn up to any of his actual workplaces tells its own story.
As for Farage being in charge of negotiations, no. Farage doesn’t do detail, nuance, compromise, or - in the final analysis - reality, preferring the comfort of deluded rage-baiting to actual material improvement.
Only a half-wit would want Farage anywhere near power or any kind.
Sadly we have many half wits in the country who will vote for him.
Half the population is officially below average intelligence. Some of them post on here.
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
Erm you are from new zealand you live in new york, our government then is none of your business
Agreed with you on an earlier topic so now it is the turn to disagree with you. I think we are all free to discuss this stuff whether we live here or not.
This forum would be pretty dull if we couldn't discuss Trump and all (bar 3 I think) would come under your heading of 'none of our business) on Trump discussions.
I have a simple creed on this...you are a british citizen and live here most of the year you get to vote....I don't want some arsehole from new york voting on parties that might pass rules that affect me but not them....sorry whats unreasonable about that please explain?
Nothing unreasonable in what you just said. However there is a big difference between giving someone the vote and banning them from discussing the topic.
You objected to @Gardenwalker discussing it. Nobody mentioned voting.
So as in my analogy we should all be free to discuss Trump, but we don't get a vote. So why can't @Gardenwalker discuss UK politics?
He can discuss all he likes as far as I am concerned what pisses me off is he also gets a vote on it
OK. That wasn't clear as you didn't mention voting in your original post.
I dont think anyone should get a vote here unless they are a british citizen and live in the country and yes it might hit the tory vote but who cares
My kids are in their 20s and will often be travelling or on secondment abroad for more than half the year. Should they lose the vote?
I think if they are moving there for more than a year yes they should, when they move back they can have their vote back
Try to be consistent. You said
"I have a simple creed on this...you are a british citizen and live here most of the year you get to vote.."
which is a different test, more like the tax residency test.
No the tax residency test is different.....you can be tax resident but not a british citizen hell we even let some french do it
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
I don't even know where to begin with this level of weird, mule-headed incomprehension, so... I'm not going to begin
You clearly live in an alternative universe in which Farage is any way a suitable candidate for public office, let alone high office.
He’s a very effective populist campaigner, but he is also a lazy shyster.
OK, I will give you one last chance before I consign you into the bin with @bondegezou and @kinabalu and the rest
What evidence do we have for Farage's admin skills or otherwise? I'd say almost none - until recently - but that's because he's not beem trying for this. He is a campaigning politician, rather than a manager. He knows his own skills, and exploits them superbly
That, surely, is now accepted, even by you and the PB Centrist Dimwits? I think so
In which case, do we have any evidence for him being managerially and administratively skilled? Well, yes, this time we do. Namely: he has personally taken charge of Reform and turned them - in a couple of years- into a nationwide party that can win - WIN - a UK local election, humiliating the Tories and Labour. He's got candidates recruited, vetted, scrutinised, or persuaded them to defect. And you can't say "oh that's not him" because - as you guys insist - he doesn't rely on rivals and colleagues because: the party is him
So if the party is him, it is him that has done this. I see this as a remarkable feat of political administration. Man management. Does it mean he will be good in office? Who knows. But it is impressive
Frankly, I wish he'd been in charge of our EU reset negotiations, rather than Starmer, don't you? Farage has the wit, smarts and balls, he knows when to press and when to walk away, he would have got a seriously superior deal than the flailing, inept Sir Keir Starmer, the butt plug of Brussels
It’s commonly known that Farage falls out with everyone, and his failure to turn up to any of his actual workplaces tells its own story.
As for Farage being in charge of negotiations, no. Farage doesn’t do detail, nuance, compromise, or - in the final analysis - reality, preferring the comfort of deluded rage-baiting to actual material improvement.
Only a half-wit would want Farage anywhere near power or any kind.
Sadly we have many half wits in the country who will vote for him.
Half the population is officially below average intelligence. Some of them post on here.
They have overindulged financially in previous years:
Premier League clubs cannot lose more than £105m over three years but the figure is reduced by £22m for every season a club spends outside the top flight.
Leicester's latest accounts showed a loss of £19.4m for the period ending 30 June, 2024.
In their 2022-23 accounts Leicester confirmed an £89.7m loss while in the 12 months up to May 2022 they lost a club record £92.5m.
It's quite a big breach of the rules.
Given that they went down the chute again, maybe a points deduction of 6-8 points in the case they return to the Premiership in the next 2 years. Just as non or underage drivers can get points on a "Shadow Licence" that only exists on the DVLA computer.
An exclusion from promotion for 3 years might be more appropriate, but that would require the Premiership and the EFL to work together.
Perhaps they could be forced to play Rugby League, or Cricket, until 2030 .
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
Erm you are from new zealand you live in new york, our government then is none of your business
Agreed with you on an earlier topic so now it is the turn to disagree with you. I think we are all free to discuss this stuff whether we live here or not.
This forum would be pretty dull if we couldn't discuss Trump and all (bar 3 I think) would come under your heading of 'none of our business) on Trump discussions.
I have a simple creed on this...you are a british citizen and live here most of the year you get to vote....I don't want some arsehole from new york voting on parties that might pass rules that affect me but not them....sorry whats unreasonable about that please explain?
Nothing unreasonable in what you just said. However there is a big difference between giving someone the vote and banning them from discussing the topic.
You objected to @Gardenwalker discussing it. Nobody mentioned voting.
So as in my analogy we should all be free to discuss Trump, but we don't get a vote. So why can't @Gardenwalker discuss UK politics?
He can discuss all he likes as far as I am concerned what pisses me off is he also gets a vote on it
OK. That wasn't clear as you didn't mention voting in your original post.
I dont think anyone should get a vote here unless they are a british citizen and live in the country and yes it might hit the tory vote but who cares
My kids are in their 20s and will often be travelling or on secondment abroad for more than half the year. Should they lose the vote?
I think if they are moving there for more than a year yes they should, when they move back they can have their vote back
Try to be consistent. You said
"I have a simple creed on this...you are a british citizen and live here most of the year you get to vote.."
which is a different test, more like the tax residency test.
No the tax residency test is different.....you can be tax resident but not a british citizen hell we even let some french do it
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
Erm you are from new zealand you live in new york, our government then is none of your business
Agreed with you on an earlier topic so now it is the turn to disagree with you. I think we are all free to discuss this stuff whether we live here or not.
This forum would be pretty dull if we couldn't discuss Trump and all (bar 3 I think) would come under your heading of 'none of our business) on Trump discussions.
I have a simple creed on this...you are a british citizen and live here most of the year you get to vote....I don't want some arsehole from new york voting on parties that might pass rules that affect me but not them....sorry whats unreasonable about that please explain?
Nothing unreasonable in what you just said. However there is a big difference between giving someone the vote and banning them from discussing the topic.
You objected to @Gardenwalker discussing it. Nobody mentioned voting.
