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How’s about that, then? – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,396
edited April 3 in General
How’s about that, then? – politicalbetting.com

In Aylesbury NORTH West, another 2 member ward, Reform have only stood 1 candidate…Someone's clearly made quite a costly omission of the word 'North' when filling out a form.

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  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,491
    Farage scores highly on the Savile sleazyness scale. Oh, and first!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,487

    Farage scores highly on the Savile sleazyness scale. Oh, and first!

    Really, where would he fall in relation to Alex Salmond?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,370
    Jimmy Savile was innocent.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,655
    @atrupar.com‬

    on CNBC,
    @carlquintanilla.bsky.social
    describes the Trump administration as "burning down the house to cook a steak."

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3llw4nbc5ns2u
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,225
    Fix it? Is that a reference to the next GE? :open_mouth:

    The fix is in
    There's a wag gonna dance home in Clacton

    The fix is in
    Can't wait to see how it upsets 'em

    Too many times he was postally pipped
    He's channeling Saville, the lackeys are gripped
    He swapped out Thanet for the sand and the surf and the sin
    'Cause the fix, the fix is in
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,417
    From previous thread, if I may.

    Can I have a gentle wonder and leave myself open to correction of advice, please.

    AToW goods, from Nike trainers to Landrovers, are imported into the USA free of any sort of import tax. Presumably a crate, carton or whatever arrives at the dock and may or may not be inspected to ensure it is what the documentation says it is.
    Under the new arrangements somebody is going to have to ensure that each case etc has been valued and somewhere money has been guaranteed by someone?
    How much extra time, and more importantly, manpower..... sorry personpower ..... is that going to require. And how far is that going to clog the system?

    I've been thinking of the time I was checking exports of pharmaceuticals to Nigeria. At the time Nigeria was going through one of its bouts of financial problems and we had to ensure that the quality control documentation for each shipment was in the Bank in New York the same time as adequate monies were in the Bank.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,791
    edited April 3

    Farage scores highly on the Savile sleazyness scale. Oh, and first!

    Dunno. You would think if there was sexual sleaze (and with Savile we're not talking about "sleaze" but depraved, criminal activity) it would have come out long ago?

    If anything comes out about Farage, it'll be financial and/or in relation to Russia. But it won't be sexual, IMO.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,267
    edited April 3

    The currencies are the ones to be watching. The last time I looked, both the Euro and Sterling were up quite a lot against the dollar. As I understand it, that reduces the cost of US tariffs for us but makes reciprocal ones far more damaging for the Yanks.

    If the Euro and Sterling are up against the Dollar it compounds the tariffs by making it even more expensive for American buyers of goods priced in Euros or Sterling.

    Absolutely - or it makes it easier for producers of those goods to absorb some of the cost of the tariffs, while making it much harder for US producers hit by reciprocal tariffs to do the same.
    No, it's the other way round. It makes it harder for them to absorb the cost of the tariffs. On the other hand a weaker Dollar offsets the impact of reciprocal tariffs on US producers.

    How does that work? If the tariff on goods worth $100 is $10 for a UK producer - and the Sterling price of that $10 is now lower than it was, there is more potential for the UK producer to swallow some of the cost, isn't there? Likewise, if the tariff on a US producer's goods worth Euros 100 is Euros 20 and the dollar price of that Euros 20 is higher than it was, there is less potential for the US producer to swallow some of the cost, isn't there? What am I missing here?
    Lets say hypothetically the pound/dollar exchange rate changes from $1.20 to $1.32, a 10% change - and there's a 10% tariff each direction too.

    Previously a £100 product cost $120 in America.
    Previously a $100 product cost £83.33 in the UK.

    After the changes a £100 product costs $132+$13.20 tariffs = $145.20 . . . a 21% increase in cost.
    After the changes a $100 product costs £75.76 + £7.58 tariffs = £83.34 . . . no change, the penny change was due to rounding.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,791
    On Topic: They should tweak it to: CAN WE FIX IT? YES WE CAN!

    Better to channel Bob The Builder than Jimmy Savile, lol 😂
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,618
    edited April 3
    @viewcode FPT re : MRDA

    “Model and showgirl” is such a polite euphemism 😂

    Edit: my mother once slept in the same bed as Christine Keeler
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,825
    Another one! This is St. Pierre et Miquelon. Population: 5819.

    It now has one of the world’s highest tariffs - 99%. The US imported only $3.5M of its shellfish last yr. BUT the island imports ZERO from the US.

    So, the idiotic White House formula (imports v exports) couldn’t cope. It spat out 99%.

    https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3llvnng43s22t

    More evidence that tariffs are decided by ChatGB and based on Internet domain.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,417
    GIN1138 said:

    Farage scores highly on the Savile sleazyness scale. Oh, and first!

    Dunno. You would think if there was sexual sleaze (and with Savile we're not talking about "sleaze" but depraved, criminal activity) it would have come out long ago?

    If anything comes out about Farage, it'll be financial and/or in relation to Russia. But it won't be sexual, IMO.
    One of my family lived not too far from Farage, when the latter had a family home in Kent, and for a while the two families had a school in common. Another of family worked in the same building as him for a while, a long time ago.

    I never heard of a whisper of any sexual shenanigans; financial yes, but not sexual.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,655
    Winning here...

