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  • FossFoss Posts: 1,431

    Reform don't have candidates everywhere. How much will that suppress their vote and where will Reform voters put their cross when they find out they can't vote for Reform?

    Surprisingly, Reform are fielding more candidates than anyone else.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,894
    edited May 1
    nico67 said:

    I’d vote Tory to keep Reform out . Needs must . It would be painful but I’d have to do it !

    If the Cameron Tory voters want their party to not sink without trace then that’s what they have to do .

    So would I. I'm very strong Labour but I'm even stronger anti Pop Right.

    But I hope to god it never comes to this. I'd need a doctor's appointment immediately after.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,323
    edited May 1
    Foss said:

    Reform don't have candidates everywhere. How much will that suppress their vote and where will Reform voters put their cross when they find out they can't vote for Reform?

    Surprisingly, Reform are fielding more candidates than anyone else.
    Both the Reform and Labour candidates have worked our area, nothing from the Tories. Ward's been Labour since 73 though.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,224

    Reform don't have candidates everywhere. How much will that suppress their vote and where will Reform voters put their cross when they find out they can't vote for Reform?

    You might be surprised but they’re standing more candidates than any other party . Contesting 99% of the seats .
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,938
    Selebian said:

    .

    TimS said:

    Cookie said:

    You can still get Lab at 3.75 on Skybet, if you fancy it.

    Congratulations by the way to pb (and indeed the Beatles) for reaching a happy consensus on the previous thread that the Beatles were good at pop music. For a site which can figuratively come to blows over how good packet rice is or the desirability of sunny weather, this is no mean feat.

    Now you’ve done pop music it’s time for sugary chocolate spreads.

    I’ve just had breakfast at a “Nutella cafe”. Yes, Ferrero have decided to emulate Apple, Lego and Nespresso and open their own flagship stores to showcase the product.

    But does the existence of Nutella add or subtract from the sum of global human happiness? I remain on the fence after my “Nutella Danish” which just injected 500g of concentrated sucrose into my blood stream.
    Nutella is vegetable oil and sugar, with some flavourings added.


    Quite a few things are less appealing if you separate them into ingredients- e.g. https://xkcd.com/1616/

    (I'm no Nutella fan, but I am a sucker for good dark chocolate, including on toast. My kids are chocolate spread fans - interestingly it's one of those things where the supermarket own-brand stuff can contain more nuts, more cocoa and less sugar and salt, maybe due to the supermarkets subscribing to the traffic light nutrition labelling and making more effort on that.)
    On a related note, I miss 'old style' chocolate spread before nutella stormed the market and everything became nutella-like. It was darker and more cocoa-y. The closest thing is ganache.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,536
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    You can still get Lab at 3.75 on Skybet, if you fancy it.

    Congratulations by the way to pb (and indeed the Beatles) for reaching a happy consensus on the previous thread that the Beatles were good at pop music. For a site which can figuratively come to blows over how good packet rice is or the desirability of sunny weather, this is no mean feat.

    I envy kids who were pop music fans in about 1965 or 1967 (or indeed several years of the 70s)

    "Hey there's a new Beatles album out next week" - turns out to be Sergeant Pepper, or Revolver, or Abbey Road

    Immortally brilliant music, being made in real time, in your life, and you get to hear it first as you drop the stylus in the groove

    What's the equivalent now? Do we even have one? Not just in music, but in anything?

    Probably it is technology
    My mum's in that category, she went to see the Beatles at a concert in 63 or 64 as a teenager. Lucky generation.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,224
    If Labour do lose the by election the idiocy of removing the WFA can’t be underestimated.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,632

    Reform don't have candidates everywhere. How much will that suppress their vote and where will Reform voters put their cross when they find out they can't vote for Reform?

    Once, telling in a Council election, with Liberal and Conservative candidates, a voter came out of the school classroom, ballot paper in hand and asked the tellers 'who is the Labour candidate?'
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,073
    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    My Mam and Dad could only afford to see one of the up-and-coming acts in Wigan. Beatles, Stones or Cliff Richard.
    Guess which one they chose?

    Suspect it was my Dad. Mam later saw Johnny Cash at Preston Guild Hall without him.
    Which is awesome.

    It feels like the smaller towns and cities got a lot more gigs in those days. You mention Preston, OKC mentions the Beatles in Oldham. Cheadle Hulme used to get a lot of gigs in the 60s.
    The only real modern equivalent I can think of is Buckley, which punches above its weight.
    University towns still get decent gigs if they have big student unions, though generally at an earlier stage of artists’ careers. My parents recall watching The Who in Durham as undergrads, when they would already have been pretty famous.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,408
    edited May 1
    Latest Ladbrokes odds
    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/event/politics/uk/uk-politics/2025-mayoral-elections/249931165/main-markets

    2025 West Of England Mayoral Election
    Mary Page (Greens)
    8/11
    Helen Godwin (Labour)
    3/1
    Arron Banks (Reform Uk)
    6/1
    Oli Henman (Liberal Democrats)
    7/1
    Steve Smith (Conservatives)
    16/1
    Ian Scott (Independent)
    66/1
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,632
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    You can still get Lab at 3.75 on Skybet, if you fancy it.

    Congratulations by the way to pb (and indeed the Beatles) for reaching a happy consensus on the previous thread that the Beatles were good at pop music. For a site which can figuratively come to blows over how good packet rice is or the desirability of sunny weather, this is no mean feat.

    I envy kids who were pop music fans in about 1965 or 1967 (or indeed several years of the 70s)

    "Hey there's a new Beatles album out next week" - turns out to be Sergeant Pepper, or Revolver, or Abbey Road

    Immortally brilliant music, being made in real time, in your life, and you get to hear it first as you drop the stylus in the groove

    What's the equivalent now? Do we even have one? Not just in music, but in anything?

    Probably it is technology
    My mum's in that category, she went to see the Beatles at a concert in 63 or 64 as a teenager. Lucky generation.
    The big thing about that time, as one who was a student around 1960 and a 'young married' in 1962, was that National Service had ended. I very much doubt that the Fab Four would have done what they did if they'd spent their years from 18-20 in Malaya or Cyprus.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,408
    Latest Ladbrokes odds
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    2025 Cambridgeshire and Peterborough Mayoral Election
    Paul Bristow (Conservatives)
    1/5
    Lorna Dupre (Liberal Democrats)
    7/2
    Anna Smith (Labour)
    10/1
    Ryan Coogan (Reform UK)
    14/1
    Bob Ensch (Greens)
    100/1
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,289
    The Mad King is going to appoint the guy who just visited Putin as the new NSA...
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,408
    Latest Ladbrokes odds
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    2025 Greater Lincolnshire Mayoral Election
    Andrea Jenkyns (Reform UK)
    1/20
    Rob Waltham (Conservatives)
    6/1
    Jason Stockwood (Labour)
    14/1
    Marianna Overton (Lincolnshire Independents Lincolnshire First)
    100/1
    Sally Anne Horscroft (Greens)
    100/1
    Trevor Young (Liberal Democrats)
    100/1
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,073

    Selebian said:

    .

    TimS said:

    Cookie said:

    You can still get Lab at 3.75 on Skybet, if you fancy it.

    Congratulations by the way to pb (and indeed the Beatles) for reaching a happy consensus on the previous thread that the Beatles were good at pop music. For a site which can figuratively come to blows over how good packet rice is or the desirability of sunny weather, this is no mean feat.

    Now you’ve done pop music it’s time for sugary chocolate spreads.

    I’ve just had breakfast at a “Nutella cafe”. Yes, Ferrero have decided to emulate Apple, Lego and Nespresso and open their own flagship stores to showcase the product.

    But does the existence of Nutella add or subtract from the sum of global human happiness? I remain on the fence after my “Nutella Danish” which just injected 500g of concentrated sucrose into my blood stream.
    Nutella is vegetable oil and sugar, with some flavourings added.


    Quite a few things are less appealing if you separate them into ingredients- e.g. https://xkcd.com/1616/

    (I'm no Nutella fan, but I am a sucker for good dark chocolate, including on toast. My kids are chocolate spread fans - interestingly it's one of those things where the supermarket own-brand stuff can contain more nuts, more cocoa and less sugar and salt, maybe due to the supermarkets subscribing to the traffic light nutrition labelling and making more effort on that.)
    On a related note, I miss 'old style' chocolate spread before nutella stormed the market and everything became nutella-like. It was darker and more cocoa-y. The closest thing is ganache.
    There’s been a proliferation of Nutella alternatives recently in a backlash against palm oil (convenient backlash, because they know Nutella are locked into long term offtake agreements they can’t just duck out of) but I agree, though several are less sweet they are all fairly pale and milky.
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,320
    DavidL said:

    Brits regain the world title for something: living! Take that, Brazilian nuns!

    "Ms Caterham was born on 21 August 1909 and is the last surviving subject of Edward VII.

    Celebrating her 115th birthday in August 2024, she said she "didn't know why there was all the fuss".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy0zxzpdd4o

    Just imagine if you’d sold her an annuity.

    Bugger.
    There was the classic case of Jeanne Calment.
    In 1965, aged 90 and with no heirs left, Calment signed a life estate contract on her apartment with civil law notary André-François Raffray, selling the property in exchange for a right of occupancy and a monthly revenue of 2,500 francs (€380) until her death. Raffray died on 25 December 1995, by which time Calment had received more than double the apartment's value from him, and his family had to continue making payments. She commented on the situation by saying, "in life, one sometimes makes bad deals".

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,408
    Latest Ladbrokes odds
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    2025 Hull and East Yorkshire Mayoral Election
    Luke Campbell (Reform UK)
    1/8
    Michael Ross (Liberal Democrats)
    5/1
    Anne Handley (Conservatives)
    14/1
    Margaret Pinder (Labour)
    20/1
    Rowan Halstead (Yorkshire Party)
    66/1
    Kerry Harrison (Greens)
    100/1
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,917
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    You can still get Lab at 3.75 on Skybet, if you fancy it.

    Congratulations by the way to pb (and indeed the Beatles) for reaching a happy consensus on the previous thread that the Beatles were good at pop music. For a site which can figuratively come to blows over how good packet rice is or the desirability of sunny weather, this is no mean feat.

    I envy kids who were pop music fans in about 1965 or 1967 (or indeed several years of the 70s)

    "Hey there's a new Beatles album out next week" - turns out to be Sergeant Pepper, or Revolver, or Abbey Road

    Immortally brilliant music, being made in real time, in your life, and you get to hear it first as you drop the stylus in the groove

    What's the equivalent now? Do we even have one? Not just in music, but in anything?

