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Political betting is being blamed for the Tories losing control of every council tonight

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  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,326
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Lucky escape for Labour in Redbridge / Hainault where they win by one vote over an independent.

    Slipped under the radar, had no idea there was a by-election in da North Ilford Ghetto :lol:
    I wonder if this was the same indy who nearly defeated Wes Streeting at the general election?
    No, not a Gaza indy
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,326
    Can't see Labour gaining 72 wards based on these early results lol
  • KnightOutKnightOut Posts: 153

    Andy_JS said:

    Another candidate has arrived here at the Runcorn and Helsby count - and a party leader at that.

    It’s Howling Laud Hope of the Monster Raving Loony Party.

    IIRC he was once elected to a town council in somewhere like Tiverton.
    Bloody hell he is 82 and still doing this lark.
    Does he still spend the whole day drinking in a local Spoons before heading to the count?

    I had a couple of pleasant pints with him on the day of the Tooting By Election a few years back.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544
    "Staffordshire County Council
    @StaffordshireCC
    Lichfield – Lichfield Rural East

    Tracey Dougherty, Reform UK: 1197 - ELECTED
    Jennifer Mackintosh, Labour Party: 357
    Andrew Rushton, Lib Dem: 575
    Alan White, Local Conservative: 958

    Reform win from Con."

    https://x.com/StaffordshireCC/status/1918105424101810254
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,614
    Broxbourne splits 4;2 Con, Reform on Herts County Council.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,999
    Some monster swings Con to Ref in Broxbourne.
    30%+.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,326
    North Tyneside soon
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544
    dixiedean said:

    Some monster swings Con to Ref in Broxbourne.
    30%+.

    Labour third in Waltham Cross which is usually their best area.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,679
    Jon Craig pumping that it is close between Labour and Reform in Runcorn.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544
    edited 1:17AM

    Jon Craig pumping that it is close between Labour and Reform in Runcorn.

    my prediction was a Ref win by just 1% and I'm sticking with that.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,326
    Has the more leafy vote held up for the Tories whilst the white working class has just decamped en masse to Reform ?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,614
    Andy_JS said:

    Jon Craig pumping that it is close between Labour and Reform in Runcorn.

    my prediction was a Ref win by just 1% and I'm sticking with that.
    On the basis of what we’ve seen so far, I would be surprised if RefUK fail to win comfortably.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,614
    Pulpstar said:

    Has the more leafy vote held up for the Tories whilst the white working class has just decamped en masse to Reform ?

    I think the two divisions Reform gained in Broxbourne were the poshest.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,801

    Andy_JS said:

    Lucky escape for Labour in Redbridge / Hainault where they win by one vote over an independent.

    Slipped under the radar, had no idea there was a by-election in da North Ilford Ghetto :lol:
    Just to be clear, I'm in a different ward.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544
    edited 1:22AM
    Pulpstar said:

    Has the more leafy vote held up for the Tories whilst the white working class has just decamped en masse to Reform ?

    It's held up better but not completely. Lichfield Rural South is above as leafy as it gets in the Midlands and the Tories held on but it was pretty close.

    https://x.com/Lichfield_DC/status/1918110607263371344
    https://x.com/Lichfield_DC/status/1918110625504362553
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544
    RefUK saying Lab has held on in North Tyneside by 444 votes.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,801
    Tice, unsurprisingly, calling Lincolnshire for Reform.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544
    Ref + Tories get more than 50% of votes in North Tyneside but Lab wins it narrowly.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,614
    Andy_JS said:

    RefUK saying Lab has held on in North Tyneside by 444 votes.

    One can assume that Lincolnshire and Doncaster have gone Reform.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544
    "Tamworth - Perrycrofts

    Ian Stuart Cooper Reform UK 1517 35% Elected
    Robert Steven Pritchard Conservative 1037 24% Not elected
    Richard John Samuel Kingstone Independent 1021 23% Not elected
    Gareth Coates Labour 588 14% Not elected
    Owxn Harrison Smith Green Party 160 4% Not elected
    Lisa Jane Morris UK Independence Party 27 1% Not elected

    Tamworth - The Heaths

    Hayley Coles Reform UK 2020 55% Elected
    Brett Bryan Beetham Conservative 746 20% Not elected
    Chris Bain Labour and Co-operative Party 595 16% Not elected
    Emily Walker Green Party 233 6% Not elected
    Tony Fergus UK Independence Party 65 2% Not elected


    Tamworth - Watling

    Wayne Luca Reform UK 2164 56% Elected
    Jeremy Oates Conservative 1004 26% Not elected
    Ben Clarke Labour 702 18% Not elected"

    https://vote-2012.proboards.com/posts/recent
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544
    edited 1:33AM
    Rumour that Labour may have held Runcorn by 200 votes. Merseyside effect.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,887
    Andy_JS said:

    Rumour that Labour may have held Runcorn by 200 votes. Merseyside effect.

