North America - Wisconsin makes OK Brie, otherwise no cheese, lol
Australasia - no cheese except some nice goat stuff in Victoria, but really - no cheese, lol
Africa - no cheese, lol
Eastern Europe - no cheese, lol
Western Europe - OMFG THE CHEESE!
Asia - no cheese, lol
As a non traveller I am genuinely surprised. I had a sense cheese would not be a big thing in tropical regions, but assumed it would be excellent in pretty much every region.
Great cheese basically doesn’t exist outside Western Europe, it is genuinely odd the more you think about it, given that humans love cheese (see the global popularity of cheesy pizzas, cheeseburgers etc)
Europe did and does have a unique combo of culture, settlement, affluence, climate, cow pastures and even caves but still - only Western Europe??
I am fairly sure I can spin my cheese epiphany into am entire Gazette article on the Greatness of Western Europe
Can I shock you? Except for on a pizza, I have never knowingly eaten cheese... and I even used to order pizza's without it
Next you will be telling us you have never heard a Radiohead song or watched Die Hard.
Interesting PMQs on trans. I'd say a win on points for Badenoch, but actually they were ripping real chunks out of each other for a while. For a bit, she sort of faltered and he seemed to gain the upper hand by going hard on her record (or lack of) in Government, but then she defended her record pretty robustly and seemed to get better after that. In the end the territory was too uphill for Starmer. He tried to go for the jugular with how Kemi was going to be unseated by a Jenrick/Farage coalition but it didn't work for me because it was so totally unrelated to the questions Badenoch asked that he looked very evasive.
The look Duffield gave him was pure class too. The Tories are clearly courting her and it wouldn't be a huge surprise if she joined them. Not sure she'd keep her seat mind.
Just saw the bit where Starmer starts going on about Farage, in reply to Badenoch's question about his trans flippity flops, and I have realised who he reminds me of (in PMQs anyway). The same cadence as Spitting Image's parody of John Major
North America - Wisconsin makes OK Brie, otherwise no cheese, lol
Australasia - no cheese except some nice goat stuff in Victoria, but really - no cheese, lol
Africa - no cheese, lol
Eastern Europe - no cheese, lol
Western Europe - OMFG THE CHEESE!
Asia - no cheese, lol
As a non traveller I am genuinely surprised. I had a sense cheese would not be a big thing in tropical regions, but assumed it would be excellent in pretty much every region.
Great cheese basically doesn’t exist outside Western Europe, it is genuinely odd the more you think about it, given that humans love cheese (see the global popularity of cheesy pizzas, cheeseburgers etc)
Europe did and does have a unique combo of culture, settlement, affluence, climate, cow pastures and even caves but still - only Western Europe??
I am fairly sure I can spin my cheese epiphany into am entire Gazette article on the Greatness of Western Europe
Can I shock you? Except for on a pizza, I have never knowingly eaten cheese... and I even used to order pizza's without it
Next you will be telling us you have never heard a Radiohead song or watched Die Hard.
I've never watched Die Hard, but I like a few Radiohead songs
One product that has massively improved out of the US that I never thought would (despite history of German immigrants), beer. Yes the mega brands stuff is utter shit, but there are loads of choice now of really good stuff from the US.
If we can get back ON TOPIC, it still amazes me that only western Europe makes great cheese
Yes, this is true. I was having a chat tonight with a cheese-expert friend and we decided on THE TOP TEN world cheeses, and they are all European. Cheeses that are iconic, unique and at their best delicious
Here is our top 10 list (the order is random but by nation:
Those are the ten great cheeses of the world, all western (or southern) Europe. We did have a heated debate about replacing Gruyère with Comte but we decided it was too annoying to give France FOUR cheeses and therefore let them win the world cheese cup, also Gruyère is yummy
I would go for Comté rather than Gruyère personally and I'm not a fan of Italian cheeses except as an ingredient. I would probably add in Gouda but I'd have to think what else.
And I don't recall ever having Epoisses so noted for another day.
In terms of the rest of the world, I did find some decent cheese in Brazil, in Minas Gerais, which is their cheese-producing region. I didn't have enough to pick out anything in particular and I'm sure there's no top 10 contender but some is certainly passable. As I was disparaging about Brazilian food in general I thought I'd give a little credit.
North America - Wisconsin makes OK Brie, otherwise no cheese, lol
Australasia - no cheese except some nice goat stuff in Victoria, but really - no cheese, lol
Africa - no cheese, lol
Eastern Europe - no cheese, lol
Western Europe - OMFG THE CHEESE!
Asia - no cheese, lol
As a non traveller I am genuinely surprised. I had a sense cheese would not be a big thing in tropical regions, but assumed it would be excellent in pretty much every region.
Great cheese basically doesn’t exist outside Western Europe, it is genuinely odd the more you think about it, given that humans love cheese (see the global popularity of cheesy pizzas, cheeseburgers etc)
Europe did and does have a unique combo of culture, settlement, affluence, climate, cow pastures and even caves but still - only Western Europe??
I am fairly sure I can spin my cheese epiphany into am entire Gazette article on the Greatness of Western Europe
Can I shock you? Except for on a pizza, I have never knowingly eaten cheese... and I even used to order pizza without it
Top that (with ham and pineapple)! Well hopefully that post ends Leon's cheese themed thread hijack.
North America - Wisconsin makes OK Brie, otherwise no cheese, lol
Australasia - no cheese except some nice goat stuff in Victoria, but really - no cheese, lol
Africa - no cheese, lol
Eastern Europe - no cheese, lol
Western Europe - OMFG THE CHEESE!
Asia - no cheese, lol
As a non traveller I am genuinely surprised. I had a sense cheese would not be a big thing in tropical regions, but assumed it would be excellent in pretty much every region.
Great cheese basically doesn’t exist outside Western Europe, it is genuinely odd the more you think about it, given that humans love cheese (see the global popularity of cheesy pizzas, cheeseburgers etc)
Europe did and does have a unique combo of culture, settlement, affluence, climate, cow pastures and even caves but still - only Western Europe??
I am fairly sure I can spin my cheese epiphany into am entire Gazette article on the Greatness of Western Europe
Can I shock you? Except for on a pizza, I have never knowingly eaten cheese... and I even used to order pizza without it
Top that (with ham and pineapple)! Well hopefully that post ends Leon's cheese themed thread hijack.
I was providing a service. Otherwise you were talking about trans and toilets, and Canadian politics. QED
It wasn’t a thread hijack, it was a merciful intervention
If we can get back ON TOPIC, it still amazes me that only western Europe makes great cheese
Yes, this is true. I was having a chat tonight with a cheese-expert friend and we decided on THE TOP TEN world cheeses, and they are all European. Cheeses that are iconic, unique and at their best delicious
Here is our top 10 list (the order is random but by nation:
Those are the ten great cheeses of the world, all western (or southern) Europe. We did have a heated debate about replacing Gruyère with Comte but we decided it was too annoying to give France FOUR cheeses and therefore let them win the world cheese cup, also Gruyère is yummy
Gruyère beats Comte for me. Epoisses should be at the very top of the list. If I die eating Epoisses, I will die a happy man. Cheddar needs to be Vintage Cornish Cheddar. There are a lot of meh cheeses that call themselves cheddar. Edit: I was going to nominate Isle of Mull, but it’s basically just an extremely good cheddar.
And Montagnolo, a German blue/brie type cheese is my absolute favourite. Miles better than brie or gorgonzola. Smooth like a camembert (also better than brie) but with the tang and bite of a blue. Enjoying it right now on my crackers.
North America - Wisconsin makes OK Brie, otherwise no cheese, lol
Australasia - no cheese except some nice goat stuff in Victoria, but really - no cheese, lol
Africa - no cheese, lol
Eastern Europe - no cheese, lol
Western Europe - OMFG THE CHEESE!
Asia - no cheese, lol
As a non traveller I am genuinely surprised. I had a sense cheese would not be a big thing in tropical regions, but assumed it would be excellent in pretty much every region.
Great cheese basically doesn’t exist outside Western Europe, it is genuinely odd the more you think about it, given that humans love cheese (see the global popularity of cheesy pizzas, cheeseburgers etc)
Europe did and does have a unique combo of culture, settlement, affluence, climate, cow pastures and even caves but still - only Western Europe??
