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It’s a bold strategy. Let’s see if it pays off for Farage. – politicalbetting.com

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edited April 21 in General
It’s a bold strategy. Let’s see if it pays off for Farage. – politicalbetting.com

This is fascinating. A pitch for disaffected nationalists? If so, would Reform sacrifice the grumpy Tory right wing Unionists who might be considered Farage’s most obvious audience? “Nigel Farage: I’d rather have SNP in power at Holyrood than Labour”https://t.co/15TOQV3BCf

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  • TazTaz Posts: 17,603

    J.D. Vance met Pope Francis yesterday and the Pope died today, is Vance the new Liz Truss given the way Queen Elizabeth II died two days after meeting Truss?

    He needs to spend more time with Putin
    And whoever is advises Trump on tariffs.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,484

    J.D. Vance met Pope Francis yesterday and the Pope died today, is Vance the new Liz Truss given the way Queen Elizabeth II died two days after meeting Truss?

    Maybe Vance poisoned Pope Francis.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,462
    Morning all :)

    One part of the increase in Church attendances yesterday may be down to the Orthodox Easter being on the same date as the Western this year (it isn't always).

    Our local Church has evangelical groups and Christian services conducted in Tamil as well as the main Anglican service so there was a steady flow of traffic yesterday.

    To be fair, we have lots of faith(s) in East Ham - the mosques and other prayer places are busy on Fridays and you see the older more devout Muslims making the trek to the mosque at all hours. We have a local Sikh temple in the High Street as well which provides food (not quite a carvery in the Church but still).

    Our neighbours are Catholics so go to their Church every Sunday.

    I wouldn't say we were an agnostic or atheist nation at all and I don't know if the rise in attendance at Christian Churches is being matched at the places of worship of other faiths.

    As to why, in general, more people are turning toward religion I think we can all suggest the obvious reasons. Many religions do contain within them some very strong positive messages about individual morality and social cohesion (not all and there are many other less amenable messages to be blunt) so that in itself may be a cause for optimism but I have found professing a faith and living to the tenets of that faith aren't always one and the same thing.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,463
    Not exactly unexpected that the Pope has died, he looked pretty frail on Sunday.

    Sounds a bit morbid, but do we have any markets on his successor yet?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,623
    ydoethur said:

    Not exactly unexpected that the Pope has died, he looked pretty frail on Sunday.

    Sounds a bit morbid, but do we have any markets on his successor yet?

    Not yet.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,296
    World record for time it takes a header to be upstaged by events?

    On topic, in 2017 Kenny Farq advised betting on Kezia Dugdale for next First Minister.
    ‘Nuff said.

  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,844
    ydoethur said:

    Not exactly unexpected that the Pope has died, he looked pretty frail on Sunday.

    Sounds a bit morbid, but do we have any markets on his successor yet?

    TRUSS
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,463
    Some runners and riders picked out four days ago, if anyone is interested:

    https://theweek.com/news/religion/960338/papal-succession-the-cardinals-in-the-running-to-be-the-next-pope
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,416
    ydoethur said:

    Not exactly unexpected that the Pope has died, he looked pretty frail on Sunday.

    Sounds a bit morbid, but do we have any markets on his successor yet?

    How long after the pope death does the papal conclave take place?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,296
    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    One part of the increase in Church attendances yesterday may be down to the Orthodox Easter being on the same date as the Western this year (it isn't always).

    Our local Church has evangelical groups and Christian services conducted in Tamil as well as the main Anglican service so there was a steady flow of traffic yesterday.

    To be fair, we have lots of faith(s) in East Ham - the mosques and other prayer places are busy on Fridays and you see the older more devout Muslims making the trek to the mosque at all hours. We have a local Sikh temple in the High Street as well which provides food (not quite a carvery in the Church but still).

    Our neighbours are Catholics so go to their Church every Sunday.

    I wouldn't say we were an agnostic or atheist nation at all and I don't know if the rise in attendance at Christian Churches is being matched at the places of worship of other faiths.

    As to why, in general, more people are turning toward religion I think we can all suggest the obvious reasons. Many religions do contain within them some very strong positive messages about individual morality and social cohesion (not all and there are many other less amenable messages to be blunt) so that in itself may be a cause for optimism but I have found professing a faith and living to the tenets of that faith aren't always one and the same thing.

    Might lack of optimism be a factor?
    When all hope is lost start praying.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,463

    J.D. Vance met Pope Francis yesterday and the Pope died today, is Vance the new Liz Truss given the way Queen Elizabeth II died two days after meeting Truss?

    It's amazing Trump is still going.

    Although it may be that his brain has died in light of his recent pronouncements.

    What was it they said in the USSR?

    'Lenin has died, but his cause lives on!

    What a coincidence. Brezhnev has died, but his body lives on.'
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,246
    ydoethur said:

    Not exactly unexpected that the Pope has died, he looked pretty frail on Sunday.

    Sounds a bit morbid, but do we have any markets on his successor yet?

    Do you think they might skip a couple of generations and go for Ollie?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,299
    Roger said:


    Any suggestions for an electric car? Small but comfortable but not a Tesla. Someone said a BMW 3I but they dont make them anymore.

    A bit of fun runabout?

    Alpine A290/Renault 5.

    All other answers are varying degrees of wrong.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,844
    There are bound to be MAGA people pledging Trump as Pope. Or at least demanding that the new Pope denounce heathen Europeans sinning against Him by having food standards or charging VAT
  • isamisam Posts: 41,261

    ydoethur said:

    Not exactly unexpected that the Pope has died, he looked pretty frail on Sunday.

    Sounds a bit morbid, but do we have any markets on his successor yet?

    How long after the pope death does the papal conclave take place?
    Will David Lammy have learned his lesson re black smoke?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,463

    ydoethur said:

    Not exactly unexpected that the Pope has died, he looked pretty frail on Sunday.

    Sounds a bit morbid, but do we have any markets on his successor yet?