    @faisalislam
    Big 🇺🇸 brand fallers…

    Bestbuy 15%

    Nike down 11%

    Apple down 9%

    AMEX 7%

    Lululemon 11%

    Dell 15%

    HP 15%
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,315
    Foxy said:

    Another one! This is St. Pierre et Miquelon. Population: 5819.

    It now has one of the world’s highest tariffs - 99%. The US imported only $3.5M of its shellfish last yr. BUT the island imports ZERO from the US.

    So, the idiotic White House formula (imports v exports) couldn’t cope. It spat out 99%.

    https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3llvnng43s22t

    More evidence that tariffs are decided by ChatGB and based on Internet domain.

    It's not in the EU customs union. I suspect it's just a list of separate customs areas, not TLDs.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,227
    FPT: Perhaps I have been reading too many conspiracy theories, but I wonder whether that subsidiary of ChiCom, Inc., Apple, has not tried as hard as it might have to bring manufacturing back to the US.

    (For the record: About a year ago, I sent Tim Cook a letter, offering him a "Free Tibet" bumper sticker if he would promise to display it prominently. It should not surprise anyone that he did not accept my offer.)
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,655
    @erikmbaker

    Revealed preferences theory suggests that Wall Street executives value their ability to call their subordinates gay at approximately 8 trillion dollars

    https://x.com/erikmbaker/status/1907797498288054495
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,622
    BBC:

    "London Luton Airport will see annual passenger numbers almost double to 32 million by 2043 after the government approved expansion plans.

    It comes despite the Planning Inspectorate recommending Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander rejects them over environmental concerns."

    A Labour government, doing its best to piss me off on a daily basis.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,150
    Scott_xP said:

    Winning here...

    @faisalislam
    Big 🇺🇸 brand fallers…

    Bestbuy 15%

    Nike down 11%

    Apple down 9%

    AMEX 7%

    Lululemon 11%

    Dell 15%

    HP 15%


    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar.com‬

    Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins next to a ticker showing the Dow down 1,200 points: "We are really, really excited, and very grateful for President Trump's leadership."
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,440

    BBC:

    "London Luton Airport will see annual passenger numbers almost double to 32 million by 2043 after the government approved expansion plans.

    It comes despite the Planning Inspectorate recommending Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander rejects them over environmental concerns."

    A Labour government, doing its best to piss me off on a daily basis.

    They are taking steps for the UK to be ready for all electric planes.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,440
    GIN1138 said:

    On Topic: They should tweak it to: CAN WE FIX IT? YES WE CAN!

    Better to channel Bob The Builder than Jimmy Savile, lol 😂

    I never thought I would headline a PB header with a Jimmy Savile catchphrase.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,655

    Scott_xP said:

    Winning here...

    @faisalislam
    Big 🇺🇸 brand fallers…

    Bestbuy 15%

    Nike down 11%

    Apple down 9%

    AMEX 7%

    Lululemon 11%

    Dell 15%

    HP 15%


    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar.com‬

    Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins next to a ticker showing the Dow down 1,200 points: "We are really, really excited, and very grateful for President Trump's leadership."
    This is a little too on the nose

    https://x.com/awzurcher/status/1907801011189641469
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,206
    In honour of Reform’s administration

    https://youtu.be/9JCUX1mrO4g?si=8y9Yg70Df0-qa_oe
  • PJHPJH Posts: 784
    Foxy said:

    Another one! This is St. Pierre et Miquelon. Population: 5819.

    It now has one of the world’s highest tariffs - 99%. The US imported only $3.5M of its shellfish last yr. BUT the island imports ZERO from the US.

    So, the idiotic White House formula (imports v exports) couldn’t cope. It spat out 99%.

    https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3llvnng43s22t

    More evidence that tariffs are decided by ChatGB and based on Internet domain.

    I was going to wonder why it was picked out at all, as technically part of France, but I notice it has been out of the EU since 1985.

    An early St Pexit?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,237
    edited April 3
    Taz said:

    In honour of Reform’s administration

    https://youtu.be/9JCUX1mrO4g?si=8y9Yg70Df0-qa_oe

    Who the hell is the chap at 0:14 ? Is @Leon a time traveller?

    https://youtu.be/9JCUX1mrO4g?t=16

    (Closest thing I have ever seen to a Preying Mantis in human form.)
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,548

    BBC:

    "London Luton Airport will see annual passenger numbers almost double to 32 million by 2043 after the government approved expansion plans.

    It comes despite the Planning Inspectorate recommending Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander rejects them over environmental concerns."

    A Labour government, doing its best to piss me off on a daily basis.

    Luton's a publicly owned airport. Should be catnip to a socialist.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,969
    edited April 3
    Regarding the lead, it can’t be as simple as a typo when writing the ward name on the form. Because to be a valid nomination, the signatures collected for the nomination have to be from registered voters in the ward where you are standing. So, somehow, they must have had three people under the impression they had been chosen for that ward going around collecting signatures from voters AND managed to avoid any voter nominating all three of them, since that too would have invalidated a nomination. And whoever their officer is who authorises use of the party name and logo must have completed three authorisation forms for that ward.