I am fairly sure I can spin my cheese epiphany into am entire Gazette article on the Greatness of Western Europe
Can I shock you? Except for on a pizza, I have never knowingly eaten cheese... and I even used to order pizza without it
Top that (with ham and pineapple)! Well hopefully that post ends Leon's cheese themed thread hijack.
I was providing a service. Otherwise you were taking about trans and toilets, and Canadian politics. QED
It wasn’t a thread hijack, it was a merciful intervention
To be fair, that's the point of the site mate: political betting.
Personally, I think the Liberals represent a great 20%+ tax-free return in less than 6 days.
Oh, incidentally, Happy St George's Day! At least to all those that celebrate of course! Whilst ensuring that dragons are treated with respect and given dignity in their everyday dragoning. That should cover all bases.
It's a little early, as St George's Day is on Monday 28th April this year.
Saints days are not celebrated in the weeks before and after Easter Sunday.
Do you think the government knew this when they organised the event or they make a bit of cock-up and all the catering was booked?
St George's Day has two meanings WRT date, and this is not new, and this happens in a lot of years, and isn't only about St George. If you want a real mess try the Annuciation (25 March) when Holy Week and Easter are early.
It is a fixed date in the firmament - in this case 23 April, and for all secular purposes that's fine. 25 March is still quarter day and so on.
But church service wise it is moveable because you can't keep it religiously on certain days pre and post Easter - because it gets trumped by the season.
Don't tell the Scots but in the Church of England you cannot ever keep St Andrew (30 November) on a Sunday, because it would always be Advent Sunday, which trumps St Andrew, and all Scotland.
North America - Wisconsin makes OK Brie, otherwise no cheese, lol
Australasia - no cheese except some nice goat stuff in Victoria, but really - no cheese, lol
Africa - no cheese, lol
Eastern Europe - no cheese, lol
Western Europe - OMFG THE CHEESE!
Asia - no cheese, lol
As a non traveller I am genuinely surprised. I had a sense cheese would not be a big thing in tropical regions, but assumed it would be excellent in pretty much every region.
Great cheese basically doesn’t exist outside Western Europe, it is genuinely odd the more you think about it, given that humans love cheese (see the global popularity of cheesy pizzas, cheeseburgers etc)
Europe did and does have a unique combo of culture, settlement, affluence, climate, cow pastures and even caves but still - only Western Europe??
I am fairly sure I can spin my cheese epiphany into am entire Gazette article on the Greatness of Western Europe
The greatest cheese of all is a really excellent Brie de Meux. Epoisses is second.
There has been a little bit of a cheese renaissance in the US in recent years: just as craft beer started 20 years ago, craft cheese is begining to make a decent impact here. It's outrageously expensive, but stuff like Prarie Breeze is among the better hard cheeses I've had.
I woud rate Comte ahead of Gruyere for Swiss cheeses, and I also think there a couple of Spanish cheeses that are definitely top 15, and might sneak into the top 10 on a good day.
If we can get back ON TOPIC, it still amazes me that only western Europe makes great cheese
Yes, this is true. I was having a chat tonight with a cheese-expert friend and we decided on THE TOP TEN world cheeses, and they are all European. Cheeses that are iconic, unique and at their best delicious
Here is our top 10 list (the order is random but by nation:
Those are the ten great cheeses of the world, all western (or southern) Europe. We did have a heated debate about replacing Gruyère with Comte but we decided it was too annoying to give France FOUR cheeses and therefore let them win the world cheese cup, also Gruyère is yummy
Gruyère beats Comte for me. Epoisses should be at the very top of the list. If I die eating Epoisses, I will die a happy man. Cheddar needs to be Vintage Cornish Cheddar. There are a lot of meh cheeses that call themselves cheddar. Edit: I was going to nominate Isle of Mull, but it’s basically just an extremely good cheddar.
And Montagnolo, a German blue/brie type cheese is my absolute favourite. Miles better than brie or gorgonzola. Smooth like a camembert (also better than brie) but with the tang and bite of a blue. Enjoying it right now on my crackers.
Gorgonzola is a terribly overrated cheese. Or, perhaps, it is simply that a lot of very overrated cheeses get branded as Roquefort.
North America - Wisconsin makes OK Brie, otherwise no cheese, lol
Australasia - no cheese except some nice goat stuff in Victoria, but really - no cheese, lol
Africa - no cheese, lol
Eastern Europe - no cheese, lol
Western Europe - OMFG THE CHEESE!
Asia - no cheese, lol
As a non traveller I am genuinely surprised. I had a sense cheese would not be a big thing in tropical regions, but assumed it would be excellent in pretty much every region.
Great cheese basically doesn’t exist outside Western Europe, it is genuinely odd the more you think about it, given that humans love cheese (see the global popularity of cheesy pizzas, cheeseburgers etc)
Europe did and does have a unique combo of culture, settlement, affluence, climate, cow pastures and even caves but still - only Western Europe??
I am fairly sure I can spin my cheese epiphany into am entire Gazette article on the Greatness of Western Europe
What's India's favourite type of steam engine?
Paneer Tank!
Nobody got the joke?
Have none of you had paneer cheese??
I have had paneer cheese: indeed, there's an Indian restaraunt in North London (whose name escapes) me, which does the most divine chilli paneer dish: it is devilishly hot, but somehow they get the outside of the cheese cubes to be crispy, while the inside is soft. Their chili paneer is one of the things I miss most about living in California.
I know that’s tough on Spain - Manchego - and Holland - Gouda - and also Germany - that weird smoked shit - but them’s the breaks in Top Cheese Global Lists
In idle moments I sometimes wonder what Dutch cheese is for. I don't suppose they eat it do they?
it was invented as a replacement for car parts when there’s a rubber shortage, but I think during the war they started to eat it out of necessity, and therefore developed like a liking, as with Cambodians eating spiders under the Khmer Rouge
American cheese isn’t meant to do anything but provide amusement for Europeans in Wal Mart
American cheese is either glue (squirty cheese) or plastic (singles).
i once went into a Wal Mart in Natchez Mississippi and they had a mile long aisle devoted to cheese
Excitedly I perused it, only to discover that on the mile they had four kinds of cheese: cheddar, “Jack cheddar”, Philadelphia, and cheddar shaped like characters out of Finding Nemo
Europeans can't do crisps though.
They do paprika, salted, and that sour cream/bad breath one.
That's it.
America spanks us Europeans like a sub in subspace when it comes to snacks, nuts and the like (as indeed does Japan, Korea, etc)
Eg Beef jerky barely exists in Europe and is horribly overpriced. Walk into any decent American gas station and they will have a trillion different kinds of jerky - ideal for chewing on long road trips
Beef jerky..food of the gods I'm sure..🤔 File under "best left in America" along with Twinkie bars..🥴💩
At the hall I was in, for second year at university, the hall warden was South African. He rigged up some grow lamps in a cupboard and used them to dry biltong to his mother’s recipe.
One day, the police raided the place and carted him and his biltong off. Someone had seen it and assumed drugs. It took a while for them to release him. Not sure if he got the beef back…
Interesting situation in Canada. It's a bad picture in sum for the conservatives, but isn't the most recent development that the tide is ebbing a bit on Carney?
That was probably inevitable given he seemed to have a very positive opening, going for an immediate GE may have been a very good move if so.
It is probably just whistling a happy tune from conservatives, but I read in the Speccie that a social media photo of an older man making obscene finger gestures (Carney supporter) has been outraging people and turning them away from the liberals. I don't immediately see why.
Just trying to work out which of our regulars are on holiday..
Interesting situation in Canada. It's a bad picture in sum for the conservatives, but isn't the most recent development that the tide is ebbing a bit on Carney?
That was probably inevitable given he seemed to have a very positive opening, going for an immediate GE may have been a very good move if so.
It is probably just whistling a happy tune from conservatives, but I read in the Speccie that a social media photo of an older man making obscene finger gestures (Carney supporter) has been outraging people and turning them away from the liberals. I don't immediately see why.
Just trying to work out which of our regulars are on holiday..
The greatest cheese of all is a really excellent Brie de Meux. Epoisses is second.
There has been a little bit of a cheese renaissance in the US in recent years: just as craft beer started 20 years ago, craft cheese is begining to make a decent impact here. It's outrageously expensive, but stuff like Prarie Breeze is among the better hard cheeses I've had.