So as in my analogy we should all be free to discuss Trump, but we don't get a vote. So why can't @Gardenwalker discuss UK politics?
He can discuss all he likes as far as I am concerned what pisses me off is he also gets a vote on it
OK. That wasn't clear as you didn't mention voting in your original post.
I dont think anyone should get a vote here unless they are a british citizen and live in the country and yes it might hit the tory vote but who cares
My kids are in their 20s and will often be travelling or on secondment abroad for more than half the year. Should they lose the vote?
I think if they are moving there for more than a year yes they should, when they move back they can have their vote back
Try to be consistent. You said
"I have a simple creed on this...you are a british citizen and live here most of the year you get to vote.."
which is a different test, more like the tax residency test.
No the tax residency test is different.....you can be tax resident but not a british citizen hell we even let some french do it
I give up, it's like arguing with fog...
Well I thouht I had been quite specific maybe if you cant argue against it then its your arguments are steaming bull crap.
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
Erm you are from new zealand you live in new york, our government then is none of your business
Agreed with you on an earlier topic so now it is the turn to disagree with you. I think we are all free to discuss this stuff whether we live here or not.
This forum would be pretty dull if we couldn't discuss Trump and all (bar 3 I think) would come under your heading of 'none of our business) on Trump discussions.
I have a simple creed on this...you are a british citizen and live here most of the year you get to vote....I don't want some arsehole from new york voting on parties that might pass rules that affect me but not them....sorry whats unreasonable about that please explain?
Nothing unreasonable in what you just said. However there is a big difference between giving someone the vote and banning them from discussing the topic.
You objected to @Gardenwalker discussing it. Nobody mentioned voting.
So as in my analogy we should all be free to discuss Trump, but we don't get a vote. So why can't @Gardenwalker discuss UK politics?
He can discuss all he likes as far as I am concerned what pisses me off is he also gets a vote on it
OK. That wasn't clear as you didn't mention voting in your original post.
I dont think anyone should get a vote here unless they are a british citizen and live in the country and yes it might hit the tory vote but who cares
My kids are in their 20s and will often be travelling or on secondment abroad for more than half the year. Should they lose the vote?
I think if they are moving there for more than a year yes they should, when they move back they can have their vote back
Try to be consistent. You said
"I have a simple creed on this...you are a british citizen and live here most of the year you get to vote.."
which is a different test, more like the tax residency test.
No the tax residency test is different.....you can be tax resident but not a british citizen hell we even let some french do it
I give up, it's like arguing with fog...
Well I thouht I had been quite specific maybe if you cant argue against it then its your arguments are steaming bull crap.
Simple rules
You have to be a british citizen You have to be normally resident in the uk You have a lee way of a year outside the uk
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
I don't even know where to begin with this level of weird, mule-headed incomprehension, so... I'm not going to begin
You clearly live in an alternative universe in which Farage is any way a suitable candidate for public office, let alone high office.
He’s a very effective populist campaigner, but he is also a lazy shyster.
OK, I will give you one last chance before I consign you into the bin with @bondegezou and @kinabalu and the rest
What evidence do we have for Farage's admin skills or otherwise? I'd say almost none - until recently - but that's because he's not beem trying for this. He is a campaigning politician, rather than a manager. He knows his own skills, and exploits them superbly
That, surely, is now accepted, even by you and the PB Centrist Dimwits? I think so
In which case, do we have any evidence for him being managerially and administratively skilled? Well, yes, this time we do. Namely: he has personally taken charge of Reform and turned them - in a couple of years- into a nationwide party that can win - WIN - a UK local election, humiliating the Tories and Labour. He's got candidates recruited, vetted, scrutinised, or persuaded them to defect. And you can't say "oh that's not him" because - as you guys insist - he doesn't rely on rivals and colleagues because: the party is him
So if the party is him, it is him that has done this. I see this as a remarkable feat of political administration. Man management. Does it mean he will be good in office? Who knows. But it is impressive
Frankly, I wish he'd been in charge of our EU reset negotiations, rather than Starmer, don't you? Farage has the wit, smarts and balls, he knows when to press and when to walk away, he would have got a seriously superior deal than the flailing, inept Sir Keir Starmer, the butt plug of Brussels
It’s commonly known that Farage falls out with everyone, and his failure to turn up to any of his actual workplaces tells its own story.
As for Farage being in charge of negotiations, no. Farage doesn’t do detail, nuance, compromise, or - in the final analysis - reality, preferring the comfort of deluded rage-baiting to actual material improvement.
Only a half-wit would want Farage anywhere near power or any kind.
Sadly we have many half wits in the country who will vote for him.
Half the population is officially below average intelligence. Some of them post on here.
That doesn't automatically follow.
Political nerdiness might be the domain of those with a higher IQ.
Marmite factors based on me applying my formula to the latest yougov:
Farage: 64 Starmer: 46 Badenoch: 32 Davey: 52
The oddity is Davey. Does he really divide the field that much? The answer is yes, in the mathematical sense that he has a much closer balance between positive and negative than the others among those who express an opinion.
So I may need to make some further adjustments to bring out a truer marmite flavour. Probably by doing the deduction as a percentage (gap / total who express opinion) rather than just absolute gap.
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
Erm you are from new zealand you live in new york, our government then is none of your business
Agreed with you on an earlier topic so now it is the turn to disagree with you. I think we are all free to discuss this stuff whether we live here or not.
This forum would be pretty dull if we couldn't discuss Trump and all (bar 3 I think) would come under your heading of 'none of our business) on Trump discussions.
I have a simple creed on this...you are a british citizen and live here most of the year you get to vote....I don't want some arsehole from new york voting on parties that might pass rules that affect me but not them....sorry whats unreasonable about that please explain?
Nothing unreasonable in what you just said. However there is a big difference between giving someone the vote and banning them from discussing the topic.
You objected to @Gardenwalker discussing it. Nobody mentioned voting.
So as in my analogy we should all be free to discuss Trump, but we don't get a vote. So why can't @Gardenwalker discuss UK politics?
He can discuss all he likes as far as I am concerned what pisses me off is he also gets a vote on it
OK. That wasn't clear as you didn't mention voting in your original post.
I dont think anyone should get a vote here unless they are a british citizen and live in the country and yes it might hit the tory vote but who cares
My kids are in their 20s and will often be travelling or on secondment abroad for more than half the year. Should they lose the vote?
I think if they are moving there for more than a year yes they should, when they move back they can have their vote back
Try to be consistent. You said
"I have a simple creed on this...you are a british citizen and live here most of the year you get to vote.."
which is a different test, more like the tax residency test.
No the tax residency test is different.....you can be tax resident but not a british citizen hell we even let some french do it
I give up, it's like arguing with fog...
Well I thouht I had been quite specific maybe if you cant argue against it then its your arguments are steaming bull crap.
Simple rules
You have to be a british citizen You have to be normally resident in the uk You have a lee way of a year outside the uk
Where is this fog you refer to?