    How long after the pope death does the papal conclave take place?
    Usually fifteen days, may be as many as twenty to allow time for travel (this is one reason why until the 1970s all the candidates lived in Rome).
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,190
    On topic: Farage is definitely a Purple Cobra, not an Average Joe.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,462
    An interesting move by Farage but he's only committing to supporting an SNP-led minority Government in Scotland, not independence.

    I suspect Farage sees Holyrood as not much more than an upmarket local council and after May it will be fascinating to see which way any newly elected Reform Councillors will jump if they find themselves in positions of either being the largest party or as "kingmakers" on any Council.

    We know all kinds of political permutations happen in local Government and it's often about getting rid of the old administration in favour of almost anything new. Given the Conservatives currently run most of the Councils up for election, you would think the opposition forces would be looking to put themselves in charge so could we see minority Reform administrations backed by Labour or vice versa?

    One thing all this will do (and this plays to Stodge's Twelfth Law of Politics which states "success means getting your hands dirty".) is it will weaken Reform's NOTA image once it becomes clear which way they will jump locally as that will become the standard for how they might jump nationally. Conservative-Liberal Democrat administrations weren't unknown in local Government before the coalition and we'll see if Reform's spoon is long enough to sup with Labour, the LDs, Greens and even the Tories.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,463

    ydoethur said:

    Not exactly unexpected that the Pope has died, he looked pretty frail on Sunday.

    Sounds a bit morbid, but do we have any markets on his successor yet?

    Do you think they might skip a couple of generations and go for Ollie?
    That would strengthen England's batting by allowing them to pick a capable no. 3. Although if Crawley is picked again it won't help much.

    There are bound to be MAGA people pledging Trump as Pope. Or at least demanding that the new Pope denounce heathen Europeans sinning against Him by having food standards or charging VAT

    Trump as pope sounds good. His insanity wouldn't be an issue as the cardinals will discreetly cover it up. And it would mean he isn't President any more, leaving somebody younger and saner, like JD Van...hang on, I've spotted a flaw in my reasoning.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,146
    Dura_Ace said:

    Roger said:


    Any suggestions for an electric car? Small but comfortable but not a Tesla. Someone said a BMW 3I but they dont make them anymore.

    A bit of fun runabout?

    Alpine A290/Renault 5.

    All other answers are varying degrees of wrong.
    The Renault 5 looks great - seems to have the perfect blend of nostalgia by keeping very close to the original but with enough modern touches.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,484

    There are bound to be MAGA people pledging Trump as Pope. Or at least demanding that the new Pope denounce heathen Europeans sinning against Him by having food standards or charging VAT

    You can get MAGA posters depicting Trump as Jesus Christ.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,246

    There are bound to be MAGA people pledging Trump as Pope. Or at least demanding that the new Pope denounce heathen Europeans sinning against Him by having food standards or charging VAT

    I hope the new Pope is a reformist and starts charging for confession. Just imagine how much gold and how many shiny windows they could get.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,603
    As for the article I think this is an excellent strategy from Farage. He has to maintain equidistance north and south of the border. He cannot oppose Labour and the Tories in England but cosy up to them in Scotland
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,463

    There are bound to be MAGA people pledging Trump as Pope. Or at least demanding that the new Pope denounce heathen Europeans sinning against Him by having food standards or charging VAT

    I hope the new Pope is a reformist and starts charging for confession. Just imagine how much gold and how many shiny windows they could get.
    https://youtu.be/35-j_bqZ278?si=rIlPUf-3Aed3I8xN
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,623
    Foxy said:

    On topic: Farage is definitely a Purple Cobra, not an Average Joe.

    Yay, somebody spotted my subtle Dodgeball reference in the headline.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,246
    Sean_F said:

    There are bound to be MAGA people pledging Trump as Pope. Or at least demanding that the new Pope denounce heathen Europeans sinning against Him by having food standards or charging VAT

    You can get MAGA posters depicting Trump as Jesus Christ.
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/President-Donald-Trump-Son-Man/dp/1977249752

    "During the presidency of President Donald Trump, it became evident to me that the prophecies about the Son of Man, as predicted by Jesus in the Bible were, to a significant extent, fulfilled at the hands of Mr Trump." - Helgard Muller
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,623
    Here’s a stat: If Liverpool hadn’t kicked another ball after beating Tottenham 6-3 on December 22, they would have still had more points (39) than Manchester United (38) currently have. That win in London was four months and 15 games ago.

    https://x.com/DominicKing_DM/status/1914060893417324921
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,463

    Here’s a stat: If Liverpool hadn’t kicked another ball after beating Tottenham 6-3 on December 22, they would have still had more points (39) than Manchester United (38) currently have. That win in London was four months and 15 games ago.

    https://x.com/DominicKing_DM/status/1914060893417324921

    I don't pay much attention to football. Do I get the feeling however that Manchester United have not had the best of seasons?
  • eekeek Posts: 29,707
    Dura_Ace said:

    Roger said:


    Any suggestions for an electric car? Small but comfortable but not a Tesla. Someone said a BMW 3I but they dont make them anymore.

    A bit of fun runabout?

    Alpine A290/Renault 5.

    All other answers are varying degrees of wrong.
    What Dura says - equally you are in France so any other option except for the Citroen C3 would be wrong and the latter isn’t great.

    Got to say I was tempted by the Renault 5 turbo but then I saw the price and 4 times the base model is pushing it a bit.

    Going to wait a while though as I want to see what the Renault 4 canvas roof is like in real life
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,623
    ydoethur said:

    Here’s a stat: If Liverpool hadn’t kicked another ball after beating Tottenham 6-3 on December 22, they would have still had more points (39) than Manchester United (38) currently have. That win in London was four months and 15 games ago.

    https://x.com/DominicKing_DM/status/1914060893417324921

    I don't pay much attention to football. Do I get the feeling however that Manchester United have not had the best of seasons?
    They've been utterly Simon Kerrigan in the league this season, in Europe they might win the Europa League.