I woud rate Comte ahead of Gruyere for Swiss cheeses, and I also think there a couple of Spanish cheeses that are definitely top 15, and might sneak into the top 10 on a good day.
I know that’s tough on Spain - Manchego - and Holland - Gouda - and also Germany - that weird smoked shit - but them’s the breaks in Top Cheese Global Lists
In idle moments I sometimes wonder what Dutch cheese is for. I don't suppose they eat it do they?
it was invented as a replacement for car parts when there’s a rubber shortage, but I think during the war they started to eat it out of necessity, and therefore developed like a liking, as with Cambodians eating spiders under the Khmer Rouge
American cheese isn’t meant to do anything but provide amusement for Europeans in Wal Mart
American cheese is either glue (squirty cheese) or plastic (singles).
i once went into a Wal Mart in Natchez Mississippi and they had a mile long aisle devoted to cheese
Excitedly I perused it, only to discover that on the mile they had four kinds of cheese: cheddar, “Jack cheddar”, Philadelphia, and cheddar shaped like characters out of Finding Nemo
Europeans can't do crisps though.
They do paprika, salted, and that sour cream/bad breath one.
That's it.
We are the crisp capital. We have perfected gourmet potato crisp flavourings. America is more into making various MSG-covered E-number drenched extruded corn puffs.
North America - Wisconsin makes OK Brie, otherwise no cheese, lol
Australasia - no cheese except some nice goat stuff in Victoria, but really - no cheese, lol
Africa - no cheese, lol
Eastern Europe - no cheese, lol
Western Europe - OMFG THE CHEESE!
Asia - no cheese, lol
As a non traveller I am genuinely surprised. I had a sense cheese would not be a big thing in tropical regions, but assumed it would be excellent in pretty much every region.
Great cheese basically doesn’t exist outside Western Europe, it is genuinely odd the more you think about it, given that humans love cheese (see the global popularity of cheesy pizzas, cheeseburgers etc)
Europe did and does have a unique combo of culture, settlement, affluence, climate, cow pastures and even caves but still - only Western Europe??
I am fairly sure I can spin my cheese epiphany into am entire Gazette article on the Greatness of Western Europe
What's India's favourite type of steam engine?
Paneer Tank!
Nobody got the joke?
Have none of you had paneer cheese??
I have, frequently. I’ve made Saag Paneer many times and will make my own paneer this summer.
Paneer is bland, and tasteless. A bit like firm Tofu. But has a better texture.
If we can get back ON TOPIC, it still amazes me that only western Europe makes great cheese
Yes, this is true. I was having a chat tonight with a cheese-expert friend and we decided on THE TOP TEN world cheeses, and they are all European. Cheeses that are iconic, unique and at their best delicious
Here is our top 10 list (the order is random but by nation:
Those are the ten great cheeses of the world, all western (or southern) Europe. We did have a heated debate about replacing Gruyère with Comte but we decided it was too annoying to give France FOUR cheeses and therefore let them win the world cheese cup, also Gruyère is yummy
Gruyère beats Comte for me. Epoisses should be at the very top of the list. If I die eating Epoisses, I will die a happy man. Cheddar needs to be Vintage Cornish Cheddar. There are a lot of meh cheeses that call themselves cheddar. Edit: I was going to nominate Isle of Mull, but it’s basically just an extremely good cheddar.
And Montagnolo, a German blue/brie type cheese is my absolute favourite. Miles better than brie or gorgonzola. Smooth like a camembert (also better than brie) but with the tang and bite of a blue. Enjoying it right now on my crackers.
Gorgonzola is a terribly overrated cheese. Or, perhaps, it is simply that a lot of very overrated cheeses get branded as Roquefort.
I don't understand that last part, but I could quite happily live on Gorgonzola, bread, and fresh figs. At least for a while.
Montagnolo or Cambozola (they are pretty much the same cheese) is pleasant but a bit paddling in the shallows. Nothing wrong with that, not asking you to try that Sardinian one where the maggots jump in your eye, but there are just tastier cheeses out there waiting.
North America - Wisconsin makes OK Brie, otherwise no cheese, lol
Australasia - no cheese except some nice goat stuff in Victoria, but really - no cheese, lol
Africa - no cheese, lol
Eastern Europe - no cheese, lol
Western Europe - OMFG THE CHEESE!
Asia - no cheese, lol
As a non traveller I am genuinely surprised. I had a sense cheese would not be a big thing in tropical regions, but assumed it would be excellent in pretty much every region.
Great cheese basically doesn’t exist outside Western Europe, it is genuinely odd the more you think about it, given that humans love cheese (see the global popularity of cheesy pizzas, cheeseburgers etc)
Europe did and does have a unique combo of culture, settlement, affluence, climate, cow pastures and even caves but still - only Western Europe??
I am fairly sure I can spin my cheese epiphany into am entire Gazette article on the Greatness of Western Europe
What's India's favourite type of steam engine?
Paneer Tank!
Nobody got the joke?
Have none of you had paneer cheese??
I have, frequently. I’ve made Saag Paneer many times and will make my own paneer this summer.
Paneer is bland, and tasteless. A bit like firm Tofu. But has a better texture.
Like cottage cheese, Paneer is an ingredient. On its own… but when in a good dish, superb.
Wife and I have been to York and had cheese and charcuterie and wine in Love Cheese and very pleasant it was too. All local cheeses. A real mix. Loved them. Our favourite was an English Brie style cheese.
If we can get back ON TOPIC, it still amazes me that only western Europe makes great cheese
Yes, this is true. I was having a chat tonight with a cheese-expert friend and we decided on THE TOP TEN world cheeses, and they are all European. Cheeses that are iconic, unique and at their best delicious
Here is our top 10 list (the order is random but by nation:
Those are the ten great cheeses of the world, all western (or southern) Europe. We did have a heated debate about replacing Gruyère with Comte but we decided it was too annoying to give France FOUR cheeses and therefore let them win the world cheese cup, also Gruyère is yummy
Gruyère beats Comte for me. Epoisses should be at the very top of the list. If I die eating Epoisses, I will die a happy man. Cheddar needs to be Vintage Cornish Cheddar. There are a lot of meh cheeses that call themselves cheddar. Edit: I was going to nominate Isle of Mull, but it’s basically just an extremely good cheddar.
And Montagnolo, a German blue/brie type cheese is my absolute favourite. Miles better than brie or gorgonzola. Smooth like a camembert (also better than brie) but with the tang and bite of a blue. Enjoying it right now on my crackers.
Gorgonzola is a terribly overrated cheese. Or, perhaps, it is simply that a lot of very overrated cheeses get branded as Roquefort.
I once made the mistake of trying to bring some back from Italy in my suitcase. Never felt quite the same about it since, funnily enough.
North America - Wisconsin makes OK Brie, otherwise no cheese, lol
Australasia - no cheese except some nice goat stuff in Victoria, but really - no cheese, lol
Africa - no cheese, lol
Eastern Europe - no cheese, lol
Western Europe - OMFG THE CHEESE!
Asia - no cheese, lol
As a non traveller I am genuinely surprised. I had a sense cheese would not be a big thing in tropical regions, but assumed it would be excellent in pretty much every region.
Great cheese basically doesn’t exist outside Western Europe, it is genuinely odd the more you think about it, given that humans love cheese (see the global popularity of cheesy pizzas, cheeseburgers etc)
Europe did and does have a unique combo of culture, settlement, affluence, climate, cow pastures and even caves but still - only Western Europe??
I am fairly sure I can spin my cheese epiphany into am entire Gazette article on the Greatness of Western Europe
What's India's favourite type of steam engine?
Paneer Tank!
Nobody got the joke?
Have none of you had paneer cheese??
I have, frequently. I’ve made Saag Paneer many times and will make my own paneer this summer.
Paneer is bland, and tasteless. A bit like firm Tofu. But has a better texture.
Like cottage cheese, Paneer is an ingredient. On its own… but when in a good dish, superb.
Yeah, something I found out quite quicky. It’s great in a Saag paneer.
Definitely similar to firm tofu. Great when roasted after being tossed in oil, cornflour and soy sauce. In its own not up,to much.
