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SystemSystem Posts: 12,471
edited May 16 in General
Doing unto Others – politicalbetting.com

“could not in conscience add to the decades-long delays many of you have already experienced due to failures to recognise the depth of your losses. Those delays have themselves been harmful.”

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  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,379
    Surprisingly first.
  • vikvik Posts: 368
    "Reform is much more of a threat to Labour in Scotland compared to the rest of the UK, according to pollster Professor Sir John Curtice.
    In an exclusive interview with The Steamie, The Scotsman’s politics podcast, Sir John said the newly-acquired support for Labour in Scotland in last year’s general election is “vulnerable”.
    He says this means Labour are more in danger of losing votes to Nigel Farage’s Reform UK in Scotland, whereas in the rest of the UK most of Reform’s vote is coming from the Conservatives."


    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nigel-farages-reform-is-more-of-a-threat-to-labour-in-scotland-says-professor-sir-john-curtice-5131742
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,379
    FPT:
    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Good morning. New poll.

    "Techne UK
    @techneUK
    ·
    12m
    📊NEW POLL: LATEST WESTMINSTER VOTER INTENTIONS

    Reform 29% (+1)
    Lab 22% (-1)
    Cons 18% (-1)
    Lib Dems 15% (+1)
    Greens 9% (=)
    SNP 2% (-1)
    Others 5% (=)

    👥 1635 Surveyed
    🔎 Field Work: 14th & 15th May 2025
    🗓️ +/- 9th May 2025
    🔗 Data: https://ll.ink/Lb52XT

    #UKPolitics"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1923325941859652075

    Gives Reform 347 MPs and a majority of 44

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=N&CON=18&LAB=22&LIB=15&Reform=29&Green=9&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTReform=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2024base
    I don't think they really would win so many seats with 29%.
    Are Reform still in favour of PR?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,601

    FPT:

    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Good morning. New poll.

    "Techne UK
    @techneUK
    ·
    12m
    📊NEW POLL: LATEST WESTMINSTER VOTER INTENTIONS

    Reform 29% (+1)
    Lab 22% (-1)
    Cons 18% (-1)
    Lib Dems 15% (+1)
    Greens 9% (=)
    SNP 2% (-1)
    Others 5% (=)

    👥 1635 Surveyed
    🔎 Field Work: 14th & 15th May 2025
    🗓️ +/- 9th May 2025
    🔗 Data: https://ll.ink/Lb52XT

    #UKPolitics"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1923325941859652075

    Gives Reform 347 MPs and a majority of 44

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=N&CON=18&LAB=22&LIB=15&Reform=29&Green=9&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTReform=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2024base
    I don't think they really would win so many seats with 29%.
    Are Reform still in favour of PR?
    Like all the others, until they have a majority from FPTP.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,379

    FPT:

    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Good morning. New poll.

    "Techne UK
    @techneUK
    ·
    12m
    📊NEW POLL: LATEST WESTMINSTER VOTER INTENTIONS

    Reform 29% (+1)
    Lab 22% (-1)
    Cons 18% (-1)
    Lib Dems 15% (+1)
    Greens 9% (=)
    SNP 2% (-1)
    Others 5% (=)

    👥 1635 Surveyed
    🔎 Field Work: 14th & 15th May 2025
    🗓️ +/- 9th May 2025
    🔗 Data: https://ll.ink/Lb52XT

    #UKPolitics"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1923325941859652075

    Gives Reform 347 MPs and a majority of 44

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=N&CON=18&LAB=22&LIB=15&Reform=29&Green=9&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTReform=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2024base
    I don't think they really would win so many seats with 29%.
    Are Reform still in favour of PR?
    Like all the others, until they have a majority from FPTP.
    If the polls look like this 12 months before the GE Labour should just push through PR. Nothing could stop them.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,428

    FPT:

    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Good morning. New poll.

    "Techne UK
    @techneUK
    ·
    12m
    📊NEW POLL: LATEST WESTMINSTER VOTER INTENTIONS

    Reform 29% (+1)
    Lab 22% (-1)
    Cons 18% (-1)
    Lib Dems 15% (+1)
    Greens 9% (=)
    SNP 2% (-1)
    Others 5% (=)

    👥 1635 Surveyed
    🔎 Field Work: 14th & 15th May 2025
    🗓️ +/- 9th May 2025
    🔗 Data: https://ll.ink/Lb52XT

    #UKPolitics"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1923325941859652075

    Gives Reform 347 MPs and a majority of 44

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=N&CON=18&LAB=22&LIB=15&Reform=29&Green=9&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTReform=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2024base
    I don't think they really would win so many seats with 29%.
    Are Reform still in favour of PR?
    Like all the others, until they have a majority from FPTP.
    If the polls look like this 12 months before the GE Labour should just push through PR. Nothing could stop them.
    There'll be enough belief in Labour they can come back for that not to happen.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,939

    FPT:

    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Good morning. New poll.

    "Techne UK
    @techneUK
    ·
    12m
    📊NEW POLL: LATEST WESTMINSTER VOTER INTENTIONS

    Reform 29% (+1)
    Lab 22% (-1)
    Cons 18% (-1)
    Lib Dems 15% (+1)
    Greens 9% (=)
    SNP 2% (-1)
    Others 5% (=)

    👥 1635 Surveyed
    🔎 Field Work: 14th & 15th May 2025
    🗓️ +/- 9th May 2025
    🔗 Data: https://ll.ink/Lb52XT

    #UKPolitics"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1923325941859652075

    Gives Reform 347 MPs and a majority of 44

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=N&CON=18&LAB=22&LIB=15&Reform=29&Green=9&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTReform=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2024base
    I don't think they really would win so many seats with 29%.
    Are Reform still in favour of PR?
    Like all the others, until they have a majority from FPTP.
    If the polls look like this 12 months before the GE Labour should just push through PR. Nothing could stop them.
    The Lords could.

    The Salisbury-Addison convention won't apply.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,379
    FPT:
    Andy_JS said:

    Tragic fire at Bicester airfield. Used to live nearby and flown from there.

    As well as the awful loss of life, a lot of small specialist businesses will be wiped out.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx2r5mrv2n0t

    If this is the same place as Bicester gliding field I've been there once or twice. Horrible.
    It is the same place.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,379
    Pulpstar said:

    FPT:

    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Good morning. New poll.

    "Techne UK
    @techneUK
    ·
    12m
    📊NEW POLL: LATEST WESTMINSTER VOTER INTENTIONS

    Reform 29% (+1)
    Lab 22% (-1)
    Cons 18% (-1)
    Lib Dems 15% (+1)
    Greens 9% (=)
    SNP 2% (-1)
    Others 5% (=)

    👥 1635 Surveyed
    🔎 Field Work: 14th & 15th May 2025
    🗓️ +/- 9th May 2025
    🔗 Data: https://ll.ink/Lb52XT

    #UKPolitics"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1923325941859652075

    Gives Reform 347 MPs and a majority of 44

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=N&CON=18&LAB=22&LIB=15&Reform=29&Green=9&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTReform=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2024base
    I don't think they really would win so many seats with 29%.
    Are Reform still in favour of PR?
    Like all the others, until they have a majority from FPTP.
    If the polls look like this 12 months before the GE Labour should just push through PR. Nothing could stop them.
    There'll be enough belief in Labour they can come back for that not to happen.
    Yeah maybe
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,370

    Surprisingly first.

    You didn't read the header then, obvs.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,581
    vik said:

    "Reform is much more of a threat to Labour in Scotland compared to the rest of the UK, according to pollster Professor Sir John Curtice.
    In an exclusive interview with The Steamie, The Scotsman’s politics podcast, Sir John said the newly-acquired support for Labour in Scotland in last year’s general election is “vulnerable”.
    He says this means Labour are more in danger of losing votes to Nigel Farage’s Reform UK in Scotland, whereas in the rest of the UK most of Reform’s vote is coming from the Conservatives."


    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nigel-farages-reform-is-more-of-a-threat-to-labour-in-scotland-says-professor-sir-john-curtice-5131742

    In last night's Clydebank by election though the SNP vote was down 16% ie down more than the Labour vote which was down 12%
    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1923301839002378506
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,248
    Good afternoon

    On assisted dying does anyone know if committing suicide under this act negates any life or pension policies that the person dying may have ?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,581

    FPT:

    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Good morning. New poll.

    "Techne UK
    @techneUK
    ·
    12m
    📊NEW POLL: LATEST WESTMINSTER VOTER INTENTIONS

    Reform 29% (+1)
    Lab 22% (-1)
    Cons 18% (-1)
    Lib Dems 15% (+1)
    Greens 9% (=)
    SNP 2% (-1)
    Others 5% (=)

    👥 1635 Surveyed
    🔎 Field Work: 14th & 15th May 2025
    🗓️ +/- 9th May 2025
    🔗 Data: https://ll.ink/Lb52XT

    #UKPolitics"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1923325941859652075

    Gives Reform 347 MPs and a majority of 44

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=N&CON=18&LAB=22&LIB=15&Reform=29&Green=9&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTReform=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2024base
    I don't think they really would win so many seats with 29%.
    Are Reform still in favour of PR?
    Like all the others, until they have a majority from FPTP.
    If the polls look like this 12 months before the GE Labour should just push through PR. Nothing could stop them.
    And Tory MPs would mostly likely vote for PR now as the best way to save their seats!
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,609

    FPT:

    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Good morning. New poll.

