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  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,771
    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?


    I hesitate to say you need to get out more, but perhaps get out different. You have missed out the whole of: Lincolnshire (have you never been to Stamford?), Cumberland and Westmorland, Yorkshire, Edinburgh, Norfolk and almost all of Suffolk, Sussex, Northumberland, the entire of the Scottish side of the borders, Wiltshire and Doset, Northamptonshire. And Yorkshire.

    Apart from that you are on the right lines.
    I did say I was being provocative

    However, you also forget I have travelled the entire world, pretty much. So I can compare multiple places in a way 99% of PBers cannot. Half of you barely go over the Channel

    Britain, as a place to live, is falling behind quite badly, in terms of quality of life, beauty of surroundings, urban architecture

    I'm a patriot. I wish this wasn't true. But it is

    The UK has always been a crap place to live if you like nice weather. However we made up for that with quite handsome cities, free speech, a high trust society, social homogeneity, low crime, political stability, notably high incomes, lush green countryside, and clean bracing coastlines etc

    One by one we have lost and are losing all of these, which makes the UK, steadily, much less attractive

    Alright, alright. But apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,069
    Iceland are on doing Yah Yah Ding Dong
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,069

    Iceland are on doing Yah Yah Ding Dong

    Hang on, it SOUNDS like Yah Yah Ding Dong in the chorus
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,984
    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?


    I hesitate to say you need to get out more, but perhaps get out different. You have missed out the whole of: Lincolnshire (have you never been to Stamford?), Cumberland and Westmorland, Yorkshire, Edinburgh, Norfolk and almost all of Suffolk, Sussex, Northumberland, the entire of the Scottish side of the borders, Wiltshire and Doset, Northamptonshire. And Yorkshire.

    Apart from that you are on the right lines.
    I did say I was being provocative

    However, you also forget I have travelled the entire world, pretty much. So I can compare multiple places in a way 99% of PBers cannot. Half of you barely go over the Channel

    Britain, as a place to live, is falling behind quite badly, in terms of quality of life, beauty of surroundings, urban architecture

    I'm a patriot. I wish this wasn't true. But it is

    The UK has always been a crap place to live if you like nice weather. However we made up for that with quite handsome cities, free speech, a high trust society, social homogeneity, low crime, political stability, notably high incomes, lush green countryside, and clean bracing coastlines etc

    One by one we have lost and are losing all of these, which makes the UK, steadily, much less attractive

    I've noticed the scuzziness of my town worsening over the last 5-10 years.

    Lots of Turkish/Albanian barbers all over the place, lots of carers from overseas (usually sub-saharan Africa), some people with serious addiction and mental problems walking round, and a noticeable number of hijabs, which were once non-existent. And, in general, young men (in particular) in their twenties being noticeably fatter with bad beards and really shit tattoos.

    This is a market town in rural Hampshire.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,624
    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?


    I hesitate to say you need to get out more, but perhaps get out different. You have missed out the whole of: Lincolnshire (have you never been to Stamford?), Cumberland and Westmorland, Yorkshire, Edinburgh, Norfolk and almost all of Suffolk, Sussex, Northumberland, the entire of the Scottish side of the borders, Wiltshire and Doset, Northamptonshire. And Yorkshire.

    Apart from that you are on the right lines.
    I did say I was being provocative

    However, you also forget I have travelled the entire world, pretty much. So I can compare multiple places in a way 99% of PBers cannot. Half of you barely go over the Channel

    Britain, as a place to live, is falling behind quite badly, in terms of quality of life, beauty of surroundings, urban architecture

    I'm a patriot. I wish this wasn't true. But it is

    The UK has always been a crap place to live if you like nice weather. However we made up for that with quite handsome cities, free speech, a high trust society, social homogeneity, low crime, political stability, notably high incomes, lush green countryside, and clean bracing coastlines etc

    One by one we have lost and are losing all of these, which makes the UK, steadily, much less attractive

    If Farage wins does that mean 'we're a shithole and we don't care' becomes the new anthem of British patriots? Before he imposes mass taxes on all foreign travel and flights so everyone bar the super rich has to holiday in Blackpool and Bognor anyway!
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,162

    It is very courageous to be dissing both Sheffield and Eurovision this evening.

    Just saying.

    Be fair to @Leon - this is the gayest night of his week and he’s wearing *those* sparkly hot pants. It’s distract him…
    Why on earth would you want to be fair to Leon :smile: ?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,336

    I thought Remember Monday were pretty good

    A title that says all that needs to be said about our goldfish culture. By Saturday its a definite stretch. By next Monday they will be completely forgotten.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,069
    DavidL said:

    I thought Remember Monday were pretty good

    A title that says all that needs to be said about our goldfish culture. By Saturday its a definite stretch. By next Monday they will be completely forgotten.
    My son has just told me he’s already forgotten it
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,626

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?


    I hesitate to say you need to get out more, but perhaps get out different. You have missed out the whole of: Lincolnshire (have you never been to Stamford?), Cumberland and Westmorland, Yorkshire, Edinburgh, Norfolk and almost all of Suffolk, Sussex, Northumberland, the entire of the Scottish side of the borders, Wiltshire and Doset, Northamptonshire. And Yorkshire.

    Apart from that you are on the right lines.
    I did say I was being provocative

    However, you also forget I have travelled the entire world, pretty much. So I can compare multiple places in a way 99% of PBers cannot. Half of you barely go over the Channel

    Britain, as a place to live, is falling behind quite badly, in terms of quality of life, beauty of surroundings, urban architecture

    I'm a patriot. I wish this wasn't true. But it is

    The UK has always been a crap place to live if you like nice weather. However we made up for that with quite handsome cities, free speech, a high trust society, social homogeneity, low crime, political stability, notably high incomes, lush green countryside, and clean bracing coastlines etc

    One by one we have lost and are losing all of these, which makes the UK, steadily, much less attractive

    I've noticed the scuzziness of my town worsening over the last 5-10 years.

    Lots of Turkish/Albanian barbers all over the place, lots of carers from overseas (usually sub-saharan Africa), some people with serious addiction and mental problems walking round, and a noticeable number of hijabs, which were once non-existent. And, in general, young men (in particular) in their twenties being noticeably fatter with bad beards and really shit tattoos.