    That is some organised cock up! The story behind how it came to pass must be an interesting one - to us election anoraks, anyhow.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,655
    Let the purges begin

    @KatieBoLillis

    JUST IN: White House has fired at least 3 NSC staffers, 3 sources familiar with the move tell me @alaynatreene @kylieatwood & @kaitlancollins, after Trump met last night with Laura Loomer. The three we know of do not include principal deputy national security advisor Alex Wong.

    https://x.com/KatieBoLillis/status/1907812111528456455
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,655
    @NatashaBertrand
    Breaking: The White House fired at least 3 National Security Council staffers on Wednesday. Follows a meeting Wednesday in which Laura Loomer urged Trump to get rid of several members of his NSC staff.

    The 3 officials include Brian Walsh, a director for intelligence and a former top staffer for now-Secretary of State Marco Rubio on the Senate Intelligence Committee; Thomas Boodry, a senior director for legislative affairs who previously served as Waltz's legislative director in Congress, and David Feith, a senior director overseeing technology and national security who served in the State Department during Trump's first administration.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,237
    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    In honour of Reform’s administration

    https://youtu.be/9JCUX1mrO4g?si=8y9Yg70Df0-qa_oe

    Who the hell is the chap at 0:14 ? Is @Leon a time traveller?

    https://youtu.be/9JCUX1mrO4g?t=16

    (Closest thing I have ever seen to a Preying Mantis in human form.)
    And having watched some more, the lead singer is doing the Elon dance.

    I'd better get my coat.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,969
    Scott_xP said:

    Winning here...

    @faisalislam
    Big 🇺🇸 brand fallers…

    Bestbuy 15%

    Nike down 11%

    Apple down 9%

    AMEX 7%

    Lululemon 11%

    Dell 15%

    HP 15%

    The question is whether it’s a blip and a recovery type of event, or the start of a more sustained slide?
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,351
    Looking at the ElectionMapsUK WiP Spreadsheet, even with this cockup Ref are currently standing in more seats than any other party. That's a lot of vetting they've had to do.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,866

    BBC:

    "London Luton Airport will see annual passenger numbers almost double to 32 million by 2043 after the government approved expansion plans.

    It comes despite the Planning Inspectorate recommending Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander rejects them over environmental concerns."

    A Labour government, doing its best to piss me off on a daily basis.

    They are taking steps for the UK to be ready for all electric planes.
    Time for a mega airport, using my idea of a variant of the concrete gravity base structure used to build Troll B.

    Put the airport out to sea, where the real estate is free. And it’s far away from me.
  • Just change the planning laws for mast building. VodafoneThree needs it.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,237
    Given that Elon is leaving, I wonder if Trump is going to give him a pre-emptive pardon.

    He has been complicit in all kinds of lawbreaking in the way he has destroyed swathes of the civil state.

    The current DoJ would probably not prosecute him due to their corruption, but hat still leaves states ...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,237
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    In honour of Reform’s administration

    https://youtu.be/9JCUX1mrO4g?si=8y9Yg70Df0-qa_oe

    Who the hell is the chap at 0:14 ? Is @Leon a time traveller?

    https://youtu.be/9JCUX1mrO4g?t=16

    (Closest thing I have ever seen to a Preying Mantis in human form.)
    And having watched some more, the lead singer is doing the Elon dance.

    I'd better get my coat.
    Sigh. "Praying Mantis".
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,866

    BBC:

    "London Luton Airport will see annual passenger numbers almost double to 32 million by 2043 after the government approved expansion plans.

    It comes despite the Planning Inspectorate recommending Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander rejects them over environmental concerns."

    A Labour government, doing its best to piss me off on a daily basis.

    They are taking steps for the UK to be ready for all electric planes.
    That will work for short haul. Not sure about medium and long haul - still think that will require bio-fuels. See F1….

    A thought occurs. In one of the countries of Barsoom, travel is by ground effect vehicles - flying a few feet off the ground. Since they never touch the ground, it’s is covered in grass.

    Imagine a future where a motorway for ground effect vehicles is just a gap in a forest. No concrete. No light required - night vision projected on windscreens is doable tech today. The lanes etc would be virtual as well.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,267

    Just change the planning laws for mast building. VodafoneThree needs it.

    No, don't just change the planning laws for mastery building. Change the planning laws for everything.

    We need everything. Housing, industry, infrastructure etc of which masts are an element and would be enabled by good reform.

    There's more needed in this country than the needs of a firm.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,206
    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    In honour of Reform’s administration

    https://youtu.be/9JCUX1mrO4g?si=8y9Yg70Df0-qa_oe

    Who the hell is the chap at 0:14 ? Is @Leon a time traveller?

    https://youtu.be/9JCUX1mrO4g?t=16

    (Closest thing I have ever seen to a Preying Mantis in human form.)
    Ron Mael, keyboard player extraordinaire and brother of lead singer, Russell.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,718
    PJH said:

    Foxy said:

    Another one! This is St. Pierre et Miquelon. Population: 5819.

    It now has one of the world’s highest tariffs - 99%. The US imported only $3.5M of its shellfish last yr. BUT the island imports ZERO from the US.

    So, the idiotic White House formula (imports v exports) couldn’t cope. It spat out 99%.

    https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3llvnng43s22t

    More evidence that tariffs are decided by ChatGB and based on Internet domain.