    If it was that close, wouldn't there would be a recount?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,614
    GIN1138 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Rumour that Labour may have held Runcorn by 200 votes. Merseyside effect.

    If it was that close, wouldn't there would be a recount?
    Yes
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544
    edited 1:39AM
    GIN1138 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Rumour that Labour may have held Runcorn by 200 votes. Merseyside effect.

    If it was that close, wouldn't there would be a recount?
    You'd think so. We could be in for a 5 or 6 in the morning result, which is not what I was hoping for.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,614
    Reform are ahead 8/1 in Staffordshire. My guess is that council will be a Reform gain.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,679
    I forgot that Arron Banks is Reform candidate for Mayor of West of England.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,326
    Matched at 2-1 for lab in Runcorn for £4 lol
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544

    I forgot that Arron Banks is Reform candidate for Mayor of West of England.

    Can't believe that Bristol could be represented by Arron Banks.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,679
    Andy_JS said:

    I forgot that Arron Banks is Reform candidate for Mayor of West of England.

    Can't believe that Bristol could be represented by Arron Banks.
    As I say, they will be rioting in the streets.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,326
    Reform ahead in Runcorn betting but not overwhelmingly so now
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544

    Andy_JS said:

    I forgot that Arron Banks is Reform candidate for Mayor of West of England.

    Can't believe that Bristol could be represented by Arron Banks.
    As I say, they will be rioting in the streets.
    It looks like there may have been some complacency from lefties in Bristol and Bath with turnout being disappointing compared to what you'd usually expect.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,614
    There must be a good chance that both Labour and Conservatives will fall into the high teens in NEV share.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,918
    Andy_JS said:

    "Tamworth - Perrycrofts

    Ian Stuart Cooper Reform UK 1517 35% Elected
    Robert Steven Pritchard Conservative 1037 24% Not elected
    Richard John Samuel Kingstone Independent 1021 23% Not elected
    Gareth Coates Labour 588 14% Not elected
    Owxn Harrison Smith Green Party 160 4% Not elected
    Lisa Jane Morris UK Independence Party 27 1% Not elected

    Tamworth - The Heaths

    Hayley Coles Reform UK 2020 55% Elected
    Brett Bryan Beetham Conservative 746 20% Not elected
    Chris Bain Labour and Co-operative Party 595 16% Not elected
    Emily Walker Green Party 233 6% Not elected
    Tony Fergus UK Independence Party 65 2% Not elected


    Tamworth - Watling

    Wayne Luca Reform UK 2164 56% Elected
    Jeremy Oates Conservative 1004 26% Not elected
    Ben Clarke Labour 702 18% Not elected"

    https://vote-2012.proboards.com/posts/recent

    Owxn?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,581
    Sean_F said:

    There must be a good chance that both Labour and Conservatives will fall into the high teens in NEV share.

    I could be wrong, but I think this has been quite a good evening for Reform.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,326
    Betting odds more confident with Labour/ Runcorn now
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,614
    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    There must be a good chance that both Labour and Conservatives will fall into the high teens in NEV share.

    I could be wrong, but I think this has been quite a good evening for Reform.
    Expectations were high, and they seem to have exceeded them.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544
    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    There must be a good chance that both Labour and Conservatives will fall into the high teens in NEV share.

    I could be wrong, but I think this has been quite a good evening for Reform.
    Expectations were high, and they seem to have exceeded them.
    Runcorn would be something of a dampener if they fall short.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,679
    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    There must be a good chance that both Labour and Conservatives will fall into the high teens in NEV share.

    I could be wrong, but I think this has been quite a good evening for Reform.
    Expectations were high, and they seem to have exceeded them.
    If they don't win Runcorn is that a big dent to it? PR wise I think it could be.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    There must be a good chance that both Labour and Conservatives will fall into the high teens in NEV share.

    I could be wrong, but I think this has been quite a good evening for Reform.
    Expectations were high, and they seem to have exceeded them.
    If they don't win Runcorn is that a big dent to it? PR wise I think it could be.
    Questions will be asked about their choice of candidate, someone who was a prominent Tory councillor until quite recently IIRC.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,614

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    There must be a good chance that both Labour and Conservatives will fall into the high teens in NEV share.