    This is a market town in rural Hampshire.
    Yes, quite

    The first step in dealing with a big problem is accepting that it is happening. This is often not easy, it's like admitting you've gone beyond "a bit chubby" to "frankly obese" and you will need a major lifestyle change, much of which will be tedious and painful, certainly at first

    But that cruel realisation has to dawn, before we can go anywhere

    My sense is that quite a few Brits have now made that step towards reality - this country is slowly but steadily turning to shit - hence the remarkable surge towards Reform. This does NOT mean Reform have the answers, probably they don't - but at least people are comprehending we need a radical change. The status quo will not do

    In that sense the rise of Reform is, in itself, a hopeful sign
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,741
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?


    I hesitate to say you need to get out more, but perhaps get out different. You have missed out the whole of: Lincolnshire (have you never been to Stamford?), Cumberland and Westmorland, Yorkshire, Edinburgh, Norfolk and almost all of Suffolk, Sussex, Northumberland, the entire of the Scottish side of the borders, Wiltshire and Doset, Northamptonshire. And Yorkshire.

    Apart from that you are on the right lines.
    I did say I was being provocative

    However, you also forget I have travelled the entire world, pretty much. So I can compare multiple places in a way 99% of PBers cannot. Half of you barely go over the Channel

    Britain, as a place to live, is falling behind quite badly, in terms of quality of life, beauty of surroundings, urban architecture

    I'm a patriot. I wish this wasn't true. But it is

    The UK has always been a crap place to live if you like nice weather. However we made up for that with quite handsome cities, free speech, a high trust society, social homogeneity, low crime, political stability, notably high incomes, lush green countryside, and clean bracing coastlines etc

    One by one we have lost and are losing all of these, which makes the UK, steadily, much less attractive

    If Farage wins does that mean 'we're a shithole and we don't care' becomes the new anthem of British patriots? Before he imposes mass taxes on all foreign travel and flights so everyone bar the super rich has to holiday in Blackpool and Bognor anyway!
    Clacton surely?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,162
    MaxPB said:

    Graham Norton is such a great host for this. My wife absolutely loves his commentary every year. It's really helped her to understand how to be damning with faint praise over the years.

    We demand Dr Death and the Tooth Fairy ! (Hosts, 1991)

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,078
    Dutch bloke singing in French!
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,729

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?


    I hesitate to say you need to get out more, but perhaps get out different. You have missed out the whole of: Lincolnshire (have you never been to Stamford?), Cumberland and Westmorland, Yorkshire, Edinburgh, Norfolk and almost all of Suffolk, Sussex, Northumberland, the entire of the Scottish side of the borders, Wiltshire and Doset, Northamptonshire. And Yorkshire.

    Apart from that you are on the right lines.
    I did say I was being provocative

    However, you also forget I have travelled the entire world, pretty much. So I can compare multiple places in a way 99% of PBers cannot. Half of you barely go over the Channel

    Britain, as a place to live, is falling behind quite badly, in terms of quality of life, beauty of surroundings, urban architecture

    I'm a patriot. I wish this wasn't true. But it is

    The UK has always been a crap place to live if you like nice weather. However we made up for that with quite handsome cities, free speech, a high trust society, social homogeneity, low crime, political stability, notably high incomes, lush green countryside, and clean bracing coastlines etc

    One by one we have lost and are losing all of these, which makes the UK, steadily, much less attractive

    I've noticed the scuzziness of my town worsening over the last 5-10 years.

    Lots of Turkish/Albanian barbers all over the place, lots of carers from overseas (usually sub-saharan Africa), some people with serious addiction and mental problems walking round, and a noticeable number of hijabs, which were once non-existent. And, in general, young men (in particular) in their twenties being noticeably fatter with bad beards and really shit tattoos.

    This is a market town in rural Hampshire.
    My current carer is Polish. Settling down ATM with a British lad. We do have a Turkish barber in the ,town.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,069
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?


    I hesitate to say you need to get out more, but perhaps get out different. You have missed out the whole of: Lincolnshire (have you never been to Stamford?), Cumberland and Westmorland, Yorkshire, Edinburgh, Norfolk and almost all of Suffolk, Sussex, Northumberland, the entire of the Scottish side of the borders, Wiltshire and Doset, Northamptonshire. And Yorkshire.

    Apart from that you are on the right lines.
    I did say I was being provocative

    However, you also forget I have travelled the entire world, pretty much. So I can compare multiple places in a way 99% of PBers cannot. Half of you barely go over the Channel

    Britain, as a place to live, is falling behind quite badly, in terms of quality of life, beauty of surroundings, urban architecture

    I'm a patriot. I wish this wasn't true. But it is

    The UK has always been a crap place to live if you like nice weather. However we made up for that with quite handsome cities, free speech, a high trust society, social homogeneity, low crime, political stability, notably high incomes, lush green countryside, and clean bracing coastlines etc

    One by one we have lost and are losing all of these, which makes the UK, steadily, much less attractive

    I've noticed the scuzziness of my town worsening over the last 5-10 years.

    Lots of Turkish/Albanian barbers all over the place, lots of carers from overseas (usually sub-saharan Africa), some people with serious addiction and mental problems walking round, and a noticeable number of hijabs, which were once non-existent. And, in general, young men (in particular) in their twenties being noticeably fatter with bad beards and really shit tattoos.

    This is a market town in rural Hampshire.
    Yes, quite

    The first step in dealing with a big problem is accepting that it is happening. This is often not easy, it's like admitting you've gone beyond "a bit chubby" to "frankly obese" and you will need a major lifestyle change, much of which will be tedious and painful, certainly at first

    But that cruel realisation has to dawn, before we can go anywhere

    My sense is that quite a few Brits have now made that step towards reality - this country is slowly but steadily turning to shit - hence the remarkable surge towards Reform. This does NOT mean Reform have the answers, probably they don't - but at least people are comprehending we need a radical change. The status quo will not do

    In that sense the rise of Reform is, in itself, a hopeful sign
    Of course the problem is that Reform will do Fuck All about it either. They are as deluded as the other two
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,741
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?


    I hesitate to say you need to get out more, but perhaps get out different. You have missed out the whole of: Lincolnshire (have you never been to Stamford?), Cumberland and Westmorland, Yorkshire, Edinburgh, Norfolk and almost all of Suffolk, Sussex, Northumberland, the entire of the Scottish side of the borders, Wiltshire and Doset, Northamptonshire. And Yorkshire.