    "Techne UK
    @techneUK
    ·
    12m
    📊NEW POLL: LATEST WESTMINSTER VOTER INTENTIONS

    Reform 29% (+1)
    Lab 22% (-1)
    Cons 18% (-1)
    Lib Dems 15% (+1)
    Greens 9% (=)
    SNP 2% (-1)
    Others 5% (=)

    👥 1635 Surveyed
    🔎 Field Work: 14th & 15th May 2025
    🗓️ +/- 9th May 2025
    🔗 Data: https://ll.ink/Lb52XT

    #UKPolitics"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1923325941859652075

    Gives Reform 347 MPs and a majority of 44

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=N&CON=18&LAB=22&LIB=15&Reform=29&Green=9&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTReform=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2024base
    I don't think they really would win so many seats with 29%.
    Are Reform still in favour of PR?
    Like all the others, until they have a majority from FPTP.
    If the polls look like this 12 months before the GE Labour should just push through PR. Nothing could stop them.
    It would take a lot longer to draw up a new boundary commission and train the electoral staff on whichever method is chosen.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,581

    Good afternoon

    On assisted dying does anyone know if committing suicide under this act negates any life or pension policies that the person dying may have ?



    'Does life insurance cover suicide?
    Yes, most life insurance policies do cover suicide. Although, it’s usually only covered if death occurs after a set period, typically 12 or 24 months from the policy start date.

    If the policyholder takes their own life after this period, the insurer will usually pay out to the beneficiaries.'
    https://www.gocompare.com/life-insurance/suicide/
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,379

    FPT:

    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Good morning. New poll.

    "Techne UK
    @techneUK
    ·
    12m
    📊NEW POLL: LATEST WESTMINSTER VOTER INTENTIONS

    Reform 29% (+1)
    Lab 22% (-1)
    Cons 18% (-1)
    Lib Dems 15% (+1)
    Greens 9% (=)
    SNP 2% (-1)
    Others 5% (=)

    👥 1635 Surveyed
    🔎 Field Work: 14th & 15th May 2025
    🗓️ +/- 9th May 2025
    🔗 Data: https://ll.ink/Lb52XT

    #UKPolitics"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1923325941859652075

    Gives Reform 347 MPs and a majority of 44

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=N&CON=18&LAB=22&LIB=15&Reform=29&Green=9&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTReform=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2024base
    I don't think they really would win so many seats with 29%.
    Are Reform still in favour of PR?
    Like all the others, until they have a majority from FPTP.
    If the polls look like this 12 months before the GE Labour should just push through PR. Nothing could stop them.
    It would take a lot longer to draw up a new boundary commission and train the electoral staff on whichever method is chosen.
    It could... but it needn't.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,379
    Nigelb said:

    Surprisingly first.

    You didn't read the header then, obvs.
    I'm afraid I seldom read @Cyclefree's. Too long
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,428
    edited May 16

    Good afternoon

    On assisted dying does anyone know if committing suicide under this act negates any life or pension policies that the person dying may have ?

    A DC Pension pot is literally your own money, gated till the age of 55 (Raising to 57 soon). If I died by whatever means tomorrow it'd form part of my estate (I'm 43).
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,203

    FPT:

    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Good morning. New poll.

    "Techne UK
    @techneUK
    ·
    12m
    📊NEW POLL: LATEST WESTMINSTER VOTER INTENTIONS

    Reform 29% (+1)
    Lab 22% (-1)
    Cons 18% (-1)
    Lib Dems 15% (+1)
    Greens 9% (=)
    SNP 2% (-1)
    Others 5% (=)

    👥 1635 Surveyed
    🔎 Field Work: 14th & 15th May 2025
    🗓️ +/- 9th May 2025
    🔗 Data: https://ll.ink/Lb52XT

    #UKPolitics"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1923325941859652075

    Gives Reform 347 MPs and a majority of 44

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=N&CON=18&LAB=22&LIB=15&Reform=29&Green=9&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTReform=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2024base
    I don't think they really would win so many seats with 29%.
    Are Reform still in favour of PR?
    Like all the others, until they have a majority from FPTP.
    If the polls look like this 12 months before the GE Labour should just push through PR. Nothing could stop them.
    The Lords could.

    The Salisbury-Addison convention won't apply.
    The Tories in the Lords might be just as keen on PR all of a sudden too!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,819

    Nigelb said:

    Surprisingly first.

    You didn't read the header then, obvs.
    I'm afraid I seldom read @Cyclefree's. Too long
    How little time you must have in your day! I'll agree she does go on a bit, but they are never that long.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,379
    edited May 16

    Nigelb said:

    Surprisingly first.

    You didn't read the header then, obvs.
    I'm afraid I seldom read @Cyclefree's. Too long
    How little time you must have in your day! I'll agree she does go on a bit, but they are never that long.
    I confess I find them far too wordy. My failing probably.

    Plus, I feel I know what they're going to say: how awful the state/ the government / the establishment is.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,203

    FPT:

    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Good morning. New poll.

    "Techne UK
    @techneUK
    ·
    12m
    📊NEW POLL: LATEST WESTMINSTER VOTER INTENTIONS

    Reform 29% (+1)
    Lab 22% (-1)
    Cons 18% (-1)
    Lib Dems 15% (+1)
    Greens 9% (=)
    SNP 2% (-1)
    Others 5% (=)

    👥 1635 Surveyed
    🔎 Field Work: 14th & 15th May 2025
    🗓️ +/- 9th May 2025
    🔗 Data: https://ll.ink/Lb52XT

    #UKPolitics"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1923325941859652075

    Gives Reform 347 MPs and a majority of 44

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=N&CON=18&LAB=22&LIB=15&Reform=29&Green=9&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTReform=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2024base
    I don't think they really would win so many seats with 29%.
    Are Reform still in favour of PR?
    Like all the others, until they have a majority from FPTP.
    If the polls look like this 12 months before the GE Labour should just push through PR. Nothing could stop them.
    It would take a lot longer to draw up a new boundary commission and train the electoral staff on whichever method is chosen.
    Depends what the change is. Switching to AV (not a PR system) wouldn't need new boundaries and isn't difficult to count.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,425

    Nigelb said:

    Surprisingly first.

    You didn't read the header then, obvs.
    I'm afraid I seldom read @Cyclefree's. Too long
    You can paste it into the LLM of choice for a one line precis. It generally comes out as 'Blah, blah, blah. Everyone's an idiot.'
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,609

    FPT:

    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Good morning. New poll.

    "Techne UK
    @techneUK
    ·
    12m
    📊NEW POLL: LATEST WESTMINSTER VOTER INTENTIONS

    Reform 29% (+1)
    Lab 22% (-1)
    Cons 18% (-1)
    Lib Dems 15% (+1)
    Greens 9% (=)
    SNP 2% (-1)
    Others 5% (=)

    👥 1635 Surveyed
    🔎 Field Work: 14th & 15th May 2025
    🗓️ +/- 9th May 2025
    🔗 Data: https://ll.ink/Lb52XT

    #UKPolitics"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1923325941859652075

    Gives Reform 347 MPs and a majority of 44

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=N&CON=18&LAB=22&LIB=15&Reform=29&Green=9&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTReform=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2024base
    I don't think they really would win so many seats with 29%.
    Are Reform still in favour of PR?
    Like all the others, until they have a majority from FPTP.
    If the polls look like this 12 months before the GE Labour should just push through PR. Nothing could stop them.
    It would take a lot longer to draw up a new boundary commission and train the electoral staff on whichever method is chosen.
    It could... but it needn't.
    Don't get me wrong, I'm for pr. It's just which method you choose. The new senedd elections are on PR, but the threshold would be about 15%.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,211

    Good afternoon

    On assisted dying does anyone know if committing suicide under this act negates any life or pension policies that the person dying may have ?

    Probably no one thought about it
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,581

    FPT:

    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Good morning. New poll.

    "Techne UK
    @techneUK
    ·
    12m
    📊NEW POLL: LATEST WESTMINSTER VOTER INTENTIONS

    Reform 29% (+1)
    Lab 22% (-1)
    Cons 18% (-1)
    Lib Dems 15% (+1)
    Greens 9% (=)
    SNP 2% (-1)
    Others 5% (=)

    👥 1635 Surveyed
    🔎 Field Work: 14th & 15th May 2025
    🗓️ +/- 9th May 2025
    🔗 Data: https://ll.ink/Lb52XT

    #UKPolitics"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1923325941859652075

    Gives Reform 347 MPs and a majority of 44

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=N&CON=18&LAB=22&LIB=15&Reform=29&Green=9&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTReform=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2024base
    I don't think they really would win so many seats with 29%.
    Are Reform still in favour of PR?
    Like all the others, until they have a majority from FPTP.
    If the polls look like this 12 months before the GE Labour should just push through PR. Nothing could stop them.
    The Lords could.

    The Salisbury-Addison convention won't apply.
    The Tories in the Lords might be just as keen on PR all of a sudden too!
    The Lords of course generally hate populist rebellions from the oikish masses even if it has a democratic mandate (which they don't of course) hence their Lordships voted down Brexit so often despite the Leave win in the referendum.

