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5 months ago the Conservatives were the 1/10 favourites to win the Canadian election

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5 months ago the Conservatives were the 1/10 favourites to win the Canadian election – politicalbetting.com

Our first MRP of the 2025 Canadian election projects a 21-seat majority for the Liberals (based on our central projection)Liberals: 182 seats (+25 notional change vs 2021)Conservatives: 133 (+7)NDP: 4 (-20)Bloc Québécois: 23 (-11)Greens: 1 (-1)People's: 0 (=)today.yougov.com/politics/art…

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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,468
    Miliband poised to charge homes in South more for electricity

    The Energy Secretary has been weighing up whether to push ahead with zonal pricing, which would split the country’s single national power market into different regions

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/23/miliband-set-to-back-switch-to-regional-electricity-pricing/
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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,817
    How many PBers live in the Ed Zone?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,256

    Miliband poised to charge homes in South more for electricity

    The Energy Secretary has been weighing up whether to push ahead with zonal pricing, which would split the country’s single national power market into different regions

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/23/miliband-set-to-back-switch-to-regional-electricity-pricing/
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    Bloody hell, that was quick! Where's the "off-topic" button gone?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,536

    Miliband poised to charge homes in South more for electricity

    The Energy Secretary has been weighing up whether to push ahead with zonal pricing, which would split the country’s single national power market into different regions

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/23/miliband-set-to-back-switch-to-regional-electricity-pricing/
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    National Grid. The clue is in the name.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,442
    What no trans angle?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,352

    Miliband poised to charge homes in South more for electricity

    The Energy Secretary has been weighing up whether to push ahead with zonal pricing, which would split the country’s single national power market into different regions

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/23/miliband-set-to-back-switch-to-regional-electricity-pricing/
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    Bloody hell, that was quick! Where's the "off-topic" button gone?
    South of Canada.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,222
    "This year, an analysis by consultants at FTI found that a regional pricing system would save more than £3.7bn a year."

    The shown map bears no relation to that (potential) reality, it shows a £5-10/MW hr cost increase or so averaged nationally, not a saving compared to the counterfactual
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,256
    Roger said:

    What no trans angle?

    You are only half a dozen posts in. Give it a chance.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,502

    Miliband poised to charge homes in South more for electricity

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/23/miliband-set-to-back-switch-to-regional-electricity-pricing/
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    Miliband poised to charge homes in MAINLY CONSERVATIVE AND LIB-DEM SUPPORTING AREAS more for electricity.

    FTFU.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,442
    Trumps Sadim touch
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,806
    Fishing said:

    Miliband poised to charge homes in South more for electricity

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/23/miliband-set-to-back-switch-to-regional-electricity-pricing/
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    Miliband poised to charge homes in MAINLY CONSERVATIVE AND LIB-DEM SUPPORTING AREAS more for electricity.

    FTFU.
    He is successfully destroying Net Zero. The man deserves a medal. I hope big oil is paying him handsomely.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,283
    Trump shat the bed. PP would have won without his bullshit.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,256

    Trump shat the bed. PP would have won without his bullshit.

    Bollocks. Trump was wearing TRUMP DIAPERS!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,793

    Miliband poised to charge homes in South more for electricity

    The Energy Secretary has been weighing up whether to push ahead with zonal pricing, which would split the country’s single national power market into different regions

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/23/miliband-set-to-back-switch-to-regional-electricity-pricing/
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    That's his job, isn't it, to weigh up such things?
  • prh47bridgeprh47bridge Posts: 475
    FPT - My apologies. I can see I made a crucial typo in one of my posts. I said, "you are 18 times more likely to be assaulted by a trans woman than by a man". That should have said, "you are 18 times more likely to be assaulted by a trans woman than a woman". There is no difference in rates of violent offending between men and trans women. Both are far more likely to commit violent crimes than women.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,222

    Fishing said:

    Miliband poised to charge homes in South more for electricity

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/23/miliband-set-to-back-switch-to-regional-electricity-pricing/
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    Miliband poised to charge homes in MAINLY CONSERVATIVE AND LIB-DEM SUPPORTING AREAS more for electricity.

    FTFU.
    He is successfully destroying Net Zero. The man deserves a medal. I hope big oil is paying him handsomely.
    Is the map accurate though ?

    Regional pricing should give an overall saving (I think !) and there's not enough people living in the north of Scotland to outweigh the increased charges elsewhere
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,983
    Fishing said:

    Miliband poised to charge homes in South more for electricity

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/23/miliband-set-to-back-switch-to-regional-electricity-pricing/
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    Miliband poised to charge homes in MAINLY CONSERVATIVE AND LIB-DEM SUPPORTING AREAS more for electricity.

    FTFU.
    A NIMBY tax? Love it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,013
    The Canadian Conservatives are still projected to gain seats just not as many as the Liberals are. The main losers are the leftwing NDP. Though yes it does like like post Trump and his tariffs the Canadian Liberals and Australian Labor may win most seats in elections they were previously projected to lose.

    Ukraine of course has not accepted the US peace plan anyway
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,744

    FPT - My apologies. I can see I made a crucial typo in one of my posts. I said, "you are 18 times more likely to be assaulted by a trans woman than by a man". That should have said, "you are 18 times more likely to be assaulted by a trans woman than a woman". There is no difference in rates of violent offending between men and trans women. Both are far more likely to commit violent crimes than women.

    Yes, but how do you DEFINE a trans woman? Or indeed a “man”?


    *innocent face*
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,256
    Leon said:

    FPT - My apologies. I can see I made a crucial typo in one of my posts. I said, "you are 18 times more likely to be assaulted by a trans woman than by a man". That should have said, "you are 18 times more likely to be assaulted by a trans woman than a woman". There is no difference in rates of violent offending between men and trans women. Both are far more likely to commit violent crimes than women.

    Yes, but how do you DEFINE a trans woman? Or indeed a “man”?


    *innocent face*
    But did the phenomenon start in a lab or a wet market?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,087
    tlg86 said:

    Miliband poised to charge homes in South more for electricity

    The Energy Secretary has been weighing up whether to push ahead with zonal pricing, which would split the country’s single national power market into different regions

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/23/miliband-set-to-back-switch-to-regional-electricity-pricing/
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    National Grid. The clue is in the name.
    Like NHS , at present we produce all the cheap energy which goes to London and comes back at multiple times the price. Suck it up. Southern subsidy junkies
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,256
    HYUFD said:

    The Canadian Conservatives are still projected to gain seats just not as many as the Liberals are. The main losers are the leftwing NDP. Though yes it does like like post Trump and his tariffs the Canadian Liberals and Australian Labor may win most seats in elections they were previously projected to lose.

    Ukraine of course has not accepted the US peace plan anyway

    It's not really a peace plan HY. More a capitulation.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,668
    malcolmg said:

    tlg86 said:

    Miliband poised to charge homes in South more for electricity

    The Energy Secretary has been weighing up whether to push ahead with zonal pricing, which would split the country’s single national power market into different regions

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/23/miliband-set-to-back-switch-to-regional-electricity-pricing/
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    National Grid. The clue is in the name.
    Like NHS , at present we produce all the cheap energy which goes to London and comes back at multiple times the price. Suck it up. Southern subsidy junkies
    How is this like the NHS? There is now a separate NHS England and NHS Scotland.

    And https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5c3c688d40f0b67c62695b27/Regional_Electricity_Generation_and_Supply.pdf says Scotland produces 14% of the UK’s electricity (2017 figures), including 52% of renewables.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,668
    West Lothian woman carried out shocking campaign of abuse against four children

    https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/west-lothian-domestic-abuse-activist-31284429
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,539
    edited 3:09PM
    Interesting how the border areas of Canada - the ones that are going to get invaded by Trump - are still voting Conservative.

    Damned crypto-yankees...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,222
    edited 3:11PM
    Eabhal said:

    FPT

    malcolmg said:

    Miliband poised to charge homes in South more for electricity

    The Energy Secretary has been weighing up whether to push ahead with zonal pricing, which would split the country’s single national power market into different regions

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/23/miliband-set-to-back-switch-to-regional-electricity-pricing/

    yaba daba doo ours should plummet if honesty prevails, but I will not hold my breath.
    Yep, Scotland should be significantly cheaper. I guess they would go for a diluted version though, rather than a price that actually reflects transmission costs.

    It's difficult to see any downsides. Regional pricing does two things - it reduces transmission costs by incentivising consumption closer to generation, and stimulates generation YIMBYism.

    While England banned onshore wind for 9 years, Scotland ploughed on regardless. Why shouldn't people in Scotland, who have embraced new power generation, not benefit? And given so much English generation is near some of the poorest areas, like Teesside, I'd hope you will get some economic levelling up as a result of this cheap energy.
    The map just doesn't look right to me, averaged out it's definitely an increase to the counterfactual bit in the article it says about overall savings ?!

    Below it is Greg Jackson's (Octopus man) article "Recommended" which is also somewhat at odds with Matt Oliver's piece and particularly his map.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,207
    New YouGov/Economist poll out this morning finds Trump is no longer popular on immigration. This was the last issue he had a positive net approval on.

    https://bsky.app/profile/gelliottmorris.com/post/3lnifsdxoyc2x
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,256

    Israel deletes Pope Francis condolence tweet

    Diplomats ordered to delete similar messages amid backdrop of scepticism towards the late pontiff caused by his support for Gaza


    Israel deleted a social media post expressing sorrow for the death of Pope Francis.