Anyone care to point out where I was inconsistent and produced this fog mr ranter claimed? Seems consistent to me
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
Erm you are from new zealand you live in new york, our government then is none of your business
Agreed with you on an earlier topic so now it is the turn to disagree with you. I think we are all free to discuss this stuff whether we live here or not.
This forum would be pretty dull if we couldn't discuss Trump and all (bar 3 I think) would come under your heading of 'none of our business) on Trump discussions.
I have a simple creed on this...you are a british citizen and live here most of the year you get to vote....I don't want some arsehole from new york voting on parties that might pass rules that affect me but not them....sorry whats unreasonable about that please explain?
Nothing unreasonable in what you just said. However there is a big difference between giving someone the vote and banning them from discussing the topic.
You objected to @Gardenwalker discussing it. Nobody mentioned voting.
So as in my analogy we should all be free to discuss Trump, but we don't get a vote. So why can't @Gardenwalker discuss UK politics?
He can discuss all he likes as far as I am concerned what pisses me off is he also gets a vote on it
OK. That wasn't clear as you didn't mention voting in your original post.
I dont think anyone should get a vote here unless they are a british citizen and live in the country and yes it might hit the tory vote but who cares
My kids are in their 20s and will often be travelling or on secondment abroad for more than half the year. Should they lose the vote?
I think if they are moving there for more than a year yes they should, when they move back they can have their vote back
Try to be consistent. You said
"I have a simple creed on this...you are a british citizen and live here most of the year you get to vote.."
which is a different test, more like the tax residency test.
No the tax residency test is different.....you can be tax resident but not a british citizen hell we even let some french do it
I give up, it's like arguing with fog...
Well I thouht I had been quite specific maybe if you cant argue against it then its your arguments are steaming bull crap.
Simple rules
You have to be a british citizen You have to be normally resident in the uk You have a lee way of a year outside the uk
Where is this fog you refer to?
Five years seems reasonable to me, given the length of a Parliament.
Eg when I was a child we were posted abroad by my dad's employer on a three year contract. Should that entail loss of the vote, when it was a temporary visa and every intention to return to the UK during the forthcoming Parliament?
And what about soldiers posted abroad by the military, to serve the country? Do they get an exemption?
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
Erm you are from new zealand you live in new york, our government then is none of your business
Agreed with you on an earlier topic so now it is the turn to disagree with you. I think we are all free to discuss this stuff whether we live here or not.
This forum would be pretty dull if we couldn't discuss Trump and all (bar 3 I think) would come under your heading of 'none of our business) on Trump discussions.
I have a simple creed on this...you are a british citizen and live here most of the year you get to vote....I don't want some arsehole from new york voting on parties that might pass rules that affect me but not them....sorry whats unreasonable about that please explain?
Nothing unreasonable in what you just said. However there is a big difference between giving someone the vote and banning them from discussing the topic.
You objected to @Gardenwalker discussing it. Nobody mentioned voting.
So as in my analogy we should all be free to discuss Trump, but we don't get a vote. So why can't @Gardenwalker discuss UK politics?
He can discuss all he likes as far as I am concerned what pisses me off is he also gets a vote on it
OK. That wasn't clear as you didn't mention voting in your original post.
I dont think anyone should get a vote here unless they are a british citizen and live in the country and yes it might hit the tory vote but who cares
My kids are in their 20s and will often be travelling or on secondment abroad for more than half the year. Should they lose the vote?
I think if they are moving there for more than a year yes they should, when they move back they can have their vote back
Try to be consistent. You said
"I have a simple creed on this...you are a british citizen and live here most of the year you get to vote.."
which is a different test, more like the tax residency test.
No the tax residency test is different.....you can be tax resident but not a british citizen hell we even let some french do it
I give up, it's like arguing with fog...
Well I thouht I had been quite specific maybe if you cant argue against it then its your arguments are steaming bull crap.
Simple rules
You have to be a british citizen You have to be normally resident in the uk You have a lee way of a year outside the uk
Where is this fog you refer to?
Five years seems reasonable to me, given the length of a Parliament.
Eg when I was a child we were posted abroad by my dad's employer on a three year contract. Should that entail loss of the vote, when it was a temporary visa and every intention to return to the UK during the forthcoming Parliament?
And what about soldiers posted abroad by the military, to serve the country? Do they get an exemption?
Shrugs exemptions like armed forces can be sorted.....I just didnt think I was being inconsistent which is what was claimed
ISA numbers are (Resolution Foundation). General snippets. It's tax relief for wealthy people, and reducing the ceiling to say £5k or £8k would not imo affect ordinary people much.
The % of population maxing out ISA saving is 1.6 million from 50 million (estimate) adults, which is 3%.
The tax relief offered through ISAs is expected to cost the Treasury £6.7 billion in 2023-24, up from £4.9 billion in 2022-23.
In 2020-21, only 7 per cent of ISA holders (1.6 million people) maxed out their annual ISA allowance. Given the relatively small amount already saving £20,000 a year, the new UK ISA is unlikely to shift the dial on aggregate household saving.
I’d be interested in how they calculate those figures though. The fact is that I suspect if you reduce the ISA allowance you just get people increasing their contributions to workplace pensions/SIPPs in lieu. And if you remove the tax relief on pension savings that money then finds another way to be invested in a tax efficient way. If you’re putting 20k into an ISA a year, you are probably going to be savvy enough to find a new tax efficient home for it.
I think you can certainly advance a very decent argument as to why the allowance shouldnt go up any more. And I think you can also mount a good argument that the apportionment of the allowance needs looking at with a view to encouraging greater investment (though try persuading people that anything over £4K needs investing in the stock market after Trump’s tariffs fun and games - to those unfamiliar with investing, that will feel very uncomfortable). A better cutoff feels like 10k to me. But I suspect cutting the allowance causes more political harm (Reeves is after my savings now!) then it raises in tax. But I’m not an economist.
Marmite factors based on me applying my formula to the latest yougov:
Farage: 64 Starmer: 46 Badenoch: 32 Davey: 52
The oddity is Davey. Does he really divide the field that much? The answer is yes, in the mathematical sense that he has a much closer balance between positive and negative than the others among those who express an opinion.
So I may need to make some further adjustments to bring out a truer marmite flavour. Probably by doing the deduction as a percentage (gap / total who express opinion) rather than just absolute gap.
So Badenoch is by far the least marmite. She’s unpopular with almost everyone.
An alternative marmite index would be (unpopularity with most opposed party supporters + popularity with own supporters) / 2.
Farage: 84 Starmer: 70.5 Badenoch: 60 Davey: 56.5
But that in turn needs I think to be adjusted to take into account relative size of parties. One for tomorrow.
It is funny how people often have a strong opinion on politicians (rather than their views). Many on here make rude comments on politicians they disagree with. I don't agree with the views on 3 of them (and a few of the views of the 4th), but I don't dislike any of them.
I can't say that of everyone though. I hate Trump as a person with a passion because I think he is a nasty piece of work, but that is the exception rather than the rule with me.
