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  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,745
    Andy_JS said:

    "Peter Sullivan, a man of ‘limited intellectual capacity’ and ‘suggestibility’, has been exonerated after spending 38 years in jail for a murder he didn’t commit. Now aged 68, Sullivan has spent most of his life in high-security jails. DNA evidence has demonstrated that another man was responsible for the brutal assault and murder of 21-year-old Diane Sindall in Birkenhead, Merseyside, in 1986 . How could such a horrific miscarriage of justice happen, and what has Peter endured these past four decades?

    After being arrested, Peter was interviewed without any lawyer present, with the police saying that legal advice would have been ‘a hindrance to the enquiry’. At Peter’s appeal this year, Dr Harry Wood, the psychologist who assessed him, said that he was so vulnerable that had the interview taken place today, he would have been accompanied by an ‘appropriate adult’ as well as a lawyer."

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-injustice-of-peter-sullivans-wrongful-conviction/

    The Police have a thankless task.

    How are they supposed to get back to their day jobs, of issuing crime reference numbers, and logging non-crime incidents, if they're not allowed to fit up people to close cases?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,392
    Andy_JS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Quite a sinister sounding statement from the ANC, saying that Afrikaner refugees are “fleeing from justice, equality and accountability for historic privilege”.of

    https://x.com/mystisk_za/status/1922262192415477892

    No they are fleeing the ANC confiscation of their family farms often without compensation.

    Trump is right on this, the ANC are treating farmers even worse than Starmer
    Either way, their moving from SA to USA is increasing the average IQ of both countries.
    I'm interpreting this as you saying white South Africans have a lower IQ than their compatriots. Or am I wrong?

    Do tell
    Still no answer from you @No_Offence_Alan

    I'm interpreting this as you saying white South Africans have a lower IQ than their compatriots. Or am I wrong?
    I would suggest that the ones who are still there are probably stupider than the ones who left two decades ago.

    My wife is from South Africa, almost her university entire graduating class left the country. Her best friend from High School and her husband, very successful entreupreners, have been here in LA for a decade.

    The ones who are left behind are not the brightest, because even the moderately not dim saw the direction of travel more than a decade ago.

    (Interestingly, we're now hiring very bright black South Africans who are graduating from prestiguous South African universities and see better opportunities abroad.)
    So you're saying the brightest South Africans are the whites who saw the inevitable chaotic and miserable end of black majority rule and got out early? Or am I somehow misinterpreting?
    I am saying the brighter whites left two decades ago, and it is the stupid whites left.

    And now it is the bright africans who are leaving.

    Would you like me to draw you a picture?
    The clear implication is that South Africa was bound to fail under black majority rule so the smart white people left ASAFP

    This isn't a gotcha. I'm just intrigued that you are being so candid with your opinion. Most effete LA liberals hedge around the issue, indeed most people anywhere do so

    Perhaps it is another symptom of the Vibeshift
    If you have one group of people oppressed by another, who then take over, then yes I think it's highly likely things will get fucked up. You see this with national liberation movements across South America too.

    South Africa has fallen well behind -say- Botswana, and that has democratic black african rule. But it also had the advantage that it didn't have the bulk of the country's wealth being held by a few people who looked different from most of the population.
    Fair enough

    The interesting countries are the exceptions

    Chile and Uruguay stand out in LatAm

    In MENA Morocco seems to have done best in delivering relative freedom, increasing prosperity, gender equality (within reason), while avoiding Islamism or hideous despotism

    Kazakhstan has done comparatively very well, weirdly (having just been there).
    Morocco is pretty poor you know: GDP per capita is less than $4,000, against nearly $8,000 in Botswana. On a PPP basis, Botswana is pretty middle income now: it's about $20k.

    Now, sure, is this largely predicated on tourism and a bit of mining? Sure. But they have gone from being massively poorer than South Africans, to being a lot richer.
    Are there any countries in Africa safer than Morocco? Some people say Botswana.
    Rwanda
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,859
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Quite a sinister sounding statement from the ANC, saying that Afrikaner refugees are “fleeing from justice, equality and accountability for historic privilege”.of

    https://x.com/mystisk_za/status/1922262192415477892

    No they are fleeing the ANC confiscation of their family farms often without compensation.

    Trump is right on this, the ANC are treating farmers even worse than Starmer
    Either way, their moving from SA to USA is increasing the average IQ of both countries.
    I'm interpreting this as you saying white South Africans have a lower IQ than their compatriots. Or am I wrong?

    Do tell
    Still no answer from you @No_Offence_Alan

    I'm interpreting this as you saying white South Africans have a lower IQ than their compatriots. Or am I wrong?
    I would suggest that the ones who are still there are probably stupider than the ones who left two decades ago.

    My wife is from South Africa, almost her university entire graduating class left the country. Her best friend from High School and her husband, very successful entreupreners, have been here in LA for a decade.

    The ones who are left behind are not the brightest, because even the moderately not dim saw the direction of travel more than a decade ago.

    (Interestingly, we're now hiring very bright black South Africans who are graduating from prestiguous South African universities and see better opportunities abroad.)
    So you're saying the brightest South Africans are the whites who saw the inevitable chaotic and miserable end of black majority rule and got out early? Or am I somehow misinterpreting?
    I am saying the brighter whites left two decades ago, and it is the stupid whites left.

    And now it is the bright africans who are leaving.

    Would you like me to draw you a picture?
    The clear implication is that South Africa was bound to fail under black majority rule so the smart white people left ASAFP

    This isn't a gotcha. I'm just intrigued that you are being so candid with your opinion. Most effete LA liberals hedge around the issue, indeed most people anywhere do so

    Perhaps it is another symptom of the Vibeshift
    It's more ANC majority rule and the grifting, corruption and incompetence that goes with it.

    There's no reason a black majority democracy shouldn't work very well, and a multi racial one at that - almost an exact inversion of the USA - but it cannot be tribal and racially partisan.

    Those are both things that SA struggles with.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,392
    TimS said:

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Quite a sinister sounding statement from the ANC, saying that Afrikaner refugees are “fleeing from justice, equality and accountability for historic privilege”.of

    https://x.com/mystisk_za/status/1922262192415477892

    No they are fleeing the ANC confiscation of their family farms often without compensation.

    Trump is right on this, the ANC are treating farmers even worse than Starmer
    Either way, their moving from SA to USA is increasing the average IQ of both countries.
    I'm interpreting this as you saying white South Africans have a lower IQ than their compatriots. Or am I wrong?

    Do tell
    Still no answer from you @No_Offence_Alan

    I'm interpreting this as you saying white South Africans have a lower IQ than their compatriots. Or am I wrong?
    I would suggest that the ones who are still there are probably stupider than the ones who left two decades ago.

    My wife is from South Africa, almost her university entire graduating class left the country. Her best friend from High School and her husband, very successful entreupreners, have been here in LA for a decade.

    The ones who are left behind are not the brightest, because even the moderately not dim saw the direction of travel more than a decade ago.

    (Interestingly, we're now hiring very bright black South Africans who are graduating from prestiguous South African universities and see better opportunities abroad.)
    So you're saying the brightest South Africans are the whites who saw the inevitable chaotic and miserable end of black majority rule and got out early? Or am I somehow misinterpreting?
    I am saying the brighter whites left two decades ago, and it is the stupid whites left.

    And now it is the bright africans who are leaving.

    Would you like me to draw you a picture?
    The clear implication is that South Africa was bound to fail under black majority rule so the smart white people left ASAFP

    This isn't a gotcha. I'm just intrigued that you are being so candid with your opinion. Most effete LA liberals hedge around the issue, indeed most people anywhere do so

    Perhaps it is another symptom of the Vibeshift
    If you have one group of people oppressed by another, who then take over, then yes I think it's highly likely things will get fucked up. You see this with national liberation movements across South America too.