    Probably it is technology
    My mum's in that category, she went to see the Beatles at a concert in 63 or 64 as a teenager. Lucky generation.
    Actually, I'd say what we had in the early 90s was way better.
    But what that generation had was something that hadn't really gone before. We may have had a better range and offer of pop music in the 90s than the previous generation, but the previous generation had an offer so unrecognisably better than the generation before that. It must have been astounding.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,408
    Latest Ladbrokes odds
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    2025 Doncaster Mayoral Election
    Alexander Jones (Reform UK)
    1/3
    Ros Jones (Labour)
    9/4
    Nick Fletcher (Conservatives)
    8/1
    Mihai Melenciuc (Liberal Democrats)
    66/1
    Ahsan Jamil (Workers Party of Britain)
    100/1
    Andrew Walmsley (Yorkshire Party)
    100/1
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,408
    edited May 1
    kinabalu said:

    nico67 said:

    I’d vote Tory to keep Reform out . Needs must . It would be painful but I’d have to do it !

    If the Cameron Tory voters want their party to not sink without trace then that’s what they have to do .

    So would I. I'm very strong Labour but I'm even stronger anti Pop Right.

    But I hope to god it never comes to this. I'd need a doctor's appointment immediately after.
    Voting Tory would be like a significant limb amputation. One's life would never be the same again. On the other hand, voting Reform would be akin to completing the amputation oneself and without anaesthetic.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,408
    Latest Ladbrokes odds
    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/event/politics/uk/uk-politics/2025-mayoral-elections/249931165/main-markets

    2025 North Tyneside Mayoral Election
    Karen Clark (Labour)
    1/10
    Liam Bones (Conservatives)
    5/1
    John Falkenstein (Reform UK)
    7/1
    John Appleby (Liberal Democrats)
    33/1
    Chloe-Louise Reilly (Greens)
    100/1
    Cath Davis (Independent)
    200/1
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,632
    TimS said:

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    My Mam and Dad could only afford to see one of the up-and-coming acts in Wigan. Beatles, Stones or Cliff Richard.
    Guess which one they chose?

    Suspect it was my Dad. Mam later saw Johnny Cash at Preston Guild Hall without him.
    Which is awesome.

    It feels like the smaller towns and cities got a lot more gigs in those days. You mention Preston, OKC mentions the Beatles in Oldham. Cheadle Hulme used to get a lot of gigs in the 60s.
    The only real modern equivalent I can think of is Buckley, which punches above its weight.
    University towns still get decent gigs if they have big student unions, though generally at an earlier stage of artists’ careers. My parents recall watching The Who in Durham as undergrads, when they would already have been pretty famous.
    Our Rag committee booked Acker Bilk JUST before 'Stranger on the Shore' became big!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,938
    TimS said:

    Selebian said:

    .

    TimS said:

    Cookie said:

    You can still get Lab at 3.75 on Skybet, if you fancy it.

    Congratulations by the way to pb (and indeed the Beatles) for reaching a happy consensus on the previous thread that the Beatles were good at pop music. For a site which can figuratively come to blows over how good packet rice is or the desirability of sunny weather, this is no mean feat.

    Now you’ve done pop music it’s time for sugary chocolate spreads.

    I’ve just had breakfast at a “Nutella cafe”. Yes, Ferrero have decided to emulate Apple, Lego and Nespresso and open their own flagship stores to showcase the product.

    But does the existence of Nutella add or subtract from the sum of global human happiness? I remain on the fence after my “Nutella Danish” which just injected 500g of concentrated sucrose into my blood stream.
    Nutella is vegetable oil and sugar, with some flavourings added.


    Quite a few things are less appealing if you separate them into ingredients- e.g. https://xkcd.com/1616/

    (I'm no Nutella fan, but I am a sucker for good dark chocolate, including on toast. My kids are chocolate spread fans - interestingly it's one of those things where the supermarket own-brand stuff can contain more nuts, more cocoa and less sugar and salt, maybe due to the supermarkets subscribing to the traffic light nutrition labelling and making more effort on that.)
    On a related note, I miss 'old style' chocolate spread before nutella stormed the market and everything became nutella-like. It was darker and more cocoa-y. The closest thing is ganache.
    There’s been a proliferation of Nutella alternatives recently in a backlash against palm oil (convenient backlash, because they know Nutella are locked into long term offtake agreements they can’t just duck out of) but I agree, though several are less sweet they are all fairly pale and milky.
    I hate to jump into your standard environment wrecker role, but my understanding is that Palm Oil is quite good for you compared to a lot of seed oils.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,073
    kinabalu said:

    nico67 said:

    I’d vote Tory to keep Reform out . Needs must . It would be painful but I’d have to do it !

    If the Cameron Tory voters want their party to not sink without trace then that’s what they have to do .

    So would I. I'm very strong Labour but I'm even stronger anti Pop Right.

    But I hope to god it never comes to this. I'd need a doctor's appointment immediately after.
    I think that’s going to be the future. Look at France and Germany, particularly France.

    RN will achieve power eventually, when their toxicity - which reduces with every new even more right wing party launch - reduces to the level that tactical voting breaks down.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,800
    Energy scam companies of the U.K. rejoice.

    Solar Panels to be mandated on new homes from 2027 in most cases.

    Fine if the owner owns them, but I can see these easily becoming rent-a-roof type,of deals and there being misspelling scandals down the line.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/may/01/solar-panels-fitted-all-new-build-homes-england-by-2027
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,342
    TimS said:

    kinabalu said:

    nico67 said:

    I’d vote Tory to keep Reform out . Needs must . It would be painful but I’d have to do it !

    If the Cameron Tory voters want their party to not sink without trace then that’s what they have to do .

    So would I. I'm very strong Labour but I'm even stronger anti Pop Right.

    But I hope to god it never comes to this. I'd need a doctor's appointment immediately after.
    I think that’s going to be the future. Look at France and Germany, particularly France.

    RN will achieve power eventually, when their toxicity - which reduces with every new even more right wing party launch - reduces to the level that tactical voting breaks down.
    To be fair their toxicity is also reducing because they are indeed far less toxic than a couple of decades ago.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,721
    Locals still all over the place in Wilts. Reform not expected to sweep up but get a decent handful, with a result anywhere from Tories cling on to control or LDs get a majority.

    Most competitive election ive ever experienced.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,408
    Latest Ladbrokes odds
    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/event/politics/uk/uk-politics/2025-runcorn-and-helsby-by-election/248558795/main-markets

    2025 Runcorn And Helsby By-election
    To Win
    Reform UK
    1/3
    Labour
    9/4
    Conservatives
    100/1
    Greens
    200/1
    Liberal Democrats
    200/1
    Workers Party of Britain
    200/1
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,332
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    You can still get Lab at 3.75 on Skybet, if you fancy it.

    Congratulations by the way to pb (and indeed the Beatles) for reaching a happy consensus on the previous thread that the Beatles were good at pop music. For a site which can figuratively come to blows over how good packet rice is or the desirability of sunny weather, this is no mean feat.

    I envy kids who were pop music fans in about 1965 or 1967 (or indeed several years of the 70s)

    "Hey there's a new Beatles album out next week" - turns out to be Sergeant Pepper, or Revolver, or Abbey Road

    Immortally brilliant music, being made in real time, in your life, and you get to hear it first as you drop the stylus in the groove

    What's the equivalent now? Do we even have one? Not just in music, but in anything?

    Probably it is technology
    My mum's in that category, she went to see the Beatles at a concert in 63 or 64 as a teenager. Lucky generation.
    In 63 or 64, all your mum would have heard is Beatlemania – her and all her mates screaming. There is the story of the Beatles playing Japan where the girls just sat respectfully and the band realised their stage setup was awful.

    Recently The Rest is History have been looking at the Rolling Stones who had a similar thing on their second tour of the United States where there was no screaming. It was the same fans but they were now older.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,721
    viewcode said:

    Latest Ladbrokes odds
    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/event/politics/uk/uk-politics/2025-mayoral-elections/249931165/main-markets

    2025 West Of England Mayoral Election
    Mary Page (Greens)
    8/11
    Helen Godwin (Labour)
    3/1
    Arron Banks (Reform Uk)
    6/1
    Oli Henman (Liberal Democrats)
    7/1
    Steve Smith (Conservatives)
    16/1
    Ian Scott (Independent)
    66/1

    Polls on this one have had some absurdly low scores for whoever wins such is the split vote.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,894

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    If you’re a more Cameron type Tory then you really need to be voting for Labour in the by election otherwise you end up boosting Reform and the Tories will feel they need to lurch even further to the right .

    Why do people always LURCH to the right? Why can't they swerve, tilt, steer, tack, curve, nudge, shift, bend, ageplay, slutshame, ABDL, snuggle, bukkake, shibari, shunt, nod, anolagnia, move or tit-slap?

    "As Reform gain Runcorn, Rory Stewart talks about the Tories tit-slapping to the right, even as the Lib Dems are prostate milked by the Greens"

    The English language is a marvellous thing; it saddnes me that we resort to cliches

    People lurch to the left because it is alliterative, but also because left wingers are typically creatures of action. I expect the lurch to the right is simply a mirror image in the heads of slightly lazy writers.

    Though I would suggest the following are better descriptors:

    Shuffle to the right (descriptive of voters between the ages of 55 and 65)
    Creep to the right (to do so while trying not to be spotted doing so)
    Stumble to the right (to do so without really definitely intending to)
    Settled to the right (like middle age spread).

    Mind you, not all left-wingers are lurchers. I can't imagine @kinabalu got where he is today by lurching, mind. He doesn't strike me as a lurcher. Maybe he strolled to the left. Ambled there. Lounged. Segued.
    No, I don't lurch. As I think I've said before, I have two distinct ways of walking. Feet pointing in, pigeon style, or outwards and flat like a penguin. The first is for when my mood is springy and creative, the second for when I'm feeling taciturn and grounded. I don't have to dwell on it, deciding each time I go out which one to do, it happens naturally. Indeed my walk tells me what frame of mind I'm in, and it's often a surprise to me.
    As you are a champagne socialist I suspect you "lunch to the left"
    Damn sight more socialism than champagne at my house, Nigel. You'll find that out if you ever visit. And it's authentic. On the Noguchi coffee table in the 'snug' there sits a copy of the Benn Diaries. By Tony Benn.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,073

    TimS said:

    Selebian said:

    .

    TimS said:

    Cookie said:

    You can still get Lab at 3.75 on Skybet, if you fancy it.

    Congratulations by the way to pb (and indeed the Beatles) for reaching a happy consensus on the previous thread that the Beatles were good at pop music. For a site which can figuratively come to blows over how good packet rice is or the desirability of sunny weather, this is no mean feat.

    Now you’ve done pop music it’s time for sugary chocolate spreads.

    I’ve just had breakfast at a “Nutella cafe”. Yes, Ferrero have decided to emulate Apple, Lego and Nespresso and open their own flagship stores to showcase the product.

    But does the existence of Nutella add or subtract from the sum of global human happiness? I remain on the fence after my “Nutella Danish” which just injected 500g of concentrated sucrose into my blood stream.
    Nutella is vegetable oil and sugar, with some flavourings added.