If we can get back ON TOPIC, it still amazes me that only western Europe makes great cheese
Yes, this is true. I was having a chat tonight with a cheese-expert friend and we decided on THE TOP TEN world cheeses, and they are all European. Cheeses that are iconic, unique and at their best delicious
Here is our top 10 list (the order is random but by nation:
Those are the ten great cheeses of the world, all western (or southern) Europe. We did have a heated debate about replacing Gruyère with Comte but we decided it was too annoying to give France FOUR cheeses and therefore let them win the world cheese cup, also Gruyère is yummy
Gruyère beats Comte for me. Epoisses should be at the very top of the list. If I die eating Epoisses, I will die a happy man. Cheddar needs to be Vintage Cornish Cheddar. There are a lot of meh cheeses that call themselves cheddar. Edit: I was going to nominate Isle of Mull, but it’s basically just an extremely good cheddar.
And Montagnolo, a German blue/brie type cheese is my absolute favourite. Miles better than brie or gorgonzola. Smooth like a camembert (also better than brie) but with the tang and bite of a blue. Enjoying it right now on my crackers.
Gorgonzola is a terribly overrated cheese. Or, perhaps, it is simply that a lot of very overrated cheeses get branded as Roquefort.
I once made the mistake of trying to bring some back from Italy in my suitcase. Never felt quite the same about it since, funnily enough.
If we can get back ON TOPIC, it still amazes me that only western Europe makes great cheese
Yes, this is true. I was having a chat tonight with a cheese-expert friend and we decided on THE TOP TEN world cheeses, and they are all European. Cheeses that are iconic, unique and at their best delicious
Here is our top 10 list (the order is random but by nation:
Those are the ten great cheeses of the world, all western (or southern) Europe. We did have a heated debate about replacing Gruyère with Comte but we decided it was too annoying to give France FOUR cheeses and therefore let them win the world cheese cup, also Gruyère is yummy
Gruyère beats Comte for me. Epoisses should be at the very top of the list. If I die eating Epoisses, I will die a happy man. Cheddar needs to be Vintage Cornish Cheddar. There are a lot of meh cheeses that call themselves cheddar. Edit: I was going to nominate Isle of Mull, but it’s basically just an extremely good cheddar.
And Montagnolo, a German blue/brie type cheese is my absolute favourite. Miles better than brie or gorgonzola. Smooth like a camembert (also better than brie) but with the tang and bite of a blue. Enjoying it right now on my crackers.
Gorgonzola is a terribly overrated cheese. Or, perhaps, it is simply that a lot of very overrated cheeses get branded as Roquefort.
I once made the mistake of trying to bring some back from Italy in my suitcase. Never felt quite the same about it since, funnily enough.
About the cheese, or about the suitcase?
Well both, to be honest. The smell was there forever.
Can any Starmer fans explain to me how there was any justification for his answers, to questions from Badenoch on his record over women’s rights, to be about Jenrick and Farage ?
If we can get back ON TOPIC, it still amazes me that only western Europe makes great cheese
Yes, this is true. I was having a chat tonight with a cheese-expert friend and we decided on THE TOP TEN world cheeses, and they are all European. Cheeses that are iconic, unique and at their best delicious
Here is our top 10 list (the order is random but by nation:
Those are the ten great cheeses of the world, all western (or southern) Europe. We did have a heated debate about replacing Gruyère with Comte but we decided it was too annoying to give France FOUR cheeses and therefore let them win the world cheese cup, also Gruyère is yummy
Gruyère beats Comte for me. Epoisses should be at the very top of the list. If I die eating Epoisses, I will die a happy man. Cheddar needs to be Vintage Cornish Cheddar. There are a lot of meh cheeses that call themselves cheddar. Edit: I was going to nominate Isle of Mull, but it’s basically just an extremely good cheddar.
And Montagnolo, a German blue/brie type cheese is my absolute favourite. Miles better than brie or gorgonzola. Smooth like a camembert (also better than brie) but with the tang and bite of a blue. Enjoying it right now on my crackers.
Gorgonzola is a terribly overrated cheese. Or, perhaps, it is simply that a lot of very overrated cheeses get branded as Roquefort.
I once made the mistake of trying to bring some back from Italy in my suitcase. Never felt quite the same about it since, funnily enough.
About the cheese, or about the suitcase?
Well both, to be honest. The smell was there forever.
Chapter Four of 'Three Men in a Boat' covers the subject of travelling with cheese comprehensively.
North America - Wisconsin makes OK Brie, otherwise no cheese, lol
Australasia - no cheese except some nice goat stuff in Victoria, but really - no cheese, lol
Africa - no cheese, lol
Eastern Europe - no cheese, lol
Western Europe - OMFG THE CHEESE!
Asia - no cheese, lol
As a non traveller I am genuinely surprised. I had a sense cheese would not be a big thing in tropical regions, but assumed it would be excellent in pretty much every region.
Great cheese basically doesn’t exist outside Western Europe, it is genuinely odd the more you think about it, given that humans love cheese (see the global popularity of cheesy pizzas, cheeseburgers etc)
Europe did and does have a unique combo of culture, settlement, affluence, climate, cow pastures and even caves but still - only Western Europe??
I am fairly sure I can spin my cheese epiphany into am entire Gazette article on the Greatness of Western Europe
What's India's favourite type of steam engine?
Paneer Tank!
Nobody got the joke?
Have none of you had paneer cheese??
I have, frequently. I’ve made Saag Paneer many times and will make my own paneer this summer.
Paneer is bland, and tasteless. A bit like firm Tofu. But has a better texture.
WarMonitor🇺🇦🇬🇧 @WarMonitor3 · 50m India has started large scale security operations in Jammu and Kashmir.
Great. Just what we need. A hot war between Pakistan and India...
Wars are getting back in fashion when even the big boys, who for most of the time in the last 50 years have acted above it all, really start getting back into it.
Kaltbach Creamy (Creamy, dense, bouncy Swiss hard cheese)
Shropshire Blue (Joyously dyed yellow cousin of Stilton, smoother and less crumbly, oddly invented by an Aberdonian)
Ossau Iraty (Basque sheep's milk hard cheese. Lovely flavour, great for dairy lactose avoiders who miss real cheese)
Applewood smoked cheddar (Most will have had this in some form. It's not really smoked - some are but it results in uneven smokiness. Smoke flavour is added. But it is rich and delicious - better than that sausagy German child's smoked cheese)
Strathdon Blue (Scottish Highlands soft blue - a real full flavoured richly blue cheese, salty maritime flavours, yum)
He is now suggesting that Putin might be in possession of some sort of 'material', re; 'footage of Donald Trump in Russian hotel rooms', something of an 'underage' nature
OB shouldn't be allowed to say this ^ on National radio
Kaltbach Creamy (Creamy, dense, bouncy Swiss hard cheese)
Shropshire Blue (Joyously dyed yellow cousin of Stilton, smoother and less crumbly, oddly invented by an Aberdonian)
Ossau Iraty (Basque sheep's milk hard cheese. Lovely flavour, great for dairy lactose avoiders who miss real cheese)
Applewood smoked cheddar (Most will have had this in some form. It's not really smoked - some are but it results in uneven smokiness. Smoke flavour is added. But it is rich and delicious - better than that sausagy German child's smoked cheese)
Strathdon Blue (Scottish Highlands soft blue - a real full flavoured richly blue cheese, salty maritime flavours, yum)
Can any Starmer fans explain to me how there was any justification for his answers, to questions from Badenoch on his record over women’s rights, to be about Jenrick and Farage ?
If this is PMQs you are discussing, you are in the wrong register. Reasons, justifications, explanations, rationality are not in issue. There are almost no justifications for spending time on it unless some stellar performers are on. Of which at the moment there are none.
Worth recalling in their prime and pomp: Thatcher, Blair, Hague and very occasionally deputising, IIRC, Angela Eagle who was very funny.
Can any Starmer fans explain to me how there was any justification for his answers, to questions from Badenoch on his record over women’s rights, to be about Jenrick and Farage ?
It was about political survival. He thinks the best chance of not getting shellacked in the locals is by tarring Reform and the Tories with the same brush, and trying to form a Labour-voting anti-Refcon coalition.