    South Africa has fallen well behind -say- Botswana, and that has democratic black african rule. But it also had the advantage that it didn't have the bulk of the country's wealth being held by a few people who looked different from most of the population.
    Fair enough

    The interesting countries are the exceptions

    Chile and Uruguay stand out in LatAm

    In MENA Morocco seems to have done best in delivering relative freedom, increasing prosperity, gender equality (within reason), while avoiding Islamism or hideous despotism

    Kazakhstan has done comparatively very well, weirdly (having just been there).
    Morocco: monarchy.
    Monarchies do better on the balancing freedom and responsibility thing, as a rule.
    Yes, they absolutely do

    If I could advise any young nation finding its first way in the world (and, frankly, I'd be good at this) I would say: Be a monarchy, preferably an ancient monarchy. It really really helps. It provides stablity, it provides identity, it is a source of reassurance, pageantry, pride, accrued wisdom

    We would be insane to get rid of ours, for all its flaws, and - thankfully - there is little chance of our doing so. Indeed I suspect the tendency is now TOWARDS monarchy in much of the world. Australia, Canada and NZ are all less likely to go republican than they were ten years ago, for instance
    See also Spain. Franco had many disadvantages (obs) but he had enough smarts to see he was succeeded by a monarchy. As the Soviet/Russia handover proved, you can't go straight to a full liberal democratic Republic overnight, you have to go thru intermediate stages to build up the institutions, and a monarchy is pretty good for that.
    Errr:

    Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania have all done a pretty good job of going straight to full liberal democracies.
    Fair point. But perhaps a monarchy would have done just as well and perhaps better?
    I think the point is a monarchy is a safeguard. An alternative source of authority if the day to day leader goes a bit bonkers.

    See for example how Boris “lying to the Queen” and partying while she mourned had fatal consequences for his premiership, or indeed how even one step removed, Trump’s respect/fear of the British monarchy reins him in with us a bit.
    That argument breaks down the moment someone with Trump’s character, attitude and morality - or someone equally but differently awful - inherits the role.

    Maniacs can get elected to high office but history shows that they can also drop into such roles by inheritance.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,745
    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Quite a sinister sounding statement from the ANC, saying that Afrikaner refugees are “fleeing from justice, equality and accountability for historic privilege”.of

    https://x.com/mystisk_za/status/1922262192415477892

    No they are fleeing the ANC confiscation of their family farms often without compensation.

    Trump is right on this, the ANC are treating farmers even worse than Starmer
    Either way, their moving from SA to USA is increasing the average IQ of both countries.
    I'm interpreting this as you saying white South Africans have a lower IQ than their compatriots. Or am I wrong?

    Do tell
    Still no answer from you @No_Offence_Alan

    I'm interpreting this as you saying white South Africans have a lower IQ than their compatriots. Or am I wrong?
    I would suggest that the ones who are still there are probably stupider than the ones who left two decades ago.

    My wife is from South Africa, almost her university entire graduating class left the country. Her best friend from High School and her husband, very successful entreupreners, have been here in LA for a decade.

    The ones who are left behind are not the brightest, because even the moderately not dim saw the direction of travel more than a decade ago.

    (Interestingly, we're now hiring very bright black South Africans who are graduating from prestiguous South African universities and see better opportunities abroad.)
    So you're saying the brightest South Africans are the whites who saw the inevitable chaotic and miserable end of black majority rule and got out early? Or am I somehow misinterpreting?
    I am saying the brighter whites left two decades ago, and it is the stupid whites left.

    And now it is the bright africans who are leaving.

    Would you like me to draw you a picture?
    The clear implication is that South Africa was bound to fail under black majority rule so the smart white people left ASAFP

    This isn't a gotcha. I'm just intrigued that you are being so candid with your opinion. Most effete LA liberals hedge around the issue, indeed most people anywhere do so

    Perhaps it is another symptom of the Vibeshift
    If you have one group of people oppressed by another, who then take over, then yes I think it's highly likely things will get fucked up. You see this with national liberation movements across South America too.

    South Africa has fallen well behind -say- Botswana, and that has democratic black african rule. But it also had the advantage that it didn't have the bulk of the country's wealth being held by a few people who looked different from most of the population.
    Fair enough

    The interesting countries are the exceptions

    Chile and Uruguay stand out in LatAm

    In MENA Morocco seems to have done best in delivering relative freedom, increasing prosperity, gender equality (within reason), while avoiding Islamism or hideous despotism

    Kazakhstan has done comparatively very well, weirdly (having just been there).
    Morocco is pretty poor you know: GDP per capita is less than $4,000, against nearly $8,000 in Botswana. On a PPP basis, Botswana is pretty middle income now: it's about $20k.

    Now, sure, is this largely predicated on tourism and a bit of mining? Sure. But they have gone from being massively poorer than South Africans, to being a lot richer.
    Are there any countries in Africa safer than Morocco? Some people say Botswana.
    Rwanda
    It would not surprise me at all if Starmer does that.

    Of course if he does, it will be humane.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,961
    edited 6:03AM

    Meanwhile, in Brenda From Bristol news,

    The BBC can reveal that a newly-elected Leicestershire County Councillor was sacked from the police last year.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cre9z20x0r3o.amp

    Quelle surprise! Elected for Reform UK.
    Given how lax the police have become over serious criminals / serious criminal behaviour in their ranks, I am more surprised he actually got fired for taking a few sickies.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,145
    viewcode said:
    No odds on Billie Piper? Lots of rumours about her. (I’ve no idea if they’re correct!)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,961

    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Quite a sinister sounding statement from the ANC, saying that Afrikaner refugees are “fleeing from justice, equality and accountability for historic privilege”.of

    https://x.com/mystisk_za/status/1922262192415477892

    No they are fleeing the ANC confiscation of their family farms often without compensation.

    Trump is right on this, the ANC are treating farmers even worse than Starmer
    Either way, their moving from SA to USA is increasing the average IQ of both countries.
    I'm interpreting this as you saying white South Africans have a lower IQ than their compatriots. Or am I wrong?

    Do tell
    Still no answer from you @No_Offence_Alan

    I'm interpreting this as you saying white South Africans have a lower IQ than their compatriots. Or am I wrong?
    I would suggest that the ones who are still there are probably stupider than the ones who left two decades ago.

    My wife is from South Africa, almost her university entire graduating class left the country. Her best friend from High School and her husband, very successful entreupreners, have been here in LA for a decade.

    The ones who are left behind are not the brightest, because even the moderately not dim saw the direction of travel more than a decade ago.

    (Interestingly, we're now hiring very bright black South Africans who are graduating from prestiguous South African universities and see better opportunities abroad.)
    So you're saying the brightest South Africans are the whites who saw the inevitable chaotic and miserable end of black majority rule and got out early? Or am I somehow misinterpreting?
    I am saying the brighter whites left two decades ago, and it is the stupid whites left.

    And now it is the bright africans who are leaving.

    Would you like me to draw you a picture?
    The clear implication is that South Africa was bound to fail under black majority rule so the smart white people left ASAFP

    This isn't a gotcha. I'm just intrigued that you are being so candid with your opinion. Most effete LA liberals hedge around the issue, indeed most people anywhere do so

    Perhaps it is another symptom of the Vibeshift
    If you have one group of people oppressed by another, who then take over, then yes I think it's highly likely things will get fucked up. You see this with national liberation movements across South America too.

    South Africa has fallen well behind -say- Botswana, and that has democratic black african rule. But it also had the advantage that it didn't have the bulk of the country's wealth being held by a few people who looked different from most of the population.
    Fair enough

    The interesting countries are the exceptions

    Chile and Uruguay stand out in LatAm

    In MENA Morocco seems to have done best in delivering relative freedom, increasing prosperity, gender equality (within reason), while avoiding Islamism or hideous despotism

    Kazakhstan has done comparatively very well, weirdly (having just been there).
    Morocco is pretty poor you know: GDP per capita is less than $4,000, against nearly $8,000 in Botswana. On a PPP basis, Botswana is pretty middle income now: it's about $20k.

    Now, sure, is this largely predicated on tourism and a bit of mining? Sure. But they have gone from being massively poorer than South Africans, to being a lot richer.
    Are there any countries in Africa safer than Morocco? Some people say Botswana.
    Rwanda
    It would not surprise me at all if Starmer does that.

    Of course if he does, it will be humane.
    No it won't be Rwanda cos Tories, it will be Timbuktu or immediate transfer to St Helena at even more ridiculous cost than Rwanda.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,392
    GIN1138 said:

    Good evening PB.

    On topic: It's time to move on from Boris.