ISA numbers are (Resolution Foundation). General snippets. It's tax relief for wealthy people, and reducing the ceiling to say £5k or £8k would not imo affect ordinary people much.
The % of population maxing out ISA saving is 1.6 million from 50 million (estimate) adults, which is 3%.
The tax relief offered through ISAs is expected to cost the Treasury £6.7 billion in 2023-24, up from £4.9 billion in 2022-23.
In 2020-21, only 7 per cent of ISA holders (1.6 million people) maxed out their annual ISA allowance. Given the relatively small amount already saving £20,000 a year, the new UK ISA is unlikely to shift the dial on aggregate household saving.
I’d be interested in how they calculate those figures though. The fact is that I suspect if you reduce the ISA allowance you just get people increasing their contributions to workplace pensions/SIPPs in lieu. And if you remove the tax relief on pension savings that money then finds another way to be invested in a tax efficient way. If you’re putting 20k into an ISA a year, you are probably going to be savvy enough to find a new tax efficient home for it.
I think you can certainly advance a very decent argument as to why the allowance shouldnt go up any more. And I think you can also mount a good argument that the apportionment of the allowance needs looking at with a view to encouraging greater investment (though try persuading people that anything over £4K needs investing in the stock market after Trump’s tariffs fun and games - to those unfamiliar with investing, that will feel very uncomfortable). A better cutoff feels like 10k to me. But I suspect cutting it causes more political harm (Reeves is after my savings now!) then it raises. But I’m not an economist.
All tax raise options cause more political harm than they raise in tax. Spending cuts the same in reverse. However we need to pick some!
ISA numbers are (Resolution Foundation). General snippets. It's tax relief for wealthy people, and reducing the ceiling to say £5k or £8k would not imo affect ordinary people much.
The % of population maxing out ISA saving is 1.6 million from 50 million (estimate) adults, which is 3%.
The tax relief offered through ISAs is expected to cost the Treasury £6.7 billion in 2023-24, up from £4.9 billion in 2022-23.
In 2020-21, only 7 per cent of ISA holders (1.6 million people) maxed out their annual ISA allowance. Given the relatively small amount already saving £20,000 a year, the new UK ISA is unlikely to shift the dial on aggregate household saving.
I’d be interested in how they calculate those figures though. The fact is that I suspect if you reduce the ISA allowance you just get people increasing their contributions to workplace pensions/SIPPs in lieu. And if you remove the tax relief on pension savings that money then finds another way to be invested in a tax efficient way. If you’re putting 20k into an ISA a year, you are probably going to be savvy enough to find a new tax efficient home for it.
I think you can certainly advance a very decent argument as to why the allowance shouldnt go up any more. And I think you can also mount a good argument that the apportionment of the allowance needs looking at with a view to encouraging greater investment (though try persuading people that anything over £4K needs investing in the stock market after Trump’s tariffs fun and games - to those unfamiliar with investing, that will feel very uncomfortable). A better cutoff feels like 10k to me. But I suspect cutting it causes more political harm (Reeves is after my savings now!) then it raises. But I’m not an economist.
All tax raise options cause more political harm than they raise in tax. Spending cuts the same in reverse. However we need to pick some!
Of course. But if you’re genuinely interested in raising money, I’m not sure savings taxation is the way to go.
On Farage, the problematic Reform UK Councillors coming out in public don't see to be reducing. It's a lot for a smallish group of councillors in the scale of things.
Farage will have a problem with the number associated with groupuscules such as Britain First, Patriotic Alternative and so on, when he has always said (not very credibly) that his practice has always been to hoick them out with no tolerance.
He was quite tame with General Election candidates on that front. There are bad apples emerging in the barrel, some in senior positions.
They need to work out how they will deal with those taking extremist and simplistic positions ... eg "BAN ISLAM !!!" (Jimmi Lee, New Broadland) or denying the existence of clinical depression (Joseph Boam, Deputy Leader Leics CC).
And some who are more amusing; the Red Dwarf escapee (Mr Rimmer) who is now Leader of the Ref UK Wiltshire Council Group turns out to have been an ardent Liz Truss supporter.
Marmite factors based on me applying my formula to the latest yougov:
Farage: 64 Starmer: 46 Badenoch: 32 Davey: 52
The oddity is Davey. Does he really divide the field that much? The answer is yes, in the mathematical sense that he has a much closer balance between positive and negative than the others among those who express an opinion.
So I may need to make some further adjustments to bring out a truer marmite flavour. Probably by doing the deduction as a percentage (gap / total who express opinion) rather than just absolute gap.
So Badenoch is by far the least marmite. She’s unpopular with almost everyone.
An alternative marmite index would be (unpopularity with most opposed party supporters + popularity with own supporters) / 2.
Farage: 84 Starmer: 70.5 Badenoch: 60 Davey: 56.5
But that in turn needs I think to be adjusted to take into account relative size of parties. One for tomorrow.
It is funny how people often have a strong opinion on politicians (rather than their views). Many on here make rude comments on politicians they disagree with. I don't agree with the views on 3 of them (and a few of the views of the 4th), but I don't dislike any of them.
I can't say that of everyone though. I hate Trump as a person with a passion because I think he is a nasty piece of work, but that is the exception rather than the rule with me.
I can wholly respect someone who thinks the cure to all Britain's ills is yogic flying, even it I disagree with them.
I can't respect anyone who professes to be governing on behalf of the electorate but whose actions show them to be governing against the interests of that electorate and in the interests of corporations.
I don't hate them. But I would like them to be defeated at the ballot box and never elected again.
All I can offer on Cornwall is Harts Ice Cream parlour in St Ives...
Not everyone gets affected the same its ok
Hmmm makes me wonder...the feeling I get when my feet back on cornish soil is I belong to the land, the land belongs to me (not in the sense of owning it). Maybe there are two types of people in the world....those tied to a place and those not. I am not claiming either is better
Marmite factors based on me applying my formula to the latest yougov:
Farage: 64 Starmer: 46 Badenoch: 32 Davey: 52
The oddity is Davey. Does he really divide the field that much? The answer is yes, in the mathematical sense that he has a much closer balance between positive and negative than the others among those who express an opinion.
So I may need to make some further adjustments to bring out a truer marmite flavour. Probably by doing the deduction as a percentage (gap / total who express opinion) rather than just absolute gap.
So Badenoch is by far the least marmite. She’s unpopular with almost everyone.
An alternative marmite index would be (unpopularity with most opposed party supporters + popularity with own supporters) / 2.
Farage: 84 Starmer: 70.5 Badenoch: 60 Davey: 56.5
But that in turn needs I think to be adjusted to take into account relative size of parties. One for tomorrow.
It is funny how people often have a strong opinion on politicians (rather than their views). Many on here make rude comments on politicians they disagree with. I don't agree with the views on 3 of them (and a few of the views of the 4th), but I don't dislike any of them.