    Quite a few things are less appealing if you separate them into ingredients- e.g. https://xkcd.com/1616/

    (I'm no Nutella fan, but I am a sucker for good dark chocolate, including on toast. My kids are chocolate spread fans - interestingly it's one of those things where the supermarket own-brand stuff can contain more nuts, more cocoa and less sugar and salt, maybe due to the supermarkets subscribing to the traffic light nutrition labelling and making more effort on that.)
    On a related note, I miss 'old style' chocolate spread before nutella stormed the market and everything became nutella-like. It was darker and more cocoa-y. The closest thing is ganache.
    There’s been a proliferation of Nutella alternatives recently in a backlash against palm oil (convenient backlash, because they know Nutella are locked into long term offtake agreements they can’t just duck out of) but I agree, though several are less sweet they are all fairly pale and milky.
    I hate to jump into your standard environment wrecker role, but my understanding is that Palm Oil is quite good for you compared to a lot of seed oils.
    That may well be true. The anti palm oil backlash is orangutans, basically. It’s a real thing - pretty much every non Nutella brand loudly advertises no palm oil.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,632
    edited May 1
    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    You can still get Lab at 3.75 on Skybet, if you fancy it.

    Congratulations by the way to pb (and indeed the Beatles) for reaching a happy consensus on the previous thread that the Beatles were good at pop music. For a site which can figuratively come to blows over how good packet rice is or the desirability of sunny weather, this is no mean feat.

    I envy kids who were pop music fans in about 1965 or 1967 (or indeed several years of the 70s)

    "Hey there's a new Beatles album out next week" - turns out to be Sergeant Pepper, or Revolver, or Abbey Road

    Immortally brilliant music, being made in real time, in your life, and you get to hear it first as you drop the stylus in the groove

    What's the equivalent now? Do we even have one? Not just in music, but in anything?

    Probably it is technology
    My mum's in that category, she went to see the Beatles at a concert in 63 or 64 as a teenager. Lucky generation.
    Actually, I'd say what we had in the early 90s was way better.
    But what that generation had was something that hadn't really gone before. We may have had a better range and offer of pop music in the 90s than the previous generation, but the previous generation had an offer so unrecognisably better than the generation before that. It must have been astounding.
    It was skiffle and rock which made the difference. Before then it was all ballads. I remember taking my (then) girl-friend to see Rock Around the Clock and watching the girls dancing in the cinema aisles.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,581

    Reform don't have candidates everywhere. How much will that suppress their vote and where will Reform voters put their cross when they find out they can't vote for Reform?

    Reform is standing more candidates than any other party.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,427

    TimS said:

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    My Mam and Dad could only afford to see one of the up-and-coming acts in Wigan. Beatles, Stones or Cliff Richard.
    Guess which one they chose?

    Suspect it was my Dad. Mam later saw Johnny Cash at Preston Guild Hall without him.
    Which is awesome.

    It feels like the smaller towns and cities got a lot more gigs in those days. You mention Preston, OKC mentions the Beatles in Oldham. Cheadle Hulme used to get a lot of gigs in the 60s.
    The only real modern equivalent I can think of is Buckley, which punches above its weight.
    University towns still get decent gigs if they have big student unions, though generally at an earlier stage of artists’ careers. My parents recall watching The Who in Durham as undergrads, when they would already have been pretty famous.
    Our Rag committee booked Acker Bilk JUST before 'Stranger on the Shore' became big!
    Can’t imagine the lasses fainting in ecstasy at old Acker.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,332
    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    You can still get Lab at 3.75 on Skybet, if you fancy it.

    Congratulations by the way to pb (and indeed the Beatles) for reaching a happy consensus on the previous thread that the Beatles were good at pop music. For a site which can figuratively come to blows over how good packet rice is or the desirability of sunny weather, this is no mean feat.

    I envy kids who were pop music fans in about 1965 or 1967 (or indeed several years of the 70s)

    "Hey there's a new Beatles album out next week" - turns out to be Sergeant Pepper, or Revolver, or Abbey Road

    Immortally brilliant music, being made in real time, in your life, and you get to hear it first as you drop the stylus in the groove

    What's the equivalent now? Do we even have one? Not just in music, but in anything?

    Probably it is technology
    My mum's in that category, she went to see the Beatles at a concert in 63 or 64 as a teenager. Lucky generation.
    Actually, I'd say what we had in the early 90s was way better.
    But what that generation had was something that hadn't really gone before. We may have had a better range and offer of pop music in the 90s than the previous generation, but the previous generation had an offer so unrecognisably better than the generation before that. It must have been astounding.
    Elvis just texted me and said wait, what?

    Come to think of it, another first for the Beatles is they wrote their own songs. Elvis didn't. The Rolling Stones didn't. Kylie Minogue didn't.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,453

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    You can still get Lab at 3.75 on Skybet, if you fancy it.

    Congratulations by the way to pb (and indeed the Beatles) for reaching a happy consensus on the previous thread that the Beatles were good at pop music. For a site which can figuratively come to blows over how good packet rice is or the desirability of sunny weather, this is no mean feat.

    I envy kids who were pop music fans in about 1965 or 1967 (or indeed several years of the 70s)

    "Hey there's a new Beatles album out next week" - turns out to be Sergeant Pepper, or Revolver, or Abbey Road

    Immortally brilliant music, being made in real time, in your life, and you get to hear it first as you drop the stylus in the groove

    What's the equivalent now? Do we even have one? Not just in music, but in anything?

    Probably it is technology
    The Beatles occurred at a magic time, when technology, fashion, management and societal trends all converged to allow a breakthrough act. They were massively talented, but the timing was perfect.

    Those times felt, from a modern perspective, like a relative vacuum. People got their media from the radio, cinema, papers, and for a tiny minority, clubs. Now we have so much more going on, and so many sources of media. We will not have people saying: "Can you remember when the iPhone was released? My God, that was a queue!" Because it is tosserific.

    I also wonder if we over-exaggerate the impact. As I've said previously, my parents got married and had two kids in the 1960s. He says he was too busy trying to make money to bother with the swinging sixties or the music scene. Events that we may see as epochal with hindsight may have been pretty much ignored by the majority. It was just a new tune on the radio.
    I left school in 1963 and the pop music culture entirely passed me by. Unlike many, I was never able to concentrate on study with background music. And as you suggest, I was just too busy getting on with life, earning a living and so on, to bother about it.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,824
    Taz said:

    Energy scam companies of the U.K. rejoice.

    Solar Panels to be mandated on new homes from 2027 in most cases.

    Fine if the owner owns them, but I can see these easily becoming rent-a-roof type,of deals and there being misspelling scandals down the line.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/may/01/solar-panels-fitted-all-new-build-homes-england-by-2027

    Judging by the numbers in the story, it seems to be a bit of a nobrainer:

    The policy is estimated to add between £3,000 and £4,000 to building a home but homeowners would save more than £1,000 on their annual energy bills, according to the Times.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,938
    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    Selebian said:

    .

    TimS said:

    Cookie said:

    You can still get Lab at 3.75 on Skybet, if you fancy it.

    Congratulations by the way to pb (and indeed the Beatles) for reaching a happy consensus on the previous thread that the Beatles were good at pop music. For a site which can figuratively come to blows over how good packet rice is or the desirability of sunny weather, this is no mean feat.

    Now you’ve done pop music it’s time for sugary chocolate spreads.

    I’ve just had breakfast at a “Nutella cafe”. Yes, Ferrero have decided to emulate Apple, Lego and Nespresso and open their own flagship stores to showcase the product.

    But does the existence of Nutella add or subtract from the sum of global human happiness? I remain on the fence after my “Nutella Danish” which just injected 500g of concentrated sucrose into my blood stream.
    Nutella is vegetable oil and sugar, with some flavourings added.


    Quite a few things are less appealing if you separate them into ingredients- e.g. https://xkcd.com/1616/

    (I'm no Nutella fan, but I am a sucker for good dark chocolate, including on toast. My kids are chocolate spread fans - interestingly it's one of those things where the supermarket own-brand stuff can contain more nuts, more cocoa and less sugar and salt, maybe due to the supermarkets subscribing to the traffic light nutrition labelling and making more effort on that.)
    On a related note, I miss 'old style' chocolate spread before nutella stormed the market and everything became nutella-like. It was darker and more cocoa-y. The closest thing is ganache.
    There’s been a proliferation of Nutella alternatives recently in a backlash against palm oil (convenient backlash, because they know Nutella are locked into long term offtake agreements they can’t just duck out of) but I agree, though several are less sweet they are all fairly pale and milky.
    I hate to jump into your standard environment wrecker role, but my understanding is that Palm Oil is quite good for you compared to a lot of seed oils.
    That may well be true. The anti palm oil backlash is orangutans, basically. It’s a real thing - pretty much every non Nutella brand loudly advertises no palm oil.
    Rather unkind, I am sure the anti-Palm oil lobby aren't quite that homely.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,721
    rcs1000 said:

    Reform don't have candidates everywhere. How much will that suppress their vote and where will Reform voters put their cross when they find out they can't vote for Reform?

    Reform is standing more candidates than any other party.
    Whatever else is going on their organisation definitely stepped up this year.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,317
    Taz said:

    Energy scam companies of the U.K. rejoice.

    Solar Panels to be mandated on new homes from 2027 in most cases.

    Fine if the owner owns them, but I can see these easily becoming rent-a-roof type,of deals and there being misspelling scandals down the line.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/may/01/solar-panels-fitted-all-new-build-homes-england-by-2027

    Well, since the cost of solar panels is rapidly approaching parity with conventional roofing AND you can’t get a mortgage on a house with a solar rental agreement, I think your negative take is misguided.

    Seems like long overdue good news to me.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,802
    Is there a market for seats anywhere.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,237
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    You can still get Lab at 3.75 on Skybet, if you fancy it.

    Congratulations by the way to pb (and indeed the Beatles) for reaching a happy consensus on the previous thread that the Beatles were good at pop music. For a site which can figuratively come to blows over how good packet rice is or the desirability of sunny weather, this is no mean feat.

    I envy kids who were pop music fans in about 1965 or 1967 (or indeed several years of the 70s)

    "Hey there's a new Beatles album out next week" - turns out to be Sergeant Pepper, or Revolver, or Abbey Road

    Immortally brilliant music, being made in real time, in your life, and you get to hear it first as you drop the stylus in the groove

    What's the equivalent now? Do we even have one? Not just in music, but in anything?

    Probably it is technology
    My mum's in that category, she went to see the Beatles at a concert in 63 or 64 as a teenager. Lucky generation.
    My parents went to see Frank Sinatra at the Caird Hall in Dundee. From here to eternity had been released but the come back was not really on yet.

    Attendance was pitiful and everyone was in the cheap seats at the back. Sinatra got them all to come to the front and then took requests for more than 2 hours. My parents always said it was the best concert experience they ever had.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,632

    TimS said:

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    My Mam and Dad could only afford to see one of the up-and-coming acts in Wigan. Beatles, Stones or Cliff Richard.
    Guess which one they chose?

    Suspect it was my Dad. Mam later saw Johnny Cash at Preston Guild Hall without him.
    Which is awesome.