    A message on the country’s verified X account that read “Rest in Peace, Pope Francis. May his memory be a blessing” was taken down hours after it was posted on Monday.

    Israeli diplomatic missions around the world were ordered to delete any similar messages and not to sign condolence books in Vatican embassies, Hebrew media reported.

    Isaac Herzog, Israel’s president, posted a message of condolence, but Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, has been silent.

    On a visit to the Latin Patriarchate, the central Catholic Church in Jerusalem, opposition MP Gilad Kariv said: “I’m ashamed by the fact that the Israeli government and the Israeli Knesset did not release an official message of condolences. I’m here in order to express my condolences on behalf of the vast majority of Israeli citizens.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/04/23/israel-deletes-pope-francis-condolence-tweet/

    Bibi really is a ****! #

    # that word that warrants a ban
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,798

    West Lothian woman carried out shocking campaign of abuse against four children

    https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/west-lothian-domestic-abuse-activist-31284429

    At the risk of picking up on the sixth most important point in the article, I don't understand how she is headlined as a West Lothian woman. The article says she is from Stanley in Perthshire.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,222

    Interesting how the border areas of Canada - the ones that are going to get invaded by Trump - are still voting Conservative.

    Damned crypto-yankees...

    By eye it looks like the Conservatives have more seats - the Liberals must have some very teeny tiny seats by area in the big cities I guess.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,136
    Pulpstar said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT

    malcolmg said:

    Miliband poised to charge homes in South more for electricity

    The Energy Secretary has been weighing up whether to push ahead with zonal pricing, which would split the country’s single national power market into different regions

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/23/miliband-set-to-back-switch-to-regional-electricity-pricing/

    yaba daba doo ours should plummet if honesty prevails, but I will not hold my breath.
    Yep, Scotland should be significantly cheaper. I guess they would go for a diluted version though, rather than a price that actually reflects transmission costs.

    It's difficult to see any downsides. Regional pricing does two things - it reduces transmission costs by incentivising consumption closer to generation, and stimulates generation YIMBYism.

    While England banned onshore wind for 9 years, Scotland ploughed on regardless. Why shouldn't people in Scotland, who have embraced new power generation, not benefit? And given so much English generation is near some of the poorest areas, like Teesside, I'd hope you will get some economic levelling up as a result of this cheap energy.
    The map just doesn't look right to me, averaged out it's definitely an increase to the counterfactual bit in the article it says about overall savings ?!

    Below it is Greg Jackson's (Octopus man) article "Recommended" which is also somewhat at odds with Matt Oliver's piece and particularly his map.
    I can't see where the Telegraph have got that map. It's not in the FTI report they quote from.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,806
    edited 3:17PM
    malcolmg said:

    tlg86 said:

    Miliband poised to charge homes in South more for electricity

    The Energy Secretary has been weighing up whether to push ahead with zonal pricing, which would split the country’s single national power market into different regions

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/23/miliband-set-to-back-switch-to-regional-electricity-pricing/
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    National Grid. The clue is in the name.
    Like NHS , at present we produce all the cheap energy which goes to London and comes back at multiple times the price. Suck it up. Southern subsidy junkies
    Bollocks. Wind farms in Scotland are coining it from constraint payments that the whole country (including Scotland) pays through green levies on electricity bills. Scotland's green energy revolution is a complete scam.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,136
    edited 3:23PM

    malcolmg said:

    tlg86 said:

    Miliband poised to charge homes in South more for electricity

    The Energy Secretary has been weighing up whether to push ahead with zonal pricing, which would split the country’s single national power market into different regions

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/23/miliband-set-to-back-switch-to-regional-electricity-pricing/
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    National Grid. The clue is in the name.
    Like NHS , at present we produce all the cheap energy which goes to London and comes back at multiple times the price. Suck it up. Southern subsidy junkies
    Bollocks. Wind farms in Scotland are coining it from constraint payments that the whole country (including Scotland) pays through green levies on electricity bills. Scotland's green energy revolution is a complete scam.
    A grain of truth there - if we do get regional pricing then solar/wind becomes relatively less attractive in Scotland, given our already abundant power.

    There is a reason everyone in the Highlands is putting in heatpumps and solar - it's because they are paying a UK average price despite (literally) living underneath enormous turbines. If those costs are transferred to where they belong, you'll see the solar bonanza transfer to the south-east of England, which is a heck of a lot sunnier than the west coast of Scotland.

    The more I consider this policy the better it becomes.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,793
    Foxy said:

    New YouGov/Economist poll out this morning finds Trump is no longer popular on immigration. This was the last issue he had a positive net approval on.

    https://bsky.app/profile/gelliottmorris.com/post/3lnifsdxoyc2x

    If only the voters had been a bit more on the ball *before* the election.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,211
    Eabhal said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT

    malcolmg said:

    Miliband poised to charge homes in South more for electricity

    The Energy Secretary has been weighing up whether to push ahead with zonal pricing, which would split the country’s single national power market into different regions

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/23/miliband-set-to-back-switch-to-regional-electricity-pricing/

    yaba daba doo ours should plummet if honesty prevails, but I will not hold my breath.
    Yep, Scotland should be significantly cheaper. I guess they would go for a diluted version though, rather than a price that actually reflects transmission costs.

    It's difficult to see any downsides. Regional pricing does two things - it reduces transmission costs by incentivising consumption closer to generation, and stimulates generation YIMBYism.

    While England banned onshore wind for 9 years, Scotland ploughed on regardless. Why shouldn't people in Scotland, who have embraced new power generation, not benefit? And given so much English generation is near some of the poorest areas, like Teesside, I'd hope you will get some economic levelling up as a result of this cheap energy.
    The map just doesn't look right to me, averaged out it's definitely an increase to the counterfactual bit in the article it says about overall savings ?!

    Below it is Greg Jackson's (Octopus man) article "Recommended" which is also somewhat at odds with Matt Oliver's piece and particularly his map.
    I can't see where the Telegraph have got that map. It's not in the FTI report they quote from.
    Think it's from here

    https://www.lcp.com/en/insights/publications/zonal-pricing-in-great-britain

    "Zonal pricing in Great Britain – Impact on wholesale prices, SSE"

    https://insights.lcp.com/rs/032-PAO-331/images/LCP-Delta-Zonal-Pricing-in-Great-Britain-Differences-in-regional-wholesale-electricity-prices-2025.pdf
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,605

    FPT - My apologies. I can see I made a crucial typo in one of my posts. I said, "you are 18 times more likely to be assaulted by a trans woman than by a man". That should have said, "you are 18 times more likely to be assaulted by a trans woman than a woman". There is no difference in rates of violent offending between men and trans women. Both are far more likely to commit violent crimes than women.

    NB. Thanks for the link to the paper. It’s a shame they don’t break down the pre/post-1989 figures for the gender split in crime rates, as the other metrics they quote apparently showed a very clear split between pre- & post- 1989 cohorts.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,145

    West Lothian woman carried out shocking campaign of abuse against four children

    https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/west-lothian-domestic-abuse-activist-31284429

    TERF or TRA – how can we judge any woman without knowing?

    Blimey. On reading the link, she is a campaigner against domestic abuse, in which cause she set up a charity.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,222
    edited 3:39PM
    CatMan said:

    Eabhal said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT

    malcolmg said:

    Miliband poised to charge homes in South more for electricity

    The Energy Secretary has been weighing up whether to push ahead with zonal pricing, which would split the country’s single national power market into different regions

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/23/miliband-set-to-back-switch-to-regional-electricity-pricing/

    yaba daba doo ours should plummet if honesty prevails, but I will not hold my breath.
    Yep, Scotland should be significantly cheaper. I guess they would go for a diluted version though, rather than a price that actually reflects transmission costs.

    It's difficult to see any downsides. Regional pricing does two things - it reduces transmission costs by incentivising consumption closer to generation, and stimulates generation YIMBYism.

    While England banned onshore wind for 9 years, Scotland ploughed on regardless. Why shouldn't people in Scotland, who have embraced new power generation, not benefit? And given so much English generation is near some of the poorest areas, like Teesside, I'd hope you will get some economic levelling up as a result of this cheap energy.
    The map just doesn't look right to me, averaged out it's definitely an increase to the counterfactual bit in the article it says about overall savings ?!