    Off topic: Hasn't the weather been amazing? 😎

    Yes. I left Scotland yesterday after an amazing almost two weeks in the Highlands; the only rain I was aware of was finding a slightly wet pavement one early morning in Edinburgh - not a drop has fallen on my head or car during the trip - and the only wind to speak of, a light breeze yesterday morning. I expect my garden will be parched.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,961
    edited 6:07AM

    viewcode said:
    No odds on Billie Piper? Lots of rumours about her. (I’ve no idea if they’re correct!)
    I wouldn't want my capital tied up for what could be 5-10 years while they put Doctor Who in cold storage and its disastrous ratings fall.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,859

    Andy_JS said:
    The overreaction seems crazy to me. That Island of Strangers quote is being reacted to like Starmer is promising Trump style deportations to a Super Max prison in Latin America rather than basically a return to pre-Brexit / Boris rules.
    The Tories who spent two decades being terrified of the same kind of reaction should look at this and realise that they should never have allowed themselves to be so cowed. Progressivism is the politics of hysteria.
    The Tories have been afraid of their own shadow for some time, and secretly ashamed to be Tories.

    I think it's the upper middle class circles that most move in, socially, that has caused this.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,392

    The government is abolishing NHS England without a clear plan for how it will be achieved and how it will benefit frontline care, a cross-party group of MPs has warned.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g23m22x22o

    Streeting just wanted some money to spend, and since Rachel hasn’t given him anything of significance, went round looking for something to cut. He won’t have spent much time worrying about the consequences, motivated by the presumed the political upside from whatever he spends the money on.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,497

    Andy_JS said:

    "The home secretary has told ITV News that the failure of French police to stop migrants crossing the channel is “undermining our border security”.

    Yvette Cooper said footage of officers failing to apprehend migrants on the coast of France was “not what we want to see”.

    On Tuesday morning, ITV News filmed dozens of people getting onto an overcrowded dinghy in Dunkirk, on the French coast, to make the dangerous journey across the Channel.

    The dinghy came close to the shore multiple times and stayed for up to 20 minutes to pick up more passengers waiting, with no police stopping them."

    https://www.itv.com/news/2025-05-13/not-what-we-want-to-see-home-secretary-responds-to-migrant-crossings-video

    Why is this news? We all know the objective of the French is a measured shakedown, not to stop them.

    They're delighted if they leave the Pas de Calais. And, indeed, that's why they encourage them to congregate there in the first place - in the hope they elope elsewhere.
    And many in this country want to 'encourage' them onto another country. We're no different; it's just that we're geographically at the end of the line. Also, AIUI France gets far more asylum claims than we do.

    That's the main problem: no-one wants these people.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,961
    edited 6:14AM
    IanB2 said:

    The government is abolishing NHS England without a clear plan for how it will be achieved and how it will benefit frontline care, a cross-party group of MPs has warned.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g23m22x22o

    Streeting just wanted some money to spend, and since Rachel hasn’t given him anything of significance, went round looking for something to cut. He won’t have spent much time worrying about the consequences, motivated by the presumed the political upside from whatever he spends the money on.
    "since Rachel hasn’t given him anything of significance," - Not sure that is true, they borrowed a lot of our kids money to pump £25bn more into the NHS as part of the first budget.

    I think it was as much about the Labour relaunch #535453 in which they were pitching becoming anti-quango / small civil service / AI will solve everything, before immediately setting up a load more quangos.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,859
    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Quite a sinister sounding statement from the ANC, saying that Afrikaner refugees are “fleeing from justice, equality and accountability for historic privilege”.of

    https://x.com/mystisk_za/status/1922262192415477892

    No they are fleeing the ANC confiscation of their family farms often without compensation.

    Trump is right on this, the ANC are treating farmers even worse than Starmer
    Either way, their moving from SA to USA is increasing the average IQ of both countries.
    I'm interpreting this as you saying white South Africans have a lower IQ than their compatriots. Or am I wrong?

    Do tell
    Still no answer from you @No_Offence_Alan

    I'm interpreting this as you saying white South Africans have a lower IQ than their compatriots. Or am I wrong?
    I would suggest that the ones who are still there are probably stupider than the ones who left two decades ago.

    My wife is from South Africa, almost her university entire graduating class left the country. Her best friend from High School and her husband, very successful entreupreners, have been here in LA for a decade.

    The ones who are left behind are not the brightest, because even the moderately not dim saw the direction of travel more than a decade ago.

    (Interestingly, we're now hiring very bright black South Africans who are graduating from prestiguous South African universities and see better opportunities abroad.)
    So you're saying the brightest South Africans are the whites who saw the inevitable chaotic and miserable end of black majority rule and got out early? Or am I somehow misinterpreting?
    I am saying the brighter whites left two decades ago, and it is the stupid whites left.

    And now it is the bright africans who are leaving.

    Would you like me to draw you a picture?
    The clear implication is that South Africa was bound to fail under black majority rule so the smart white people left ASAFP

    This isn't a gotcha. I'm just intrigued that you are being so candid with your opinion. Most effete LA liberals hedge around the issue, indeed most people anywhere do so

    Perhaps it is another symptom of the Vibeshift
    If you have one group of people oppressed by another, who then take over, then yes I think it's highly likely things will get fucked up. You see this with national liberation movements across South America too.

    South Africa has fallen well behind -say- Botswana, and that has democratic black african rule. But it also had the advantage that it didn't have the bulk of the country's wealth being held by a few people who looked different from most of the population.
    Fair enough

    The interesting countries are the exceptions

    Chile and Uruguay stand out in LatAm

    In MENA Morocco seems to have done best in delivering relative freedom, increasing prosperity, gender equality (within reason), while avoiding Islamism or hideous despotism

    Kazakhstan has done comparatively very well, weirdly (having just been there).
    Morocco: monarchy.
    Monarchies do better on the balancing freedom and responsibility thing, as a rule.
    Yes, they absolutely do

    If I could advise any young nation finding its first way in the world (and, frankly, I'd be good at this) I would say: Be a monarchy, preferably an ancient monarchy. It really really helps. It provides stablity, it provides identity, it is a source of reassurance, pageantry, pride, accrued wisdom

    We would be insane to get rid of ours, for all its flaws, and - thankfully - there is little chance of our doing so. Indeed I suspect the tendency is now TOWARDS monarchy in much of the world. Australia, Canada and NZ are all less likely to go republican than they were ten years ago, for instance
    It may be that support for republicanism is closely correlated with that for high liberalism.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,859

    Andy_JS said:

    "The home secretary has told ITV News that the failure of French police to stop migrants crossing the channel is “undermining our border security”.

    Yvette Cooper said footage of officers failing to apprehend migrants on the coast of France was “not what we want to see”.

    On Tuesday morning, ITV News filmed dozens of people getting onto an overcrowded dinghy in Dunkirk, on the French coast, to make the dangerous journey across the Channel.

    The dinghy came close to the shore multiple times and stayed for up to 20 minutes to pick up more passengers waiting, with no police stopping them."

    https://www.itv.com/news/2025-05-13/not-what-we-want-to-see-home-secretary-responds-to-migrant-crossings-video

    Why is this news? We all know the objective of the French is a measured shakedown, not to stop them.

    They're delighted if they leave the Pas de Calais. And, indeed, that's why they encourage them to congregate there in the first place - in the hope they elope elsewhere.
    And many in this country want to 'encourage' them onto another country. We're no different; it's just that we're geographically at the end of the line. Also, AIUI France gets far more asylum claims than we do.

    That's the main problem: no-one wants these people.
    And, yet, our countries treaties and laws allow them to come in spite of that.

    That must change.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,932

    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Quite a sinister sounding statement from the ANC, saying that Afrikaner refugees are “fleeing from justice, equality and accountability for historic privilege”.of

    https://x.com/mystisk_za/status/1922262192415477892

    No they are fleeing the ANC confiscation of their family farms often without compensation.

    Trump is right on this, the ANC are treating farmers even worse than Starmer
    Either way, their moving from SA to USA is increasing the average IQ of both countries.
    I'm interpreting this as you saying white South Africans have a lower IQ than their compatriots. Or am I wrong?

    Do tell
    Still no answer from you @No_Offence_Alan

    I'm interpreting this as you saying white South Africans have a lower IQ than their compatriots. Or am I wrong?
    I would suggest that the ones who are still there are probably stupider than the ones who left two decades ago.

