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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,985
    One of Spurs or Manchester United are going to end up with more trophies this season than Arsenal and Man City.

    COMBINED.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,535
    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pagan2 said:

    HYUFD said:
    You dont care if the conservatives die as long as labour do as well?
    They aren't dead, even on that poll average the Conservatives still get 18% of the vote and 20-30 odd MPs and I would still be voting Tory even if Farage wins a majority as that poll predicts
    Fine but how does your party cope with being the fifth largest overall and the fourth largest on the Opposition benches behind Labour, the LDs and the SNP?

    The LDs are used to irrelevance and being ignored - the Conservatives aren't. They've either been the Government or the lead Opposition party since 1832.
    The LDs were in government ten years ago and Starmer would almost certainly need their confidence and supply to be re elected.

    Farage if he fails to win a majority would also likewise need Tory confidence and supply.

    If we went to PR the Tories and LDs would then normally be Kingmakers between Reform and Labour
    You've mentioned this but the truth is ten years ago is ancient history given everything that has happened since then. You're on your fifth leader since Cameron - the LDs are on their third.

    The Conservatives still have over 4,000 Councillors - they were spared losses among the 316 County Councillors in the nine authorities whose elections were postponed but they will be electing Shadow Authorities next May. They have 400 in London - it's perfectly possible the next round of locals will see more losses.

    In Warwickshire, the Conservatives supported the election of a Reform Council leader but Badenoch has said no deals at Westminster level so presumably the Conservatives left after the next election won't be backing a Reform minority administration.

    Do you think they should? IF the Conservatives say they will support a minority Reform Government before the election, why should anyone wanting Reform vote Tory? Why should anyone not wanting Reform vote Conservative?
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,616
    Well done, Palace
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,582
    Back to the header (how irregular!). Are there any tracks by TSE's list of band or other obvious big names that you'd have as nailed on certainties to win Eurovision?

    Would 'Paint it Black' win?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,647

    Leon said:

    Interesting take on Gaga-gate

    "Way back in 2016 when journalists/pundits/blue-checks (2016 version) were going crazy with "How did Trump possibly win" and offering up all sorts of crazy atavistic explanations, a few of us who had actually talked to voters before this, and so were not surprised, said, "Well, a whole lot of the country thinks the system is corrupt and you elites now screaming are who they think are the most corrupted," and they thought about that for a moment and said, "Naaaaaaah, American voters are dirty racist idiots and we don't need to change a bit,"

    "And then they go and pull off the whole Biden isn't senile thing—which is more and more looking like they covered for a deeply detached and mentally incompetent president while a cadre of unelected bureaucrats could run stuff the way they wanted to run stuff and then they kept trying to do this telling whoever pointed it out that Biden sure looked out of it that no, don't believe your eyes, no you instead were lying misinformation spreaders who needed more education and were fascists as well, which because Biden was now so clearly a zombie that no amount of their usual big word lying could hide they got caught, and the result is the very person they hate the most, Trump, got elected again.

    It really boggles the mind that a group could be lacking this much self awareness, this incompetent, and keep on stepping on rakes they way they do, all without suffering any consequences or moral reflection"


    https://x.com/Chris_arnade/status/1923691545867264105

    Newly released audio appears to confirm Biden’s memory lapses in 2023
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/17/audio-biden-memory-lapses
    Even that Guardian article, admitting that Biden WAS gaga and that the Dems obviously lied about all this, tries to Whatabout the subject by referring to Trump's mad statements and many gaffes

    Yes, Donald Trump does say stupid shit. But this story is not about Trump. It is about how the Democrats conspired to hide, from the entirety of the USA, the fact that a sitting US president was incapable of doing the job. Worse, they then tried to get him re-elected, with this hidden knowledge

    You can't "whatabout" that. You have to confront it, honestly

    There must be a case for criminal prosecutions
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,580

    Just watched today's Doctor Who.

    Massive sex wee time.

    Don't drop any spoilers just yet. I'm watching it at 19:10. On iPlayer admittedly, but.

    Although I do know [REDACTED] returns thanks to a non-spoiler review that was a bit spoilery. Plus the plot leaked online. Plus the dialogue leaked from the French subtitles leak anyway. But I don't want it spoilt any more

    (narrator: the plot of every Doctor Who series since at least Jodie's first season has leaked on line, and the fandom spend months trying to deny it)
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,092

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/AaronBastani/status/1923730484644749371

    Really striking that Reform are doing a number of things the Labour establishment denigrated:

    1) They want to build a mass member party

    2) They have lots of rallies.

    3) They see the value in offline social spaces (a reform pub?!)

    4) They want a pipeline from youth activism.

    Bastani seems to be tip-toeing towards Reform.

    Whatever pays the rent, I suppose.
    It is so typical of you to see it in that way. You cannot possibly accept that Bastani is open-minded and intelligent and therefore takes things as he sees them, and tells the truth as he views it, even if it is "uncomfortable" for the Woke Left

    Quite frankly, Labour would be doing vastly better if they had seven hundred Aaron Bastanis as MPs and wonks and activists, rather than the utter shower of wankers they have at the moment
    He's ok. But no doesn't "tell the truth as he sees it". He just tries to get attention.
    You are such a hapless dork. But it's OK. There's room for dorks, even a need for them, sometimes
    A wise dork actually. As in being wise to the MO of these opinion mongers. It's about gaining and monetising attention not (lol) "telling the truth as they see it".

    You're saying that about this particular monger purely because he's saying stuff here that you happen to like.
    No, I'm not. I admire people who look at something and offer an unexpected worldview, it shows they are REALLY thinking

    Here's an opposing example. Jacob Rees Mogg says we should bring back Shamima Begum, as she is our responsibility

    https://www.ft.com/content/dcc420ce-88ac-4288-a0bf-e71dbb119725

    I couldn't disagree more. My opinion of Ms Begum is that we should hand her over to be tried by the Kurds or Yazidis - as they were her victims - and if they decide to execute her, so be it. It is their choice. Whatever. She is despicable

    Nonetheless I admire JRM for adopting a highly unexpected opinion and arguing it logically. He made me think again, even if in the end I still disagree with him, vehemently
    You're just virtue signaling. JRM didn't for one second make you reconsider about Begum. In general, straining to be different and "unexpected" does not map to free intelligent thinking.
    Yep, you're still tedious
    You dislike being sussed, don't you. Get irritated.
    And yet I am right, aren't I? You haven't had an original thought in 30 years and you haven't changed your opinion since you were 21. Sometimes this reality is visible on your tiny radar of self-awareness, and it vaguely troubles you, yet you're not sure why, so you look away, and forget about it. Like someone ignoring a malignant symptom

    And then you trot out the same opinions again
    The tragedy is that he genuinely thinks he's quite bright.
    I'm actually quite unusual in being slightly brighter than I think I am.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,167
    Taz said:

    carnforth said:

    Second man arrested over Starmer fires:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3e540k8xepo

    George Galloway has an outlandish theory which I won't repeat here. I feel he gets worse every year.

    Everyone goes to Twitter to read it now !!

    It may be foolish as Starmer has been litigious to protect his good name in the past, rightly so.
    Goodness!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,092
    Absolutely massive (!) for Croydon. What a sport football is.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,580
    edited May 17
    Omnium said:

    Back to the header (how irregular!). Are there any tracks by TSE's list of band or other obvious big names that you'd have as nailed on certainties to win Eurovision?

    Would 'Paint it Black' win?

    I think Oasis would give it a go.

    Depeche Mode "Never Let Me Down Again" would beat it to a pulp, but they wouldn't do it because they won't do it if there's no money involved (they turned down Live Aid, remember?)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,624
    edited May 17
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pagan2 said:

    HYUFD said:
    You dont care if the conservatives die as long as labour do as well?
    They aren't dead, even on that poll average the Conservatives still get 18% of the vote and 20-30 odd MPs and I would still be voting Tory even if Farage wins a majority as that poll predicts
    Fine but how does your party cope with being the fifth largest overall and the fourth largest on the Opposition benches behind Labour, the LDs and the SNP?

    The LDs are used to irrelevance and being ignored - the Conservatives aren't. They've either been the Government or the lead Opposition party since 1832.
    The LDs were in government ten years ago and Starmer would almost certainly need their confidence and supply to be re elected.

    Farage if he fails to win a majority would also likewise need Tory confidence and supply.

    If we went to PR the Tories and LDs would then normally be Kingmakers between Reform and Labour
    You've mentioned this but the truth is ten years ago is ancient history given everything that has happened since then. You're on your fifth leader since Cameron - the LDs are on their third.

    The Conservatives still have over 4,000 Councillors - they were spared losses among the 316 County Councillors in the nine authorities whose elections were postponed but they will be electing Shadow Authorities next May. They have 400 in London - it's perfectly possible the next round of locals will see more losses.

    In Warwickshire, the Conservatives supported the election of a Reform Council leader but Badenoch has said no deals at Westminster level so presumably the Conservatives left after the next election won't be backing a Reform minority administration.

    Do you think they should? IF the Conservatives say they will support a minority Reform Government before the election, why should anyone wanting Reform vote Tory? Why should anyone not wanting Reform vote Conservative?
    Before a general election you correctly don't commit to back any party until you see if there is a hung parliament and if so the arithmetic of it.

    In Warwickshire the Conservatives only supported the leader of Reform on a confidence and supply basis AFTER the county election and Reform had won most seats, so a completely different scenario.

    Shadow authority elections in Essex by the way aren't due until 2027 at the earliest, only the Mayor election will be next year
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,421
    Is it weird that I completely ignore the first half of Eurovision but tend to tune in just to watch the voting?
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,183

    Is it weird that I completely ignore the first half of Eurovision but tend to tune in just to watch the voting?