    It feels like the smaller towns and cities got a lot more gigs in those days. You mention Preston, OKC mentions the Beatles in Oldham. Cheadle Hulme used to get a lot of gigs in the 60s.
    The only real modern equivalent I can think of is Buckley, which punches above its weight.
    University towns still get decent gigs if they have big student unions, though generally at an earlier stage of artists’ careers. My parents recall watching The Who in Durham as undergrads, when they would already have been pretty famous.
    Our Rag committee booked Acker Bilk JUST before 'Stranger on the Shore' became big!
    Can’t imagine the lasses fainting in ecstasy at old Acker.
    He wasn't 'old' Acker then! And it was what we could dance to. In pairs!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,408
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    If you’re a more Cameron type Tory then you really need to be voting for Labour in the by election otherwise you end up boosting Reform and the Tories will feel they need to lurch even further to the right .

    Why do people always LURCH to the right? Why can't they swerve, tilt, steer, tack, curve, nudge, shift, bend, ageplay, slutshame, ABDL, snuggle, bukkake, shibari, shunt, nod, anolagnia, move or tit-slap?

    "As Reform gain Runcorn, Rory Stewart talks about the Tories tit-slapping to the right, even as the Lib Dems are prostate milked by the Greens"

    The English language is a marvellous thing; it saddnes me that we resort to cliches

    People lurch to the left because it is alliterative, but also because left wingers are typically creatures of action. I expect the lurch to the right is simply a mirror image in the heads of slightly lazy writers.

    Though I would suggest the following are better descriptors:

    Shuffle to the right (descriptive of voters between the ages of 55 and 65)
    Creep to the right (to do so while trying not to be spotted doing so)
    Stumble to the right (to do so without really definitely intending to)
    Settled to the right (like middle age spread).

    Mind you, not all left-wingers are lurchers. I can't imagine @kinabalu got where he is today by lurching, mind. He doesn't strike me as a lurcher. Maybe he strolled to the left. Ambled there. Lounged. Segued.
    No, I don't lurch. As I think I've said before, I have two distinct ways of walking. Feet pointing in, pigeon style, or outwards and flat like a penguin. The first is for when my mood is springy and creative, the second for when I'm feeling taciturn and grounded. I don't have to dwell on it, deciding each time I go out which one to do, it happens naturally. Indeed my walk tells me what frame of mind I'm in, and it's often a surprise to me.
    As you are a champagne socialist I suspect you "lunch to the left"
    Damn sight more socialism than champagne at my house, Nigel. You'll find that out if you ever visit. And it's authentic. On the Noguchi coffee table in the 'snug' there sits a copy of the Benn Diaries. By Tony Benn.
    Like all good Socialists I always support British products and British workers. My car marque's initials stand for British Motoren Werke!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,332

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    You can still get Lab at 3.75 on Skybet, if you fancy it.

    Congratulations by the way to pb (and indeed the Beatles) for reaching a happy consensus on the previous thread that the Beatles were good at pop music. For a site which can figuratively come to blows over how good packet rice is or the desirability of sunny weather, this is no mean feat.

    I envy kids who were pop music fans in about 1965 or 1967 (or indeed several years of the 70s)

    "Hey there's a new Beatles album out next week" - turns out to be Sergeant Pepper, or Revolver, or Abbey Road

    Immortally brilliant music, being made in real time, in your life, and you get to hear it first as you drop the stylus in the groove

    What's the equivalent now? Do we even have one? Not just in music, but in anything?

    Probably it is technology
    My mum's in that category, she went to see the Beatles at a concert in 63 or 64 as a teenager. Lucky generation.
    Actually, I'd say what we had in the early 90s was way better.
    But what that generation had was something that hadn't really gone before. We may have had a better range and offer of pop music in the 90s than the previous generation, but the previous generation had an offer so unrecognisably better than the generation before that. It must have been astounding.
    It was skiffle and rock which made the difference. Before then it was all ballads. I remember taking my (then) girl-friend to see Rock Around the Clock and watching the girls dancing in the cinema aisles.
    It was once said that the three biggest influences in British pop music were Lonnie Donegan (skiffle) which showed anyone could form a band, the Beatles who led the British invasion of America, and John Peel who broke unknown groups on his pirate and Radio One shows.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,938

    Taz said:

    Energy scam companies of the U.K. rejoice.

    Solar Panels to be mandated on new homes from 2027 in most cases.

    Fine if the owner owns them, but I can see these easily becoming rent-a-roof type,of deals and there being misspelling scandals down the line.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/may/01/solar-panels-fitted-all-new-build-homes-england-by-2027

    A misspelling scandal would be interesting.

    "Have you been the victim of a grocer's apostrophe? You could be in line for compensation."
    I was assaulted by one this afternoon from a poster who shall remain nameless to avoid prejudicing the trial.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,237
    Taz said:

    Energy scam companies of the U.K. rejoice.

    Solar Panels to be mandated on new homes from 2027 in most cases.

    Fine if the owner owns them, but I can see these easily becoming rent-a-roof type,of deals and there being misspelling scandals down the line.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/may/01/solar-panels-fitted-all-new-build-homes-england-by-2027

    Misspelling is indeed a blight.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,917

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    You can still get Lab at 3.75 on Skybet, if you fancy it.

    Congratulations by the way to pb (and indeed the Beatles) for reaching a happy consensus on the previous thread that the Beatles were good at pop music. For a site which can figuratively come to blows over how good packet rice is or the desirability of sunny weather, this is no mean feat.

    I envy kids who were pop music fans in about 1965 or 1967 (or indeed several years of the 70s)

    "Hey there's a new Beatles album out next week" - turns out to be Sergeant Pepper, or Revolver, or Abbey Road

    Immortally brilliant music, being made in real time, in your life, and you get to hear it first as you drop the stylus in the groove

    What's the equivalent now? Do we even have one? Not just in music, but in anything?

    Probably it is technology
    My mum's in that category, she went to see the Beatles at a concert in 63 or 64 as a teenager. Lucky generation.
    Actually, I'd say what we had in the early 90s was way better.
    But what that generation had was something that hadn't really gone before. We may have had a better range and offer of pop music in the 90s than the previous generation, but the previous generation had an offer so unrecognisably better than the generation before that. It must have been astounding.
    Elvis just texted me and said wait, what?

    Come to think of it, another first for the Beatles is they wrote their own songs. Elvis didn't. The Rolling Stones didn't. Kylie Minogue didn't.
    Yebbut, kids in the 60s were comparing their experience to that of their parents in the 40s.
    And yes, the 50s happened. But there was considerably more pop music available in the 60s than the 50s.

    Anyway, I wasn't born until the mid 70s. I cede the floor to @OldKingCole and @Big_G_NorthWales
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,824
    rcs1000 said:

    Reform don't have candidates everywhere. How much will that suppress their vote and where will Reform voters put their cross when they find out they can't vote for Reform?

    Reform is standing more candidates than any other party.
    It's a non-question.

    Reform have candidates in 98-99% of seats.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,894

    kinabalu said:

    nico67 said:

    I’d vote Tory to keep Reform out . Needs must . It would be painful but I’d have to do it !

    If the Cameron Tory voters want their party to not sink without trace then that’s what they have to do .

    So would I. I'm very strong Labour but I'm even stronger anti Pop Right.

    But I hope to god it never comes to this. I'd need a doctor's appointment immediately after.
    Voting Tory would be like a significant limb amputation. One's life would never be the same again. On the other hand, voting Reform would be akin to completing the amputation oneself and without anaesthetic.
    V good analogy. There'd be something missing for the rest of my life but I'd survive. The other thing I couldn't survive. All self-esteem would have gone.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,208
    viewcode said:

    Latest Ladbrokes odds
    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/event/politics/uk/uk-politics/2025-mayoral-elections/249931165/main-markets

    2025 North Tyneside Mayoral Election
    Karen Clark (Labour)
    1/10
    Liam Bones (Conservatives)
    5/1
    John Falkenstein (Reform UK)
    7/1
    John Appleby (Liberal Democrats)
    33/1
    Chloe-Louise Reilly (Greens)
    100/1
    Cath Davis (Independent)
    200/1

    John Appleby was one of my lecturers at Newcastle University 15 years ago. He’s a good guy.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,671
    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King is going to appoint the guy who just visited Putin as the new NSA...

    Well, he was doing the role anyway I guess.

    Another win for Vlad. Is there any champagne left in the Kremlin?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 965
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    If you’re a more Cameron type Tory then you really need to be voting for Labour in the by election otherwise you end up boosting Reform and the Tories will feel they need to lurch even further to the right .

    Why do people always LURCH to the right? Why can't they swerve, tilt, steer, tack, curve, nudge, shift, bend, ageplay, slutshame, ABDL, snuggle, bukkake, shibari, shunt, nod, anolagnia, move or tit-slap?

    "As Reform gain Runcorn, Rory Stewart talks about the Tories tit-slapping to the right, even as the Lib Dems are prostate milked by the Greens"

    The English language is a marvellous thing; it saddnes me that we resort to cliches

    People lurch to the left because it is alliterative, but also because left wingers are typically creatures of action. I expect the lurch to the right is simply a mirror image in the heads of slightly lazy writers.

    Though I would suggest the following are better descriptors:

    Shuffle to the right (descriptive of voters between the ages of 55 and 65)
    Creep to the right (to do so while trying not to be spotted doing so)
    Stumble to the right (to do so without really definitely intending to)
    Settled to the right (like middle age spread).

    Mind you, not all left-wingers are lurchers. I can't imagine @kinabalu got where he is today by lurching, mind. He doesn't strike me as a lurcher. Maybe he strolled to the left. Ambled there. Lounged. Segued.
    No, I don't lurch. As I think I've said before, I have two distinct ways of walking. Feet pointing in, pigeon style, or outwards and flat like a penguin. The first is for when my mood is springy and creative, the second for when I'm feeling taciturn and grounded. I don't have to dwell on it, deciding each time I go out which one to do, it happens naturally. Indeed my walk tells me what frame of mind I'm in, and it's often a surprise to me.
    As you are a champagne socialist I suspect you "lunch to the left"
    Damn sight more socialism than champagne at my house, Nigel. You'll find that out if you ever visit. And it's authentic. On the Noguchi coffee table in the 'snug' there sits a copy of the Benn Diaries. By Tony Benn.
    Surely people goosestep to the right

    TimS said:

    kinabalu said:

    nico67 said:

    I’d vote Tory to keep Reform out . Needs must . It would be painful but I’d have to do it !

    If the Cameron Tory voters want their party to not sink without trace then that’s what they have to do .

    So would I. I'm very strong Labour but I'm even stronger anti Pop Right.

    But I hope to god it never comes to this. I'd need a doctor's appointment immediately after.
    I think that’s going to be the future. Look at France and Germany, particularly France.