    I was going to wonder why it was picked out at all, as technically part of France, but I notice it has been out of the EU since 1985.

    An early St Pexit?
    I would prefer to call it St. Pierre et Miquelexit.
    But I don't t think it can straightforwardly happen. St. P & M is legally just part of France like the Isle of Wight is part of the UK. It's not a sort of equivalent of the Channel Islands.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,369
    They obviously didn't manage to fix this.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,664
    Foss said:

    Looking at the ElectionMapsUK WiP Spreadsheet, even with this cockup Ref are currently standing in more seats than any other party. That's a lot of vetting they've had to do.

    “Vetting”
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,351

    Foss said:

    Looking at the ElectionMapsUK WiP Spreadsheet, even with this cockup Ref are currently standing in more seats than any other party. That's a lot of vetting they've had to do.

    “Vetting”
    I'm assuming they've at least checked none of them are actually inflatable dolls.
  • AugustusCarp2AugustusCarp2 Posts: 286
    Nominations may have closed, but I think there are still a few days left for candidates to withdraw, aren't there? So one of these three could pullout, but not transfer to the other seat.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,655
    Of all the really stupid people in Trump's inner circle, this guy is a strong candidate for the dumbest of them all

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3llwa2hww3u2d
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,154

    Nominations may have closed, but I think there are still a few days left for candidates to withdraw, aren't there? So one of these three could pullout, but not transfer to the other seat.

    They can withdraw informally, but their name will still be on the ballot paper.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,370
    Scott_xP said:

    @NatashaBertrand
    Breaking: The White House fired at least 3 National Security Council staffers on Wednesday. Follows a meeting Wednesday in which Laura Loomer urged Trump to get rid of several members of his NSC staff.

    The 3 officials include Brian Walsh, a director for intelligence and a former top staffer for now-Secretary of State Marco Rubio on the Senate Intelligence Committee; Thomas Boodry, a senior director for legislative affairs who previously served as Waltz's legislative director in Congress, and David Feith, a senior director overseeing technology and national security who served in the State Department during Trump's first administration.

    In their place we'll get Laura Loomer, Roy Moore, and Joe Arpaio.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,969

    Nominations may have closed, but I think there are still a few days left for candidates to withdraw, aren't there? So one of these three could pullout, but not transfer to the other seat.

    No, the deadline for withdrawal is the same as the deadline for nomination
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,351

    Nominations may have closed, but I think there are still a few days left for candidates to withdraw, aren't there? So one of these three could pullout, but not transfer to the other seat.

    It looks like they had until 4pm today to withdraw.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,750
    IanB2 said:

    Regarding the lead, it can’t be as simple as a typo when writing the ward name on the form. Because to be a valid nomination, the signatures collected for the nomination have to be from registered voters in the ward where you are standing. So, somehow, they must have had three people under the impression they had been chosen for that ward going around collecting signatures from voters AND managed to avoid any voter nominating all three of them, since that too would have invalidated a nomination. And whoever their officer is who authorises use of the party name and logo must have completed three authorisation forms for that ward.

    That is some organised cock up! The story behind how it came to pass must be an interesting one - to us election anoraks, anyhow.

    Where would an enterprising journalist find the submitted nomination forms?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,969

    IanB2 said:

    Regarding the lead, it can’t be as simple as a typo when writing the ward name on the form. Because to be a valid nomination, the signatures collected for the nomination have to be from registered voters in the ward where you are standing. So, somehow, they must have had three people under the impression they had been chosen for that ward going around collecting signatures from voters AND managed to avoid any voter nominating all three of them, since that too would have invalidated a nomination. And whoever their officer is who authorises use of the party name and logo must have completed three authorisation forms for that ward.

    That is some organised cock up! The story behind how it came to pass must be an interesting one - to us election anoraks, anyhow.

    Where would an enterprising journalist find the submitted nomination forms?
    The details taken from them should be posted on a noticeboard somewhere within the ward, and sometimes you find the actual forms on the council’s website, although more commonly nowadays you just get the statement of people nominated. Electors have the right to inspect the actual forms at the town hall.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,417
    edited April 3
    Andy_JS said:

    Nominations may have closed, but I think there are still a few days left for candidates to withdraw, aren't there? So one of these three could pullout, but not transfer to the other seat.

    They can withdraw informally, but their name will still be on the ballot paper.
    When I was an Agent, back in the time when the National Front was strutting it's stuff, all Agents in our District were called in for a meeting by the CE of the local council, the official Returning Officer. We'd been told that the NF was running a full slate in our District.
    The Returning Officer showed us all, Lib, Lab & Con, the paperwork he had from the NF, whose Agent had apologised. IIRC, of the eight wards, the NF had candidates in all of them, but several didn't live in the District, several didn't have the required number of Assenters, and of those they did, again they didn't live in the District, let alone the ward they were supposed to be nominating for.
    We never saw them again.
  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 835
    Foss said:

    Looking at the ElectionMapsUK WiP Spreadsheet, even with this cockup Ref are currently standing in more seats than any other party. That's a lot of vetting they've had to do.

    no doubt they've done it dilligently and perfectly
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,150
    Scott_xP said:

    Of all the really stupid people in Trump's inner circle, this guy is a strong candidate for the dumbest of them all

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3llwa2hww3u2d

    There are no tanks.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,969
    edited April 3

    They obviously didn't manage to fix this.

