If Canada and the UK and Oz etc do unite we must surely call it the
Federal Union of Commonwealth Kingdoms
Greater Britain
Empire Redux.
The Making the Globe Pink Again Empire. Perhaps they could even get a float at Pride parades.
Except this new bloc has a strong hetero vibe. It's all the countries Bond would have considered sound minus the USA.
Canada provided for same sex marriage in 2005, the fourth country in the world to do so. The UK in 2014, the fourteenth.
It is not yet legal in India or Nigeria.
Such a union couldn't just be based on friendly liberal pats on the back over gay marriage.
I was responding to the suggestion that such a union carried the unsavoury odour of heterosexuality.
Yes, I didn't really get kinabalu's point there? How are Canada and Australia more heterosexual than other countries? And why is this unsavoury if it's true?
...I can see a world of difference between people who are seriously and medically altering their bodies to become the gender they believe they really are, and a bloke wearing a frock and a wig...
...Perhaps a certificate to recognise the ressignment of gender would have been useful to distinguish between the two groups. But after the Supreme Court decision it appears such an instrument bestows no rights enforceable in a court...
The GRC was meant to be the State saying “we recognise that you wish to be treated as X”.
That shouldn’t undermine the rights of women.
What has happened here is a small group of trans activists aggressively pushing their agenda (selfID) regardless of the rights of others. It has ended up with a bright line being drawn that is not necessarily to their advantage.
Pre/post op - while I’m sure not 100% perfect in all cases - was always the simplest “test” for determining the right to access women-only spaces
Quite so
How many people have good post op trans friends on here? I do. Julia nee Julian. Met him (then) at uni, he transitioned in his 30s, he went through two years of living as a woman before the NHS would agree to surgery and give him/her a GRC
He is now she and just got married to her female partner. She is happily she
She’s livid about the modern breed of TRAs and the demands for self id without surgery etc. She thinks it’s mad and bad for trans women like her and she says the old system worked fine
So there you go. Take it up with HER
Last time you mentioned her she was a pipe-smoking man in his forties before transition. Try to keep the details consistent (incidentally you add more details over time: I don't know if that means you're making it up or that you are not).
But this brings us back to my question of earlier in the week: does she shit in the Ladies or the Gents? According to the SC ruling she is a biological male whose legal rights are not changed by her GRC and no longer has the right to enter female single-sex spaces. Consequently will you make her poo in the boys' toilets or does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception?
I really did not say this you lying fuck
The story is true and it stayed consistent for that reason
Grrrr
I'm pretty sure you mentioned pipe-smoking, which Is why I remember it: it was such an odd detail. You stated off with a taxi-driver friend who had said something, then mentioned a transitioning grandchild of acquaintances who were distressed, then mentioned a friend, then you said you had driven that friend to the hospital for surgery, and now you have named her both before-and-after Given your prediliction for escalation, I assumed the next iteration is for you to have cut her cock off with a rusty knife and an elastic band, but that's up to you.
But you haven't answered my question: should she shit in the Ladies' or Gents' now? Does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception in your eyes?
Oh do fuck off
1. She (then he) was one of my best friends at uni - still a good friend 2. She supported (still does) Leicester city - her hometown 3. Born Julian now Julia 4. Transitioned in her 30s. Was before quite stereotypically male in some ways, even smoked a pipe at one point, also loved snooker darts etc 5. Did her op at Charing X hospital where I went to see her during the process 6. Did her two years living as woman, then got op on NHS and GRC and has lived as a woman, with relative happiness, and no apparent regrets, ever since 7. Her attitudes to modern TRAs are exactly as I say 8. She recently married her long term female partner (we all guessed they were in an intimate relationship but for some reason they would never talk about it - I’m glad she has now for her/their sake)
There. That’s it. That’s the case. I resent the imputation I’m lying so go fuck yourself with a fossilised baseball bat, twat
I wasn't implying you were lying. I was implying you escalated your anecdotes in a drug filled haze, which you do. You live in a colorful world flitting hither and yon like a drunken butterfly and relate anecdotes similarly embroidered. It is not possible at any given moment to tell whether you are lying, high, or simply relating extraordinary facts.
You absolutely implied I was lying. Any pb-er can read for themselves upthread. Turns out I wasn’t lying, you were, and now you’re lying about your lying
A good days work. Well done
Thank you. But I'm afraid you are incorrect. In fact, you are lying about me lying about your lying about me lying.
In all the kerfuffle he never did answer your question. Method in the madness.
This malodorous fuckmuppet @viewcode was falsely accusing me of lies in a fairly odious way. I wasn’t even aware of a question
The question was as follows:
"...But this brings us back to my question of earlier in the week: does she shit in the Ladies or the Gents? According to the SC ruling she is a biological male whose legal rights are not changed by her GRC and no longer has the right to enter female single-sex spaces. Consequently will you make her poo in the boys' toilets or does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception?..."
And this is the third time I have asked you today, and the fourth time since the ruling. (The "your friend Lauren" refers to RochdalePioneer's insistence that his trans woman friend Lauren should be allowed to use the girls' loos because reasons)
You become more grotesque with each iteration of this debate
Do you go around asking your friends - especially those of a trans disposition - “hey, where do you actually shit”? Do you? If you do I suspect you’re like several other PBers and have almost zero friends. And here we see why. Perhaps you could get a dog, or talk to @kinabalu. He needs a friend too
Amazingly enough I’m never going to ask a good friend - one of many good friends I am lucky to have - “hey where do you shit”
But if forced to hazard a guess I’d say 99.99% she uses the ladies because she is a post op trans woman and presents zero threat. You might claim this is some logical inconsistency and perhaps it is, but until about five years ago I believe this was all self policing and worked as well as such a thing can. Humanity is not logical or perfect
But then came along a bunch of weird men who wanted access to women’s only spaces while remaining - sometimes obviously - men. And for some bizarre reason half the woke left decided to support these lunatic cranks - and have now met with disaster
So, peering through the blather, you recognise and decry this as a major reversal of trans rights and blame it on the hyperactive zealotry of those campaigning to extend them too far.
I have it?
It’s ‘Trump is the fault of Woke libtards, not the people who voted for him’ all over again.
People voted for him because of Woke libtards.
This really isn't difficult.
There are lots of Americans who pretend to be very concerned with women's rights when it comes to trans people, who are absolutely silent when *their* side tramples over the rights of women. And the rights of women are being utterly trampled over in the USA.
It depends where you live. Something which the modern British mind really struggled with.
Notwithstanding that Northern Ireland proves the point even domestically.
For all those talking about CANZUK or its variants, the YouTuber "hypohystericalhistory" did a really interesting video the other day, which I link to below. Warning: it is nearly three hours long.
If Canada and the UK and Oz etc do unite we must surely call it the
Federal Union of Commonwealth Kingdoms
Greater Britain
Empire Redux.
The Making the Globe Pink Again Empire. Perhaps they could even get a float at Pride parades.
Except this new bloc has a strong hetero vibe. It's all the countries Bond would have considered sound minus the USA.
Canada provided for same sex marriage in 2005, the fourth country in the world to do so. The UK in 2014, the fourteenth.
It is not yet legal in India or Nigeria.
Such a union couldn't just be based on friendly liberal pats on the back over gay marriage.
I was responding to the suggestion that such a union carried the unsavoury odour of heterosexuality.
Yes, I didn't really get kinabalu's point there? How are Canada and Australia more heterosexual than other countries? And why is this unsavoury if it's true?
Canada? C'mon, we all saw the Monty Python documentary about lumberjacks. We KNOW they all like to put on women's clothing and hang around in bars.
Liz Truss in talks with senior Reform figures (Times).
This will end in tears. The Fukkers unequivocally need an attention seeking gobshite to be heard. What they can't have is two.
Maybe she thinks Farage won't betray and discard her. I mean she thought she could be PM so she does have vivid imagination utterly unmoored from the actuality.
If Canada and the UK and Oz etc do unite we must surely call it the
Federal Union of Commonwealth Kingdoms
Greater Britain
Empire Redux.
The Making the Globe Pink Again Empire. Perhaps they could even get a float at Pride parades.
Except this new bloc has a strong hetero vibe. It's all the countries Bond would have considered sound minus the USA.
Canada provided for same sex marriage in 2005, the fourth country in the world to do so. The UK in 2014, the fourteenth.
It is not yet legal in India or Nigeria.
Such a union couldn't just be based on friendly liberal pats on the back over gay marriage.
I was responding to the suggestion that such a union carried the unsavoury odour of heterosexuality.
Yes, I didn't really get kinabalu's point there? How are Canada and Australia more heterosexual than other countries? And why is this unsavoury if it's true?
The reason Brits always add Oz and NZ to Canada as a potential political marriage partner is because Brits want to have the option of somewhere warm and sunny to go. Australia
For all its many virtues Canada doesn’t provide that
...I can see a world of difference between people who are seriously and medically altering their bodies to become the gender they believe they really are, and a bloke wearing a frock and a wig...
...Perhaps a certificate to recognise the ressignment of gender would have been useful to distinguish between the two groups. But after the Supreme Court decision it appears such an instrument bestows no rights enforceable in a court...
The GRC was meant to be the State saying “we recognise that you wish to be treated as X”.
That shouldn’t undermine the rights of women.
What has happened here is a small group of trans activists aggressively pushing their agenda (selfID) regardless of the rights of others. It has ended up with a bright line being drawn that is not necessarily to their advantage.
Pre/post op - while I’m sure not 100% perfect in all cases - was always the simplest “test” for determining the right to access women-only spaces
Quite so
How many people have good post op trans friends on here? I do. Julia nee Julian. Met him (then) at uni, he transitioned in his 30s, he went through two years of living as a woman before the NHS would agree to surgery and give him/her a GRC
He is now she and just got married to her female partner. She is happily she
She’s livid about the modern breed of TRAs and the demands for self id without surgery etc. She thinks it’s mad and bad for trans women like her and she says the old system worked fine
So there you go. Take it up with HER
Last time you mentioned her she was a pipe-smoking man in his forties before transition. Try to keep the details consistent (incidentally you add more details over time: I don't know if that means you're making it up or that you are not).
But this brings us back to my question of earlier in the week: does she shit in the Ladies or the Gents? According to the SC ruling she is a biological male whose legal rights are not changed by her GRC and no longer has the right to enter female single-sex spaces. Consequently will you make her poo in the boys' toilets or does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception?
I really did not say this you lying fuck
The story is true and it stayed consistent for that reason
Grrrr
I'm pretty sure you mentioned pipe-smoking, which Is why I remember it: it was such an odd detail. You stated off with a taxi-driver friend who had said something, then mentioned a transitioning grandchild of acquaintances who were distressed, then mentioned a friend, then you said you had driven that friend to the hospital for surgery, and now you have named her both before-and-after Given your prediliction for escalation, I assumed the next iteration is for you to have cut her cock off with a rusty knife and an elastic band, but that's up to you.
But you haven't answered my question: should she shit in the Ladies' or Gents' now? Does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception in your eyes?
Oh do fuck off
1. She (then he) was one of my best friends at uni - still a good friend 2. She supported (still does) Leicester city - her hometown 3. Born Julian now Julia 4. Transitioned in her 30s. Was before quite stereotypically male in some ways, even smoked a pipe at one point, also loved snooker darts etc 5. Did her op at Charing X hospital where I went to see her during the process 6. Did her two years living as woman, then got op on NHS and GRC and has lived as a woman, with relative happiness, and no apparent regrets, ever since 7. Her attitudes to modern TRAs are exactly as I say 8. She recently married her long term female partner (we all guessed they were in an intimate relationship but for some reason they would never talk about it - I’m glad she has now for her/their sake)
There. That’s it. That’s the case. I resent the imputation I’m lying so go fuck yourself with a fossilised baseball bat, twat
I wasn't implying you were lying. I was implying you escalated your anecdotes in a drug filled haze, which you do. You live in a colorful world flitting hither and yon like a drunken butterfly and relate anecdotes similarly embroidered. It is not possible at any given moment to tell whether you are lying, high, or simply relating extraordinary facts.
You absolutely implied I was lying. Any pb-er can read for themselves upthread. Turns out I wasn’t lying, you were, and now you’re lying about your lying
A good days work. Well done
Thank you. But I'm afraid you are incorrect. In fact, you are lying about me lying about your lying about me lying.
In all the kerfuffle he never did answer your question. Method in the madness.
This malodorous fuckmuppet @viewcode was falsely accusing me of lies in a fairly odious way. I wasn’t even aware of a question
The question was as follows:
"...But this brings us back to my question of earlier in the week: does she shit in the Ladies or the Gents? According to the SC ruling she is a biological male whose legal rights are not changed by her GRC and no longer has the right to enter female single-sex spaces. Consequently will you make her poo in the boys' toilets or does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception?..."
And this is the third time I have asked you today, and the fourth time since the ruling. (The "your friend Lauren" refers to RochdalePioneer's insistence that his trans woman friend Lauren should be allowed to use the girls' loos because reasons)
You become more grotesque with each iteration of this debate
Do you go around asking your friends - especially those of a trans disposition - “hey, where do you actually shit”? Do you? If you do I suspect you’re like several other PBers and have almost zero friends. And here we see why. Perhaps you could get a dog, or talk to @kinabalu. He needs a friend too
Amazingly enough I’m never going to ask a good friend - one of many good friends I am lucky to have - “hey where do you shit”
But if forced to hazard a guess I’d say 99.99% she uses the ladies because she is a post op trans woman and presents zero threat. You might claim this is some logical inconsistency and perhaps it is, but until about five years ago I believe this was all self policing and worked as well as such a thing can. Humanity is not logical or perfect
But then came along a bunch of weird men who wanted access to women’s only spaces while remaining - sometimes obviously - men. And for some bizarre reason half the woke left decided to support these lunatic cranks - and have now met with disaster
So, peering through the blather, you recognise and decry this as a major reversal of trans rights and blame it on the hyperactive zealotry of those campaigning to extend them too far.
I have it?
It’s ‘Trump is the fault of Woke libtards, not the people who voted for him’ all over again.
People voted for him because of Woke libtards.
This really isn't difficult.
There are lots of Americans who pretend to be very concerned with women's rights when it comes to trans people, who are absolutely silent when *their* side tramples over the rights of women. And the rights of women are being utterly trampled over in the USA.
...I can see a world of difference between people who are seriously and medically altering their bodies to become the gender they believe they really are, and a bloke wearing a frock and a wig...
...Perhaps a certificate to recognise the ressignment of gender would have been useful to distinguish between the two groups. But after the Supreme Court decision it appears such an instrument bestows no rights enforceable in a court...
The GRC was meant to be the State saying “we recognise that you wish to be treated as X”.
That shouldn’t undermine the rights of women.
What has happened here is a small group of trans activists aggressively pushing their agenda (selfID) regardless of the rights of others. It has ended up with a bright line being drawn that is not necessarily to their advantage.
Pre/post op - while I’m sure not 100% perfect in all cases - was always the simplest “test” for determining the right to access women-only spaces
Quite so
How many people have good post op trans friends on here? I do. Julia nee Julian. Met him (then) at uni, he transitioned in his 30s, he went through two years of living as a woman before the NHS would agree to surgery and give him/her a GRC
He is now she and just got married to her female partner. She is happily she
She’s livid about the modern breed of TRAs and the demands for self id without surgery etc. She thinks it’s mad and bad for trans women like her and she says the old system worked fine
So there you go. Take it up with HER
Last time you mentioned her she was a pipe-smoking man in his forties before transition. Try to keep the details consistent (incidentally you add more details over time: I don't know if that means you're making it up or that you are not).
But this brings us back to my question of earlier in the week: does she shit in the Ladies or the Gents? According to the SC ruling she is a biological male whose legal rights are not changed by her GRC and no longer has the right to enter female single-sex spaces. Consequently will you make her poo in the boys' toilets or does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception?
I really did not say this you lying fuck
The story is true and it stayed consistent for that reason
Grrrr
I'm pretty sure you mentioned pipe-smoking, which Is why I remember it: it was such an odd detail. You stated off with a taxi-driver friend who had said something, then mentioned a transitioning grandchild of acquaintances who were distressed, then mentioned a friend, then you said you had driven that friend to the hospital for surgery, and now you have named her both before-and-after Given your prediliction for escalation, I assumed the next iteration is for you to have cut her cock off with a rusty knife and an elastic band, but that's up to you.
But you haven't answered my question: should she shit in the Ladies' or Gents' now? Does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception in your eyes?