    My wife is from South Africa, almost her university entire graduating class left the country. Her best friend from High School and her husband, very successful entreupreners, have been here in LA for a decade.

    The ones who are left behind are not the brightest, because even the moderately not dim saw the direction of travel more than a decade ago.

    (Interestingly, we're now hiring very bright black South Africans who are graduating from prestiguous South African universities and see better opportunities abroad.)
    So you're saying the brightest South Africans are the whites who saw the inevitable chaotic and miserable end of black majority rule and got out early? Or am I somehow misinterpreting?
    I am saying the brighter whites left two decades ago, and it is the stupid whites left.

    And now it is the bright africans who are leaving.

    Would you like me to draw you a picture?
    The clear implication is that South Africa was bound to fail under black majority rule so the smart white people left ASAFP

    This isn't a gotcha. I'm just intrigued that you are being so candid with your opinion. Most effete LA liberals hedge around the issue, indeed most people anywhere do so

    Perhaps it is another symptom of the Vibeshift
    If you have one group of people oppressed by another, who then take over, then yes I think it's highly likely things will get fucked up. You see this with national liberation movements across South America too.

    South Africa has fallen well behind -say- Botswana, and that has democratic black african rule. But it also had the advantage that it didn't have the bulk of the country's wealth being held by a few people who looked different from most of the population.
    Fair enough

    The interesting countries are the exceptions

    Chile and Uruguay stand out in LatAm

    In MENA Morocco seems to have done best in delivering relative freedom, increasing prosperity, gender equality (within reason), while avoiding Islamism or hideous despotism

    Kazakhstan has done comparatively very well, weirdly (having just been there).
    Morocco is pretty poor you know: GDP per capita is less than $4,000, against nearly $8,000 in Botswana. On a PPP basis, Botswana is pretty middle income now: it's about $20k.

    Now, sure, is this largely predicated on tourism and a bit of mining? Sure. But they have gone from being massively poorer than South Africans, to being a lot richer.
    Are there any countries in Africa safer than Morocco? Some people say Botswana.

    Rwanda
    It would not surprise me at all if Starmer does that.

    Of course if he does, it will be humane.
    No it won't be Rwanda cos Tories, it will be Timbuktu or immediate transfer to St Helena at even more ridiculous cost than Rwanda.
    East Falkland has a population (2016) of 2829 of which 2460 live in Stanley.

    With 2550 square miles for 369 residents you can find space for a well built processing camp for migrants.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,497
    Off-topic:

    We've just been filling out the forms for our son's entry to secondary school. It's been fairly easy, as he has no medical complaints, learning difficulties, allergies, etc.

    But there's one area that we've carefully considered and not given consent. The school uses fingerprints to access things like the library and canteen, and we don't like the idea of our son's biometric information being used for this. They also include no information of which company provides the biometrics service, or what exactly is being stored (the fingerprint itself, a hash, etc)?

    I'd be interested to hear your views on whether we're being stupidly cautious, or whether anyone else's school uses such a system?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,859

    viewcode said:
    No odds on Billie Piper? Lots of rumours about her. (I’ve no idea if they’re correct!)
    I wouldn't want my capital tied up for what could be 5-10 years while they put Doctor Who in cold storage and its disastrous ratings fall.
    Doctor Who would probably be much better if the BBC didn't make it.

    I actually think Josie Whittaker and Ncuti Gatwa are very good actors but they absolutely cannot help themselves using it as tool to promote EDI nor resist writing stories that have moral lessons on diversity that must be imbibed.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,961
    edited 6:19AM

    viewcode said:
    No odds on Billie Piper? Lots of rumours about her. (I’ve no idea if they’re correct!)
    I wouldn't want my capital tied up for what could be 5-10 years while they put Doctor Who in cold storage and its disastrous ratings fall.
    Doctor Who would probably be much better if the BBC didn't make it.

    I actually think Josie Whittaker and Ncuti Gatwa are very good actors but they absolutely cannot help themselves using it as tool to promote EDI nor resist writing stories that have moral lessons on diversity that must be imbibed.
    To be fair, the past two seasons, its Disney production in conjunction with the BBC. Disney put all the money in so I am going to guess they have a very big say in what went.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,961
    edited 6:20AM

    Off-topic:

    We've just been filling out the forms for our son's entry to secondary school. It's been fairly easy, as he has no medical complaints, learning difficulties, allergies, etc.

    But there's one area that we've carefully considered and not given consent. The school uses fingerprints to access things like the library and canteen, and we don't like the idea of our son's biometric information being used for this. They also include no information of which company provides the biometrics service, or what exactly is being stored (the fingerprint itself, a hash, etc)?

    I'd be interested to hear your views on whether we're being stupidly cautious, or whether anyone else's school uses such a system?

    Why are schools going for such an approach in the first place. What is wrong with keycard and a lanyard ;-)
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,596

    Off-topic:

    We've just been filling out the forms for our son's entry to secondary school. It's been fairly easy, as he has no medical complaints, learning difficulties, allergies, etc.

    But there's one area that we've carefully considered and not given consent. The school uses fingerprints to access things like the library and canteen, and we don't like the idea of our son's biometric information being used for this. They also include no information of which company provides the biometrics service, or what exactly is being stored (the fingerprint itself, a hash, etc)?

    I'd be interested to hear your views on whether we're being stupidly cautious, or whether anyone else's school uses such a system?

    I don't think you are being too cautious. My last school had a card system run by the council for the students to buy food etc. the parents rang in with money to put on the card
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,859

    viewcode said:
    No odds on Billie Piper? Lots of rumours about her. (I’ve no idea if they’re correct!)
    I wouldn't want my capital tied up for what could be 5-10 years while they put Doctor Who in cold storage and its disastrous ratings fall.
    Doctor Who would probably be much better if the BBC didn't make it.

    I actually think Josie Whittaker and Ncuti Gatwa are very good actors but they absolutely cannot help themselves using it as tool to promote EDI nor resist writing stories that have moral lessons on diversity that must be imbibed.
    To be fair, the past two seasons, its Disney production in conjunction with the BBC. Disney put all the money in so I am going to guess they have a very big say in what went.
    Ah
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,553

    Off-topic:

    We've just been filling out the forms for our son's entry to secondary school. It's been fairly easy, as he has no medical complaints, learning difficulties, allergies, etc.

    But there's one area that we've carefully considered and not given consent. The school uses fingerprints to access things like the library and canteen, and we don't like the idea of our son's biometric information being used for this. They also include no information of which company provides the biometrics service, or what exactly is being stored (the fingerprint itself, a hash, etc)?

    I'd be interested to hear your views on whether we're being stupidly cautious, or whether anyone else's school uses such a system?

    Is your son doing six years in a juvenile detention centre? Why are they scared of unauthorised access to the library? Since you have declined consent, will your boy starve to death if he is locked out of the canteen, or will his classmates chuck bread rolls over the wall?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,573
    IanB2 said:

    The government is abolishing NHS England without a clear plan for how it will be achieved and how it will benefit frontline care, a cross-party group of MPs has warned.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g23m22x22o

    Streeting just wanted some money to spend, and since Rachel hasn’t given him anything of significance, went round looking for something to cut. He won’t have spent much time worrying about the consequences, motivated by the presumed the political upside from whatever he spends the money on.
    It's also about cheap headlines "cutting pen-pushers and red tape".

    NHS England has many functions, including specialised services, screening, quality control, postgraduate training etc. Unless we are going to stop all these things there needs to be a plan.

    Halving the staff of the ICBs without cutting their responsibilities is also a bit half arsed.

    I can't understand why some on here rate Streeting. He doesn't seem to believe in anything other than his own genius.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,376

    Off-topic:

    We've just been filling out the forms for our son's entry to secondary school. It's been fairly easy, as he has no medical complaints, learning difficulties, allergies, etc.

    But there's one area that we've carefully considered and not given consent. The school uses fingerprints to access things like the library and canteen, and we don't like the idea of our son's biometric information being used for this. They also include no information of which company provides the biometrics service, or what exactly is being stored (the fingerprint itself, a hash, etc)?

    I'd be interested to hear your views on whether we're being stupidly cautious, or whether anyone else's school uses such a system?