    I am sure their Lordships would be delighted to crush Farage's peasants revolt by voting for PR so establishment politicians are better able to stitch up coalition governments themselves without populist surges to the likes of Farage, Boris and Corbyn putting populists in power with FPTP
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,379
    HYUFD said:

    Good afternoon

    On assisted dying does anyone know if committing suicide under this act negates any life or pension policies that the person dying may have ?



    'Does life insurance cover suicide?
    Yes, most life insurance policies do cover suicide. Although, it’s usually only covered if death occurs after a set period, typically 12 or 24 months from the policy start date.

    If the policyholder takes their own life after this period, the insurer will usually pay out to the beneficiaries.'
    https://www.gocompare.com/life-insurance/suicide/
    Pretty sure we had a 13 month rule when I worked for a well-known life assurer. Seems fair.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,617

    Nigelb said:

    Surprisingly first.

    You didn't read the header then, obvs.
    I'm afraid I seldom read @Cyclefree's. Too long
    You can probably get ChatGPT or similar to summarise the header. Ask Leon how.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,370

    Nigelb said:

    Surprisingly first.

    You didn't read the header then, obvs.
    I'm afraid I seldom read @Cyclefree's. Too long
    Good header.
    Though I'm not convinced by the coda:
    ..And today MPs are set to vote on a Bill which contains a clause granting total civil immunity to any medical professional even if they have acted negligently or maliciously or breached all the law’s requirements and which removes any oversight of any possible wrongful deaths. ..

    The clause gives immunity to those who have acted "in accordance with the act", which surely doesn't include "breaching all the law's requirements" ?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,836

    ‪Sunder Katwala (sundersays)‬
    @sundersays.bsky.social‬

    If Kemi Badenoch had not been born British (before her parents took her home to Nigeria that month), Tory policy is it would be better for integration - after coming as a 16 year old in 1996, to have made her wait to 2011, rather than 2001, or 2006.

    Why?

    She stood in 2010 general election, aged 31
  • vikvik Posts: 368
    HYUFD said:

    vik said:

    "Reform is much more of a threat to Labour in Scotland compared to the rest of the UK, according to pollster Professor Sir John Curtice.
    In an exclusive interview with The Steamie, The Scotsman’s politics podcast, Sir John said the newly-acquired support for Labour in Scotland in last year’s general election is “vulnerable”.
    He says this means Labour are more in danger of losing votes to Nigel Farage’s Reform UK in Scotland, whereas in the rest of the UK most of Reform’s vote is coming from the Conservatives."


    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nigel-farages-reform-is-more-of-a-threat-to-labour-in-scotland-says-professor-sir-john-curtice-5131742

    In last night's Clydebank by election though the SNP vote was down 16% ie down more than the Labour vote which was down 12%
    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1923301839002378506
    Curtice's comments are related to the next general election. His argument is that a lot of Labour's gains in Scotland in 2024 came from Unionist voters switching from Conservative to Labour, which allowed them to edge ahead of the SNP. At the next general election, a large part of these ex-Conservative voters will switch to Reform, which might result in Labour losing a lot of their Scottish seats back to the SNP.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,568
    Thought: Reform are just two gifted politicians from government


    The polls are pretty clear now. The people have had enough of Lab and Con. They are absolutely hacked off with ALL immigration - a lot of them want remigration

    The only party positioned to benefit from this is Reform. BUT Reform have one massive problem - they are entirely reliant on Farage. With him gone - and he’s not a young man - they’d be screwed

    However if they can find just a couple of good, younger politicians - a Sturgeon to Farage’s Salmond - then they will be well set

    My mind turns to Jenrick. He’s increasingly capable. He’s excellent on social media. He’s sharp and punchy and he agrees with Reform on the culture war issues

    In return he must be tempted to defect if Reform look like winning. He’d go straight to the top (under Farage) and be the likely next prime minister if/when Farage goes

    Then they need one more. A spare for the heir

    Sorted
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,142
    Good afternoon everyone - just back from my lunchtime constitutional.

    A great header, Miss @Cyclefree .

    The two things I have most noticed about Andrew Malkinson is how the system is set up to keep people who maintain their innocence in prison for longer, and how the compensation scheme - as highlighted - is deliberately designed to be abusive to victims of miscarriage of justice.

    Then we can add in the hundreds still detained in custody under the indeterminate sentences mess.

    And how politicians of all parties just seek to sweep it back under the carpet.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,581
    edited May 16
    Leon said:

    Thought: Reform are just two gifted politicians from government


    The polls are pretty clear now. The people have had enough of Lab and Con. They are absolutely hacked off with ALL immigration - a lot of them want remigration

    The only party positioned to benefit from this is Reform. BUT Reform have one massive problem - they are entirely reliant on Farage. With him gone - and he’s not a young man - they’d be screwed

    However if they can find just a couple of good, younger politicians - a Sturgeon to Farage’s Salmond - then they will be well set

    My mind turns to Jenrick. He’s increasingly capable. He’s excellent on social media. He’s sharp and punchy and he agrees with Reform on the culture war issues

    In return he must be tempted to defect if Reform look like winning. He’d go straight to the top (under Farage) and be the likely next prime minister if/when Farage goes

    Then they need one more. A spare for the heir

    Sorted

    Farage won't tolerate a rival, Jenrick included. Tice would also fancy himself as heir apparent for Reform if Farage ever did go again, after all Tice was Reform leader until Farage returned.

    Jenrick's best bet is for Farage to fail to become PM at the next GE and Kemi if she survives as Tory leader or Stride or Cleverly if she doesn't to also lose, then he is best placed to become Conservative leader and unite the right again. Ideally against a Labour and LD government so he has opposition to himself
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,836
    This, on the health care visa, is staggering.

    Cracking piece of investigative journalism.


    UK Visa Scams Squeeze Millions From Would-Be Care Workers
    Recent changes to immigration policy won’t do anything for people who’ve been exploited while seeking jobs in the UK. But they may worsen the care-worker shortage.


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2025-05-16/uk-visa-scams-squeeze-millions-from-would-be-care-workers?accessToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzb3VyY2UiOiJTdWJzY3JpYmVyR2lmdGVkQXJ0aWNsZSIsImlhdCI6MTc0NzM2ODE5NywiZXhwIjoxNzQ3OTcyOTk3LCJhcnRpY2xlSWQiOiJTV0M1VUVUMEcxS1cwMCIsImJjb25uZWN0SWQiOiIwRjUwRTk4NTlCMzk0MDI1QjBBMjMyRDAwQUUwNDI1QSJ9.rQaL0jcu53Q5xTM2gBRunI4U78w5y-uyyq-jDZEnRvE&leadSource=uverify wall
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,617
    Re the header, yes, it is scandalous that compensation has been delayed to the point money is saved by people dying before being paid, as in the contaminated blood and Post Office cases.

    The position on wrongful convictions is shameful. Both in denying compensation and in not even investigating and reversing them in a timely manner.

    The case might be undermined by some recent awards for less impactful events, especially as news reports can be misleading. £30,000 for being compared to Darth Vader, for instance. There is an element of if you want to win the lottery, play the lottery.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,836
    Leon said:

    Can we be a bit nicer to Ms @Cyclefree

    1. Her threader is as eloquent as ever - OK too prolix for some, but always articulate

    2. We aren't exactly overburderned with Lady Commenters

    3. She is, as I understand it, having a bit of a rotten time in and out of hospital

    Manners, please, gentlemen

    I'm sure @TSE will be more than happy to take new header submissions from those who value brevity at all costs.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,596
    Leon said:

    Thought: Reform are just two gifted politicians from government


    The polls are pretty clear now. The people have had enough of Lab and Con. They are absolutely hacked off with ALL immigration - a lot of them want remigration

    The only party positioned to benefit from this is Reform. BUT Reform have one massive problem - they are entirely reliant on Farage. With him gone - and he’s not a young man - they’d be screwed

    However if they can find just a couple of good, younger politicians - a Sturgeon to Farage’s Salmond - then they will be well set

    My mind turns to Jenrick. He’s increasingly capable. He’s excellent on social media. He’s sharp and punchy and he agrees with Reform on the culture war issues

    In return he must be tempted to defect if Reform look like winning. He’d go straight to the top (under Farage) and be the likely next prime minister if/when Farage goes

    Then they need one more. A spare for the heir

    Sorted

    It's a decent test of whether Farage wants to be PM, or just a Baldwinian harlot. To make the final step, he does have to surround himself with people who are capable and desirous of taking his job. (When the time is ripe, of course.)