    I could be wrong, but I think this has been quite a good evening for Reform.
    Expectations were high, and they seem to have exceeded them.
    If they don't win Runcorn is that a big dent to it? PR wise I think it could be.
    Not if they win, say, 600 seats, and 3 - 4 Mayoralties.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,801
    Martin Baxter on GB News.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,326
    They're going to choke on their soy lattes in Clifton if Banks wins lol
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544

    Martin Baxter on GB News.

    Missed him.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,918
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    There must be a good chance that both Labour and Conservatives will fall into the high teens in NEV share.

    I could be wrong, but I think this has been quite a good evening for Reform.
    Expectations were high, and they seem to have exceeded them.
    If they don't win Runcorn is that a big dent to it? PR wise I think it could be.
    Not if they win, say, 600 seats, and 3 - 4 Mayoralties.
    I think Reform's chances in Runcorn were always overstated. Not natural Reform territory. If they don't win it, they did remarkably well to get this close.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,801
    Recount in Runcorn?!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544
    Cookie said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    There must be a good chance that both Labour and Conservatives will fall into the high teens in NEV share.

    I could be wrong, but I think this has been quite a good evening for Reform.
    Expectations were high, and they seem to have exceeded them.
    If they don't win Runcorn is that a big dent to it? PR wise I think it could be.
    Not if they win, say, 600 seats, and 3 - 4 Mayoralties.
    I think Reform's chances in Runcorn were always overstated. Not natural Reform territory. If they don't win it, they did remarkably well to get this close.
    If they do lose by 200 votes, the talk about posh Tories in Helsby voting Labour to stop Ref could indeed be an accurate account of what happened. There wouldn't be many voters in that category but there could be up to 500 or so.
  • vikvik Posts: 299
    Cookie said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    There must be a good chance that both Labour and Conservatives will fall into the high teens in NEV share.

    I could be wrong, but I think this has been quite a good evening for Reform.
    Expectations were high, and they seem to have exceeded them.
    If they don't win Runcorn is that a big dent to it? PR wise I think it could be.
    Not if they win, say, 600 seats, and 3 - 4 Mayoralties.
    I think Reform's chances in Runcorn were always overstated. Not natural Reform territory. If they don't win it, they did remarkably well to get this close.
    Not on politicalbetting.com they weren't. Lol.

    It was considered a foregone conclusion here.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,801
    Andy_JS said:

    Martin Baxter on GB News.

    Missed him.
    He's on now
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544

    Andy_JS said:

    Martin Baxter on GB News.

    Missed him.
    He's on now
    Watching now.
  • vinovino Posts: 181
    Cookie said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    There must be a good chance that both Labour and Conservatives will fall into the high teens in NEV share.

    I could be wrong, but I think this has been quite a good evening for Reform.
    Expectations were high, and they seem to have exceeded them.
    If they don't win Runcorn is that a big dent to it? PR wise I think it could be.
    Not if they win, say, 600 seats, and 3 - 4 Mayoralties.
    I think Reform's chances in Runcorn were always overstated. Not natural Reform territory. If they don't win it, they did remarkably well to get this close.
    Agree entirely - hoped as the first results of the night came through that they stood a good chance.
  • vinovino Posts: 181
    vik said:

    Cookie said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    There must be a good chance that both Labour and Conservatives will fall into the high teens in NEV share.

    I could be wrong, but I think this has been quite a good evening for Reform.
    Expectations were high, and they seem to have exceeded them.
    If they don't win Runcorn is that a big dent to it? PR wise I think it could be.
    Not if they win, say, 600 seats, and 3 - 4 Mayoralties.
    I think Reform's chances in Runcorn were always overstated. Not natural Reform territory. If they don't win it, they did remarkably well to get this close.
    Not on politicalbetting.com they weren't. Lol.

    It was considered a foregone conclusion here.
    Only by rich,privately educated remainers who haven't got a clue about Reform voters
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,679
    Do we reckon Farage is hiding around the corner, if Reform don't win, he disappears into the night?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544
    edited 2:20AM

    Do we reckon Farage is hiding around the corner, if Reform don't win, he disappears into the night?

    Yes, pretty much. He'll probably be heading to Staffs instead which is almost certainly going to be an easy win for the party.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,614
    Reform win Boston by 55% to 20%.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,206
    I predicted a Labour win in Runcorn.
    Let’s see.

    My record on by-elections and general elections is pretty good.

    On referenda and Trump-elections, it’s shit.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,918
    vik said:

    Cookie said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    There must be a good chance that both Labour and Conservatives will fall into the high teens in NEV share.