    Did they offer an alternative to access those facilities ? I can understand you being cautious and the school should really offer more info as to who is running the biometrics so parents can look into the company providing that service .
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,596

    Off-topic:

    We've just been filling out the forms for our son's entry to secondary school. It's been fairly easy, as he has no medical complaints, learning difficulties, allergies, etc.

    But there's one area that we've carefully considered and not given consent. The school uses fingerprints to access things like the library and canteen, and we don't like the idea of our son's biometric information being used for this. They also include no information of which company provides the biometrics service, or what exactly is being stored (the fingerprint itself, a hash, etc)?

    I'd be interested to hear your views on whether we're being stupidly cautious, or whether anyone else's school uses such a system?

    Why are schools going for such an approach in the first place. What is wrong with keycard and a lanyard ;-)
    As a LibDem I can heartily recommend the lanyard.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,560
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    If Lineker is so stupid he does not realise "a rat" is a massively anti-Semitic trope then he

    1. Is too stupid to be posting on social media

    and

    2. Too dangerously dumb to be associated with the BBC if he's going to continue posting

    The alternative is

    3. He's lying. Which again means the BBC should cut ties with him

    I don't see any alternative

    You are however the very last person who is able to cast any sort of critical judgement over anyone else’s ill advised, offensive, ignorant or distasteful turn of phrase, or to be suggesting that they think before posting stuff.
    On the other hand, he is a domain expert.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,574

    Off-topic:

    We've just been filling out the forms for our son's entry to secondary school. It's been fairly easy, as he has no medical complaints, learning difficulties, allergies, etc.

    But there's one area that we've carefully considered and not given consent. The school uses fingerprints to access things like the library and canteen, and we don't like the idea of our son's biometric information being used for this. They also include no information of which company provides the biometrics service, or what exactly is being stored (the fingerprint itself, a hash, etc)?

    I'd be interested to hear your views on whether we're being stupidly cautious, or whether anyone else's school uses such a system?

    Why are schools going for such an approach in the first place. What is wrong with keycard and a lanyard ;-)
    Children are children; lanyards get lost or mixed up. The brilliant thing about fingerprints is that the chain from person to ID is so direct. Most school systems store about six(?) points, rather than the whole fingerprint.

    (And such systems are pretty common at secondary level. JJ- I'd say you are being scrupulous, but I'm happy to trust your conscience about the degree of scrupulousness. It can't be the first time a school near Cambridge has had this issue... What's their work round?)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,859

    Off-topic:

    We've just been filling out the forms for our son's entry to secondary school. It's been fairly easy, as he has no medical complaints, learning difficulties, allergies, etc.

    But there's one area that we've carefully considered and not given consent. The school uses fingerprints to access things like the library and canteen, and we don't like the idea of our son's biometric information being used for this. They also include no information of which company provides the biometrics service, or what exactly is being stored (the fingerprint itself, a hash, etc)?

    I'd be interested to hear your views on whether we're being stupidly cautious, or whether anyone else's school uses such a system?

    Why are schools going for such an approach in the first place. What is wrong with keycard and a lanyard ;-)
    Children are children; lanyards get lost or mixed up. The brilliant thing about fingerprints is that the chain from person to ID is so direct. Most school systems store about six(?) points, rather than the whole fingerprint.

    (And such systems are pretty common at secondary level. JJ- I'd say you are being scrupulous, but I'm happy to trust your conscience about the degree of scrupulousness. It can't be the first time a school near Cambridge has had this issue... What's their work round?)
    I wouldn't be happy with fingerprints.

    My experience of giving any data about you to anyone is that it's a question of when it will leak, not if, and it should be kept to the minimum possible.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,961

    Off-topic:

    We've just been filling out the forms for our son's entry to secondary school. It's been fairly easy, as he has no medical complaints, learning difficulties, allergies, etc.

    But there's one area that we've carefully considered and not given consent. The school uses fingerprints to access things like the library and canteen, and we don't like the idea of our son's biometric information being used for this. They also include no information of which company provides the biometrics service, or what exactly is being stored (the fingerprint itself, a hash, etc)?

    I'd be interested to hear your views on whether we're being stupidly cautious, or whether anyone else's school uses such a system?

    Why are schools going for such an approach in the first place. What is wrong with keycard and a lanyard ;-)
    Children are children; lanyards get lost or mixed up. The brilliant thing about fingerprints is that the chain from person to ID is so direct. Most school systems store about six(?) points, rather than the whole fingerprint.

    (And such systems are pretty common at secondary level. JJ- I'd say you are being scrupulous, but I'm happy to trust your conscience about the degree of scrupulousness. It can't be the first time a school near Cambridge has had this issue... What's their work round?)
    You missed the joke.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,560

    Meanwhile, in Brenda From Bristol news,

    The BBC can reveal that a newly-elected Leicestershire County Councillor was sacked from the police last year.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cre9z20x0r3o.amp

    Quelle surprise! Elected for Reform UK.
    Given how lax the police have become over serious criminals / serious criminal behaviour in their ranks, I am more surprised he actually got fired for taking a few sickies.
    Probably a “problem” character who the Senior Management Team wanted rid of.

    Reminds me of when, in Oxford, one local copper was dismissed for something to do with literally £1 something of expenses - “it’s harsh, but we have to enforce the rules”,

    At the same time, every trick was being tried to save policeman. Who had been caught on early CCTV assaulting someone who was lying injured on the ground. And stole property from the semi-conscious person.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,961
    edited 6:38AM
    Federal grand jury indicts Wisconsin judge over alleged Ice obstruction

    A federal grand jury has indicted a Wisconsin judge who was arrested by the FBI last month on allegations that she helped an undocumented immigrant avoid federal authorities.

    Prosecutors charged Dugan in April with concealing an individual to prevent arrest and obstruction. In the federal criminal justice system, prosecutors can initiate charges against a defendant directly by filing a complaint or present evidence to a grand jury and let that body decide whether to issue charges.

    A grand jury still reviews charges brought by complaint to determine whether enough probable cause exists to continue the case as a check on prosecutors’ power. If the grand jury determines there’s probable cause, it issues a written statement of the charges known as an indictment. That’s what happened in Dugan’s case.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/13/federal-grand-jury-indicts-wisconsin-judge-hannah-dugan
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,907

    NEW THREAD

  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,376
    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Peter Sullivan, a man of ‘limited intellectual capacity’ and ‘suggestibility’, has been exonerated after spending 38 years in jail for a murder he didn’t commit. Now aged 68, Sullivan has spent most of his life in high-security jails. DNA evidence has demonstrated that another man was responsible for the brutal assault and murder of 21-year-old Diane Sindall in Birkenhead, Merseyside, in 1986 . How could such a horrific miscarriage of justice happen, and what has Peter endured these past four decades?

    After being arrested, Peter was interviewed without any lawyer present, with the police saying that legal advice would have been ‘a hindrance to the enquiry’. At Peter’s appeal this year, Dr Harry Wood, the psychologist who assessed him, said that he was so vulnerable that had the interview taken place today, he would have been accompanied by an ‘appropriate adult’ as well as a lawyer."

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-injustice-of-peter-sullivans-wrongful-conviction/

    The Police have a thankless task.

    How are they supposed to get back to their day jobs, of issuing crime reference numbers, and logging non-crime incidents, if they're not allowed to fit up people to close cases?
    That should bury GB News' latest version of obsession with the death penalty.

    But it won't.
    Some seem happy to have the death penalty for what they see as the “ greater good “ and view the odd innocent person being put to death as acceptable until that horror reaches their own door .

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,529
    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: rumours that Horner could be booted from Red Bull if the team's performance doesn't rapidly improve.

    And it sounds like MBS is trying to alter the FIA structure more so it's even worse for accountability.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,573

    Off-topic:

    We've just been filling out the forms for our son's entry to secondary school. It's been fairly easy, as he has no medical complaints, learning difficulties, allergies, etc.

    But there's one area that we've carefully considered and not given consent. The school uses fingerprints to access things like the library and canteen, and we don't like the idea of our son's biometric information being used for this. They also include no information of which company provides the biometrics service, or what exactly is being stored (the fingerprint itself, a hash, etc)?

    I'd be interested to hear your views on whether we're being stupidly cautious, or whether anyone else's school uses such a system?