    Below it is Greg Jackson's (Octopus man) article "Recommended" which is also somewhat at odds with Matt Oliver's piece and particularly his map.
    I can't see where the Telegraph have got that map. It's not in the FTI report they quote from.
    Think it's from here

    https://www.lcp.com/en/insights/publications/zonal-pricing-in-great-britain

    "Zonal pricing in Great Britain – Impact on wholesale prices, SSE"

    https://insights.lcp.com/rs/032-PAO-331/images/LCP-Delta-Zonal-Pricing-in-Great-Britain-Differences-in-regional-wholesale-electricity-prices-2025.pdf
    Here's FTI's take

    https://www.fticonsulting.com/uk/insights/videos-and-podcasts/assessment-locational-wholesale-electricity-market-design-options

    Two sets of consultants with completely differing opinions looks like to me. Pause the video at 5 minutes in.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,145
    Foxy said:

    New YouGov/Economist poll out this morning finds Trump is no longer popular on immigration. This was the last issue he had a positive net approval on.

    https://bsky.app/profile/gelliottmorris.com/post/3lnifsdxoyc2x

    We did note the other day that even MAGA-aligned types like Joe Rogan had spoken against the arbitrary nature of Trump's deportations, and bypassing due process.

    How this poll relates to Frank Luntz's finding that it is independents rather than true believers abandoning The Donald might be interesting.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,686
    Pulpstar said:

    CatMan said:

    Eabhal said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT

    malcolmg said:

    Miliband poised to charge homes in South more for electricity

    The Energy Secretary has been weighing up whether to push ahead with zonal pricing, which would split the country’s single national power market into different regions

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/23/miliband-set-to-back-switch-to-regional-electricity-pricing/

    yaba daba doo ours should plummet if honesty prevails, but I will not hold my breath.
    Yep, Scotland should be significantly cheaper. I guess they would go for a diluted version though, rather than a price that actually reflects transmission costs.

    It's difficult to see any downsides. Regional pricing does two things - it reduces transmission costs by incentivising consumption closer to generation, and stimulates generation YIMBYism.

    While England banned onshore wind for 9 years, Scotland ploughed on regardless. Why shouldn't people in Scotland, who have embraced new power generation, not benefit? And given so much English generation is near some of the poorest areas, like Teesside, I'd hope you will get some economic levelling up as a result of this cheap energy.
    The map just doesn't look right to me, averaged out it's definitely an increase to the counterfactual bit in the article it says about overall savings ?!

    Below it is Greg Jackson's (Octopus man) article "Recommended" which is also somewhat at odds with Matt Oliver's piece and particularly his map.
    I can't see where the Telegraph have got that map. It's not in the FTI report they quote from.
    Think it's from here

    https://www.lcp.com/en/insights/publications/zonal-pricing-in-great-britain

    "Zonal pricing in Great Britain – Impact on wholesale prices, SSE"

    https://insights.lcp.com/rs/032-PAO-331/images/LCP-Delta-Zonal-Pricing-in-Great-Britain-Differences-in-regional-wholesale-electricity-prices-2025.pdf
    Here's FTI's take

    https://www.fticonsulting.com/uk/insights/videos-and-podcasts/assessment-locational-wholesale-electricity-market-design-options

    Two sets of consultants with completely differing opinions looks like to me.
    The whole point about zonal pricing is that it enables the introduction of strong incentives to consume electricity close to where it is produced. The existing grid doesn't have the capacity to distribute large amounts of excess power anywhere in the UK (and won't for quite some time).

    That would enable industrial consumption of what's effectively zero marginal cost electricity (which currently causes @Luckyguy1983 conniptions over contention payments).
    Calculating the economic benefit of that obviously depends upon a large set of assumptions, which is why it's possible to arrive to wildly different figures.

    I would imagine that SSE are not exactly disinterested, when it comes to choosing how to weight those assumptions.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,502
    edited 3:50PM
    Eabhal said:

    FPT

    malcolmg said:

    Miliband poised to charge homes in South more for electricity

    The Energy Secretary has been weighing up whether to push ahead with zonal pricing, which would split the country’s single national power market into different regions

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/23/miliband-set-to-back-switch-to-regional-electricity-pricing/

    yaba daba doo ours should plummet if honesty prevails, but I will not hold my breath.
    Yep, Scotland should be significantly cheaper. I guess they would go for a diluted version though, rather than a price that actually reflects transmission costs.

    It's difficult to see any downsides. Regional pricing does two things - it reduces transmission costs by incentivising consumption closer to generation, and stimulates generation YIMBYism.

    While England banned onshore wind for 9 years, Scotland ploughed on regardless. Why shouldn't people in Scotland, who have embraced new power generation, not benefit? And given so much English generation is near some of the poorest areas, like Teesside, I'd hope you will get some economic levelling up as a result of this cheap energy.
    There's nothing wrong with the principle. It's just being implemented selectively.

    If electricity should be priced regionally, how about adjusting public sector wages to reflect different costs of living by region? That would mean that northern public sector workers might get 20-50% less than those in the south. The unions would be up in arms, so it won't happen. And why should the uniform postal tariff survive? Also rural broadband - why shouldn't people who live on isolated Yorkshire moors pay the full cost of getting regional connections to them?

    Also council tax. It doesn't cost multiple times the amount to empty the bins of a band G property as it does to empty those of a band A property. So a far more uniform system of local taxation should be introduced - back to the poll tax. Income tax, too. The better off use fewer public services than the great unwashed, educating their kids privately and using private health care. They should surely pay less tax not more.

    Miliband is just targeting this specific subsidy because it will milk the people who don't vote for him yet more than they already are. If it were the other way around, you can bet the idea would have been dead on arrival.

    But hopefully if this idea is adopted, ALL other cross-subsidies will unwind. And for a party that is based on stealing from the rich, they may well rue the day.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,686

    Foxy said:

    New YouGov/Economist poll out this morning finds Trump is no longer popular on immigration. This was the last issue he had a positive net approval on.

    https://bsky.app/profile/gelliottmorris.com/post/3lnifsdxoyc2x

    We did note the other day that even MAGA-aligned types like Joe Rogan had spoken against the arbitrary nature of Trump's deportations, and bypassing due process.

    How this poll relates to Frank Luntz's finding that it is independents rather than true believers abandoning The Donald might be interesting.
    Deportations are one thing; due process free renditions to a concentration camp quite another.

    Stories are beginning to emerge of individuals who have been seized by ICE, and have completely disappeared, without any record to say where they have been sent. That is, we don't even know if they're in the El Salvador concentration camp.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,686
    Fishing said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT

    malcolmg said:

    Miliband poised to charge homes in South more for electricity

    The Energy Secretary has been weighing up whether to push ahead with zonal pricing, which would split the country’s single national power market into different regions

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/23/miliband-set-to-back-switch-to-regional-electricity-pricing/

    yaba daba doo ours should plummet if honesty prevails, but I will not hold my breath.
    Yep, Scotland should be significantly cheaper. I guess they would go for a diluted version though, rather than a price that actually reflects transmission costs.

    It's difficult to see any downsides. Regional pricing does two things - it reduces transmission costs by incentivising consumption closer to generation, and stimulates generation YIMBYism.

    While England banned onshore wind for 9 years, Scotland ploughed on regardless. Why shouldn't people in Scotland, who have embraced new power generation, not benefit? And given so much English generation is near some of the poorest areas, like Teesside, I'd hope you will get some economic levelling up as a result of this cheap energy.
    There's nothing wrong with the principle. It's just being implemented selectively.

    If electricity should be priced regionally, how about adjusting public sector wages to reflect different costs of living by region? That would mean that northern public sector workers might get 20-50% less than those in the south. The unions would be up in arms, so it won't happen. And why should the uniform postal tariff survive? Also rural broadband - why shouldn't people who live on isolated Yorkshire moors pay the full cost of getting regional connections to them?

    Also council tax. It doesn't cost multiple times the amount to empty the bins of a band G property as it does to empty those of a band A property. So a far more uniform system of local taxation should be introduced - back to the poll tax. Income tax, too. The better off use fewer public services than the great unwashed, educating their kids privately and using private health care. They should surely pay less tax not more.

    Miliband is just targeting this specific subsidy because it will milk the people who don't vote for him yet more than they already are. If it were the other way around, you can bet the idea would have been dead on arrival.
    I hesitate to speculate on Miliband's motives (it's quite possible he doesn't understand the economics), but there are extremely good economic incentive reasons for introducing regional pricing - depending on how it might be implemented, of course.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,732
    Nissan has just said that Sunderland and the UK is no longer a competitive place to build cars

    https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/25109061.nissan-boss-says-sunderland-uk-not-competitive-place/
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,415
    Sean_F said:

    Israel deletes Pope Francis condolence tweet

    Diplomats ordered to delete similar messages amid backdrop of scepticism towards the late pontiff caused by his support for Gaza


    Israel deleted a social media post expressing sorrow for the death of Pope Francis.

    A message on the country’s verified X account that read “Rest in Peace, Pope Francis. May his memory be a blessing” was taken down hours after it was posted on Monday.

    Israeli diplomatic missions around the world were ordered to delete any similar messages and not to sign condolence books in Vatican embassies, Hebrew media reported.

    Isaac Herzog, Israel’s president, posted a message of condolence, but Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, has been silent.

    On a visit to the Latin Patriarchate, the central Catholic Church in Jerusalem, opposition MP Gilad Kariv said: “I’m ashamed by the fact that the Israeli government and the Israeli Knesset did not release an official message of condolences. I’m here in order to express my condolences on behalf of the vast majority of Israeli citizens.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/04/23/israel-deletes-pope-francis-condolence-tweet/

    Netanyahu is one of those rare people who does not possess a single redeeming feature. He is a war criminal, financially corrupt, bigoted, and racist.
    Agreed.