    It’s an odd one, because each candidate needs ten signatures to be nominated, and voters can nominate as many people as there are vacancies, and since it’s just an admin task before you can start campaigning, the agent or one of the candidates will take all the forms round together, visiting party members until they find enough of them in to complete a form.

    So commonly all the candidates for a party in a ward will have the same ten nominees - the days when it might matter who nominates you (because villagers would gather in the square or green and peruse the list of nominations, and might be swayed by a nomination from some local worthy) are long gone. Reform clearly have some unusual, more labour intensive, way of doing the job?

    Once in my London patch the Tories made up their slate with some random guy they’d come across who wasn’t an established activist, who clearly went round collecting his own nominations as his ten names were different from his running mates. I was told later he’d asked his friends and family. My claim to fame in that election was that of that Tory’s ten nominees, six of them were voting for me (as they promised) and three of them put up LibDem posters in their window. I claim that as an electoral record as I doubt any opposing candidate has ever polled better among the nominating electors of their political opponent!
  • eekeek Posts: 29,554
    Canada will match the US auto tariffs, with 25% levies on all vehicles imported from the US that are not compliant with the North American free trade deal, PM Mark Carney announced.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,299
    Sean_F said:

    Jimmy Savile was innocent.

    How's about that then!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,825
    Foss said:

    Foss said:

    Looking at the ElectionMapsUK WiP Spreadsheet, even with this cockup Ref are currently standing in more seats than any other party. That's a lot of vetting they've had to do.

    “Vetting”
    I'm assuming they've at least checked none of them are actually inflatable dolls.
    Might be needed to crew our new Fleet.

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/britain-to-introduce-new-inflatable-warships-to-expand-fleet/

    Stop the Boats!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,150
    "What are we being 'liberated' from besides our wallets?"

    Sarah Longwell, The Bulwark podcast
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,515
    Scott_xP said:
    The joke’s on Matt because that shows why the tariffs are necessary to rebalance the economy.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,977
    Krugman:
    In my post immediately following the Trump announcement I speculated that Elon Musk’s Dunning-Kruger kids might be responsible for those tariff numbers. That now looks like a distinct possibility.

    Who makes policy this way? The key point is that Trump isn’t really trying to accomplish economic goals. This should all be seen as a dominance display, intended to shock and awe people and make them grovel, rather than policy in the normal sense.

    Again, I’m not being snobbish here. When the fate of the world economy is on the line, the malignant stupidity of the policy process is arguably as important as the policies themselves. How can anyone, whether they’re businesspeople or foreign governments, trust anything coming out of an administration that behaves like this?

    Next thing you’ll be telling me that Trump’s people are planning military actions over insecure channels and accidentally sharing those plans with journalists. Oh, wait.

    I’d like to imagine that Trump will admit that he messed up, cancel the whole thing, and start over. But he won’t, because that would spoil the dominance display. Ignorant irresponsibility is part of the message.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,417
    IanB2 said:

    They obviously didn't manage to fix this.

    It’s an odd one, because each candidate needs ten signatures to be nominated, and voters can nominate as many people as there are vacancies, and since it’s just an admin task before you can start campaigning, the agent or one of the candidates will take all the forms round together, visiting party members until they find enough of them in to complete a form.

    So commonly all the candidates for a party in a ward will have the same ten nominees - the days when it might matter who nominates you (because villagers would gather in the square or green and peruse the list of nominations, and might be swayed by a nomination from some local worthy) are long gone. Reform clearly have some unusual, more labour intensive, way of doing the job?

    Once in my London patch the Tories made up their slate with some random guy they’d come across who wasn’t an established activist, who clearly went round collecting his own nominations as his ten names were different from his running mates. I was told later he’d asked his friends and family. My claim to fame in that election was that of that Tory’s ten nominees, six of them were voting for me (as they promised) and three of them put up LibDem posters in their window. I claim that as an electoral record as I doubt any opposing candidate has ever polled better among the nominating electors of their political opponent!
    As an Agent I once managed to severely damage the completed Nomination form after it had been completed, but with around three hours before the deadline (I know, I know). I could do all the necessary with the candidate, but had to race round the houses of senior party members to get the necessary signatures. Result was, as all husbands were at work, (this was a while ago) that our candidate had a a female seconder and ten female nominators.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,289

    IanB2 said:

    They obviously didn't manage to fix this.

    It’s an odd one, because each candidate needs ten signatures to be nominated, and voters can nominate as many people as there are vacancies, and since it’s just an admin task before you can start campaigning, the agent or one of the candidates will take all the forms round together, visiting party members until they find enough of them in to complete a form.

    So commonly all the candidates for a party in a ward will have the same ten nominees - the days when it might matter who nominates you (because villagers would gather in the square or green and peruse the list of nominations, and might be swayed by a nomination from some local worthy) are long gone. Reform clearly have some unusual, more labour intensive, way of doing the job?