    That might change, but it isn't the case so far.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,499
    Fair play to Jacob Rees-Mogg, who has penned an excellent FT comment piece along with Labour peer Alf Dubbs calling for an end to UK citizenship stripping and for the government to bring Shanima Begum and others affected by this policy back home.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,568
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Thought: Reform are just two gifted politicians from government


    The polls are pretty clear now. The people have had enough of Lab and Con. They are absolutely hacked off with ALL immigration - a lot of them want remigration

    The only party positioned to benefit from this is Reform. BUT Reform have one massive problem - they are entirely reliant on Farage. With him gone - and he’s not a young man - they’d be screwed

    However if they can find just a couple of good, younger politicians - a Sturgeon to Farage’s Salmond - then they will be well set

    My mind turns to Jenrick. He’s increasingly capable. He’s excellent on social media. He’s sharp and punchy and he agrees with Reform on the culture war issues

    In return he must be tempted to defect if Reform look like winning. He’d go straight to the top (under Farage) and be the likely next prime minister if/when Farage goes

    Then they need one more. A spare for the heir

    Sorted

    Farage won't tolerate a rival, Jenrick included. Tice would also fancy himself as heir apparent for Reform if Farage ever did go again, after all Tice was Reform leader until Farage returned.

    Jenrick's best bet is for Farage to fail to become PM at the next GE and Kemi if she survives as Tory leader or Stride or Cleverly if she doesn't to also lose, then he is best placed to become Conservative leader and unite the right again. Ideally against a Labour and LD government so he has opposition to himself
    And what if the polls in 2027 are the same as now? Reform around 30 or more, Tories in the teens

    Then Jenrick is fucked and he needs to defect

    Farage by then will need an heir. He's a cunning politician and presumably cunning enough to know he's gotta secure a legacy, he can only do that by recruiting younger politicians able to take over
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,596

    This, on the health care visa, is staggering.

    Cracking piece of investigative journalism.


    UK Visa Scams Squeeze Millions From Would-Be Care Workers
    Recent changes to immigration policy won’t do anything for people who’ve been exploited while seeking jobs in the UK. But they may worsen the care-worker shortage.


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2025-05-16/uk-visa-scams-squeeze-millions-from-would-be-care-workers?accessToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzb3VyY2UiOiJTdWJzY3JpYmVyR2lmdGVkQXJ0aWNsZSIsImlhdCI6MTc0NzM2ODE5NywiZXhwIjoxNzQ3OTcyOTk3LCJhcnRpY2xlSWQiOiJTV0M1VUVUMEcxS1cwMCIsImJjb25uZWN0SWQiOiIwRjUwRTk4NTlCMzk0MDI1QjBBMjMyRDAwQUUwNDI1QSJ9.rQaL0jcu53Q5xTM2gBRunI4U78w5y-uyyq-jDZEnRvE&leadSource=uverify wall

    That's the story Malmesbury has been hinting at, isn't it? The curious thing is that the government hasn't pushed it. From the Romford omnibus, it looks like decent cover to tighten things up and blame the last lot.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,370

    Nigelb said:

    Surprisingly first.

    You didn't read the header then, obvs.
    I'm afraid I seldom read @Cyclefree's. Too long
    How little time you must have in your day! I'll agree she does go on a bit, but they are never that long.
    Agreed.
    And I'm certainly not impressed by those who wear it as a badge of honour that they can't be bothered to read the header, and go on to disparage it in the same post.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,944

    Nigelb said:

    Surprisingly first.

    You didn't read the header then, obvs.
    I'm afraid I seldom read @Cyclefree's. Too long
    The length is not exactly Atlas Shrugged-esque.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,379
    Leon said:

    Can we be a bit nicer to Ms @Cyclefree

    1. Her threader is as eloquent as ever - OK too prolix for some, but always articulate

    2. We aren't exactly overburderned with Lady Commenters

    3. She is, as I understand it, having a bit of a rotten time in and out of hospital

    Manners, please, gentlemen

    I think it was only me really, I was just being honest but I apologise if I've caused offence.

    I certainly wish @Cyclefree all the best healthwise.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,617
    Leon said:

    Thought: Reform are just two gifted politicians from government


    The polls are pretty clear now. The people have had enough of Lab and Con. They are absolutely hacked off with ALL immigration - a lot of them want remigration

    The only party positioned to benefit from this is Reform. BUT Reform have one massive problem - they are entirely reliant on Farage. With him gone - and he’s not a young man - they’d be screwed

    However if they can find just a couple of good, younger politicians - a Sturgeon to Farage’s Salmond - then they will be well set

    My mind turns to Jenrick. He’s increasingly capable. He’s excellent on social media. He’s sharp and punchy and he agrees with Reform on the culture war issues

    In return he must be tempted to defect if Reform look like winning. He’d go straight to the top (under Farage) and be the likely next prime minister if/when Farage goes

    Then they need one more. A spare for the heir

    Sorted

    Reform is NOTA. Immigration is just this week's scapegoat now that Nigel Farage can no longer blame the EU, or the Conservatives for screwing up Brexit.

    Yes, voters want something done about immigration but the underlying problem – still there since Brexit was no help – is their lives and their country are a bit rubbish and getting worse. They vote NOTA because Labour and Conservatives are the TA part of NOTA. And all this would still be true if the boats stopped tomorrow.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,601

    Re the header, yes, it is scandalous that compensation has been delayed to the point money is saved by people dying before being paid, as in the contaminated blood and Post Office cases.

    The position on wrongful convictions is shameful. Both in denying compensation and in not even investigating and reversing them in a timely manner.

    The case might be undermined by some recent awards for less impactful events, especially as news reports can be misleading. £30,000 for being compared to Darth Vader, for instance. There is an element of if you want to win the lottery, play the lottery.

    If anyone wishes to compare me to Darth Vader I'm quite happy to take it on the chin at a 90% discount, £3,000 will be plenty.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,330
    HYUFD said:

    vik said:

    "Reform is much more of a threat to Labour in Scotland compared to the rest of the UK, according to pollster Professor Sir John Curtice.
    In an exclusive interview with The Steamie, The Scotsman’s politics podcast, Sir John said the newly-acquired support for Labour in Scotland in last year’s general election is “vulnerable”.
    He says this means Labour are more in danger of losing votes to Nigel Farage’s Reform UK in Scotland, whereas in the rest of the UK most of Reform’s vote is coming from the Conservatives."


    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nigel-farages-reform-is-more-of-a-threat-to-labour-in-scotland-says-professor-sir-john-curtice-5131742

    In last night's Clydebank by election though the SNP vote was down 16% ie down more than the Labour vote which was down 12%
    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1923301839002378506
    So, roughly 38:62 Nationalist to Unionist and the Nationalist wins. Having only 3 mainstream Unionist parties was obviously not giving the SNP enough of an advantage.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,379
    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:

    Surprisingly first.

    You didn't read the header then, obvs.
    I'm afraid I seldom read @Cyclefree's. Too long
    The length is not exactly Atlas Shrugged-esque.
    Quite true. It's actually come onto PB for the comments and the header is just a extra for me.

    But I am very sorry for being so grumpy and accept it's my failing and my loss not reading all of the longer headers.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,370
    Leon said:

    Can we be a bit nicer to Ms @Cyclefree

    1. Her threader is as eloquent as ever - OK too prolix for some, but always articulate

    2. We aren't exactly overburderned with Lady Commenters

    3. She is, as I understand it, having a bit of a rotten time in and out of hospital

    Manners, please, gentlemen

    Nice to to be able to agree with you again for once.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,568
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Surprisingly first.

    You didn't read the header then, obvs.
    I'm afraid I seldom read @Cyclefree's. Too long
    How little time you must have in your day! I'll agree she does go on a bit, but they are never that long.
    Agreed.
    And I'm certainly not impressed by those who wear it as a badge of honour that they can't be bothered to read the header, and go on to disparage it in the same post.
    Yes, it's boorish

    Perhaps excusable if it is done with great wit, but this is @Benpointer talking

    Whenever I am tempted to be mean about a thread header I always remind myself: someone has written this for zero money. They are not getting paid. They sat down and took time to pen several carefully thought-out paragraphs that might or might not interest, and they did it for no financial gain. These people keep the site going

    If I am not interested in a threader I simply ignore it and veer off-topic, as is traditional
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,330
    edited May 16
    On topic, I would add the cuts to benefits was a bloody weird place for the Labour party to start on cutting down the behemoth of our state.

    It was American writer and novelist Pearl Buck (1892-1973), best known for her novel, The Good Earth (winner of the Pulitzer Prize in 1932), and recipient of the Nobel Prize for literature that wrote: “Our society must make it right and possible for old people not to fear the young or be deserted by them, for the test of a civilization is the way that it cares for its helpless members.”

    Its a test that we are failing, again and again.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,568

    Leon said:

    Thought: Reform are just two gifted politicians from government


    The polls are pretty clear now. The people have had enough of Lab and Con. They are absolutely hacked off with ALL immigration - a lot of them want remigration

    The only party positioned to benefit from this is Reform. BUT Reform have one massive problem - they are entirely reliant on Farage. With him gone - and he’s not a young man - they’d be screwed

    However if they can find just a couple of good, younger politicians - a Sturgeon to Farage’s Salmond - then they will be well set

    My mind turns to Jenrick. He’s increasingly capable. He’s excellent on social media. He’s sharp and punchy and he agrees with Reform on the culture war issues

    In return he must be tempted to defect if Reform look like winning. He’d go straight to the top (under Farage) and be the likely next prime minister if/when Farage goes

    Then they need one more. A spare for the heir

    Sorted

    It's a decent test of whether Farage wants to be PM, or just a Baldwinian harlot. To make the final step, he does have to surround himself with people who are capable and desirous of taking his job. (When the time is ripe, of course.)