    Support Israel, not Netanyahu.

    Though I appreciate some struggle to separate the two.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,686
    Sean_F said:

    Israel deletes Pope Francis condolence tweet

    Diplomats ordered to delete similar messages amid backdrop of scepticism towards the late pontiff caused by his support for Gaza


    Israel deleted a social media post expressing sorrow for the death of Pope Francis.

    A message on the country’s verified X account that read “Rest in Peace, Pope Francis. May his memory be a blessing” was taken down hours after it was posted on Monday.

    Israeli diplomatic missions around the world were ordered to delete any similar messages and not to sign condolence books in Vatican embassies, Hebrew media reported.

    Isaac Herzog, Israel’s president, posted a message of condolence, but Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, has been silent.

    On a visit to the Latin Patriarchate, the central Catholic Church in Jerusalem, opposition MP Gilad Kariv said: “I’m ashamed by the fact that the Israeli government and the Israeli Knesset did not release an official message of condolences. I’m here in order to express my condolences on behalf of the vast majority of Israeli citizens.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/04/23/israel-deletes-pope-francis-condolence-tweet/

    Netanyahu is one of those rare people who does not possess a single redeeming feature. He is a war criminal, financially corrupt, bigoted, and racist.
    His current regime contains quite a few like that.

    After meeting with "senior Republicans" at Mar-a-Lago, Itamar Ben-Gvir said: "They expressed support for my very clear position on how to act in Gaza and that the food and aid depots should be bombed."
    https://x.com/jeremyscahill/status/1915000741757964352
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,605
    edited 3:53PM

    Israel deletes Pope Francis condolence tweet

    Diplomats ordered to delete similar messages amid backdrop of scepticism towards the late pontiff caused by his support for Gaza


    Israel deleted a social media post expressing sorrow for the death of Pope Francis.

    A message on the country’s verified X account that read “Rest in Peace, Pope Francis. May his memory be a blessing” was taken down hours after it was posted on Monday.

    Israeli diplomatic missions around the world were ordered to delete any similar messages and not to sign condolence books in Vatican embassies, Hebrew media reported.

    Isaac Herzog, Israel’s president, posted a message of condolence, but Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, has been silent.

    On a visit to the Latin Patriarchate, the central Catholic Church in Jerusalem, opposition MP Gilad Kariv said: “I’m ashamed by the fact that the Israeli government and the Israeli Knesset did not release an official message of condolences. I’m here in order to express my condolences on behalf of the vast majority of Israeli citizens.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/04/23/israel-deletes-pope-francis-condolence-tweet/

    Pope Francis apparently made a point of phoning a Christian congregation in Gaza every night & spoke out against the Israeli invasion of Gaza in ways the Israeli governmental propaganda machine found hard to counter.

    Their spiteful response to the Pope’s death is depressingly predictable - they’ve doubled down on being awful again & again and they aren’t about to stop now.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,211
    I don't mean to shock you, but there's evidence that water companies might be acting a bit dodgy...

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/apr/23/ofwat-investigating-rip-off-cost-of-water-firms-infrastructure-works

    "A report by the campaign group Windrush Against Sewage Pollution (Wasp) has found that upgrading a sewage works serving the Oxford area will cost £435m, more than 10 times the £40m cost quoted when the project was proposed. The sewage works is expected to serve between 255,000 and 267,000 people.

    In comparison, it cost £29m to build a new sewage works in Assens, Denmark, where the cost of living is on average 13% above that of the UK and the cost of water and sewerage is one of the highest in Europe. It was designed to cater for a population of 100,000, with the capacity to upgrade to 150,000. Sewage treatment works cost less to build in the US, too, where the benchmark cost for a new plant serving approximately a million people is £248m.
    "
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,136
    Fishing said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT

    malcolmg said:

    Miliband poised to charge homes in South more for electricity

    The Energy Secretary has been weighing up whether to push ahead with zonal pricing, which would split the country’s single national power market into different regions

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/04/23/miliband-set-to-back-switch-to-regional-electricity-pricing/

    yaba daba doo ours should plummet if honesty prevails, but I will not hold my breath.
    Yep, Scotland should be significantly cheaper. I guess they would go for a diluted version though, rather than a price that actually reflects transmission costs.

    It's difficult to see any downsides. Regional pricing does two things - it reduces transmission costs by incentivising consumption closer to generation, and stimulates generation YIMBYism.

    While England banned onshore wind for 9 years, Scotland ploughed on regardless. Why shouldn't people in Scotland, who have embraced new power generation, not benefit? And given so much English generation is near some of the poorest areas, like Teesside, I'd hope you will get some economic levelling up as a result of this cheap energy.
    There's nothing wrong with the principle. It's just being implemented selectively.

    If electricity should be priced regionally, how about adjusting public sector wages to reflect different costs of living by region? That would mean that northern public sector workers might get 20-50% less than those in the south. The unions would be up in arms, so it won't happen. And why should the uniform postal tariff survive? Also rural broadband - why shouldn't people who live on isolated Yorkshire moors pay the full cost of getting regional connections to them?

    Also council tax. It doesn't cost multiple times the amount to empty the bins of a band G property as it does to empty those of a band A property. So a far more uniform system of local taxation should be introduced - back to the poll tax. Income tax, too. The better off use fewer public services than the great unwashed, educating their kids privately and using private health care. They should surely pay less tax not more.

    Miliband is just targeting this specific subsidy because it will milk the people who don't vote for him yet more than they already are. If it were the other way around, you can bet the idea would have been dead on arrival.

    But hopefully if this idea is adopted, ALL other cross-subsidies will unwind. And for a party that is based on stealing from the rich, they may well rue the day.
    Those are all interesting ideas and arguments, particularly around wages for people in poorest parts of the country. Of course, that already happens with things like housing benefit, which is much higher in more expensive parts of the UK. And that's before we start to look at transport investment, which is much higher in the SE of England.

    But frankly that just serves as a distraction from the particular technical challenge of energy generation and consumption. We know that a large part of the reason why energy is expensive in the UK is due to transmission costs. One way to deal with that is invest billions in new infrastructure to shift power down south. Another is to better match demand with supply, which is what regional pricing helps to do.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,686
    .
    eek said:

    Nissan has just said that Sunderland and the UK is no longer a competitive place to build cars

    https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/25109061.nissan-boss-says-sunderland-uk-not-competitive-place/

    The location of Nissan's plant (and the fact that they have the capability to build large scale battery storage), mean they would be ideally situated to benefit from zonal pricing of electricity.
    ...Alan Johnson, the senior vice president for manufacturing, supply chain and Purchasing for Nissan’s Africa, Middle East, India, Europe and Oceania operations, told members of the House of Commons’ Business and Trade Committee that the Sunderland factory “pays more for its electricity than any other Nissan plant in the world”...

    An extremely good example of how it might work.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,624
    eek said:

    Nissan has just said that Sunderland and the UK is no longer a competitive place to build cars

    https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/25109061.nissan-boss-says-sunderland-uk-not-competitive-place/

    Which is really "Please give us a subsidy or we are off"
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,926
    CatMan said:

    I don't mean to shock you, but there's evidence that water companies might be acting a bit dodgy...

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/apr/23/ofwat-investigating-rip-off-cost-of-water-firms-infrastructure-works

    "A report by the campaign group Windrush Against Sewage Pollution (Wasp) has found that upgrading a sewage works serving the Oxford area will cost £435m, more than 10 times the £40m cost quoted when the project was proposed. The sewage works is expected to serve between 255,000 and 267,000 people.

    In comparison, it cost £29m to build a new sewage works in Assens, Denmark, where the cost of living is on average 13% above that of the UK and the cost of water and sewerage is one of the highest in Europe. It was designed to cater for a population of 100,000, with the capacity to upgrade to 150,000. Sewage treatment works cost less to build in the US, too, where the benchmark cost for a new plant serving approximately a million people is £248m.
    "

    I would say "no shit Sherlock", but...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,686
    CatMan said:

    I don't mean to shock you, but there's evidence that water companies might be acting a bit dodgy...

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/apr/23/ofwat-investigating-rip-off-cost-of-water-firms-infrastructure-works

    "A report by the campaign group Windrush Against Sewage Pollution (Wasp) has found that upgrading a sewage works serving the Oxford area will cost £435m, more than 10 times the £40m cost quoted when the project was proposed. The sewage works is expected to serve between 255,000 and 267,000 people.

    In comparison, it cost £29m to build a new sewage works in Assens, Denmark, where the cost of living is on average 13% above that of the UK and the cost of water and sewerage is one of the highest in Europe. It was designed to cater for a population of 100,000, with the capacity to upgrade to 150,000. Sewage treatment works cost less to build in the US, too, where the benchmark cost for a new plant serving approximately a million people is £248m.
    "

    I don't mean to shock you, but I'm pretty certain this is a lie:

    ...Ofwat sources confirmed they were reviewing the data and said the regulator would ensure water companies delivered value for money when building new infrastructure. A spokesperson said: “As part of this price review period, we’ll be keeping a much closer eye on the delivery of upgrades and infrastructure projects because of the vast increase in investment. That will include ensuring that they are value for money.”..