    Says how competitive the Premier League is that out 15th and 16th best sides could contest the final of Europe's second competition.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,172

    There are bound to be MAGA people pledging Trump as Pope. Or at least demanding that the new Pope denounce heathen Europeans sinning against Him by having food standards or charging VAT

    I hope the new Pope is a reformist and starts charging for confession. Just imagine how much gold and how many shiny windows they could get.
    That’s how you get the Thirty Years War.

    True, you get St Peter’s as well…
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,299
    Taz said:

    As for the article I think this is an excellent strategy from Farage. He has to maintain equidistance north and south of the border. He cannot oppose Labour and the Tories in England but cosy up to them in Scotland

    The fanatical yoon tories (fuck those guys) are not the Fukker type anyway. NF has an almost Harley-Davidson level supernatural appreciation of the sensibilities of his customers. Your mean/mode/median Fukker voter, the type of person who texts 'WIN' to ITV 150 times/week, either doesn't give a fuck about Scotland or actively wants them to go.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,172

    ydoethur said:

    Not exactly unexpected that the Pope has died, he looked pretty frail on Sunday.

    Sounds a bit morbid, but do we have any markets on his successor yet?

    Not yet.
    Anyone offering odds on Paula Vennells?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,758
    Taz said:

    J.D. Vance met Pope Francis yesterday and the Pope died today, is Vance the new Liz Truss given the way Queen Elizabeth II died two days after meeting Truss?

    He needs to spend more time with Putin
    And whoever advises Trump on tariffs.
    That would be the same guy who Trump listens to on everything. Trump.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,172
    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    One part of the increase in Church attendances yesterday may be down to the Orthodox Easter being on the same date as the Western this year (it isn't always).

    Our local Church has evangelical groups and Christian services conducted in Tamil as well as the main Anglican service so there was a steady flow of traffic yesterday.

    To be fair, we have lots of faith(s) in East Ham - the mosques and other prayer places are busy on Fridays and you see the older more devout Muslims making the trek to the mosque at all hours. We have a local Sikh temple in the High Street as well which provides food (not quite a carvery in the Church but still).

    Our neighbours are Catholics so go to their Church every Sunday.

    I wouldn't say we were an agnostic or atheist nation at all and I don't know if the rise in attendance at Christian Churches is being matched at the places of worship of other faiths.

    As to why, in general, more people are turning toward religion I think we can all suggest the obvious reasons. Many religions do contain within them some very strong positive messages about individual morality and social cohesion (not all and there are many other less amenable messages to be blunt) so that in itself may be a cause for optimism but I have found professing a faith and living to the tenets of that faith aren't always one and the same thing.

    In West London, the boom in Catholicism seems to be driven by first generation immigrants. Though there is a good sprinkling of Education Catholics as well.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,190
    ydoethur said:

    Here’s a stat: If Liverpool hadn’t kicked another ball after beating Tottenham 6-3 on December 22, they would have still had more points (39) than Manchester United (38) currently have. That win in London was four months and 15 games ago.

    https://x.com/DominicKing_DM/status/1914060893417324921

    I don't pay much attention to football. Do I get the feeling however that Manchester United have not had the best of seasons?
    Better than my team, or Rishi Sunaks.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,246

    ydoethur said:

    Not exactly unexpected that the Pope has died, he looked pretty frail on Sunday.

    Sounds a bit morbid, but do we have any markets on his successor yet?

    Not yet.
    Anyone offering odds on Paula Vennells?
    Sure, I'll post them when I get to the office.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,593
    Officially good morning everyone.

    It's certainly different as a strategy,
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,336
    stodge said:

    An interesting move by Farage but he's only committing to supporting an SNP-led minority Government in Scotland, not independence.

    I suspect Farage sees Holyrood as not much more than an upmarket local council and after May it will be fascinating to see which way any newly elected Reform Councillors will jump if they find themselves in positions of either being the largest party or as "kingmakers" on any Council.

    We know all kinds of political permutations happen in local Government and it's often about getting rid of the old administration in favour of almost anything new. Given the Conservatives currently run most of the Councils up for election, you would think the opposition forces would be looking to put themselves in charge so could we see minority Reform administrations backed by Labour or vice versa?

    One thing all this will do (and this plays to Stodge's Twelfth Law of Politics which states "success means getting your hands dirty".) is it will weaken Reform's NOTA image once it becomes clear which way they will jump locally as that will become the standard for how they might jump nationally. Conservative-Liberal Democrat administrations weren't unknown in local Government before the coalition and we'll see if Reform's spoon is long enough to sup with Labour, the LDs, Greens and even the Tories.

    Heck, there's a almost-everyone-except-Labour coalition in Durham at the moment.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,299
    boulay said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Roger said:


    Any suggestions for an electric car? Small but comfortable but not a Tesla. Someone said a BMW 3I but they dont make them anymore.

    A bit of fun runabout?

    Alpine A290/Renault 5.

    All other answers are varying degrees of wrong.
    The Renault 5 looks great - seems to have the perfect blend of nostalgia by keeping very close to the original but with enough modern touches.
    I have decided I no longer have time or space to build my daily drivers from Copart wrecks or non-runners found in the large intestine of Facebook Marketplace. So I have bought my first ever brand new car - 150hp Renault 5 in Peroni/Jassaud yellow. The stock wheels are heavy cast junk so I'm putting OZ Racing Ultraleggeras on mine.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,296
    Taz said:

    As for the article I think this is an excellent strategy from Farage. He has to maintain equidistance north and south of the border. He cannot oppose Labour and the Tories in England but cosy up to them in Scotland

    As ever Nige's party (or in this case its Scotch iteration) are the last to know.

    Reform UK Scotland
    @ReformUKScot
    The feeling is mutual, John, there’s no way we’d work with your rotten separatist government 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇬🇧
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,467

    J.D. Vance met Pope Francis yesterday and the Pope died today, is Vance the new Liz Truss given the way Queen Elizabeth II died two days after meeting Truss?