    That might change, but it isn't the case so far.
    Yes, I agree

    It's a very good test. And he has to pass it in the next few years

  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 906
    That was a wonderful post @Cyclefree . Every instance you describe above is an outrage and these are the kinds of things that people need to hold governments to account for.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,012
    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    Surprisingly first.

    You didn't read the header then, obvs.
    I'm afraid I seldom read @Cyclefree's. Too long
    You can paste it into the LLM of choice for a one line precis. It generally comes out as 'Blah, blah, blah. Everyone's an idiot.'
    @Benpointer - looks like you and Durex_Ace.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,568

    Leon said:

    Can we be a bit nicer to Ms @Cyclefree

    1. Her threader is as eloquent as ever - OK too prolix for some, but always articulate

    2. We aren't exactly overburderned with Lady Commenters

    3. She is, as I understand it, having a bit of a rotten time in and out of hospital

    Manners, please, gentlemen

    I think it was only me really, I was just being honest but I apologise if I've caused offence.

    I certainly wish @Cyclefree all the best healthwise.
    Fair enough

    The sun is shining. It is a beautiful day in May. We are all alive. Things could be worse

    Let's all try and be nice. OK let's all try and be nice for, ooh, 20 minutes
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,520
    MattW said:

    Good afternoon everyone - just back from my lunchtime constitutional.

    A great header, Miss Cyclefree .

    The two things I have most noticed about Andrew Malkinson is how the system is set up to keep people who maintain their innocence in prison for longer, and how the compensation scheme - as highlighted - is deliberately designed to be abusive to victims of miscarriage of justice.

    Then we can add in the hundreds still detained in custody under the indeterminate sentences mess.

    And how politicians of all parties just seek to sweep it back under the carpet.

    There's remand too, which is at an uncomfortably high levels. That's technically innocent people representing 20% of the prison population.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,601
    DavidL said:

    On topic, I would add the cuts to benefits was a bloody weird place for the Labour party to start on cutting down the behemoth of our state.

    It was American writer and novelist Pearl Buck (1892-1973), best known for her novel, The Good Earth (winner of the Pulitzer Prize in 1932), and recipient of the Nobel Prize for literature that wrote: “Our society must make it right and possible for old people not to fear the young or be deserted by them, for the test of a civilization is the way that it cares for its helpless members.”

    Its a test that we are failing, again and again.

    Perhaps we should also focus on society making it possible for the young to prosper and start a family with a little bit of security instead of funding an older rentier cohorts luxury retirement.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,370
    edited May 16
    This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.

    NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
    Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.

    The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.

    “The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.

    “This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,330

    DavidL said:

    On topic, I would add the cuts to benefits was a bloody weird place for the Labour party to start on cutting down the behemoth of our state.

    It was American writer and novelist Pearl Buck (1892-1973), best known for her novel, The Good Earth (winner of the Pulitzer Prize in 1932), and recipient of the Nobel Prize for literature that wrote: “Our society must make it right and possible for old people not to fear the young or be deserted by them, for the test of a civilization is the way that it cares for its helpless members.”

    Its a test that we are failing, again and again.

    Perhaps we should also focus on society making it possible for the young to prosper and start a family with a little bit of security instead of funding an older rentier cohorts luxury retirement.
    Yes, we should. We have moved from a country where the old were poor (apart from the truly wealthy) to where the old have more capital and disposable income than any other segment of the population and yet the triple lock remains a government priority. It really shouldn't be. Those that need targeted help should get it. Those that don't shouldn't be receiving the state largesse at all.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,581
    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    vik said:

    "Reform is much more of a threat to Labour in Scotland compared to the rest of the UK, according to pollster Professor Sir John Curtice.
    In an exclusive interview with The Steamie, The Scotsman’s politics podcast, Sir John said the newly-acquired support for Labour in Scotland in last year’s general election is “vulnerable”.
    He says this means Labour are more in danger of losing votes to Nigel Farage’s Reform UK in Scotland, whereas in the rest of the UK most of Reform’s vote is coming from the Conservatives."


    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nigel-farages-reform-is-more-of-a-threat-to-labour-in-scotland-says-professor-sir-john-curtice-5131742

    In last night's Clydebank by election though the SNP vote was down 16% ie down more than the Labour vote which was down 12%
    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1923301839002378506
    So, roughly 38:62 Nationalist to Unionist and the Nationalist wins. Having only 3 mainstream Unionist parties was obviously not giving the SNP enough of an advantage.
    My point being clearly more SNP voters went Reform than Labour voters in that seat, so Reform was actually taking significant numbers of Nationalist votes, no surprise really as Farage is more in the Salmond nationalist mould than Swinney, who looks and speaks like a mild mannered accountant
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,581
    edited May 16
    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Thought: Reform are just two gifted politicians from government


    The polls are pretty clear now. The people have had enough of Lab and Con. They are absolutely hacked off with ALL immigration - a lot of them want remigration

    The only party positioned to benefit from this is Reform. BUT Reform have one massive problem - they are entirely reliant on Farage. With him gone - and he’s not a young man - they’d be screwed

    However if they can find just a couple of good, younger politicians - a Sturgeon to Farage’s Salmond - then they will be well set

    My mind turns to Jenrick. He’s increasingly capable. He’s excellent on social media. He’s sharp and punchy and he agrees with Reform on the culture war issues

    In return he must be tempted to defect if Reform look like winning. He’d go straight to the top (under Farage) and be the likely next prime minister if/when Farage goes

    Then they need one more. A spare for the heir

    Sorted

    Farage won't tolerate a rival, Jenrick included. Tice would also fancy himself as heir apparent for Reform if Farage ever did go again, after all Tice was Reform leader until Farage returned.

    Jenrick's best bet is for Farage to fail to become PM at the next GE and Kemi if she survives as Tory leader or Stride or Cleverly if she doesn't to also lose, then he is best placed to become Conservative leader and unite the right again. Ideally against a Labour and LD government so he has opposition to himself
    And what if the polls in 2027 are the same as now? Reform around 30 or more, Tories in the teens

    Then Jenrick is fucked and he needs to defect

    Farage by then will need an heir. He's a cunning politician and presumably cunning enough to know he's gotta secure a legacy, he can only do that by recruiting younger politicians able to take over
    Why? Jenrick would neither replace Farage as leader or Tice as heir and there are younger councillors in Reform like Jaymey McIvor who also have longterm ambitions.

    If the Tories are in the teens by late next year either Jenrick replaces Kemi as Tory leader anyway, or Tory MPs replace her with Stride or Cleverly and Jenrick becomes heir apparent as Tory leader if they too lose and if Farage again fails to beat Starmer and become PM he can also start to pick up Reform votes
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,330
    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    Good afternoon everyone - just back from my lunchtime constitutional.

    A great header, Miss Cyclefree .

    The two things I have most noticed about Andrew Malkinson is how the system is set up to keep people who maintain their innocence in prison for longer, and how the compensation scheme - as highlighted - is deliberately designed to be abusive to victims of miscarriage of justice.

    Then we can add in the hundreds still detained in custody under the indeterminate sentences mess.

    And how politicians of all parties just seek to sweep it back under the carpet.

    There's remand too, which is at an uncomfortably high levels. That's technically innocent people representing 20% of the prison population.
    It was drawn to my attention that a 2023 statute came into force 2 days ago in Scotland which creates a much stronger presumption in favour of bail. There is now a 2 stage test of both a legitimate concern for the complainer AND a reasonable apprehension of further offending. The presumption that used to exist against bail in cases where someone already had a solemn conviction and was on another one has been abolished. Remanding in custody for summary charges is going to become a rare event.

    Funnily enough, there did not seem to be a line of politicians rushing to make the case for this particular change which has been slipped in unheralded.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,568
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Thought: Reform are just two gifted politicians from government


    The polls are pretty clear now. The people have had enough of Lab and Con. They are absolutely hacked off with ALL immigration - a lot of them want remigration

    The only party positioned to benefit from this is Reform. BUT Reform have one massive problem - they are entirely reliant on Farage. With him gone - and he’s not a young man - they’d be screwed

    However if they can find just a couple of good, younger politicians - a Sturgeon to Farage’s Salmond - then they will be well set

    My mind turns to Jenrick. He’s increasingly capable. He’s excellent on social media. He’s sharp and punchy and he agrees with Reform on the culture war issues

    In return he must be tempted to defect if Reform look like winning. He’d go straight to the top (under Farage) and be the likely next prime minister if/when Farage goes

    Then they need one more. A spare for the heir

    Sorted

    Farage won't tolerate a rival, Jenrick included. Tice would also fancy himself as heir apparent for Reform if Farage ever did go again, after all Tice was Reform leader until Farage returned.

    Jenrick's best bet is for Farage to fail to become PM at the next GE and Kemi if she survives as Tory leader or Stride or Cleverly if she doesn't to also lose, then he is best placed to become Conservative leader and unite the right again. Ideally against a Labour and LD government so he has opposition to himself
    And what if the polls in 2027 are the same as now? Reform around 30 or more, Tories in the teens

    Then Jenrick is fucked and he needs to defect

    Farage by then will need an heir. He's a cunning politician and presumably cunning enough to know he's gotta secure a legacy, he can only do that by recruiting younger politicians able to take over
    Why? Jenrick would neither replace Farage as leader or Tice as heir and there are younger councillors in Reform like Jaymey McIvor who also have longterm ambitions.