    This too:
    ...A United Utilities spokesperson said: “As with all our infrastructure schemes, there are processes in place to ensure we deliver them in the most efficient and cost-effective way possible.”..
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,658
    Sean_F said:

    Israel deletes Pope Francis condolence tweet

    Diplomats ordered to delete similar messages amid backdrop of scepticism towards the late pontiff caused by his support for Gaza


    Israel deleted a social media post expressing sorrow for the death of Pope Francis.

    A message on the country’s verified X account that read “Rest in Peace, Pope Francis. May his memory be a blessing” was taken down hours after it was posted on Monday.

    Israeli diplomatic missions around the world were ordered to delete any similar messages and not to sign condolence books in Vatican embassies, Hebrew media reported.

    Isaac Herzog, Israel’s president, posted a message of condolence, but Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, has been silent.

    On a visit to the Latin Patriarchate, the central Catholic Church in Jerusalem, opposition MP Gilad Kariv said: “I’m ashamed by the fact that the Israeli government and the Israeli Knesset did not release an official message of condolences. I’m here in order to express my condolences on behalf of the vast majority of Israeli citizens.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/04/23/israel-deletes-pope-francis-condolence-tweet/

    Netanyahu is one of those rare people who does not possess a single redeeming feature. He is a war criminal, financially corrupt, bigoted, and racist.
    The father of a Jewish friend says he feels like Donald Woods during apartheid.

    He is shocked at just how callous the country is and doesn’t care, a lot of this predates the Hamas attack in 2023.

    A fun game Reform Jews play these days is who said it, the Nazis about Jews or the Israelis about the Palestinians.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,761

    Sean_F said:

    Israel deletes Pope Francis condolence tweet

    Diplomats ordered to delete similar messages amid backdrop of scepticism towards the late pontiff caused by his support for Gaza


    Israel deleted a social media post expressing sorrow for the death of Pope Francis.

    A message on the country’s verified X account that read “Rest in Peace, Pope Francis. May his memory be a blessing” was taken down hours after it was posted on Monday.

    Israeli diplomatic missions around the world were ordered to delete any similar messages and not to sign condolence books in Vatican embassies, Hebrew media reported.

    Isaac Herzog, Israel’s president, posted a message of condolence, but Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, has been silent.

    On a visit to the Latin Patriarchate, the central Catholic Church in Jerusalem, opposition MP Gilad Kariv said: “I’m ashamed by the fact that the Israeli government and the Israeli Knesset did not release an official message of condolences. I’m here in order to express my condolences on behalf of the vast majority of Israeli citizens.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/04/23/israel-deletes-pope-francis-condolence-tweet/

    Netanyahu is one of those rare people who does not possess a single redeeming feature. He is a war criminal, financially corrupt, bigoted, and racist.
    Agreed.

    Support Israel, not Netanyahu.

    Though I appreciate some struggle to separate the two.
    They voted him into office.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,536

    Sean_F said:

    Israel deletes Pope Francis condolence tweet

    Diplomats ordered to delete similar messages amid backdrop of scepticism towards the late pontiff caused by his support for Gaza


    Israel deleted a social media post expressing sorrow for the death of Pope Francis.

    A message on the country’s verified X account that read “Rest in Peace, Pope Francis. May his memory be a blessing” was taken down hours after it was posted on Monday.

    Israeli diplomatic missions around the world were ordered to delete any similar messages and not to sign condolence books in Vatican embassies, Hebrew media reported.

    Isaac Herzog, Israel’s president, posted a message of condolence, but Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, has been silent.

    On a visit to the Latin Patriarchate, the central Catholic Church in Jerusalem, opposition MP Gilad Kariv said: “I’m ashamed by the fact that the Israeli government and the Israeli Knesset did not release an official message of condolences. I’m here in order to express my condolences on behalf of the vast majority of Israeli citizens.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/04/23/israel-deletes-pope-francis-condolence-tweet/

    Netanyahu is one of those rare people who does not possess a single redeeming feature. He is a war criminal, financially corrupt, bigoted, and racist.
    Agreed.

    Support Israel, not Netanyahu.

    Though I appreciate some struggle to separate the two.
    They voted him into office.
    And the Palestinians allow Hamas to run Gaza.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,686
    I'm pretty sure that Trumpworld bought the stock market before it was publicly announced that Trump would bring down tariffs.

    What's the betting they sold ahead of this ?
    BESSENT: NO UNILATERAL OFFER FROM TRUMP TO CUT CHINA TARIFFS

    And bipolar changes his mind yet again.

    https://x.com/SpencerHakimian/status/1915064006693261466
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,668

    Sean_F said:

    Israel deletes Pope Francis condolence tweet

    Diplomats ordered to delete similar messages amid backdrop of scepticism towards the late pontiff caused by his support for Gaza


    Israel deleted a social media post expressing sorrow for the death of Pope Francis.

    A message on the country’s verified X account that read “Rest in Peace, Pope Francis. May his memory be a blessing” was taken down hours after it was posted on Monday.

    Israeli diplomatic missions around the world were ordered to delete any similar messages and not to sign condolence books in Vatican embassies, Hebrew media reported.

    Isaac Herzog, Israel’s president, posted a message of condolence, but Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, has been silent.

    On a visit to the Latin Patriarchate, the central Catholic Church in Jerusalem, opposition MP Gilad Kariv said: “I’m ashamed by the fact that the Israeli government and the Israeli Knesset did not release an official message of condolences. I’m here in order to express my condolences on behalf of the vast majority of Israeli citizens.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/04/23/israel-deletes-pope-francis-condolence-tweet/

    Netanyahu is one of those rare people who does not possess a single redeeming feature. He is a war criminal, financially corrupt, bigoted, and racist.
    Agreed.

    Support Israel, not Netanyahu.

    Though I appreciate some struggle to separate the two.
    They voted him into office.
    About half of those who voted voted him into office.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,536

    Sean_F said:

    Israel deletes Pope Francis condolence tweet

    Diplomats ordered to delete similar messages amid backdrop of scepticism towards the late pontiff caused by his support for Gaza


    Israel deleted a social media post expressing sorrow for the death of Pope Francis.

    A message on the country’s verified X account that read “Rest in Peace, Pope Francis. May his memory be a blessing” was taken down hours after it was posted on Monday.

    Israeli diplomatic missions around the world were ordered to delete any similar messages and not to sign condolence books in Vatican embassies, Hebrew media reported.

    Isaac Herzog, Israel’s president, posted a message of condolence, but Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, has been silent.

    On a visit to the Latin Patriarchate, the central Catholic Church in Jerusalem, opposition MP Gilad Kariv said: “I’m ashamed by the fact that the Israeli government and the Israeli Knesset did not release an official message of condolences. I’m here in order to express my condolences on behalf of the vast majority of Israeli citizens.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/04/23/israel-deletes-pope-francis-condolence-tweet/

    Netanyahu is one of those rare people who does not possess a single redeeming feature. He is a war criminal, financially corrupt, bigoted, and racist.
    Agreed.

    Support Israel, not Netanyahu.

    Though I appreciate some struggle to separate the two.
    They voted him into office.
    About half of those who voted voted him into office.
    The joys of PR. Yes, FPTP lets people win with a low share of the vote, but Israel seems stuck with the same election outcome every time.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,817
    Is war between India and Pakistan coming?

    https://x.com/ghulamabbasshah/status/1915075818528932154

    India announces aggressive measures against Pakistan:

    1. Indus Water Treaty suspended
    2. Attari border crossing closed
    3. 48-hour ultimatum for Pakistani citizens to leave India
    4. Pakistan’s Defence Attaché declared persona non grata
    Awaiting Pakistan's response.
    #Pahalgam
    #PahalgamAttack
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,320
    tlg86 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Israel deletes Pope Francis condolence tweet

    Diplomats ordered to delete similar messages amid backdrop of scepticism towards the late pontiff caused by his support for Gaza


    Israel deleted a social media post expressing sorrow for the death of Pope Francis.

    A message on the country’s verified X account that read “Rest in Peace, Pope Francis. May his memory be a blessing” was taken down hours after it was posted on Monday.

    Israeli diplomatic missions around the world were ordered to delete any similar messages and not to sign condolence books in Vatican embassies, Hebrew media reported.

    Isaac Herzog, Israel’s president, posted a message of condolence, but Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, has been silent.

    On a visit to the Latin Patriarchate, the central Catholic Church in Jerusalem, opposition MP Gilad Kariv said: “I’m ashamed by the fact that the Israeli government and the Israeli Knesset did not release an official message of condolences. I’m here in order to express my condolences on behalf of the vast majority of Israeli citizens.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/04/23/israel-deletes-pope-francis-condolence-tweet/

    Netanyahu is one of those rare people who does not possess a single redeeming feature. He is a war criminal, financially corrupt, bigoted, and racist.
    Agreed.

    Support Israel, not Netanyahu.

    Though I appreciate some struggle to separate the two.
    They voted him into office.
    And the Palestinians allow Hamas to run Gaza.
    Talk me through how this allowing goes on.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,761
    tlg86 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Israel deletes Pope Francis condolence tweet

    Diplomats ordered to delete similar messages amid backdrop of scepticism towards the late pontiff caused by his support for Gaza


    Israel deleted a social media post expressing sorrow for the death of Pope Francis.