    That’s like having a sex life that is just orgasm and no foreplay.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,853
    edited May 17
    Andy_JS said:

    "Top 21 Tom Cruise Films

    21.Top Gun
    20.The Firm
    19.The Color of Money
    18.Edge of Tomorrow
    17.Interview with the Vampire
    16.Mission: Impossible — Ghost Protocol
    15.Rain Main
    14.Mission: Impossible — Fallout
    13.Born on the Fourth of July
    12.Risky Business
    11.War of the Worlds
    10.A Few Good Men
    9. Jerry Maguire
    8. Mission: Impossible — The Final Reckoning
    7. Minority Report
    6. Mission: Impossible — Dead Reckoning
    5. Mission: Impossible
    4. Collateral
    3. Magnolia
    2. Eyes Wide Shut
    1. Top Gun: Maverick"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/tom-cruise-best-films-ranked/

    The bets Mission Impossible movie, and I've watched all of them (except the new one), in the last month is Rogue Nation. And it isn't even close. Rebecca Ferguson's first outing - when she is (a) ambiguous, and (b) muscly rather than emaciated - is superb. It's got some of the series best action sequences (the Moroccan bike chase being a particular favorite of mine), it's got only a slightly absurd plot, and it's got Tom Hollander as the Prime Minister.

    Also; Eyes Wide Shut is not the second best anything. I mean, she is absolutely gorgeous in it, but the movie itself is pedestrian.

    I would rate Collateral as Cruise's best movie, and I would rate the original Top Gun ahead of Maverick.

    ---

    Edit to add: I will take failure to either (a) Like this post, or (b) cogently explain why I am wrong, as a sign that you have no redeeming features whatsoever.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,092

    Is it weird that I completely ignore the first half of Eurovision but tend to tune in just to watch the voting?

    Not at all. I watch it all but the voting is the best bit.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,650
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Interesting take on Gaga-gate

    "Way back in 2016 when journalists/pundits/blue-checks (2016 version) were going crazy with "How did Trump possibly win" and offering up all sorts of crazy atavistic explanations, a few of us who had actually talked to voters before this, and so were not surprised, said, "Well, a whole lot of the country thinks the system is corrupt and you elites now screaming are who they think are the most corrupted," and they thought about that for a moment and said, "Naaaaaaah, American voters are dirty racist idiots and we don't need to change a bit,"

    "And then they go and pull off the whole Biden isn't senile thing—which is more and more looking like they covered for a deeply detached and mentally incompetent president while a cadre of unelected bureaucrats could run stuff the way they wanted to run stuff and then they kept trying to do this telling whoever pointed it out that Biden sure looked out of it that no, don't believe your eyes, no you instead were lying misinformation spreaders who needed more education and were fascists as well, which because Biden was now so clearly a zombie that no amount of their usual big word lying could hide they got caught, and the result is the very person they hate the most, Trump, got elected again.

    It really boggles the mind that a group could be lacking this much self awareness, this incompetent, and keep on stepping on rakes they way they do, all without suffering any consequences or moral reflection"


    https://x.com/Chris_arnade/status/1923691545867264105

    Newly released audio appears to confirm Biden’s memory lapses in 2023
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/17/audio-biden-memory-lapses
    Even that Guardian article, admitting that Biden WAS gaga and that the Dems obviously lied about all this, tries to Whatabout the subject by referring to Trump's mad statements and many gaffes

    Yes, Donald Trump does say stupid shit. But this story is not about Trump. It is about how the Democrats conspired to hide, from the entirety of the USA, the fact that a sitting US president was incapable of doing the job. Worse, they then tried to get him re-elected, with this hidden knowledge

    You can't "whatabout" that. You have to confront it, honestly

    There must be a case for criminal prosecutions
    As was said last autumn, if it weren't for Biden, people would have been all over Trump's marble-deficit moments.

    And it has probably happened here: Churchill, Thatcher, maybe even post-Covid Boris? Wilson got out in time and I expect Starmer to do likewise.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,580
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/AaronBastani/status/1923730484644749371

    Really striking that Reform are doing a number of things the Labour establishment denigrated:

    1) They want to build a mass member party

    2) They have lots of rallies.

    3) They see the value in offline social spaces (a reform pub?!)

    4) They want a pipeline from youth activism.

    Bastani seems to be tip-toeing towards Reform.

    Whatever pays the rent, I suppose.
    It is so typical of you to see it in that way. You cannot possibly accept that Bastani is open-minded and intelligent and therefore takes things as he sees them, and tells the truth as he views it, even if it is "uncomfortable" for the Woke Left

    Quite frankly, Labour would be doing vastly better if they had seven hundred Aaron Bastanis as MPs and wonks and activists, rather than the utter shower of wankers they have at the moment
    He's ok. But no doesn't "tell the truth as he sees it". He just tries to get attention.
    You are such a hapless dork. But it's OK. There's room for dorks, even a need for them, sometimes
    A wise dork actually. As in being wise to the MO of these opinion mongers. It's about gaining and monetising attention not (lol) "telling the truth as they see it".

    You're saying that about this particular monger purely because he's saying stuff here that you happen to like.
    No, I'm not. I admire people who look at something and offer an unexpected worldview, it shows they are REALLY thinking

    Here's an opposing example. Jacob Rees Mogg says we should bring back Shamima Begum, as she is our responsibility

    https://www.ft.com/content/dcc420ce-88ac-4288-a0bf-e71dbb119725

    I couldn't disagree more. My opinion of Ms Begum is that we should hand her over to be tried by the Kurds or Yazidis - as they were her victims - and if they decide to execute her, so be it. It is their choice. Whatever. She is despicable

    Nonetheless I admire JRM for adopting a highly unexpected opinion and arguing it logically. He made me think again, even if in the end I still disagree with him, vehemently
    You're just virtue signaling. JRM didn't for one second make you reconsider about Begum. In general, straining to be different and "unexpected" does not map to free intelligent thinking.
    Yep, you're still tedious
    You dislike being sussed, don't you. Get irritated.
    And yet I am right, aren't I? You haven't had an original thought in 30 years and you haven't changed your opinion since you were 21. Sometimes this reality is visible on your tiny radar of self-awareness, and it vaguely troubles you, yet you're not sure why, so you look away, and forget about it. Like someone ignoring a malignant symptom

    And then you trot out the same opinions again
    The tragedy is that he genuinely thinks he's quite bright.
    I'm actually quite unusual in being slightly brighter than I think I am.
    I'm smart enough to know that I'm only good when I'm stealing other people's good ideas.

    Which is why I'm here, of course.... :)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,853
    Taz said:

    Is it weird that I completely ignore the first half of Eurovision but tend to tune in just to watch the voting?

    That’s like having a sex life that is just orgasm and no foreplay.
    Where do I sign up?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,582
    viewcode said:

    Omnium said:

    Back to the header (how irregular!). Are there any tracks by TSE's list of band or other obvious big names that you'd have as nailed on certainties to win Eurovision?

    Would 'Paint it Black' win?

    I think Oasis would give it a go.

    Depeche Mode "Never Let Me Down Again" would beat it to a pulp, but they wouldn't do it because they won't do it if there's no money involved (they turned down Live Aid, remember?)
    I'd never realised DM had gone that odd. I think they were one of the bands on the 'Some Bizarre Album' that I rather treated as a bible.

    Oasis would probably be an excellent choice. I like very little of what they've done, but hard to hate it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,092
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Interesting take on Gaga-gate

    "Way back in 2016 when journalists/pundits/blue-checks (2016 version) were going crazy with "How did Trump possibly win" and offering up all sorts of crazy atavistic explanations, a few of us who had actually talked to voters before this, and so were not surprised, said, "Well, a whole lot of the country thinks the system is corrupt and you elites now screaming are who they think are the most corrupted," and they thought about that for a moment and said, "Naaaaaaah, American voters are dirty racist idiots and we don't need to change a bit,"

    "And then they go and pull off the whole Biden isn't senile thing—which is more and more looking like they covered for a deeply detached and mentally incompetent president while a cadre of unelected bureaucrats could run stuff the way they wanted to run stuff and then they kept trying to do this telling whoever pointed it out that Biden sure looked out of it that no, don't believe your eyes, no you instead were lying misinformation spreaders who needed more education and were fascists as well, which because Biden was now so clearly a zombie that no amount of their usual big word lying could hide they got caught, and the result is the very person they hate the most, Trump, got elected again.

    It really boggles the mind that a group could be lacking this much self awareness, this incompetent, and keep on stepping on rakes they way they do, all without suffering any consequences or moral reflection"


    https://x.com/Chris_arnade/status/1923691545867264105

    Newly released audio appears to confirm Biden’s memory lapses in 2023
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/17/audio-biden-memory-lapses
    Even that Guardian article, admitting that Biden WAS gaga and that the Dems obviously lied about all this, tries to Whatabout the subject by referring to Trump's mad statements and many gaffes

    Yes, Donald Trump does say stupid shit. But this story is not about Trump. It is about how the Democrats conspired to hide, from the entirety of the USA, the fact that a sitting US president was incapable of doing the job. Worse, they then tried to get him re-elected, with this hidden knowledge

    You can't "whatabout" that. You have to confront it, honestly

    There must be a case for criminal prosecutions
    Prosecutions aren't necessary. The ultimate price has already been paid. Trump2. Joe hanging on was the biggest single reason it happened.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,436
    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pagan2 said:

    HYUFD said:
    You dont care if the conservatives die as long as labour do as well?
    They aren't dead, even on that poll average the Conservatives still get 18% of the vote and 20-30 odd MPs and I would still be voting Tory even if Farage wins a majority as that poll predicts
    Fine but how does your party cope with being the fifth largest overall and the fourth largest on the Opposition benches behind Labour, the LDs and the SNP?