    I could be wrong, but I think this has been quite a good evening for Reform.
    Expectations were high, and they seem to have exceeded them.
    If they don't win Runcorn is that a big dent to it? PR wise I think it could be.
    Not if they win, say, 600 seats, and 3 - 4 Mayoralties.
    I think Reform's chances in Runcorn were always overstated. Not natural Reform territory. If they don't win it, they did remarkably well to get this close.
    Not on politicalbetting.com they weren't. Lol.

    It was considered a foregone conclusion here.
    I'd say there was a range of opinions on here. I'm one of at least several who thought a Labour win more likely.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,326
    Aapl reckon they've moved the entire US bound supply chain out of China.
    I guess when you've got hundreds of billions of dollars in the bank you can stick up new factories in India, Vietnam or wherever pretty fast lol
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544
    Partial recount in Runcorn, but RefUK should request a full recount because votes have been known to be found lying around in the past.
  • vikvik Posts: 299
    Labour now at 1.35 for Runcorn.

    Wow.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,679
    Now piles of ballot papers are being put back in front of the teams doing the counting. It's definitely a re-check of bundles at the very least.
  • vikvik Posts: 299
    Cookie said:

    vik said:

    Cookie said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    There must be a good chance that both Labour and Conservatives will fall into the high teens in NEV share.

    I could be wrong, but I think this has been quite a good evening for Reform.
    Expectations were high, and they seem to have exceeded them.
    If they don't win Runcorn is that a big dent to it? PR wise I think it could be.
    Not if they win, say, 600 seats, and 3 - 4 Mayoralties.
    I think Reform's chances in Runcorn were always overstated. Not natural Reform territory. If they don't win it, they did remarkably well to get this close.
    Not on politicalbetting.com they weren't. Lol.

    It was considered a foregone conclusion here.
    I'd say there was a range of opinions on here. I'm one of at least several who thought a Labour win more likely.
    For sure, there were are a few people saying otherwise, like you and MoonRabbit, but the overall consensus here was that it would be an easy Reform win.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544

    Now piles of ballot papers are being put back in front of the teams doing the counting. It's definitely a re-check of bundles at the very least.

    Why not request a full recount? No harm in asking the returning officer for one.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544
    vik said:

    Cookie said:

    vik said:

    Cookie said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    There must be a good chance that both Labour and Conservatives will fall into the high teens in NEV share.

    I could be wrong, but I think this has been quite a good evening for Reform.
    Expectations were high, and they seem to have exceeded them.
    If they don't win Runcorn is that a big dent to it? PR wise I think it could be.
    Not if they win, say, 600 seats, and 3 - 4 Mayoralties.
    I think Reform's chances in Runcorn were always overstated. Not natural Reform territory. If they don't win it, they did remarkably well to get this close.
    Not on politicalbetting.com they weren't. Lol.

    It was considered a foregone conclusion here.
    I'd say there was a range of opinions on here. I'm one of at least several who thought a Labour win more likely.
    For sure, there were are a few people saying otherwise, like you and MoonRabbit, but the overall consensus here was that it would be an easy Reform win.
    That wasn't my impression, there were more people saying a close Reform win than an easy one.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,679
    edited 2:34AM
    Candidates in Runcorn and Helsby have been told that there are some discrepancies with the bundles of ballot papers, which could lead to further delay in the declaration.

    Is it going to come down to how many people who drew a penis on their ballot paper are adjudged to have made a vote for x....
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,614
    Reform lead 20/6 in Staffordshire.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544
    edited 2:38AM
    Sean_F said:

    Reform lead 20/6 in Staffordshire.

    Most of the seats in Cannock Chase and East Staffordshire will go to Reform tomorrow. Those are better areas for Reform than most of the places that have already declared.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,614
    Reform win South Holland by 48% to 29%.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544
    I'm starting to think this is less than 100 votes by the amount of time it's taking.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544
    edited 2:50AM
    Rumour that 4 votes in it, possibly in Reform's favour. Bloody hell.
  • vikvik Posts: 299
    Andy_JS said:

    Rumour that 4 votes in it, possibly in Reform's favour. Bloody hell.

    Yeah. Wow!!!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,679
    Andy_JS said:

    Rumour that 4 votes in it, possibly in Reform's favour. Bloody hell.

    Have another go....same time next Thursday.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544
    edited 2:53AM
    4 votes, my god. :):):):):)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,801
    Within 4 votes!!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,326
    4 votes is overturnable in a recount tbh, Reform should be maybe 10-11 favs ?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544
    edited 2:55AM
    Labour aren't going to let this result be announced until about 3 full recounts have been conducted, we're going to be here for a long time.