I can't say that of everyone though. I hate Trump as a person with a passion because I think he is a nasty piece of work, but that is the exception rather than the rule with me.
I can wholly respect someone who thinks the cure to all Britain's ills is yogic flying, even it I disagree with them.
I can't respect anyone who professes to be governing on behalf of the electorate but whose actions show them to be governing against the interests of that electorate and in the interests of corporations.
I don't hate them. But I would like them to be defeated at the ballot box and never elected again.
You've been lucky then, although Boris wasn't defeated at the ballot box as he ducked standing in his byelection, the good people of Norfolk sent Truss packing
ISA numbers are (Resolution Foundation). General snippets. It's tax relief for wealthy people, and reducing the ceiling to say £5k or £8k would not imo affect ordinary people much.
The % of population maxing out ISA saving is 1.6 million from 50 million (estimate) adults, which is 3%.
The tax relief offered through ISAs is expected to cost the Treasury £6.7 billion in 2023-24, up from £4.9 billion in 2022-23.
In 2020-21, only 7 per cent of ISA holders (1.6 million people) maxed out their annual ISA allowance. Given the relatively small amount already saving £20,000 a year, the new UK ISA is unlikely to shift the dial on aggregate household saving.
I’d be interested in how they calculate those figures though. The fact is that I suspect if you reduce the ISA allowance you just get people increasing their contributions to workplace pensions/SIPPs in lieu. And if you remove the tax relief on pension savings that money then finds another way to be invested in a tax efficient way. If you’re putting 20k into an ISA a year, you are probably going to be savvy enough to find a new tax efficient home for it.
I think you can certainly advance a very decent argument as to why the allowance shouldnt go up any more. And I think you can also mount a good argument that the apportionment of the allowance needs looking at with a view to encouraging greater investment (though try persuading people that anything over £4K needs investing in the stock market after Trump’s tariffs fun and games - to those unfamiliar with investing, that will feel very uncomfortable). A better cutoff feels like 10k to me. But I suspect cutting it causes more political harm (Reeves is after my savings now!) then it raises. But I’m not an economist.
That's why I always try and include links. This is the Resolution Foundation, who are generally reliable.
Their data source cited is HMRC, so I think the data is OK. I'd say that 10k would be a reasonable cut off point for comms purposes; it still feels big. My gut feel is that that would recover a big chunk of the money spent on this tax relief.
"HMRC, Individual Savings Account (ISAs) Statistics, June 2023."
ISA numbers are (Resolution Foundation). General snippets. It's tax relief for wealthy people, and reducing the ceiling to say £5k or £8k would not imo affect ordinary people much.
The % of population maxing out ISA saving is 1.6 million from 50 million (estimate) adults, which is 3%.
The tax relief offered through ISAs is expected to cost the Treasury £6.7 billion in 2023-24, up from £4.9 billion in 2022-23.
In 2020-21, only 7 per cent of ISA holders (1.6 million people) maxed out their annual ISA allowance. Given the relatively small amount already saving £20,000 a year, the new UK ISA is unlikely to shift the dial on aggregate household saving.
I’d be interested in how they calculate those figures though. The fact is that I suspect if you reduce the ISA allowance you just get people increasing their contributions to workplace pensions/SIPPs in lieu. And if you remove the tax relief on pension savings that money then finds another way to be invested in a tax efficient way. If you’re putting 20k into an ISA a year, you are probably going to be savvy enough to find a new tax efficient home for it.
I think you can certainly advance a very decent argument as to why the allowance shouldnt go up any more. And I think you can also mount a good argument that the apportionment of the allowance needs looking at with a view to encouraging greater investment (though try persuading people that anything over £4K needs investing in the stock market after Trump’s tariffs fun and games - to those unfamiliar with investing, that will feel very uncomfortable). A better cutoff feels like 10k to me. But I suspect cutting the allowance causes more political harm (Reeves is after my savings now!) then it raises in tax. But I’m not an economist.
I think accountancy advice is to max out pension contributions before ISA, more tax efficient. So people making max ISA contributions have probably already made their max pension contribution.
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
I don't even know where to begin with this level of weird, mule-headed incomprehension, so... I'm not going to begin
You clearly live in an alternative universe in which Farage is any way a suitable candidate for public office, let alone high office.
He’s a very effective populist campaigner, but he is also a lazy shyster.
OK, I will give you one last chance before I consign you into the bin with @bondegezou and @kinabalu and the rest
What evidence do we have for Farage's admin skills or otherwise? I'd say almost none - until recently - but that's because he's not beem trying for this. He is a campaigning politician, rather than a manager. He knows his own skills, and exploits them superbly
That, surely, is now accepted, even by you and the PB Centrist Dimwits? I think so
In which case, do we have any evidence for him being managerially and administratively skilled? Well, yes, this time we do. Namely: he has personally taken charge of Reform and turned them - in a couple of years- into a nationwide party that can win - WIN - a UK local election, humiliating the Tories and Labour. He's got candidates recruited, vetted, scrutinised, or persuaded them to defect. And you can't say "oh that's not him" because - as you guys insist - he doesn't rely on rivals and colleagues because: the party is him
So if the party is him, it is him that has done this. I see this as a remarkable feat of political administration. Man management. Does it mean he will be good in office? Who knows. But it is impressive
Frankly, I wish he'd been in charge of our EU reset negotiations, rather than Starmer, don't you? Farage has the wit, smarts and balls, he knows when to press and when to walk away, he would have got a seriously superior deal than the flailing, inept Sir Keir Starmer, the butt plug of Brussels
It’s commonly known that Farage falls out with everyone, and his failure to turn up to any of his actual workplaces tells its own story.
As for Farage being in charge of negotiations, no. Farage doesn’t do detail, nuance, compromise, or - in the final analysis - reality, preferring the comfort of deluded rage-baiting to actual material improvement.
Only a half-wit would want Farage anywhere near power or any kind.
Sadly we have many half wits in the country who will vote for him.
Half the population is officially below average intelligence. Some of them post on here.
That doesn't automatically follow.
Political nerdiness might be the domain of those with a higher IQ.
Which might explain much.
My understanding was UKIP/Brexit party MEPs were very diligent with their admin... well expenses anyway
The many faces of Sir Keir. More recently, we’ve had tough, resolute, car-crushing Sir Keir. Now we’ve got package holiday rep Sir Keir, getting us to the beaches sooner. Wherever will his tweets lead us next?
ISA numbers are (Resolution Foundation). General snippets. It's tax relief for wealthy people, and reducing the ceiling to say £5k or £8k would not imo affect ordinary people much.
The % of population maxing out ISA saving is 1.6 million from 50 million (estimate) adults, which is 3%.
The tax relief offered through ISAs is expected to cost the Treasury £6.7 billion in 2023-24, up from £4.9 billion in 2022-23.
In 2020-21, only 7 per cent of ISA holders (1.6 million people) maxed out their annual ISA allowance. Given the relatively small amount already saving £20,000 a year, the new UK ISA is unlikely to shift the dial on aggregate household saving.