    Why not ask the school the questions on who is their data holder, etc?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,713

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Quite a sinister sounding statement from the ANC, saying that Afrikaner refugees are “fleeing from justice, equality and accountability for historic privilege”.of

    https://x.com/mystisk_za/status/1922262192415477892

    No they are fleeing the ANC confiscation of their family farms often without compensation.

    Trump is right on this, the ANC are treating farmers even worse than Starmer
    Either way, their moving from SA to USA is increasing the average IQ of both countries.
    I'm interpreting this as you saying white South Africans have a lower IQ than their compatriots. Or am I wrong?

    Do tell
    Still no answer from you @No_Offence_Alan

    I'm interpreting this as you saying white South Africans have a lower IQ than their compatriots. Or am I wrong?
    I would suggest that the ones who are still there are probably stupider than the ones who left two decades ago.

    My wife is from South Africa, almost her university entire graduating class left the country. Her best friend from High School and her husband, very successful entreupreners, have been here in LA for a decade.

    The ones who are left behind are not the brightest, because even the moderately not dim saw the direction of travel more than a decade ago.

    (Interestingly, we're now hiring very bright black South Africans who are graduating from prestiguous South African universities and see better opportunities abroad.)
    So you're saying the brightest South Africans are the whites who saw the inevitable chaotic and miserable end of black majority rule and got out early? Or am I somehow misinterpreting?
    I am saying the brighter whites left two decades ago, and it is the stupid whites left.

    And now it is the bright africans who are leaving.

    Would you like me to draw you a picture?
    The clear implication is that South Africa was bound to fail under black majority rule so the smart white people left ASAFP

    This isn't a gotcha. I'm just intrigued that you are being so candid with your opinion. Most effete LA liberals hedge around the issue, indeed most people anywhere do so

    Perhaps it is another symptom of the Vibeshift
    It's more ANC majority rule and the grifting, corruption and incompetence that goes with it.

    There's no reason a black majority democracy shouldn't work very well, and a multi racial one at that - almost an exact inversion of the USA - but it cannot be tribal and racially partisan.

    Those are both things that SA struggles with.

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Quite a sinister sounding statement from the ANC, saying that Afrikaner refugees are “fleeing from justice, equality and accountability for historic privilege”.of

    https://x.com/mystisk_za/status/1922262192415477892

    No they are fleeing the ANC confiscation of their family farms often without compensation.

    Trump is right on this, the ANC are treating farmers even worse than Starmer
    Either way, their moving from SA to USA is increasing the average IQ of both countries.
    I'm interpreting this as you saying white South Africans have a lower IQ than their compatriots. Or am I wrong?

    Do tell
    Still no answer from you @No_Offence_Alan

    I'm interpreting this as you saying white South Africans have a lower IQ than their compatriots. Or am I wrong?
    I would suggest that the ones who are still there are probably stupider than the ones who left two decades ago.

    My wife is from South Africa, almost her university entire graduating class left the country. Her best friend from High School and her husband, very successful entreupreners, have been here in LA for a decade.

    The ones who are left behind are not the brightest, because even the moderately not dim saw the direction of travel more than a decade ago.

    (Interestingly, we're now hiring very bright black South Africans who are graduating from prestiguous South African universities and see better opportunities abroad.)
    So you're saying the brightest South Africans are the whites who saw the inevitable chaotic and miserable end of black majority rule and got out early? Or am I somehow misinterpreting?
    I am saying the brighter whites left two decades ago, and it is the stupid whites left.

    And now it is the bright africans who are leaving.

    Would you like me to draw you a picture?
    The clear implication is that South Africa was bound to fail under black majority rule so the smart white people left ASAFP

    This isn't a gotcha. I'm just intrigued that you are being so candid with your opinion. Most effete LA liberals hedge around the issue, indeed most people anywhere do so

    Perhaps it is another symptom of the Vibeshift
    It's more ANC majority rule and the grifting, corruption and incompetence that goes with it.

    There's no reason a black majority democracy shouldn't work very well, and a multi racial one at that - almost an exact inversion of the USA - but it cannot be tribal and racially partisan.

    Those are both things that SA struggles with.
    Yes, Botswana, The Bahamas, Dominica etc. are successful democracies. South Africa, under apartheid, exemplified corruption, grifting, and incompetence.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 993

    Off-topic:

    We've just been filling out the forms for our son's entry to secondary school. It's been fairly easy, as he has no medical complaints, learning difficulties, allergies, etc.

    But there's one area that we've carefully considered and not given consent. The school uses fingerprints to access things like the library and canteen, and we don't like the idea of our son's biometric information being used for this. They also include no information of which company provides the biometrics service, or what exactly is being stored (the fingerprint itself, a hash, etc)?

    I'd be interested to hear your views on whether we're being stupidly cautious, or whether anyone else's school uses such a system?

    Is your son doing six years in a juvenile detention centre? Why are they scared of unauthorised access to the library? Since you have declined consent, will your boy starve to death if he is locked out of the canteen, or will his classmates chuck bread rolls over the wall?
    Shirley, the correct approach is to show his classmates all those old prisoner of war movies? The potential for practical, cooperative projects, to gain access to the canteen or smuggle food out seems endless.
    Yep, thumbprint to pay in the canteen.
    I assume the reasoning is they are unlikely to lose their thumb.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,859
    This is a public forum - so I have to be careful what I say - but I've been shocked in the last week by looking at the set-up of two major government programmes.

    On both there is a huge central overhead of checkers, assurers, reporters and monitors but it isn't actually clear why the client organisation exists or what risks they're supposed to be controlling. They have struggled to recruit for client roles (the Prime Minister salary cap is part of it, but they also don't really know what skills they need) so lots are backfilled with consultants. Meanwhile, they try and shunt all risk and liability - which they don't really understand - onto the supply chain which they either can't take, so refuse the work or do so out of desperation, because they need the work, and then go bankrupt the first time it's drawn upon. They jump straight to putting a spade in the ground without taking the time (it can take up to 2 years or more to set a major programme up for success) to design the organisation and the delivery model properly, and run straight into a brick wall.

    A surprisingly large number of people are OK with that, and believe it's important. Hard truths are not welcomed and most people invest 90%+ of their time and energy in defending their turf and not doing what's necessary to get the job done well. Because it requires hard work, a bit of moral courage, and making some decisions.

    It says everything about our process culture.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,573

    Meanwhile, in Brenda From Bristol news,

    The BBC can reveal that a newly-elected Leicestershire County Councillor was sacked from the police last year.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cre9z20x0r3o.amp

    Quelle surprise! Elected for Reform UK.
    Given how lax the police have become over serious criminals / serious criminal behaviour in their ranks, I am more surprised he actually got fired for taking a few sickies.
    Probably a “problem” character who the Senior Management Team wanted rid of.

    Reminds me of when, in Oxford, one local copper was dismissed for something to do with literally £1 something of expenses - “it’s harsh, but we have to enforce the rules”,

    At the same time, every trick was being tried to save policeman. Who had been caught on early CCTV assaulting someone who was lying injured on the ground. And stole property from the semi-conscious person.
    If you read the article, he was caught on a couple of occasions of working in his own car business when calling in sick. It's pretty cut and dried. I would expect similar punishment if I did the same.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,497

    Off-topic:

    We've just been filling out the forms for our son's entry to secondary school. It's been fairly easy, as he has no medical complaints, learning difficulties, allergies, etc.

    But there's one area that we've carefully considered and not given consent. The school uses fingerprints to access things like the library and canteen, and we don't like the idea of our son's biometric information being used for this. They also include no information of which company provides the biometrics service, or what exactly is being stored (the fingerprint itself, a hash, etc)?

    I'd be interested to hear your views on whether we're being stupidly cautious, or whether anyone else's school uses such a system?

    Why are schools going for such an approach in the first place. What is wrong with keycard and a lanyard ;-)
    Children are children; lanyards get lost or mixed up. The brilliant thing about fingerprints is that the chain from person to ID is so direct. Most school systems store about six(?) points, rather than the whole fingerprint.