    The LDs are used to irrelevance and being ignored - the Conservatives aren't. They've either been the Government or the lead Opposition party since 1832.
    The LDs were in government ten years ago and Starmer would almost certainly need their confidence and supply to be re elected.

    Farage if he fails to win a majority would also likewise need Tory confidence and supply.

    If we went to PR the Tories and LDs would then normally be Kingmakers between Reform and Labour
    You've mentioned this but the truth is ten years ago is ancient history given everything that has happened since then. You're on your fifth leader since Cameron - the LDs are on their third.

    The Conservatives still have over 4,000 Councillors - they were spared losses among the 316 County Councillors in the nine authorities whose elections were postponed but they will be electing Shadow Authorities next May. They have 400 in London - it's perfectly possible the next round of locals will see more losses.

    In Warwickshire, the Conservatives supported the election of a Reform Council leader but Badenoch has said no deals at Westminster level so presumably the Conservatives left after the next election won't be backing a Reform minority administration.

    Do you think they should? IF the Conservatives say they will support a minority Reform Government before the election, why should anyone wanting Reform vote Tory? Why should anyone not wanting Reform vote Conservative?
    Before a general election you correctly don't commit to back any party until you see if there is a hung parliament and if so the arithmetic of it.

    In Warwickshire the Conservatives only supported the leader of Reform on a confidence and supply basis AFTER the county election and Reform had won most seats, so a completely different scenario.

    Shadow authority elections in Essex by the way aren't due until 2027 at the earliest, only the Mayor election will be next year
    You touch there on a point not widely understood - elections in those counties have been deferred for a year, but for any that are affected by significant reorganisation, they are likely to have to be deferred again for a further year.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,580
    Andy_JS said:

    Didn't expect to read this in the Economist.

    "Europe’s free-speech problem
    J.D. Vance was right"

    https://www.economist.com

    Also:

    "Britain’s police are restricting speech in worrying ways
    Muddled laws give them wide discretion"

    "Europeans are becoming less free to say what they think
    It’s becoming dangerous to anger minority groups and politicians"

    Beat you to it Andy

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5209507/#Comment_5209507

    :)

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,092
    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/AaronBastani/status/1923730484644749371

    Really striking that Reform are doing a number of things the Labour establishment denigrated:

    1) They want to build a mass member party

    2) They have lots of rallies.

    3) They see the value in offline social spaces (a reform pub?!)

    4) They want a pipeline from youth activism.

    Bastani seems to be tip-toeing towards Reform.

    Whatever pays the rent, I suppose.
    It is so typical of you to see it in that way. You cannot possibly accept that Bastani is open-minded and intelligent and therefore takes things as he sees them, and tells the truth as he views it, even if it is "uncomfortable" for the Woke Left

    Quite frankly, Labour would be doing vastly better if they had seven hundred Aaron Bastanis as MPs and wonks and activists, rather than the utter shower of wankers they have at the moment
    He's ok. But no doesn't "tell the truth as he sees it". He just tries to get attention.
    You are such a hapless dork. But it's OK. There's room for dorks, even a need for them, sometimes
    A wise dork actually. As in being wise to the MO of these opinion mongers. It's about gaining and monetising attention not (lol) "telling the truth as they see it".

    You're saying that about this particular monger purely because he's saying stuff here that you happen to like.
    No, I'm not. I admire people who look at something and offer an unexpected worldview, it shows they are REALLY thinking

    Here's an opposing example. Jacob Rees Mogg says we should bring back Shamima Begum, as she is our responsibility

    https://www.ft.com/content/dcc420ce-88ac-4288-a0bf-e71dbb119725

    I couldn't disagree more. My opinion of Ms Begum is that we should hand her over to be tried by the Kurds or Yazidis - as they were her victims - and if they decide to execute her, so be it. It is their choice. Whatever. She is despicable

    Nonetheless I admire JRM for adopting a highly unexpected opinion and arguing it logically. He made me think again, even if in the end I still disagree with him, vehemently
    You're just virtue signaling. JRM didn't for one second make you reconsider about Begum. In general, straining to be different and "unexpected" does not map to free intelligent thinking.
    Yep, you're still tedious
    You dislike being sussed, don't you. Get irritated.
    And yet I am right, aren't I? You haven't had an original thought in 30 years and you haven't changed your opinion since you were 21. Sometimes this reality is visible on your tiny radar of self-awareness, and it vaguely troubles you, yet you're not sure why, so you look away, and forget about it. Like someone ignoring a malignant symptom

    And then you trot out the same opinions again
    The tragedy is that he genuinely thinks he's quite bright.
    I'm actually quite unusual in being slightly brighter than I think I am.
    I'm smart enough to know that I'm only good when I'm stealing other people's good ideas.

    Which is why I'm here, of course.... :)
    You're a total brainbox. Everyone knows that.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,436

    Taz said:

    Is it weird that I completely ignore the first half of Eurovision but tend to tune in just to watch the voting?

    That’s like having a sex life that is just orgasm and no foreplay.
    Some people have busy lives and need to prioritise.
    So what does it mean if I listen to the songs and then fall asleep and check the result when I wake up tomorrow?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,582
    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    Is it weird that I completely ignore the first half of Eurovision but tend to tune in just to watch the voting?

    That’s like having a sex life that is just orgasm and no foreplay.
    Some people have busy lives and need to prioritise.
    So what does it mean if I listen to the songs and then fall asleep and check the result when I wake up tomorrow?
    A clear loss of betting opportunity.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,436
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/AaronBastani/status/1923730484644749371

    Really striking that Reform are doing a number of things the Labour establishment denigrated:

    1) They want to build a mass member party

    2) They have lots of rallies.

    3) They see the value in offline social spaces (a reform pub?!)

    4) They want a pipeline from youth activism.

    Bastani seems to be tip-toeing towards Reform.

    Whatever pays the rent, I suppose.
    It is so typical of you to see it in that way. You cannot possibly accept that Bastani is open-minded and intelligent and therefore takes things as he sees them, and tells the truth as he views it, even if it is "uncomfortable" for the Woke Left

    Quite frankly, Labour would be doing vastly better if they had seven hundred Aaron Bastanis as MPs and wonks and activists, rather than the utter shower of wankers they have at the moment
    He's ok. But no doesn't "tell the truth as he sees it". He just tries to get attention.
    You are such a hapless dork. But it's OK. There's room for dorks, even a need for them, sometimes
    A wise dork actually. As in being wise to the MO of these opinion mongers. It's about gaining and monetising attention not (lol) "telling the truth as they see it".

    You're saying that about this particular monger purely because he's saying stuff here that you happen to like.
    No, I'm not. I admire people who look at something and offer an unexpected worldview, it shows they are REALLY thinking

    Here's an opposing example. Jacob Rees Mogg says we should bring back Shamima Begum, as she is our responsibility

    https://www.ft.com/content/dcc420ce-88ac-4288-a0bf-e71dbb119725

    I couldn't disagree more. My opinion of Ms Begum is that we should hand her over to be tried by the Kurds or Yazidis - as they were her victims - and if they decide to execute her, so be it. It is their choice. Whatever. She is despicable

    Nonetheless I admire JRM for adopting a highly unexpected opinion and arguing it logically. He made me think again, even if in the end I still disagree with him, vehemently
    You're just virtue signaling. JRM didn't for one second make you reconsider about Begum. In general, straining to be different and "unexpected" does not map to free intelligent thinking.
    Yep, you're still tedious
    You dislike being sussed, don't you. Get irritated.
    And yet I am right, aren't I? You haven't had an original thought in 30 years and you haven't changed your opinion since you were 21. Sometimes this reality is visible on your tiny radar of self-awareness, and it vaguely troubles you, yet you're not sure why, so you look away, and forget about it. Like someone ignoring a malignant symptom

    And then you trot out the same opinions again
    The tragedy is that he genuinely thinks he's quite bright.
    I'm actually quite unusual in being slightly brighter than I think I am.
    If Leon and you ever met, there’d be a puff of smoke and then the room would be empty??
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,580
    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/AaronBastani/status/1923730484644749371

    Really striking that Reform are doing a number of things the Labour establishment denigrated:

    1) They want to build a mass member party

    2) They have lots of rallies.

    3) They see the value in offline social spaces (a reform pub?!)

    4) They want a pipeline from youth activism.

    Bastani seems to be tip-toeing towards Reform.

    Whatever pays the rent, I suppose.
    It is so typical of you to see it in that way. You cannot possibly accept that Bastani is open-minded and intelligent and therefore takes things as he sees them, and tells the truth as he views it, even if it is "uncomfortable" for the Woke Left

    Quite frankly, Labour would be doing vastly better if they had seven hundred Aaron Bastanis as MPs and wonks and activists, rather than the utter shower of wankers they have at the moment
    He's ok. But no doesn't "tell the truth as he sees it". He just tries to get attention.
    You are such a hapless dork. But it's OK. There's room for dorks, even a need for them, sometimes
    A wise dork actually. As in being wise to the MO of these opinion mongers. It's about gaining and monetising attention not (lol) "telling the truth as they see it".