    RN will achieve power eventually, when their toxicity - which reduces with every new even more right wing party launch - reduces to the level that tactical voting breaks down.
    To be fair their toxicity is also reducing because they are indeed far less toxic than a couple of decades ago.
    The right hasn't got any less toxic, just look at Trump's actions
    Summary deportations, arrests, imprisonment, suppression of free speech and protest.
    It's just being normalized.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,671
    viewcode said:

    Latest Ladbrokes odds
    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/event/politics/uk/uk-politics/2025-mayoral-elections/249931165/main-markets

    2025 North Tyneside Mayoral Election
    Karen Clark (Labour)
    1/10
    Liam Bones (Conservatives)
    5/1
    John Falkenstein (Reform UK)
    7/1
    John Appleby (Liberal Democrats)
    33/1
    Chloe-Louise Reilly (Greens)
    100/1
    Cath Davis (Independent)
    200/1

    Haway the North. Not falling for Britain Trump's crap.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,408
    edited May 1
    Nigel Marriott's predictions (does anybody remember him from 2024?)

    West England Mayor: https://marriott-stats.com/nigels-blog/weca-mayor-2025-election-forecast-2/
  • twistedfirestopper3twistedfirestopper3 Posts: 2,542
    .

    TimS said:

    Selebian said:

    .

    TimS said:

    Cookie said:

    You can still get Lab at 3.75 on Skybet, if you fancy it.

    Congratulations by the way to pb (and indeed the Beatles) for reaching a happy consensus on the previous thread that the Beatles were good at pop music. For a site which can figuratively come to blows over how good packet rice is or the desirability of sunny weather, this is no mean feat.

    Now you’ve done pop music it’s time for sugary chocolate spreads.

    I’ve just had breakfast at a “Nutella cafe”. Yes, Ferrero have decided to emulate Apple, Lego and Nespresso and open their own flagship stores to showcase the product.

    But does the existence of Nutella add or subtract from the sum of global human happiness? I remain on the fence after my “Nutella Danish” which just injected 500g of concentrated sucrose into my blood stream.
    Nutella is vegetable oil and sugar, with some flavourings added.


    Quite a few things are less appealing if you separate them into ingredients- e.g. https://xkcd.com/1616/

    (I'm no Nutella fan, but I am a sucker for good dark chocolate, including on toast. My kids are chocolate spread fans - interestingly it's one of those things where the supermarket own-brand stuff can contain more nuts, more cocoa and less sugar and salt, maybe due to the supermarkets subscribing to the traffic light nutrition labelling and making more effort on that.)
    On a related note, I miss 'old style' chocolate spread before nutella stormed the market and everything became nutella-like. It was darker and more cocoa-y. The closest thing is ganache.
    There’s been a proliferation of Nutella alternatives recently in a backlash against palm oil (convenient backlash, because they know Nutella are locked into long term offtake agreements they can’t just duck out of) but I agree, though several are less sweet they are all fairly pale and milky.
    I hate to jump into your standard environment wrecker role, but my understanding is that Palm Oil is quite good for you compared to a lot of seed oils.
    I'm far from an expert, but I try and have an understanding of what I eat, so heres my limited take....I don't think any decent oil, in moderation, is too bad for you. Where ( highly processed) seed and palm oil fall down is that they're cheap, so get loaded into crap ultra processed edible products and it's easy to over consume them in that form. I also think palm has a reputation for being farmed in a way that is heavily focused on deforestation, so it's not viewed as environmentally sustainable.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,332
    edited May 1

    viewcode said:

    Latest Ladbrokes odds
    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/event/politics/uk/uk-politics/2025-mayoral-elections/249931165/main-markets

    2025 North Tyneside Mayoral Election
    Karen Clark (Labour)
    1/10
    Liam Bones (Conservatives)
    5/1
    John Falkenstein (Reform UK)
    7/1
    John Appleby (Liberal Democrats)
    33/1
    Chloe-Louise Reilly (Greens)
    100/1
    Cath Davis (Independent)
    200/1

    Haway the North. Not falling for Britain Trump's crap.
    Wasn't Britain Trump Boris? Have we repurposed it now?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,074
    AnneJGP said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    You can still get Lab at 3.75 on Skybet, if you fancy it.

    Congratulations by the way to pb (and indeed the Beatles) for reaching a happy consensus on the previous thread that the Beatles were good at pop music. For a site which can figuratively come to blows over how good packet rice is or the desirability of sunny weather, this is no mean feat.

    I envy kids who were pop music fans in about 1965 or 1967 (or indeed several years of the 70s)

    "Hey there's a new Beatles album out next week" - turns out to be Sergeant Pepper, or Revolver, or Abbey Road

    Immortally brilliant music, being made in real time, in your life, and you get to hear it first as you drop the stylus in the groove

    What's the equivalent now? Do we even have one? Not just in music, but in anything?

    Probably it is technology
    The Beatles occurred at a magic time, when technology, fashion, management and societal trends all converged to allow a breakthrough act. They were massively talented, but the timing was perfect.

    Those times felt, from a modern perspective, like a relative vacuum. People got their media from the radio, cinema, papers, and for a tiny minority, clubs. Now we have so much more going on, and so many sources of media. We will not have people saying: "Can you remember when the iPhone was released? My God, that was a queue!" Because it is tosserific.

    I also wonder if we over-exaggerate the impact. As I've said previously, my parents got married and had two kids in the 1960s. He says he was too busy trying to make money to bother with the swinging sixties or the music scene. Events that we may see as epochal with hindsight may have been pretty much ignored by the majority. It was just a new tune on the radio.
    I left school in 1963 and the pop music culture entirely passed me by. Unlike many, I was never able to concentrate on study with background music. And as you suggest, I was just too busy getting on with life, earning a living and so on, to bother about it.
    I left school in 1960, and very much my path as I had no interest in pop music but just playing sport and concentrated on earning a living including joining an Insurance Company in Edinburgh, then the Edinburgh City police, before moving to North Wales with my family and developing two businesses which became very successful
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,800
    TOPPING said:

    Is there a market for seats anywhere.

    DFS? SCS?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,408
    Luke Tryl (MoreInCommon) predictions

    https://xcancel.com/LukeTryl/status/1916396391133270210#m

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,671
    Is the GOP Senate going to confirm Witless for Nat Sec.?

    Why do I even ask.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,289
    @atrupar.com‬

    CNN has footage of Mike Waltz traveling with Trump on the Marine One helicopter on Tuesday, but then not boarding Air Force One to travel with Trump to Michigan. Savage!

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lo4otm7cam26

    @slothropsmap.bsky.social‬

    Yesterday, Waltz was so far up Trump’s ass you couldn’t find him.

    Today, as Trump would say: fired like a dog.

    https://bsky.app/profile/slothropsmap.bsky.social/post/3lo4o7alqdc2e
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,332
    viewcode said:
    Luke's prediction in every race seems to be "too close to call".
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,671
    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    CNN has footage of Mike Waltz traveling with Trump on the Marine One helicopter on Tuesday, but then not boarding Air Force One to travel with Trump to Michigan. Savage!

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lo4otm7cam26

    @slothropsmap.bsky.social‬

    Yesterday, Waltz was so far up Trump’s ass you couldn’t find him.

    Today, as Trump would say: fired like a dog.

    https://bsky.app/profile/slothropsmap.bsky.social/post/3lo4o7alqdc2e

    Isn't fired like a dog a Russian proverb?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,671

    viewcode said:

    Latest Ladbrokes odds
    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/event/politics/uk/uk-politics/2025-mayoral-elections/249931165/main-markets

    2025 North Tyneside Mayoral Election
    Karen Clark (Labour)
    1/10
    Liam Bones (Conservatives)
    5/1
    John Falkenstein (Reform UK)
    7/1
    John Appleby (Liberal Democrats)
    33/1
    Chloe-Louise Reilly (Greens)
    100/1
    Cath Davis (Independent)
    200/1

    Haway the North. Not falling for Britain Trump's crap.
    Wasn't Britain Trump Boris? Have we repurposed it now?
    Yes we have. Boris has supported Ukr all the way. Farage, on the other hand?
  • twistedfirestopper3twistedfirestopper3 Posts: 2,542

    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    CNN has footage of Mike Waltz traveling with Trump on the Marine One helicopter on Tuesday, but then not boarding Air Force One to travel with Trump to Michigan. Savage!

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lo4otm7cam26

    @slothropsmap.bsky.social‬

    Yesterday, Waltz was so far up Trump’s ass you couldn’t find him.

    Today, as Trump would say: fired like a dog.

    https://bsky.app/profile/slothropsmap.bsky.social/post/3lo4o7alqdc2e

    Isn't fired like a dog a Russian proverb?
    I've got the Scarface helicopter execution scene in my head.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,289
    @KlasfeldReports

    BREAKING:

    Trump's Alien Enemies Act Proclamation is "unlawful" — because there is no "declared war," "invasion," or "predatory incursion" under the statute, a federal judge in Texas ruled.

    That judge was appointed by Trump.

    https://x.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1917966662583685126
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,289

    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    CNN has footage of Mike Waltz traveling with Trump on the Marine One helicopter on Tuesday, but then not boarding Air Force One to travel with Trump to Michigan. Savage!

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lo4otm7cam26

    @slothropsmap.bsky.social‬

    Yesterday, Waltz was so far up Trump’s ass you couldn’t find him.

    Today, as Trump would say: fired like a dog.

    https://bsky.app/profile/slothropsmap.bsky.social/post/3lo4o7alqdc2e

    Isn't fired like a dog a Russian proverb?
    I've got the Scarface helicopter execution scene in my head.
    BSky are going with Tommy DeVito in Goodfellas
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,632
    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    You can still get Lab at 3.75 on Skybet, if you fancy it.

    Congratulations by the way to pb (and indeed the Beatles) for reaching a happy consensus on the previous thread that the Beatles were good at pop music. For a site which can figuratively come to blows over how good packet rice is or the desirability of sunny weather, this is no mean feat.

    I envy kids who were pop music fans in about 1965 or 1967 (or indeed several years of the 70s)

    "Hey there's a new Beatles album out next week" - turns out to be Sergeant Pepper, or Revolver, or Abbey Road

    Immortally brilliant music, being made in real time, in your life, and you get to hear it first as you drop the stylus in the groove

    What's the equivalent now? Do we even have one? Not just in music, but in anything?

    Probably it is technology
    My mum's in that category, she went to see the Beatles at a concert in 63 or 64 as a teenager. Lucky generation.
    Actually, I'd say what we had in the early 90s was way better.
    But what that generation had was something that hadn't really gone before. We may have had a better range and offer of pop music in the 90s than the previous generation, but the previous generation had an offer so unrecognisably better than the generation before that. It must have been astounding.
    Elvis just texted me and said wait, what?

    Come to think of it, another first for the Beatles is they wrote their own songs. Elvis didn't. The Rolling Stones didn't. Kylie Minogue didn't.
    Yebbut, kids in the 60s were comparing their experience to that of their parents in the 40s.
    And yes, the 50s happened. But there was considerably more pop music available in the 60s than the 50s.

    Anyway, I wasn't born until the mid 70s. I cede the floor to @OldKingCole and @Big_G_NorthWales
    Of course we compared what was on offer then to what had gone before. And you're right there was a lot more music about in the late 50's/early 60's than earlier.
    And it was easier to buy a gramophone on which to play it.
    I don't know about Big G but I just managed to dodge National Service. And by the mid 70's I was doing the school run now and then, although our children mostly walked to school. Only about a mile away.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,043

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    You can still get Lab at 3.75 on Skybet, if you fancy it.