    If the Tories are in the teens by late next year either Jenrick replaces Kemi as Tory leader anyway, or Tory MPs replace her with Stride or Cleverly and Jenrick becomes heir apparent as Tory leader if they too lose and if Farage again fails to beat Starmer and become PM he can also start to pick up Reform votes
    You don't seem to understand

    My thesis is that the Tories might be permanently fucked. Doomed. Destroyed. We can but pray

    The polls - and the recent elections - are pointing that way. What does an ambitious political man like Jenrick do then? And he is nothing if not ambitious. What's the point in being leader of the next Lib Dems? The rump of a once great party which will probably never see power again?

    He must bide his time for now, but if the polls look terminal for Tories in 2027 - and great for Reform - then his best bet might be: defect. There must be many Tories thinking this, especially if they look doomed to lose their seats, as Tories - as quite a few do, as things stand

  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,704
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Can we be a bit nicer to Ms @Cyclefree

    1. Her threader is as eloquent as ever - OK too prolix for some, but always articulate

    2. We aren't exactly overburderned with Lady Commenters

    3. She is, as I understand it, having a bit of a rotten time in and out of hospital

    Manners, please, gentlemen

    I think it was only me really, I was just being honest but I apologise if I've caused offence.

    I certainly wish @Cyclefree all the best healthwise.
    Fair enough

    The sun is shining. It is a beautiful day in May. We are all alive. Things could be worse

    Let's all try and be nice. OK let's all try and be nice for, ooh, 20 minutes
    OK. Twenty mins is pushing it a bit, but I'll give it a go.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,609
    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    Good afternoon everyone - just back from my lunchtime constitutional.

    A great header, Miss Cyclefree .

    The two things I have most noticed about Andrew Malkinson is how the system is set up to keep people who maintain their innocence in prison for longer, and how the compensation scheme - as highlighted - is deliberately designed to be abusive to victims of miscarriage of justice.

    Then we can add in the hundreds still detained in custody under the indeterminate sentences mess.

    And how politicians of all parties just seek to sweep it back under the carpet.

    There's remand too, which is at an uncomfortably high levels. That's technically innocent people representing 20% of the prison population.
    It would be interesting to see a breakdown if the remand population against the charges.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,568

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Can we be a bit nicer to Ms @Cyclefree

    1. Her threader is as eloquent as ever - OK too prolix for some, but always articulate

    2. We aren't exactly overburderned with Lady Commenters

    3. She is, as I understand it, having a bit of a rotten time in and out of hospital

    Manners, please, gentlemen

    I think it was only me really, I was just being honest but I apologise if I've caused offence.

    I certainly wish @Cyclefree all the best healthwise.
    Fair enough

    The sun is shining. It is a beautiful day in May. We are all alive. Things could be worse

    Let's all try and be nice. OK let's all try and be nice for, ooh, 20 minutes
    OK. Twenty mins is pushing it a bit, but I'll give it a go.
    Yeah, I'm bored of this rule already, you ludicrous Lib Dem gnome
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,611

    This, on the health care visa, is staggering.

    Cracking piece of investigative journalism.


    UK Visa Scams Squeeze Millions From Would-Be Care Workers
    Recent changes to immigration policy won’t do anything for people who’ve been exploited while seeking jobs in the UK. But they may worsen the care-worker shortage.


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2025-05-16/uk-visa-scams-squeeze-millions-from-would-be-care-workers?accessToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzb3VyY2UiOiJTdWJzY3JpYmVyR2lmdGVkQXJ0aWNsZSIsImlhdCI6MTc0NzM2ODE5NywiZXhwIjoxNzQ3OTcyOTk3LCJhcnRpY2xlSWQiOiJTV0M1VUVUMEcxS1cwMCIsImJjb25uZWN0SWQiOiIwRjUwRTk4NTlCMzk0MDI1QjBBMjMyRDAwQUUwNDI1QSJ9.rQaL0jcu53Q5xTM2gBRunI4U78w5y-uyyq-jDZEnRvE&leadSource=uverify wall

    That's the story Malmesbury has been hinting at, isn't it? The curious thing is that the government hasn't pushed it. From the Romford omnibus, it looks like decent cover to tighten things up and blame the last lot.
    I’ve not been hinting.

    The facts are -

    1) the number of visa issued collapsed from 6 digits to a few thousands. In 2 years.
    2) The care industry hasn’t collapsed. Despite an epic fall in this recruitment mechanism.
    3) the government website stating the numbers says this was down to increased checks. And removing licenses from companies found to be in breach.
    3) BBC and others have reported large numbers of people being sold (illegally) visas that resulted in no job.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,330

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Can we be a bit nicer to Ms @Cyclefree

    1. Her threader is as eloquent as ever - OK too prolix for some, but always articulate

    2. We aren't exactly overburderned with Lady Commenters

    3. She is, as I understand it, having a bit of a rotten time in and out of hospital

    Manners, please, gentlemen

    I think it was only me really, I was just being honest but I apologise if I've caused offence.

    I certainly wish @Cyclefree all the best healthwise.
    Fair enough

    The sun is shining. It is a beautiful day in May. We are all alive. Things could be worse

    Let's all try and be nice. OK let's all try and be nice for, ooh, 20 minutes
    OK. Twenty mins is pushing it a bit, but I'll give it a go.
    Oh, the temptation to flag that post...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,568
    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Can we be a bit nicer to Ms @Cyclefree

    1. Her threader is as eloquent as ever - OK too prolix for some, but always articulate

    2. We aren't exactly overburderned with Lady Commenters

    3. She is, as I understand it, having a bit of a rotten time in and out of hospital

    Manners, please, gentlemen

    I think it was only me really, I was just being honest but I apologise if I've caused offence.

    I certainly wish @Cyclefree all the best healthwise.
    Fair enough

    The sun is shining. It is a beautiful day in May. We are all alive. Things could be worse

    Let's all try and be nice. OK let's all try and be nice for, ooh, 20 minutes
    OK. Twenty mins is pushing it a bit, but I'll give it a go.
    Oh, the temptation to flag that post...
    Wanker
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,719
    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    vik said:

    "Reform is much more of a threat to Labour in Scotland compared to the rest of the UK, according to pollster Professor Sir John Curtice.
    In an exclusive interview with The Steamie, The Scotsman’s politics podcast, Sir John said the newly-acquired support for Labour in Scotland in last year’s general election is “vulnerable”.
    He says this means Labour are more in danger of losing votes to Nigel Farage’s Reform UK in Scotland, whereas in the rest of the UK most of Reform’s vote is coming from the Conservatives."


    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nigel-farages-reform-is-more-of-a-threat-to-labour-in-scotland-says-professor-sir-john-curtice-5131742

    In last night's Clydebank by election though the SNP vote was down 16% ie down more than the Labour vote which was down 12%
    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1923301839002378506
    So, roughly 38:62 Nationalist to Unionist and the Nationalist wins. Having only 3 mainstream Unionist parties was obviously not giving the SNP enough of an advantage.
    My point being clearly more SNP voters went Reform than Labour voters in that seat, so Reform was actually taking significant numbers of Nationalist votes, no surprise really as Farage is more in the Salmond nationalist mould than Swinney, who looks and speaks like a mild mannered accountant
    Here’s the link to the detailed breakdown of votes in the Clydebank by-election, showing the reallocation of transferred votes.
    https://www.west-dunbarton.gov.uk/council/newsroom/news/2025/may/new-councillor-for-clydebank-waterfront-ward-following-by-election/
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,537
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Can we be a bit nicer to Ms @Cyclefree

    1. Her threader is as eloquent as ever - OK too prolix for some, but always articulate

    2. We aren't exactly overburderned with Lady Commenters

    3. She is, as I understand it, having a bit of a rotten time in and out of hospital

    Manners, please, gentlemen

    I think it was only me really, I was just being honest but I apologise if I've caused offence.

    I certainly wish @Cyclefree all the best healthwise.
    Fair enough

    The sun is shining. It is a beautiful day in May. We are all alive. Things could be worse

    Let's all try and be nice. OK let's all try and be nice for, ooh, 20 minutes
    F*ck off!

    Oh, sorry. I thought you meant twenty millisconds... ;)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,330
    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Can we be a bit nicer to Ms @Cyclefree

    1. Her threader is as eloquent as ever - OK too prolix for some, but always articulate

    2. We aren't exactly overburderned with Lady Commenters

    3. She is, as I understand it, having a bit of a rotten time in and out of hospital

    Manners, please, gentlemen

    I think it was only me really, I was just being honest but I apologise if I've caused offence.

    I certainly wish @Cyclefree all the best healthwise.
    Fair enough

    The sun is shining. It is a beautiful day in May. We are all alive. Things could be worse

    Let's all try and be nice. OK let's all try and be nice for, ooh, 20 minutes
    OK. Twenty mins is pushing it a bit, but I'll give it a go.
    Oh, the temptation to flag that post...
    Wanker
    Thank you. Order is restored.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,370
    Further to the seven Sevenoaks councillors resignation story, FPT.