I’d be interested in how they calculate those figures though. The fact is that I suspect if you reduce the ISA allowance you just get people increasing their contributions to workplace pensions/SIPPs in lieu. And if you remove the tax relief on pension savings that money then finds another way to be invested in a tax efficient way. If you’re putting 20k into an ISA a year, you are probably going to be savvy enough to find a new tax efficient home for it.
I think you can certainly advance a very decent argument as to why the allowance shouldnt go up any more. And I think you can also mount a good argument that the apportionment of the allowance needs looking at with a view to encouraging greater investment (though try persuading people that anything over £4K needs investing in the stock market after Trump’s tariffs fun and games - to those unfamiliar with investing, that will feel very uncomfortable). A better cutoff feels like 10k to me. But I suspect cutting it causes more political harm (Reeves is after my savings now!) then it raises. But I’m not an economist.
That's why I always try and include links. This is the Resolution Foundation, who are generally reliable.
Their data source cited is HMRC, so I think the data is OK. I'd say that 10k would be a reasonable cut off point for comms purposes; it still feels big. My gut feel is that that would recover a big chunk of the money spent on this tax relief.
"HMRC, Individual Savings Account (ISAs) Statistics, June 2023."
Newsnight's Nick Watt: many Tories now in panic mode.
Are there "many" Tories left?
Reformers and One Nation Liberal Democrats are on the march.
The BBC are pushing the narratives that the EU deal is unpopular, which probably becomes a self fulfilling prophecy and that Kemi is toast. Another self fulfilling prophecy.
Meanwhile June Mummery is interviewed by the BBC as a member of the public and not the Reform fishing spokesperson.
Anyway it smells very Reformy and Brexity on here this evening, not unlike rotting fish in fact. Good night.
Marmite factors based on me applying my formula to the latest yougov:
Farage: 64 Starmer: 46 Badenoch: 32 Davey: 52
The oddity is Davey. Does he really divide the field that much? The answer is yes, in the mathematical sense that he has a much closer balance between positive and negative than the others among those who express an opinion.
So I may need to make some further adjustments to bring out a truer marmite flavour. Probably by doing the deduction as a percentage (gap / total who express opinion) rather than just absolute gap.
So Badenoch is by far the least marmite. She’s unpopular with almost everyone.
An alternative marmite index would be (unpopularity with most opposed party supporters + popularity with own supporters) / 2.
Farage: 84 Starmer: 70.5 Badenoch: 60 Davey: 56.5
But that in turn needs I think to be adjusted to take into account relative size of parties. One for tomorrow.
It is funny how people often have a strong opinion on politicians (rather than their views). Many on here make rude comments on politicians they disagree with. I don't agree with the views on 3 of them (and a few of the views of the 4th), but I don't dislike any of them.
I can't say that of everyone though. I hate Trump as a person with a passion because I think he is a nasty piece of work, but that is the exception rather than the rule with me.
I can wholly respect someone who thinks the cure to all Britain's ills is yogic flying, even it I disagree with them.
I can't respect anyone who professes to be governing on behalf of the electorate but whose actions show them to be governing against the interests of that electorate and in the interests of corporations.
I don't hate them. But I would like them to be defeated at the ballot box and never elected again.
You've been lucky then, although Boris wasn't defeated at the ballot box as he ducked standing in his byelection, the good people of Norfolk sent Truss packing
A fasting moving low regulation growth economy with abundant supply and high social mobility of the sort Truss wished to create isn't in the interests of corporations.
Lessons will be learned, Boris was 98% at fault, scientists and modellers were amazing, never again, right sorted, next. I have £1 million for that and will have saved you £159 million.
ISA numbers are (Resolution Foundation). General snippets. It's tax relief for wealthy people, and reducing the ceiling to say £5k or £8k would not imo affect ordinary people much.
The % of population maxing out ISA saving is 1.6 million from 50 million (estimate) adults, which is 3%.
The tax relief offered through ISAs is expected to cost the Treasury £6.7 billion in 2023-24, up from £4.9 billion in 2022-23.
In 2020-21, only 7 per cent of ISA holders (1.6 million people) maxed out their annual ISA allowance. Given the relatively small amount already saving £20,000 a year, the new UK ISA is unlikely to shift the dial on aggregate household saving.
I’d be interested in how they calculate those figures though. The fact is that I suspect if you reduce the ISA allowance you just get people increasing their contributions to workplace pensions/SIPPs in lieu. And if you remove the tax relief on pension savings that money then finds another way to be invested in a tax efficient way. If you’re putting 20k into an ISA a year, you are probably going to be savvy enough to find a new tax efficient home for it.
I think you can certainly advance a very decent argument as to why the allowance shouldnt go up any more. And I think you can also mount a good argument that the apportionment of the allowance needs looking at with a view to encouraging greater investment (though try persuading people that anything over £4K needs investing in the stock market after Trump’s tariffs fun and games - to those unfamiliar with investing, that will feel very uncomfortable). A better cutoff feels like 10k to me. But I suspect cutting the allowance causes more political harm (Reeves is after my savings now!) then it raises in tax. But I’m not an economist.
I don't think most people even know what the numbers mean on their pension pot - if they read them at all. Never mind fretting about ISA's. Even as a relatively 'engaged' person I look at my annual pension figures and think 'whatever'.
Along with most folk - I guess I don't have 20k to even think about - never mind think about it in terms of an ISA. 4k is about 1-2 months of a lot of peoples earnings - which is about (as I remember) the most that people can imagine lasting before their savings run out.
ISA numbers are (Resolution Foundation). General snippets. It's tax relief for wealthy people, and reducing the ceiling to say £5k or £8k would not imo affect ordinary people much.
The % of population maxing out ISA saving is 1.6 million from 50 million (estimate) adults, which is 3%.
The tax relief offered through ISAs is expected to cost the Treasury £6.7 billion in 2023-24, up from £4.9 billion in 2022-23.
In 2020-21, only 7 per cent of ISA holders (1.6 million people) maxed out their annual ISA allowance. Given the relatively small amount already saving £20,000 a year, the new UK ISA is unlikely to shift the dial on aggregate household saving.
I’d be interested in how they calculate those figures though. The fact is that I suspect if you reduce the ISA allowance you just get people increasing their contributions to workplace pensions/SIPPs in lieu. And if you remove the tax relief on pension savings that money then finds another way to be invested in a tax efficient way. If you’re putting 20k into an ISA a year, you are probably going to be savvy enough to find a new tax efficient home for it.
I think you can certainly advance a very decent argument as to why the allowance shouldnt go up any more. And I think you can also mount a good argument that the apportionment of the allowance needs looking at with a view to encouraging greater investment (though try persuading people that anything over £4K needs investing in the stock market after Trump’s tariffs fun and games - to those unfamiliar with investing, that will feel very uncomfortable). A better cutoff feels like 10k to me. But I suspect cutting the allowance causes more political harm (Reeves is after my savings now!) then it raises in tax. But I’m not an economist.