Oh do fuck off
1. She (then he) was one of my best friends at uni - still a good friend 2. She supported (still does) Leicester city - her hometown 3. Born Julian now Julia 4. Transitioned in her 30s. Was before quite stereotypically male in some ways, even smoked a pipe at one point, also loved snooker darts etc 5. Did her op at Charing X hospital where I went to see her during the process 6. Did her two years living as woman, then got op on NHS and GRC and has lived as a woman, with relative happiness, and no apparent regrets, ever since 7. Her attitudes to modern TRAs are exactly as I say 8. She recently married her long term female partner (we all guessed they were in an intimate relationship but for some reason they would never talk about it - I’m glad she has now for her/their sake)
There. That’s it. That’s the case. I resent the imputation I’m lying so go fuck yourself with a fossilised baseball bat, twat
Do you really expect us to believe you have friends?
...I can see a world of difference between people who are seriously and medically altering their bodies to become the gender they believe they really are, and a bloke wearing a frock and a wig...
...Perhaps a certificate to recognise the ressignment of gender would have been useful to distinguish between the two groups. But after the Supreme Court decision it appears such an instrument bestows no rights enforceable in a court...
The GRC was meant to be the State saying “we recognise that you wish to be treated as X”.
That shouldn’t undermine the rights of women.
What has happened here is a small group of trans activists aggressively pushing their agenda (selfID) regardless of the rights of others. It has ended up with a bright line being drawn that is not necessarily to their advantage.
Pre/post op - while I’m sure not 100% perfect in all cases - was always the simplest “test” for determining the right to access women-only spaces
Quite so
How many people have good post op trans friends on here? I do. Julia nee Julian. Met him (then) at uni, he transitioned in his 30s, he went through two years of living as a woman before the NHS would agree to surgery and give him/her a GRC
He is now she and just got married to her female partner. She is happily she
She’s livid about the modern breed of TRAs and the demands for self id without surgery etc. She thinks it’s mad and bad for trans women like her and she says the old system worked fine
So there you go. Take it up with HER
Last time you mentioned her she was a pipe-smoking man in his forties before transition. Try to keep the details consistent (incidentally you add more details over time: I don't know if that means you're making it up or that you are not).
But this brings us back to my question of earlier in the week: does she shit in the Ladies or the Gents? According to the SC ruling she is a biological male whose legal rights are not changed by her GRC and no longer has the right to enter female single-sex spaces. Consequently will you make her poo in the boys' toilets or does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception?
I really did not say this you lying fuck
The story is true and it stayed consistent for that reason
Grrrr
I'm pretty sure you mentioned pipe-smoking, which Is why I remember it: it was such an odd detail. You stated off with a taxi-driver friend who had said something, then mentioned a transitioning grandchild of acquaintances who were distressed, then mentioned a friend, then you said you had driven that friend to the hospital for surgery, and now you have named her both before-and-after Given your prediliction for escalation, I assumed the next iteration is for you to have cut her cock off with a rusty knife and an elastic band, but that's up to you.
But you haven't answered my question: should she shit in the Ladies' or Gents' now? Does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception in your eyes?
Oh do fuck off
1. She (then he) was one of my best friends at uni - still a good friend 2. She supported (still does) Leicester city - her hometown 3. Born Julian now Julia 4. Transitioned in her 30s. Was before quite stereotypically male in some ways, even smoked a pipe at one point, also loved snooker darts etc 5. Did her op at Charing X hospital where I went to see her during the process 6. Did her two years living as woman, then got op on NHS and GRC and has lived as a woman, with relative happiness, and no apparent regrets, ever since 7. Her attitudes to modern TRAs are exactly as I say 8. She recently married her long term female partner (we all guessed they were in an intimate relationship but for some reason they would never talk about it - I’m glad she has now for her/their sake)
There. That’s it. That’s the case. I resent the imputation I’m lying so go fuck yourself with a fossilised baseball bat, twat
I wasn't implying you were lying. I was implying you escalated your anecdotes in a drug filled haze, which you do. You live in a colorful world flitting hither and yon like a drunken butterfly and relate anecdotes similarly embroidered. It is not possible at any given moment to tell whether you are lying, high, or simply relating extraordinary facts.
You absolutely implied I was lying. Any pb-er can read for themselves upthread. Turns out I wasn’t lying, you were, and now you’re lying about your lying
A good days work. Well done
Thank you. But I'm afraid you are incorrect. In fact, you are lying about me lying about your lying about me lying.
In all the kerfuffle he never did answer your question. Method in the madness.
This malodorous fuckmuppet @viewcode was falsely accusing me of lies in a fairly odious way. I wasn’t even aware of a question
The question was as follows:
"...But this brings us back to my question of earlier in the week: does she shit in the Ladies or the Gents? According to the SC ruling she is a biological male whose legal rights are not changed by her GRC and no longer has the right to enter female single-sex spaces. Consequently will you make her poo in the boys' toilets or does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception?..."
And this is the third time I have asked you today, and the fourth time since the ruling. (The "your friend Lauren" refers to RochdalePioneer's insistence that his trans woman friend Lauren should be allowed to use the girls' loos because reasons)
You become more grotesque with each iteration of this debate
Do you go around asking your friends - especially those of a trans disposition - “hey, where do you actually shit”? Do you? If you do I suspect you’re like several other PBers and have almost zero friends. And here we see why. Perhaps you could get a dog, or talk to @kinabalu. He needs a friend too
Amazingly enough I’m never going to ask a good friend - one of many good friends I am lucky to have - “hey where do you shit”
But if forced to hazard a guess I’d say 99.99% she uses the ladies because she is a post op trans woman and presents zero threat. You might claim this is some logical inconsistency and perhaps it is, but until about five years ago I believe this was all self policing and worked as well as such a thing can. Humanity is not logical or perfect
But then came along a bunch of weird men who wanted access to women’s only spaces while remaining - sometimes obviously - men. And for some bizarre reason half the woke left decided to support these lunatic cranks - and have now met with disaster
So, peering through the blather, you recognise and decry this as a major reversal of trans rights and blame it on the hyperactive zealotry of those campaigning to extend them too far.
I have it?
It’s ‘Trump is the fault of Woke libtards, not the people who voted for him’ all over again.
People voted for him because of Woke libtards.
This really isn't difficult.
There are lots of Americans who pretend to be very concerned with women's rights when it comes to trans people, who are absolutely silent when *their* side tramples over the rights of women. And the rights of women are being utterly trampled over in the USA.
It depends where you live. Something which the modern British mind really struggled with.
Notwithstanding that Northern Ireland proves the point even domestically.
Sunil's Greater Anglosphere, Fun Facts:
492 million people 28.7 million sq. km. (11.1 million sq. miles)
128 States and seats on the Federal Council 56 "Left", 47 "Right", 25 "Other" (per most recent elections) 801 seats in the Electoral College 417 "Left", 363 "Right", 21 "Other" (per most recent elections)
England most populous State (56 million people) Pitcairn least populous State (47 people) Western Australia largest area: 2,527,013 sq. km. (975,685 sq. miles) Sark smallest area: 5 sq. km. (2 sq. miles)
76% speak English as main/home language $37.665 trillion GDP ($76,510 per capita) 508 cities of 100,000 people or more 23 cities of 1,000,000 or more London and New York more than 8,000,000
190 airports each serving at least 1,000,000 passengers in 2023 19 airlines with widebody jets, a total of 955 widebodies 128,000 km. (80,000 miles) of passenger railways, serving 14,400 stations
89 Submarines, including 22 ballistic 24 aircraft and helicopter carriers 152 major surface ships 82 large patrol vessels 3,421 jet fighters and bombers 2,817 main battle tanks
...I can see a world of difference between people who are seriously and medically altering their bodies to become the gender they believe they really are, and a bloke wearing a frock and a wig...
...Perhaps a certificate to recognise the ressignment of gender would have been useful to distinguish between the two groups. But after the Supreme Court decision it appears such an instrument bestows no rights enforceable in a court...
The GRC was meant to be the State saying “we recognise that you wish to be treated as X”.
That shouldn’t undermine the rights of women.
What has happened here is a small group of trans activists aggressively pushing their agenda (selfID) regardless of the rights of others. It has ended up with a bright line being drawn that is not necessarily to their advantage.
Pre/post op - while I’m sure not 100% perfect in all cases - was always the simplest “test” for determining the right to access women-only spaces
Quite so
How many people have good post op trans friends on here? I do. Julia nee Julian. Met him (then) at uni, he transitioned in his 30s, he went through two years of living as a woman before the NHS would agree to surgery and give him/her a GRC
He is now she and just got married to her female partner. She is happily she
She’s livid about the modern breed of TRAs and the demands for self id without surgery etc. She thinks it’s mad and bad for trans women like her and she says the old system worked fine
So there you go. Take it up with HER
Last time you mentioned her she was a pipe-smoking man in his forties before transition. Try to keep the details consistent (incidentally you add more details over time: I don't know if that means you're making it up or that you are not).
But this brings us back to my question of earlier in the week: does she shit in the Ladies or the Gents? According to the SC ruling she is a biological male whose legal rights are not changed by her GRC and no longer has the right to enter female single-sex spaces. Consequently will you make her poo in the boys' toilets or does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception?
I really did not say this you lying fuck
The story is true and it stayed consistent for that reason
Grrrr
I'm pretty sure you mentioned pipe-smoking, which Is why I remember it: it was such an odd detail. You stated off with a taxi-driver friend who had said something, then mentioned a transitioning grandchild of acquaintances who were distressed, then mentioned a friend, then you said you had driven that friend to the hospital for surgery, and now you have named her both before-and-after Given your prediliction for escalation, I assumed the next iteration is for you to have cut her cock off with a rusty knife and an elastic band, but that's up to you.
But you haven't answered my question: should she shit in the Ladies' or Gents' now? Does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception in your eyes?
Oh do fuck off
1. She (then he) was one of my best friends at uni - still a good friend 2. She supported (still does) Leicester city - her hometown 3. Born Julian now Julia 4. Transitioned in her 30s. Was before quite stereotypically male in some ways, even smoked a pipe at one point, also loved snooker darts etc 5. Did her op at Charing X hospital where I went to see her during the process 6. Did her two years living as woman, then got op on NHS and GRC and has lived as a woman, with relative happiness, and no apparent regrets, ever since 7. Her attitudes to modern TRAs are exactly as I say 8. She recently married her long term female partner (we all guessed they were in an intimate relationship but for some reason they would never talk about it - I’m glad she has now for her/their sake)
There. That’s it. That’s the case. I resent the imputation I’m lying so go fuck yourself with a fossilised baseball bat, twat
I wasn't implying you were lying. I was implying you escalated your anecdotes in a drug filled haze, which you do. You live in a colorful world flitting hither and yon like a drunken butterfly and relate anecdotes similarly embroidered. It is not possible at any given moment to tell whether you are lying, high, or simply relating extraordinary facts.
You absolutely implied I was lying. Any pb-er can read for themselves upthread. Turns out I wasn’t lying, you were, and now you’re lying about your lying
A good days work. Well done
Thank you. But I'm afraid you are incorrect. In fact, you are lying about me lying about your lying about me lying.
In all the kerfuffle he never did answer your question. Method in the madness.
This malodorous fuckmuppet @viewcode was falsely accusing me of lies in a fairly odious way. I wasn’t even aware of a question
The question was as follows:
"...But this brings us back to my question of earlier in the week: does she shit in the Ladies or the Gents? According to the SC ruling she is a biological male whose legal rights are not changed by her GRC and no longer has the right to enter female single-sex spaces. Consequently will you make her poo in the boys' toilets or does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception?..."
And this is the third time I have asked you today, and the fourth time since the ruling. (The "your friend Lauren" refers to RochdalePioneer's insistence that his trans woman friend Lauren should be allowed to use the girls' loos because reasons)
You become more grotesque with each iteration of this debate
Do you go around asking your friends - especially those of a trans disposition - “hey, where do you actually shit”? Do you? If you do I suspect you’re like several other PBers and have almost zero friends. And here we see why. Perhaps you could get a dog, or talk to @kinabalu. He needs a friend too
Amazingly enough I’m never going to ask a good friend - one of many good friends I am lucky to have - “hey where do you shit”
But if forced to hazard a guess I’d say 99.99% she uses the ladies because she is a post op trans woman and presents zero threat. You might claim this is some logical inconsistency and perhaps it is, but until about five years ago I believe this was all self policing and worked as well as such a thing can. Humanity is not logical or perfect
But then came along a bunch of weird men who wanted access to women’s only spaces while remaining - sometimes obviously - men. And for some bizarre reason half the woke left decided to support these lunatic cranks - and have now met with disaster
So, peering through the blather, you recognise and decry this as a major reversal of trans rights and blame it on the hyperactive zealotry of those campaigning to extend them too far.
I have it?
It’s ‘Trump is the fault of Woke libtards, not the people who voted for him’ all over again.
People voted for him because of Woke libtards.
This really isn't difficult.
Like people voted for Hitler cos of the Social Democrats and the transvestites? The Right not taking responsibility for their rsoles has always been with us.
Ireland is never going to (at State level) touch an Anglosphere union, although it'd be relaxed about its individual citizens choosing to join or help it.
If Canada and the UK and Oz etc do unite we must surely call it the
Federal Union of Commonwealth Kingdoms
Greater Britain
Empire Redux.
The Making the Globe Pink Again Empire. Perhaps they could even get a float at Pride parades.
Except this new bloc has a strong hetero vibe. It's all the countries Bond would have considered sound minus the USA.
Canada provided for same sex marriage in 2005, the fourth country in the world to do so. The UK in 2014, the fourteenth.
It is not yet legal in India or Nigeria.
Such a union couldn't just be based on friendly liberal pats on the back over gay marriage.
I was responding to the suggestion that such a union carried the unsavoury odour of heterosexuality.
Yes, I didn't really get kinabalu's point there? How are Canada and Australia more heterosexual than other countries? And why is this unsavoury if it's true?
It was more an observation than a point. The new bloc correlates well with the Fleming Bond instinctive view of who the chaps are. Don't worry, I know what I mean, that's the main thing.
Liz Truss in talks with senior Reform figures (Times).
This will end in tears. The Fukkers unequivocally need an attention seeking gobshite to be heard. What they can't have is two.
Maybe she thinks Farage won't betray and discard her. I mean she thought she could be PM so she does have vivid imagination utterly unmoored from the actuality.
I think Truss is desperately trying to find a purpose that isn't being a laughing stock..
There has been a massive amount of trans hatred online over the last couple of days.
Anyone who denies trans people exist, or want to make being trans impossible, can fuck right off.
Getting your panties in a bunch Josias, calm down dear.
Nah, not really.
Seriously Malc; you should read some of the stuff that's out there. If this continues another trans person will end up being killed.
This is the new world, where trans people are all just pretending. Hence the very deliberate language in the header about “sad trans identified men”. The sneery dismissal oozing out, which reminds me a little of the Russian attitude to “so called Ukrainians” with their pretend country.
It’s like the olden days when being gay was “just a phase”.
Cyclefree has always been deep inside Gender Crit circles - in case that wasn’t already obvious. This is the language GCs have always used amongst themselves. Now she feels free to use it in public.
You played for high stakes, and lost.
Suck it up.
Good to remind ourselves every now and again why 'Never Kissed a Tory' badges used to go like hot cakes
...I can see a world of difference between people who are seriously and medically altering their bodies to become the gender they believe they really are, and a bloke wearing a frock and a wig...
...Perhaps a certificate to recognise the ressignment of gender would have been useful to distinguish between the two groups. But after the Supreme Court decision it appears such an instrument bestows no rights enforceable in a court...
The GRC was meant to be the State saying “we recognise that you wish to be treated as X”.
That shouldn’t undermine the rights of women.
What has happened here is a small group of trans activists aggressively pushing their agenda (selfID) regardless of the rights of others. It has ended up with a bright line being drawn that is not necessarily to their advantage.
Pre/post op - while I’m sure not 100% perfect in all cases - was always the simplest “test” for determining the right to access women-only spaces
Quite so
How many people have good post op trans friends on here? I do. Julia nee Julian. Met him (then) at uni, he transitioned in his 30s, he went through two years of living as a woman before the NHS would agree to surgery and give him/her a GRC
He is now she and just got married to her female partner. She is happily she
She’s livid about the modern breed of TRAs and the demands for self id without surgery etc. She thinks it’s mad and bad for trans women like her and she says the old system worked fine
So there you go. Take it up with HER
Last time you mentioned her she was a pipe-smoking man in his forties before transition. Try to keep the details consistent (incidentally you add more details over time: I don't know if that means you're making it up or that you are not).
But this brings us back to my question of earlier in the week: does she shit in the Ladies or the Gents? According to the SC ruling she is a biological male whose legal rights are not changed by her GRC and no longer has the right to enter female single-sex spaces. Consequently will you make her poo in the boys' toilets or does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception?