    Drama at Sevenoaks District Council's Annual Meeting.
    First the Tory Leader's nomination for Vice Chair was defeated by another Conservative - put forward by a councillor just deposed from the Cabinet and seconded by a Liberal Democrat...

    https://x.com/tonysclayton/status/1923163377653760288

    Anyone know what's going on ?
    Council now NOC.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,944
    edited May 16
    If the Tories hit 12% in the polls I wonder if Kemi might leave her post voluntarily? Sometimes you have to admit it just isn't working.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,611

    Re the header, yes, it is scandalous that compensation has been delayed to the point money is saved by people dying before being paid, as in the contaminated blood and Post Office cases.

    The position on wrongful convictions is shameful. Both in denying compensation and in not even investigating and reversing them in a timely manner.

    The case might be undermined by some recent awards for less impactful events, especially as news reports can be misleading. £30,000 for being compared to Darth Vader, for instance. There is an element of if you want to win the lottery, play the lottery.

    If anyone wishes to compare me to Darth Vader I'm quite happy to take it on the chin at a 90% discount, £3,000 will be plenty.

    Re the header, yes, it is scandalous that compensation has been delayed to the point money is saved by people dying before being paid, as in the contaminated blood and Post Office cases.

    The position on wrongful convictions is shameful. Both in denying compensation and in not even investigating and reversing them in a timely manner.

    The case might be undermined by some recent awards for less impactful events, especially as news reports can be misleading. £30,000 for being compared to Darth Vader, for instance. There is an element of if you want to win the lottery, play the lottery.

    If anyone wishes to compare me to Darth Vader I'm quite happy to take it on the chin at a 90% discount, £3,000 will be plenty.
    I would object very strongly to being compared to Darth Vader. He is chronically incompetent.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,568
    Andy_JS said:

    If the Tories hit 12% in the polls I wonder if Kemi might leave her post voluntarily? Sometimes you have to admit it just isn't working.

    Why 12%?!

    Is there some weird Rule of Twelve? Or is that the lowest they've ever gone, or something?

    However, you make a very good point overall. There must be a polling position which is so bad the Tories are forced to swiftly act. They are already down at 16% in some polls, which is remarkable

    Single digits would certainly do it
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,836
    Worse is perhaps to come. In Sunday’s runoff, Romanians will vote for either Mr. Simion or Nicusor Dan, an independent candidate who scored 21 percent of the first-round vote. This race is tighter, but barring a surge in turnout, Mr. Simion looks likely to become the country’s next president.

    Romania Is About to Experience Disaster
    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/16/opinion/romania-election-simion-dan.html
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,611
    On topic.

    It is clear that the frame of mind apparent dealing with compensation claims, in government, has not changed since Aberfan.

    In the subject of compensation for {deleted} it is somewhat refreshing that it was admitted that the scale of the claims is a fiscal disaster. When you multiply official complicity x severity of the harm, you get very large sums.

    On the other hand, turning a large chunk of the most disadvantaged in our society into millionaires might prove to be an interesting social experiment.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,611
    Nigelb said:

    Further to the seven Sevenoaks councillors resignation story, FPT.

    Drama at Sevenoaks District Council's Annual Meeting.
    First the Tory Leader's nomination for Vice Chair was defeated by another Conservative - put forward by a councillor just deposed from the Cabinet and seconded by a Liberal Democrat...

    https://x.com/tonysclayton/status/1923163377653760288

    Anyone know what's going on ?
    Council now NOC.

    Ferrets, sack, fighting?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,275
    Off topic, big news coming next week:

    Return of the Westerlies!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,933
    vik said:

    "Reform is much more of a threat to Labour in Scotland compared to the rest of the UK, according to pollster Professor Sir John Curtice.
    In an exclusive interview with The Steamie, The Scotsman’s politics podcast, Sir John said the newly-acquired support for Labour in Scotland in last year’s general election is “vulnerable”.
    He says this means Labour are more in danger of losing votes to Nigel Farage’s Reform UK in Scotland, whereas in the rest of the UK most of Reform’s vote is coming from the Conservatives."


    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nigel-farages-reform-is-more-of-a-threat-to-labour-in-scotland-says-professor-sir-john-curtice-5131742

    That (your?) 10/1 bet you made is looking better by the day.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,275
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    If the Tories hit 12% in the polls I wonder if Kemi might leave her post voluntarily? Sometimes you have to admit it just isn't working.

    Why 12%?!

    Is there some weird Rule of Twelve? Or is that the lowest they've ever gone, or something?

    However, you make a very good point overall. There must be a polling position which is so bad the Tories are forced to swiftly act. They are already down at 16% in some polls, which is remarkable

    Single digits would certainly do it
    Any time in the past century sub-20% would already have done it. We’re in a new PR-coded polling world.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,601

    Re the header, yes, it is scandalous that compensation has been delayed to the point money is saved by people dying before being paid, as in the contaminated blood and Post Office cases.

    The position on wrongful convictions is shameful. Both in denying compensation and in not even investigating and reversing them in a timely manner.

    The case might be undermined by some recent awards for less impactful events, especially as news reports can be misleading. £30,000 for being compared to Darth Vader, for instance. There is an element of if you want to win the lottery, play the lottery.

    If anyone wishes to compare me to Darth Vader I'm quite happy to take it on the chin at a 90% discount, £3,000 will be plenty.

    Re the header, yes, it is scandalous that compensation has been delayed to the point money is saved by people dying before being paid, as in the contaminated blood and Post Office cases.

    The position on wrongful convictions is shameful. Both in denying compensation and in not even investigating and reversing them in a timely manner.

    The case might be undermined by some recent awards for less impactful events, especially as news reports can be misleading. £30,000 for being compared to Darth Vader, for instance. There is an element of if you want to win the lottery, play the lottery.

    If anyone wishes to compare me to Darth Vader I'm quite happy to take it on the chin at a 90% discount, £3,000 will be plenty.
    I would object very strongly to being compared to Darth Vader. He is chronically incompetent.
    For £3,000 I can be as incompetent as you fancy.....
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,944
    Someone mentioned earlier that Sevenoaks Council has suddenly gone from Tory control to no overall control after 7 Conservative councillors resigned. Not sure whether this means they defected to another party.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,203

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    vik said:

    "Reform is much more of a threat to Labour in Scotland compared to the rest of the UK, according to pollster Professor Sir John Curtice.
    In an exclusive interview with The Steamie, The Scotsman’s politics podcast, Sir John said the newly-acquired support for Labour in Scotland in last year’s general election is “vulnerable”.
    He says this means Labour are more in danger of losing votes to Nigel Farage’s Reform UK in Scotland, whereas in the rest of the UK most of Reform’s vote is coming from the Conservatives."


    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nigel-farages-reform-is-more-of-a-threat-to-labour-in-scotland-says-professor-sir-john-curtice-5131742

    In last night's Clydebank by election though the SNP vote was down 16% ie down more than the Labour vote which was down 12%
    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1923301839002378506
    So, roughly 38:62 Nationalist to Unionist and the Nationalist wins. Having only 3 mainstream Unionist parties was obviously not giving the SNP enough of an advantage.
    My point being clearly more SNP voters went Reform than Labour voters in that seat, so Reform was actually taking significant numbers of Nationalist votes, no surprise really as Farage is more in the Salmond nationalist mould than Swinney, who looks and speaks like a mild mannered accountant
    Here’s the link to the detailed breakdown of votes in the Clydebank by-election, showing the reallocation of transferred votes.
    https://www.west-dunbarton.gov.uk/council/newsroom/news/2025/may/new-councillor-for-clydebank-waterfront-ward-following-by-election/
    Labour later preferences going more to the SNP than Reform is notable.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,944
    edited May 16
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    If the Tories hit 12% in the polls I wonder if Kemi might leave her post voluntarily? Sometimes you have to admit it just isn't working.

    Why 12%?!

    Is there some weird Rule of Twelve? Or is that the lowest they've ever gone, or something?

    However, you make a very good point overall. There must be a polling position which is so bad the Tories are forced to swiftly act. They are already down at 16% in some polls, which is remarkable

    Single digits would certainly do it
    I was going to type 10% originally but then thought that sounds too unlikely. It could be 15%, 12%. just a very low figure.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,532
    edited May 16
    Decided the quote function is being disobedient for some reason. Possibly because I'm half-asleep.

    Edited: super for Sainz in FP1, poor for Verstappen. Tempted to see what his pole odds are. They were 4 before practice started.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,203

    Worse is perhaps to come. In Sunday’s runoff, Romanians will vote for either Mr. Simion or Nicusor Dan, an independent candidate who scored 21 percent of the first-round vote. This race is tighter, but barring a surge in turnout, Mr. Simion looks likely to become the country’s next president.

    Romania Is About to Experience Disaster
    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/16/opinion/romania-election-simion-dan.html

    The most recent 2 polls have Dan ahead.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,428
    Andy_JS said:

    Someone mentioned earlier that Sevenoaks Council has suddenly gone from Tory control to no overall control after 7 Conservative councillors resigned. Not sure whether this means they defected to another party.

    Could be some reforms going on in the council.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,275
    TimS said:

    Off topic, big news coming next week:

    Return of the Westerlies!