    Apart from that you are on the right lines.
    I did say I was being provocative

    However, you also forget I have travelled the entire world, pretty much. So I can compare multiple places in a way 99% of PBers cannot. Half of you barely go over the Channel

    Britain, as a place to live, is falling behind quite badly, in terms of quality of life, beauty of surroundings, urban architecture

    I'm a patriot. I wish this wasn't true. But it is

    The UK has always been a crap place to live if you like nice weather. However we made up for that with quite handsome cities, free speech, a high trust society, social homogeneity, low crime, political stability, notably high incomes, lush green countryside, and clean bracing coastlines etc

    One by one we have lost and are losing all of these, which makes the UK, steadily, much less attractive

    I've noticed the scuzziness of my town worsening over the last 5-10 years.

    Lots of Turkish/Albanian barbers all over the place, lots of carers from overseas (usually sub-saharan Africa), some people with serious addiction and mental problems walking round, and a noticeable number of hijabs, which were once non-existent. And, in general, young men (in particular) in their twenties being noticeably fatter with bad beards and really shit tattoos.

    This is a market town in rural Hampshire.
    Yes, quite

    The first step in dealing with a big problem is accepting that it is happening. This is often not easy, it's like admitting you've gone beyond "a bit chubby" to "frankly obese" and you will need a major lifestyle change, much of which will be tedious and painful, certainly at first

    But that cruel realisation has to dawn, before we can go anywhere

    My sense is that quite a few Brits have now made that step towards reality - this country is slowly but steadily turning to shit - hence the remarkable surge towards Reform. This does NOT mean Reform have the answers, probably they don't - but at least people are comprehending we need a radical change. The status quo will not do

    In that sense the rise of Reform is, in itself, a hopeful sign
    Is it, bollocks.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,213
    MaxPB said:

    Graham Norton is such a great host for this. My wife absolutely loves his commentary every year. It's really helped her to understand how to be damning with faint praise over the years.

    That’s a nice post.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,415
    Best so far Latvia and Austria . UK was okay and quite Eurovisiony . At least they can sing and the harmonies were good.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,976
    edited May 17
    Here comes my 20/1 tip.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,626

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?


    I hesitate to say you need to get out more, but perhaps get out different. You have missed out the whole of: Lincolnshire (have you never been to Stamford?), Cumberland and Westmorland, Yorkshire, Edinburgh, Norfolk and almost all of Suffolk, Sussex, Northumberland, the entire of the Scottish side of the borders, Wiltshire and Doset, Northamptonshire. And Yorkshire.

    Apart from that you are on the right lines.
    I did say I was being provocative

    However, you also forget I have travelled the entire world, pretty much. So I can compare multiple places in a way 99% of PBers cannot. Half of you barely go over the Channel

    Britain, as a place to live, is falling behind quite badly, in terms of quality of life, beauty of surroundings, urban architecture

    I'm a patriot. I wish this wasn't true. But it is

    The UK has always been a crap place to live if you like nice weather. However we made up for that with quite handsome cities, free speech, a high trust society, social homogeneity, low crime, political stability, notably high incomes, lush green countryside, and clean bracing coastlines etc

    One by one we have lost and are losing all of these, which makes the UK, steadily, much less attractive

    I've noticed the scuzziness of my town worsening over the last 5-10 years.

    Lots of Turkish/Albanian barbers all over the place, lots of carers from overseas (usually sub-saharan Africa), some people with serious addiction and mental problems walking round, and a noticeable number of hijabs, which were once non-existent. And, in general, young men (in particular) in their twenties being noticeably fatter with bad beards and really shit tattoos.

    This is a market town in rural Hampshire.
    Yes, quite

    The first step in dealing with a big problem is accepting that it is happening. This is often not easy, it's like admitting you've gone beyond "a bit chubby" to "frankly obese" and you will need a major lifestyle change, much of which will be tedious and painful, certainly at first

    But that cruel realisation has to dawn, before we can go anywhere

    My sense is that quite a few Brits have now made that step towards reality - this country is slowly but steadily turning to shit - hence the remarkable surge towards Reform. This does NOT mean Reform have the answers, probably they don't - but at least people are comprehending we need a radical change. The status quo will not do

    In that sense the rise of Reform is, in itself, a hopeful sign
    Is it, bollocks.
    QED
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,741
    Ooh, an old lady in a leather basque...
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,011
    Bloody hell, Finland. She gets my vote.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,976
    MaxPB said:

    Bloody hell, Finland. She gets my vote.

    I hope you followed my tip.
  • SonofContrarianSonofContrarian Posts: 165
    MaxPB said:

    Bloody hell, Finland. She gets my vote.

    Yes, indeed..who cares about the song? 😏 I've got the sound muted..still..😚
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,162
    Just tuning in to a bit of Eurovision.

    WTF happened with Iceland? It's two of the lost boys from Peter Pan.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,976
    MattW said:

    Just tuning in to a bit of Eurovision.

    WTF happened with Iceland? It's two of the lost boys from Peter Pan.

    Jedward tribute act.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,741
    edited May 17

    Ooh, an old lady in a leather basque...

    Old????

    She's 32.
    As a Premier League footballer she'd be thinking of hanging up her boots in a year or two.

    Actually she's very good.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,069
    Finland.

    Yes
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,612

    WHAT THE HELL JUST HAPPENED??

    Dunno, but I wouldn't mind seeing the feelgood musical it's the encore megamix for.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,078
    Bowie tribute act from Italy
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,605

    Ooh, an old lady in a leather basque...

    Old????

    She's 32.

    Are you Leo DiCaprio?
    That depressing stage of life when you think a woman is easily older than you but she's a lot younger
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,162

    Ooh, an old lady in a leather basque...

    Apparently, 32.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,078
    Polish lady is 52 :)
  • xyzxyzxyzxyzxyzxyz Posts: 109

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?


    I hesitate to say you need to get out more, but perhaps get out different. You have missed out the whole of: Lincolnshire (have you never been to Stamford?), Cumberland and Westmorland, Yorkshire, Edinburgh, Norfolk and almost all of Suffolk, Sussex, Northumberland, the entire of the Scottish side of the borders, Wiltshire and Doset, Northamptonshire. And Yorkshire.

    Apart from that you are on the right lines.
    I did say I was being provocative

    However, you also forget I have travelled the entire world, pretty much. So I can compare multiple places in a way 99% of PBers cannot. Half of you barely go over the Channel

    Britain, as a place to live, is falling behind quite badly, in terms of quality of life, beauty of surroundings, urban architecture

    I'm a patriot. I wish this wasn't true. But it is

    The UK has always been a crap place to live if you like nice weather. However we made up for that with quite handsome cities, free speech, a high trust society, social homogeneity, low crime, political stability, notably high incomes, lush green countryside, and clean bracing coastlines etc

    One by one we have lost and are losing all of these, which makes the UK, steadily, much less attractive

    I've noticed the scuzziness of my town worsening over the last 5-10 years.