    A message on the country’s verified X account that read “Rest in Peace, Pope Francis. May his memory be a blessing” was taken down hours after it was posted on Monday.

    Israeli diplomatic missions around the world were ordered to delete any similar messages and not to sign condolence books in Vatican embassies, Hebrew media reported.

    Isaac Herzog, Israel’s president, posted a message of condolence, but Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, has been silent.

    On a visit to the Latin Patriarchate, the central Catholic Church in Jerusalem, opposition MP Gilad Kariv said: “I’m ashamed by the fact that the Israeli government and the Israeli Knesset did not release an official message of condolences. I’m here in order to express my condolences on behalf of the vast majority of Israeli citizens.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/04/23/israel-deletes-pope-francis-condolence-tweet/

    Netanyahu is one of those rare people who does not possess a single redeeming feature. He is a war criminal, financially corrupt, bigoted, and racist.
    Agreed.

    Support Israel, not Netanyahu.

    Though I appreciate some struggle to separate the two.
    They voted him into office.
    And the Palestinians allow Hamas to run Gaza.
    Surely the citizens of a democracy bear more responsibility for the actions of their government than do those of a dictatorship. They have, after all, had a say in choosing their leaders.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,605
    CatMan said:

    I don't mean to shock you, but there's evidence that water companies might be acting a bit dodgy...

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/apr/23/ofwat-investigating-rip-off-cost-of-water-firms-infrastructure-works

    "A report by the campaign group Windrush Against Sewage Pollution (Wasp) has found that upgrading a sewage works serving the Oxford area will cost £435m, more than 10 times the £40m cost quoted when the project was proposed. The sewage works is expected to serve between 255,000 and 267,000 people.

    In comparison, it cost £29m to build a new sewage works in Assens, Denmark, where the cost of living is on average 13% above that of the UK and the cost of water and sewerage is one of the highest in Europe. It was designed to cater for a population of 100,000, with the capacity to upgrade to 150,000. Sewage treatment works cost less to build in the US, too, where the benchmark cost for a new plant serving approximately a million people is £248m.
    "

    As far as I can tell the main obstacle to the completion of the Oxford Botley Road railworks has been Thames Water. Reading between the lines Network Rail & the contractor in charge have been tearing their hair out trying to get them to do anything at all in a timely fashion.

    They simply do not care. At all. And they cannot be forced to act under the existing system of oversight, nor can anyone else carry out the work if they won’t.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,686

    tlg86 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Israel deletes Pope Francis condolence tweet

    Diplomats ordered to delete similar messages amid backdrop of scepticism towards the late pontiff caused by his support for Gaza


    Israel deleted a social media post expressing sorrow for the death of Pope Francis.

    A message on the country’s verified X account that read “Rest in Peace, Pope Francis. May his memory be a blessing” was taken down hours after it was posted on Monday.

    Israeli diplomatic missions around the world were ordered to delete any similar messages and not to sign condolence books in Vatican embassies, Hebrew media reported.

    Isaac Herzog, Israel’s president, posted a message of condolence, but Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, has been silent.

    On a visit to the Latin Patriarchate, the central Catholic Church in Jerusalem, opposition MP Gilad Kariv said: “I’m ashamed by the fact that the Israeli government and the Israeli Knesset did not release an official message of condolences. I’m here in order to express my condolences on behalf of the vast majority of Israeli citizens.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/04/23/israel-deletes-pope-francis-condolence-tweet/

    Netanyahu is one of those rare people who does not possess a single redeeming feature. He is a war criminal, financially corrupt, bigoted, and racist.
    Agreed.

    Support Israel, not Netanyahu.

    Though I appreciate some struggle to separate the two.
    They voted him into office.
    And the Palestinians allow Hamas to run Gaza.
    Surely the citizens of a democracy bear more responsibility for the actions of their government than do those of a dictatorship. They have, after all, had a say in choosing their leaders.
    Those that voted them into office, certainly.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,263
    edited 4:18PM
    Oh, incidentally, Happy St George's Day! At least to all those that celebrate of course! Whilst ensuring that dragons are treated with respect and given dignity in their everyday dragoning. That should cover all bases. :)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,548
    I kind of feel bad for Pollievre as he was already measuring the curtains at whatever the No. 10 of Canada is, but if the incumbent decline was able to be overcome so swiftly by Carney/Trump he needed to deal with it, and his party have seemed more outraged and bitter about the switch up instead.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,744
    Sean_F said:

    Israel deletes Pope Francis condolence tweet

    Diplomats ordered to delete similar messages amid backdrop of scepticism towards the late pontiff caused by his support for Gaza


    Israel deleted a social media post expressing sorrow for the death of Pope Francis.

    A message on the country’s verified X account that read “Rest in Peace, Pope Francis. May his memory be a blessing” was taken down hours after it was posted on Monday.

    Israeli diplomatic missions around the world were ordered to delete any similar messages and not to sign condolence books in Vatican embassies, Hebrew media reported.

    Isaac Herzog, Israel’s president, posted a message of condolence, but Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, has been silent.

    On a visit to the Latin Patriarchate, the central Catholic Church in Jerusalem, opposition MP Gilad Kariv said: “I’m ashamed by the fact that the Israeli government and the Israeli Knesset did not release an official message of condolences. I’m here in order to express my condolences on behalf of the vast majority of Israeli citizens.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/04/23/israel-deletes-pope-francis-condolence-tweet/

    Netanyahu is one of those rare people who does not possess a single redeeming feature. He is a war criminal, financially corrupt, bigoted, and racist.
    Apparently he makes excellent falafel, so as always its swings and roundabouts
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,415

    Sean_F said:

    Israel deletes Pope Francis condolence tweet

    Diplomats ordered to delete similar messages amid backdrop of scepticism towards the late pontiff caused by his support for Gaza


    Israel deleted a social media post expressing sorrow for the death of Pope Francis.

    A message on the country’s verified X account that read “Rest in Peace, Pope Francis. May his memory be a blessing” was taken down hours after it was posted on Monday.

    Israeli diplomatic missions around the world were ordered to delete any similar messages and not to sign condolence books in Vatican embassies, Hebrew media reported.

    Isaac Herzog, Israel’s president, posted a message of condolence, but Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, has been silent.

    On a visit to the Latin Patriarchate, the central Catholic Church in Jerusalem, opposition MP Gilad Kariv said: “I’m ashamed by the fact that the Israeli government and the Israeli Knesset did not release an official message of condolences. I’m here in order to express my condolences on behalf of the vast majority of Israeli citizens.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/04/23/israel-deletes-pope-francis-condolence-tweet/

    Netanyahu is one of those rare people who does not possess a single redeeming feature. He is a war criminal, financially corrupt, bigoted, and racist.
    Agreed.

    Support Israel, not Netanyahu.

    Though I appreciate some struggle to separate the two.
    They voted him into office.
    Yes, they're a democracy. That's something to respect.

    When they're surrounded by people who hate them and want them dead, like Hamas, and reject peace at every opportunity like the PA, is there any wonder he has an appeal?

    Israel needs a firmer leader, who is not corrupt, and will destroy Hamas. Sadly Netanyahu just wants to string along and keep Hamas in power as it suits him.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,686
    Phil said:

    CatMan said:

    I don't mean to shock you, but there's evidence that water companies might be acting a bit dodgy...

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/apr/23/ofwat-investigating-rip-off-cost-of-water-firms-infrastructure-works

    "A report by the campaign group Windrush Against Sewage Pollution (Wasp) has found that upgrading a sewage works serving the Oxford area will cost £435m, more than 10 times the £40m cost quoted when the project was proposed. The sewage works is expected to serve between 255,000 and 267,000 people.

    In comparison, it cost £29m to build a new sewage works in Assens, Denmark, where the cost of living is on average 13% above that of the UK and the cost of water and sewerage is one of the highest in Europe. It was designed to cater for a population of 100,000, with the capacity to upgrade to 150,000. Sewage treatment works cost less to build in the US, too, where the benchmark cost for a new plant serving approximately a million people is £248m.
    "

    As far as I can tell the main obstacle to the completion of the Oxford Botley Road railworks has been Thames Water. Reading between the lines Network Rail & the contractor in charge have been tearing their hair out trying to get them to do anything at all in a timely fashion.

    They simply do not care. At all. And they cannot be forced to act under the existing system of oversight, nor can anyone else carry out the work if they won’t.
    Both water companies and the regulator have been taking the piss for decades.

    The latest "deal" effectively finances a capital expansion of the industry, paid for by the customers. The companies will then argue they should reap a "fair return" on that ex[anded capital base, while continuing to operate in the piss taking manner they've maintained for many years.