    Once in my London patch the Tories made up their slate with some random guy they’d come across who wasn’t an established activist, who clearly went round collecting his own nominations as his ten names were different from his running mates. I was told later he’d asked his friends and family. My claim to fame in that election was that of that Tory’s ten nominees, six of them were voting for me (as they promised) and three of them put up LibDem posters in their window. I claim that as an electoral record as I doubt any opposing candidate has ever polled better among the nominating electors of their political opponent!
    As an Agent I once managed to severely damage the completed Nomination form after it had been completed, but with around three hours before the deadline (I know, I know). I could do all the necessary with the candidate, but had to race round the houses of senior party members to get the necessary signatures. Result was, as all husbands were at work, (this was a while ago) that our candidate had a a female seconder and ten female nominators.
    Those were the days...
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,981

    IanB2 said:

    They obviously didn't manage to fix this.

    It’s an odd one, because each candidate needs ten signatures to be nominated, and voters can nominate as many people as there are vacancies, and since it’s just an admin task before you can start campaigning, the agent or one of the candidates will take all the forms round together, visiting party members until they find enough of them in to complete a form.

    So commonly all the candidates for a party in a ward will have the same ten nominees - the days when it might matter who nominates you (because villagers would gather in the square or green and peruse the list of nominations, and might be swayed by a nomination from some local worthy) are long gone. Reform clearly have some unusual, more labour intensive, way of doing the job?

    Once in my London patch the Tories made up their slate with some random guy they’d come across who wasn’t an established activist, who clearly went round collecting his own nominations as his ten names were different from his running mates. I was told later he’d asked his friends and family. My claim to fame in that election was that of that Tory’s ten nominees, six of them were voting for me (as they promised) and three of them put up LibDem posters in their window. I claim that as an electoral record as I doubt any opposing candidate has ever polled better among the nominating electors of their political opponent!
    As an Agent I once managed to severely damage the completed Nomination form after it had been completed, but with around three hours before the deadline (I know, I know). I could do all the necessary with the candidate, but had to race round the houses of senior party members to get the necessary signatures. Result was, as all husbands were at work, (this was a while ago) that our candidate had a a female seconder and ten female nominators.
    I don't want to imagine what is going on in TSE's head right now.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,206

    Scott_xP said:
    The joke’s on Matt because that shows why the tariffs are necessary to rebalance the economy.
    If tariffs are so bad why do we apply them to imports 🤔
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,417
    Eabhal said:

    IanB2 said:

    They obviously didn't manage to fix this.

    It’s an odd one, because each candidate needs ten signatures to be nominated, and voters can nominate as many people as there are vacancies, and since it’s just an admin task before you can start campaigning, the agent or one of the candidates will take all the forms round together, visiting party members until they find enough of them in to complete a form.

    So commonly all the candidates for a party in a ward will have the same ten nominees - the days when it might matter who nominates you (because villagers would gather in the square or green and peruse the list of nominations, and might be swayed by a nomination from some local worthy) are long gone. Reform clearly have some unusual, more labour intensive, way of doing the job?

    Once in my London patch the Tories made up their slate with some random guy they’d come across who wasn’t an established activist, who clearly went round collecting his own nominations as his ten names were different from his running mates. I was told later he’d asked his friends and family. My claim to fame in that election was that of that Tory’s ten nominees, six of them were voting for me (as they promised) and three of them put up LibDem posters in their window. I claim that as an electoral record as I doubt any opposing candidate has ever polled better among the nominating electors of their political opponent!
    As an Agent I once managed to severely damage the completed Nomination form after it had been completed, but with around three hours before the deadline (I know, I know). I could do all the necessary with the candidate, but had to race round the houses of senior party members to get the necessary signatures. Result was, as all husbands were at work, (this was a while ago) that our candidate had a a female seconder and ten female nominators.
    I don't want to imagine what is going on in TSE's head right now.
    Best laugh I've had for ages. Thanks.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,299
    edited April 3
    Great interview with Robert Reich by Evan Davis. He says we should join with the EU and Japan and Canada and Mexico and hit back as hard as possible. Trump has no respect for countries who lie down and play dead. He went further and suggested other countries should be willing to take in some of America's top university talent because they'll find many are now looking for somewhere else to go.

    Well worth listening to
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,009

    Farage scores highly on the Savile sleazyness scale. Oh, and first!

    Really, where would he fall in relation to Alex Salmond?
    Miles and miles ahead, Salmond was a stunning politician
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,299
    DOW down 3%.

    Could be worse
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,548
    Scott_xP said:
    Rare Matt miss. Caption too long, joke too explained.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,515
    Roger said:

    DOW down 3%.

    Could be worse

    Dow down mister
    Hare Rama Hare Krishna
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,766

    Just change the planning laws for mast building. VodafoneThree needs it.

    No, don't just change the planning laws for mastery building. Change the planning laws for everything.

    We need everything. Housing, industry, infrastructure etc of which masts are an element and would be enabled by good reform.

    There's more needed in this country than the needs of a firm.
    Sounds like the type of lunatic unhinged policy Trump would come up with him. You love him really don't you? Along with Farage?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,068
    On topic:

    All political parties make these kind of booboos from time to time. As a new party, without the infrastructure of more established players, it is almost inevitable that Reform will make them more often.

    As regards the slogan, mind, a positive spin would be that it demonstrates that Reform is being run by young people who've never even heard of Jimmy Saville.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,766
    rcs1000 said:

    On topic:

    All political parties make these kind of booboos from time to time. As a new party, without the infrastructure of more established players, it is almost inevitable that Reform will make them more often.