    (And such systems are pretty common at secondary level. JJ- I'd say you are being scrupulous, but I'm happy to trust your conscience about the degree of scrupulousness. It can't be the first time a school near Cambridge has had this issue... What's their work round?)
    They haven't said what the workaround is. Neither have they said who the service provider is (assuming, almost certainly correctly, that they have not developed the system themselves...) I daresay that, having refused, we're going to find out. :)

    I can understand why the system may be seen as more secure, less hassle, and easier to administrate for them, than systems like cash or keycard. It's just that we're nervous about signing away our son's biometrics in this manner, especially with so little information on the system. And if it stores enough to tell him apart from a thousand other kids, it'd be useful to other people and agencies as well.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,713

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Quite a sinister sounding statement from the ANC, saying that Afrikaner refugees are “fleeing from justice, equality and accountability for historic privilege”.of

    https://x.com/mystisk_za/status/1922262192415477892

    No they are fleeing the ANC confiscation of their family farms often without compensation.

    Trump is right on this, the ANC are treating farmers even worse than Starmer
    Either way, their moving from SA to USA is increasing the average IQ of both countries.
    I'm interpreting this as you saying white South Africans have a lower IQ than their compatriots. Or am I wrong?

    Do tell
    Still no answer from you @No_Offence_Alan

    I'm interpreting this as you saying white South Africans have a lower IQ than their compatriots. Or am I wrong?
    I would suggest that the ones who are still there are probably stupider than the ones who left two decades ago.

    My wife is from South Africa, almost her university entire graduating class left the country. Her best friend from High School and her husband, very successful entreupreners, have been here in LA for a decade.

    The ones who are left behind are not the brightest, because even the moderately not dim saw the direction of travel more than a decade ago.

    (Interestingly, we're now hiring very bright black South Africans who are graduating from prestiguous South African universities and see better opportunities abroad.)
    So you're saying the brightest South Africans are the whites who saw the inevitable chaotic and miserable end of black majority rule and got out early? Or am I somehow misinterpreting?
    I am saying the brighter whites left two decades ago, and it is the stupid whites left.

    And now it is the bright africans who are leaving.

    Would you like me to draw you a picture?
    The clear implication is that South Africa was bound to fail under black majority rule so the smart white people left ASAFP

    This isn't a gotcha. I'm just intrigued that you are being so candid with your opinion. Most effete LA liberals hedge around the issue, indeed most people anywhere do so

    Perhaps it is another symptom of the Vibeshift
    If you have one group of people oppressed by another, who then take over, then yes I think it's highly likely things will get fucked up. You see this with national liberation movements across South America too.

    South Africa has fallen well behind -say- Botswana, and that has democratic black african rule. But it also had the advantage that it didn't have the bulk of the country's wealth being held by a few people who looked different from most of the population.
    Fair enough

    The interesting countries are the exceptions

    Chile and Uruguay stand out in LatAm

    In MENA Morocco seems to have done best in delivering relative freedom, increasing prosperity, gender equality (within reason), while avoiding Islamism or hideous despotism

    Kazakhstan has done comparatively very well, weirdly (having just been there).
    Morocco: monarchy.
    Monarchies do better on the balancing freedom and responsibility thing, as a rule.
    Yes, they absolutely do

    If I could advise any young nation finding its first way in the world (and, frankly, I'd be good at this) I would say: Be a monarchy, preferably an ancient monarchy. It really really helps. It provides stablity, it provides identity, it is a source of reassurance, pageantry, pride, accrued wisdom

    We would be insane to get rid of ours, for all its flaws, and - thankfully - there is little chance of our doing so. Indeed I suspect the tendency is now TOWARDS monarchy in much of the world. Australia, Canada and NZ are all less likely to go republican than they were ten years ago, for instance
    It may be that support for republicanism is closely correlated with that for high liberalism.
    Out of the twenty countries with the highest HDI, thirteen are constitutional monarchies. The evidence is clear, that a democratic constitutional monarchy is the most successful form of government.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,392

    Off-topic:

    We've just been filling out the forms for our son's entry to secondary school. It's been fairly easy, as he has no medical complaints, learning difficulties, allergies, etc.

    But there's one area that we've carefully considered and not given consent. The school uses fingerprints to access things like the library and canteen, and we don't like the idea of our son's biometric information being used for this. They also include no information of which company provides the biometrics service, or what exactly is being stored (the fingerprint itself, a hash, etc)?

    I'd be interested to hear your views on whether we're being stupidly cautious, or whether anyone else's school uses such a system?

    What’s the very worst that could happen?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,497
    Foxy said:

    Off-topic:

    We've just been filling out the forms for our son's entry to secondary school. It's been fairly easy, as he has no medical complaints, learning difficulties, allergies, etc.

    But there's one area that we've carefully considered and not given consent. The school uses fingerprints to access things like the library and canteen, and we don't like the idea of our son's biometric information being used for this. They also include no information of which company provides the biometrics service, or what exactly is being stored (the fingerprint itself, a hash, etc)?

    I'd be interested to hear your views on whether we're being stupidly cautious, or whether anyone else's school uses such a system?

    Why not ask the school the questions on who is their data holder, etc?
    We will. But it's not just the data holder; it's the systems that are used as well. It's the chain of trust - we may trust the school, but why should we 'trust' the companies that provide the hardware and db backends?

    Remember just how valuable personal data is nowadays...
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,497
    IanB2 said:

    Off-topic:

    We've just been filling out the forms for our son's entry to secondary school. It's been fairly easy, as he has no medical complaints, learning difficulties, allergies, etc.

    But there's one area that we've carefully considered and not given consent. The school uses fingerprints to access things like the library and canteen, and we don't like the idea of our son's biometric information being used for this. They also include no information of which company provides the biometrics service, or what exactly is being stored (the fingerprint itself, a hash, etc)?

    I'd be interested to hear your views on whether we're being stupidly cautious, or whether anyone else's school uses such a system?

    What’s the very worst that could happen?
    Would you willingly give the police your fingerprints to store on a db forever, even if you have not been accused of any crime?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,560
    Foxy said:

    Meanwhile, in Brenda From Bristol news,

    The BBC can reveal that a newly-elected Leicestershire County Councillor was sacked from the police last year.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cre9z20x0r3o.amp

    Quelle surprise! Elected for Reform UK.
    Given how lax the police have become over serious criminals / serious criminal behaviour in their ranks, I am more surprised he actually got fired for taking a few sickies.
    Probably a “problem” character who the Senior Management Team wanted rid of.

    Reminds me of when, in Oxford, one local copper was dismissed for something to do with literally £1 something of expenses - “it’s harsh, but we have to enforce the rules”,

    At the same time, every trick was being tried to save policeman. Who had been caught on early CCTV assaulting someone who was lying injured on the ground. And stole property from the semi-conscious person.
    If you read the article, he was caught on a couple of occasions of working in his own car business when calling in sick. It's pretty cut and dried. I would expect similar punishment if I did the same.
    I was referring to the fact they noticed/didn’t turn a blind eye.

    See the career of Ali Disaster Area - decades of inability to notice the obvious. Because he had the right friends.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,241
    edited 6:53AM

    This is a public forum - so I have to be careful what I say - but I've been shocked in the last week by looking at the set-up of two major government programmes.

    On both there is a huge central overhead of checkers, assurers, reporters and monitors but it isn't actually clear why the client organisation exists or what risks they're supposed to be controlling. They have struggled to recruit for client roles (the Prime Minister salary cap is part of it, but they also don't really know what skills they need) so lots are backfilled with consultants. Meanwhile, they try and shunt all risk and liability - which they don't really understand - onto the supply chain which they either can't take, so refuse the work or do so out of desperation, because they need the work, and then go bankrupt the first time it's drawn upon. They jump straight to putting a spade in the ground without taking the time (it can take up to 2 years or more to set a major programme up for success) to design the organisation and the delivery model properly, and run straight into a brick wall.

    A surprisingly large number of people are OK with that, and believe it's important. Hard truths are not welcomed and most people invest 90%+ of their time and energy in defending their turf and not doing what's necessary to get the job done well. Because it requires hard work, a bit of moral courage, and making some decisions.

    It says everything about our process culture.

    Good morning

    My dear wife received a text from a south coast job centre reminding here of her UC appointment for today

    At first we thought it was a scam, but a family member contacted the job centre who apologised and said the wrong mobile number had been inputed into the system but thanked us for contacting them

    Maybe easily done, but it is amusing that my wife should receive an invitation to consider UC but also at 85 bought it to my attention concerned she was being scammed
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,658
    IanB2 said:

    Off-topic:

    We've just been filling out the forms for our son's entry to secondary school. It's been fairly easy, as he has no medical complaints, learning difficulties, allergies, etc.