If we can get back ON TOPIC, it still amazes me that only western Europe makes great cheese
Yes, this is true. I was having a chat tonight with a cheese-expert friend and we decided on THE TOP TEN world cheeses, and they are all European. Cheeses that are iconic, unique and at their best delicious
Here is our top 10 list (the order is random but by nation:
Those are the ten great cheeses of the world, all western (or southern) Europe. We did have a heated debate about replacing Gruyère with Comte but we decided it was too annoying to give France FOUR cheeses and therefore let them win the world cheese cup, also Gruyère is yummy
Gruyère beats Comte for me. Epoisses should be at the very top of the list. If I die eating Epoisses, I will die a happy man. Cheddar needs to be Vintage Cornish Cheddar. There are a lot of meh cheeses that call themselves cheddar. Edit: I was going to nominate Isle of Mull, but it’s basically just an extremely good cheddar.
And Montagnolo, a German blue/brie type cheese is my absolute favourite. Miles better than brie or gorgonzola. Smooth like a camembert (also better than brie) but with the tang and bite of a blue. Enjoying it right now on my crackers.
Gorgonzola is a terribly overrated cheese. Or, perhaps, it is simply that a lot of very overrated cheeses get branded as Roquefort.
I had some excellent gorgonzola ice cream yesterday
Kaltbach Creamy (Creamy, dense, bouncy Swiss hard cheese)
Shropshire Blue (Joyously dyed yellow cousin of Stilton, smoother and less crumbly, oddly invented by an Aberdonian)
Ossau Iraty (Basque sheep's milk hard cheese. Lovely flavour, great for dairy lactose avoiders who miss real cheese)
Applewood smoked cheddar (Most will have had this in some form. It's not really smoked - some are but it results in uneven smokiness. Smoke flavour is added. But it is rich and delicious - better than that sausagy German child's smoked cheese)
Strathdon Blue (Scottish Highlands soft blue - a real full flavoured richly blue cheese, salty maritime flavours, yum)
Can any Starmer fans explain to me how there was any justification for his answers, to questions from Badenoch on his record over women’s rights, to be about Jenrick and Farage ?
That's easy. It is because Kemi makes the same mistake week after week after week.
Instead of simply asking a question, she goes off on a meandering, multi-clause introduction encompassing many unrelated subjects and then tacks a question on the end. This allows Starmer to pick the easiest part of her question to answer, ignoring the rest.
Kemi mentioned Labour plots on Whatsapp which meant Starmer could pivot to Tory Whatsapp plotters and thence to Jenrick and Farage.
Can any Starmer fans explain to me how there was any justification for his answers, to questions from Badenoch on his record over women’s rights, to be about Jenrick and Farage ?
If this is PMQs you are discussing, you are in the wrong register. Reasons, justifications, explanations, rationality are not in issue. There are almost no justifications for spending time on it unless some stellar performers are on. Of which at the moment there are none.
Worth recalling in their prime and pomp: Thatcher, Blair, Hague and very occasionally deputising, IIRC, Angela Eagle who was very funny.
It was quite good today. Bloody and unsophisticated, like a bar brawl.
Can any Starmer fans explain to me how there was any justification for his answers, to questions from Badenoch on his record over women’s rights, to be about Jenrick and Farage ?
Not a fan, but I'll try.
He couldn't exactly say "I used to think it was fine for a woman to have an old boy, but now I don't". Better to say "talking of enormous todgers has anyone seen Farage and Honest Bob?"
Can any Starmer fans explain to me how there was any justification for his answers, to questions from Badenoch on his record over women’s rights, to be about Jenrick and Farage ?
That's easy. It is because Kemi makes the same mistake week after week after week.
Instead of simply asking a question, she goes off on a meandering, multi-clause introduction encompassing many unrelated subjects and then tacks a question on the end. This allows Starmer to pick the easiest part of her question to answer, ignoring the rest.
Kemi mentioned Labour plots on Whatsapp which meant Starmer could pivot to Tory Whatsapp plotters and thence to Jenrick and Farage.
North America - Wisconsin makes OK Brie, otherwise no cheese, lol
Australasia - no cheese except some nice goat stuff in Victoria, but really - no cheese, lol
Africa - no cheese, lol
Eastern Europe - no cheese, lol
Western Europe - OMFG THE CHEESE!
Asia - no cheese, lol
As a non traveller I am genuinely surprised. I had a sense cheese would not be a big thing in tropical regions, but assumed it would be excellent in pretty much every region.
Great cheese basically doesn’t exist outside Western Europe, it is genuinely odd the more you think about it, given that humans love cheese (see the global popularity of cheesy pizzas, cheeseburgers etc)
Europe did and does have a unique combo of culture, settlement, affluence, climate, cow pastures and even caves but still - only Western Europe??
I am fairly sure I can spin my cheese epiphany into am entire Gazette article on the Greatness of Western Europe
Can I shock you? Except for on a pizza, I have never knowingly eaten cheese... and I even used to order pizza's without it
Next you will be telling us you have never heard a Radiohead song or watched Die Hard.
I've never watched Die Hard, but I like a few Radiohead songs
Given the assumptions being made about *all* trans women in the previous thread on the basis of one or two outliers, I assume we can make the same assumptions about all terfy types funded by terfy organisations?
Kaltbach Creamy (Creamy, dense, bouncy Swiss hard cheese)
Shropshire Blue (Joyously dyed yellow cousin of Stilton, smoother and less crumbly, oddly invented by an Aberdonian)
Ossau Iraty (Basque sheep's milk hard cheese. Lovely flavour, great for dairy lactose avoiders who miss real cheese)
Applewood smoked cheddar (Most will have had this in some form. It's not really smoked - some are but it results in uneven smokiness. Smoke flavour is added. But it is rich and delicious - better than that sausagy German child's smoked cheese)
Strathdon Blue (Scottish Highlands soft blue - a real full flavoured richly blue cheese, salty maritime flavours, yum)
The only one of those I haven’t tried is Kaltbach. I’ll keep an eye out for it. Strathdon blue is particularly good.
He is now suggesting that Putin might be in possession of some sort of 'material', re; 'footage of Donald Trump in Russian hotel rooms', something of an 'underage' nature
OB shouldn't be allowed to say this ^ on National radio
It doesn't seem an entirely unreasonable suggestion. It's eminently possible he's been compromised given his bizarre behaviour, and given his past sexual history (including what he said about his own fourteen year old daughter) the idea of paedophilia is hardly a stretch.
North America - Wisconsin makes OK Brie, otherwise no cheese, lol
Australasia - no cheese except some nice goat stuff in Victoria, but really - no cheese, lol
Africa - no cheese, lol
Eastern Europe - no cheese, lol
Western Europe - OMFG THE CHEESE!
Asia - no cheese, lol
As a non traveller I am genuinely surprised. I had a sense cheese would not be a big thing in tropical regions, but assumed it would be excellent in pretty much every region.
Great cheese basically doesn’t exist outside Western Europe, it is genuinely odd the more you think about it, given that humans love cheese (see the global popularity of cheesy pizzas, cheeseburgers etc)
Europe did and does have a unique combo of culture, settlement, affluence, climate, cow pastures and even caves but still - only Western Europe??
I am fairly sure I can spin my cheese epiphany into am entire Gazette article on the Greatness of Western Europe
Can I shock you? Except for on a pizza, I have never knowingly eaten cheese... and I even used to order pizza's without it
Next you will be telling us you have never heard a Radiohead song or watched Die Hard.
I've never watched Die Hard, but I like a few Radiohead songs
If we can get back ON TOPIC, it still amazes me that only western Europe makes great cheese
Yes, this is true. I was having a chat tonight with a cheese-expert friend and we decided on THE TOP TEN world cheeses, and they are all European. Cheeses that are iconic, unique and at their best delicious
Here is our top 10 list (the order is random but by nation:
Those are the ten great cheeses of the world, all western (or southern) Europe. We did have a heated debate about replacing Gruyère with Comte but we decided it was too annoying to give France FOUR cheeses and therefore let them win the world cheese cup, also Gruyère is yummy
I would rate Appenzeller ahead of Gruyère and Beaufort ahead of Comté while being similar cheeses. Less well known and available of course.
Kaltbach Creamy (Creamy, dense, bouncy Swiss hard cheese)
Shropshire Blue (Joyously dyed yellow cousin of Stilton, smoother and less crumbly, oddly invented by an Aberdonian)
Ossau Iraty (Basque sheep's milk hard cheese. Lovely flavour, great for dairy lactose avoiders who miss real cheese)
Applewood smoked cheddar (Most will have had this in some form. It's not really smoked - some are but it results in uneven smokiness. Smoke flavour is added. But it is rich and delicious - better than that sausagy German child's smoked cheese)
Strathdon Blue (Scottish Highlands soft blue - a real full flavoured richly blue cheese, salty maritime flavours, yum)
The only one of those I haven’t tried is Kaltbach. I’ll keep an eye out for it. Strathdon blue is particularly good.