    Sometimes the returning officer lets the counters go home for a few hours in these circumstances.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,614
    You’d need probably a couple of recounts.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544

    Within 4 votes!!

    Democracy in action, wonderful.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,677
    Anybody think Starmer is going to be trying a sneaky unravelling of Brexit after tonight?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544
    edited 3:00AM
    Funny thing is that about 45 minutes ago Reform people at the count were looking very gloomy, so maybe some votes were found lying around that boosted their total slightly.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,333
    vik said:

    Labour now at 1.35 for Runcorn.

    Wow.

    Now Reform 1.34 so they've flip-flopped.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,614
    Andy_JS said:

    Funny thing is that about 45 minutes ago Reform people at the count were looking very gloomy, so maybe some votes were found lying around that boosted their total slightly.

    They may have found a bundle or two in the wrong pile.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544
    This is the second-closest election I've ever observed after Winchester 1997 was which was a 2 vote win by the LDs, although that was a general election.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,333
    edited 3:10AM

    Anybody think Starmer is going to be trying a sneaky unravelling of Brexit after tonight?

    What does that mean? Any agreement with the EU could be characterised as a sneaky unravelling of Brexit.

    Any negotiation with the EU could be characterised as trying a sneaky unravelling of Brexit.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,801
    Andy_JS said:

    This is the second-closest election I've ever observed after Winchester 1997 was which was a 2 vote win by the LDs, although that was a general election.

    It was contested by the Tories, a by-election was called, but the LDs won by quite a massive margin second time around!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,326
    Locals reminding me a bit of the 2019 euro elections
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,801
    Well this is going to take a while, so good night all!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,679
    A Reform UK official tells the BBC the first count put their party four votes ahead of Labour.

    They add that Labour asked for the full recount that’s now happening.

    Separately, two other party officials confirm that Reform UK were four votes ahead of Labour on the first count.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,614
    edited 3:17AM
    Judging by the results from North Tyneside and Broxbourne, Reform may be doing well in quite prosperous areas, not just the Red Wall.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,679
    In a twist, it seems the Conservatives have re-entered the race at Doncaster racecourse - site of the Doncaster mayoral count.

    For most of the night, we thought it was quite close between Labour and Reform, but since the counting of the postal votes, there seems to be a surge for the Conservatives.

    So it seems that this have gone from a very, very tight race between two parties to a tight race between three parties.

    There is also a slight quirk in that two candidates have the surname Jones - incumbent Labour mayor Ros Jones and Reform candidate Alexander Jones.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544

    Andy_JS said:

    This is the second-closest election I've ever observed after Winchester 1997 was which was a 2 vote win by the LDs, although that was a general election.

    It was contested by the Tories, a by-election was called, but the LDs won by quite a massive margin second time around!
    True. oh, i've just remembered the 4 vote majority in Fermanagh and South Tyrone in 2005 maybe, or 2010. Too tired to look it up.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,559
    This is all we need. If Reform don’t win, there will be claims of vote rigging.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,581

    Andy_JS said:

    This is the second-closest election I've ever observed after Winchester 1997 was which was a 2 vote win by the LDs, although that was a general election.

    It was contested by the Tories, a by-election was called, but the LDs won by quite a massive margin second time around!
    Whatever happened to the winning Liberal Democrat MP?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,614
    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    This is the second-closest election I've ever observed after Winchester 1997 was which was a 2 vote win by the LDs, although that was a general election.

    It was contested by the Tories, a by-election was called, but the LDs won by quite a massive margin second time around!
    Whatever happened to the winning Liberal Democrat MP?
    I can remember someone posting on this site:

    “OMG, I’ve just found out what he paid extra for!”
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,679
    tlg86 said:

    This is all we need. If Reform don’t win, there will be claims of vote rigging.

    Its the deep state ;-)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,581
    tlg86 said:

    This is all we need. If Reform don’t win, there will be claims of vote rigging.

    It's very rare that leads are overturned. But 4 votes is a genuinely tiny margin.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,679
    West of England result about to be declared
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544

    West of England result about to be declared

    I think it would be the most extraordinary result I've ever witnessed if Banks wins it.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,614
    So far Reform have won 6/6 on Lincs. County Council.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544
    edited 3:57AM
    West of England mayoral result

    Lab 51,197 (24.97%)
    RefUK 45,252 (22.07%)
    Green 41,094 (20.04%)
    Con 34,092 (16.63%)
    LD 28,711 (14.00%)
    Scott Ind 4,682 (2.28%)
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,544
    edited 3:59AM
    Doncaster mayoral result (top 4 candidates)

    Lab 23,805
    Reform 23,107
    Con 18,982
    Grn 2,449
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