    As regards the slogan, mind, a positive spin would be that it demonstrates that Reform is being run by young people who've never even heard of Jimmy Saville.

    I think every young person has heard of him. his name is a meme along with Gary Glitter. Try playing Cards Against Humanity with some twenty-somethings. The glee when they get the Jimmy Savile card!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,487
    malcolmg said:

    Farage scores highly on the Savile sleazyness scale. Oh, and first!

    Really, where would he fall in relation to Alex Salmond?
    Miles and miles ahead, Salmond was a stunning politician
    He was a brilliant politician, but also a very naughty boy (though nothing illegal afaik).
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,237
    edited April 3
    Following up on @Selebian , and probably @Eabhal , I see that the Walking and Cycling APPG have released their report on "Active Travel and Social Justice" Report. Children are mentioned. Sorry for so much in one day.

    Info page:
    https://appgcw.org/resources/inquiries/active-travel-and-social-justice-report-2025/

    Full report (20 page PDF)
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uUoB6swNGNkrjbe86udYDqjHMtSmtENj/view

    I like the cut of their jib, including this initiative mentioned which has been bubbling under in Manchester for about a year - an effort to get all 1400 (so far - we have far more than that in Notts) identified anti-wheelchair barriers in Manchester removed:

    https://www.leighday.co.uk/news/news/2024-news/leigh-day-wins-award-for-championing-removal-of-barriers-on-public-pathways-across-greater-manchester/
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,866

    Just change the planning laws for mast building. VodafoneThree needs it.

    No, don't just change the planning laws for mastery building. Change the planning laws for everything.

    We need everything. Housing, industry, infrastructure etc of which masts are an element and would be enabled by good reform.

    There's more needed in this country than the needs of a firm.
    Sounds like the type of lunatic unhinged policy Trump would come up with him. You love him really don't you? Along with Farage?
    So you think that changing the law through parliament is lunatic, unhinged Trumpism?

    Sigh...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,969
    Roger said:

    DOW down 3%.

    Could be worse

    As ever with a market dip, it now depends on what the people busy at work will do tomorrow, when they see the falls today.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,969
    edited April 3
    rcs1000 said:

    On topic:

    All political parties make these kind of booboos from time to time. As a new party, without the infrastructure of more established players, it is almost inevitable that Reform will make them more often.

    As regards the slogan, mind, a positive spin would be that it demonstrates that Reform is being run by young people who've never even heard of Jimmy Saville.

    As I explained above, this is more than a boo boo, because it’s actually quite hard to make.

    The most obvious explanation is that Reform somehow thought that the ward in question was actually a three member one - except that then the signatures on the three forms would usually be collected together, so making one of the papers invalid.

    Alternatively, they had a rogue candidate going around collecting his or her own signatures - but then how did he get his ‘approval to use the party name and logo’ form signed by the local party officer? Perhaps somehow these forms got submitted en masse and this officer signed them all without looking at them?

    That the next door ward is one short suggests that the candidate was told he’d been selected and was left to collect his own nomination signatures (an inefficent way of doubling the workload), and misunderstood which ward s/he was supposed to be standing in. But you still need to get hold of the electoral register to properly complete the form, which indicates that the person notifying the candidate of his selection, the person handing out copies of the ward electoral registers, and the person authorising use of the party logo and name, were all different people, and not comparing notes with each other.

    And also, no sensible party would send someone out blind to try and collect signatures. You’d usually have a list of local party members to call on. If both the rogue candidate and the other two were visiting party members seeking their signatures, they are lucky (or unlucky?) that they didn’t call on any of the same people.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,991
    a lot of people asked me whether I regretted my vote for Kamala Harris and my answer has always been unequivocally no, mostly because I have always thought Donald Trump is a moron.
    https://x.com/lxeagle17/status/1907842026374402105
  • TresTres Posts: 2,782
    IanB2 said:

    They obviously didn't manage to fix this.

    It’s an odd one, because each candidate needs ten signatures to be nominated, and voters can nominate as many people as there are vacancies, and since it’s just an admin task before you can start campaigning, the agent or one of the candidates will take all the forms round together, visiting party members until they find enough of them in to complete a form.

    So commonly all the candidates for a party in a ward will have the same ten nominees - the days when it might matter who nominates you (because villagers would gather in the square or green and peruse the list of nominations, and might be swayed by a nomination from some local worthy) are long gone. Reform clearly have some unusual, more labour intensive, way of doing the job?

    Once in my London patch the Tories made up their slate with some random guy they’d come across who wasn’t an established activist, who clearly went round collecting his own nominations as his ten names were different from his running mates. I was told later he’d asked his friends and family. My claim to fame in that election was that of that Tory’s ten nominees, six of them were voting for me (as they promised) and three of them put up LibDem posters in their window. I claim that as an electoral record as I doubt any opposing candidate has ever polled better among the nominating electors of their political opponent!
    you only need 2 signatures now
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,964
    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:
    The joke’s on Matt because that shows why the tariffs are necessary to rebalance the economy.
    If tariffs are so bad why do we apply them to imports 🤔
    Well there's no use in applying them to exports... 😎
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,407
    There seems to be quite a lot of the US administration simply saying that you have to trust Trump rather than actually having any ideas themselves. They don't know what's going on, but Trump knows and that's good enough.