    Lots of Turkish/Albanian barbers all over the place, lots of carers from overseas (usually sub-saharan Africa), some people with serious addiction and mental problems walking round, and a noticeable number of hijabs, which were once non-existent. And, in general, young men (in particular) in their twenties being noticeably fatter with bad beards and really shit tattoos.

    This is a market town in rural Hampshire.
    Liberal society chose abortion over adoption. The 12m immigrants since 1997 more than replacing the 10.7m aborted since 1967.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,741
    tlg86 said:

    Ooh, an old lady in a leather basque...

    Old????

    She's 32.

    Are you Leo DiCaprio?
    That depressing stage of life when you think a woman is easily older than you but she's a lot younger
    She'd be twice her age if that were true-sadly.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,976
    tlg86 said:

    Ooh, an old lady in a leather basque...

    Old????

    She's 32.

    Are you Leo DiCaprio?
    That depressing stage of life when you think a woman is easily older than you but she's a lot younger
    Been there.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,612
    What's with Italian Noel Fielding's piano?

    You could have someone's eye out with that.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,741

    Ooh, an old lady in a leather basque...

    Old????

    She's 32.

    Are you Leo DiCaprio?
    Sadly not. But she would definitely be far too old for Leo.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,069
    Polish Cher did a number. Superb!!!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,976
    Just an FYI.

    My reason for backing Finland was nothing to do with my libido, the music felt very Eurovision.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,605

    Just an FYI.

    My reason for backing Finland was nothing to do with my libido, the music felt very Eurovision.

    I thought it was a poor song, but then I don't think any have been especially good so far.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,078

    Ooh, an old lady in a leather basque...

    Old????

    She's 32.

    Are you Leo DiCaprio?
    Sadly not. But she would definitely be far too old for Leo.
    "I want you to draw me like one of your Eurovision girls."
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,976
    tlg86 said:

    Just an FYI.

    My reason for backing Finland was nothing to do with my libido, the music felt very Eurovision.

    I thought it was a poor song, but then I don't think any have been especially good so far.
    You don't think a song with the title 'I come' was Eurovisiony?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,069
    tlg86 said:

    Just an FYI.

    My reason for backing Finland was nothing to do with my libido, the music felt very Eurovision.

    I thought it was a poor song, but then I don't think any have been especially good so far.
    Song? Not sure many people were listening to the song
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,605
    Germany a bit better.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,852
    xyzxyzxyz said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?


    I hesitate to say you need to get out more, but perhaps get out different. You have missed out the whole of: Lincolnshire (have you never been to Stamford?), Cumberland and Westmorland, Yorkshire, Edinburgh, Norfolk and almost all of Suffolk, Sussex, Northumberland, the entire of the Scottish side of the borders, Wiltshire and Doset, Northamptonshire. And Yorkshire.

    Apart from that you are on the right lines.
    I did say I was being provocative

    However, you also forget I have travelled the entire world, pretty much. So I can compare multiple places in a way 99% of PBers cannot. Half of you barely go over the Channel

    Britain, as a place to live, is falling behind quite badly, in terms of quality of life, beauty of surroundings, urban architecture

    I'm a patriot. I wish this wasn't true. But it is

    The UK has always been a crap place to live if you like nice weather. However we made up for that with quite handsome cities, free speech, a high trust society, social homogeneity, low crime, political stability, notably high incomes, lush green countryside, and clean bracing coastlines etc

    One by one we have lost and are losing all of these, which makes the UK, steadily, much less attractive

    I've noticed the scuzziness of my town worsening over the last 5-10 years.

    Lots of Turkish/Albanian barbers all over the place, lots of carers from overseas (usually sub-saharan Africa), some people with serious addiction and mental problems walking round, and a noticeable number of hijabs, which were once non-existent. And, in general, young men (in particular) in their twenties being noticeably fatter with bad beards and really shit tattoos.

    This is a market town in rural Hampshire.
    Liberal society chose abortion over adoption. The 12m immigrants since 1997 more than replacing the 10.7m aborted since 1967.

    Birth rates have collapsed even in countries where abortion is illegal. I guess you could make contraception illegal, or perhaps make it so a woman is not allowed to resist a man, but I'm not 100% sure those policies would be popular.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,011
    Think Germany did better than we did. Ours was too forgettable, will do ok with judges but not well with the audience vote.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,771
    tlg86 said:

    Germany a bit better.

    Funny, that's what my grandfather said when he visited Cologne in '61.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,741
    edited May 17
    MaxPB said:

    Bloody hell, Finland. She gets my vote.

    Next year's contest in Helsinkigrad?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,605
    edited May 17
    https://x.com/scottygb/status/1923836288731422929

    Scott Bryan
    @scottygb
    The BSL during Finland was incredible

  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,069
    We’ve hit a bit of a lull
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,415
    edited May 17

    We’ve hit a bit of a lull

    Have another drink it helps !
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,594
    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?


    The shops in town and city centres are worse than earlier decades.

    And the pubs and restaurants are better.

    Though this only applies to towns which were big enough to have branches of M&S, HoF, Debenhams etc.

    Smaller towns do not have the blight caused by the loss of the big chain shops.

    The trick to living in this country is to live in a nice part of a cheap area and only visit big town centres when you want a new restaurant experience.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,741
    edited May 17
    I like the Swiss girl. Very Veronique Sanson.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,069
    nico67 said:

    We’ve hit a bit of a lull

    Have another drink it helps !
    Alas not drinking at all. Have been doing far too much of that this year.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,078

    I like the Swiss girl. Very Veronique Sanson.

    She looks OK :)
  • xyzxyzxyzxyzxyzxyz Posts: 109
    rcs1000 said:

    xyzxyzxyz said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?


    I hesitate to say you need to get out more, but perhaps get out different. You have missed out the whole of: Lincolnshire (have you never been to Stamford?), Cumberland and Westmorland, Yorkshire, Edinburgh, Norfolk and almost all of Suffolk, Sussex, Northumberland, the entire of the Scottish side of the borders, Wiltshire and Doset, Northamptonshire. And Yorkshire.