    Congratulations by the way to pb (and indeed the Beatles) for reaching a happy consensus on the previous thread that the Beatles were good at pop music. For a site which can figuratively come to blows over how good packet rice is or the desirability of sunny weather, this is no mean feat.

    I envy kids who were pop music fans in about 1965 or 1967 (or indeed several years of the 70s)

    "Hey there's a new Beatles album out next week" - turns out to be Sergeant Pepper, or Revolver, or Abbey Road

    Immortally brilliant music, being made in real time, in your life, and you get to hear it first as you drop the stylus in the groove

    What's the equivalent now? Do we even have one? Not just in music, but in anything?

    Probably it is technology
    The Beatles occurred at a magic time, when technology, fashion, management and societal trends all converged to allow a breakthrough act. They were massively talented, but the timing was perfect.

    Those times felt, from a modern perspective, like a relative vacuum. People got their media from the radio, cinema, papers, and for a tiny minority, clubs. Now we have so much more going on, and so many sources of media. We will not have people saying: "Can you remember when the iPhone was released? My God, that was a queue!" Because it is tosserific.

    I also wonder if we over-exaggerate the impact. As I've said previously, my parents got married and had two kids in the 1960s. He says he was too busy trying to make money to bother with the swinging sixties or the music scene. Events that we may see as epochal with hindsight may have been pretty much ignored by the majority. It was just a new tune on the radio.

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    You can still get Lab at 3.75 on Skybet, if you fancy it.

    Congratulations by the way to pb (and indeed the Beatles) for reaching a happy consensus on the previous thread that the Beatles were good at pop music. For a site which can figuratively come to blows over how good packet rice is or the desirability of sunny weather, this is no mean feat.

    I envy kids who were pop music fans in about 1965 or 1967 (or indeed several years of the 70s)

    "Hey there's a new Beatles album out next week" - turns out to be Sergeant Pepper, or Revolver, or Abbey Road

    Immortally brilliant music, being made in real time, in your life, and you get to hear it first as you drop the stylus in the groove

    What's the equivalent now? Do we even have one? Not just in music, but in anything?

    Probably it is technology
    The Beatles occurred at a magic time, when technology, fashion, management and societal trends all converged to allow a breakthrough act. They were massively talented, but the timing was perfect.

    Those times felt, from a modern perspective, like a relative vacuum. People got their media from the radio, cinema, papers, and for a tiny minority, clubs. Now we have so much more going on, and so many sources of media. We will not have people saying: "Can you remember when the iPhone was released? My God, that was a queue!" Because it is tosserific.

    I also wonder if we over-exaggerate the impact. As I've said previously, my parents got married and had two kids in the 1960s. He says he was too busy trying to make money to bother with the swinging sixties or the music scene. Events that we may see as epochal with hindsight may have been pretty much ignored by the majority. It was just a new tune on the radio.
    Derr. Wasn’t referring to phones
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,342

    Is the GOP Senate going to confirm Witless for Nat Sec.?

    Why do I even ask.

    Don't fret, I am sure Murkowski will ask for certain assurances before nodding her head.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,289

    Is the GOP Senate going to confirm Witless for Nat Sec.?

    Why do I even ask.

    He is now saying he doesn't want it

    So, nailed on then
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,781
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    If you’re a more Cameron type Tory then you really need to be voting for Labour in the by election otherwise you end up boosting Reform and the Tories will feel they need to lurch even further to the right .

    Why do people always LURCH to the right? Why can't they swerve, tilt, steer, tack, curve, nudge, shift, bend, ageplay, slutshame, ABDL, snuggle, bukkake, shibari, shunt, nod, anolagnia, move or tit-slap?

    "As Reform gain Runcorn, Rory Stewart talks about the Tories tit-slapping to the right, even as the Lib Dems are prostate milked by the Greens"

    The English language is a marvellous thing; it saddnes me that we resort to cliches

    People lurch to the left because it is alliterative, but also because left wingers are typically creatures of action. I expect the lurch to the right is simply a mirror image in the heads of slightly lazy writers.

    Though I would suggest the following are better descriptors:

    Shuffle to the right (descriptive of voters between the ages of 55 and 65)
    Creep to the right (to do so while trying not to be spotted doing so)
    Stumble to the right (to do so without really definitely intending to)
    Settled to the right (like middle age spread).

    Mind you, not all left-wingers are lurchers. I can't imagine @kinabalu got where he is today by lurching, mind. He doesn't strike me as a lurcher. Maybe he strolled to the left. Ambled there. Lounged. Segued.
    No, I don't lurch. As I think I've said before, I have two distinct ways of walking. Feet pointing in, pigeon style, or outwards and flat like a penguin. The first is for when my mood is springy and creative, the second for when I'm feeling taciturn and grounded. I don't have to dwell on it, deciding each time I go out which one to do, it happens naturally. Indeed my walk tells me what frame of mind I'm in, and it's often a surprise to me.
    As you are a champagne socialist I suspect you "lunch to the left"
    Damn sight more socialism than champagne at my house, Nigel. You'll find that out if you ever visit. And it's authentic. On the Noguchi coffee table in the 'snug' there sits a copy of the Benn Diaries. By Tony Benn.
    Brexiteer books? Oh dear.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,289
    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump on his faith advisers: "They work right out of the White House. That's never been done before. No other president allowed that. They say 'separation between church and state.' I said, alright, let's forget about that for one time."

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lo4pmipz4i2e

    Can any US Senator spell IMPEACHMENT !!!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,800
    edited May 1

    viewcode said:

    Latest Ladbrokes odds
    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/event/politics/uk/uk-politics/2025-mayoral-elections/249931165/main-markets

    2025 North Tyneside Mayoral Election
    Karen Clark (Labour)
    1/10
    Liam Bones (Conservatives)
    5/1
    John Falkenstein (Reform UK)
    7/1
    John Appleby (Liberal Democrats)
    33/1
    Chloe-Louise Reilly (Greens)
    100/1
    Cath Davis (Independent)
    200/1

    Haway the North. Not falling for Britain Trump's crap.
    Wasn't Britain Trump Boris? Have we repurposed it now?
    Yes we have. Boris has supported Ukr all the way. Farage, on the other hand?
    Farage has his head so far up Trump's arse, you'll have trouble seeing where he ends and the Donald begins :lol:
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,074

    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    You can still get Lab at 3.75 on Skybet, if you fancy it.

    Congratulations by the way to pb (and indeed the Beatles) for reaching a happy consensus on the previous thread that the Beatles were good at pop music. For a site which can figuratively come to blows over how good packet rice is or the desirability of sunny weather, this is no mean feat.

    I envy kids who were pop music fans in about 1965 or 1967 (or indeed several years of the 70s)

    "Hey there's a new Beatles album out next week" - turns out to be Sergeant Pepper, or Revolver, or Abbey Road

    Immortally brilliant music, being made in real time, in your life, and you get to hear it first as you drop the stylus in the groove

    What's the equivalent now? Do we even have one? Not just in music, but in anything?

    Probably it is technology
    My mum's in that category, she went to see the Beatles at a concert in 63 or 64 as a teenager. Lucky generation.
    Actually, I'd say what we had in the early 90s was way better.
    But what that generation had was something that hadn't really gone before. We may have had a better range and offer of pop music in the 90s than the previous generation, but the previous generation had an offer so unrecognisably better than the generation before that. It must have been astounding.
    Elvis just texted me and said wait, what?

    Come to think of it, another first for the Beatles is they wrote their own songs. Elvis didn't. The Rolling Stones didn't. Kylie Minogue didn't.
    Yebbut, kids in the 60s were comparing their experience to that of their parents in the 40s.
    And yes, the 50s happened. But there was considerably more pop music available in the 60s than the 50s.

    Anyway, I wasn't born until the mid 70s. I cede the floor to @OldKingCole and @Big_G_NorthWales
    Of course we compared what was on offer then to what had gone before. And you're right there was a lot more music about in the late 50's/early 60's than earlier.
    And it was easier to buy a gramophone on which to play it.
    I don't know about Big G but I just managed to dodge National Service. And by the mid 70's I was doing the school run now and then, although our children mostly walked to school. Only about a mile away.
    Yes - I also missed National Service and very much the same for me in the 1970s though I was working very long hours developing a business but had time for us to have 3 children between 1966 and 1975
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,632
    Scott_xP said:

    @KlasfeldReports

    BREAKING:

    Trump's Alien Enemies Act Proclamation is "unlawful" — because there is no "declared war," "invasion," or "predatory incursion" under the statute, a federal judge in Texas ruled.

    That judge was appointed by Trump.

    https://x.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1917966662583685126

    TRAITOR. Corrupted by DEMOCRATS.

    Posted to save others the trouble of quoting Trump.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,938

    .

    TimS said:

    Selebian said:

    .

    TimS said:

    Cookie said:

    You can still get Lab at 3.75 on Skybet, if you fancy it.

    Congratulations by the way to pb (and indeed the Beatles) for reaching a happy consensus on the previous thread that the Beatles were good at pop music. For a site which can figuratively come to blows over how good packet rice is or the desirability of sunny weather, this is no mean feat.

    Now you’ve done pop music it’s time for sugary chocolate spreads.

    I’ve just had breakfast at a “Nutella cafe”. Yes, Ferrero have decided to emulate Apple, Lego and Nespresso and open their own flagship stores to showcase the product.

    But does the existence of Nutella add or subtract from the sum of global human happiness? I remain on the fence after my “Nutella Danish” which just injected 500g of concentrated sucrose into my blood stream.
    Nutella is vegetable oil and sugar, with some flavourings added.


    Quite a few things are less appealing if you separate them into ingredients- e.g. https://xkcd.com/1616/

    (I'm no Nutella fan, but I am a sucker for good dark chocolate, including on toast. My kids are chocolate spread fans - interestingly it's one of those things where the supermarket own-brand stuff can contain more nuts, more cocoa and less sugar and salt, maybe due to the supermarkets subscribing to the traffic light nutrition labelling and making more effort on that.)
    On a related note, I miss 'old style' chocolate spread before nutella stormed the market and everything became nutella-like. It was darker and more cocoa-y. The closest thing is ganache.
    There’s been a proliferation of Nutella alternatives recently in a backlash against palm oil (convenient backlash, because they know Nutella are locked into long term offtake agreements they can’t just duck out of) but I agree, though several are less sweet they are all fairly pale and milky.
    I hate to jump into your standard environment wrecker role, but my understanding is that Palm Oil is quite good for you compared to a lot of seed oils.
    I'm far from an expert, but I try and have an understanding of what I eat, so heres my limited take....I don't think any decent oil, in moderation, is too bad for you. Where ( highly processed) seed and palm oil fall down is that they're cheap, so get loaded into crap ultra processed edible products and it's easy to over consume them in that form. I also think palm has a reputation for being farmed in a way that is heavily focused on deforestation, so it's not viewed as environmentally sustainable.
    I am also far from an expert, but seed oils are usually not heat stable at a molecular level - they break down and the broken bits are free radicals in the body. I haven't looked into this in detail because I don't really eat palm oil (I prefer butter and coconut oil and occasionally olive or rapeseed but not to cook with), but a blogger I trust said palm oil was actually pretty good.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,043
    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    If you’re a more Cameron type Tory then you really need to be voting for Labour in the by election otherwise you end up boosting Reform and the Tories will feel they need to lurch even further to the right .