    I'm not sure a nationalised industry could actually do a worse job - and at least any surplus revenue would stay in the country, rather than largely being paid to overseas owners.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,686
    viewcode said:

    Oh, incidentally, Happy St George's Day! At least to all those that celebrate of course! Whilst ensuring that dragons are treated with respect and given dignity in their everyday dragoning. That should cover all bases. :)

    The Japanese ambassador responds:
    https://x.com/AmbJapanUK/status/1914982984857378963
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,098
    @Steven_Swinford

    Donald Trump accuses Volodomyr Zelensky of making 'inflammatory' statements about Crimea and says that he has 'no cards to play'

    He says Crimea was 'lost years ago' and that Zelensky's comments are making it 'difficult to settle this war'

    'He can have peace or he can fight for another three years before losing the whole country'

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1915075519642481070
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,263
    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    Oh, incidentally, Happy St George's Day! At least to all those that celebrate of course! Whilst ensuring that dragons are treated with respect and given dignity in their everyday dragoning. That should cover all bases. :)

    The Japanese ambassador responds:
    https://x.com/AmbJapanUK/status/1914982984857378963
    He is very good, I think.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,539
    Phil said:

    CatMan said:

    I don't mean to shock you, but there's evidence that water companies might be acting a bit dodgy...

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/apr/23/ofwat-investigating-rip-off-cost-of-water-firms-infrastructure-works

    "A report by the campaign group Windrush Against Sewage Pollution (Wasp) has found that upgrading a sewage works serving the Oxford area will cost £435m, more than 10 times the £40m cost quoted when the project was proposed. The sewage works is expected to serve between 255,000 and 267,000 people.

    In comparison, it cost £29m to build a new sewage works in Assens, Denmark, where the cost of living is on average 13% above that of the UK and the cost of water and sewerage is one of the highest in Europe. It was designed to cater for a population of 100,000, with the capacity to upgrade to 150,000. Sewage treatment works cost less to build in the US, too, where the benchmark cost for a new plant serving approximately a million people is £248m.
    "

    As far as I can tell the main obstacle to the completion of the Oxford Botley Road railworks has been Thames Water. Reading between the lines Network Rail & the contractor in charge have been tearing their hair out trying to get them to do anything at all in a timely fashion.

    They simply do not care. At all. And they cannot be forced to act under the existing system of oversight, nor can anyone else carry out the work if they won’t.
    Having Reading between the lines must indeed be quite some obstacle...
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,593
    Sean_F said:

    Israel deletes Pope Francis condolence tweet

    Diplomats ordered to delete similar messages amid backdrop of scepticism towards the late pontiff caused by his support for Gaza


    Israel deleted a social media post expressing sorrow for the death of Pope Francis.

    A message on the country’s verified X account that read “Rest in Peace, Pope Francis. May his memory be a blessing” was taken down hours after it was posted on Monday.

    Israeli diplomatic missions around the world were ordered to delete any similar messages and not to sign condolence books in Vatican embassies, Hebrew media reported.

    Isaac Herzog, Israel’s president, posted a message of condolence, but Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, has been silent.

    On a visit to the Latin Patriarchate, the central Catholic Church in Jerusalem, opposition MP Gilad Kariv said: “I’m ashamed by the fact that the Israeli government and the Israeli Knesset did not release an official message of condolences. I’m here in order to express my condolences on behalf of the vast majority of Israeli citizens.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/04/23/israel-deletes-pope-francis-condolence-tweet/

    Netanyahu is one of those rare people who does not possess a single redeeming feature. He is a war criminal, financially corrupt, bigoted, and racist.
    He seems a perfect pal for Trump.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,539

    Sean_F said:

    Israel deletes Pope Francis condolence tweet

    Diplomats ordered to delete similar messages amid backdrop of scepticism towards the late pontiff caused by his support for Gaza


    Israel deleted a social media post expressing sorrow for the death of Pope Francis.

    A message on the country’s verified X account that read “Rest in Peace, Pope Francis. May his memory be a blessing” was taken down hours after it was posted on Monday.

    Israeli diplomatic missions around the world were ordered to delete any similar messages and not to sign condolence books in Vatican embassies, Hebrew media reported.

    Isaac Herzog, Israel’s president, posted a message of condolence, but Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, has been silent.

    On a visit to the Latin Patriarchate, the central Catholic Church in Jerusalem, opposition MP Gilad Kariv said: “I’m ashamed by the fact that the Israeli government and the Israeli Knesset did not release an official message of condolences. I’m here in order to express my condolences on behalf of the vast majority of Israeli citizens.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/04/23/israel-deletes-pope-francis-condolence-tweet/

    Netanyahu is one of those rare people who does not possess a single redeeming feature. He is a war criminal, financially corrupt, bigoted, and racist.
    Agreed.

    Support Israel, not Netanyahu.

    Though I appreciate some struggle to separate the two.
    They voted him into office.
    About half of those who voted voted him into office.
    W-A-Y more than voted Starmer into office...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,172
    Nigelb said:

    .

    eek said:

    Nissan has just said that Sunderland and the UK is no longer a competitive place to build cars

    https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/25109061.nissan-boss-says-sunderland-uk-not-competitive-place/

    The location of Nissan's plant (and the fact that they have the capability to build large scale battery storage), mean they would be ideally situated to benefit from zonal pricing of electricity.
    ...Alan Johnson, the senior vice president for manufacturing, supply chain and Purchasing for Nissan’s Africa, Middle East, India, Europe and Oceania operations, told members of the House of Commons’ Business and Trade Committee that the Sunderland factory “pays more for its electricity than any other Nissan plant in the world”...

    An extremely good example of how it might work.
    We desperately need to find ways to incentivise manufacturing and investment in the poorer parts of the country. It is frankly incredible we have not done this already. Pre Brexit such possibilities got bogged down in EU competition law. That should no longer be the case.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,352
    CatMan said:

    I don't mean to shock you, but there's evidence that water companies might be acting a bit dodgy...

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/apr/23/ofwat-investigating-rip-off-cost-of-water-firms-infrastructure-works

    "A report by the campaign group Windrush Against Sewage Pollution (Wasp) has found that upgrading a sewage works serving the Oxford area will cost £435m, more than 10 times the £40m cost quoted when the project was proposed. The sewage works is expected to serve between 255,000 and 267,000 people.

    In comparison, it cost £29m to build a new sewage works in Assens, Denmark, where the cost of living is on average 13% above that of the UK and the cost of water and sewerage is one of the highest in Europe. It was designed to cater for a population of 100,000, with the capacity to upgrade to 150,000. Sewage treatment works cost less to build in the US, too, where the benchmark cost for a new plant serving approximately a million people is £248m.
    "

    Is there an unbiased source for that estimate?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,817
    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Donald Trump accuses Volodomyr Zelensky of making 'inflammatory' statements about Crimea and says that he has 'no cards to play'

    He says Crimea was 'lost years ago' and that Zelensky's comments are making it 'difficult to settle this war'

    'He can have peace or he can fight for another three years before losing the whole country'

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1915075519642481070

    “The Obama handover”

    https://x.com/rapidresponse47/status/1915074200731103424

    image
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,548
    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Donald Trump accuses Volodomyr Zelensky of making 'inflammatory' statements about Crimea and says that he has 'no cards to play'

    He says Crimea was 'lost years ago' and that Zelensky's comments are making it 'difficult to settle this war'

    'He can have peace or he can fight for another three years before losing the whole country'

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1915075519642481070

    Couldn't be clearer he actively supports Russia, not just doesn't want to support Ukraine.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,593
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    eek said:

    Nissan has just said that Sunderland and the UK is no longer a competitive place to build cars

    https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/25109061.nissan-boss-says-sunderland-uk-not-competitive-place/

    The location of Nissan's plant (and the fact that they have the capability to build large scale battery storage), mean they would be ideally situated to benefit from zonal pricing of electricity.
    ...Alan Johnson, the senior vice president for manufacturing, supply chain and Purchasing for Nissan’s Africa, Middle East, India, Europe and Oceania operations, told members of the House of Commons’ Business and Trade Committee that the Sunderland factory “pays more for its electricity than any other Nissan plant in the world”...

    An extremely good example of how it might work.
    We desperately need to find ways to incentivise manufacturing and investment in the poorer parts of the country. It is frankly incredible we have not done this already. Pre Brexit such possibilities got bogged down in EU competition law. That should no longer be the case.
    I look forward to the day when London and the South East are the poorer parts of the country. It may happen before the end of the millennium, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,668

    Sean_F said:

    Israel deletes Pope Francis condolence tweet

    Diplomats ordered to delete similar messages amid backdrop of scepticism towards the late pontiff caused by his support for Gaza


    Israel deleted a social media post expressing sorrow for the death of Pope Francis.

    A message on the country’s verified X account that read “Rest in Peace, Pope Francis. May his memory be a blessing” was taken down hours after it was posted on Monday.

    Israeli diplomatic missions around the world were ordered to delete any similar messages and not to sign condolence books in Vatican embassies, Hebrew media reported.

    Isaac Herzog, Israel’s president, posted a message of condolence, but Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, has been silent.

    On a visit to the Latin Patriarchate, the central Catholic Church in Jerusalem, opposition MP Gilad Kariv said: “I’m ashamed by the fact that the Israeli government and the Israeli Knesset did not release an official message of condolences. I’m here in order to express my condolences on behalf of the vast majority of Israeli citizens.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/04/23/israel-deletes-pope-francis-condolence-tweet/

    Netanyahu is one of those rare people who does not possess a single redeeming feature. He is a war criminal, financially corrupt, bigoted, and racist.
    He seems a perfect pal for Trump.