I really did not say this you lying fuck
The story is true and it stayed consistent for that reason
Grrrr
I'm pretty sure you mentioned pipe-smoking, which Is why I remember it: it was such an odd detail. You stated off with a taxi-driver friend who had said something, then mentioned a transitioning grandchild of acquaintances who were distressed, then mentioned a friend, then you said you had driven that friend to the hospital for surgery, and now you have named her both before-and-after Given your prediliction for escalation, I assumed the next iteration is for you to have cut her cock off with a rusty knife and an elastic band, but that's up to you.
But you haven't answered my question: should she shit in the Ladies' or Gents' now? Does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception in your eyes?
Oh do fuck off
1. She (then he) was one of my best friends at uni - still a good friend 2. She supported (still does) Leicester city - her hometown 3. Born Julian now Julia 4. Transitioned in her 30s. Was before quite stereotypically male in some ways, even smoked a pipe at one point, also loved snooker darts etc 5. Did her op at Charing X hospital where I went to see her during the process 6. Did her two years living as woman, then got op on NHS and GRC and has lived as a woman, with relative happiness, and no apparent regrets, ever since 7. Her attitudes to modern TRAs are exactly as I say 8. She recently married her long term female partner (we all guessed they were in an intimate relationship but for some reason they would never talk about it - I’m glad she has now for her/their sake)
There. That’s it. That’s the case. I resent the imputation I’m lying so go fuck yourself with a fossilised baseball bat, twat
I wasn't implying you were lying. I was implying you escalated your anecdotes in a drug filled haze, which you do. You live in a colorful world flitting hither and yon like a drunken butterfly and relate anecdotes similarly embroidered. It is not possible at any given moment to tell whether you are lying, high, or simply relating extraordinary facts.
You absolutely implied I was lying. Any pb-er can read for themselves upthread. Turns out I wasn’t lying, you were, and now you’re lying about your lying
A good days work. Well done
Thank you. But I'm afraid you are incorrect. In fact, you are lying about me lying about your lying about me lying.
In all the kerfuffle he never did answer your question. Method in the madness.
This malodorous fuckmuppet @viewcode was falsely accusing me of lies in a fairly odious way. I wasn’t even aware of a question
The question was as follows:
"...But this brings us back to my question of earlier in the week: does she shit in the Ladies or the Gents? According to the SC ruling she is a biological male whose legal rights are not changed by her GRC and no longer has the right to enter female single-sex spaces. Consequently will you make her poo in the boys' toilets or does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception?..."
And this is the third time I have asked you today, and the fourth time since the ruling. (The "your friend Lauren" refers to RochdalePioneer's insistence that his trans woman friend Lauren should be allowed to use the girls' loos because reasons)
You become more grotesque with each iteration of this debate
Do you go around asking your friends - especially those of a trans disposition - “hey, where do you actually shit”? Do you? If you do I suspect you’re like several other PBers and have almost zero friends. And here we see why. Perhaps you could get a dog, or talk to @kinabalu. He needs a friend too
Amazingly enough I’m never going to ask a good friend - one of many good friends I am lucky to have - “hey where do you shit”
But if forced to hazard a guess I’d say 99.99% she uses the ladies because she is a post op trans woman and presents zero threat. You might claim this is some logical inconsistency and perhaps it is, but until about five years ago I believe this was all self policing and worked as well as such a thing can. Humanity is not logical or perfect
But then came along a bunch of weird men who wanted access to women’s only spaces while remaining - sometimes obviously - men. And for some bizarre reason half the woke left decided to support these lunatic cranks - and have now met with disaster
So, peering through the blather, you recognise and decry this as a major reversal of trans rights and blame it on the hyperactive zealotry of those campaigning to extend them too far.
I have it?
It’s ‘Trump is the fault of Woke libtards, not the people who voted for him’ all over again.
People voted for him because of Woke libtards.
This really isn't difficult.
Like people voted for Hitler cos of the Social Democrats and the transvestites? The Right not taking responsibility for their rsoles has always been with us.
If you're a complete twat to anyone outside your own activist base, mock them, insult them, campaign and actively legislate against them, then you can't just disown anyone who votes for an alternative platform you don't like on the basis they need to take "responsibility" for it.
What it shows is an astonishing lack of self-awareness, something hyper-liberals have always struggled with.
Hope we're all enjoying the start of the long Easter weekend?
It’s pissing down heavily outside, and I’m having my lunch of summery fish tagine while the weather outside plays at being most unpleasant. The dog looks miserable because he got his walk early this morning and the way things are going, he won’t be getting a significant another today. I’ve spent the morning on my knees cleaning the bathroom and sauna. And PB is full of the usual stream of shite from our resident idiot.
Liz Truss in talks with senior Reform figures (Times).
Who are these? Presumably Nonny-Nonny-Nigel and the Minigarch Money Men?
It won't be Agent Anderson, as in the spirit of a BH weekend I'm about to give him the rank of Sergeant Minor in the Black Shorts - when GPT gives me some more photo quota *.
* They are more generous than Mr Eagles, but not much more generous.
...I can see a world of difference between people who are seriously and medically altering their bodies to become the gender they believe they really are, and a bloke wearing a frock and a wig...
...Perhaps a certificate to recognise the ressignment of gender would have been useful to distinguish between the two groups. But after the Supreme Court decision it appears such an instrument bestows no rights enforceable in a court...
The GRC was meant to be the State saying “we recognise that you wish to be treated as X”.
That shouldn’t undermine the rights of women.
What has happened here is a small group of trans activists aggressively pushing their agenda (selfID) regardless of the rights of others. It has ended up with a bright line being drawn that is not necessarily to their advantage.
Pre/post op - while I’m sure not 100% perfect in all cases - was always the simplest “test” for determining the right to access women-only spaces
Quite so
How many people have good post op trans friends on here? I do. Julia nee Julian. Met him (then) at uni, he transitioned in his 30s, he went through two years of living as a woman before the NHS would agree to surgery and give him/her a GRC
He is now she and just got married to her female partner. She is happily she
She’s livid about the modern breed of TRAs and the demands for self id without surgery etc. She thinks it’s mad and bad for trans women like her and she says the old system worked fine
So there you go. Take it up with HER
Last time you mentioned her she was a pipe-smoking man in his forties before transition. Try to keep the details consistent (incidentally you add more details over time: I don't know if that means you're making it up or that you are not).
But this brings us back to my question of earlier in the week: does she shit in the Ladies or the Gents? According to the SC ruling she is a biological male whose legal rights are not changed by her GRC and no longer has the right to enter female single-sex spaces. Consequently will you make her poo in the boys' toilets or does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception?
I really did not say this you lying fuck
The story is true and it stayed consistent for that reason
Grrrr
I'm pretty sure you mentioned pipe-smoking, which Is why I remember it: it was such an odd detail. You stated off with a taxi-driver friend who had said something, then mentioned a transitioning grandchild of acquaintances who were distressed, then mentioned a friend, then you said you had driven that friend to the hospital for surgery, and now you have named her both before-and-after Given your prediliction for escalation, I assumed the next iteration is for you to have cut her cock off with a rusty knife and an elastic band, but that's up to you.
But you haven't answered my question: should she shit in the Ladies' or Gents' now? Does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception in your eyes?
Oh do fuck off
1. She (then he) was one of my best friends at uni - still a good friend 2. She supported (still does) Leicester city - her hometown 3. Born Julian now Julia 4. Transitioned in her 30s. Was before quite stereotypically male in some ways, even smoked a pipe at one point, also loved snooker darts etc 5. Did her op at Charing X hospital where I went to see her during the process 6. Did her two years living as woman, then got op on NHS and GRC and has lived as a woman, with relative happiness, and no apparent regrets, ever since 7. Her attitudes to modern TRAs are exactly as I say 8. She recently married her long term female partner (we all guessed they were in an intimate relationship but for some reason they would never talk about it - I’m glad she has now for her/their sake)
There. That’s it. That’s the case. I resent the imputation I’m lying so go fuck yourself with a fossilised baseball bat, twat
I wasn't implying you were lying. I was implying you escalated your anecdotes in a drug filled haze, which you do. You live in a colorful world flitting hither and yon like a drunken butterfly and relate anecdotes similarly embroidered. It is not possible at any given moment to tell whether you are lying, high, or simply relating extraordinary facts.
You absolutely implied I was lying. Any pb-er can read for themselves upthread. Turns out I wasn’t lying, you were, and now you’re lying about your lying
A good days work. Well done
Thank you. But I'm afraid you are incorrect. In fact, you are lying about me lying about your lying about me lying.
In all the kerfuffle he never did answer your question. Method in the madness.
This malodorous fuckmuppet @viewcode was falsely accusing me of lies in a fairly odious way. I wasn’t even aware of a question
The question was as follows:
"...But this brings us back to my question of earlier in the week: does she shit in the Ladies or the Gents? According to the SC ruling she is a biological male whose legal rights are not changed by her GRC and no longer has the right to enter female single-sex spaces. Consequently will you make her poo in the boys' toilets or does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception?..."
And this is the third time I have asked you today, and the fourth time since the ruling. (The "your friend Lauren" refers to RochdalePioneer's insistence that his trans woman friend Lauren should be allowed to use the girls' loos because reasons)
You become more grotesque with each iteration of this debate
Do you go around asking your friends - especially those of a trans disposition - “hey, where do you actually shit”? Do you? If you do I suspect you’re like several other PBers and have almost zero friends. And here we see why. Perhaps you could get a dog, or talk to @kinabalu. He needs a friend too
Amazingly enough I’m never going to ask a good friend - one of many good friends I am lucky to have - “hey where do you shit”
But if forced to hazard a guess I’d say 99.99% she uses the ladies because she is a post op trans woman and presents zero threat. You might claim this is some logical inconsistency and perhaps it is, but until about five years ago I believe this was all self policing and worked as well as such a thing can. Humanity is not logical or perfect
But then came along a bunch of weird men who wanted access to women’s only spaces while remaining - sometimes obviously - men. And for some bizarre reason half the woke left decided to support these lunatic cranks - and have now met with disaster
So, peering through the blather, you recognise and decry this as a major reversal of trans rights and blame it on the hyperactive zealotry of those campaigning to extend them too far.
I have it?
It’s ‘Trump is the fault of Woke libtards, not the people who voted for him’ all over again.
People voted for him because of Woke libtards.
This really isn't difficult.
Like people voted for Hitler cos of the Social Democrats and the transvestites? The Right not taking responsibility for their rsoles has always been with us.
If you're a complete twat to anyone outside your own activist base, mock them, insult them, campaign and actively legislate against them, then you can't just disown anyone who votes for an alternative platform you don't like on the basis they need to take "responsibility" for it.
What it shows is an astonishing lack of self-awareness, something hyper-liberals have always struggled with.
And the right have never mocked or insulted anyone who doesn't agree with them?
Everytime I post about UK-Canada, people want to add Australia-NZ.
There is probably a case for stronger links of some sort, but there is no geopolitical logic. The South Pacific is too far from the North Atlantic, as New Zealanders learned with the fall of Singapore.
Even Canada is hardly popping down to the shops geography-wise, and we are culturally closer to our antipodean chums who play cricket and rugby and can sing the theme songs to Neighbours and Skippy.
London-Toronto is roughly the same distance as New York-Los Angeles.
Canada is also right behind the GIUK gap, the UK’s naval choke point.
No, that's not right, GW. Even London/Montreal is significantly more than NY/LA, and Toronto is appreciably further West of Toronto, which is essentially a Mid Western City.
Sorry, but I think you need to hand yourself in to the PB Pedantry Police.
If Canada and the UK and Oz etc do unite we must surely call it the
Federal Union of Commonwealth Kingdoms
Greater Britain
Empire Redux.
The Making the Globe Pink Again Empire. Perhaps they could even get a float at Pride parades.
Except this new bloc has a strong hetero vibe. It's all the countries Bond would have considered sound minus the USA.
Canada provided for same sex marriage in 2005, the fourth country in the world to do so. The UK in 2014, the fourteenth.
It is not yet legal in India or Nigeria.
Such a union couldn't just be based on friendly liberal pats on the back over gay marriage.
I was responding to the suggestion that such a union carried the unsavoury odour of heterosexuality.
Yes, I didn't really get kinabalu's point there? How are Canada and Australia more heterosexual than other countries? And why is this unsavoury if it's true?
The reason Brits always add Oz and NZ to Canada as a potential political marriage partner is because Brits want to have the option of somewhere warm and sunny to go. Australia
For all its many virtues Canada doesn’t provide that
I really do think it is as simple as that
Or maybe throwback nostalgia for Empire (white bits).
I mean, we had FOM to lots of warm sunny countries in Europe, didn't we? Can't have been that much of a big deal given what happened.
There has been a massive amount of trans hatred online over the last couple of days.
Anyone who denies trans people exist, or want to make being trans impossible, can fuck right off.
Getting your panties in a bunch Josias, calm down dear.
Nah, not really.
Seriously Malc; you should read some of the stuff that's out there. If this continues another trans person will end up being killed.
This is the new world, where trans people are all just pretending. Hence the very deliberate language in the header about “sad trans identified men”. The sneery dismissal oozing out, which reminds me a little of the Russian attitude to “so called Ukrainians” with their pretend country.
It’s like the olden days when being gay was “just a phase”.
Cyclefree has always been deep inside Gender Crit circles - in case that wasn’t already obvious. This is the language GCs have always used amongst themselves. Now she feels free to use it in public.
You played for high stakes, and lost.
Suck it up.
Good to remind ourselves every now and again why 'Never Kissed a Tory' badges used to go like hot cakes
I always thought that fuckatory* week would be more enjoyable than a "Never Kissed a Tory" badge.
Liz Truss in talks with senior Reform figures (Times).
This will end in tears. The Fukkers unequivocally need an attention seeking gobshite to be heard. What they can't have is two.
Maybe she thinks Farage won't betray and discard her. I mean she thought she could be PM so she does have vivid imagination utterly unmoored from the actuality.
I think Truss is desperately trying to find a purpose that isn't being a laughing stock..
Ireland is never going to (at State level) touch an Anglosphere union, although it'd be relaxed about its individual citizens choosing to join or help it.
Hope we're all enjoying the start of the long Easter weekend?
I'm working. My boss came up with a crash request at 6pm Weds and I'm working on that. I'm clocking off at 3:30pm to go to the shop, then back at 5pm and will work thru the evening until done. Then the final draft of the hyperliberalism article late tonight then travel to rellies tomorrow for Easter dinner and arguments. Fun, fun fun. Have a guess which mode of transport I am using.
Ireland is never going to (at State level) touch an Anglosphere union, although it'd be relaxed about its individual citizens choosing to join or help it.
Too much historical baggage.
Well, they're still 83% English-speaking, despite recent mass immigration, and despite of course the government insisting that Irish is the FIRST Official Language ever since Independence. It's only spoken as an EVERYDAY language by 1.5%, according to my reading of their latest Census data.
I explained upthread they will be a State directly under the Federal Government (as will all other States), NOT under the UK (which will be replaced by ENG/SCO/WAL/NI in any case).
...I can see a world of difference between people who are seriously and medically altering their bodies to become the gender they believe they really are, and a bloke wearing a frock and a wig...
...Perhaps a certificate to recognise the ressignment of gender would have been useful to distinguish between the two groups. But after the Supreme Court decision it appears such an instrument bestows no rights enforceable in a court...
The GRC was meant to be the State saying “we recognise that you wish to be treated as X”.
That shouldn’t undermine the rights of women.
What has happened here is a small group of trans activists aggressively pushing their agenda (selfID) regardless of the rights of others. It has ended up with a bright line being drawn that is not necessarily to their advantage.
Pre/post op - while I’m sure not 100% perfect in all cases - was always the simplest “test” for determining the right to access women-only spaces
Quite so
How many people have good post op trans friends on here? I do. Julia nee Julian. Met him (then) at uni, he transitioned in his 30s, he went through two years of living as a woman before the NHS would agree to surgery and give him/her a GRC
He is now she and just got married to her female partner. She is happily she
She’s livid about the modern breed of TRAs and the demands for self id without surgery etc. She thinks it’s mad and bad for trans women like her and she says the old system worked fine
So there you go. Take it up with HER
Last time you mentioned her she was a pipe-smoking man in his forties before transition. Try to keep the details consistent (incidentally you add more details over time: I don't know if that means you're making it up or that you are not).
But this brings us back to my question of earlier in the week: does she shit in the Ladies or the Gents? According to the SC ruling she is a biological male whose legal rights are not changed by her GRC and no longer has the right to enter female single-sex spaces. Consequently will you make her poo in the boys' toilets or does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception?
I really did not say this you lying fuck
The story is true and it stayed consistent for that reason
Grrrr
I'm pretty sure you mentioned pipe-smoking, which Is why I remember it: it was such an odd detail. You stated off with a taxi-driver friend who had said something, then mentioned a transitioning grandchild of acquaintances who were distressed, then mentioned a friend, then you said you had driven that friend to the hospital for surgery, and now you have named her both before-and-after Given your prediliction for escalation, I assumed the next iteration is for you to have cut her cock off with a rusty knife and an elastic band, but that's up to you.