North America - Wisconsin makes OK Brie, otherwise no cheese, lol
Australasia - no cheese except some nice goat stuff in Victoria, but really - no cheese, lol
Africa - no cheese, lol
Eastern Europe - no cheese, lol
Western Europe - OMFG THE CHEESE!
Asia - no cheese, lol
As a non traveller I am genuinely surprised. I had a sense cheese would not be a big thing in tropical regions, but assumed it would be excellent in pretty much every region.
Great cheese basically doesn’t exist outside Western Europe, it is genuinely odd the more you think about it, given that humans love cheese (see the global popularity of cheesy pizzas, cheeseburgers etc)
Europe did and does have a unique combo of culture, settlement, affluence, climate, cow pastures and even caves but still - only Western Europe??
I am fairly sure I can spin my cheese epiphany into am entire Gazette article on the Greatness of Western Europe
Can I shock you? Except for on a pizza, I have never knowingly eaten cheese... and I even used to order pizza's without it
Next you will be telling us you have never heard a Radiohead song or watched Die Hard.
I've never watched Die Hard, but I like a few Radiohead songs
Crawler...
Creep, surely?!
I wouldn't dare suggest there was anything creepy about liking Radiohead.
North America - Wisconsin makes OK Brie, otherwise no cheese, lol
Australasia - no cheese except some nice goat stuff in Victoria, but really - no cheese, lol
Africa - no cheese, lol
Eastern Europe - no cheese, lol
Western Europe - OMFG THE CHEESE!
Asia - no cheese, lol
As a non traveller I am genuinely surprised. I had a sense cheese would not be a big thing in tropical regions, but assumed it would be excellent in pretty much every region.
Great cheese basically doesn’t exist outside Western Europe, it is genuinely odd the more you think about it, given that humans love cheese (see the global popularity of cheesy pizzas, cheeseburgers etc)
Europe did and does have a unique combo of culture, settlement, affluence, climate, cow pastures and even caves but still - only Western Europe??
I am fairly sure I can spin my cheese epiphany into am entire Gazette article on the Greatness of Western Europe
Can I shock you? Except for on a pizza, I have never knowingly eaten cheese... and I even used to order pizza without it
Top that (with ham and pineapple)! Well hopefully that post ends Leon's cheese themed thread hijack.
I was providing a service. Otherwise you were talking about trans and toilets, and Canadian politics. QED
It wasn’t a thread hijack, it was a merciful intervention
I will admit this was perhaps the most enjoyable to read thread hijack I've seen in a while.
It's funny because I read it on my way back from work drinks that involved an unusually heated debate on geopolitics. Fortunately, I could switch off on my way home by reading a politics blog discussing the relative merits of different cheeses.
North America - Wisconsin makes OK Brie, otherwise no cheese, lol
Australasia - no cheese except some nice goat stuff in Victoria, but really - no cheese, lol
Africa - no cheese, lol
Eastern Europe - no cheese, lol
Western Europe - OMFG THE CHEESE!
Asia - no cheese, lol
As a non traveller I am genuinely surprised. I had a sense cheese would not be a big thing in tropical regions, but assumed it would be excellent in pretty much every region.
Great cheese basically doesn’t exist outside Western Europe, it is genuinely odd the more you think about it, given that humans love cheese (see the global popularity of cheesy pizzas, cheeseburgers etc)
Europe did and does have a unique combo of culture, settlement, affluence, climate, cow pastures and even caves but still - only Western Europe??
I am fairly sure I can spin my cheese epiphany into am entire Gazette article on the Greatness of Western Europe
Can I shock you? Except for on a pizza, I have never knowingly eaten cheese... and I even used to order pizza without it
Top that (with ham and pineapple)! Well hopefully that post ends Leon's cheese themed thread hijack.
I was providing a service. Otherwise you were talking about trans and toilets, and Canadian politics. QED
It wasn’t a thread hijack, it was a merciful intervention
I will admit this was perhaps the most enjoyable to read thread hijack I've seen in a while.
It's funny because I read it on my way back from work drinks that involved an unusually heated debate on geopolitics. Fortunately, I could switch off on my way home by reading a politics blog discussing the relative merits of different cheeses.
How anyone could have a discussion on brilliant cheese and not include Double Gloucester I have no idea.
Kaltbach Creamy (Creamy, dense, bouncy Swiss hard cheese)
Shropshire Blue (Joyously dyed yellow cousin of Stilton, smoother and less crumbly, oddly invented by an Aberdonian)
Ossau Iraty (Basque sheep's milk hard cheese. Lovely flavour, great for dairy lactose avoiders who miss real cheese)
Applewood smoked cheddar (Most will have had this in some form. It's not really smoked - some are but it results in uneven smokiness. Smoke flavour is added. But it is rich and delicious - better than that sausagy German child's smoked cheese)
Strathdon Blue (Scottish Highlands soft blue - a real full flavoured richly blue cheese, salty maritime flavours, yum)
The only one of those I haven’t tried is Kaltbach. I’ll keep an eye out for it. Strathdon blue is particularly good.
English, and I’m careful about national descriptions, cheese took a while to get over Wartime Rationed Mousetrap.
North America - Wisconsin makes OK Brie, otherwise no cheese, lol
Australasia - no cheese except some nice goat stuff in Victoria, but really - no cheese, lol
Africa - no cheese, lol
Eastern Europe - no cheese, lol
Western Europe - OMFG THE CHEESE!
Asia - no cheese, lol
As a non traveller I am genuinely surprised. I had a sense cheese would not be a big thing in tropical regions, but assumed it would be excellent in pretty much every region.
Great cheese basically doesn’t exist outside Western Europe, it is genuinely odd the more you think about it, given that humans love cheese (see the global popularity of cheesy pizzas, cheeseburgers etc)
Europe did and does have a unique combo of culture, settlement, affluence, climate, cow pastures and even caves but still - only Western Europe??
I am fairly sure I can spin my cheese epiphany into am entire Gazette article on the Greatness of Western Europe
Can I shock you? Except for on a pizza, I have never knowingly eaten cheese... and I even used to order pizza's without it
Next you will be telling us you have never heard a Radiohead song or watched Die Hard.
I've never watched Die Hard, but I like a few Radiohead songs
If we can get back ON TOPIC, it still amazes me that only western Europe makes great cheese
Yes, this is true. I was having a chat tonight with a cheese-expert friend and we decided on THE TOP TEN world cheeses, and they are all European. Cheeses that are iconic, unique and at their best delicious
Here is our top 10 list (the order is random but by nation:
Those are the ten great cheeses of the world, all western (or southern) Europe. We did have a heated debate about replacing Gruyère with Comte but we decided it was too annoying to give France FOUR cheeses and therefore let them win the world cheese cup, also Gruyère is yummy
I would rate Appenzeller ahead of Gruyère and Beaufort ahead of Comté while being similar cheeses. Less well known and available of course.
I would like to nominate Norwegian Brunost as the worst.
The greatest cheese of all is a really excellent Brie de Meux. Epoisses is second.
There has been a little bit of a cheese renaissance in the US in recent years: just as craft beer started 20 years ago, craft cheese is begining to make a decent impact here. It's outrageously expensive, but stuff like Prarie Breeze is among the better hard cheeses I've had.
I woud rate Comte ahead of Gruyere for Swiss cheeses, and I also think there a couple of Spanish cheeses that are definitely top 15, and might sneak into the top 10 on a good day.
I would put Langres ahead of brie de meux by quite a ways. And Picos Blue is my favourite on that side of the table. Though there is an Italian(?) blue that is soaked in boozy grapes which is sensational - the name escapes me though. I just know to point at it open-eyed...
North America - Wisconsin makes OK Brie, otherwise no cheese, lol
Australasia - no cheese except some nice goat stuff in Victoria, but really - no cheese, lol
Africa - no cheese, lol
Eastern Europe - no cheese, lol
Western Europe - OMFG THE CHEESE!