    You're saying that about this particular monger purely because he's saying stuff here that you happen to like.
    No, I'm not. I admire people who look at something and offer an unexpected worldview, it shows they are REALLY thinking

    Here's an opposing example. Jacob Rees Mogg says we should bring back Shamima Begum, as she is our responsibility

    https://www.ft.com/content/dcc420ce-88ac-4288-a0bf-e71dbb119725

    I couldn't disagree more. My opinion of Ms Begum is that we should hand her over to be tried by the Kurds or Yazidis - as they were her victims - and if they decide to execute her, so be it. It is their choice. Whatever. She is despicable

    Nonetheless I admire JRM for adopting a highly unexpected opinion and arguing it logically. He made me think again, even if in the end I still disagree with him, vehemently
    You're just virtue signaling. JRM didn't for one second make you reconsider about Begum. In general, straining to be different and "unexpected" does not map to free intelligent thinking.
    Yep, you're still tedious
    You dislike being sussed, don't you. Get irritated.
    And yet I am right, aren't I? You haven't had an original thought in 30 years and you haven't changed your opinion since you were 21. Sometimes this reality is visible on your tiny radar of self-awareness, and it vaguely troubles you, yet you're not sure why, so you look away, and forget about it. Like someone ignoring a malignant symptom

    And then you trot out the same opinions again
    The tragedy is that he genuinely thinks he's quite bright.
    I'm actually quite unusual in being slightly brighter than I think I am.
    If Leon and you ever met, there’d be a puff of smoke and then the room would be empty??
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH-Cunv9Wxk
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,985
    edited May 17
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/AaronBastani/status/1923730484644749371

    Really striking that Reform are doing a number of things the Labour establishment denigrated:

    1) They want to build a mass member party

    2) They have lots of rallies.

    3) They see the value in offline social spaces (a reform pub?!)

    4) They want a pipeline from youth activism.

    Bastani seems to be tip-toeing towards Reform.

    Whatever pays the rent, I suppose.
    It is so typical of you to see it in that way. You cannot possibly accept that Bastani is open-minded and intelligent and therefore takes things as he sees them, and tells the truth as he views it, even if it is "uncomfortable" for the Woke Left

    Quite frankly, Labour would be doing vastly better if they had seven hundred Aaron Bastanis as MPs and wonks and activists, rather than the utter shower of wankers they have at the moment
    He's ok. But no doesn't "tell the truth as he sees it". He just tries to get attention.
    You are such a hapless dork. But it's OK. There's room for dorks, even a need for them, sometimes
    A wise dork actually. As in being wise to the MO of these opinion mongers. It's about gaining and monetising attention not (lol) "telling the truth as they see it".

    You're saying that about this particular monger purely because he's saying stuff here that you happen to like.
    No, I'm not. I admire people who look at something and offer an unexpected worldview, it shows they are REALLY thinking

    Here's an opposing example. Jacob Rees Mogg says we should bring back Shamima Begum, as she is our responsibility

    https://www.ft.com/content/dcc420ce-88ac-4288-a0bf-e71dbb119725

    I couldn't disagree more. My opinion of Ms Begum is that we should hand her over to be tried by the Kurds or Yazidis - as they were her victims - and if they decide to execute her, so be it. It is their choice. Whatever. She is despicable

    Nonetheless I admire JRM for adopting a highly unexpected opinion and arguing it logically. He made me think again, even if in the end I still disagree with him, vehemently
    You're just virtue signaling. JRM didn't for one second make you reconsider about Begum. In general, straining to be different and "unexpected" does not map to free intelligent thinking.
    Yep, you're still tedious
    You dislike being sussed, don't you. Get irritated.
    And yet I am right, aren't I? You haven't had an original thought in 30 years and you haven't changed your opinion since you were 21. Sometimes this reality is visible on your tiny radar of self-awareness, and it vaguely troubles you, yet you're not sure why, so you look away, and forget about it. Like someone ignoring a malignant symptom

    And then you trot out the same opinions again
    The tragedy is that he genuinely thinks he's quite bright.
    I'm actually quite unusual in being slightly brighter than I think I am.
    Same.

    Actually I am a lot brighter than I think I am.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,092
    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/AaronBastani/status/1923730484644749371

    Really striking that Reform are doing a number of things the Labour establishment denigrated:

    1) They want to build a mass member party

    2) They have lots of rallies.

    3) They see the value in offline social spaces (a reform pub?!)

    4) They want a pipeline from youth activism.

    Bastani seems to be tip-toeing towards Reform.

    Whatever pays the rent, I suppose.
    It is so typical of you to see it in that way. You cannot possibly accept that Bastani is open-minded and intelligent and therefore takes things as he sees them, and tells the truth as he views it, even if it is "uncomfortable" for the Woke Left

    Quite frankly, Labour would be doing vastly better if they had seven hundred Aaron Bastanis as MPs and wonks and activists, rather than the utter shower of wankers they have at the moment
    He's ok. But no doesn't "tell the truth as he sees it". He just tries to get attention.
    You are such a hapless dork. But it's OK. There's room for dorks, even a need for them, sometimes
    A wise dork actually. As in being wise to the MO of these opinion mongers. It's about gaining and monetising attention not (lol) "telling the truth as they see it".

    You're saying that about this particular monger purely because he's saying stuff here that you happen to like.
    No, I'm not. I admire people who look at something and offer an unexpected worldview, it shows they are REALLY thinking

    Here's an opposing example. Jacob Rees Mogg says we should bring back Shamima Begum, as she is our responsibility

    https://www.ft.com/content/dcc420ce-88ac-4288-a0bf-e71dbb119725

    I couldn't disagree more. My opinion of Ms Begum is that we should hand her over to be tried by the Kurds or Yazidis - as they were her victims - and if they decide to execute her, so be it. It is their choice. Whatever. She is despicable

    Nonetheless I admire JRM for adopting a highly unexpected opinion and arguing it logically. He made me think again, even if in the end I still disagree with him, vehemently
    You're just virtue signaling. JRM didn't for one second make you reconsider about Begum. In general, straining to be different and "unexpected" does not map to free intelligent thinking.
    Yep, you're still tedious
    You dislike being sussed, don't you. Get irritated.
    And yet I am right, aren't I? You haven't had an original thought in 30 years and you haven't changed your opinion since you were 21. Sometimes this reality is visible on your tiny radar of self-awareness, and it vaguely troubles you, yet you're not sure why, so you look away, and forget about it. Like someone ignoring a malignant symptom

    And then you trot out the same opinions again
    The tragedy is that he genuinely thinks he's quite bright.
    I'm actually quite unusual in being slightly brighter than I think I am.
    If Leon and you ever met, there’d be a puff of smoke and then the room would be empty??
    Fission rather than fusion, I think.

    But you never know. Perhaps we could sit there quietly and share some nuts.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,436
    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/AaronBastani/status/1923730484644749371

    Really striking that Reform are doing a number of things the Labour establishment denigrated:

    1) They want to build a mass member party

    2) They have lots of rallies.

    3) They see the value in offline social spaces (a reform pub?!)

    4) They want a pipeline from youth activism.

    Bastani seems to be tip-toeing towards Reform.

    Whatever pays the rent, I suppose.
    It is so typical of you to see it in that way. You cannot possibly accept that Bastani is open-minded and intelligent and therefore takes things as he sees them, and tells the truth as he views it, even if it is "uncomfortable" for the Woke Left

    Quite frankly, Labour would be doing vastly better if they had seven hundred Aaron Bastanis as MPs and wonks and activists, rather than the utter shower of wankers they have at the moment
    He's ok. But no doesn't "tell the truth as he sees it". He just tries to get attention.
    You are such a hapless dork. But it's OK. There's room for dorks, even a need for them, sometimes
    A wise dork actually. As in being wise to the MO of these opinion mongers. It's about gaining and monetising attention not (lol) "telling the truth as they see it".

    You're saying that about this particular monger purely because he's saying stuff here that you happen to like.
    No, I'm not. I admire people who look at something and offer an unexpected worldview, it shows they are REALLY thinking

    Here's an opposing example. Jacob Rees Mogg says we should bring back Shamima Begum, as she is our responsibility

    https://www.ft.com/content/dcc420ce-88ac-4288-a0bf-e71dbb119725

    I couldn't disagree more. My opinion of Ms Begum is that we should hand her over to be tried by the Kurds or Yazidis - as they were her victims - and if they decide to execute her, so be it. It is their choice. Whatever. She is despicable

    Nonetheless I admire JRM for adopting a highly unexpected opinion and arguing it logically. He made me think again, even if in the end I still disagree with him, vehemently
    You're just virtue signaling. JRM didn't for one second make you reconsider about Begum. In general, straining to be different and "unexpected" does not map to free intelligent thinking.
    Yep, you're still tedious
    You dislike being sussed, don't you. Get irritated.
    And yet I am right, aren't I? You haven't had an original thought in 30 years and you haven't changed your opinion since you were 21. Sometimes this reality is visible on your tiny radar of self-awareness, and it vaguely troubles you, yet you're not sure why, so you look away, and forget about it. Like someone ignoring a malignant symptom

    And then you trot out the same opinions again
    The tragedy is that he genuinely thinks he's quite bright.
    I'm actually quite unusual in being slightly brighter than I think I am.
    If Leon and you ever met, there’d be a puff of smoke and then the room would be empty??
    Fission rather than fusion, I think.

    But you never know. Perhaps we could sit there quietly and share some nuts.
    That scenario really doesn't need any more nuts.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,779
    edited May 17
    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    Is it weird that I completely ignore the first half of Eurovision but tend to tune in just to watch the voting?

    That’s like having a sex life that is just orgasm and no foreplay.
    Where do I sign up?
    Well, it's hard work.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,254
    AnneJGP said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Didn't expect to read this in the Economist.