    But there's one area that we've carefully considered and not given consent. The school uses fingerprints to access things like the library and canteen, and we don't like the idea of our son's biometric information being used for this. They also include no information of which company provides the biometrics service, or what exactly is being stored (the fingerprint itself, a hash, etc)?

    I'd be interested to hear your views on whether we're being stupidly cautious, or whether anyone else's school uses such a system?

    What’s the very worst that could happen?

    Off-topic:

    We've just been filling out the forms for our son's entry to secondary school. It's been fairly easy, as he has no medical complaints, learning difficulties, allergies, etc.

    But there's one area that we've carefully considered and not given consent. The school uses fingerprints to access things like the library and canteen, and we don't like the idea of our son's biometric information being used for this. They also include no information of which company provides the biometrics service, or what exactly is being stored (the fingerprint itself, a hash, etc)?

    I'd be interested to hear your views on whether we're being stupidly cautious, or whether anyone else's school uses such a system?

    Why are schools going for such an approach in the first place. What is wrong with keycard and a lanyard ;-)
    Children are children; lanyards get lost or mixed up. The brilliant thing about fingerprints is that the chain from person to ID is so direct. Most school systems store about six(?) points, rather than the whole fingerprint.

    (And such systems are pretty common at secondary level. JJ- I'd say you are being scrupulous, but I'm happy to trust your conscience about the degree of scrupulousness. It can't be the first time a school near Cambridge has had this issue... What's their work round?)
    They haven't said what the workaround is. Neither have they said who the service provider is (assuming, almost certainly correctly, that they have not developed the system themselves...) I daresay that, having refused, we're going to find out. :)

    I can understand why the system may be seen as more secure, less hassle, and easier to administrate for them, than systems like cash or keycard. It's just that we're nervous about signing away our son's biometrics in this manner, especially with so little information on the system. And if it stores enough to tell him apart from a thousand other kids, it'd be useful to other people and agencies as well.
    Indeed, I now access all my bank accounts (and my laptop) using my thumbprint, the data could be very useful to someone when he is old enough to have bank accounts
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,392

    IanB2 said:

    Off-topic:

    We've just been filling out the forms for our son's entry to secondary school. It's been fairly easy, as he has no medical complaints, learning difficulties, allergies, etc.

    But there's one area that we've carefully considered and not given consent. The school uses fingerprints to access things like the library and canteen, and we don't like the idea of our son's biometric information being used for this. They also include no information of which company provides the biometrics service, or what exactly is being stored (the fingerprint itself, a hash, etc)?

    I'd be interested to hear your views on whether we're being stupidly cautious, or whether anyone else's school uses such a system?

    What’s the very worst that could happen?
    Would you willingly give the police your fingerprints to store on a db forever, even if you have not been accused of any crime?
    Aren’t we soon going to have to do that, to leave the country?
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,301

    The government is abolishing NHS England without a clear plan for how it will be achieved and how it will benefit frontline care, a cross-party group of MPs has warned.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g23m22x22o

    From a research perspective, NHS England is now the source of research data on hospital care (since they swallowed up NHS Digital) so this is a bit concerning from that point of view. The former NHS Digital staff are already overworked, and many I think pretty done with the constant reorganisation. They've lost people, wait times for data have shot up - I have two studies that have been extended by the funder (another part of the NHS) at additional cost because NHS England have failed to provide data anywhere near their advertised timescales. On on one study, it took three years; advertised timescales are less than one year. I'm actively avoiding putting NHS England data in study proposals at the moment as it's such a nightmare from a study management point of view.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,596
    IanB2 said:

    Off-topic:

    We've just been filling out the forms for our son's entry to secondary school. It's been fairly easy, as he has no medical complaints, learning difficulties, allergies, etc.

    But there's one area that we've carefully considered and not given consent. The school uses fingerprints to access things like the library and canteen, and we don't like the idea of our son's biometric information being used for this. They also include no information of which company provides the biometrics service, or what exactly is being stored (the fingerprint itself, a hash, etc)?

    I'd be interested to hear your views on whether we're being stupidly cautious, or whether anyone else's school uses such a system?

    What’s the very worst that could happen?
    Duh, duh, duuuu...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,264
    edited 7:21AM
    CD13 said:

    If in doubt, and poisoning is possible, it will be Vlad. why do I suspect that?

    In 2004, I wrote a review paper in the scientific literature on the chemistry, toxicogy, and environmental consequences of dibenzodixins and dibenzofurans. I was contacted for advice by the American government and as a consequence, I gave them what they asked for.

    All I will say is that I was sent the results of a series of blood analyses that weren't cheap. The question they wanted answering was straightforward and it apears that an important person who suffered from the symptoms of cloracne in 1975 had been deliberately poisoned. OK, the people involved were anonymised but I don't claim to be Sherlock Holmes.

    Later that year, they confirmed that the 'world experts' they asked were unanimous. That was nice to know anyway.

    1975 ?
    Weren't those still the days of Agent Orange ?

    2004 was Yushchenko, obvs.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 780

    This is a public forum - so I have to be careful what I say - but I've been shocked in the last week by looking at the set-up of two major government programmes.

    On both there is a huge central overhead of checkers, assurers, reporters and monitors but it isn't actually clear why the client organisation exists or what risks they're supposed to be controlling. They have struggled to recruit for client roles (the Prime Minister salary cap is part of it, but they also don't really know what skills they need) so lots are backfilled with consultants. Meanwhile, they try and shunt all risk and liability - which they don't really understand - onto the supply chain which they either can't take, so refuse the work or do so out of desperation, because they need the work, and then go bankrupt the first time it's drawn upon. They jump straight to putting a spade in the ground without taking the time (it can take up to 2 years or more to set a major programme up for success) to design the organisation and the delivery model properly, and run straight into a brick wall.

    A surprisingly large number of people are OK with that, and believe it's important. Hard truths are not welcomed and most people invest 90%+ of their time and energy in defending their turf and not doing what's necessary to get the job done well. Because it requires hard work, a bit of moral courage, and making some decisions.

    It says everything about our process culture.

    This spades in the ground issue has been a British one for all my working life. Ian Gibson who was hired by Nissan to get the Sunderland plant up and running says he was so keen to impress his new bosses he said he would get a spade out himself and start building.

    They were shocked and explained that they Japanese way way to plan in detail beforehand so there were no surprises (aka loss of face). He spent almost two years planning the plant and it was constructed on time with production soon after. Japanese manufacturing can only work on predicables. We just hope for the best - a bit like the way we pick our politicians
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,385
    Mr b,

    2004 was the correct year, and it was Yushchenko. Do the Americans still have a dept of Homeland Security any more, but has Trump obliterated it. 1975 was when I joined Roche. Courtesy of the Seveso disaster, my Christmas bonus was virtually non-existent for several years.

    I'm surprised you even remember it.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,961
    edited 1:23PM
    David Lammy accused of refusing to pay £590 taxi fare

    The driver told regional paper La Provence that he left the couple at their destination and drove to the local police station to report the incident.

    Officers reportedly discovered two diplomatic passports and two number plates, as well as a coded briefcase, in the boot, allowing police to identify Mr Lammy.

    “We totally refute these accusations,” a spokesman for the Foreign Office (FCDO) told 20 Minutes. “The fare was paid in full. The Foreign Secretary and his wife were interviewed as victims in this case, and the driver is being prosecuted for theft.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/14/david-lammy-accused-refusing-pay-french-taxi-fare/
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,261

    David Lammy accused of refusing to pay £590 taxi fare

    The driver told regional paper La Provence that he left the couple at their destination and drove to the local police station to report the incident.

    Officers reportedly discovered two diplomatic passports and two number plates, as well as a coded briefcase, in the boot, allowing police to identify Mr Lammy.

    “We totally refute these accusations,” a spokesman for the Foreign Office (FCDO) told 20 Minutes. “The fare was paid in full. The Foreign Secretary and his wife were interviewed as victims in this case, and the driver is being prosecuted for theft.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/14/david-lammy-accused-refusing-pay-french-taxi-fare/

    A headline that seems to collapse by the last paragraph.
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