    He needs to spend more time with Putin
    Ideally in a greenhouse.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,336
    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Casino_Royale Trump’s success is based upon peddling an immensely popular political message;

    “Someone else is to blame”, for one’s own failure to get what one thinks one is entitled to.

    Fascism, and extreme nationalism, are creeds for losers with power fantasies.

    See also RFK's eccentric approach to healthcare.

    The thing is, often nobody is to blame at an individual level. It's just the gods of chance acting randomly. Some throw 6-6, some throw 1-1 and a lot of politics boils down to how far the more fortunate have a duty to the less fortunate.

    But that message doesn't always go down well.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,190

    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    One part of the increase in Church attendances yesterday may be down to the Orthodox Easter being on the same date as the Western this year (it isn't always).

    Our local Church has evangelical groups and Christian services conducted in Tamil as well as the main Anglican service so there was a steady flow of traffic yesterday.

    To be fair, we have lots of faith(s) in East Ham - the mosques and other prayer places are busy on Fridays and you see the older more devout Muslims making the trek to the mosque at all hours. We have a local Sikh temple in the High Street as well which provides food (not quite a carvery in the Church but still).

    Our neighbours are Catholics so go to their Church every Sunday.

    I wouldn't say we were an agnostic or atheist nation at all and I don't know if the rise in attendance at Christian Churches is being matched at the places of worship of other faiths.

    As to why, in general, more people are turning toward religion I think we can all suggest the obvious reasons. Many religions do contain within them some very strong positive messages about individual morality and social cohesion (not all and there are many other less amenable messages to be blunt) so that in itself may be a cause for optimism but I have found professing a faith and living to the tenets of that faith aren't always one and the same thing.

    In West London, the boom in Catholicism seems to be driven by first generation immigrants. Though there is a good sprinkling of Education Catholics as well.
    That's a large part of it, but the new attenders at my church, both male and female are fairly typical average Brits.

    I don't think it is down to US style evangelicalism so much as a counter reaction to the Sixties and Seventies counter-culture. Similar to the way that youngsters drink less alcohol and are more chaste than their parents did.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,593
    FPT:

    dixiedean said:


    Tim Montgomerie 🇬🇧
    @montie
    ·
    8h
    I'm hearing this a lot. Many friends are reporting that Church attendance is growing - especiallly amongst men and in significant numbers

    https://x.com/montie/status/1913930243187834896

    Does he draw any inference from his unsupported anecdote?
    A source and a theory as to why would be interesting.
    But it isn't. Just the random burblings of an attention seeking hack bewildered by the utter chaos the Tories and Trump have caused implementing his ideology.
    If there is a God (spoiler no) he isn't on your team.
    I presume it is based upon this?

    A new report from The Bible Society suggests a resurgence of Christianity in the UK, driven primarily by young adults and particularly young men.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/bulletin/lifestyle/church-christianity-gen-z-easter-b2736265.html

    https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/church-christianity-gen-z-young-people-faith-god-easter-b2734957.html
    I think the bulleted list in the first of those pieces is quite good. And also the second piece is good, though she does not make the important note that the "Harbour Church, Folkestone" is an Assemblies of God Pentecostal church meeting in what I take to be a former, or leased, CofE building.

    This is the bulleted list. I would add things such as current high-tensions causing anxiety, the Dawkins new atheism balloon having deflated, and local Councils withdrawing many non-statutory social services so churches are one of the set of groups still out there doing the work and providing the services. There was a not dissimilar trend in the late 1970s / early 1980s, with some similarities - anxiety caused by Mrs Thatcher's policies, 3 million unemployed etc.

    - This shift is attributed to several factors, including a change in the perception of Christianity, a search for belonging, and the potential benefits for mental well-being.
    - Young Christians cite a sense of community, personal connection with God, and hope as key aspects of their faith.
    - The report also notes higher life satisfaction and lower stress levels among churchgoers compared to non-churchgoers.


  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,245
    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Casino_Royale Trump’s success is based upon peddling an immensely popular political message;

    “Someone else is to blame”, for one’s own failure to get what one thinks one is entitled to.

    Fascism, and extreme nationalism, are creeds for losers with power fantasies.

    I think there's more to it than that.

    Fundamentally, no-one else is felt to be dealing with many American voters social and economic insecurities (indeed, many of the other side sneer at or dismiss them) so this sort of appeal carries resonance.

    I wonder if language and rhetoric has a big part to play with it. Politicians seem to have lost the art of soothing and uniting and instead prefer to enrage to activate their base.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,486
    Omnium said:

    J.D. Vance met Pope Francis yesterday and the Pope died today, is Vance the new Liz Truss given the way Queen Elizabeth II died two days after meeting Truss?

    He needs to spend more time with Putin
    Ideally in a greenhouse.
    In the glasshouse more like
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,245
    Dura_Ace said:

    boulay said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Roger said:


    Any suggestions for an electric car? Small but comfortable but not a Tesla. Someone said a BMW 3I but they dont make them anymore.

    A bit of fun runabout?

    Alpine A290/Renault 5.

    All other answers are varying degrees of wrong.
    The Renault 5 looks great - seems to have the perfect blend of nostalgia by keeping very close to the original but with enough modern touches.
    I have decided I no longer have time or space to build my daily drivers from Copart wrecks or non-runners found in the large intestine of Facebook Marketplace. So I have bought my first ever brand new car - 150hp Renault 5 in Peroni/Jassaud yellow. The stock wheels are heavy cast junk so I'm putting OZ Racing Ultraleggeras on mine.
    Mint. Mine? Absolute anchor-grade cast alus, probably weigh more than a pair of 4-pot Brembos and a seized H22 block. Swapping those for OZ Racing Ultraleggeras—15x7 ET35 wrapped in 195/50R15 Pilot Sport 5s, torqued to spec with a Snap-On digital. Already shed 6kg per corner and I haven’t even touched the unsprung weight up front—thinking coilover swap to Bilstein B14s and maybe a hybrid ARB from the Clio RS Cup parts bin.