    "Europe’s free-speech problem
    J.D. Vance was right"

    https://www.economist.com

    Also:

    "Britain’s police are restricting speech in worrying ways
    Muddled laws give them wide discretion"

    "Europeans are becoming less free to say what they think
    It’s becoming dangerous to anger minority groups and politicians"

    Oo-er, maybe the Economist is going the way of the Spectator. Dangerous reading material.
    On this matter the Economist is unhelpfully saying that there is clearly something wrong with the police, who should have better things to do, but then carefully refraining from the hard job of saying what out free speech rules and laws should be in place of the ones we have got.

    Four very obvious examples: The N word; the P word; sexually crude and insulting language on a bus to a young woman; holding up cartoonish depictions of the prophet outside a mosque during Friday prayers.

    Should these be lawful or unlawful? And which? And why?

    Sadly the Economists blanket generalisations don't really discuss the tricky places where lines are to be drawn.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,582

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/AaronBastani/status/1923730484644749371

    Really striking that Reform are doing a number of things the Labour establishment denigrated:

    1) They want to build a mass member party

    2) They have lots of rallies.

    3) They see the value in offline social spaces (a reform pub?!)

    4) They want a pipeline from youth activism.

    Bastani seems to be tip-toeing towards Reform.

    Whatever pays the rent, I suppose.
    It is so typical of you to see it in that way. You cannot possibly accept that Bastani is open-minded and intelligent and therefore takes things as he sees them, and tells the truth as he views it, even if it is "uncomfortable" for the Woke Left

    Quite frankly, Labour would be doing vastly better if they had seven hundred Aaron Bastanis as MPs and wonks and activists, rather than the utter shower of wankers they have at the moment
    He's ok. But no doesn't "tell the truth as he sees it". He just tries to get attention.
    You are such a hapless dork. But it's OK. There's room for dorks, even a need for them, sometimes
    A wise dork actually. As in being wise to the MO of these opinion mongers. It's about gaining and monetising attention not (lol) "telling the truth as they see it".

    You're saying that about this particular monger purely because he's saying stuff here that you happen to like.
    No, I'm not. I admire people who look at something and offer an unexpected worldview, it shows they are REALLY thinking

    Here's an opposing example. Jacob Rees Mogg says we should bring back Shamima Begum, as she is our responsibility

    https://www.ft.com/content/dcc420ce-88ac-4288-a0bf-e71dbb119725

    I couldn't disagree more. My opinion of Ms Begum is that we should hand her over to be tried by the Kurds or Yazidis - as they were her victims - and if they decide to execute her, so be it. It is their choice. Whatever. She is despicable

    Nonetheless I admire JRM for adopting a highly unexpected opinion and arguing it logically. He made me think again, even if in the end I still disagree with him, vehemently
    You're just virtue signaling. JRM didn't for one second make you reconsider about Begum. In general, straining to be different and "unexpected" does not map to free intelligent thinking.
    Yep, you're still tedious
    You dislike being sussed, don't you. Get irritated.
    And yet I am right, aren't I? You haven't had an original thought in 30 years and you haven't changed your opinion since you were 21. Sometimes this reality is visible on your tiny radar of self-awareness, and it vaguely troubles you, yet you're not sure why, so you look away, and forget about it. Like someone ignoring a malignant symptom

    And then you trot out the same opinions again
    The tragedy is that he genuinely thinks he's quite bright.
    I'm actually quite unusual in being slightly brighter than I think I am.
    Same.

    Actually I am a lot brighter than I think I am.
    "He sets himself low standards which he consistently fails to live up to." (Ustinov or someone)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,779

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/AaronBastani/status/1923730484644749371

    Really striking that Reform are doing a number of things the Labour establishment denigrated:

    1) They want to build a mass member party

    2) They have lots of rallies.

    3) They see the value in offline social spaces (a reform pub?!)

    4) They want a pipeline from youth activism.

    Bastani seems to be tip-toeing towards Reform.

    Whatever pays the rent, I suppose.
    It is so typical of you to see it in that way. You cannot possibly accept that Bastani is open-minded and intelligent and therefore takes things as he sees them, and tells the truth as he views it, even if it is "uncomfortable" for the Woke Left

    Quite frankly, Labour would be doing vastly better if they had seven hundred Aaron Bastanis as MPs and wonks and activists, rather than the utter shower of wankers they have at the moment
    He's ok. But no doesn't "tell the truth as he sees it". He just tries to get attention.
    You are such a hapless dork. But it's OK. There's room for dorks, even a need for them, sometimes
    A wise dork actually. As in being wise to the MO of these opinion mongers. It's about gaining and monetising attention not (lol) "telling the truth as they see it".

    You're saying that about this particular monger purely because he's saying stuff here that you happen to like.
    No, I'm not. I admire people who look at something and offer an unexpected worldview, it shows they are REALLY thinking

    Here's an opposing example. Jacob Rees Mogg says we should bring back Shamima Begum, as she is our responsibility

    https://www.ft.com/content/dcc420ce-88ac-4288-a0bf-e71dbb119725

    I couldn't disagree more. My opinion of Ms Begum is that we should hand her over to be tried by the Kurds or Yazidis - as they were her victims - and if they decide to execute her, so be it. It is their choice. Whatever. She is despicable

    Nonetheless I admire JRM for adopting a highly unexpected opinion and arguing it logically. He made me think again, even if in the end I still disagree with him, vehemently
    You're just virtue signaling. JRM didn't for one second make you reconsider about Begum. In general, straining to be different and "unexpected" does not map to free intelligent thinking.
    Yep, you're still tedious
    You dislike being sussed, don't you. Get irritated.
    And yet I am right, aren't I? You haven't had an original thought in 30 years and you haven't changed your opinion since you were 21. Sometimes this reality is visible on your tiny radar of self-awareness, and it vaguely troubles you, yet you're not sure why, so you look away, and forget about it. Like someone ignoring a malignant symptom

    And then you trot out the same opinions again
    The tragedy is that he genuinely thinks he's quite bright.
    I'm actually quite unusual in being slightly brighter than I think I am.
    Same.

    Actually I am a lot brighter than I think I am.
    There are of course a few posters contemporary and historic who have the opposite problem.

    Are we up to eight now?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,082
    Congrats to Palace - well done!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,985
    Omnium said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/AaronBastani/status/1923730484644749371

    Really striking that Reform are doing a number of things the Labour establishment denigrated:

    1) They want to build a mass member party

    2) They have lots of rallies.

    3) They see the value in offline social spaces (a reform pub?!)

    4) They want a pipeline from youth activism.

    Bastani seems to be tip-toeing towards Reform.

    Whatever pays the rent, I suppose.
    It is so typical of you to see it in that way. You cannot possibly accept that Bastani is open-minded and intelligent and therefore takes things as he sees them, and tells the truth as he views it, even if it is "uncomfortable" for the Woke Left

    Quite frankly, Labour would be doing vastly better if they had seven hundred Aaron Bastanis as MPs and wonks and activists, rather than the utter shower of wankers they have at the moment
    He's ok. But no doesn't "tell the truth as he sees it". He just tries to get attention.
    You are such a hapless dork. But it's OK. There's room for dorks, even a need for them, sometimes
    A wise dork actually. As in being wise to the MO of these opinion mongers. It's about gaining and monetising attention not (lol) "telling the truth as they see it".

    You're saying that about this particular monger purely because he's saying stuff here that you happen to like.
    No, I'm not. I admire people who look at something and offer an unexpected worldview, it shows they are REALLY thinking

    Here's an opposing example. Jacob Rees Mogg says we should bring back Shamima Begum, as she is our responsibility

    https://www.ft.com/content/dcc420ce-88ac-4288-a0bf-e71dbb119725

    I couldn't disagree more. My opinion of Ms Begum is that we should hand her over to be tried by the Kurds or Yazidis - as they were her victims - and if they decide to execute her, so be it. It is their choice. Whatever. She is despicable

    Nonetheless I admire JRM for adopting a highly unexpected opinion and arguing it logically. He made me think again, even if in the end I still disagree with him, vehemently
    You're just virtue signaling. JRM didn't for one second make you reconsider about Begum. In general, straining to be different and "unexpected" does not map to free intelligent thinking.
    Yep, you're still tedious
    You dislike being sussed, don't you. Get irritated.
    And yet I am right, aren't I? You haven't had an original thought in 30 years and you haven't changed your opinion since you were 21. Sometimes this reality is visible on your tiny radar of self-awareness, and it vaguely troubles you, yet you're not sure why, so you look away, and forget about it. Like someone ignoring a malignant symptom

    And then you trot out the same opinions again
    The tragedy is that he genuinely thinks he's quite bright.
    I'm actually quite unusual in being slightly brighter than I think I am.
    Same.

    Actually I am a lot brighter than I think I am.
    "He sets himself low standards which he consistently fails to live up to." (Ustinov or someone)
    To paraphrase Niles Crane, 'I was last seen hiking up Mount Ego.'
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,254
    kinabalu said:

    Is it weird that I completely ignore the first half of Eurovision but tend to tune in just to watch the voting?

    Not at all. I watch it all but the voting is the best bit.
    Why on earth would anyone want to sit through the songs? It's like having to read all the general election literature that comes through the door as well as watching the telly from 10pm on election night.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,436
    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Is it weird that I completely ignore the first half of Eurovision but tend to tune in just to watch the voting?

    Not at all. I watch it all but the voting is the best bit.
    Why on earth would anyone want to sit through the songs? It's like having to read all the general election literature that comes through the door as well as watching the telly from 10pm on election night.
    Fantastic!
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,582

    Omnium said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/AaronBastani/status/1923730484644749371

    Really striking that Reform are doing a number of things the Labour establishment denigrated:

    1) They want to build a mass member party

    2) They have lots of rallies.