Asia - no cheese, lol
As a non traveller I am genuinely surprised. I had a sense cheese would not be a big thing in tropical regions, but assumed it would be excellent in pretty much every region.
Great cheese basically doesn’t exist outside Western Europe, it is genuinely odd the more you think about it, given that humans love cheese (see the global popularity of cheesy pizzas, cheeseburgers etc)
Europe did and does have a unique combo of culture, settlement, affluence, climate, cow pastures and even caves but still - only Western Europe??
I am fairly sure I can spin my cheese epiphany into am entire Gazette article on the Greatness of Western Europe
Can I shock you? Except for on a pizza, I have never knowingly eaten cheese... and I even used to order pizza's without it
Next you will be telling us you have never heard a Radiohead song or watched Die Hard.
I've never watched Die Hard, but I like a few Radiohead songs
I suspect US craft cheese will become, in time, like US craft beer - the equal of anywhere in the world.
They have enough high end agriculture alongside the crap, and enough interested wealthy people.
I have a very faint memory of an interview with Motorhead's Lemmy expressing a deep exasperation with cheese in the USA and considering setting up his own import business.
North America - Wisconsin makes OK Brie, otherwise no cheese, lol
Australasia - no cheese except some nice goat stuff in Victoria, but really - no cheese, lol
Africa - no cheese, lol
Eastern Europe - no cheese, lol
Western Europe - OMFG THE CHEESE!
Asia - no cheese, lol
As a non traveller I am genuinely surprised. I had a sense cheese would not be a big thing in tropical regions, but assumed it would be excellent in pretty much every region.
Great cheese basically doesn’t exist outside Western Europe, it is genuinely odd the more you think about it, given that humans love cheese (see the global popularity of cheesy pizzas, cheeseburgers etc)
Europe did and does have a unique combo of culture, settlement, affluence, climate, cow pastures and even caves but still - only Western Europe??
I am fairly sure I can spin my cheese epiphany into am entire Gazette article on the Greatness of Western Europe
There used to be a fabulous cheese which I found when living in London . It was Brie with mushrooms , it almost a bit more like Camembert. Absolutely divine , there’s also a variety of Gouda nothing like what you get in supermarkets in the UK . It was a very mature hard as a brick very dark orange with a black skin. You really needed to grate it but it was delicious melted .
That's Old Amsterdam Reserve. Mass produced, but pretty good.
North America - Wisconsin makes OK Brie, otherwise no cheese, lol
Australasia - no cheese except some nice goat stuff in Victoria, but really - no cheese, lol
Africa - no cheese, lol
Eastern Europe - no cheese, lol
Western Europe - OMFG THE CHEESE!
Asia - no cheese, lol
As a non traveller I am genuinely surprised. I had a sense cheese would not be a big thing in tropical regions, but assumed it would be excellent in pretty much every region.
Great cheese basically doesn’t exist outside Western Europe, it is genuinely odd the more you think about it, given that humans love cheese (see the global popularity of cheesy pizzas, cheeseburgers etc)
Europe did and does have a unique combo of culture, settlement, affluence, climate, cow pastures and even caves but still - only Western Europe??
I am fairly sure I can spin my cheese epiphany into am entire Gazette article on the Greatness of Western Europe
Kaltbach Creamy (Creamy, dense, bouncy Swiss hard cheese)
Shropshire Blue (Joyously dyed yellow cousin of Stilton, smoother and less crumbly, oddly invented by an Aberdonian)
Ossau Iraty (Basque sheep's milk hard cheese. Lovely flavour, great for dairy lactose avoiders who miss real cheese)
Applewood smoked cheddar (Most will have had this in some form. It's not really smoked - some are but it results in uneven smokiness. Smoke flavour is added. But it is rich and delicious - better than that sausagy German child's smoked cheese)
Strathdon Blue (Scottish Highlands soft blue - a real full flavoured richly blue cheese, salty maritime flavours, yum)
The only one of those I haven’t tried is Kaltbach. I’ll keep an eye out for it. Strathdon blue is particularly good.
English, and I’m careful about national descriptions, cheese took a while to get over Wartime Rationed Mousetrap.
He is now suggesting that Putin might be in possession of some sort of 'material', re; 'footage of Donald Trump in Russian hotel rooms', something of an 'underage' nature
OB shouldn't be allowed to say this ^ on National radio
It doesn't seem an entirely unreasonable suggestion. It's eminently possible he's been compromised given his bizarre behaviour, and given his past sexual history (including what he said about his own fourteen year old daughter) the idea of paedophilia is hardly a stretch.
Fatherly pride, surely. Look, we know the KGB tries to recruit everyone before they reach the top, including at least two British prime ministers, so no doubt Trump was a target. Almost everything in the Steele dossier turned out to be true so probably so was the bed story. With Trump though we should also remember the financial angle so maybe oligarch investment to Trump's business interests was a factor.
ETA the promised release of the Epstein files has been delayed so maybe there is something in there but I doubt the Russians have it.
I suspect US craft cheese will become, in time, like US craft beer - the equal of anywhere in the world.
They have enough high end agriculture alongside the crap, and enough interested wealthy people.
I see Prarie Breeze gets on the list: a rightful inclusion, it is utterly delicious and the equal of pretty much any British cheddar. (It is a little more crumbly, though, which gives it a texture that is two thirds cheddar, with the a little bit of wenslydale.)
Kaltbach Creamy (Creamy, dense, bouncy Swiss hard cheese)
Shropshire Blue (Joyously dyed yellow cousin of Stilton, smoother and less crumbly, oddly invented by an Aberdonian)
Ossau Iraty (Basque sheep's milk hard cheese. Lovely flavour, great for dairy lactose avoiders who miss real cheese)
Applewood smoked cheddar (Most will have had this in some form. It's not really smoked - some are but it results in uneven smokiness. Smoke flavour is added. But it is rich and delicious - better than that sausagy German child's smoked cheese)
Strathdon Blue (Scottish Highlands soft blue - a real full flavoured richly blue cheese, salty maritime flavours, yum)
I agree re Shropshire Blue: it can be very nice. I'm not quite as convinced by the inclusion of Applewood Smoked on your list.
The greatest cheese of all is a really excellent Brie de Meux. Epoisses is second.
There has been a little bit of a cheese renaissance in the US in recent years: just as craft beer started 20 years ago, craft cheese is begining to make a decent impact here. It's outrageously expensive, but stuff like Prarie Breeze is among the better hard cheeses I've had.
I woud rate Comte ahead of Gruyere for Swiss cheeses, and I also think there a couple of Spanish cheeses that are definitely top 15, and might sneak into the top 10 on a good day.
I would put Langres ahead of brie de meux by quite a ways. And Picos Blue is my favourite on that side of the table. Though there is an Italian(?) blue that is soaked in boozy grapes which is sensational - the name escapes me though. I just know to point at it open-eyed...
Kaltbach Creamy (Creamy, dense, bouncy Swiss hard cheese)
Shropshire Blue (Joyously dyed yellow cousin of Stilton, smoother and less crumbly, oddly invented by an Aberdonian)
Ossau Iraty (Basque sheep's milk hard cheese. Lovely flavour, great for dairy lactose avoiders who miss real cheese)
Applewood smoked cheddar (Most will have had this in some form. It's not really smoked - some are but it results in uneven smokiness. Smoke flavour is added. But it is rich and delicious - better than that sausagy German child's smoked cheese)
Strathdon Blue (Scottish Highlands soft blue - a real full flavoured richly blue cheese, salty maritime flavours, yum)
The only one of those I haven’t tried is Kaltbach. I’ll keep an eye out for it. Strathdon blue is particularly good.
You can get two kinds of Kaltbach in Waitrose. The cheaper one is better. It has a massive fat content, which is probably why it tastes so good. Agree with all @Luckyguy1983's recommendations.
He is now suggesting that Putin might be in possession of some sort of 'material', re; 'footage of Donald Trump in Russian hotel rooms', something of an 'underage' nature
OB shouldn't be allowed to say this ^ on National radio
Definitely offbeam, Trump was an associate of Epstein, has boasted about wandering through the changing room of teen beauty contests and tried to appoint someone accused of trafficking a minor for sex. Neither he nor the people who vote for him would care if Putin had footage of him sexually assaulting children. If Putin has something on him it's financial.