    Next step: EBC Yellowstuffs, braided HEL lines, DOT 5.1 flush, and possibly a cheeky remap via OBDLink MX+ and my guy who tunes with a laptop duct-taped to the passenger seat and a sixth sense for AFRs.

    This thing’s gonna be a sleeper spec canyon scalpel before the warranty even knows what hit it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,190
    edited April 21

    RIP Pope Francis. I didn't agree with everything he said, but from my agnostic position, he was a good, progressive pope.

    It does seem as if he has refreshed the College of Cardinals with a lot of like minded men.

    Not that I get a say in it. I am firmly Nonconformist Protestant.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,335

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Casino_Royale Trump’s success is based upon peddling an immensely popular political message;

    “Someone else is to blame”, for one’s own failure to get what one thinks one is entitled to.

    Fascism, and extreme nationalism, are creeds for losers with power fantasies.

    I think there's more to it than that.

    Fundamentally, no-one else is felt to be dealing with many American voters social and economic insecurities (indeed, many of the other side sneer at or dismiss them) so this sort of appeal carries resonance.

    I wonder if language and rhetoric has a big part to play with it. Politicians seem to have lost the art of soothing and uniting and instead prefer to enrage to activate their base.
    There won't be just one 'cause' as to why Trump won; there will be many causal factors. But IMV "The other is to blame!" is a biggie, as is selling simple answers to complex problems, and also messaging in the media and on the Internet. But people will pick their favourite ones according to the own personal political biases (including myself...)

    But at the end of the day, politicians have to deal with reality, and rhetoric can only get them so far - as Truss found, and Trump is finding out with the markets. Yet it seems the voters, on all sides, do not particularly want to hear about reality.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,296
    edited April 21
    Again on topic, has Farage actually visited Scotland since his last hilarious trip? He seems as nervous of travelling north of Gretna as Musk is of putting on a space suit.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,844

    Taz said:

    As for the article I think this is an excellent strategy from Farage. He has to maintain equidistance north and south of the border. He cannot oppose Labour and the Tories in England but cosy up to them in Scotland

    As ever Nige's party (or in this case its Scotch iteration) are the last to know.

    Reform UK Scotland
    @ReformUKScot
    The feeling is mutual, John, there’s no way we’d work with your rotten separatist government 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇬🇧
    He wasn’t offering to work with them. Just saying that given a choice he’d rather have the SNP than Labour.

    TBH I think this is a *very* clever play. Hoover up the SNP last time but ‘services are shit and “independence” isn’t the answer to why I can’t see a dentist’ voters. Of which there are many.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,777

    Dura_Ace said:

    boulay said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Roger said:


    Any suggestions for an electric car? Small but comfortable but not a Tesla. Someone said a BMW 3I but they dont make them anymore.

    A bit of fun runabout?

    Alpine A290/Renault 5.

    All other answers are varying degrees of wrong.
    The Renault 5 looks great - seems to have the perfect blend of nostalgia by keeping very close to the original but with enough modern touches.
    I have decided I no longer have time or space to build my daily drivers from Copart wrecks or non-runners found in the large intestine of Facebook Marketplace. So I have bought my first ever brand new car - 150hp Renault 5 in Peroni/Jassaud yellow. The stock wheels are heavy cast junk so I'm putting OZ Racing Ultraleggeras on mine.
    Mint. Mine? Absolute anchor-grade cast alus, probably weigh more than a pair of 4-pot Brembos and a seized H22 block. Swapping those for OZ Racing Ultraleggeras—15x7 ET35 wrapped in 195/50R15 Pilot Sport 5s, torqued to spec with a Snap-On digital. Already shed 6kg per corner and I haven’t even touched the unsprung weight up front—thinking coilover swap to Bilstein B14s and maybe a hybrid ARB from the Clio RS Cup parts bin.

    Next step: EBC Yellowstuffs, braided HEL lines, DOT 5.1 flush, and possibly a cheeky remap via OBDLink MX+ and my guy who tunes with a laptop duct-taped to the passenger seat and a sixth sense for AFRs.

    This thing’s gonna be a sleeper spec canyon scalpel before the warranty even knows what hit it.
    I barely understood a word of that. Is is something about a car?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,299

    Dura_Ace said:

    boulay said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Roger said:


    Any suggestions for an electric car? Small but comfortable but not a Tesla. Someone said a BMW 3I but they dont make them anymore.

    A bit of fun runabout?

    Alpine A290/Renault 5.

    All other answers are varying degrees of wrong.
    The Renault 5 looks great - seems to have the perfect blend of nostalgia by keeping very close to the original but with enough modern touches.
    I have decided I no longer have time or space to build my daily drivers from Copart wrecks or non-runners found in the large intestine of Facebook Marketplace. So I have bought my first ever brand new car - 150hp Renault 5 in Peroni/Jassaud yellow. The stock wheels are heavy cast junk so I'm putting OZ Racing Ultraleggeras on mine.
    Mint. Mine? Absolute anchor-grade cast alus, probably weigh more than a pair of 4-pot Brembos and a seized H22 block. Swapping those for OZ Racing Ultraleggeras—15x7 ET35 wrapped in 195/50R15 Pilot Sport 5s, torqued to spec with a Snap-On digital. Already shed 6kg per corner and I haven’t even touched the unsprung weight up front—thinking coilover swap to Bilstein B14s and maybe a hybrid ARB from the Clio RS Cup parts bin.

    Next step: EBC Yellowstuffs, braided HEL lines, DOT 5.1 flush, and possibly a cheeky remap via OBDLink MX+ and my guy who tunes with a laptop duct-taped to the passenger seat and a sixth sense for AFRs.