    Apart from that you are on the right lines.
    I did say I was being provocative

    However, you also forget I have travelled the entire world, pretty much. So I can compare multiple places in a way 99% of PBers cannot. Half of you barely go over the Channel

    Britain, as a place to live, is falling behind quite badly, in terms of quality of life, beauty of surroundings, urban architecture

    I'm a patriot. I wish this wasn't true. But it is

    The UK has always been a crap place to live if you like nice weather. However we made up for that with quite handsome cities, free speech, a high trust society, social homogeneity, low crime, political stability, notably high incomes, lush green countryside, and clean bracing coastlines etc

    One by one we have lost and are losing all of these, which makes the UK, steadily, much less attractive

    I've noticed the scuzziness of my town worsening over the last 5-10 years.

    Lots of Turkish/Albanian barbers all over the place, lots of carers from overseas (usually sub-saharan Africa), some people with serious addiction and mental problems walking round, and a noticeable number of hijabs, which were once non-existent. And, in general, young men (in particular) in their twenties being noticeably fatter with bad beards and really shit tattoos.

    This is a market town in rural Hampshire.
    Liberal society chose abortion over adoption. The 12m immigrants since 1997 more than replacing the 10.7m aborted since 1967.

    Birth rates have collapsed even in countries where abortion is illegal. I guess you could make contraception illegal, or perhaps make it so a woman is not allowed to resist a man, but I'm not 100% sure those policies would be popular.
    Wages went down and rents went up. Hungary is giving a lifetime 25% tax cut to women who have children. Abortions are down 50% and divorce rates are lower. Liberal societies are declining while conservative societies prosper.

  • isamisam Posts: 41,660
    edited May 17
    Head of JP Morgan bigging up Starmer & Reeves in The Times



    Jamie Dimon: Rachel Reeves has got it right — I’d love to help

    He has waded into British politics before, memorably during Brexit, when he warned that JP Morgan could cut up to 4,000 jobs in the event of a vote to leave. Since then, its workforce in Britain has grown by 6,000. Does he regret his remarks? “No. If someone asks me a question, I answer it as best as I can.”


    https://www.thetimes.com/article/86208e22-a4d3-4d1b-b765-65afca3d9556?shareToken=f221c6c2f2768010c5b89162b91f9301
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,069
    Malta. Strong Netta vibes with this one
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,011

    Malta. Strong Netta vibes with this one

    Worst of the night for me so far, by quite some distance too.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,069
    Portugal have decided to enter their musical tribute to the film Notting Hill. Complete with a Hugh Grant impersonator
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,623
    xyzxyzxyz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    xyzxyzxyz said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?


    I hesitate to say you need to get out more, but perhaps get out different. You have missed out the whole of: Lincolnshire (have you never been to Stamford?), Cumberland and Westmorland, Yorkshire, Edinburgh, Norfolk and almost all of Suffolk, Sussex, Northumberland, the entire of the Scottish side of the borders, Wiltshire and Doset, Northamptonshire. And Yorkshire.

    Apart from that you are on the right lines.
    I did say I was being provocative

    However, you also forget I have travelled the entire world, pretty much. So I can compare multiple places in a way 99% of PBers cannot. Half of you barely go over the Channel

    Britain, as a place to live, is falling behind quite badly, in terms of quality of life, beauty of surroundings, urban architecture

    I'm a patriot. I wish this wasn't true. But it is

    The UK has always been a crap place to live if you like nice weather. However we made up for that with quite handsome cities, free speech, a high trust society, social homogeneity, low crime, political stability, notably high incomes, lush green countryside, and clean bracing coastlines etc

    One by one we have lost and are losing all of these, which makes the UK, steadily, much less attractive

    I've noticed the scuzziness of my town worsening over the last 5-10 years.

    Lots of Turkish/Albanian barbers all over the place, lots of carers from overseas (usually sub-saharan Africa), some people with serious addiction and mental problems walking round, and a noticeable number of hijabs, which were once non-existent. And, in general, young men (in particular) in their twenties being noticeably fatter with bad beards and really shit tattoos.

    This is a market town in rural Hampshire.
    Liberal society chose abortion over adoption. The 12m immigrants since 1997 more than replacing the 10.7m aborted since 1967.

    Birth rates have collapsed even in countries where abortion is illegal. I guess you could make contraception illegal, or perhaps make it so a woman is not allowed to resist a man, but I'm not 100% sure those policies would be popular.
    Wages went down and rents went up. Hungary is giving a lifetime 25% tax cut to women who have children. Abortions are down 50% and divorce rates are lower. Liberal societies are declining while conservative societies prosper.

    But have they answered the big question -

    If a plane crashes on the Ukraine/Republic of China border, which side do you bury the survivors?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,069
    edited May 17
    MaxPB said:

    Malta. Strong Netta vibes with this one

    Worst of the night for me so far, by quite some distance too.
    Outrageous slander of the UK “song”
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,021

    Malta. Strong Netta vibes with this one

    Hosting Eurovision would be quite pricey for Malta, per capita.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,741
    A big bird in swimwear.

    I quite like the song though. 1980 vibes.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,069

    A big bird in swimwear.

    I quite like the song though. 1980 vibes.

    An Absolute Banger
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,011

    MaxPB said:

    Malta. Strong Netta vibes with this one

    Worst of the night for me so far, by quite some distance too.
    Outrageous slander of the UK “song”
    Nah ours was just a bit bland, the Malta one was actively rubbish. Denmark just did it so much better.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,175
    isam said:

    Head of JP Morgan bigging up Starmer & Reeves in The Times



    Jamie Dimon: Rachel Reeves has got it right — I’d love to help

    He has waded into British politics before, memorably during Brexit, when he warned that JP Morgan could cut up to 4,000 jobs in the event of a vote to leave. Since then, its workforce in Britain has grown by 6,000. Does he regret his remarks? “No. If someone asks me a question, I answer it as best as I can.”


    https://www.thetimes.com/article/86208e22-a4d3-4d1b-b765-65afca3d9556?shareToken=f221c6c2f2768010c5b89162b91f9301

    He’s rumoured to be stepping down from his role at JP Morgan this year although I can’t see him being short of offers of work.

    If he wants to help out, why not, however I’m sure Labour would rather have an Oxbridge PPE graduate SPAD type than someone like Jamie Dimon.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,069
    Sauna
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,741
    xyzxyzxyz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    xyzxyzxyz said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?


    I hesitate to say you need to get out more, but perhaps get out different. You have missed out the whole of: Lincolnshire (have you never been to Stamford?), Cumberland and Westmorland, Yorkshire, Edinburgh, Norfolk and almost all of Suffolk, Sussex, Northumberland, the entire of the Scottish side of the borders, Wiltshire and Doset, Northamptonshire. And Yorkshire.