    And another weather post: we’re currently generating 13.4gw of solar power in GB. 40% of total generation, and an all time record.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,581

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    vik said:

    "Reform is much more of a threat to Labour in Scotland compared to the rest of the UK, according to pollster Professor Sir John Curtice.
    In an exclusive interview with The Steamie, The Scotsman’s politics podcast, Sir John said the newly-acquired support for Labour in Scotland in last year’s general election is “vulnerable”.
    He says this means Labour are more in danger of losing votes to Nigel Farage’s Reform UK in Scotland, whereas in the rest of the UK most of Reform’s vote is coming from the Conservatives."


    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nigel-farages-reform-is-more-of-a-threat-to-labour-in-scotland-says-professor-sir-john-curtice-5131742

    In last night's Clydebank by election though the SNP vote was down 16% ie down more than the Labour vote which was down 12%
    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1923301839002378506
    So, roughly 38:62 Nationalist to Unionist and the Nationalist wins. Having only 3 mainstream Unionist parties was obviously not giving the SNP enough of an advantage.
    My point being clearly more SNP voters went Reform than Labour voters in that seat, so Reform was actually taking significant numbers of Nationalist votes, no surprise really as Farage is more in the Salmond nationalist mould than Swinney, who looks and speaks like a mild mannered accountant
    Here’s the link to the detailed breakdown of votes in the Clydebank by-election, showing the reallocation of transferred votes.
    https://www.west-dunbarton.gov.uk/council/newsroom/news/2025/may/new-councillor-for-clydebank-waterfront-ward-following-by-election/
    Labour later preferences going more to the SNP than Reform is notable.
    At stage 3 8 Alba preferences went to Reform and only 18 to the SNP.

    At stage 7 Scottish Conservative preferences split mainly between Reform and Scottish Labour and the LDs
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,832

    Re the header, yes, it is scandalous that compensation has been delayed to the point money is saved by people dying before being paid, as in the contaminated blood and Post Office cases.

    The position on wrongful convictions is shameful. Both in denying compensation and in not even investigating and reversing them in a timely manner.

    The case might be undermined by some recent awards for less impactful events, especially as news reports can be misleading. £30,000 for being compared to Darth Vader, for instance. There is an element of if you want to win the lottery, play the lottery.

    If anyone wishes to compare me to Darth Vader I'm quite happy to take it on the chin at a 90% discount, £3,000 will be plenty.

    Re the header, yes, it is scandalous that compensation has been delayed to the point money is saved by people dying before being paid, as in the contaminated blood and Post Office cases.

    The position on wrongful convictions is shameful. Both in denying compensation and in not even investigating and reversing them in a timely manner.

    The case might be undermined by some recent awards for less impactful events, especially as news reports can be misleading. £30,000 for being compared to Darth Vader, for instance. There is an element of if you want to win the lottery, play the lottery.

    If anyone wishes to compare me to Darth Vader I'm quite happy to take it on the chin at a 90% discount, £3,000 will be plenty.
    I would object very strongly to being compared to Darth Vader. He is chronically incompetent.
    For £3,000 I can be as incompetent as you fancy.....
    You don't think your incompetence is worth more than £3,000?

    I find your lack of faith disturbing.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,581

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    vik said:

    "Reform is much more of a threat to Labour in Scotland compared to the rest of the UK, according to pollster Professor Sir John Curtice.
    In an exclusive interview with The Steamie, The Scotsman’s politics podcast, Sir John said the newly-acquired support for Labour in Scotland in last year’s general election is “vulnerable”.
    He says this means Labour are more in danger of losing votes to Nigel Farage’s Reform UK in Scotland, whereas in the rest of the UK most of Reform’s vote is coming from the Conservatives."


    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nigel-farages-reform-is-more-of-a-threat-to-labour-in-scotland-says-professor-sir-john-curtice-5131742

    In last night's Clydebank by election though the SNP vote was down 16% ie down more than the Labour vote which was down 12%
    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1923301839002378506
    So, roughly 38:62 Nationalist to Unionist and the Nationalist wins. Having only 3 mainstream Unionist parties was obviously not giving the SNP enough of an advantage.
    My point being clearly more SNP voters went Reform than Labour voters in that seat, so Reform was actually taking significant numbers of Nationalist votes, no surprise really as Farage is more in the Salmond nationalist mould than Swinney, who looks and speaks like a mild mannered accountant
    Here’s the link to the detailed breakdown of votes in the Clydebank by-election, showing the reallocation of transferred votes.
    https://www.west-dunbarton.gov.uk/council/newsroom/news/2025/may/new-councillor-for-clydebank-waterfront-ward-following-by-election/
    On first preferences some who went SNP last time clearly went Reform this time even before reallocations
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,581
    Nigelb said:

    Further to the seven Sevenoaks councillors resignation story, FPT.

    Drama at Sevenoaks District Council's Annual Meeting.
    First the Tory Leader's nomination for Vice Chair was defeated by another Conservative - put forward by a councillor just deposed from the Cabinet and seconded by a Liberal Democrat...

    https://x.com/tonysclayton/status/1923163377653760288

    Anyone know what's going on ?
    Council now NOC.

    Nimby Tories backed by LDs take over Sevenoaks?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,428

    Worse is perhaps to come. In Sunday’s runoff, Romanians will vote for either Mr. Simion or Nicusor Dan, an independent candidate who scored 21 percent of the first-round vote. This race is tighter, but barring a surge in turnout, Mr. Simion looks likely to become the country’s next president.

    Romania Is About to Experience Disaster
    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/16/opinion/romania-election-simion-dan.html

    The most recent 2 polls have Dan ahead.
    In the balance tbh. The betting has Dan at 51%, Simion 49%.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,731
    A depressing, but unsurprising, header. I too had thought compensation for miscarriages of justice was automatic.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,944
    Video of the Sevenoaks defections.

    https://x.com/michaelkeohan/status/1923324977475903644
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,581
    edited May 16
    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Thought: Reform are just two gifted politicians from government


    The polls are pretty clear now. The people have had enough of Lab and Con. They are absolutely hacked off with ALL immigration - a lot of them want remigration

    The only party positioned to benefit from this is Reform. BUT Reform have one massive problem - they are entirely reliant on Farage. With him gone - and he’s not a young man - they’d be screwed

    However if they can find just a couple of good, younger politicians - a Sturgeon to Farage’s Salmond - then they will be well set

    My mind turns to Jenrick. He’s increasingly capable. He’s excellent on social media. He’s sharp and punchy and he agrees with Reform on the culture war issues

    In return he must be tempted to defect if Reform look like winning. He’d go straight to the top (under Farage) and be the likely next prime minister if/when Farage goes

    Then they need one more. A spare for the heir

    Sorted

    Farage won't tolerate a rival, Jenrick included. Tice would also fancy himself as heir apparent for Reform if Farage ever did go again, after all Tice was Reform leader until Farage returned.

    Jenrick's best bet is for Farage to fail to become PM at the next GE and Kemi if she survives as Tory leader or Stride or Cleverly if she doesn't to also lose, then he is best placed to become Conservative leader and unite the right again. Ideally against a Labour and LD government so he has opposition to himself
    And what if the polls in 2027 are the same as now? Reform around 30 or more, Tories in the teens

    Then Jenrick is fucked and he needs to defect

    Farage by then will need an heir. He's a cunning politician and presumably cunning enough to know he's gotta secure a legacy, he can only do that by recruiting younger politicians able to take over
    Why? Jenrick would neither replace Farage as leader or Tice as heir and there are younger councillors in Reform like Jaymey McIvor who also have longterm ambitions.

    If the Tories are in the teens by late next year either Jenrick replaces Kemi as Tory leader anyway, or Tory MPs replace her with Stride or Cleverly and Jenrick becomes heir apparent as Tory leader if they too lose and if Farage again fails to beat Starmer and become PM he can also start to pick up Reform votes
    You don't seem to understand

    My thesis is that the Tories might be permanently fucked. Doomed. Destroyed. We can but pray

    The polls - and the recent elections - are pointing that way. What does an ambitious political man like Jenrick do then? And he is nothing if not ambitious. What's the point in being leader of the next Lib Dems? The rump of a once great party which will probably never see power again?

    He must bide his time for now, but if the polls look terminal for Tories in 2027 - and great for Reform - then his best bet might be: defect. There must be many Tories thinking this, especially if they look doomed to lose their seats, as Tories - as quite a few do, as things stand

    The latest polls this month even now still have the Tories third on 16%-22%. That is enough to get them 50 odd MPs still under FPTP and 100-150 MPs if we went to PR.

    As I said he would also have to wait in line in Reform, Farage if he wins next time could be leader for another decade, even if he loses and goes Tice is heir apparent and their are younger ambitious candidates in Reform not yet MPs who would also fancy their chances so Jenrick would be at the back of the queue.

    Whereas if he stays in the Tories the membership would now elect him leader over Kemi and even if Tory MPs crowned Cleverly or Stride until the next GE to replace Kemi he would be heir apparent if they lost too

    https://conservativehome.com/2025/03/09/our-survey-if-voting-today-conservative-members-would-just-choose-jenrick-as-leader/
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