    3) They see the value in offline social spaces (a reform pub?!)

    4) They want a pipeline from youth activism.

    Bastani seems to be tip-toeing towards Reform.

    Whatever pays the rent, I suppose.
    It is so typical of you to see it in that way. You cannot possibly accept that Bastani is open-minded and intelligent and therefore takes things as he sees them, and tells the truth as he views it, even if it is "uncomfortable" for the Woke Left

    Quite frankly, Labour would be doing vastly better if they had seven hundred Aaron Bastanis as MPs and wonks and activists, rather than the utter shower of wankers they have at the moment
    He's ok. But no doesn't "tell the truth as he sees it". He just tries to get attention.
    You are such a hapless dork. But it's OK. There's room for dorks, even a need for them, sometimes
    A wise dork actually. As in being wise to the MO of these opinion mongers. It's about gaining and monetising attention not (lol) "telling the truth as they see it".

    You're saying that about this particular monger purely because he's saying stuff here that you happen to like.
    No, I'm not. I admire people who look at something and offer an unexpected worldview, it shows they are REALLY thinking

    Here's an opposing example. Jacob Rees Mogg says we should bring back Shamima Begum, as she is our responsibility

    https://www.ft.com/content/dcc420ce-88ac-4288-a0bf-e71dbb119725

    I couldn't disagree more. My opinion of Ms Begum is that we should hand her over to be tried by the Kurds or Yazidis - as they were her victims - and if they decide to execute her, so be it. It is their choice. Whatever. She is despicable

    Nonetheless I admire JRM for adopting a highly unexpected opinion and arguing it logically. He made me think again, even if in the end I still disagree with him, vehemently
    You're just virtue signaling. JRM didn't for one second make you reconsider about Begum. In general, straining to be different and "unexpected" does not map to free intelligent thinking.
    Yep, you're still tedious
    You dislike being sussed, don't you. Get irritated.
    And yet I am right, aren't I? You haven't had an original thought in 30 years and you haven't changed your opinion since you were 21. Sometimes this reality is visible on your tiny radar of self-awareness, and it vaguely troubles you, yet you're not sure why, so you look away, and forget about it. Like someone ignoring a malignant symptom

    And then you trot out the same opinions again
    The tragedy is that he genuinely thinks he's quite bright.
    I'm actually quite unusual in being slightly brighter than I think I am.
    Same.

    Actually I am a lot brighter than I think I am.
    "He sets himself low standards which he consistently fails to live up to." (Ustinov or someone)
    To paraphrase Niles Crane, 'I was last seen hiking up Mount Ego.'
    I prefer my quote, but by George it was a close thing.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,647
    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,082
    Omnium said:

    Back to the header (how irregular!). Are there any tracks by TSE's list of band or other obvious big names that you'd have as nailed on certainties to win Eurovision?

    Would 'Paint it Black' win?

    Sam Ryder came second in 2022!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,779
    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    You sure it wasn't @eadric?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,540
    My ma says I'm cleava.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,985
    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,647
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    You sure it wasn't @eadric?
    Last week a Nobel prize winner told me how clever I am, at understanding and explaining the thing he got the Nobel prize for

    So, yeah

    Just call me Mister Vindication

    *dances two nimble steps to the right, taps black cane on the dance floor*

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,779
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    You sure it wasn't @eadric?
    Last week a Nobel prize winner told me how clever I am, at understanding and explaining the thing he got the Nobel prize for

    So, yeah

    Just call me Mister Vindication

    *dances two nimble steps to the right, taps black cane on the dance floor*

    @Byronic won a Nobel Prize?

    At risk of triggering transgender wars again, are you sure it wasn't a no bell prize?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,647

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,082
    viewcode said:

    Omnium said:

    Back to the header (how irregular!). Are there any tracks by TSE's list of band or other obvious big names that you'd have as nailed on certainties to win Eurovision?

    Would 'Paint it Black' win?

    I think Oasis would give it a go.

    Depeche Mode "Never Let Me Down Again" would beat it to a pulp, but they wouldn't do it because they won't do it if there's no money involved (they turned down Live Aid, remember?)
    Never had you down as a NLMDA fan!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,002
    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Top 21 Tom Cruise Films

    21.Top Gun
    20.The Firm
    19.The Color of Money
    18.Edge of Tomorrow
    17.Interview with the Vampire
    16.Mission: Impossible — Ghost Protocol
    15.Rain Main
    14.Mission: Impossible — Fallout
    13.Born on the Fourth of July
    12.Risky Business
    11.War of the Worlds
    10.A Few Good Men
    9. Jerry Maguire
    8. Mission: Impossible — The Final Reckoning
    7. Minority Report
    6. Mission: Impossible — Dead Reckoning
    5. Mission: Impossible
    4. Collateral
    3. Magnolia
    2. Eyes Wide Shut
    1. Top Gun: Maverick"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/tom-cruise-best-films-ranked/

    The bets Mission Impossible movie, and I've watched all of them (except the new one), in the last month is Rogue Nation. And it isn't even close. Rebecca Ferguson's first outing - when she is (a) ambiguous, and (b) muscly rather than emaciated - is superb. It's got some of the series best action sequences (the Moroccan bike chase being a particular favorite of mine), it's got only a slightly absurd plot, and it's got Tom Hollander as the Prime Minister.

    Also; Eyes Wide Shut is not the second best anything. I mean, she is absolutely gorgeous in it, but the movie itself is pedestrian.

    I would rate Collateral as Cruise's best movie, and I would rate the original Top Gun ahead of Maverick.

    ---

    Edit to add: I will take failure to either (a) Like this post, or (b) cogently explain why I am wrong, as a sign that you have no redeeming features whatsoever.
    Mission Impossible is now more Bond than Bond, with none of the hang ups.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,002
    Top Gun is clearly Cruise's seminal work, as The Terminator is for Schwarznegger.

    Neither would have a major career without them, and each are also bloody good and original films.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,082

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    Indiana Jones: "Brody's got friends in every town and village from here to the Sudan, he speaks a dozen languages, knows every local custom, he'll blend in, disappear, you'll never see him again. With any luck, he's got the Grail already."

    [Cut to middle of fair in the Middle East, Marcus Brody wearing bright suit and white hat, sticking out like sore thumb]

    Marcus Brody: "Uhhh, does anyone here speak English? Or even ancient Greek?"
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,744
    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Top 21 Tom Cruise Films

    21.Top Gun
    20.The Firm
    19.The Color of Money
    18.Edge of Tomorrow
    17.Interview with the Vampire
    16.Mission: Impossible — Ghost Protocol
    15.Rain Main
    14.Mission: Impossible — Fallout
    13.Born on the Fourth of July
    12.Risky Business
    11.War of the Worlds
    10.A Few Good Men
    9. Jerry Maguire
    8. Mission: Impossible — The Final Reckoning
    7. Minority Report
    6. Mission: Impossible — Dead Reckoning
    5. Mission: Impossible
    4. Collateral
    3. Magnolia
    2. Eyes Wide Shut
    1. Top Gun: Maverick"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/tom-cruise-best-films-ranked/

    The bets Mission Impossible movie, and I've watched all of them (except the new one), in the last month is Rogue Nation. And it isn't even close. Rebecca Ferguson's first outing - when she is (a) ambiguous, and (b) muscly rather than emaciated - is superb. It's got some of the series best action sequences (the Moroccan bike chase being a particular favorite of mine), it's got only a slightly absurd plot, and it's got Tom Hollander as the Prime Minister.

    Also; Eyes Wide Shut is not the second best anything. I mean, she is absolutely gorgeous in it, but the movie itself is pedestrian.

    I would rate Collateral as Cruise's best movie, and I would rate the original Top Gun ahead of Maverick.

    ---

    Edit to add: I will take failure to either (a) Like this post, or (b) cogently explain why I am wrong, as a sign that you have no redeeming features whatsoever.
    Collateral is Cruise's best performance by a country mile in my opinion. He is genuinely menacing. It is the only time where I feel he plays a character who isn't Tom Cruise*. And he plays it very, very well.

    *For anyone who doubts me, Rich Hall can help.

    https://youtu.be/v-tU2KIAMrs?si=DeexTmyDq0CrEP5r
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,690
    algarkirk said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Didn't expect to read this in the Economist.

    "Europe’s free-speech problem
    J.D. Vance was right"

    https://www.economist.com

    Also:

    "Britain’s police are restricting speech in worrying ways
    Muddled laws give them wide discretion"

    "Europeans are becoming less free to say what they think
    It’s becoming dangerous to anger minority groups and politicians"

    Oo-er, maybe the Economist is going the way of the Spectator. Dangerous reading material.
    On this matter the Economist is unhelpfully saying that there is clearly something wrong with the police, who should have better things to do, but then carefully refraining from the hard job of saying what out free speech rules and laws should be in place of the ones we have got.

    Four very obvious examples: The N word; the P word; sexually crude and insulting language on a bus to a young woman; holding up cartoonish depictions of the prophet outside a mosque during Friday prayers.

    Should these be lawful or unlawful? And which? And why?

    Sadly the Economists blanket generalisations don't really discuss the tricky places where lines are to be drawn.
    Personally I think that going out of one's way to cause offence should be mildly illegal (punishable by a fine), as it makes everyday life harder. Crude and insulting language to a woman on a bus certainly, but the others too.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,364
    My three favourite Tom Cruise movies are Rainman, The Color of Money and A Few Good Men

    Mostly because of Dustin Hoffman, Paul Newman and Jack Nicholson
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,985
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,744
    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    You bloomin' fibber.