Kaltbach Creamy (Creamy, dense, bouncy Swiss hard cheese)
Shropshire Blue (Joyously dyed yellow cousin of Stilton, smoother and less crumbly, oddly invented by an Aberdonian)
Ossau Iraty (Basque sheep's milk hard cheese. Lovely flavour, great for dairy lactose avoiders who miss real cheese)
Applewood smoked cheddar (Most will have had this in some form. It's not really smoked - some are but it results in uneven smokiness. Smoke flavour is added. But it is rich and delicious - better than that sausagy German child's smoked cheese)
Strathdon Blue (Scottish Highlands soft blue - a real full flavoured richly blue cheese, salty maritime flavours, yum)
I agree re Shropshire Blue: it can be very nice. I'm not quite as convinced by the inclusion of Applewood Smoked on your list.
Strathdon Blue is very good.
The crack cocaine of cheeses is Brillat-Saverin au truffes....
Kaltbach Creamy (Creamy, dense, bouncy Swiss hard cheese)
Shropshire Blue (Joyously dyed yellow cousin of Stilton, smoother and less crumbly, oddly invented by an Aberdonian)
Ossau Iraty (Basque sheep's milk hard cheese. Lovely flavour, great for dairy lactose avoiders who miss real cheese)
Applewood smoked cheddar (Most will have had this in some form. It's not really smoked - some are but it results in uneven smokiness. Smoke flavour is added. But it is rich and delicious - better than that sausagy German child's smoked cheese)
Strathdon Blue (Scottish Highlands soft blue - a real full flavoured richly blue cheese, salty maritime flavours, yum)
I agree re Shropshire Blue: it can be very nice. I'm not quite as convinced by the inclusion of Applewood Smoked on your list.
Strathdon Blue is very good.
The crack cocaine of cheeses is Brillat-Saverin au truffes....
Kaltbach Creamy (Creamy, dense, bouncy Swiss hard cheese)
Shropshire Blue (Joyously dyed yellow cousin of Stilton, smoother and less crumbly, oddly invented by an Aberdonian)
Ossau Iraty (Basque sheep's milk hard cheese. Lovely flavour, great for dairy lactose avoiders who miss real cheese)
Applewood smoked cheddar (Most will have had this in some form. It's not really smoked - some are but it results in uneven smokiness. Smoke flavour is added. But it is rich and delicious - better than that sausagy German child's smoked cheese)
Strathdon Blue (Scottish Highlands soft blue - a real full flavoured richly blue cheese, salty maritime flavours, yum)
I agree re Shropshire Blue: it can be very nice. I'm not quite as convinced by the inclusion of Applewood Smoked on your list.
There are many versions, but the Scottish one in red wax is really good. Goes particularly well with neat Scotch. The cheeses listed above are all killer accessible crowd-pleasers, not connoisseurs cheeses (though some are that too).
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And I don't recall ever having Epoisses so noted for another day.
In terms of the rest of the world, I did find some decent cheese in Brazil, in Minas Gerais, which is their cheese-producing region. I didn't have enough to pick out anything in particular and I'm sure there's no top 10 contender but some is certainly passable. As I was disparaging about Brazilian food in general I thought I'd give a little credit.
It wasn’t a thread hijack, it was a merciful intervention
Rosie Duffield so hated Sir Keir she stood as a Labour candidate AGAIN in July.
She is a fraud. Get rid.
Personally, I think the Liberals represent a great 20%+ tax-free return in less than 6 days.
But DYOR, and I don't mean on cheese.
* Judd of that ilk
Mascarpone.
It is a fixed date in the firmament - in this case 23 April, and for all secular purposes that's fine. 25 March is still quarter day and so on.
But church service wise it is moveable because you can't keep it religiously on certain days pre and post Easter - because it gets trumped by the season.
Don't tell the Scots but in the Church of England you cannot ever keep St Andrew (30 November) on a Sunday, because it would always be Advent Sunday, which trumps St Andrew, and all Scotland.
Gorgonzilla.
Have none of you had paneer cheese??
There has been a little bit of a cheese renaissance in the US in recent years: just as craft beer started 20 years ago, craft cheese is begining to make a decent impact here. It's outrageously expensive, but stuff like Prarie Breeze is among the better hard cheeses I've had.
I woud rate Comte ahead of Gruyere for Swiss cheeses, and I also think there a couple of Spanish cheeses that are definitely top 15, and might sneak into the top 10 on a good day.
Happy St George's Day!
One day, the police raided the place and carted him and his biltong off. Someone had seen it and assumed drugs. It took a while for them to release him. Not sure if he got the beef back…
Paneer is bland, and tasteless. A bit like firm Tofu. But has a better texture.
Montagnolo or Cambozola (they are pretty much the same cheese) is pleasant but a bit paddling in the shallows. Nothing wrong with that, not asking you to try that Sardinian one where the maggots jump in your eye, but there are just tastier cheeses out there waiting.
Definitely similar to firm tofu. Great when roasted after being tossed in oil, cornflour and soy sauce. In its own not up,to much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-uEx_hEXAM
Kaltbach Creamy (Creamy, dense, bouncy Swiss hard cheese)
Shropshire Blue (Joyously dyed yellow cousin of Stilton, smoother and less crumbly, oddly invented by an Aberdonian)
Ossau Iraty (Basque sheep's milk hard cheese. Lovely flavour, great for dairy lactose avoiders who miss real cheese)
Applewood smoked cheddar (Most will have had this in some form. It's not really smoked - some are but it results in uneven smokiness. Smoke flavour is added. But it is rich and delicious - better than that sausagy German child's smoked cheese)
Strathdon Blue (Scottish Highlands soft blue - a real full flavoured richly blue cheese, salty maritime flavours, yum)
James O'Brien is getting out of hand
He is now suggesting that Putin might be in possession of some sort of 'material', re; 'footage of Donald Trump in Russian hotel rooms', something of an 'underage' nature
OB shouldn't be allowed to say this ^ on National radio
#OBINGO @LBC
https://x.com/angrybritishmum/status/1914976910498480171?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
Keir has the tiniest balls
https://www.standrewscheese.co.uk/product/st-andrews-farmhouse-cheddar/
Worth recalling in their prime and pomp: Thatcher, Blair, Hague and very occasionally deputising, IIRC, Angela Eagle who was very funny.
Instead of simply asking a question, she goes off on a meandering, multi-clause introduction encompassing many unrelated subjects and then tacks a question on the end. This allows Starmer to pick the easiest part of her question to answer, ignoring the rest.
Kemi mentioned Labour plots on Whatsapp which meant Starmer could pivot to Tory Whatsapp plotters and thence to Jenrick and Farage.
He couldn't exactly say "I used to think it was fine for a woman to have an old boy, but now I don't". Better to say "talking of enormous todgers has anyone seen Farage and Honest Bob?"
Given the assumptions being made about *all* trans women in the previous thread on the basis of one or two outliers, I assume we can make the same assumptions about all terfy types funded by terfy organisations?
What a beautiful day for schadenfreude.
And then he took a team down to John Lewis to photograph him pointing at wallpaper
He does neither act well, and they really don't gel
Edit - damn, I'm good.
It's funny because I read it on my way back from work drinks that involved an unusually heated debate on geopolitics. Fortunately, I could switch off on my way home by reading a politics blog discussing the relative merits of different cheeses.
https://www.specialityfoodmagazine.com/food-and-drink/the-best-american-cheeses
I suspect US craft cheese will become, in time, like US craft beer - the equal of anywhere in the world.
They have enough high end agriculture alongside the crap, and enough interested wealthy people.
Naughty, naughty, very naughty.
Next we'll have somebody saying they don't rate Deltics.
He was also quite likely high as a kite.
(I’ll get my coat)
And yes, some continentals can do crisps:
ETA the promised release of the Epstein files has been delayed so maybe there is something in there but I doubt the Russians have it.
Now I want some. Dammit.
https://open.substack.com/pub/robertsmithson1/p/how-not-to-stimulate-manufacturing?r=2a9ngu&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true
https://www.fenfarmdairy.co.uk/baron-bigod/
I'm really looking forward to Pyrenees cheese
If Putin has something on him it's financial.
The crack cocaine of cheeses is Brillat-Saverin au truffes....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYGG55qwQZQ
I also love Red Fox vintage red Leicester.
Not sure how we would have coped with the Vietnam peace negotiations.