    They agree on everything.
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,221
    Trump on the Canadian Elections:

    Question)
    A follow-up on Canada, and I don't think I've heard you say this in all of the talk about Canada becoming the 51st state. Are you concerned that if they became the 51st state, they would be a very, very blue state, very, very big and very, very blue?

    Trump)
    No, they might be. But it would -- you have that artificial line that goes -- that straight artificial -- that looked like it was drawn by a ruler. Somebody with a -- I don't mean a ruler like a king, I mean, like a ruler, like a ruler, this way. And it's just an artificial line that was drawn in the sand or in the ice.

    And can I tell you, Peter, just -- you add that to this country, what a beautiful landmass, the most beautiful landmass anywhere in the world and it was just cut off for whatever reason. It would be great. Now, is it liberal? Maybe. But a conservative until I got involved because I don't care who wins up there.

    Frankly, he probably would do better with the liberal than the conservative if you want to know the truth. But just a little while ago, before I got involved and totally changed the election, which I don't care about. Probably it's our advantage actually. But the conservative was leading against, I call him Governor Trudeau, the conservative was leading by 35 points.

    So, I don't know about that. I think Canada is a place like a lot of other places. If you have a good candidate, the candidate's going to win.

    Were the Conservatives ever 35 points up?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,172
    viewcode said:

    Oh, incidentally, Happy St George's Day! At least to all those that celebrate of course! Whilst ensuring that dragons are treated with respect and given dignity in their everyday dragoning. That should cover all bases. :)

    Our dragon self identifies as a fire drake and takes enormous offence at anyone suggesting otherwise. So, not quite.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,548

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Donald Trump accuses Volodomyr Zelensky of making 'inflammatory' statements about Crimea and says that he has 'no cards to play'

    He says Crimea was 'lost years ago' and that Zelensky's comments are making it 'difficult to settle this war'

    'He can have peace or he can fight for another three years before losing the whole country'

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1915075519642481070

    “The Obama handover”

    https://x.com/rapidresponse47/status/1915074200731103424

    image
    I've never disliked anyone more, it makes it hard to make any kind of objective judgements.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,668

    Sean_F said:

    Israel deletes Pope Francis condolence tweet

    Diplomats ordered to delete similar messages amid backdrop of scepticism towards the late pontiff caused by his support for Gaza


    Israel deleted a social media post expressing sorrow for the death of Pope Francis.

    A message on the country’s verified X account that read “Rest in Peace, Pope Francis. May his memory be a blessing” was taken down hours after it was posted on Monday.

    Israeli diplomatic missions around the world were ordered to delete any similar messages and not to sign condolence books in Vatican embassies, Hebrew media reported.

    Isaac Herzog, Israel’s president, posted a message of condolence, but Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, has been silent.

    On a visit to the Latin Patriarchate, the central Catholic Church in Jerusalem, opposition MP Gilad Kariv said: “I’m ashamed by the fact that the Israeli government and the Israeli Knesset did not release an official message of condolences. I’m here in order to express my condolences on behalf of the vast majority of Israeli citizens.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/04/23/israel-deletes-pope-francis-condolence-tweet/

    Netanyahu is one of those rare people who does not possess a single redeeming feature. He is a war criminal, financially corrupt, bigoted, and racist.
    Agreed.

    Support Israel, not Netanyahu.

    Though I appreciate some struggle to separate the two.
    They voted him into office.
    About half of those who voted voted him into office.
    W-A-Y more than voted Starmer into office...
    Well, Bibi's party, Likud, got 23.4%, a lot less than Labour, but Likud and their allies got ~50%.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,172

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    eek said:

    Nissan has just said that Sunderland and the UK is no longer a competitive place to build cars

    https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/25109061.nissan-boss-says-sunderland-uk-not-competitive-place/

    The location of Nissan's plant (and the fact that they have the capability to build large scale battery storage), mean they would be ideally situated to benefit from zonal pricing of electricity.
    ...Alan Johnson, the senior vice president for manufacturing, supply chain and Purchasing for Nissan’s Africa, Middle East, India, Europe and Oceania operations, told members of the House of Commons’ Business and Trade Committee that the Sunderland factory “pays more for its electricity than any other Nissan plant in the world”...

    An extremely good example of how it might work.
    We desperately need to find ways to incentivise manufacturing and investment in the poorer parts of the country. It is frankly incredible we have not done this already. Pre Brexit such possibilities got bogged down in EU competition law. That should no longer be the case.
    I look forward to the day when London and the South East are the poorer parts of the country. It may happen before the end of the millennium, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
    I don't. The people of London work damn hard and earn a lot of money for the rest of us. But levelling up is a good idea that so far has been nothing more than a slogan. Its time we acted on it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,793
    edited 4:47PM

    Sean_F said:

    Israel deletes Pope Francis condolence tweet

    Diplomats ordered to delete similar messages amid backdrop of scepticism towards the late pontiff caused by his support for Gaza


    Israel deleted a social media post expressing sorrow for the death of Pope Francis.

    A message on the country’s verified X account that read “Rest in Peace, Pope Francis. May his memory be a blessing” was taken down hours after it was posted on Monday.

    Israeli diplomatic missions around the world were ordered to delete any similar messages and not to sign condolence books in Vatican embassies, Hebrew media reported.

    Isaac Herzog, Israel’s president, posted a message of condolence, but Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, has been silent.

    On a visit to the Latin Patriarchate, the central Catholic Church in Jerusalem, opposition MP Gilad Kariv said: “I’m ashamed by the fact that the Israeli government and the Israeli Knesset did not release an official message of condolences. I’m here in order to express my condolences on behalf of the vast majority of Israeli citizens.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/04/23/israel-deletes-pope-francis-condolence-tweet/

    Netanyahu is one of those rare people who does not possess a single redeeming feature. He is a war criminal, financially corrupt, bigoted, and racist.
    He seems a perfect pal for Trump.


    They agree on everything.
    Some truth from him for a change. They are pretty much on the same side of every issue. The wrong side.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,172

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Donald Trump accuses Volodomyr Zelensky of making 'inflammatory' statements about Crimea and says that he has 'no cards to play'

    He says Crimea was 'lost years ago' and that Zelensky's comments are making it 'difficult to settle this war'

    'He can have peace or he can fight for another three years before losing the whole country'

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1915075519642481070

    “The Obama handover”

    https://x.com/rapidresponse47/status/1915074200731103424

    image
    I've never disliked anyone more, it makes it hard to make any kind of objective judgements.
    I actually dislike more those people who despite all the evidence said Trump would be better for Ukraine than Biden/Harris.
    They were wrong. I see no reason to dislike them, particularly if they are not even American and did not have a vote.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,793
    edited 4:47PM
    Hey William, that's pisspoor behaviour, copying in a huge unbroken block of Trump like that. Warning needed.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,320
    DM_Andy said:

    Trump on the Canadian Elections:

    Question)
    A follow-up on Canada, and I don't think I've heard you say this in all of the talk about Canada becoming the 51st state. Are you concerned that if they became the 51st state, they would be a very, very blue state, very, very big and very, very blue?

    Trump)
    No, they might be. But it would -- you have that artificial line that goes -- that straight artificial -- that looked like it was drawn by a ruler. Somebody with a -- I don't mean a ruler like a king, I mean, like a ruler, like a ruler, this way. And it's just an artificial line that was drawn in the sand or in the ice.

    And can I tell you, Peter, just -- you add that to this country, what a beautiful landmass, the most beautiful landmass anywhere in the world and it was just cut off for whatever reason. It would be great. Now, is it liberal? Maybe. But a conservative until I got involved because I don't care who wins up there.

    Frankly, he probably would do better with the liberal than the conservative if you want to know the truth. But just a little while ago, before I got involved and totally changed the election, which I don't care about. Probably it's our advantage actually. But the conservative was leading against, I call him Governor Trudeau, the conservative was leading by 35 points.

    So, I don't know about that. I think Canada is a place like a lot of other places. If you have a good candidate, the candidate's going to win.

    Were the Conservatives ever 35 points up?
    I wonder why he's not so keen on the bottom part of that beautiful landmass (Mexico)? Food too spicy?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,686
    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Donald Trump accuses Volodomyr Zelensky of making 'inflammatory' statements about Crimea and says that he has 'no cards to play'

    He says Crimea was 'lost years ago' and that Zelensky's comments are making it 'difficult to settle this war'

    'He can have peace or he can fight for another three years before losing the whole country'

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1915075519642481070

    US law forbids recognition of Russian sovereignty in Crimea, without the approval of Congress.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,668
    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Donald Trump accuses Volodomyr Zelensky of making 'inflammatory' statements about Crimea and says that he has 'no cards to play'

    He says Crimea was 'lost years ago' and that Zelensky's comments are making it 'difficult to settle this war'

    'He can have peace or he can fight for another three years before losing the whole country'

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1915075519642481070

    US law forbids recognition of Russian sovereignty in Crimea, without the approval of Congress.
    US law does not apply to Trump. We know that by now.
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