But you haven't answered my question: should she shit in the Ladies' or Gents' now? Does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception in your eyes?
Oh do fuck off
1. She (then he) was one of my best friends at uni - still a good friend 2. She supported (still does) Leicester city - her hometown 3. Born Julian now Julia 4. Transitioned in her 30s. Was before quite stereotypically male in some ways, even smoked a pipe at one point, also loved snooker darts etc 5. Did her op at Charing X hospital where I went to see her during the process 6. Did her two years living as woman, then got op on NHS and GRC and has lived as a woman, with relative happiness, and no apparent regrets, ever since 7. Her attitudes to modern TRAs are exactly as I say 8. She recently married her long term female partner (we all guessed they were in an intimate relationship but for some reason they would never talk about it - I’m glad she has now for her/their sake)
There. That’s it. That’s the case. I resent the imputation I’m lying so go fuck yourself with a fossilised baseball bat, twat
I wasn't implying you were lying. I was implying you escalated your anecdotes in a drug filled haze, which you do. You live in a colorful world flitting hither and yon like a drunken butterfly and relate anecdotes similarly embroidered. It is not possible at any given moment to tell whether you are lying, high, or simply relating extraordinary facts.
You absolutely implied I was lying. Any pb-er can read for themselves upthread. Turns out I wasn’t lying, you were, and now you’re lying about your lying
A good days work. Well done
Thank you. But I'm afraid you are incorrect. In fact, you are lying about me lying about your lying about me lying.
In all the kerfuffle he never did answer your question. Method in the madness.
This malodorous fuckmuppet @viewcode was falsely accusing me of lies in a fairly odious way. I wasn’t even aware of a question
The question was as follows:
"...But this brings us back to my question of earlier in the week: does she shit in the Ladies or the Gents? According to the SC ruling she is a biological male whose legal rights are not changed by her GRC and no longer has the right to enter female single-sex spaces. Consequently will you make her poo in the boys' toilets or does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception?..."
And this is the third time I have asked you today, and the fourth time since the ruling. (The "your friend Lauren" refers to RochdalePioneer's insistence that his trans woman friend Lauren should be allowed to use the girls' loos because reasons)
You become more grotesque with each iteration of this debate
Do you go around asking your friends - especially those of a trans disposition - “hey, where do you actually shit”? Do you? If you do I suspect you’re like several other PBers and have almost zero friends. And here we see why. Perhaps you could get a dog, or talk to @kinabalu. He needs a friend too
Amazingly enough I’m never going to ask a good friend - one of many good friends I am lucky to have - “hey where do you shit”
But if forced to hazard a guess I’d say 99.99% she uses the ladies because she is a post op trans woman and presents zero threat. You might claim this is some logical inconsistency and perhaps it is, but until about five years ago I believe this was all self policing and worked as well as such a thing can. Humanity is not logical or perfect
But then came along a bunch of weird men who wanted access to women’s only spaces while remaining - sometimes obviously - men. And for some bizarre reason half the woke left decided to support these lunatic cranks - and have now met with disaster
So, peering through the blather, you recognise and decry this as a major reversal of trans rights and blame it on the hyperactive zealotry of those campaigning to extend them too far.
I have it?
It’s ‘Trump is the fault of Woke libtards, not the people who voted for him’ all over again.
People voted for him because of Woke libtards.
This really isn't difficult.
Like people voted for Hitler cos of the Social Democrats and the transvestites? The Right not taking responsibility for their rsoles has always been with us.
If you're a complete twat to anyone outside your own activist base, mock them, insult them, campaign and actively legislate against them, then you can't just disown anyone who votes for an alternative platform you don't like on the basis they need to take "responsibility" for it.
What it shows is an astonishing lack of self-awareness, something hyper-liberals have always struggled with.
Even with everything that's happened in the US I think in a rerun Americans would still vote Trump into power. That's how badly the democrats have lost credibility with people. You fundamentally can't tell voters that women have cocks or that men can get pregnant and then expect them to listen on any other subject, that's the most basic reasoning behind the loss against Trump and they have made no moves to disown any it, in fact when Trump attempted to get women's sport protected from biological men the Dems on the Senate blocked it. They have learned precisely zero from their election loss.
Everytime I post about UK-Canada, people want to add Australia-NZ.
There is probably a case for stronger links of some sort, but there is no geopolitical logic. The South Pacific is too far from the North Atlantic, as New Zealanders learned with the fall of Singapore.
Even Canada is hardly popping down to the shops geography-wise, and we are culturally closer to our antipodean chums who play cricket and rugby and can sing the theme songs to Neighbours and Skippy.
London-Toronto is roughly the same distance as New York-Los Angeles.
Canada is also right behind the GIUK gap, the UK’s naval choke point.
No, that's not right, GW. Even London/Montreal is significantly more than NY/LA, and Toronto is appreciably further West of Toronto, which is essentially a Mid Western City.
Sorry, but I think you need to hand yourself in to the PB Pedantry Police.
Fun fact: Washington to London is shorter than Washington to Honolulu.
What delights me on the Truss to RefUK idesa is that we can imagine exactly she will be like.
A Fawning Farage Lickspittle.
Whatever the Great Man says she will stridently repeat. She tried to Reform Britain and was stopped by the blob. Nigel Farage has been fighting the blob his entire career, so she'll be delighted to do all she can to help him finally beat the blob as she tried to do.
Ireland is never going to (at State level) touch an Anglosphere union, although it'd be relaxed about its individual citizens choosing to join or help it.
Too much historical baggage.
Well, they're still 83% English-speaking, despite recent mass immigration, and despite of course the government insisting that Irish is the FIRST Official Language ever since Independence. It's only spoken as an EVERYDAY language by 1.5%, according to my reading of their latest Census data.
I explained upthread they will be a State directly under the Federal Government (as will all other States), NOT under the UK (which will be replaced by ENG/SCO/WAL/NI in any case).
Can Quebec be an an overseas department and region?
Excellent thread header, thanks @Cyclefree. On the last point, I’d recommend people to vote with their feet (appreciate you might think they shouldn’t have to, but do it anyway if at all possible).
My friend Lauren will physically transition to be physically female. By which point I would hope that even the most strident activists wouldn't be demanding that a biologically transformed woman be denied entry to certain toilets etc.
I think that's naive. The entire point of the Supreme Court ruling was that i) one's status is settled at birth and does not change, and ii) single-sex spaces are based on the status at birth. There is no "my friend Lauren" exception.
As I pointed out to you the other day, if somebody like "my friend Lauren" used a single-sex female toilet, then the organizers of that toilet could be sued and under the new ruling the organizers would lose.
Perhaps more toilets will be converted into unisex, which has occurred in an M&S near us?
Will trans men be forced to use female toilets? Will females be upset by them as well?
That is a question. This is Balian Buschbaum, a pole vaulter.
Do you think Balian should be using the male or female toilets?
It is an interesting question. I agree with the judgement - to have concluded anything else would be to indulge in a fantasy. However, I still maintain that in toilet and changing facilities, the rule should be thus:
1. Ladies Loos Women, surgically transitioned MTF transsexuals. 2. Mens Loos Men, surgically transitioned FTM transsexuals. 3. Disabled Loos Everyone already permitted, and those in transition
Some form of id would be granted to fully transitioned transsexuals after their reassignment is complete to show in the case of challenge. Another form might be required for those in transition in the case of challenge there, though I suspect that would be non-existent, as we all understand someone using a disabled loo might not look physically disabled.
I surmise that the risk of sexual assault to women from biological men but living as women and without a penis, would be virtually nothing. I am open for the reverse to be shown. I suspect it's probably the same risk as from other women.
I appreciate that that is me as a man trying to dictate who goes in women's spaces, but it is just an opinion.
This is not a supporting argument, but there is a historical precedent of emasculated males sharing women's spaces - eunuchs in harems.
I think that by pushing this, trans activists have polarised the debate and actually put fully-transitioned MTF transsexuals in a worse position than they were in before, which is a common characteristic of all such activist grifters
That has a certain practical logic to it, given the very low numbers of post-surgery transsexuals.
On the identity question, it seems to me that post-surgery transsexuals should be able to adopt the M or F for their sex on their driving licences etc. That won't please all campaigners, but to me it is a proposal of practical logic as part of a modus vivendi.
On this you are, I think, overoptimistic:
Some form of id would be granted to fully transitioned transsexuals after their reassignment is complete to show in the case of challenge. Another form might be required for those in transition in the case of challenge there, though I suspect that would be non-existent, as we all understand someone using a disabled loo might not look physically disabled.
It is absolutely routine for non-visibly-disabled people to be challenged about whether they have a disability, and it is a right pain for those people. It is rife around eg Blue Badge Parking spaces and people using mobility aids in 'pedestrian areas' (where they usually qualify as a pedestrian).
We get an identical thing with "Why are there only X, usually 5 or 6 or 9, disabled people in the House of Commons", when the real number is usually more like 40 or 50 or 70. I haven't taken the time yet to add up something close to the real number this time - I got to about 30 within a week of the Election, but more always reveal themselves.
A case I cited here (I have a photo) was a wheelchair using friend who was challenged in St Pancras Station whilst she was towing her manual wheelchair behind her E-Brompton at walking pace. The Officer seemed to think he was Jesus, and could instruct her to pick up her mobility aid and walk. TBF St Pancras staff are generally good.
Rhetorical tolerance for non-visibly-disabled, or even visibly disabled, people vanishes very promptly when there is even a modest interest the other way. When the person needing to be tolerant is even slightly inconvenienced, the hostile blowback can be intense.
Sure, I take that point. Certainly then a form of proof for someone in transition would be a requirement.
Ireland is never going to (at State level) touch an Anglosphere union, although it'd be relaxed about its individual citizens choosing to join or help it.
Question for the legal minds on here: If a cis woman is to be strip-searched by the BTP, how does she prove that she's not trans?
It seems like the Supreme Court think they have decided the difference between men and women on biology, but as their comments about excluding trans men from female-only spaces shows, they are setting the line on appearance. I fear that many cis women will fall on the wrong side of that dividing line.
This is one of the biggest problems with the law as now clarified. Appearance has never been an even vaguely reliable way to tell trans and cis people apart. Most trans women won't have undergone reassignment surgery to the extent they are physically indistinguishable from a cis woman in a strip search, but it does happen. The only definitive way is a DNA test.
The law puts businesses, public bodies and the Police in an impossible position. They are required to differentiate between trans and cis people, which is damn near impossible in many cases. The practical upshot is trans people will still use the loos they feel safest in, but now they're open to prosecution for doing it.
And, yes, woe betide any cis woman who has a somewhat masculine appearance.
There has been a massive amount of trans hatred online over the last couple of days.
Anyone who denies trans people exist, or want to make being trans impossible, can fuck right off.
Getting your panties in a bunch Josias, calm down dear.
Nah, not really.
Seriously Malc; you should read some of the stuff that's out there. If this continues another trans person will end up being killed.
This is the new world, where trans people are all just pretending. Hence the very deliberate language in the header about “sad trans identified men”. The sneery dismissal oozing out, which reminds me a little of the Russian attitude to “so called Ukrainians” with their pretend country.
It’s like the olden days when being gay was “just a phase”.
Cyclefree has always been deep inside Gender Crit circles - in case that wasn’t already obvious. This is the language GCs have always used amongst themselves. Now she feels free to use it in public.
You played for high stakes, and lost.
Suck it up.
Good to remind ourselves every now and again why 'Never Kissed a Tory' badges used to go like hot cakes
I always thought that fuckatory* week would be more enjoyable than a "Never Kissed a Tory" badge.
* Was this in The Tick of It?
Not if the only ones available that particular week are Casino and Leon!
Hope we're all enjoying the start of the long Easter weekend?
I'm working. My boss came up with a crash request at 6pm Weds and I'm working on that. I'm clocking off at 3:30pm to go to the shop, then back at 5pm and will work thru the evening until done. Then the final draft of the hyperliberalism article late tonight then travel to rellies tomorrow for Easter dinner and arguments. Fun, fun fun. Have a guess which mode of transport I am using.
Weekends mean work at a slower speed. I'm finishing an edit for The Tesla Question. Then shooting an episode for Emergency Podcast. Then shooting another episode of TTQ.
...I can see a world of difference between people who are seriously and medically altering their bodies to become the gender they believe they really are, and a bloke wearing a frock and a wig...
...Perhaps a certificate to recognise the ressignment of gender would have been useful to distinguish between the two groups. But after the Supreme Court decision it appears such an instrument bestows no rights enforceable in a court...
The GRC was meant to be the State saying “we recognise that you wish to be treated as X”.
That shouldn’t undermine the rights of women.
What has happened here is a small group of trans activists aggressively pushing their agenda (selfID) regardless of the rights of others. It has ended up with a bright line being drawn that is not necessarily to their advantage.
Pre/post op - while I’m sure not 100% perfect in all cases - was always the simplest “test” for determining the right to access women-only spaces
Quite so
How many people have good post op trans friends on here? I do. Julia nee Julian. Met him (then) at uni, he transitioned in his 30s, he went through two years of living as a woman before the NHS would agree to surgery and give him/her a GRC
He is now she and just got married to her female partner. She is happily she
She’s livid about the modern breed of TRAs and the demands for self id without surgery etc. She thinks it’s mad and bad for trans women like her and she says the old system worked fine
So there you go. Take it up with HER
Last time you mentioned her she was a pipe-smoking man in his forties before transition. Try to keep the details consistent (incidentally you add more details over time: I don't know if that means you're making it up or that you are not).
But this brings us back to my question of earlier in the week: does she shit in the Ladies or the Gents? According to the SC ruling she is a biological male whose legal rights are not changed by her GRC and no longer has the right to enter female single-sex spaces. Consequently will you make her poo in the boys' toilets or does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception?
I really did not say this you lying fuck
The story is true and it stayed consistent for that reason
Grrrr
I'm pretty sure you mentioned pipe-smoking, which Is why I remember it: it was such an odd detail. You stated off with a taxi-driver friend who had said something, then mentioned a transitioning grandchild of acquaintances who were distressed, then mentioned a friend, then you said you had driven that friend to the hospital for surgery, and now you have named her both before-and-after Given your prediliction for escalation, I assumed the next iteration is for you to have cut her cock off with a rusty knife and an elastic band, but that's up to you.
But you haven't answered my question: should she shit in the Ladies' or Gents' now? Does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception in your eyes?
Oh do fuck off
1. She (then he) was one of my best friends at uni - still a good friend 2. She supported (still does) Leicester city - her hometown 3. Born Julian now Julia 4. Transitioned in her 30s. Was before quite stereotypically male in some ways, even smoked a pipe at one point, also loved snooker darts etc 5. Did her op at Charing X hospital where I went to see her during the process 6. Did her two years living as woman, then got op on NHS and GRC and has lived as a woman, with relative happiness, and no apparent regrets, ever since 7. Her attitudes to modern TRAs are exactly as I say 8. She recently married her long term female partner (we all guessed they were in an intimate relationship but for some reason they would never talk about it - I’m glad she has now for her/their sake)
There. That’s it. That’s the case. I resent the imputation I’m lying so go fuck yourself with a fossilised baseball bat, twat
I wasn't implying you were lying. I was implying you escalated your anecdotes in a drug filled haze, which you do. You live in a colorful world flitting hither and yon like a drunken butterfly and relate anecdotes similarly embroidered. It is not possible at any given moment to tell whether you are lying, high, or simply relating extraordinary facts.
You absolutely implied I was lying. Any pb-er can read for themselves upthread. Turns out I wasn’t lying, you were, and now you’re lying about your lying
A good days work. Well done
Thank you. But I'm afraid you are incorrect. In fact, you are lying about me lying about your lying about me lying.
In all the kerfuffle he never did answer your question. Method in the madness.
This malodorous fuckmuppet @viewcode was falsely accusing me of lies in a fairly odious way. I wasn’t even aware of a question
The question was as follows:
"...But this brings us back to my question of earlier in the week: does she shit in the Ladies or the Gents? According to the SC ruling she is a biological male whose legal rights are not changed by her GRC and no longer has the right to enter female single-sex spaces. Consequently will you make her poo in the boys' toilets or does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception?..."