    This thing’s gonna be a sleeper spec canyon scalpel before the warranty even knows what hit it.
    Take it from somebody who actually is funny, you are not. So don't try.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,190
    Dura_Ace said:

    Taz said:

    As for the article I think this is an excellent strategy from Farage. He has to maintain equidistance north and south of the border. He cannot oppose Labour and the Tories in England but cosy up to them in Scotland

    The fanatical yoon tories (fuck those guys) are not the Fukker type anyway. NF has an almost Harley-Davidson level supernatural appreciation of the sensibilities of his customers. Your mean/mode/median Fukker voter, the type of person who texts 'WIN' to ITV 150 times/week, either doesn't give a fuck about Scotland or actively wants them to go.
    Yes, south of the Border Reffukkers are happy to see the Scots bugger off, so it won't be a bad move here. I don't think them fond of the Welsh either.

    How it affects the Reform vote in Scotland I don't know, but Reform seems on course to do well in Wales, particularly the valleys.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,512

    Again on topic, has Farage actually visited Scotland since his last hilarious trip? He seems as nervous of travelling north of Gretna as Musk is of putting on a space suit.

    A shit in a space suit is never a nice thing to contemplate...
  • Is the thread title a subtle Dodgeball quote?
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,035

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Casino_Royale Trump’s success is based upon peddling an immensely popular political message;

    “Someone else is to blame”, for one’s own failure to get what one thinks one is entitled to.

    Fascism, and extreme nationalism, are creeds for losers with power fantasies.

    I think there's more to it than that.

    Fundamentally, no-one else is felt to be dealing with many American voters social and economic insecurities (indeed, many of the other side sneer at or dismiss them) so this sort of appeal carries resonance.

    I wonder if language and rhetoric has a big part to play with it. Politicians seem to have lost the art of soothing and uniting and instead prefer to enrage to activate their base.
    The acid test will be whether he actually delivers what he has promised his supporters or it all proves to be hot air. My money is on the latter. The lies are merely the route to his own power and wealth. I doubt the downtrodden of the rustbelt states will be any better off when Trump leaves office but we know who will be.

    Similarly I am sanguine about Farage, it will be fascinating to watch him try to actually deliver on his promises instead of just riding the grievance train.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,463
    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Taz said:

    As for the article I think this is an excellent strategy from Farage. He has to maintain equidistance north and south of the border. He cannot oppose Labour and the Tories in England but cosy up to them in Scotland

    The fanatical yoon tories (fuck those guys) are not the Fukker type anyway. NF has an almost Harley-Davidson level supernatural appreciation of the sensibilities of his customers. Your mean/mode/median Fukker voter, the type of person who texts 'WIN' to ITV 150 times/week, either doesn't give a fuck about Scotland or actively wants them to go.
    Yes, south of the Border Reffukkers are happy to see the Scots bugger off, so it won't be a bad move here. I don't think them fond of the Welsh either.

    How it affects the Reform vote in Scotland I don't know, but Reform seems on course to do well in Wales, particularly the valleys.
    If the Fukkers break Labour's stranglehold of 103 years on the Welsh Valleys, then however much I despise Farage I will be forced to concede that he has accomplished something worthwhile in his otherwise pathetic existence.

    Equally, we should remember the next election will be under the monstrosity that is List PR so unless Labour suffer a Canadian Tories 93 style pounding they will still be the largest party.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,977
    Hardly surprising a nationalist party should have some sympathy with another nationalist party. Though Reform has ruled out Indyref2.

    "Reform UK rule out Scottish independence referendum | The National" https://www.thenational.scot/news/24955407.reform-uk-rule-scottish-independence-referendum/
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,463

    Is the thread title a subtle Dodgeball quote?

    No.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,623

    Is the thread title a subtle Dodgeball quote?

    Yes.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,511

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Casino_Royale Trump’s success is based upon peddling an immensely popular political message;

    “Someone else is to blame”, for one’s own failure to get what one thinks one is entitled to.

    Fascism, and extreme nationalism, are creeds for losers with power fantasies.

    I think there's more to it than that.

    Fundamentally, no-one else is felt to be dealing with many American voters social and economic insecurities (indeed, many of the other side sneer at or dismiss them) so this sort of appeal carries resonance.

    I wonder if language and rhetoric has a big part to play with it. Politicians seem to have lost the art of soothing and uniting and instead prefer to enrage to activate their base.
    There won't be just one 'cause' as to why Trump won; there will be many causal factors. But IMV "The other is to blame!" is a biggie, as is selling simple answers to complex problems, and also messaging in the media and on the Internet. But people will pick their favourite ones according to the own personal political biases (including myself...)

    But at the end of the day, politicians have to deal with reality, and rhetoric can only get them so far - as Truss found, and Trump is finding out with the markets. Yet it seems the voters, on all sides, do not particularly want to hear about reality.
    The reality, or 'reality' if you prefer, for millions of Americans is that Trump hates the people who hate them.

    And they form much of the MAGA base.

    Other Trump voting demographics have different motivations.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,876
    Makes a lot of sense to me. Reform can only knock out the Tories in Lab/Con marginals (which is most of the seats in play) if the Tories drop out - and they have no reason to do so.

    I am v sceptical of the idea that Reform could go past the Conservatives without even competing for many of the 120 Conservative seats. It is unlikely to establish a clear view of it being a Labour v Reform election among Cons 2024 voters. (2024 Reform voters don't care much about efficacy).



    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3lncsoryy5s2v
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,977
    RIP Pope Francis, a charismatic and empathetic Pope he will be missed.

    Means there will now be a new Pope as well as a new Archbishop of Canterbury
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,069

    J.D. Vance met Pope Francis yesterday and the Pope died today, is Vance the new Liz Truss given the way Queen Elizabeth II died two days after meeting Truss?

    The moment JD Vance assassinated the Woke Pope.


  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,557

    Again on topic, has Farage actually visited Scotland since his last hilarious trip? He seems as nervous of travelling north of Gretna as Musk is of putting on a space suit.

    A shit in a space suit is never a nice thing to contemplate...
    One surely has to at some point!