    You've only been on here since December 2020. I checked your stats.

    So if you can't remember how long you have been posting on PB, why should we believe your "I am a genius" claim?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,985

    Top Gun is clearly Cruise's seminal work, as The Terminator is for Schwarznegger.

    Neither would have a major career without them, and each are also bloody good and original films.

    Yup, this is the bit as 9 year old got me hooked on Top Gun and introduced me The Righteous Brothers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7YyC3Z1dbg
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,002

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Top 21 Tom Cruise Films

    21.Top Gun
    20.The Firm
    19.The Color of Money
    18.Edge of Tomorrow
    17.Interview with the Vampire
    16.Mission: Impossible — Ghost Protocol
    15.Rain Main
    14.Mission: Impossible — Fallout
    13.Born on the Fourth of July
    12.Risky Business
    11.War of the Worlds
    10.A Few Good Men
    9. Jerry Maguire
    8. Mission: Impossible — The Final Reckoning
    7. Minority Report
    6. Mission: Impossible — Dead Reckoning
    5. Mission: Impossible
    4. Collateral
    3. Magnolia
    2. Eyes Wide Shut
    1. Top Gun: Maverick"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/tom-cruise-best-films-ranked/

    The bets Mission Impossible movie, and I've watched all of them (except the new one), in the last month is Rogue Nation. And it isn't even close. Rebecca Ferguson's first outing - when she is (a) ambiguous, and (b) muscly rather than emaciated - is superb. It's got some of the series best action sequences (the Moroccan bike chase being a particular favorite of mine), it's got only a slightly absurd plot, and it's got Tom Hollander as the Prime Minister.

    Also; Eyes Wide Shut is not the second best anything. I mean, she is absolutely gorgeous in it, but the movie itself is pedestrian.

    I would rate Collateral as Cruise's best movie, and I would rate the original Top Gun ahead of Maverick.

    ---

    Edit to add: I will take failure to either (a) Like this post, or (b) cogently explain why I am wrong, as a sign that you have no redeeming features whatsoever.
    Collateral is Cruise's best performance by a country mile in my opinion. He is genuinely menacing. It is the only time where I feel he plays a character who isn't Tom Cruise*. And he plays it very, very well.

    *For anyone who doubts me, Rich Hall can help.

    https://youtu.be/v-tU2KIAMrs?si=DeexTmyDq0CrEP5r
    Fair
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,002
    Not sure I understand why Kylie Minogue is a gay icon when she's as hot as fuck, and sex on a plate.

    Am I missing anything?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,985

    My three favourite Tom Cruise movies are Rainman, The Color of Money and A Few Good Men

    Mostly because of Dustin Hoffman, Paul Newman and Jack Nicholson

    A Few Good Men like To Kill A Mockingbird and Inherit The Wind shows the importance of lawyers and how awesome they are.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,364

    My three favourite Tom Cruise movies are Rainman, The Color of Money and A Few Good Men

    Mostly because of Dustin Hoffman, Paul Newman and Jack Nicholson

    A Few Good Men like To Kill A Mockingbird and Inherit The Wind shows the importance of lawyers and how awesome they are.
    Imagine if you could live up to that standard
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,744

    Top Gun is clearly Cruise's seminal work, as The Terminator is for Schwarznegger.

    Neither would have a major career without them, and each are also bloody good and original films.

    Did you mean Terminator 2?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,985

    Not sure I understand why Kylie Minogue is a gay icon when she's as hot as fuck, and sex on a plate.

    Am I missing anything?

    She embraced the gay fandom when Jason Donovan was suing people/publications for saying he was gay.

    Also don't forget the bi/lesbian fandom.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,002
    OK. I've just watched one of her songs on YouTube and there are lots of male background singers in hot pants.

    Maybe that explains it.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,582

    My three favourite Tom Cruise movies are Rainman, The Color of Money and A Few Good Men

    Mostly because of Dustin Hoffman, Paul Newman and Jack Nicholson

    A Few Good Men like To Kill A Mockingbird and Inherit The Wind shows the importance of lawyers and how awesome they are.
    A Few Good Men has to be Cruises best film. Twelve Angry Men the best film about lawyers.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,985
    Omnium said:

    My three favourite Tom Cruise movies are Rainman, The Color of Money and A Few Good Men

    Mostly because of Dustin Hoffman, Paul Newman and Jack Nicholson

    A Few Good Men like To Kill A Mockingbird and Inherit The Wind shows the importance of lawyers and how awesome they are.
    A Few Good Men has to be Cruises best film. Twelve Angry Men the best film about lawyers.
    Isn't Twelve Angry Men a film more about jurors.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,985

    My three favourite Tom Cruise movies are Rainman, The Color of Money and A Few Good Men

    Mostly because of Dustin Hoffman, Paul Newman and Jack Nicholson

    A Few Good Men like To Kill A Mockingbird and Inherit The Wind shows the importance of lawyers and how awesome they are.
    Imagine if you could live up to that standard
    At work I frequently use the phrase 'You can't handle the truth' less frequently I give orders for a code red to people who annoy me.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,669
    Tory MP backing Farage here

    In Parliament this week, when an MP said the Channel crossings meant terrorists coming here Labour MPs laughed and jeered.

    https://x.com/nj_timothy/status/1923803940983869577?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,744

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Top 21 Tom Cruise Films

    21.Top Gun
    20.The Firm
    19.The Color of Money
    18.Edge of Tomorrow
    17.Interview with the Vampire
    16.Mission: Impossible — Ghost Protocol
    15.Rain Main
    14.Mission: Impossible — Fallout
    13.Born on the Fourth of July
    12.Risky Business
    11.War of the Worlds
    10.A Few Good Men
    9. Jerry Maguire
    8. Mission: Impossible — The Final Reckoning
    7. Minority Report
    6. Mission: Impossible — Dead Reckoning
    5. Mission: Impossible
    4. Collateral
    3. Magnolia
    2. Eyes Wide Shut
    1. Top Gun: Maverick"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/tom-cruise-best-films-ranked/

    The bets Mission Impossible movie, and I've watched all of them (except the new one), in the last month is Rogue Nation. And it isn't even close. Rebecca Ferguson's first outing - when she is (a) ambiguous, and (b) muscly rather than emaciated - is superb. It's got some of the series best action sequences (the Moroccan bike chase being a particular favorite of mine), it's got only a slightly absurd plot, and it's got Tom Hollander as the Prime Minister.

    Also; Eyes Wide Shut is not the second best anything. I mean, she is absolutely gorgeous in it, but the movie itself is pedestrian.

    I would rate Collateral as Cruise's best movie, and I would rate the original Top Gun ahead of Maverick.

    ---

    Edit to add: I will take failure to either (a) Like this post, or (b) cogently explain why I am wrong, as a sign that you have no redeeming features whatsoever.
    Collateral is Cruise's best performance by a country mile in my opinion. He is genuinely menacing. It is the only time where I feel he plays a character who isn't Tom Cruise*. And he plays it very, very well.

    *For anyone who doubts me, Rich Hall can help.

    https://youtu.be/v-tU2KIAMrs?si=DeexTmyDq0CrEP5r
    Fair
    In Collateral, Cruise outshines Jamie Foxx, which is no mean feat.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,012

    Top Gun is clearly Cruise's seminal work, as The Terminator is for Schwarznegger.

    Neither would have a major career without them, and each are also bloody good and original films.

    Indeed, and just like Terminator, the second in the series is better than the first one. Top gun maverick is one of the best action movies of all time.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,985
    Tom Cruise was very good in Valkyrie, he was also massively underrated in Tropic Thunder.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,002

    Top Gun is clearly Cruise's seminal work, as The Terminator is for Schwarznegger.

    Neither would have a major career without them, and each are also bloody good and original films.

    Did you mean Terminator 2?
    No, The Terminator is a better film.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,744
    isam said:

    Tory MP backing Farage here

    In Parliament this week, when an MP said the Channel crossings meant terrorists coming here Labour MPs laughed and jeered.

    https://x.com/nj_timothy/status/1923803940983869577?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Don't get too excited. It's only Nick Timothy, the genius behind the 2017 General Election.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,002

    Tom Cruise was very good in Valkyrie, he was also massively underrated in Tropic Thunder.

    He was too Tom Cruise in Valkyrie, although that doesn't spoil the film.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,535
    Back to politics and polls :)

    Portugal goes to the polls tomorrow for a snap General Election following the fall of the minority PSD Government in March and it looks as though the PM Luis Montenegro may again lead the largest party but again fall short of a majority.

    Polls put his AD alliance (which is an electoral pact between the Social Democrats (PSD) and the CDS-PP party) eight pooints ahead of the Socialists (PSD) with Chega polling just under 20% in a strong third.

    Seat projections have AD on about 90 seats, the PSD on about 60 and Chega on 45 in the 230 seat Assembly of the Republic. Liberal Initiative (inclined to support AD) have 10 with minor parties the rest.