And this is the third time I have asked you today, and the fourth time since the ruling. (The "your friend Lauren" refers to RochdalePioneer's insistence that his trans woman friend Lauren should be allowed to use the girls' loos because reasons)
You become more grotesque with each iteration of this debate
Do you go around asking your friends - especially those of a trans disposition - “hey, where do you actually shit”? Do you? If you do I suspect you’re like several other PBers and have almost zero friends. And here we see why. Perhaps you could get a dog, or talk to @kinabalu. He needs a friend too
Amazingly enough I’m never going to ask a good friend - one of many good friends I am lucky to have - “hey where do you shit”
But if forced to hazard a guess I’d say 99.99% she uses the ladies because she is a post op trans woman and presents zero threat. You might claim this is some logical inconsistency and perhaps it is, but until about five years ago I believe this was all self policing and worked as well as such a thing can. Humanity is not logical or perfect
But then came along a bunch of weird men who wanted access to women’s only spaces while remaining - sometimes obviously - men. And for some bizarre reason half the woke left decided to support these lunatic cranks - and have now met with disaster
So, peering through the blather, you recognise and decry this as a major reversal of trans rights and blame it on the hyperactive zealotry of those campaigning to extend them too far.
I have it?
It’s ‘Trump is the fault of Woke libtards, not the people who voted for him’ all over again.
People voted for him because of Woke libtards.
This really isn't difficult.
Like people voted for Hitler cos of the Social Democrats and the transvestites? The Right not taking responsibility for their rsoles has always been with us.
If you're a complete twat to anyone outside your own activist base, mock them, insult them, campaign and actively legislate against them, then you can't just disown anyone who votes for an alternative platform you don't like on the basis they need to take "responsibility" for it.
What it shows is an astonishing lack of self-awareness, something hyper-liberals have always struggled with.
And the right have never mocked or insulted anyone who doesn't agree with them?
There has been a massive amount of trans hatred online over the last couple of days.
Anyone who denies trans people exist, or want to make being trans impossible, can fuck right off.
Getting your panties in a bunch Josias, calm down dear.
Nah, not really.
Seriously Malc; you should read some of the stuff that's out there. If this continues another trans person will end up being killed.
This is the new world, where trans people are all just pretending. Hence the very deliberate language in the header about “sad trans identified men”. The sneery dismissal oozing out, which reminds me a little of the Russian attitude to “so called Ukrainians” with their pretend country.
It’s like the olden days when being gay was “just a phase”.
Cyclefree has always been deep inside Gender Crit circles - in case that wasn’t already obvious. This is the language GCs have always used amongst themselves. Now she feels free to use it in public.
You played for high stakes, and lost.
Suck it up.
Good to remind ourselves every now and again why 'Never Kissed a Tory' badges used to go like hot cakes
I always thought that fuckatory* week would be more enjoyable than a "Never Kissed a Tory" badge.
* Was this in The Tick of It?
Not if the only ones available that particular week are Casino and Leon!
I should clarify that "The Tick of It" was a typo, not a nod to the new Irish participation in the new Anglosphere.
More importantly, the USA, and everyone else, would need to meet a set of democracy and rule of law standards before it was allowed in.
Ireland is never going to (at State level) touch an Anglosphere union, although it'd be relaxed about its individual citizens choosing to join or help it.
Too much historical baggage.
Well, they're still 83% English-speaking, despite recent mass immigration, and despite of course the government insisting that Irish is the FIRST Official Language ever since Independence. It's only spoken as an EVERYDAY language by 1.5%, according to my reading of their latest Census data.
I explained upthread they will be a State directly under the Federal Government (as will all other States), NOT under the UK (which will be replaced by ENG/SCO/WAL/NI in any case).
Can Quebec be an an overseas department and region?
A full-blown State with 14 Electors! Ontario 23, and Canada as whole 60.
There has been a massive amount of trans hatred online over the last couple of days.
Anyone who denies trans people exist, or want to make being trans impossible, can fuck right off.
Getting your panties in a bunch Josias, calm down dear.
Nah, not really.
Seriously Malc; you should read some of the stuff that's out there. If this continues another trans person will end up being killed.
This is the new world, where trans people are all just pretending. Hence the very deliberate language in the header about “sad trans identified men”. The sneery dismissal oozing out, which reminds me a little of the Russian attitude to “so called Ukrainians” with their pretend country.
It’s like the olden days when being gay was “just a phase”.
Cyclefree has always been deep inside Gender Crit circles - in case that wasn’t already obvious. This is the language GCs have always used amongst themselves. Now she feels free to use it in public.
You played for high stakes, and lost.
Suck it up.
Good to remind ourselves every now and again why 'Never Kissed a Tory' badges used to go like hot cakes
I always thought that fuckatory* week would be more enjoyable than a "Never Kissed a Tory" badge.
* Was this in The Tick of It?
In my experience, not only have lots of women who wore, or claimed they would wear, 'Never Kissed a Tory' badges actually have kissed a Tory, they've fucked a fair few of them too. Often knowingly and willingly.
There has been a massive amount of trans hatred online over the last couple of days.
Anyone who denies trans people exist, or want to make being trans impossible, can fuck right off.
Getting your panties in a bunch Josias, calm down dear.
Nah, not really.
Seriously Malc; you should read some of the stuff that's out there. If this continues another trans person will end up being killed.
This is the new world, where trans people are all just pretending. Hence the very deliberate language in the header about “sad trans identified men”. The sneery dismissal oozing out, which reminds me a little of the Russian attitude to “so called Ukrainians” with their pretend country.
It’s like the olden days when being gay was “just a phase”.
Cyclefree has always been deep inside Gender Crit circles - in case that wasn’t already obvious. This is the language GCs have always used amongst themselves. Now she feels free to use it in public.
You played for high stakes, and lost.
Suck it up.
Good to remind ourselves every now and again why 'Never Kissed a Tory' badges used to go like hot cakes
I always thought that fuckatory* week would be more enjoyable than a "Never Kissed a Tory" badge.
* Was this in The Tick of It?
Not if the only ones available that particular week are Casino and Leon!
Lol.
I suspect Leon and I have had more and better sex with socialist women than almost all their male fellow travellers on this board.
Liz Truss in talks with senior Reform figures (Times).
This will end in tears. The Fukkers unequivocally need an attention seeking gobshite to be heard. What they can't have is two.
Maybe she thinks Farage won't betray and discard her. I mean she thought she could be PM so she does have vivid imagination utterly unmoored from the actuality.
I think Truss is desperately trying to find a purpose that isn't being a laughing stock..
I was just thinking given her past she might have misunderstood the word 'fukkers' and thought she'd fit in.
...I can see a world of difference between people who are seriously and medically altering their bodies to become the gender they believe they really are, and a bloke wearing a frock and a wig...
...Perhaps a certificate to recognise the ressignment of gender would have been useful to distinguish between the two groups. But after the Supreme Court decision it appears such an instrument bestows no rights enforceable in a court...
The GRC was meant to be the State saying “we recognise that you wish to be treated as X”.
That shouldn’t undermine the rights of women.
What has happened here is a small group of trans activists aggressively pushing their agenda (selfID) regardless of the rights of others. It has ended up with a bright line being drawn that is not necessarily to their advantage.
Pre/post op - while I’m sure not 100% perfect in all cases - was always the simplest “test” for determining the right to access women-only spaces
Quite so
How many people have good post op trans friends on here? I do. Julia nee Julian. Met him (then) at uni, he transitioned in his 30s, he went through two years of living as a woman before the NHS would agree to surgery and give him/her a GRC
He is now she and just got married to her female partner. She is happily she
She’s livid about the modern breed of TRAs and the demands for self id without surgery etc. She thinks it’s mad and bad for trans women like her and she says the old system worked fine
So there you go. Take it up with HER
Last time you mentioned her she was a pipe-smoking man in his forties before transition. Try to keep the details consistent (incidentally you add more details over time: I don't know if that means you're making it up or that you are not).
But this brings us back to my question of earlier in the week: does she shit in the Ladies or the Gents? According to the SC ruling she is a biological male whose legal rights are not changed by her GRC and no longer has the right to enter female single-sex spaces. Consequently will you make her poo in the boys' toilets or does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception?
I really did not say this you lying fuck
The story is true and it stayed consistent for that reason
Grrrr
I'm pretty sure you mentioned pipe-smoking, which Is why I remember it: it was such an odd detail. You stated off with a taxi-driver friend who had said something, then mentioned a transitioning grandchild of acquaintances who were distressed, then mentioned a friend, then you said you had driven that friend to the hospital for surgery, and now you have named her both before-and-after Given your prediliction for escalation, I assumed the next iteration is for you to have cut her cock off with a rusty knife and an elastic band, but that's up to you.
But you haven't answered my question: should she shit in the Ladies' or Gents' now? Does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception in your eyes?
Oh do fuck off
1. She (then he) was one of my best friends at uni - still a good friend 2. She supported (still does) Leicester city - her hometown 3. Born Julian now Julia 4. Transitioned in her 30s. Was before quite stereotypically male in some ways, even smoked a pipe at one point, also loved snooker darts etc 5. Did her op at Charing X hospital where I went to see her during the process 6. Did her two years living as woman, then got op on NHS and GRC and has lived as a woman, with relative happiness, and no apparent regrets, ever since 7. Her attitudes to modern TRAs are exactly as I say 8. She recently married her long term female partner (we all guessed they were in an intimate relationship but for some reason they would never talk about it - I’m glad she has now for her/their sake)
There. That’s it. That’s the case. I resent the imputation I’m lying so go fuck yourself with a fossilised baseball bat, twat
I wasn't implying you were lying. I was implying you escalated your anecdotes in a drug filled haze, which you do. You live in a colorful world flitting hither and yon like a drunken butterfly and relate anecdotes similarly embroidered. It is not possible at any given moment to tell whether you are lying, high, or simply relating extraordinary facts.
You absolutely implied I was lying. Any pb-er can read for themselves upthread. Turns out I wasn’t lying, you were, and now you’re lying about your lying
A good days work. Well done
Thank you. But I'm afraid you are incorrect. In fact, you are lying about me lying about your lying about me lying.
In all the kerfuffle he never did answer your question. Method in the madness.
This malodorous fuckmuppet @viewcode was falsely accusing me of lies in a fairly odious way. I wasn’t even aware of a question
The question was as follows:
"...But this brings us back to my question of earlier in the week: does she shit in the Ladies or the Gents? According to the SC ruling she is a biological male whose legal rights are not changed by her GRC and no longer has the right to enter female single-sex spaces. Consequently will you make her poo in the boys' toilets or does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception?..."
And this is the third time I have asked you today, and the fourth time since the ruling. (The "your friend Lauren" refers to RochdalePioneer's insistence that his trans woman friend Lauren should be allowed to use the girls' loos because reasons)
You become more grotesque with each iteration of this debate
Do you go around asking your friends - especially those of a trans disposition - “hey, where do you actually shit”? Do you? If you do I suspect you’re like several other PBers and have almost zero friends. And here we see why. Perhaps you could get a dog, or talk to @kinabalu. He needs a friend too
Amazingly enough I’m never going to ask a good friend - one of many good friends I am lucky to have - “hey where do you shit”
But if forced to hazard a guess I’d say 99.99% she uses the ladies because she is a post op trans woman and presents zero threat. You might claim this is some logical inconsistency and perhaps it is, but until about five years ago I believe this was all self policing and worked as well as such a thing can. Humanity is not logical or perfect
But then came along a bunch of weird men who wanted access to women’s only spaces while remaining - sometimes obviously - men. And for some bizarre reason half the woke left decided to support these lunatic cranks - and have now met with disaster
So, peering through the blather, you recognise and decry this as a major reversal of trans rights and blame it on the hyperactive zealotry of those campaigning to extend them too far.
I have it?
It’s ‘Trump is the fault of Woke libtards, not the people who voted for him’ all over again.
People voted for him because of Woke libtards.
This really isn't difficult.
Like people voted for Hitler cos of the Social Democrats and the transvestites? The Right not taking responsibility for their rsoles has always been with us.
If you're a complete twat to anyone outside your own activist base, mock them, insult them, campaign and actively legislate against them, then you can't just disown anyone who votes for an alternative platform you don't like on the basis they need to take "responsibility" for it.
What it shows is an astonishing lack of self-awareness, something hyper-liberals have always struggled with.
And the right have never mocked or insulted anyone who doesn't agree with them?
"What about.."
I think it's normal for people to think they are right on an issue and people that disagree with them just haven't studied it enough or have chosen to be wrong. Groupthink happens in all groups, not just political tribes. I'm not whatabouting, just that it's hypocritical for you to complain about the 'other side' doing what 'your side' does all the time as well.
During my three months in NZ over our winter, I got the sense while there's some residual affection for "the mother country" especially among older New Zealanders, the younger population doesn't have the affinity with the UK we seem to imagine.
I'd also point out the growth in "retirement villages" across parts of suburban NZ means if an older UK couple could just sell up and move to NZ, the price they would get for their UK property would likely afford them something very reasonable in NZ. Conversely, I suppose, free movement would offer younger Kiwis an alternative to Australia for work and study.
If Canada and the UK and Oz etc do unite we must surely call it the
Federal Union of Commonwealth Kingdoms
So desperate to band together with someone, anyone. It is a national disease. We should ban the entering of all international commitments for a period of at least a decade whilst we conduct a search for our missing testicle.
...I can see a world of difference between people who are seriously and medically altering their bodies to become the gender they believe they really are, and a bloke wearing a frock and a wig...
...Perhaps a certificate to recognise the ressignment of gender would have been useful to distinguish between the two groups. But after the Supreme Court decision it appears such an instrument bestows no rights enforceable in a court...
The GRC was meant to be the State saying “we recognise that you wish to be treated as X”.
That shouldn’t undermine the rights of women.
What has happened here is a small group of trans activists aggressively pushing their agenda (selfID) regardless of the rights of others. It has ended up with a bright line being drawn that is not necessarily to their advantage.
Pre/post op - while I’m sure not 100% perfect in all cases - was always the simplest “test” for determining the right to access women-only spaces
Quite so
How many people have good post op trans friends on here? I do. Julia nee Julian. Met him (then) at uni, he transitioned in his 30s, he went through two years of living as a woman before the NHS would agree to surgery and give him/her a GRC
He is now she and just got married to her female partner. She is happily she
She’s livid about the modern breed of TRAs and the demands for self id without surgery etc. She thinks it’s mad and bad for trans women like her and she says the old system worked fine
So there you go. Take it up with HER
Last time you mentioned her she was a pipe-smoking man in his forties before transition. Try to keep the details consistent (incidentally you add more details over time: I don't know if that means you're making it up or that you are not).
But this brings us back to my question of earlier in the week: does she shit in the Ladies or the Gents? According to the SC ruling she is a biological male whose legal rights are not changed by her GRC and no longer has the right to enter female single-sex spaces. Consequently will you make her poo in the boys' toilets or does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception?
I really did not say this you lying fuck
The story is true and it stayed consistent for that reason
Grrrr
I'm pretty sure you mentioned pipe-smoking, which Is why I remember it: it was such an odd detail. You stated off with a taxi-driver friend who had said something, then mentioned a transitioning grandchild of acquaintances who were distressed, then mentioned a friend, then you said you had driven that friend to the hospital for surgery, and now you have named her both before-and-after Given your prediliction for escalation, I assumed the next iteration is for you to have cut her cock off with a rusty knife and an elastic band, but that's up to you.
But you haven't answered my question: should she shit in the Ladies' or Gents' now? Does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception in your eyes?
Oh do fuck off
1. She (then he) was one of my best friends at uni - still a good friend 2. She supported (still does) Leicester city - her hometown 3. Born Julian now Julia 4. Transitioned in her 30s. Was before quite stereotypically male in some ways, even smoked a pipe at one point, also loved snooker darts etc 5. Did her op at Charing X hospital where I went to see her during the process 6. Did her two years living as woman, then got op on NHS and GRC and has lived as a woman, with relative happiness, and no apparent regrets, ever since 7. Her attitudes to modern TRAs are exactly as I say 8. She recently married her long term female partner (we all guessed they were in an intimate relationship but for some reason they would never talk about it - I’m glad she has now for her/their sake)
There. That’s it. That’s the case. I resent the imputation I’m lying so go fuck yourself with a fossilised baseball bat, twat
I wasn't implying you were lying. I was implying you escalated your anecdotes in a drug filled haze, which you do. You live in a colorful world flitting hither and yon like a drunken butterfly and relate anecdotes similarly embroidered. It is not possible at any given moment to tell whether you are lying, high, or simply relating extraordinary facts.
Don't be offended. Rather than lying he 'borrows' stories. One of my favourites was a rat running out of the toilet bowl that he was sitting on which started life running out of David Attenborough's.
Ireland is never going to (at State level) touch an Anglosphere union, although it'd be relaxed about its individual citizens choosing to join or help it.
For what it’s worth @Cyclefree my girlfriend (who is not very politically engaged) is very upset with the Supreme Court decision. A lot of my other women (not trans women) friends are also upset with it.
It isn’t a men vs women issue.
All the SC has done is to try to untangle what parliament has done and inform parliament and us what it is. It has expressed no preferences or ideologies. They have clarified current law. Discussion of the SC should be confined to the detail of how it has reasoned and argued in trying to comprehend a difficult to comprehend parliament.