    And Good Morning all. Why is Easter Monday Bank Holiday always a miserable day, weather-wise? At least that's what my memory tells me.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,593

    J.D. Vance met Pope Francis yesterday and the Pope died today, is Vance the new Liz Truss given the way Queen Elizabeth II died two days after meeting Truss?

    The moment JD Vance assassinated the Woke Pope.


    A bit like Fruit Loop Liz and HMQ?
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,603
    Dura_Ace said:

    Taz said:

    As for the article I think this is an excellent strategy from Farage. He has to maintain equidistance north and south of the border. He cannot oppose Labour and the Tories in England but cosy up to them in Scotland

    The fanatical yoon tories (fuck those guys) are not the Fukker type anyway. NF has an almost Harley-Davidson level supernatural appreciation of the sensibilities of his customers. Your mean/mode/median Fukker voter, the type of person who texts 'WIN' to ITV 150 times/week, either doesn't give a fuck about Scotland or actively wants them to go.
    Well quite. Exactly how I see it but less eloquently.

    BTW that line about Text ‘WIN’ is a cracker. 😂😂😂
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,431

    J.D. Vance met Pope Francis yesterday and the Pope died today, is Vance the new Liz Truss given the way Queen Elizabeth II died two days after meeting Truss?

    The moment JD Vance assassinated the Woke Pope.


    Can you imagine this being your last audience on earth?

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,190
    OllyT said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Casino_Royale Trump’s success is based upon peddling an immensely popular political message;

    “Someone else is to blame”, for one’s own failure to get what one thinks one is entitled to.

    Fascism, and extreme nationalism, are creeds for losers with power fantasies.

    I think there's more to it than that.

    Fundamentally, no-one else is felt to be dealing with many American voters social and economic insecurities (indeed, many of the other side sneer at or dismiss them) so this sort of appeal carries resonance.

    I wonder if language and rhetoric has a big part to play with it. Politicians seem to have lost the art of soothing and uniting and instead prefer to enrage to activate their base.
    The acid test will be whether he actually delivers what he has promised his supporters or it all proves to be hot air. My money is on the latter. The lies are merely the route to his own power and wealth. I doubt the downtrodden of the rustbelt states will be any better off when Trump leaves office but we know who will be.

    Similarly I am sanguine about Farage, it will be fascinating to watch him try to actually deliver on his promises instead of just riding the grievance train.
    One lesson of history is that when people vote (or fight) for political change on the grounds that "things couldn't be worse" then things almost always start rapidly getting worse.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,431
    HYUFD said:

    RIP Pope Francis, a charismatic and empathetic Pope he will be missed.

    Means there will now be a new Pope as well as a new Archbishop of Canterbury

    I'm struggling to see the connection?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,977
    edited April 21
    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Taz said:

    As for the article I think this is an excellent strategy from Farage. He has to maintain equidistance north and south of the border. He cannot oppose Labour and the Tories in England but cosy up to them in Scotland

    The fanatical yoon tories (fuck those guys) are not the Fukker type anyway. NF has an almost Harley-Davidson level supernatural appreciation of the sensibilities of his customers. Your mean/mode/median Fukker voter, the type of person who texts 'WIN' to ITV 150 times/week, either doesn't give a fuck about Scotland or actively wants them to go.
    Yes, south of the Border Reffukkers are happy to see the Scots bugger off, so it won't be a bad move here. I don't think them fond of the Welsh either.

    How it affects the Reform vote in Scotland I don't know,
    but Reform seems on course
    to do well in Wales,
    particularly the valleys.
    Reform poll better in Wales
    than London and the South East
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,603
    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Casino_Royale Trump’s success is based upon peddling an immensely popular political message;

    “Someone else is to blame”, for one’s own failure to get what one thinks one is entitled to.

    Fascism, and extreme nationalism, are creeds for losers with power fantasies.

    How is it the fault of people in the rust belt their jobs have gone and nothing has replaced them or people cannot afford homes as there are not enough, or prices have gone through the roof.

    It is always blame the voters.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,504
    Dura_Ace said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    boulay said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Roger said:


    Any suggestions for an electric car? Small but comfortable but not a Tesla. Someone said a BMW 3I but they dont make them anymore.

    A bit of fun runabout?

    Alpine A290/Renault 5.

    All other answers are varying degrees of wrong.
    The Renault 5 looks great - seems to have the perfect blend of nostalgia by keeping very close to the original but with enough modern touches.
    I have decided I no longer have time or space to build my daily drivers from Copart wrecks or non-runners found in the large intestine of Facebook Marketplace. So I have bought my first ever brand new car - 150hp Renault 5 in Peroni/Jassaud yellow. The stock wheels are heavy cast junk so I'm putting OZ Racing Ultraleggeras on mine.
    Mint. Mine? Absolute anchor-grade cast alus, probably weigh more than a pair of 4-pot Brembos and a seized H22 block. Swapping those for OZ Racing Ultraleggeras—15x7 ET35 wrapped in 195/50R15 Pilot Sport 5s, torqued to spec with a Snap-On digital. Already shed 6kg per corner and I haven’t even touched the unsprung weight up front—thinking coilover swap to Bilstein B14s and maybe a hybrid ARB from the Clio RS Cup parts bin.

    Next step: EBC Yellowstuffs, braided HEL lines, DOT 5.1 flush, and possibly a cheeky remap via OBDLink MX+ and my guy who tunes with a laptop duct-taped to the passenger seat and a sixth sense for AFRs.

    This thing’s gonna be a sleeper spec canyon scalpel before the warranty even knows what hit it.
    Take it from somebody who actually is funny, you are not. So don't try.
    Give @Casino_Royale credit, that was quite good.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,336
    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    RIP Pope Francis, a charismatic and empathetic Pope he will be missed.

    Means there will now be a new Pope as well as a new Archbishop of Canterbury

    I'm struggling to see the connection?
    I suppose rationalisation by combining the posts is out of the question.