    Apart from that you are on the right lines.
    I did say I was being provocative

    However, you also forget I have travelled the entire world, pretty much. So I can compare multiple places in a way 99% of PBers cannot. Half of you barely go over the Channel

    Britain, as a place to live, is falling behind quite badly, in terms of quality of life, beauty of surroundings, urban architecture

    I'm a patriot. I wish this wasn't true. But it is

    The UK has always been a crap place to live if you like nice weather. However we made up for that with quite handsome cities, free speech, a high trust society, social homogeneity, low crime, political stability, notably high incomes, lush green countryside, and clean bracing coastlines etc

    One by one we have lost and are losing all of these, which makes the UK, steadily, much less attractive

    I've noticed the scuzziness of my town worsening over the last 5-10 years.

    Lots of Turkish/Albanian barbers all over the place, lots of carers from overseas (usually sub-saharan Africa), some people with serious addiction and mental problems walking round, and a noticeable number of hijabs, which were once non-existent. And, in general, young men (in particular) in their twenties being noticeably fatter with bad beards and really shit tattoos.

    This is a market town in rural Hampshire.
    Liberal society chose abortion over adoption. The 12m immigrants since 1997 more than replacing the 10.7m aborted since 1967.

    Birth rates have collapsed even in countries where abortion is illegal. I guess you could make contraception illegal, or perhaps make it so a woman is not allowed to resist a man, but I'm not 100% sure those policies would be popular.
    Wages went down and rents went up. Hungary is giving a lifetime 25% tax cut to women who have children. Abortions are down 50% and divorce rates are lower. Liberal societies are declining while conservative societies prosper.

    Who are you voting for in the Eurovision Song Contest?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,384
    Omnium said:

    My three favourite Tom Cruise movies are Rainman, The Color of Money and A Few Good Men

    Mostly because of Dustin Hoffman, Paul Newman and Jack Nicholson

    A Few Good Men like To Kill A Mockingbird and Inherit The Wind shows the importance of lawyers and how awesome they are.
    A Few Good Men has to be Cruises best film. Twelve Angry Men the best film about lawyers.
    Atticus Finch is the best ever lawyer. If only real ones were like that.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,242
    Can you vote for the Made in Switzerland one?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,069
    edited May 17
    Glad to hear Graham getting excited at the prospect of Celine’s Big Box
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,852
    xyzxyzxyz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    xyzxyzxyz said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?


    I hesitate to say you need to get out more, but perhaps get out different. You have missed out the whole of: Lincolnshire (have you never been to Stamford?), Cumberland and Westmorland, Yorkshire, Edinburgh, Norfolk and almost all of Suffolk, Sussex, Northumberland, the entire of the Scottish side of the borders, Wiltshire and Doset, Northamptonshire. And Yorkshire.

    Apart from that you are on the right lines.
    I did say I was being provocative

    However, you also forget I have travelled the entire world, pretty much. So I can compare multiple places in a way 99% of PBers cannot. Half of you barely go over the Channel

    Britain, as a place to live, is falling behind quite badly, in terms of quality of life, beauty of surroundings, urban architecture

    I'm a patriot. I wish this wasn't true. But it is

    The UK has always been a crap place to live if you like nice weather. However we made up for that with quite handsome cities, free speech, a high trust society, social homogeneity, low crime, political stability, notably high incomes, lush green countryside, and clean bracing coastlines etc

    One by one we have lost and are losing all of these, which makes the UK, steadily, much less attractive

    I've noticed the scuzziness of my town worsening over the last 5-10 years.

    Lots of Turkish/Albanian barbers all over the place, lots of carers from overseas (usually sub-saharan Africa), some people with serious addiction and mental problems walking round, and a noticeable number of hijabs, which were once non-existent. And, in general, young men (in particular) in their twenties being noticeably fatter with bad beards and really shit tattoos.

    This is a market town in rural Hampshire.
    Liberal society chose abortion over adoption. The 12m immigrants since 1997 more than replacing the 10.7m aborted since 1967.

    Birth rates have collapsed even in countries where abortion is illegal. I guess you could make contraception illegal, or perhaps make it so a woman is not allowed to resist a man, but I'm not 100% sure those policies would be popular.
    Wages went down and rents went up. Hungary is giving a lifetime 25% tax cut to women who have children. Abortions are down 50% and divorce rates are lower. Liberal societies are declining while conservative societies prosper.

    Hungary spends 5% of GDP on measures to try and get its birthrate up.

    Its TFR is ... 1.52

    It's an utter failure.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,741
    Ooh I like this one-Waterloo!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,078
    Oh la la!
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,995

    Ooh I like this one-Waterloo!

    If it had been written now, would it win?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,612

    Sauna

    They look like the 2022 Footlights have transferred their Radio 4 sketch show to TV, but you will hear it poolside across Europe this summer.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,415

    Can you vote for the Made in Switzerland one?

    That was one of the better songs !
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,741

    Ooh I like this one-Waterloo!

    If it had been written now, would it win?
    Probably not.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,968
    What country is this at the moment? Just switched on.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,420
    edited May 17

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?


    The shops in town and city centres are worse than earlier decades.

    And the pubs and restaurants are better.

    Though this only applies to towns which were big enough to have branches of M&S, HoF, Debenhams etc.

    Smaller towns do not have the blight caused by the loss of the big chain shops.

    The trick to living in this country is to live in a nice part of a cheap area and only visit big town centres when you want a new restaurant experience.
    As a general rule of thumb, you still can't go that wrong by starting off by living in a town or city centre, and as you get older slowly moving further and further away from one - until you hit retirement, when you then want to try and find the sweet spot of a rural-ish area with an older demographic and decent facilities (the coast is typically a good bet).
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,976
    The French entry looked like exploding diarrhoea.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,069
    Sorry San Marino. The first song taking the piss out of Italy was better than your attempt
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,069
    Andy_JS said:

    What country is this at the moment? Just switched on.

    Yes
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,110
    xyzxyzxyz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    xyzxyzxyz said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?


    I hesitate to say you need to get out more, but perhaps get out different. You have missed out the whole of: Lincolnshire (have you never been to Stamford?), Cumberland and Westmorland, Yorkshire, Edinburgh, Norfolk and almost all of Suffolk, Sussex, Northumberland, the entire of the Scottish side of the borders, Wiltshire and Doset, Northamptonshire. And Yorkshire.