    It really is like some nutty sect.
  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,794
    Omnium said:

    There seems to be quite a lot of the US administration simply saying that you have to trust Trump rather than actually having any ideas themselves. They don't know what's going on, but Trump knows and that's good enough.

    It really is like some nutty sect.

    Presumably part of it is because they're never sure what's coming next (ie will he backtrack, double-down, do both etc.) and therefore if you try and argue for what's specifically happening then there's a fair chance you'll end up with egg on your face when he changes his mind tomorrow. Much safer to just say 'trust Trump' as that holds whatever he does...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,150
    Betting post::


    Andrew Lilico
    @andrew_lilico

    I wonder what odds you could have got, in New Year's betting, on "In 2025, Trump imposes tariffs on a set of islands populated only by penguins"?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,866
    Omnium said:

    There seems to be quite a lot of the US administration simply saying that you have to trust Trump rather than actually having any ideas themselves. They don't know what's going on, but Trump knows and that's good enough.

    It really is like some nutty sect.

    That's quite unfair on a lot of nutty sects.

    Sure, they are waiting until the alien spaceships are on close approach and then commit mass suicide, but they have some depth to their planning.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,991
    Omnium said:

    There seems to be quite a lot of the US administration simply saying that you have to trust Trump rather than actually having any ideas themselves. They don't know what's going on, but Trump knows and that's good enough.

    It really is like some nutty sect.

    It really is a nutty sect.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,791
    edited April 3

    My view is that the world would do best by trying to ignore Trump as much as possible and not respond with retaliation. Yes that will be difficult when the markets are rocked, but maybe the rest of the world needs to figure out how it trades with America a lot less in the same way it has to see them as an unreliable defence partner.

    Yes, "retaliation" just risks sending what is an almost certain recession into a potential depression.

    Best course of action is to accept Americas tariffs and play the long game in terms of retaliation and more generally in terms of moving beyond a world where the US is seen as a reliable economic and defence partner.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,969
    Tres said:

    IanB2 said:

    They obviously didn't manage to fix this.

    It’s an odd one, because each candidate needs ten signatures to be nominated, and voters can nominate as many people as there are vacancies, and since it’s just an admin task before you can start campaigning, the agent or one of the candidates will take all the forms round together, visiting party members until they find enough of them in to complete a form.

    So commonly all the candidates for a party in a ward will have the same ten nominees - the days when it might matter who nominates you (because villagers would gather in the square or green and peruse the list of nominations, and might be swayed by a nomination from some local worthy) are long gone. Reform clearly have some unusual, more labour intensive, way of doing the job?

    Once in my London patch the Tories made up their slate with some random guy they’d come across who wasn’t an established activist, who clearly went round collecting his own nominations as his ten names were different from his running mates. I was told later he’d asked his friends and family. My claim to fame in that election was that of that Tory’s ten nominees, six of them were voting for me (as they promised) and three of them put up LibDem posters in their window. I claim that as an electoral record as I doubt any opposing candidate has ever polled better among the nominating electors of their political opponent!
    you only need 2 signatures now
    Ok? That change must have come in as I moved from principal authority to first tier council, and I assumed fewer signatures were needed for the more junior council. Requiring just two signatures makes standing for a principal council very much easier!

    It’s embarrassing to discover that while I know that citizens of Denmark, Luxembourg, Poland, Portugal and Spain have bilateral voting treaties with the UK, whereas the rest of the EU doesn’t, I clearly don’t know how many signatures it now takes to get nominated. I will go and hide myself away for a bit.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,369

    Betting post::


    Andrew Lilico
    @andrew_lilico

    I wonder what odds you could have got, in New Year's betting, on "In 2025, Trump imposes tariffs on a set of islands populated only by penguins"?

    Maybe they heard about those gay penguins.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,515
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:
    The joke’s on Matt because that shows why the tariffs are necessary to rebalance the economy.
    Because Americans need to do more low productivity jobs like making hats!

    Just look at Switzerland: big trade surplus, lots of manufacturing, lots of low value textiles in there.

    (OK: one of those might not be true.)
    The US is a continental economy so the parameters are different to Switzerland. If you have 170 million people with below average IQs and your economy has no place for low productivity jobs like making hats, then you can expect to have a lot of social problems.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,407
    Lennon said:

    Omnium said:

    There seems to be quite a lot of the US administration simply saying that you have to trust Trump rather than actually having any ideas themselves. They don't know what's going on, but Trump knows and that's good enough.

    It really is like some nutty sect.

    Presumably part of it is because they're never sure what's coming next (ie will he backtrack, double-down, do both etc.) and therefore if you try and argue for what's specifically happening then there's a fair chance you'll end up with egg on your face when he changes his mind tomorrow. Much safer to just say 'trust Trump' as that holds whatever he does...
    Certainly that's a factor, but I think the stronger element is that they simply have no knowledge about the areas they now run. Lutnick for example is so astonishingly out of his depth. (Who on earth imagines a broker wouldn't be)

    I presume that the advisors that must be there are saying it's all nuts and the devotees are putting pins into effigies of people they don't like.
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