    Curse that self-perpetuating bureaucracy.
  • CollegeCollege Posts: 82
    Foxy said:

    RIP Pope Francis. I didn't agree with everything he said, but from my agnostic position, he was a good, progressive pope.

    It does seem as if he has refreshed the College of Cardinals with a lot of like minded men.
    That's what they say, and ~80% of the electors are his appointments, but none of the named frontrunners seem up to much (e.g. Tagle, Turkson, Parolin). So I hope the new guys can elect someone in Francis's mould.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,069
    Roger said:

    J.D. Vance met Pope Francis yesterday and the Pope died today, is Vance the new Liz Truss given the way Queen Elizabeth II died two days after meeting Truss?

    The moment JD Vance assassinated the Woke Pope.


    Can you imagine this being your last audience on earth?

    The Pope is not just the Lords representative of all people on earth, but all the animal Kingdom too. So I knew it had happened when a seagull was crying mournfully outside my window in the middle of the night. It was a knowing sad sad lament, and I knew it meant the Pope was dead, and I burst into tears.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,977
    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    RIP Pope Francis, a charismatic and empathetic Pope he will be missed.

    Means there will now be a new Pope as well as a new Archbishop of Canterbury

    I'm struggling to see the connection?
    Combined they lead over half global Christians.

    There must be a chance of the first female Archbishop and a non white Pope
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,557
    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    RIP Pope Francis, a charismatic and empathetic Pope he will be missed.

    Means there will now be a new Pope as well as a new Archbishop of Canterbury

    I'm struggling to see the connection?
    Combined they lead over half global Christians.

    There must be a chance of the first female Archbishop and a non white Pope
    The previous non-European Pope was a Syrian.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,876
    ydoethur said:

    Not exactly unexpected that the Pope has died, he looked pretty frail on Sunday.

    Sounds a bit morbid, but do we have any markets on his successor yet?

    Cardinal Pineapple Pizzaballa is in the running I believe. He has certain things in common with the eventual pope in the Conclave film, which is the reliable guide to how popes get selected.
  • (1/5)

    I had a chat with my parents yesterday who are life long Tories but who abandoned them in 2024 to Lib Dems and no vote.

    What was interesting is that nether of them thought Farage would ever win an election. “Too marmite”. “Doesn’t stand for anything”. “None of the above candidate”.

    I wonder if Farage’s support splinters as soon as it’s clear that he’s not just a protest vote.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,484
    Taz said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Casino_Royale Trump’s success is based upon peddling an immensely popular political message;

    “Someone else is to blame”, for one’s own failure to get what one thinks one is entitled to.

    Fascism, and extreme nationalism, are creeds for losers with power fantasies.

    How is it the fault of people in the rust belt their jobs have gone and nothing has replaced them or people cannot afford homes as there are not enough, or prices have gone through the roof.

    It is always blame the voters.
    Most Trump voters are comfortably off, in material terms. But, they think they deserve more, and they resent gains made by people they despise.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,977

    There are bound to be MAGA people pledging Trump as Pope. Or at least demanding that the new Pope denounce heathen Europeans sinning against Him by having food standards or charging VAT

    Trump is Protestant and not celibate so ineligible
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,359
    Sir John Curtice on party prospects in the Local elections:

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/john-curtice-reform-uk-just-35081777
  • flanner2flanner2 Posts: 16
    HYUFD said:

    There are bound to be MAGA people pledging Trump as Pope. Or at least demanding that the new Pope denounce heathen Europeans sinning against Him by having food standards or charging VAT

    Trump is Protestant and not celibate so ineligible
    There has NEVER been a requirement for the Pope to be celibate. How could we have had the Reformation if there'd ever been one?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,146

    (1/5)

    I had a chat with my parents yesterday who are life long Tories but who abandoned them in 2024 to Lib Dems and no vote.

    What was interesting is that nether of them thought Farage would ever win an election. “Too marmite”. “Doesn’t stand for anything”. “None of the above candidate”.

    I wonder if Farage’s support splinters as soon as it’s clear that he’s not just a protest vote.

    Hurry up, I can’t wait to read 2/5, 3/5, 4/5 and 5/5. You tease us by telegraphing incoming posts, so mean.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,511
    Sean_F said:

    Taz said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Casino_Royale Trump’s success is based upon peddling an immensely popular political message;

    “Someone else is to blame”, for one’s own failure to get what one thinks one is entitled to.

    Fascism, and extreme nationalism, are creeds for losers with power fantasies.

    How is it the fault of people in the rust belt their jobs have gone and nothing has replaced them or people cannot afford homes as there are not enough, or prices have gone through the roof.

    It is always blame the voters.
    Most Trump voters are comfortably off, in material terms. But, they think they deserve more, and they resent gains made by people they despise.
    I think there's a difference between most Trump voters who are varying GOP voters and the MAGA base.

    With the MAGA base being full of hatreds or thinking that they are themselves hated (sometimes with justification).
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,359
    Roger said:

    Pope Francis spent his final Easter yesterday bearing witness to the faith he devoted his life to — a quiet presence at a time when the world needed humility, courage, and conviction.

    His death on Easter Monday feels especially poignant. He reminded us that leadership isn’t about power, but about service. When I met him in 2022, he spoke warmly of the UK and the values we share. In a world that too often turns away from faith, he stood firm. May he rest in peace.


    https://x.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1914242754575507902

    Well written by KB. In fact quite surprising
    Yes, it struck me as thoughtfully composed too.

    Background on her faith:

    https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/kemi-badenoch-new-conservative-party-leader-chosen
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,463
    flanner2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    There are bound to be MAGA people pledging Trump as Pope. Or at least demanding that the new Pope denounce heathen Europeans sinning against Him by having food standards or charging VAT

    Trump is Protestant and not celibate so ineligible
    There has NEVER been a requirement for the Pope to be celibate. How could we have had the Reformation if there'd ever been one?
    It's Borgia-ing on ludicrous to suggest all popes have been celibate.
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