    Why do people always LURCH to the right? Why can't they swerve, tilt, steer, tack, curve, nudge, shift, bend, ageplay, slutshame, ABDL, snuggle, bukkake, shibari, shunt, nod, anolagnia, move or tit-slap?

    "As Reform gain Runcorn, Rory Stewart talks about the Tories tit-slapping to the right, even as the Lib Dems are prostate milked by the Greens"

    The English language is a marvellous thing; it saddnes me that we resort to cliches

    People lurch to the left because it is alliterative, but also because left wingers are typically creatures of action. I expect the lurch to the right is simply a mirror image in the heads of slightly lazy writers.

    Though I would suggest the following are better descriptors:

    Shuffle to the right (descriptive of voters between the ages of 55 and 65)
    Creep to the right (to do so while trying not to be spotted doing so)
    Stumble to the right (to do so without really definitely intending to)
    Settled to the right (like middle age spread).

    Mind you, not all left-wingers are lurchers. I can't imagine @kinabalu got where he is today by lurching, mind. He doesn't strike me as a lurcher. Maybe he strolled to the left. Ambled there. Lounged. Segued.
    No, I don't lurch. As I think I've said before, I have two distinct ways of walking. Feet pointing in, pigeon style, or outwards and flat like a penguin. The first is for when my mood is springy and creative, the second for when I'm feeling taciturn and grounded. I don't have to dwell on it, deciding each time I go out which one to do, it happens naturally. Indeed my walk tells me what frame of mind I'm in, and it's often a surprise to me.
    I always had you down as a mincer

    “Did you hear about @kinabalu?”

    “Who?”

    “Your dad.”

    “Oh. Yeah. What about that guy? Didn’t he emigrate?”

    “No he lives down the road you met him yesterday.”

    “Oh yeah. Sorry. Forgot. What about him?”

    “He’s minced. He’s minced to the left.”

    Pause

    “What’s for lunch?”
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,632

    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    You can still get Lab at 3.75 on Skybet, if you fancy it.

    Congratulations by the way to pb (and indeed the Beatles) for reaching a happy consensus on the previous thread that the Beatles were good at pop music. For a site which can figuratively come to blows over how good packet rice is or the desirability of sunny weather, this is no mean feat.

    I envy kids who were pop music fans in about 1965 or 1967 (or indeed several years of the 70s)

    "Hey there's a new Beatles album out next week" - turns out to be Sergeant Pepper, or Revolver, or Abbey Road

    Immortally brilliant music, being made in real time, in your life, and you get to hear it first as you drop the stylus in the groove

    What's the equivalent now? Do we even have one? Not just in music, but in anything?

    Probably it is technology
    My mum's in that category, she went to see the Beatles at a concert in 63 or 64 as a teenager. Lucky generation.
    Actually, I'd say what we had in the early 90s was way better.
    But what that generation had was something that hadn't really gone before. We may have had a better range and offer of pop music in the 90s than the previous generation, but the previous generation had an offer so unrecognisably better than the generation before that. It must have been astounding.
    Elvis just texted me and said wait, what?

    Come to think of it, another first for the Beatles is they wrote their own songs. Elvis didn't. The Rolling Stones didn't. Kylie Minogue didn't.
    Yebbut, kids in the 60s were comparing their experience to that of their parents in the 40s.
    And yes, the 50s happened. But there was considerably more pop music available in the 60s than the 50s.

    Anyway, I wasn't born until the mid 70s. I cede the floor to @OldKingCole and @Big_G_NorthWales
    Of course we compared what was on offer then to what had gone before. And you're right there was a lot more music about in the late 50's/early 60's than earlier.
    And it was easier to buy a gramophone on which to play it.
    I don't know about Big G but I just managed to dodge National Service. And by the mid 70's I was doing the school run now and then, although our children mostly walked to school. Only about a mile away.
    Yes - I also missed National Service and very much the same for me in the 1970s though I was working very long hours developing a business but had time for us to have 3 children between 1966 and 1975
    If memory serves, my friend, 'having the time' to have children was much more a female 'activity' than male. We, as men, were only needed for half an hour or so!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,338
    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    You can still get Lab at 3.75 on Skybet, if you fancy it.

    Congratulations by the way to pb (and indeed the Beatles) for reaching a happy consensus on the previous thread that the Beatles were good at pop music. For a site which can figuratively come to blows over how good packet rice is or the desirability of sunny weather, this is no mean feat.

    I envy kids who were pop music fans in about 1965 or 1967 (or indeed several years of the 70s)

    "Hey there's a new Beatles album out next week" - turns out to be Sergeant Pepper, or Revolver, or Abbey Road

    Immortally brilliant music, being made in real time, in your life, and you get to hear it first as you drop the stylus in the groove

    What's the equivalent now? Do we even have one? Not just in music, but in anything?

    Probably it is technology
    I agree . That era was just amazing .
    At my rowing club, the gym sessions are run by a variety of coaches. The youngest are 18-19.

    Their playlists are fascinating - 90s seem to be a big thing. Also 80s. Some are doing music archeology going back to Elvis.

    It is often the older people putting on more recent music.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,332
    algarkirk said:

    DavidL said:

    Sorry, that’s unfair and no reflection at all on @TSE’s efforts to keep this excellent site running.

    I just have so little enthusiasm or even patience with any of our alternatives right now.
    I am reminded (again) of this magnificent song sang by Joan Baez
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9iYBifsOPI

    The last line “My President sang Amazing Grace.”

    When did we last have a leader you would call “my”?

    John Major, his PM broadcast on the eve of Desert Storm, 1991. His closing words 'Goodnight, and God bless'.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAX9yuvwBx4
    Notable that the Prime Minister was seated and speaking calmly. No lectern. No flags.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,338
    Scott_xP said:

    @rachaelmbade

    On WALTZ news...

    I'm just gonna drop this story right here -- where me &
    @DashaBurns
    reported OVER A MONTH AGO that the plan right after Signalgate, was to fire Michael Waltz -- but at a later date...

    Why? Bc Trump didn't want the libs & the media to win the news cycle.

    FROM THE STORY:

    "The two allies have heard some administration officials are just waiting for the right time to let him go, eager to be free of the newscycle before making changes.

    One of them offered this prediction: “They’ll stick by him for now, but he’ll be gone in a couple of weeks.”

    https://x.com/rachaelmbade/status/1917962465238753338

    Sticking by the guy who fucked up, waiting for the next news cycle, then dumping him has been a thing in politics since before Strafford got a head count reduction.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,289

    Scott_xP said:

    @rachaelmbade

    On WALTZ news...

    I'm just gonna drop this story right here -- where me &
    @DashaBurns
    reported OVER A MONTH AGO that the plan right after Signalgate, was to fire Michael Waltz -- but at a later date...

    Why? Bc Trump didn't want the libs & the media to win the news cycle.

    FROM THE STORY:

    "The two allies have heard some administration officials are just waiting for the right time to let him go, eager to be free of the newscycle before making changes.

    One of them offered this prediction: “They’ll stick by him for now, but he’ll be gone in a couple of weeks.”

    https://x.com/rachaelmbade/status/1917962465238753338

    Sticking by the guy who fucked up, waiting for the next news cycle, then dumping him has been a thing in politics since before Strafford got a head count reduction.
    Making him take part in the ritual humiliation yesterday before the firing is stone cold though
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,800
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    If you’re a more Cameron type Tory then you really need to be voting for Labour in the by election otherwise you end up boosting Reform and the Tories will feel they need to lurch even further to the right .

    Why do people always LURCH to the right? Why can't they swerve, tilt, steer, tack, curve, nudge, shift, bend, ageplay, slutshame, ABDL, snuggle, bukkake, shibari, shunt, nod, anolagnia, move or tit-slap?

    "As Reform gain Runcorn, Rory Stewart talks about the Tories tit-slapping to the right, even as the Lib Dems are prostate milked by the Greens"

    The English language is a marvellous thing; it saddnes me that we resort to cliches

    People lurch to the left because it is alliterative, but also because left wingers are typically creatures of action. I expect the lurch to the right is simply a mirror image in the heads of slightly lazy writers.

    Though I would suggest the following are better descriptors:

    Shuffle to the right (descriptive of voters between the ages of 55 and 65)
    Creep to the right (to do so while trying not to be spotted doing so)
    Stumble to the right (to do so without really definitely intending to)
    Settled to the right (like middle age spread).

    Mind you, not all left-wingers are lurchers. I can't imagine @kinabalu got where he is today by lurching, mind. He doesn't strike me as a lurcher. Maybe he strolled to the left. Ambled there. Lounged. Segued.
    No, I don't lurch. As I think I've said before, I have two distinct ways of walking. Feet pointing in, pigeon style, or outwards and flat like a penguin. The first is for when my mood is springy and creative, the second for when I'm feeling taciturn and grounded. I don't have to dwell on it, deciding each time I go out which one to do, it happens naturally. Indeed my walk tells me what frame of mind I'm in, and it's often a surprise to me.
    As you are a champagne socialist I suspect you "lunch to the left"
    Damn sight more socialism than champagne at my house, Nigel. You'll find that out if you ever visit. And it's authentic. On the Noguchi coffee table in the 'snug' there sits a copy of the Benn Diaries. By Tony Benn.
    Noguchi was the make of Magnum (gun, not ice cream) used by Callan played by Edward Woodward in his TV debut, and book.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,894
    edited May 1
    carnforth said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    If you’re a more Cameron type Tory then you really need to be voting for Labour in the by election otherwise you end up boosting Reform and the Tories will feel they need to lurch even further to the right .

    Why do people always LURCH to the right? Why can't they swerve, tilt, steer, tack, curve, nudge, shift, bend, ageplay, slutshame, ABDL, snuggle, bukkake, shibari, shunt, nod, anolagnia, move or tit-slap?

    "As Reform gain Runcorn, Rory Stewart talks about the Tories tit-slapping to the right, even as the Lib Dems are prostate milked by the Greens"

    The English language is a marvellous thing; it saddnes me that we resort to cliches

    People lurch to the left because it is alliterative, but also because left wingers are typically creatures of action. I expect the lurch to the right is simply a mirror image in the heads of slightly lazy writers.

    Though I would suggest the following are better descriptors:

    Shuffle to the right (descriptive of voters between the ages of 55 and 65)
    Creep to the right (to do so while trying not to be spotted doing so)
    Stumble to the right (to do so without really definitely intending to)
    Settled to the right (like middle age spread).