It is for government and parliament to decide if they should amend what they have already set in place.
There is no good reason to be either pleased or upset with the SC. Keep all that for parliament and government. And our SC should not be confused with the massively politicised SCOTUS.
Lawyer Gallowgate's homework can be to explain this to his girlfriend; once that's done, if it's not too exciting he can explain to her why the SC recently declined to revisit and overrule Boardman v Phipps.
I think the critical difference between our SC and the US SC is that our SC (at least post Baroness Hale) tells us what the law is. They do not regard it as a part of their function to tell us what it should be. That is a good thing.
The great strength of this judgment is its clarity. The hybrid solution that the Inner House had come up with in Scotland where sometimes women means biological woman and sometimes it means biological woman plus GRC holders and sometimes it even means biological women + GRC holders plus those who identify as women was frankly an incomprehensible mess which made giving clear advice on any given set of facts almost impossible.
Its weaknesses have been explored on this thread today and I have found the various contributions interesting. The Court did emphasise that transgenderism is a protected characteristic and they continue to have the right not to be discriminated against. I suspect the next wave of litigation will be trying to put some meat on that statement. If a GRC does not make a man a woman what does it do? What does the right not to be discriminated against mean in the real world? It certainly does not mean that someone's sex has changed "for all purposes" as set out in s9 of the 2004 Act. Baroness Falkner was asked this on R4 yesterday morning. She suggested, for example, that if someone was dismissed because they were transgender then they would have a claim. It will be interesting to see how far that can go.
Yes.
One of the weaknesses of discourse about tricky issues is the failure to make proper distinctions. Everything comes down to foundational philosophy in the end. In this debate there is wonderful unclarity because of the failure to distinguish between a word, a thing and a concept.
Parliament can legislate to require, on pain of punishment, that we describe the planet earth as flat (word). What it can't do is require that the earth is flat (concept). Because the earth is a thing which has a shape customarily encoded in the word 'round', standing happily for the non verbal concept exemplified by the general shape of billiard balls.
We now know from the Rwanda Act (now I think repealed) that parliament is literally capable of doing exactly this, with a straight face, when is commanded that Rwanda was a safe country (word), whether or not it was in fact safe (concept).
Words like woman, female, gender, sex are peculiarly subject to these verbal and conceptual equivocations.
If Canada and the UK and Oz etc do unite we must surely call it the
Federal Union of Commonwealth Kingdoms
So desperate to band together with someone, anyone. It is a national disease. We should ban the entering of all international commitments for a period of at least a decade whilst we conduct a search for our missing testicle.
Is that not in the Albert Hall? My memory may be playing tricks on me.
...I can see a world of difference between people who are seriously and medically altering their bodies to become the gender they believe they really are, and a bloke wearing a frock and a wig...
...Perhaps a certificate to recognise the ressignment of gender would have been useful to distinguish between the two groups. But after the Supreme Court decision it appears such an instrument bestows no rights enforceable in a court...
The GRC was meant to be the State saying “we recognise that you wish to be treated as X”.
That shouldn’t undermine the rights of women.
What has happened here is a small group of trans activists aggressively pushing their agenda (selfID) regardless of the rights of others. It has ended up with a bright line being drawn that is not necessarily to their advantage.
Pre/post op - while I’m sure not 100% perfect in all cases - was always the simplest “test” for determining the right to access women-only spaces
Quite so
How many people have good post op trans friends on here? I do. Julia nee Julian. Met him (then) at uni, he transitioned in his 30s, he went through two years of living as a woman before the NHS would agree to surgery and give him/her a GRC
He is now she and just got married to her female partner. She is happily she
She’s livid about the modern breed of TRAs and the demands for self id without surgery etc. She thinks it’s mad and bad for trans women like her and she says the old system worked fine
So there you go. Take it up with HER
Last time you mentioned her she was a pipe-smoking man in his forties before transition. Try to keep the details consistent (incidentally you add more details over time: I don't know if that means you're making it up or that you are not).
But this brings us back to my question of earlier in the week: does she shit in the Ladies or the Gents? According to the SC ruling she is a biological male whose legal rights are not changed by her GRC and no longer has the right to enter female single-sex spaces. Consequently will you make her poo in the boys' toilets or does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception?
I really did not say this you lying fuck
The story is true and it stayed consistent for that reason
Grrrr
I'm pretty sure you mentioned pipe-smoking, which Is why I remember it: it was such an odd detail. You stated off with a taxi-driver friend who had said something, then mentioned a transitioning grandchild of acquaintances who were distressed, then mentioned a friend, then you said you had driven that friend to the hospital for surgery, and now you have named her both before-and-after Given your prediliction for escalation, I assumed the next iteration is for you to have cut her cock off with a rusty knife and an elastic band, but that's up to you.
But you haven't answered my question: should she shit in the Ladies' or Gents' now? Does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception in your eyes?
Oh do fuck off
1. She (then he) was one of my best friends at uni - still a good friend 2. She supported (still does) Leicester city - her hometown 3. Born Julian now Julia 4. Transitioned in her 30s. Was before quite stereotypically male in some ways, even smoked a pipe at one point, also loved snooker darts etc 5. Did her op at Charing X hospital where I went to see her during the process 6. Did her two years living as woman, then got op on NHS and GRC and has lived as a woman, with relative happiness, and no apparent regrets, ever since 7. Her attitudes to modern TRAs are exactly as I say 8. She recently married her long term female partner (we all guessed they were in an intimate relationship but for some reason they would never talk about it - I’m glad she has now for her/their sake)
There. That’s it. That’s the case. I resent the imputation I’m lying so go fuck yourself with a fossilised baseball bat, twat
I wasn't implying you were lying. I was implying you escalated your anecdotes in a drug filled haze, which you do. You live in a colorful world flitting hither and yon like a drunken butterfly and relate anecdotes similarly embroidered. It is not possible at any given moment to tell whether you are lying, high, or simply relating extraordinary facts.
You absolutely implied I was lying. Any pb-er can read for themselves upthread. Turns out I wasn’t lying, you were, and now you’re lying about your lying
A good days work. Well done
Thank you. But I'm afraid you are incorrect. In fact, you are lying about me lying about your lying about me lying.
In all the kerfuffle he never did answer your question. Method in the madness.
This malodorous fuckmuppet @viewcode was falsely accusing me of lies in a fairly odious way. I wasn’t even aware of a question
The question was as follows:
"...But this brings us back to my question of earlier in the week: does she shit in the Ladies or the Gents? According to the SC ruling she is a biological male whose legal rights are not changed by her GRC and no longer has the right to enter female single-sex spaces. Consequently will you make her poo in the boys' toilets or does she have a "your friend Lauren" exception?..."
And this is the third time I have asked you today, and the fourth time since the ruling. (The "your friend Lauren" refers to RochdalePioneer's insistence that his trans woman friend Lauren should be allowed to use the girls' loos because reasons)
You become more grotesque with each iteration of this debate
Do you go around asking your friends - especially those of a trans disposition - “hey, where do you actually shit”? Do you? If you do I suspect you’re like several other PBers and have almost zero friends. And here we see why. Perhaps you could get a dog, or talk to @kinabalu. He needs a friend too
Amazingly enough I’m never going to ask a good friend - one of many good friends I am lucky to have - “hey where do you shit”
But if forced to hazard a guess I’d say 99.99% she uses the ladies because she is a post op trans woman and presents zero threat. You might claim this is some logical inconsistency and perhaps it is, but until about five years ago I believe this was all self policing and worked as well as such a thing can. Humanity is not logical or perfect
But then came along a bunch of weird men who wanted access to women’s only spaces while remaining - sometimes obviously - men. And for some bizarre reason half the woke left decided to support these lunatic cranks - and have now met with disaster
So, peering through the blather, you recognise and decry this as a major reversal of trans rights and blame it on the hyperactive zealotry of those campaigning to extend them too far.
I have it?
It’s ‘Trump is the fault of Woke libtards, not the people who voted for him’ all over again.
People voted for him because of Woke libtards.
This really isn't difficult.
Like people voted for Hitler cos of the Social Democrats and the transvestites? The Right not taking responsibility for their rsoles has always been with us.
If you're a complete twat to anyone outside your own activist base, mock them, insult them, campaign and actively legislate against them, then you can't just disown anyone who votes for an alternative platform you don't like on the basis they need to take "responsibility" for it.
What it shows is an astonishing lack of self-awareness, something hyper-liberals have always struggled with.
Even with everything that's happened in the US I think in a rerun Americans would still vote Trump into power. That's how badly the democrats have lost credibility with people. You fundamentally can't tell voters that women have cocks or that men can get pregnant and then expect them to listen on any other subject, that's the most basic reasoning behind the loss against Trump and they have made no moves to disown any it, in fact when Trump attempted to get women's sport protected from biological men the Dems on the Senate blocked it. They have learned precisely zero from their election loss.
On the Nate Silver favorability tracker, Trump's has really taken a dive since the election. I would also note that the Dems have done really well in all the Special Elections since November, to the extent that the Republicans pulled the Elise Stefanik UN Ambassador nomination to avoid one in her Congressional District.
My gut, if the election were to be rerun, is that the Dems wouldn't get any more votes; but quite a few Republicans probably wouldn't bother turning up.
Liz Truss in talks with senior Reform figures (Times).
Are the Conservatives really that lucky?
The one time I would watch HIGNFY in the future would be the one where the newly elected Conservative / Reform PM as guest victim announced on air that Liz Truss was, with immediate effect, the new Director General of the BBC - oh the smile on Ian Hislop's face !
There has been a massive amount of trans hatred online over the last couple of days.
Anyone who denies trans people exist, or want to make being trans impossible, can fuck right off.
Getting your panties in a bunch Josias, calm down dear.
Nah, not really.
Seriously Malc; you should read some of the stuff that's out there. If this continues another trans person will end up being killed.
This is the new world, where trans people are all just pretending. Hence the very deliberate language in the header about “sad trans identified men”. The sneery dismissal oozing out, which reminds me a little of the Russian attitude to “so called Ukrainians” with their pretend country.
It’s like the olden days when being gay was “just a phase”.
Cyclefree has always been deep inside Gender Crit circles - in case that wasn’t already obvious. This is the language GCs have always used amongst themselves. Now she feels free to use it in public.
You played for high stakes, and lost.
Suck it up.
Good to remind ourselves every now and again why 'Never Kissed a Tory' badges used to go like hot cakes
I always thought that fuckatory* week would be more enjoyable than a "Never Kissed a Tory" badge.
* Was this in The Tick of It?
Not if the only ones available that particular week are Casino and Leon!
Lol.
I suspect Leon and I have had more and better sex with socialist women than almost all their male fellow travellers on this board.
Liz Truss in talks with senior Reform figures (Times).
Are the Conservatives really that lucky?
The one time I would watch HIGNFY in the future would be the one where the newly elected Conservative / Reform PM as guest victim announced on air that Liz Truss was, with immediate effect, the new Director General of the BBC - oh the smile on Ian Hislop's face !
It's completely fine, Truss is devoted to free speech, I'm sure that she would have no problem with Hislop taking the pee out of her on HIGNFY.
Liz Truss in talks with senior Reform figures (Times).
This will end in tears. The Fukkers unequivocally need an attention seeking gobshite to be heard. What they can't have is two.
Maybe she thinks Farage won't betray and discard her. I mean she thought she could be PM so she does have vivid imagination utterly unmoored from the actuality.
If she's doing this, I don't think it's to lead the party, it will simply be a calculation to get back into parliament. With the Tories, she probably wouldn't get a shot, much less win a seat against a Reform candidate. On a Reform wave, she has a very good chance of both a seat and a win.
Ireland is never going to (at State level) touch an Anglosphere union, although it'd be relaxed about its individual citizens choosing to join or help it.
If Canada and the UK and Oz etc do unite we must surely call it the
Federal Union of Commonwealth Kingdoms
So desperate to band together with someone, anyone. It is a national disease. We should ban the entering of all international commitments for a period of at least a decade whilst we conduct a search for our missing testicle.
Is that not in the Albert Hall? My memory may be playing tricks on me.
North London schools, 1960s, the Albert Hall is where Hitler's missing part resided, not the nation's. Tune: Colonel Bogey.
There has been a massive amount of trans hatred online over the last couple of days.
Anyone who denies trans people exist, or want to make being trans impossible, can fuck right off.
Getting your panties in a bunch Josias, calm down dear.
Nah, not really.
Seriously Malc; you should read some of the stuff that's out there. If this continues another trans person will end up being killed.
This is the new world, where trans people are all just pretending. Hence the very deliberate language in the header about “sad trans identified men”. The sneery dismissal oozing out, which reminds me a little of the Russian attitude to “so called Ukrainians” with their pretend country.
It’s like the olden days when being gay was “just a phase”.
Cyclefree has always been deep inside Gender Crit circles - in case that wasn’t already obvious. This is the language GCs have always used amongst themselves. Now she feels free to use it in public.
You played for high stakes, and lost.
Suck it up.
Good to remind ourselves every now and again why 'Never Kissed a Tory' badges used to go like hot cakes
I always thought that fuckatory* week would be more enjoyable than a "Never Kissed a Tory" badge.
* Was this in The Tick of It?
Not if the only ones available that particular week are Casino and Leon!
Lol.
I suspect Leon and I have had more and better sex with socialist women than almost all their male fellow travellers on this board.
I didn't know you'd had any sex with white male socialist fellow travellers on this board.
During my three months in NZ over our winter, I got the sense while there's some residual affection for "the mother country" especially among older New Zealanders, the younger population doesn't have the affinity with the UK we seem to imagine.
I'd also point out the growth in "retirement villages" across parts of suburban NZ means if an older UK couple could just sell up and move to NZ, the price they would get for their UK property would likely afford them something very reasonable in NZ. Conversely, I suppose, free movement would offer younger Kiwis an alternative to Australia for work and study.
Have given serious consideration to emigrating to NZ, I love the country and the people and I've visited just about every nook and cranny of both islands. I could do it: I am in my 50s and early retired. But I would be bored living there all the time, have come to the conclusion that being able to visit for up to 6 months as a tourist is good enough, and if I want to be static then I'll just rent somewhere temporarily each time. NZ rents are pretty low as a % of their overheated property values.
If Canada and the UK and Oz etc do unite we must surely call it the
Federal Union of Commonwealth Kingdoms
So desperate to band together with someone, anyone. It is a national disease. We should ban the entering of all international commitments for a period of at least a decade whilst we conduct a search for our missing testicle.
Is that not in the Albert Hall? My memory may be playing tricks on me.
It was, but it was stolen. Last seen in a Welsh pub.
There has been a massive amount of trans hatred online over the last couple of days.
Anyone who denies trans people exist, or want to make being trans impossible, can fuck right off.
Getting your panties in a bunch Josias, calm down dear.
Nah, not really.
Seriously Malc; you should read some of the stuff that's out there. If this continues another trans person will end up being killed.
This is the new world, where trans people are all just pretending. Hence the very deliberate language in the header about “sad trans identified men”. The sneery dismissal oozing out, which reminds me a little of the Russian attitude to “so called Ukrainians” with their pretend country.
It’s like the olden days when being gay was “just a phase”.
Cyclefree has always been deep inside Gender Crit circles - in case that wasn’t already obvious. This is the language GCs have always used amongst themselves. Now she feels free to use it in public.
You played for high stakes, and lost.
Suck it up.
Good to remind ourselves every now and again why 'Never Kissed a Tory' badges used to go like hot cakes
I always thought that fuckatory* week would be more enjoyable than a "Never Kissed a Tory" badge.
* Was this in The Tick of It?
Not if the only ones available that particular week are Casino and Leon!
Lol.
I suspect Leon and I have had more and better sex with socialist women than almost all their male fellow travellers on this board.
I didn't know you'd had any sex with white male socialist fellow travellers on this board.
Sometimes it's hard to tell, which brings us back to...
Liz Truss in talks with senior Reform figures (Times).
This will end in tears. The Fukkers unequivocally need an attention seeking gobshite to be heard. What they can't have is two.
Maybe she thinks Farage won't betray and discard her. I mean she thought she could be PM so she does have vivid imagination utterly unmoored from the actuality.
I think Truss is desperately trying to find a purpose that isn't being a laughing stock..
One of the good ways of doing that is quietly and kindly doing all the good in the world that you can without drawing any attention to it.
Question for the legal minds on here: If a cis woman is to be strip-searched by the BTP, how does she prove that she's not trans?
It seems like the Supreme Court think they have decided the difference between men and women on biology, but as their comments about excluding trans men from female-only spaces shows, they are setting the line on appearance. I fear that many cis women will fall on the wrong side of that dividing line.