    Apart from that you are on the right lines.
    I did say I was being provocative

    However, you also forget I have travelled the entire world, pretty much. So I can compare multiple places in a way 99% of PBers cannot. Half of you barely go over the Channel

    Britain, as a place to live, is falling behind quite badly, in terms of quality of life, beauty of surroundings, urban architecture

    I'm a patriot. I wish this wasn't true. But it is

    The UK has always been a crap place to live if you like nice weather. However we made up for that with quite handsome cities, free speech, a high trust society, social homogeneity, low crime, political stability, notably high incomes, lush green countryside, and clean bracing coastlines etc

    One by one we have lost and are losing all of these, which makes the UK, steadily, much less attractive

    I've noticed the scuzziness of my town worsening over the last 5-10 years.

    Lots of Turkish/Albanian barbers all over the place, lots of carers from overseas (usually sub-saharan Africa), some people with serious addiction and mental problems walking round, and a noticeable number of hijabs, which were once non-existent. And, in general, young men (in particular) in their twenties being noticeably fatter with bad beards and really shit tattoos.

    This is a market town in rural Hampshire.
    Liberal society chose abortion over adoption. The 12m immigrants since 1997 more than replacing the 10.7m aborted since 1967.

    Birth rates have collapsed even in countries where abortion is illegal. I guess you could make contraception illegal, or perhaps make it so a woman is not allowed to resist a man, but I'm not 100% sure those policies would be popular.
    Wages went down and rents went up. Hungary is giving a lifetime 25% tax cut to women who have children. Abortions are down 50% and divorce rates are lower. Liberal societies are declining while conservative societies prosper.

    I will also put in a word for Sheffield, which is also in my top 5 favourite British cities. It has the following going for it:
    - The hills. Nowhere else like it in the UK. Every bit of it affords a view of other bits of it.
    - The entire southwestern quadrant, which includes the most pleasant suburbia in the UK. Dore, Totley, Ecclesall, Fulwood, Broomhill, Nether Edge, Crosspool, Brincliffe, Millhouses, Ranmoor. And I have a soft apot for Crookes, where I lived for two years. If, as I did, you first approach Sheffield from the west, your first - indeed only - impression is that this is a very comfortably off city.
    - Some of the city centre, which is quite pleasant.
    - West Street/Division Street/Devonshire Street, which is a cool urban quarter without ramming its coolness down your throat and/or mugging you (either literally or metaphorically).
    - The Peak District: when I lived in Crookes, 30 minutes walk to the east was the city centre, 30 minutes west was the Peak District. Very few cities transition so suddenly from city to really good countryside.
    - The Leadmill, which has been the best nightclub in the country for about 30 years (though I understand it is being evicted? sob.) This isn't just a man reminiscing about his lost youth - it's pretty widely recognised as among the best of its sort consistently for years.
    - People are friendly. That's what tends to get trotted out about places with nothing else to offer. But it's genuinely true, more so than Manchester, Leeds, Edinburgh, York or Glasgow or Newcastle.
    - The cost of living: for, say, half a million pounds you can live ina nicer house in a nicer suburb in Sheffield than almost anywhere else in England.

    On the downside, the retail offer of the city centre is pretty poor - many cities were damaged in the 90s by massive shopping malls in adjacent boroughs, but Sheffield was the only city that chose to kill its own city centre. And there is real poverty in the poor bits - my wife went to Pitsmoor last week; she knows the rougher bits of Manchester and Salford but was quite taken aback by NE Sheffield.

    On the whole though, it's a pretty good city. Of all the places I could live in the UK it comes in the top handful.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,968

    Andy_JS said:

    What country is this at the moment? Just switched on.

    Yes
    Thanks.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,637

    So far I like SPAIN and LATVIA..

    Based on how they presented the flags.

    Oh, FINLAND too.

    Just this week I was clicking around and landed on a Latvian music site, where one chap looked vaguely familiar. Turns out my old physical chemistry lecturer, who inspired my lifelong ignorance of Miller indices, was moonlighting as a Latvian musician.
    https://dziesmusvetki.lndb.lv/en/person/?id=157
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,384

    The French entry looked like exploding diarrhoea.

    Hard to believe the French haven't won since 1977.

    (!)
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,995

    Ooh I like this one-Waterloo!

    If it had been written now, would it win?
    Probably not.
    I agree.

    I don't think anyone will playing this lot in 50 years though.

    Maybe not even 50 days for some...
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,291
    rcs1000 said:

    xyzxyzxyz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    xyzxyzxyz said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?


    I hesitate to say you need to get out more, but perhaps get out different. You have missed out the whole of: Lincolnshire (have you never been to Stamford?), Cumberland and Westmorland, Yorkshire, Edinburgh, Norfolk and almost all of Suffolk, Sussex, Northumberland, the entire of the Scottish side of the borders, Wiltshire and Doset, Northamptonshire. And Yorkshire.

    Apart from that you are on the right lines.
    I did say I was being provocative

    However, you also forget I have travelled the entire world, pretty much. So I can compare multiple places in a way 99% of PBers cannot. Half of you barely go over the Channel

    Britain, as a place to live, is falling behind quite badly, in terms of quality of life, beauty of surroundings, urban architecture

    I'm a patriot. I wish this wasn't true. But it is

    The UK has always been a crap place to live if you like nice weather. However we made up for that with quite handsome cities, free speech, a high trust society, social homogeneity, low crime, political stability, notably high incomes, lush green countryside, and clean bracing coastlines etc

    One by one we have lost and are losing all of these, which makes the UK, steadily, much less attractive

    I've noticed the scuzziness of my town worsening over the last 5-10 years.

    Lots of Turkish/Albanian barbers all over the place, lots of carers from overseas (usually sub-saharan Africa), some people with serious addiction and mental problems walking round, and a noticeable number of hijabs, which were once non-existent. And, in general, young men (in particular) in their twenties being noticeably fatter with bad beards and really shit tattoos.

    This is a market town in rural Hampshire.
    Liberal society chose abortion over adoption. The 12m immigrants since 1997 more than replacing the 10.7m aborted since 1967.

    Birth rates have collapsed even in countries where abortion is illegal. I guess you could make contraception illegal, or perhaps make it so a woman is not allowed to resist a man, but I'm not 100% sure those policies would be popular.
    Wages went down and rents went up. Hungary is giving a lifetime 25% tax cut to women who have children. Abortions are down 50% and divorce rates are lower. Liberal societies are declining while conservative societies prosper.

    Hungary spends 5% of GDP on measures to try and get its birthrate up.

    Its TFR is ... 1.52

    It's an utter failure.
    Also I thought we were trying to reduce the population..? It is hard to keep up with right wing talking points
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,384

    Ooh I like this one-Waterloo!