I think accountancy advice is to max out pension contributions before ISA, more tax efficient. So people making max ISA contributions have probably already made their max pension contribution.
That will surely be a very tiny minority though - £60k pensions allowance plus £20k ISA is a huge amount to save. I suspect most people do spread it out a bit (likely not maxing either, but if any, I think more likely to max the ISA than the pension) - partly because the attraction of an ISA saving is that for most types it’s more readily accessible in case you need to get at it. But I am going off supposition here. And I should say that those maxing an ISA are still in an incredibly small minority themselves, which has already been pointed out.
Lessons will be learned, Boris was 98% at fault, scientists and modellers were amazing, never again, right sorted, next. I have £1 million for that and will have saved you £159 million.
The real money is to be earned in making sure that lessons aren't learned. Or talked about. Or - god forfend - implemented.
The Chicago Sun-Tribune, which used to be the local paper of record, has printed a books round-up which appears to be almost entirely made up by AI. Fake books, fake reviews.
And upon examination, made-up AI content appears throughout the paper.
The first would be more convincing had the critic not needed to be corrected himself. Trump was reaching for Monroe Doctrine, not document (and not Munro has the subtitle had it).
The second has Trump apparently change his mind halfway through "down payment" so ends up with "downposit".
Perhaps a bigger issue, as one commenter suggests, is that Trump speaks of deposits and construction like a property developer who thinks ‘dome’ means a physical dome rather than being a metaphor.
But yes, it is a pattern previously ignored in favour of attacking Biden's senior moments.
And I should declare an interest as one who has forecast Starmer's retirement on the basis of similar verbal slips.
Farage is a superb campaigner, but he wouldn't be able to implement most of his promises, both through lack of diplomatic and collegiate skills, and economic reality.
One thing he might both want to do, and better be able to do, would be to link Britain to a Trumpite America more fully than any other British politician.
ISA numbers are (Resolution Foundation). General snippets. It's tax relief for wealthy people, and reducing the ceiling to say £5k or £8k would not imo affect ordinary people much.
The % of population maxing out ISA saving is 1.6 million from 50 million (estimate) adults, which is 3%.
The tax relief offered through ISAs is expected to cost the Treasury £6.7 billion in 2023-24, up from £4.9 billion in 2022-23.
In 2020-21, only 7 per cent of ISA holders (1.6 million people) maxed out their annual ISA allowance. Given the relatively small amount already saving £20,000 a year, the new UK ISA is unlikely to shift the dial on aggregate household saving.
Looking at the percentage of savers maxing out their ISAs is probably not very useful because most people do not earn enough and many of those who do have large spending commitments at least until late middle age.
Rather, the question should be – what is the policy aim that underpins ISAs?
The ISA limit is roughly at the level of mortgage repayments or private school fees for a couple of children. The rationale was presumably to encourage families newly free of such spending as they enter their late 40s or 50s to save some money for their old age rather than blowing it all on holidays in the Maldives.
And it also made the most boring viewing imaginable, especially compared to the Post Office inquiry.
It is admittedly some weeks since I looked in but both inquiries seemed mainly concerned with tittle tattle about which minister said what, when and to whom, rather than being a serious effort to make the country more resilient to the next pandemic or prevent the next ‘computer says no’ mass miscarriage of justice. Strengthening systems should be the aim, rather than assigning blame to individuals who, however culpable, have already moved on.
Only absolute morons regard Farage as either lazy or dim or "strolling"
His record speaks for itself. He has now transfomed UK politics TWICE and built a brand new party - sufficient to terrify the Establishment - TWICE
He has a good argument for being the oustanding British political talent of the 21st century, more effective than Boris, more impactful than Blair, and more successful than Salmond
Er, you do realize there’s a difference between “lazy” and “effective”.
All the evidence we have is that Farage is completely uninterested and indeed useless at any kind of management.
A Farage government would resemble the current Trump clown-show.
Jeez. I thought you were being sarcastic
You're smarter than this??! Or, I thought you were
Are you seriously suggesting Farage has any administrative inclination or aptitude whatsoever?
He’s been through more parties than Lee Anderson’s had hot dinners.
I think it's a category error to appraise him in that way. And I imagined a smart guy like you would realise this
Apparently not
He is asking to be considered as Prime Minister of the UK, so yes I am going to look at his actual administrative competence.
Like Johnson (and Trump), he couldn’t run a bath.
I don't even know where to begin with this level of weird, mule-headed incomprehension, so... I'm not going to begin
You clearly live in an alternative universe in which Farage is any way a suitable candidate for public office, let alone high office.
He’s a very effective populist campaigner, but he is also a lazy shyster.
OK, I will give you one last chance before I consign you into the bin with @bondegezou and @kinabalu and the rest
What evidence do we have for Farage's admin skills or otherwise? I'd say almost none - until recently - but that's because he's not beem trying for this. He is a campaigning politician, rather than a manager. He knows his own skills, and exploits them superbly
That, surely, is now accepted, even by you and the PB Centrist Dimwits? I think so
In which case, do we have any evidence for him being managerially and administratively skilled? Well, yes, this time we do. Namely: he has personally taken charge of Reform and turned them - in a couple of years- into a nationwide party that can win - WIN - a UK local election, humiliating the Tories and Labour. He's got candidates recruited, vetted, scrutinised, or persuaded them to defect. And you can't say "oh that's not him" because - as you guys insist - he doesn't rely on rivals and colleagues because: the party is him
So if the party is him, it is him that has done this. I see this as a remarkable feat of political administration. Man management. Does it mean he will be good in office? Who knows. But it is impressive
Frankly, I wish he'd been in charge of our EU reset negotiations, rather than Starmer, don't you? Farage has the wit, smarts and balls, he knows when to press and when to walk away, he would have got a seriously superior deal than the flailing, inept Sir Keir Starmer, the butt plug of Brussels
It’s commonly known that Farage falls out with everyone, and his failure to turn up to any of his actual workplaces tells its own story.
As for Farage being in charge of negotiations, no. Farage doesn’t do detail, nuance, compromise, or - in the final analysis - reality, preferring the comfort of deluded rage-baiting to actual material improvement.
Only a half-wit would want Farage anywhere near power or any kind.
Sadly we have many half wits in the country who will vote for him.
Half the population is officially below average intelligence. Some of them post on here.
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You objected to @Gardenwalker discussing it. Nobody mentioned voting.
So as in my analogy we should all be free to discuss Trump, but we don't get a vote. So why can't @Gardenwalker discuss UK politics?
Have those dumbfucks from Led By Donkeys stopped putting up posters in Clacton obsessing about him ?
Farage would be sub-Truss.
The % of population maxing out ISA saving is 1.6 million from 50 million (estimate) adults, which is 3%.
The tax relief offered through ISAs is expected to cost the Treasury £6.7 billion in 2023-24, up from £4.9 billion in 2022-23.