    Basically, no one is willing to work with Chega - last time PSD abstained to enable the minority AD government to take office and it may well be the same will happen so it seems probably the election will solve little and Portugal may be back at the polls before long.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,985

    isam said:

    Tory MP backing Farage here

    In Parliament this week, when an MP said the Channel crossings meant terrorists coming here Labour MPs laughed and jeered.

    https://x.com/nj_timothy/status/1923803940983869577?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Don't get too excited. It's only Nick Timothy, the genius behind the 2017 General Election.
    Nick Timothy is Kemi Badenoch's only rival when it comes to the gap between self belief and actual talent.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,779

    Omnium said:

    My three favourite Tom Cruise movies are Rainman, The Color of Money and A Few Good Men

    Mostly because of Dustin Hoffman, Paul Newman and Jack Nicholson

    A Few Good Men like To Kill A Mockingbird and Inherit The Wind shows the importance of lawyers and how awesome they are.
    A Few Good Men has to be Cruises best film. Twelve Angry Men the best film about lawyers.
    Isn't Twelve Angry Men a film more about jurors.
    If 12 Angry Men had been shown to the prosecution lawyer, he would have got the judge to declare a mistrial.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,647

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Top 21 Tom Cruise Films

    21.Top Gun
    20.The Firm
    19.The Color of Money
    18.Edge of Tomorrow
    17.Interview with the Vampire
    16.Mission: Impossible — Ghost Protocol
    15.Rain Main
    14.Mission: Impossible — Fallout
    13.Born on the Fourth of July
    12.Risky Business
    11.War of the Worlds
    10.A Few Good Men
    9. Jerry Maguire
    8. Mission: Impossible — The Final Reckoning
    7. Minority Report
    6. Mission: Impossible — Dead Reckoning
    5. Mission: Impossible
    4. Collateral
    3. Magnolia
    2. Eyes Wide Shut
    1. Top Gun: Maverick"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/tom-cruise-best-films-ranked/

    The bets Mission Impossible movie, and I've watched all of them (except the new one), in the last month is Rogue Nation. And it isn't even close. Rebecca Ferguson's first outing - when she is (a) ambiguous, and (b) muscly rather than emaciated - is superb. It's got some of the series best action sequences (the Moroccan bike chase being a particular favorite of mine), it's got only a slightly absurd plot, and it's got Tom Hollander as the Prime Minister.

    Also; Eyes Wide Shut is not the second best anything. I mean, she is absolutely gorgeous in it, but the movie itself is pedestrian.

    I would rate Collateral as Cruise's best movie, and I would rate the original Top Gun ahead of Maverick.

    ---

    Edit to add: I will take failure to either (a) Like this post, or (b) cogently explain why I am wrong, as a sign that you have no redeeming features whatsoever.
    Mission Impossible is now more Bond than Bond, with none of the hang ups.
    I don't understand why the chase sequence in Jurassic Park: Dominion - is not more celebrated

    It's a fabulous chase, celebrating all the cliches, yet reviving them, PLUS it has DINOSAURS

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHiKVGSko9o
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,398
    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Top 21 Tom Cruise Films

    21.Top Gun
    20.The Firm
    19.The Color of Money
    18.Edge of Tomorrow
    17.Interview with the Vampire
    16.Mission: Impossible — Ghost Protocol
    15.Rain Main
    14.Mission: Impossible — Fallout
    13.Born on the Fourth of July
    12.Risky Business
    11.War of the Worlds
    10.A Few Good Men
    9. Jerry Maguire
    8. Mission: Impossible — The Final Reckoning
    7. Minority Report
    6. Mission: Impossible — Dead Reckoning
    5. Mission: Impossible
    4. Collateral
    3. Magnolia
    2. Eyes Wide Shut
    1. Top Gun: Maverick"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/tom-cruise-best-films-ranked/

    The bets Mission Impossible movie, and I've watched all of them (except the new one), in the last month is Rogue Nation. And it isn't even close. Rebecca Ferguson's first outing - when she is (a) ambiguous, and (b) muscly rather than emaciated - is superb. It's got some of the series best action sequences (the Moroccan bike chase being a particular favorite of mine), it's got only a slightly absurd plot, and it's got Tom Hollander as the Prime Minister.

    Also; Eyes Wide Shut is not the second best anything. I mean, she is absolutely gorgeous in it, but the movie itself is pedestrian.

    I would rate Collateral as Cruise's best movie, and I would rate the original Top Gun ahead of Maverick.

    ---

    Edit to add: I will take failure to either (a) Like this post, or (b) cogently explain why I am wrong, as a sign that you have no redeeming features whatsoever.
    Top Gun was Cruise’s best gay movie.

    Collateral was excellent.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,340
    Omnium said:

    My three favourite Tom Cruise movies are Rainman, The Color of Money and A Few Good Men

    Mostly because of Dustin Hoffman, Paul Newman and Jack Nicholson

    A Few Good Men like To Kill A Mockingbird and Inherit The Wind shows the importance of lawyers and how awesome they are.
    A Few Good Men has to be Cruises best film. Twelve Angry Men the best film about lawyers.
    The scenes between Nicholson and Cruise in A few good men are some of the very best court scenes ever made with superb acting on both sides. I agree it is his best film although The Firm is also very good.

    12 angry men is an absolute classic but its not about lawyers at all, indeed they do not come out of it at all well having screwed up both the prosecution and the defence.

    My all time favourite film about a court case has to be My Cousin Vinny with Joe Pesci and the late great Fred Gwynne. It's just hysterical.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,002
    IT IS STARTING
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,012

    Not sure I understand why Kylie Minogue is a gay icon when she's as hot as fuck, and sex on a plate.

    Am I missing anything?

    Iirc she was one of the first major artists to play gay venues when it was seen as quite taboo/subversive and potentially career ending in this country and her home country to be associated with gay people.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,398
    You know who else talks about other people’s low IQs… ?

    Trump: Biden is a vicious person. Biden is a stupid person. He’s a low IQ person but he’s vicious and that’s a bad combination.

    Donald Trump is a textbook example of psychological projection.

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1923112109333758316
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,082
    Here we go again! Another Eurovision!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,002
    Starts with a bloke in a dress.

    Sigh
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,647

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I'm so clever that only I understand how clever I am

    Inter alia, this explains the last twenty years of conversation on PB

    I'm not even joking. I asked the cleverest person I know (me) how clever I am, and that person confirmed it

    I can speak the following languages.

    English, Latin, Greek, German, French, Urdu, Punjabi, and American.

    That is the sign of true intelligence.
    And yet, you live in..... Sheffield
    Yeah, I could be one of those sad Londoners who live in a million pound shoe box or I can live in a very nice house.

    Tough choice.


    There are many markers of high intelligence. "Living in Sheffield" is, I fear, not one of them

    There is a story of Queen Victoria on the royal train heading north to Balmoral. Apparently she loved all the varying views. However as the train pulled into Sheffield she would ask her equerry to close the curtains, and not open them until the regal train had entirely exited Sheffield
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,071

    Starts with a bloke in a dress.

    Sigh

    Starts with a bloke in a dress.

    Sigh

    Wish I’d been wearing a frock today. Would have enabled a nice breeze in the Trossachs
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,082
    Last year's winner, Nemo's music video is set on a train, so gets top marks from me :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiGDvM14Kwg&t=6s
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,021

    isam said:

    Tory MP backing Farage here

    In Parliament this week, when an MP said the Channel crossings meant terrorists coming here Labour MPs laughed and jeered.

    https://x.com/nj_timothy/status/1923803940983869577?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Don't get too excited. It's only Nick Timothy, the genius behind the 2017 General Election.
    Did he encourage May to put care home financing in the manifesto, or try to dissuade her? That is determinative.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,580
    Well all the leaks were true, which presumably means that the leaks for the next two episodes are true, which is a great pity. This has been a banger of a season, and... well, let's wait a couple of weeks.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,398

    Omnium said:

    My three favourite Tom Cruise movies are Rainman, The Color of Money and A Few Good Men

    Mostly because of Dustin Hoffman, Paul Newman and Jack Nicholson

    A Few Good Men like To Kill A Mockingbird and Inherit The Wind shows the importance of lawyers and how awesome they are.
    A Few Good Men has to be Cruises best film. Twelve Angry Men the best film about lawyers.
    Isn't Twelve Angry Men a film more about jurors.
    Legally Blonde ?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,002
    So far I like SPAIN and LATVIA..

    Based on how they presented the flags.

    Oh, FINLAND too.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,853
    MaxPB said:

    Top Gun is clearly Cruise's seminal work, as The Terminator is for Schwarznegger.

    Neither would have a major career without them, and each are also bloody good and original films.

    Indeed, and just like Terminator, the second in the series is better than the first one. Top gun maverick is one of the best action movies of all time.
    I liked Top Gun: Maverick very much, but I wouldn't put in the top 20 action movies of all time.

    Any of the first three Bourne movies, Casino Royale and MI: Rogue Nation knock it into a cocked hat for action.

    You have to really, really like unrealistic dogfights to make it one of the top action movies of all time.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,744
    We just got a boo from the Basel crowd.

    Starmer fans please explain.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,853
    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    My three favourite Tom Cruise movies are Rainman, The Color of Money and A Few Good Men

    Mostly because of Dustin Hoffman, Paul Newman and Jack Nicholson

    A Few Good Men like To Kill A Mockingbird and Inherit The Wind shows the importance of lawyers and how awesome they are.
    A Few Good Men has to be Cruises best film. Twelve Angry Men the best film about lawyers.
    Isn't Twelve Angry Men a film more about jurors.
    Legally Blonde ?
    My daughter loves that movie. It's one the reasons I'm so keen for her to move out.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,183

    Starts with a bloke in a dress.

    Sigh

    Is it an ad for a new Jaguar ?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,071
    What, no American entry? Woke European thieves robbing Murica again
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,985

    So far I like SPAIN and LATVIA..

    Based on how they presented the flags.

    Oh, FINLAND too.

    My 20/1 tip.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,647

    We just got a boo from the Basel crowd.

    Starmer fans please explain.

    I caught a hint of a Boo as well

    What can it possibly be, now? Wales' 20 mph experiment?
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