This is one of the biggest problems with the law as now clarified. Appearance has never been an even vaguely reliable way to tell trans and cis people apart. Most trans women won't have undergone reassignment surgery to the extent they are physically indistinguishable from a cis woman in a strip search, but it does happen. The only definitive way is a DNA test.
The law puts businesses, public bodies and the Police in an impossible position. They are required to differentiate between trans and cis people, which is damn near impossible in many cases. The practical upshot is trans people will still use the loos they feel safest in, but now they're open to prosecution for doing it.
And, yes, woe betide any cis woman who has a somewhat masculine appearance.
What I'm not clear about is how widely the Supreme Court definition applies. Is it, as some claim, merely tidying up the mess left by the GRA's incompatibility with the ERA, or does it cover all laws?
Liz Truss in talks with senior Reform figures (Times).
I can see what's in it for Truss, but how does that benefit Reform?
Unless the whole thing is a Bialystock and Bloom scam, and those in charge are desperate to find a way to make sure they don't bring the whole thing crashing down by winning.
Funny if Liz Truss wins her constituency back at the next election as a Reform candidate.
Not an impossible scenario. That said, I think it is worth noting just how badly she did.
She went from 69% of the vote (stop sniggering at the back) to 26%. There aren't many Conservatives who got quite so badly mullered as she did, which perhaps suggests she has whatever the opposite is to a personal vote.
There has been a massive amount of trans hatred online over the last couple of days.
Anyone who denies trans people exist, or want to make being trans impossible, can fuck right off.
Getting your panties in a bunch Josias, calm down dear.
Nah, not really.
Seriously Malc; you should read some of the stuff that's out there. If this continues another trans person will end up being killed.
This is the new world, where trans people are all just pretending. Hence the very deliberate language in the header about “sad trans identified men”. The sneery dismissal oozing out, which reminds me a little of the Russian attitude to “so called Ukrainians” with their pretend country.
It’s like the olden days when being gay was “just a phase”.
Cyclefree has always been deep inside Gender Crit circles - in case that wasn’t already obvious. This is the language GCs have always used amongst themselves. Now she feels free to use it in public.
You played for high stakes, and lost.
Suck it up.
Good to remind ourselves every now and again why 'Never Kissed a Tory' badges used to go like hot cakes
I always thought that fuckatory* week would be more enjoyable than a "Never Kissed a Tory" badge.
* Was this in The Tick of It?
Not if the only ones available that particular week are Casino and Leon!
Lol.
I suspect Leon and I have had more and better sex with socialist women than almost all their male fellow travellers on this board.
There has been a massive amount of trans hatred online over the last couple of days.
Anyone who denies trans people exist, or want to make being trans impossible, can fuck right off.
Getting your panties in a bunch Josias, calm down dear.
Nah, not really.
Seriously Malc; you should read some of the stuff that's out there. If this continues another trans person will end up being killed.
This is the new world, where trans people are all just pretending. Hence the very deliberate language in the header about “sad trans identified men”. The sneery dismissal oozing out, which reminds me a little of the Russian attitude to “so called Ukrainians” with their pretend country.
It’s like the olden days when being gay was “just a phase”.
Cyclefree has always been deep inside Gender Crit circles - in case that wasn’t already obvious. This is the language GCs have always used amongst themselves. Now she feels free to use it in public.
You played for high stakes, and lost.
Suck it up.
Good to remind ourselves every now and again why 'Never Kissed a Tory' badges used to go like hot cakes
I always thought that fuckatory* week would be more enjoyable than a "Never Kissed a Tory" badge.
* Was this in The Tick of It?
Not if the only ones available that particular week are Casino and Leon!
Lol.
I suspect Leon and I have had more and better sex with socialist women than almost all their male fellow travellers on this board.
I didn't know you'd had any sex with white male socialist fellow travellers on this board.
Question for the legal minds on here: If a cis woman is to be strip-searched by the BTP, how does she prove that she's not trans?
It seems like the Supreme Court think they have decided the difference between men and women on biology, but as their comments about excluding trans men from female-only spaces shows, they are setting the line on appearance. I fear that many cis women will fall on the wrong side of that dividing line.
This is one of the biggest problems with the law as now clarified. Appearance has never been an even vaguely reliable way to tell trans and cis people apart. Most trans women won't have undergone reassignment surgery to the extent they are physically indistinguishable from a cis woman in a strip search, but it does happen. The only definitive way is a DNA test.
The law puts businesses, public bodies and the Police in an impossible position. They are required to differentiate between trans and cis people, which is damn near impossible in many cases. The practical upshot is trans people will still use the loos they feel safest in, but now they're open to prosecution for doing it.
And, yes, woe betide any cis woman who has a somewhat masculine appearance.
What I'm not clear about is how widely the Supreme Court definition applies. Is it, as some claim, merely tidying up the mess left by the GRA's incompatibility with the ERA, or does it cover all laws?
In a way I don't think it matters, organisations will have to play it safe and err on the side of treating trans women as men instead of playing safe and erring on the side of treating trans women as women. So Leon's friend Julia will, next time she's in hospital will be placed in a male-only ward because they fear they would be breaking the law by putting her in a female-only ward.
There has been a massive amount of trans hatred online over the last couple of days.
Anyone who denies trans people exist, or want to make being trans impossible, can fuck right off.
Getting your panties in a bunch Josias, calm down dear.
Nah, not really.
Seriously Malc; you should read some of the stuff that's out there. If this continues another trans person will end up being killed.
This is the new world, where trans people are all just pretending. Hence the very deliberate language in the header about “sad trans identified men”. The sneery dismissal oozing out, which reminds me a little of the Russian attitude to “so called Ukrainians” with their pretend country.
It’s like the olden days when being gay was “just a phase”.
Cyclefree has always been deep inside Gender Crit circles - in case that wasn’t already obvious. This is the language GCs have always used amongst themselves. Now she feels free to use it in public.
You played for high stakes, and lost.
Suck it up.
Good to remind ourselves every now and again why 'Never Kissed a Tory' badges used to go like hot cakes
I always thought that fuckatory* week would be more enjoyable than a "Never Kissed a Tory" badge.
* Was this in The Tick of It?
Not if the only ones available that particular week are Casino and Leon!
Lol.
I suspect Leon and I have had more and better sex with socialist women than almost all their male fellow travellers on this board.
There has been a massive amount of trans hatred online over the last couple of days.
Anyone who denies trans people exist, or want to make being trans impossible, can fuck right off.
Getting your panties in a bunch Josias, calm down dear.
Nah, not really.
Seriously Malc; you should read some of the stuff that's out there. If this continues another trans person will end up being killed.
This is the new world, where trans people are all just pretending. Hence the very deliberate language in the header about “sad trans identified men”. The sneery dismissal oozing out, which reminds me a little of the Russian attitude to “so called Ukrainians” with their pretend country.
It’s like the olden days when being gay was “just a phase”.
Cyclefree has always been deep inside Gender Crit circles - in case that wasn’t already obvious. This is the language GCs have always used amongst themselves. Now she feels free to use it in public.
You played for high stakes, and lost.
Suck it up.
Good to remind ourselves every now and again why 'Never Kissed a Tory' badges used to go like hot cakes
I always thought that fuckatory* week would be more enjoyable than a "Never Kissed a Tory" badge.
* Was this in The Tick of It?
Not if the only ones available that particular week are Casino and Leon!
Lol.
I suspect Leon and I have had more and better sex with socialist women than almost all their male fellow travellers on this board.
I didn't know you'd had any sex with white male socialist fellow travellers on this board.
No lead in the voting pencil I heard, in Leon’s case anyway. ‘Almost all’ is intriguing though, presumably a few white male socialists had the blood pumping.
During my three months in NZ over our winter, I got the sense while there's some residual affection for "the mother country" especially among older New Zealanders, the younger population doesn't have the affinity with the UK we seem to imagine.
I'd also point out the growth in "retirement villages" across parts of suburban NZ means if an older UK couple could just sell up and move to NZ, the price they would get for their UK property would likely afford them something very reasonable in NZ. Conversely, I suppose, free movement would offer younger Kiwis an alternative to Australia for work and study.
Though UK is still closer culturally to New Zealand than any other nation on earth, as well as sharing the same King.
Beyond that we already have a trade deal with them anyway despite their relatively small economy
During my three months in NZ over our winter, I got the sense while there's some residual affection for "the mother country" especially among older New Zealanders, the younger population doesn't have the affinity with the UK we seem to imagine.
I'd also point out the growth in "retirement villages" across parts of suburban NZ means if an older UK couple could just sell up and move to NZ, the price they would get for their UK property would likely afford them something very reasonable in NZ. Conversely, I suppose, free movement would offer younger Kiwis an alternative to Australia for work and study.
Though UK is still closer culturally to New Zealand than any other nation on earth, as well as sharing the same King.
Beyond that we already have a trade deal with them anyway despite their relatively small economy
If Canada and the UK and Oz etc do unite we must surely call it the
Federal Union of Commonwealth Kingdoms
Greater Britain
Empire Redux.
The Making the Globe Pink Again Empire. Perhaps they could even get a float at Pride parades.
Except this new bloc has a strong hetero vibe. It's all the countries Bond would have considered sound minus the USA.
Canada provided for same sex marriage in 2005, the fourth country in the world to do so. The UK in 2014, the fourteenth.
It is not yet legal in India or Nigeria.
Such a union couldn't just be based on friendly liberal pats on the back over gay marriage.
I was responding to the suggestion that such a union carried the unsavoury odour of heterosexuality.
Yes, I didn't really get kinabalu's point there? How are Canada and Australia more heterosexual than other countries? And why is this unsavoury if it's true?
The reason Brits always add Oz and NZ to Canada as a potential political marriage partner is because Brits want to have the option of somewhere warm and sunny to go. Australia
For all its many virtues Canada doesn’t provide that
I really do think it is as simple as that
Or maybe throwback nostalgia for Empire (white bits).
I mean, we had FOM to lots of warm sunny countries in Europe, didn't we? Can't have been that much of a big deal given what happened.
Have you been to Oz? I have many times
Of course I have a daughter there and much family but that kinda proves the point I’m trying to make
Oz is family. Close family. In a way mainland europe can never be. Europe is neighbours, maybe cousins, friends at best
Australia is our blood. I feel more at home in Australia than any other foreign country on earth. Indeed I don’t feel like I’m truly abroad in Australia - it’s a sunny Britain with more money but unfortunately huge distances. It feels more British than Ireland
I’ve never been to kiwi so can’t talk of it. I’ve been to Canada several times - I loved BC - and again it feels quite British but not as much as Oz
Everytime I post about UK-Canada, people want to add Australia-NZ.
There is probably a case for stronger links of some sort, but there is no geopolitical logic. The South Pacific is too far from the North Atlantic, as New Zealanders learned with the fall of Singapore.
The UK's future lies in good links with Nigeria and India, populous countries where English is widely spoken and with large growing educated middle classes.
It doesn't if Reform voters have anything to do with that, they wouldn't support that any more than they did staying in the EU.
While we have a fair number of Nigerian and Indian immigrants, economically we do much more trade with the EU/EEA than Nigeria and India and culturally we are much closer to the commonwealth realms like Australia, Canada and NZ.
India also sees itself as a Hindu nation in Asia now primarily and competing with China to lead Asia and putting the Raj behind it, while Nigeria is a mixed Christian and Muslim nation that wants to lead Africa not go back to closer ties with Britain
I'm pretty sure I'm male; I'm just making an Airfix tank kit with my son.
(Yes, I know there are some very good female modelers out there...)
(A 1:76 Sherman, if anyone cares.)
Firefly? Though for max nerd points you would be watching Firefly on the telly while modelmaking.
We did a 1:72 Firefly for his first starter kit a few weeks ago. This is not a starter kit, and is quite a bit harder. I've gone the whole hog and bought a load of (cheap) modelmaking tools and a magnifying visor, without which I wouldn't be able to build anything.
It's surprising how much easier having some proper sprue cutters is, over using a craft knife. And the round file has been ideal for ensuring the wheels fit onto the axles after he's painted them.
Good fun, in small doses. Do five minutes, go do something else, come back and glue a little more.
For what it’s worth @Cyclefree my girlfriend (who is not very politically engaged) is very upset with the Supreme Court decision. A lot of my other women (not trans women) friends are also upset with it.
It isn’t a men vs women issue.
All the SC has done is to try to untangle what parliament has done and inform parliament and us what it is. It has expressed no preferences or ideologies. They have clarified current law. Discussion of the SC should be confined to the detail of how it has reasoned and argued in trying to comprehend a difficult to comprehend parliament.
It is for government and parliament to decide if they should amend what they have already set in place.
There is no good reason to be either pleased or upset with the SC. Keep all that for parliament and government. And our SC should not be confused with the massively politicised SCOTUS.
Lawyer Gallowgate's homework can be to explain this to his girlfriend; once that's done, if it's not too exciting he can explain to her why the SC recently declined to revisit and overrule Boardman v Phipps.
I think the critical difference between our SC and the US SC is that our SC (at least post Baroness Hale) tells us what the law is. They do not regard it as a part of their function to tell us what it should be. That is a good thing.
The great strength of this judgment is its clarity. The hybrid solution that the Inner House had come up with in Scotland where sometimes women means biological woman and sometimes it means biological woman plus GRC holders and sometimes it even means biological women + GRC holders plus those who identify as women was frankly an incomprehensible mess which made giving clear advice on any given set of facts almost impossible.
Its weaknesses have been explored on this thread today and I have found the various contributions interesting. The Court did emphasise that transgenderism is a protected characteristic and they continue to have the right not to be discriminated against. I suspect the next wave of litigation will be trying to put some meat on that statement. If a GRC does not make a man a woman what does it do? What does the right not to be discriminated against mean in the real world? It certainly does not mean that someone's sex has changed "for all purposes" as set out in s9 of the 2004 Act. Baroness Falkner was asked this on R4 yesterday morning. She suggested, for example, that if someone was dismissed because they were transgender then they would have a claim. It will be interesting to see how far that can go.
Yes.
One of the weaknesses of discourse about tricky issues is the failure to make proper distinctions. Everything comes down to foundational philosophy in the end. In this debate there is wonderful unclarity because of the failure to distinguish between a word, a thing and a concept.
Parliament can legislate to require, on pain of punishment, that we describe the planet earth as flat (word). What it can't do is require that the earth is flat (concept). Because the earth is a thing which has a shape customarily encoded in the word 'round', standing happily for the non verbal concept exemplified by the general shape of billiard balls.
We now know from the Rwanda Act (now I think repealed) that parliament is literally capable of doing exactly this, with a straight face, when is commanded that Rwanda was a safe country (word), whether or not it was in fact safe (concept).
Words like woman, female, gender, sex are peculiarly subject to these verbal and conceptual equivocations.
Yes but slogans are damaged beyond repair with that way of thinking.
Sex matters! ... but so does gender identity and it's all about striking a balance
Transwomen are women! ... except for the purposes of the Equality Act 2010
During my three months in NZ over our winter, I got the sense while there's some residual affection for "the mother country" especially among older New Zealanders, the younger population doesn't have the affinity with the UK we seem to imagine.
I'd also point out the growth in "retirement villages" across parts of suburban NZ means if an older UK couple could just sell up and move to NZ, the price they would get for their UK property would likely afford them something very reasonable in NZ. Conversely, I suppose, free movement would offer younger Kiwis an alternative to Australia for work and study.
Though UK is still closer culturally to New Zealand than any other nation on earth, as well as sharing the same King.
Beyond that we already have a trade deal with them anyway despite their relatively small economy
If Canada and the UK and Oz etc do unite we must surely call it the
Federal Union of Commonwealth Kingdoms
Greater Britain
Empire Redux.
The Making the Globe Pink Again Empire. Perhaps they could even get a float at Pride parades.
Except this new bloc has a strong hetero vibe. It's all the countries Bond would have considered sound minus the USA.
Canada provided for same sex marriage in 2005, the fourth country in the world to do so. The UK in 2014, the fourteenth.
It is not yet legal in India or Nigeria.
Such a union couldn't just be based on friendly liberal pats on the back over gay marriage.
I was responding to the suggestion that such a union carried the unsavoury odour of heterosexuality.
Yes, I didn't really get kinabalu's point there? How are Canada and Australia more heterosexual than other countries? And why is this unsavoury if it's true?
The reason Brits always add Oz and NZ to Canada as a potential political marriage partner is because Brits want to have the option of somewhere warm and sunny to go. Australia
For all its many virtues Canada doesn’t provide that
I really do think it is as simple as that
Or maybe throwback nostalgia for Empire (white bits).
I mean, we had FOM to lots of warm sunny countries in Europe, didn't we? Can't have been that much of a big deal given what happened.
It's quite weird to talk about the "white bits" of the empire, as if it were a random coincidence rather than a reflection of the fact that those places were settled by British people.