    If it had been written now, would it win?
    Probably not.
    Surely though Waterloo is the undisputed best ever Eurovision song?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,741
    Lena Lovich is alive and living in Albania by the looks of it.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,069
    Congratulations to Albania for making the final!

    Now then, wtaf have you decided to perform?
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,646
    Does anyone think we might get a live Celine Dion appearance before the voting results are announced?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,612

    Sorry San Marino. The first song taking the piss out of Italy was better than your attempt

    What have the Italians done to upset people?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,429

    rcs1000 said:

    xyzxyzxyz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    xyzxyzxyz said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?


    I hesitate to say you need to get out more, but perhaps get out different. You have missed out the whole of: Lincolnshire (have you never been to Stamford?), Cumberland and Westmorland, Yorkshire, Edinburgh, Norfolk and almost all of Suffolk, Sussex, Northumberland, the entire of the Scottish side of the borders, Wiltshire and Doset, Northamptonshire. And Yorkshire.

    Apart from that you are on the right lines.
    I did say I was being provocative

    However, you also forget I have travelled the entire world, pretty much. So I can compare multiple places in a way 99% of PBers cannot. Half of you barely go over the Channel

    Britain, as a place to live, is falling behind quite badly, in terms of quality of life, beauty of surroundings, urban architecture

    I'm a patriot. I wish this wasn't true. But it is

    The UK has always been a crap place to live if you like nice weather. However we made up for that with quite handsome cities, free speech, a high trust society, social homogeneity, low crime, political stability, notably high incomes, lush green countryside, and clean bracing coastlines etc

    One by one we have lost and are losing all of these, which makes the UK, steadily, much less attractive

    I've noticed the scuzziness of my town worsening over the last 5-10 years.

    Lots of Turkish/Albanian barbers all over the place, lots of carers from overseas (usually sub-saharan Africa), some people with serious addiction and mental problems walking round, and a noticeable number of hijabs, which were once non-existent. And, in general, young men (in particular) in their twenties being noticeably fatter with bad beards and really shit tattoos.

    This is a market town in rural Hampshire.
    Liberal society chose abortion over adoption. The 12m immigrants since 1997 more than replacing the 10.7m aborted since 1967.

    Birth rates have collapsed even in countries where abortion is illegal. I guess you could make contraception illegal, or perhaps make it so a woman is not allowed to resist a man, but I'm not 100% sure those policies would be popular.
    Wages went down and rents went up. Hungary is giving a lifetime 25% tax cut to women who have children. Abortions are down 50% and divorce rates are lower. Liberal societies are declining while conservative societies prosper.

    Hungary spends 5% of GDP on measures to try and get its birthrate up.

    Its TFR is ... 1.52

    It's an utter failure.
    Also I thought we were trying to reduce the population..? It is hard to keep up with right wing talking points
    Reduce immigration, increase the birth rate
  • xyzxyzxyzxyzxyzxyz Posts: 109
    rcs1000 said:

    xyzxyzxyz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    xyzxyzxyz said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
    It depends where you live. Dore & Totley is staggeringly opulent.
    Indeed, which is where I live.

    A house near me.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/159141434#/?channel=RES_BUY
    Yes on Dore & Totley; it's where the nobs and the Cleggs live.

    I don't want to be too rude about that house, but it's cookie cutters 2010s footballer in a leafy bit of Cheshire with Peak District wallpaper - no character.

    Leon's just wibbling from his own lack of experience !
    I've been to Sheffield several times. It's a shithole. Most northern English post industrial citiies are, I am afraid. Grotty, ugly, declining (again), riven with new racial divides, vape shops, despair. Indeed the decline and grot is spreading south (and the south has shit-holes of its own). And the weather sucks

    I really really really wish this wasn't true, but it is. Hopefully down the line a new government can at least improve the economic sitch, and the architectural nightmare, even if they can't improve the weather

    @Cookie gives us hopeful posts from Manc, so we shall see

    There are a few acceptable places to live in the UK. Central and central ish London. The nicer suburbs of London. Posh cathedral cities (but not all of them). Cornwall and Devon in general, the nicest parts of the Home Counties and Welsh Marches, wilder bits of Scotland if you can cope with the winters and the midges. Er, Southwold?


    I hesitate to say you need to get out more, but perhaps get out different. You have missed out the whole of: Lincolnshire (have you never been to Stamford?), Cumberland and Westmorland, Yorkshire, Edinburgh, Norfolk and almost all of Suffolk, Sussex, Northumberland, the entire of the Scottish side of the borders, Wiltshire and Doset, Northamptonshire. And Yorkshire.

    Apart from that you are on the right lines.
    I did say I was being provocative

    However, you also forget I have travelled the entire world, pretty much. So I can compare multiple places in a way 99% of PBers cannot. Half of you barely go over the Channel

    Britain, as a place to live, is falling behind quite badly, in terms of quality of life, beauty of surroundings, urban architecture

    I'm a patriot. I wish this wasn't true. But it is

    The UK has always been a crap place to live if you like nice weather. However we made up for that with quite handsome cities, free speech, a high trust society, social homogeneity, low crime, political stability, notably high incomes, lush green countryside, and clean bracing coastlines etc

    One by one we have lost and are losing all of these, which makes the UK, steadily, much less attractive

    I've noticed the scuzziness of my town worsening over the last 5-10 years.

    Lots of Turkish/Albanian barbers all over the place, lots of carers from overseas (usually sub-saharan Africa), some people with serious addiction and mental problems walking round, and a noticeable number of hijabs, which were once non-existent. And, in general, young men (in particular) in their twenties being noticeably fatter with bad beards and really shit tattoos.

    This is a market town in rural Hampshire.
    Liberal society chose abortion over adoption. The 12m immigrants since 1997 more than replacing the 10.7m aborted since 1967.

    Birth rates have collapsed even in countries where abortion is illegal. I guess you could make contraception illegal, or perhaps make it so a woman is not allowed to resist a man, but I'm not 100% sure those policies would be popular.
    Wages went down and rents went up. Hungary is giving a lifetime 25% tax cut to women who have children. Abortions are down 50% and divorce rates are lower. Liberal societies are declining while conservative societies prosper.

    Hungary spends 5% of GDP on measures to try and get its birthrate up.

    Its TFR is ... 1.52

    It's an utter failure.
    2010 to 2023 abortion in Hungary fell from 40,449 to 21,136. Source abort-report.eu via grok.

  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,069

    Sorry San Marino. The first song taking the piss out of Italy was better than your attempt

    What have the Italians done to upset people?
    Yes
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