    Mind you, not all left-wingers are lurchers. I can't imagine @kinabalu got where he is today by lurching, mind. He doesn't strike me as a lurcher. Maybe he strolled to the left. Ambled there. Lounged. Segued.
    No, I don't lurch. As I think I've said before, I have two distinct ways of walking. Feet pointing in, pigeon style, or outwards and flat like a penguin. The first is for when my mood is springy and creative, the second for when I'm feeling taciturn and grounded. I don't have to dwell on it, deciding each time I go out which one to do, it happens naturally. Indeed my walk tells me what frame of mind I'm in, and it's often a surprise to me.
    As you are a champagne socialist I suspect you "lunch to the left"
    Damn sight more socialism than champagne at my house, Nigel. You'll find that out if you ever visit. And it's authentic. On the Noguchi coffee table in the 'snug' there sits a copy of the Benn Diaries. By Tony Benn.
    Brexiteer books? Oh dear.
    Lol, yes. I'm not actually a big fan of his. Prefer other figures from the old Labour left. What I'd rather get into is a more inspiring contemporary Labour left. Not really there atm so I'll take SKS for now. And quite happily, tbh, given the alternatives.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,431

    algarkirk said:

    DavidL said:

    Sorry, that’s unfair and no reflection at all on @TSE’s efforts to keep this excellent site running.

    I just have so little enthusiasm or even patience with any of our alternatives right now.
    I am reminded (again) of this magnificent song sang by Joan Baez
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9iYBifsOPI

    The last line “My President sang Amazing Grace.”

    When did we last have a leader you would call “my”?

    John Major, his PM broadcast on the eve of Desert Storm, 1991. His closing words 'Goodnight, and God bless'.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAX9yuvwBx4
    Notable that the Prime Minister was seated and speaking calmly. No lectern. No flags.
    4:3 was a much better ratio for that kind of thing.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,894
    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    If you’re a more Cameron type Tory then you really need to be voting for Labour in the by election otherwise you end up boosting Reform and the Tories will feel they need to lurch even further to the right .

    Why do people always LURCH to the right? Why can't they swerve, tilt, steer, tack, curve, nudge, shift, bend, ageplay, slutshame, ABDL, snuggle, bukkake, shibari, shunt, nod, anolagnia, move or tit-slap?

    "As Reform gain Runcorn, Rory Stewart talks about the Tories tit-slapping to the right, even as the Lib Dems are prostate milked by the Greens"

    The English language is a marvellous thing; it saddnes me that we resort to cliches

    People lurch to the left because it is alliterative, but also because left wingers are typically creatures of action. I expect the lurch to the right is simply a mirror image in the heads of slightly lazy writers.

    Though I would suggest the following are better descriptors:

    Shuffle to the right (descriptive of voters between the ages of 55 and 65)
    Creep to the right (to do so while trying not to be spotted doing so)
    Stumble to the right (to do so without really definitely intending to)
    Settled to the right (like middle age spread).

    Mind you, not all left-wingers are lurchers. I can't imagine @kinabalu got where he is today by lurching, mind. He doesn't strike me as a lurcher. Maybe he strolled to the left. Ambled there. Lounged. Segued.
    No, I don't lurch. As I think I've said before, I have two distinct ways of walking. Feet pointing in, pigeon style, or outwards and flat like a penguin. The first is for when my mood is springy and creative, the second for when I'm feeling taciturn and grounded. I don't have to dwell on it, deciding each time I go out which one to do, it happens naturally. Indeed my walk tells me what frame of mind I'm in, and it's often a surprise to me.
    As you are a champagne socialist I suspect you "lunch to the left"
    Damn sight more socialism than champagne at my house, Nigel. You'll find that out if you ever visit. And it's authentic. On the Noguchi coffee table in the 'snug' there sits a copy of the Benn Diaries. By Tony Benn.
    Noguchi was the make of Magnum (gun, not ice cream) used by Callan played by Edward Woodward in his TV debut, and book.
    Really? Good prog that as I (dimly) recall.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,332
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    If you’re a more Cameron type Tory then you really need to be voting for Labour in the by election otherwise you end up boosting Reform and the Tories will feel they need to lurch even further to the right .

    Why do people always LURCH to the right? Why can't they swerve, tilt, steer, tack, curve, nudge, shift, bend, ageplay, slutshame, ABDL, snuggle, bukkake, shibari, shunt, nod, anolagnia, move or tit-slap?

    "As Reform gain Runcorn, Rory Stewart talks about the Tories tit-slapping to the right, even as the Lib Dems are prostate milked by the Greens"

    The English language is a marvellous thing; it saddnes me that we resort to cliches

    People lurch to the left because it is alliterative, but also because left wingers are typically creatures of action. I expect the lurch to the right is simply a mirror image in the heads of slightly lazy writers.

    Though I would suggest the following are better descriptors:

    Shuffle to the right (descriptive of voters between the ages of 55 and 65)
    Creep to the right (to do so while trying not to be spotted doing so)
    Stumble to the right (to do so without really definitely intending to)
    Settled to the right (like middle age spread).

    Mind you, not all left-wingers are lurchers. I can't imagine @kinabalu got where he is today by lurching, mind. He doesn't strike me as a lurcher. Maybe he strolled to the left. Ambled there. Lounged. Segued.
    No, I don't lurch. As I think I've said before, I have two distinct ways of walking. Feet pointing in, pigeon style, or outwards and flat like a penguin. The first is for when my mood is springy and creative, the second for when I'm feeling taciturn and grounded. I don't have to dwell on it, deciding each time I go out which one to do, it happens naturally. Indeed my walk tells me what frame of mind I'm in, and it's often a surprise to me.
    As you are a champagne socialist I suspect you "lunch to the left"
    Damn sight more socialism than champagne at my house, Nigel. You'll find that out if you ever visit. And it's authentic. On the Noguchi coffee table in the 'snug' there sits a copy of the Benn Diaries. By Tony Benn.
    Tony Benn was doing a book signing in Waterstones and I bought a copy for a friend. Benn was kind enough to write half a page, in red ink. It was completely illegible.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,949
    This would be good for the Tories.

    https://x.com/britainelects/status/1917973622842360276

    Our forecast for today's local elections:

    CON: 483 seats (-538 on 2021)
    LAB: 334 (+72)
    LDEM: 314 (+104)
    REF: 311 (+311)
    GRN: 56 (+17)
    OTH: 109 (-1)
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,894
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    If you’re a more Cameron type Tory then you really need to be voting for Labour in the by election otherwise you end up boosting Reform and the Tories will feel they need to lurch even further to the right .

    Why do people always LURCH to the right? Why can't they swerve, tilt, steer, tack, curve, nudge, shift, bend, ageplay, slutshame, ABDL, snuggle, bukkake, shibari, shunt, nod, anolagnia, move or tit-slap?

    "As Reform gain Runcorn, Rory Stewart talks about the Tories tit-slapping to the right, even as the Lib Dems are prostate milked by the Greens"

    The English language is a marvellous thing; it saddnes me that we resort to cliches

    People lurch to the left because it is alliterative, but also because left wingers are typically creatures of action. I expect the lurch to the right is simply a mirror image in the heads of slightly lazy writers.

    Though I would suggest the following are better descriptors:

    Shuffle to the right (descriptive of voters between the ages of 55 and 65)
    Creep to the right (to do so while trying not to be spotted doing so)
    Stumble to the right (to do so without really definitely intending to)
    Settled to the right (like middle age spread).

    Mind you, not all left-wingers are lurchers. I can't imagine @kinabalu got where he is today by lurching, mind. He doesn't strike me as a lurcher. Maybe he strolled to the left. Ambled there. Lounged. Segued.
    No, I don't lurch. As I think I've said before, I have two distinct ways of walking. Feet pointing in, pigeon style, or outwards and flat like a penguin. The first is for when my mood is springy and creative, the second for when I'm feeling taciturn and grounded. I don't have to dwell on it, deciding each time I go out which one to do, it happens naturally. Indeed my walk tells me what frame of mind I'm in, and it's often a surprise to me.
    I always had you down as a mincer

    “Did you hear about @kinabalu?”

    “Who?”

    “Your dad.”

    “Oh. Yeah. What about that guy? Didn’t he emigrate?”

    “No he lives down the road you met him yesterday.”

    “Oh yeah. Sorry. Forgot. What about him?”

    “He’s minced. He’s minced to the left.”

    Pause

    “What’s for lunch?”
    No, my springy and creative walk is not a mince. You need to scrub that mental image even if it does things for you.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,632

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    If you’re a more Cameron type Tory then you really need to be voting for Labour in the by election otherwise you end up boosting Reform and the Tories will feel they need to lurch even further to the right .

    Why do people always LURCH to the right? Why can't they swerve, tilt, steer, tack, curve, nudge, shift, bend, ageplay, slutshame, ABDL, snuggle, bukkake, shibari, shunt, nod, anolagnia, move or tit-slap?

    "As Reform gain Runcorn, Rory Stewart talks about the Tories tit-slapping to the right, even as the Lib Dems are prostate milked by the Greens"

    The English language is a marvellous thing; it saddnes me that we resort to cliches

    People lurch to the left because it is alliterative, but also because left wingers are typically creatures of action. I expect the lurch to the right is simply a mirror image in the heads of slightly lazy writers.

    Though I would suggest the following are better descriptors:

    Shuffle to the right (descriptive of voters between the ages of 55 and 65)
    Creep to the right (to do so while trying not to be spotted doing so)
    Stumble to the right (to do so without really definitely intending to)
    Settled to the right (like middle age spread).

    Mind you, not all left-wingers are lurchers. I can't imagine @kinabalu got where he is today by lurching, mind. He doesn't strike me as a lurcher. Maybe he strolled to the left. Ambled there. Lounged. Segued.
    No, I don't lurch. As I think I've said before, I have two distinct ways of walking. Feet pointing in, pigeon style, or outwards and flat like a penguin. The first is for when my mood is springy and creative, the second for when I'm feeling taciturn and grounded. I don't have to dwell on it, deciding each time I go out which one to do, it happens naturally. Indeed my walk tells me what frame of mind I'm in, and it's often a surprise to me.
    As you are a champagne socialist I suspect you "lunch to the left"
    Damn sight more socialism than champagne at my house, Nigel. You'll find that out if you ever visit. And it's authentic. On the Noguchi coffee table in the 'snug' there sits a copy of the Benn Diaries. By Tony Benn.
    Tony Benn was doing a book signing in Waterstones and I bought a copy for a friend. Benn was kind enough to write half a page, in red ink. It was completely illegible.
    As a very elderly pharmacist, trained to read bad handwriting, I offer my services!
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,208

    This would be good for the Tories.

    https://x.com/britainelects/status/1917973622842360276

    Our forecast for today's local elections:

    CON: 483 seats (-538 on 2021)
    LAB: 334 (+72)
    LDEM: 314 (+104)
    REF: 311 (+311)
    GRN: 56 (+17)
    OTH: 109 (-1)

    Would it?
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