Liz Truss in talks with senior Reform figures (Times).
I'm sure Kemi would be delighted to be rid of her...
Starmer would also be delighted, if there is one figure who could turn the redwall off Reform it would be the libertarian Truss who sent their mortgage rates surging .
There has been a massive amount of trans hatred online over the last couple of days.
Anyone who denies trans people exist, or want to make being trans impossible, can fuck right off.
Getting your panties in a bunch Josias, calm down dear.
Nah, not really.
Seriously Malc; you should read some of the stuff that's out there. If this continues another trans person will end up being killed.
This is the new world, where trans people are all just pretending. Hence the very deliberate language in the header about “sad trans identified men”. The sneery dismissal oozing out, which reminds me a little of the Russian attitude to “so called Ukrainians” with their pretend country.
It’s like the olden days when being gay was “just a phase”.
Cyclefree has always been deep inside Gender Crit circles - in case that wasn’t already obvious. This is the language GCs have always used amongst themselves. Now she feels free to use it in public.
You played for high stakes, and lost.
Suck it up.
Good to remind ourselves every now and again why 'Never Kissed a Tory' badges used to go like hot cakes
I always thought that fuckatory* week would be more enjoyable than a "Never Kissed a Tory" badge.
* Was this in The Tick of It?
Not if the only ones available that particular week are Casino and Leon!
Lol.
I suspect Leon and I have had more and better sex with socialist women than almost all their male fellow travellers on this board.
Just for a bit of fun - a hypothetical Pan-Anglosphere Election!
According to the most recent Anglosphere election results (with Canada and Australia pending), and with a total electoral college distributed proportionally by population (unlike the present US system!), but "winner-takes-all" at State level (like the present US system):
Remember - this just for a bit of fun!
USA (50 states plus DC) 538 electors (2024), but distributed proportionally 310 Radical Right, 228 Radical Left
US Territories (Puerto Rico, Guam, etc.) 6 Electors, ie. 5 for Puerto Rico, 1 at large for the others (2024) 5 Radical Left, 1 Radical Right
US Associated States (ie. Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Palau) and Australia/New Zealand "Protectorates" (ie. Kiribati, Nauru, Samoa), 1 at large Elector (2021 to 2025) 1 Radical Centrist Dad (most elected representatives are unaffiliated)
UK (4 "states", ie. the Home Nations) 109 electors (2024) 109 Radical Left (oh, well!)
UK Dependencies and Territories, 1 at large Elector (elections 2019 to 2025) 1 Radical Centrist Dad (most elected representatives are unaffiliated)
UK Commonwealth Realms (11 states), 28 Electors (elections 2020 to 2024) 20 Radical Centrist Dads/Moms, 5 Radical Right, 3 Radical Left
Canada (13 states, including Quebec) 60 electors (2021) 51 Radical Left, 9 Radical Right - of course, will change later in the year!
Australia (6 states plus Canberra, the Aus external territories are included in Canberra and WA) 42 electors (2022) 22 Radical Right, 20 Radical Left - of course, will change later in the year!
New Zealand (1 state, ie. the main islands plus the three territories) 8 electors (2023) 8 Radical Right
Ireland (1 state) 8 electors (2024) 8 Radical Right
Remember - this just for a bit of fun!
TOTAL: 801 Electoral Votes for the whole Anglosphere:
416 Radical Left Lunatics (51.9%) 363 Radical Right Lunatics (45.3%) 22 Radical Centrist Dads/Moms (2.8%)
And the "Populist" Vote:
113,340,707 Radical Left Lunatics (49.6%) 107,415,728 Radical Right Lunatics (47.1%) 7,552,218 Radical Centrist Dads/Moms (3.3%)
Funny if Liz Truss wins her constituency back at the next election as a Reform candidate.
Not an impossible scenario. That said, I think it is worth noting just how badly she did.
She went from 69% of the vote (stop sniggering at the back) to 26%. There aren't many Conservatives who got quite so badly mullered as she did, which perhaps suggests she has whatever the opposite is to a personal vote.
If Canada and the UK and Oz etc do unite we must surely call it the
Federal Union of Commonwealth Kingdoms
Greater Britain
Empire Redux.
The Making the Globe Pink Again Empire. Perhaps they could even get a float at Pride parades.
Except this new bloc has a strong hetero vibe. It's all the countries Bond would have considered sound minus the USA.
Canada provided for same sex marriage in 2005, the fourth country in the world to do so. The UK in 2014, the fourteenth.
It is not yet legal in India or Nigeria.
Such a union couldn't just be based on friendly liberal pats on the back over gay marriage.
I was responding to the suggestion that such a union carried the unsavoury odour of heterosexuality.
Yes, I didn't really get kinabalu's point there? How are Canada and Australia more heterosexual than other countries? And why is this unsavoury if it's true?
The reason Brits always add Oz and NZ to Canada as a potential political marriage partner is because Brits want to have the option of somewhere warm and sunny to go. Australia
For all its many virtues Canada doesn’t provide that
I really do think it is as simple as that
Or maybe throwback nostalgia for Empire (white bits).
I mean, we had FOM to lots of warm sunny countries in Europe, didn't we? Can't have been that much of a big deal given what happened.
Have you been to Oz? I have many times
Of course I have a daughter there and much family but that kinda proves the point I’m trying to make
Oz is family. Close family. In a way mainland europe can never be. Europe is neighbours, maybe cousins, friends at best
Australia is our blood. I feel more at home in Australia than any other foreign country on earth. Indeed I don’t feel like I’m truly abroad in Australia - it’s a sunny Britain with more money but unfortunately huge distances. It feels more British than Ireland
I’ve never been to kiwi so can’t talk of it. I’ve been to Canada several times - I loved BC - and again it feels quite British but not as much as Oz
Canada also has Francophone and French speaking Quebec whereas all Australia and NZ are English speaking
During my three months in NZ over our winter, I got the sense while there's some residual affection for "the mother country" especially among older New Zealanders, the younger population doesn't have the affinity with the UK we seem to imagine.
I'd also point out the growth in "retirement villages" across parts of suburban NZ means if an older UK couple could just sell up and move to NZ, the price they would get for their UK property would likely afford them something very reasonable in NZ. Conversely, I suppose, free movement would offer younger Kiwis an alternative to Australia for work and study.
Though UK is still closer culturally to New Zealand than any other nation on earth, as well as sharing the same King.
Beyond that we already have a trade deal with them anyway despite their relatively small economy
The country to which NZ is closest culturally is without doubt Australia. As for the economy, NZ is an export-driven economy but the key market now is China. Much of NZ's milk and dairy exports got to China and China is the leading export market for NZ beef and lamb.
Funny if Liz Truss wins her constituency back at the next election as a Reform candidate.
Not an impossible scenario. That said, I think it is worth noting just how badly she did.
She went from 69% of the vote (stop sniggering at the back) to 26%. There aren't many Conservatives who got quite so badly mullered as she did, which perhaps suggests she has whatever the opposite is to a personal vote.
22% went to Reform.
What percentage of those were right wingers who couldn't stand the thought of voting for Lettuce Loser?
Funny if Liz Truss wins her constituency back at the next election as a Reform candidate.
Not an impossible scenario. That said, I think it is worth noting just how badly she did.
She went from 69% of the vote (stop sniggering at the back) to 26%. There aren't many Conservatives who got quite so badly mullered as she did, which perhaps suggests she has whatever the opposite is to a personal vote.
I seem to recall there was an Ind Con candidate who specifically ran against her because she wasn’t often about in the constituency. Or something like that.
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Something which the modern British mind really struggled with.
Notwithstanding that Northern Ireland proves the point even domestically.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FvGECcK46o
Maybe she thinks Farage won't betray and discard her. I mean she thought she could be PM so she does have vivid imagination utterly unmoored from the actuality.
For all its many virtues Canada doesn’t provide that
I really do think it is as simple as that
Oh please
492 million people
28.7 million sq. km. (11.1 million sq. miles)
128 States and seats on the Federal Council
56 "Left", 47 "Right", 25 "Other" (per most recent elections)
801 seats in the Electoral College
417 "Left", 363 "Right", 21 "Other" (per most recent elections)
England most populous State (56 million people)
Pitcairn least populous State (47 people)
Western Australia largest area: 2,527,013 sq. km. (975,685 sq. miles)
Sark smallest area: 5 sq. km. (2 sq. miles)
76% speak English as main/home language
$37.665 trillion GDP ($76,510 per capita)
508 cities of 100,000 people or more
23 cities of 1,000,000 or more
London and New York more than 8,000,000
190 airports each serving at least 1,000,000 passengers in 2023
19 airlines with widebody jets, a total of 955 widebodies
128,000 km. (80,000 miles) of passenger railways, serving 14,400 stations
89 Submarines, including 22 ballistic
24 aircraft and helicopter carriers
152 major surface ships
82 large patrol vessels
3,421 jet fighters and bombers
2,817 main battle tanks
The Right not taking responsibility for their rsoles has always been with us.
Too much historical baggage.
Department of Transportation employees who provide support for Starlink and SpaceX launches safe amid job cuts
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/18/trump-space-employees-musk
Another happy coincidence.
What it shows is an astonishing lack of self-awareness, something hyper-liberals have always struggled with.
Take that as a ‘no’.
It won't be Agent Anderson, as in the spirit of a BH weekend I'm about to give him the rank of Sergeant Minor in the Black Shorts - when GPT gives me some more photo quota *.
* They are more generous than Mr Eagles, but not much more generous.
Sorry, but I think you need to hand yourself in to the PB Pedantry Police.
I mean, we had FOM to lots of warm sunny countries in Europe, didn't we? Can't have been that much of a big deal given what happened.
* Was this in The Tick of It?
I explained upthread they will be a State directly under the Federal Government (as will all other States), NOT under the UK (which will be replaced by ENG/SCO/WAL/NI in any case).
A Fawning Farage Lickspittle.
Whatever the Great Man says she will stridently repeat. She tried to Reform Britain and was stopped by the blob. Nigel Farage has been fighting the blob his entire career, so she'll be delighted to do all she can to help him finally beat the blob as she tried to do.
Ireland: 0
New Zealand: 0
Main battle tanks:
Ireland: 0
New Zealand: 0
The law puts businesses, public bodies and the Police in an impossible position. They are required to differentiate between trans and cis people, which is damn near impossible in many cases. The practical upshot is trans people will still use the loos they feel safest in, but now they're open to prosecution for doing it.
And, yes, woe betide any cis woman who has a somewhat masculine appearance.
More importantly, the USA, and everyone else, would need to meet a set of democracy and rule of law standards before it was allowed in.
Ahem.
I suspect Leon and I have had more and better sex with socialist women than almost all their male fellow travellers on this board.
During my three months in NZ over our winter, I got the sense while there's some residual affection for "the mother country" especially among older New Zealanders, the younger population doesn't have the affinity with the UK we seem to imagine.
I'd also point out the growth in "retirement villages" across parts of suburban NZ means if an older UK couple could just sell up and move to NZ, the price they would get for their UK property would likely afford them something very reasonable in NZ. Conversely, I suppose, free movement would offer younger Kiwis an alternative to Australia for work and study.
One of the weaknesses of discourse about tricky issues is the failure to make proper distinctions. Everything comes down to foundational philosophy in the end. In this debate there is wonderful unclarity because of the failure to distinguish between a word, a thing and a concept.
Parliament can legislate to require, on pain of punishment, that we describe the planet earth as flat (word). What it can't do is require that the earth is flat (concept). Because the earth is a thing which has a shape customarily encoded in the word 'round', standing happily for the non verbal concept exemplified by the general shape of billiard balls.
We now know from the Rwanda Act (now I think repealed) that parliament is literally capable of doing exactly this, with a straight face, when is commanded that Rwanda was a safe country (word), whether or not it was in fact safe (concept).
Words like woman, female, gender, sex are peculiarly subject to these verbal and conceptual equivocations.
My gut, if the election were to be rerun, is that the Dems wouldn't get any more votes; but quite a few Republicans probably wouldn't bother turning up.
Naval forces:
Ireland: 8 Large Patrol Vessels
NZ: 2 Frigates, 4 Large Patrol Vessels
(Yes, I know there are some very good female modelers out there...)
(A 1:76 Sherman, if anyone cares.)
Unless the whole thing is a Bialystock and Bloom scam, and those in charge are desperate to find a way to make sure they don't bring the whole thing crashing down by winning.
She went from 69% of the vote (stop sniggering at the back) to 26%. There aren't many Conservatives who got quite so badly mullered as she did, which perhaps suggests she has whatever the opposite is to a personal vote.
Though for max nerd points you would be watching Firefly on the telly while modelmaking.
‘Almost all’ is intriguing though, presumably a few white male socialists had the blood pumping.
Beyond that we already have a trade deal with them anyway despite their relatively small economy
Of course I have a daughter there and much family but that kinda proves the point I’m trying to make
Oz is family. Close family. In a way mainland europe can never be. Europe is neighbours, maybe cousins, friends at best
Australia is our blood. I feel more at home in Australia than any other foreign country on earth. Indeed I don’t feel like I’m truly abroad in Australia - it’s a sunny Britain with more money but unfortunately huge distances. It feels more British than Ireland
I’ve never been to kiwi so can’t talk of it. I’ve been to Canada several times - I loved BC - and again it feels quite British but not as much as Oz
While we have a fair number of Nigerian and Indian immigrants, economically we do much more trade with the EU/EEA than Nigeria and India and culturally we are much closer to the commonwealth realms like Australia, Canada and NZ.
India also sees itself as a Hindu nation in Asia now primarily and competing with China to lead Asia and putting the Raj behind it, while Nigeria is a mixed Christian and Muslim nation that wants to lead Africa not go back to closer ties with Britain
It's surprising how much easier having some proper sprue cutters is, over using a craft knife. And the round file has been ideal for ensuring the wheels fit onto the axles after he's painted them.
Good fun, in small doses. Do five minutes, go do something else, come back and glue a little more.
Sex matters! ... but so does gender identity and it's all about striking a balance
Transwomen are women! ... except for the purposes of the Equality Act 2010
You can't work like that.
As P J o’Rourke put it “no women ever had an orgasm fantasising about sex with a man dressed as a liberal”
According to the most recent Anglosphere election results (with Canada and Australia pending), and with a total electoral college distributed proportionally by population (unlike the present US system!), but "winner-takes-all" at State level (like the present US system):
Remember - this just for a bit of fun!
USA (50 states plus DC) 538 electors (2024), but distributed proportionally
310 Radical Right, 228 Radical Left
US Territories (Puerto Rico, Guam, etc.) 6 Electors, ie. 5 for Puerto Rico, 1 at large for the others (2024)
5 Radical Left, 1 Radical Right
US Associated States (ie. Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Palau) and Australia/New Zealand "Protectorates" (ie. Kiribati, Nauru, Samoa), 1 at large Elector (2021 to 2025)
1 Radical Centrist Dad (most elected representatives are unaffiliated)
UK (4 "states", ie. the Home Nations) 109 electors (2024)
109 Radical Left (oh, well!)
UK Dependencies and Territories, 1 at large Elector (elections 2019 to 2025)
1 Radical Centrist Dad (most elected representatives are unaffiliated)
UK Commonwealth Realms (11 states), 28 Electors (elections 2020 to 2024)
20 Radical Centrist Dads/Moms, 5 Radical Right, 3 Radical Left
Canada (13 states, including Quebec) 60 electors (2021)
51 Radical Left, 9 Radical Right - of course, will change later in the year!
Australia (6 states plus Canberra, the Aus external territories are included in Canberra and WA) 42 electors (2022)
22 Radical Right, 20 Radical Left - of course, will change later in the year!
New Zealand (1 state, ie. the main islands plus the three territories) 8 electors (2023)
8 Radical Right
Ireland (1 state) 8 electors (2024)
8 Radical Right
Remember - this just for a bit of fun!
TOTAL: 801 Electoral Votes for the whole Anglosphere:
416 Radical Left Lunatics (51.9%)
363 Radical Right Lunatics (45.3%)
22 Radical Centrist Dads/Moms (2.8%)
And the "Populist" Vote:
113,340,707 Radical Left Lunatics (49.6%)
107,415,728 Radical Right Lunatics (47.1%)
7,552,218 Radical Centrist Dads/Moms (3.3%)
Remember - this is just for a bit of fun!
Source: www.801.com
Badenoch is on +9%
https://conservativehome.com/2025/04/18/our-survey-jenrick-opens-up-a-sixty-point-lead-over-badenoch-in-our-shadow-cabinet-league-table/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Friday 18th April&utm_content=Friday 18th April+CID_a495f2de0653f2f6ef9dffc63ed77d4c&utm_source=Daily Email&utm_term=Our survey Jenrick opens up a sixty-point lead over Badenoch in our latest Shadow Cabinet League Table