In 2020-21, only 7 per cent of ISA holders (1.6 million people) maxed out their annual ISA allowance. Given the relatively small amount already saving £20,000 a year, the new UK ISA is unlikely to shift the dial on aggregate household saving.
More here:https://www.resolutionfoundation.org/publications/ineffective-savings-accounts/
I might create another measure: the marmite quotient. Gross approval + gross disapproval - the difference between the two scores. So someone with 50% each approving and disapproving would score 100. Someone with 100% either approving or disapproving would score zero.
Yet every day people insult Reform and its voters and tumbleweed……..
Personally I think all a fair game. Clearly some have thinner skin.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cnv113m0n4qo
PS As you know I have no objection to contentious opinions, particularly from yourself.
"I have a simple creed on this...you are a british citizen and live here most of the year you get to vote.."
which is a different test, more like the tax residency test.
As I was singing on Sunday.
Premier League clubs cannot lose more than £105m over three years but the figure is reduced by £22m for every season a club spends outside the top flight.
Leicester's latest accounts showed a loss of £19.4m for the period ending 30 June, 2024.
In their 2022-23 accounts Leicester confirmed an £89.7m loss while in the 12 months up to May 2022 they lost a club record £92.5m.
It's quite a big breach of the rules.
Given that they went down the chute again, maybe a points deduction of 6-8 points in the case they return to the Premiership in the next 2 years. Just as non or underage drivers can get points on a "Shadow Licence" that only exists on the DVLA computer.
An exclusion from promotion for 3 years might be more appropriate, but that would require the Premiership and the EFL to work together.
Perhaps they could be forced to play Rugby League, or Cricket, until 2030
You have to be a british citizen
You have to be normally resident in the uk
You have a lee way of a year outside the uk
Where is this fog you refer to?
Political nerdiness might be the domain of those with a higher IQ.
Which might explain much.
Farage: 64
Starmer: 46
Badenoch: 32
Davey: 52
The oddity is Davey. Does he really divide the field that much? The answer is yes, in the mathematical sense that he has a much closer balance between positive and negative than the others among those who express an opinion.
So I may need to make some further adjustments to bring out a truer marmite flavour. Probably by doing the deduction as a percentage (gap / total who express opinion) rather than just absolute gap.
That would give:
Farage: 91 express an opinion - ((59-32)/91x100) = 61.3
Starmer: 42
Badenoch: 16
Davey: 47
So Badenoch is by far the least marmite. She’s unpopular with almost everyone.
An alternative marmite index would be (unpopularity with most opposed party supporters + popularity with own supporters) / 2.
Farage: 84
Starmer: 70.5
Badenoch: 60
Davey: 56.5
But that in turn needs I think to be adjusted to take into account relative size of parties. One for tomorrow.
Eg when I was a child we were posted abroad by my dad's employer on a three year contract. Should that entail loss of the vote, when it was a temporary visa and every intention to return to the UK during the forthcoming Parliament?
And what about soldiers posted abroad by the military, to serve the country? Do they get an exemption?
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#pbfreespeech
I think you can certainly advance a very decent argument as to why the allowance shouldnt go up any more. And I think you can also mount a good argument that the apportionment of the allowance needs looking at with a view to encouraging greater investment (though try persuading people that anything over £4K needs investing in the stock market after Trump’s tariffs fun and games - to those unfamiliar with investing, that will feel very uncomfortable). A better cutoff feels like 10k to me. But I suspect cutting the allowance causes more political harm (Reeves is after my savings now!) then it raises in tax. But I’m not an economist.
I can't say that of everyone though. I hate Trump as a person with a passion because I think he is a nasty piece of work, but that is the exception rather than the rule with me.
@BristOliver
I checked, and the cost of the COVID Inquiry is now over 160 million pounds, including just over 90 million in lawyers
https://x.com/BristOliver/status/1924895002661929203
Farage will have a problem with the number associated with groupuscules such as Britain First, Patriotic Alternative and so on, when he has always said (not very credibly) that his practice has always been to hoick them out with no tolerance.
He was quite tame with General Election candidates on that front. There are bad apples emerging in the barrel, some in senior positions.
They need to work out how they will deal with those taking extremist and simplistic positions ... eg "BAN ISLAM !!!" (Jimmi Lee, New Broadland) or denying the existence of clinical depression (Joseph Boam, Deputy Leader Leics CC).
And some who are more amusing; the Red Dwarf escapee (Mr Rimmer) who is now Leader of the Ref UK Wiltshire Council Group turns out to have been an ardent Liz Truss supporter.
I can't respect anyone who professes to be governing on behalf of the electorate but whose actions show them to be governing against the interests of that electorate and in the interests of corporations.
I don't hate them. But I would like them to be defeated at the ballot box and never elected again.
This deal doesn’t kick in until October, apparently
You know how it goes: all you want to do is start your holiday, but you get off the plane to never-ending queues at passport control.
My deal with the EU means more Brits will be able to sail through the e-Gates instead.
Getting you to the beach sooner.
https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/1924826305398206969?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
Their data source cited is HMRC, so I think the data is OK. I'd say that 10k would be a reasonable cut off point for comms purposes; it still feels big. My gut feel is that that would recover a big chunk of the money spent on this tax relief.
"HMRC, Individual Savings Account (ISAs) Statistics, June 2023."
well expenses anyway
Reformers and One Nation Liberal Democrats are on the march.
The BBC are pushing the narratives that the EU deal is unpopular, which probably becomes a self fulfilling prophecy and that Kemi is toast. Another self fulfilling prophecy.
Meanwhile June Mummery is interviewed by the BBC as a member of the public and not the Reform fishing spokesperson.
Anyway it smells very Reformy and Brexity on here this evening, not unlike rotting fish in fact. Good night.
Along with most folk - I guess I don't have 20k to even think about - never mind think about it in terms of an ISA. 4k is about 1-2 months of a lot of peoples earnings - which is about (as I remember) the most that people can imagine lasting before their savings run out.
BBC News - Woman jailed for taking fraudulent citizen tests
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdxkkke1pzeo
And upon examination, made-up AI content appears throughout the paper.
Welcome to the future, folks.
The second has Trump apparently change his mind halfway through "down payment" so ends up with "downposit".
Perhaps a bigger issue, as one commenter suggests, is that Trump speaks of deposits and construction like a property developer who thinks ‘dome’ means a physical dome rather than being a metaphor.
But yes, it is a pattern previously ignored in favour of attacking Biden's senior moments.
And I should declare an interest as one who has forecast Starmer's retirement on the basis of similar verbal slips.
Rather, the question should be – what is the policy aim that underpins ISAs?
The ISA limit is roughly at the level of mortgage repayments or private school fees for a couple of children. The rationale was presumably to encourage families newly free of such spending as they enter their late 40s or 50s to save some money for their old age rather than blowing it all on holidays in the Maldives.
Bloody trans...
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