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  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,980
    rcs1000 said:
    He does look very like JD Vance !
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,288
    stodge said:

    The Opinium VI numbers (based on the data tables):

    Labour: 26% (-2)
    Reform 26% (-1)
    Conservative 21% (+1)
    Liberal Democrats: 13% (+1)
    Greens: 8% (nc)

    No significant change though some slight improvement in Badenoch's ratings as Starmer's fall back but again nothing too drastic.

    Broken, sleazy Labour and Reform on the slide!
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,563

    Tesla is now MAGA.

    Can the company survive?

    Glad I don't have stock.

    Kodak
    Blockbuster Video
    Tesla
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,896
    algarkirk said:

    Is the UK prepared for the wave of visa applicants from US who will need to escape Trump 2.0 the way things are going?

    Perhaps we should be offering top scientists and engineers a visa deal?

    Good question. It really could happen. On a related matter, it seems to me that a lot of thoughtful people in the UK really don't want to talk about the subject of the internal politics of the USA. My sense is this reflects a real level of distress and sadness about this incomprehensible and wholly malign change that is coming upon the world and upon our children and grandchildren.

    The BBC has not quite caught up with the magnitude of this have they? I think the Guardian is getting there.
    I literally have a mate who when we met in the pub a couple of weeks ago for first time in a couple of months, sat down and said 'We discuss anything tonight but Trump, I can't handle it'.

  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,249

    Tesla is now MAGA.

    Can the company survive?

    Glad I don't have stock.

    Musk will remain a huge drag on Tesla. I don't think he will be capable of making a clean break to give the car company a chance to escape his orbit. He's the world's richest man at the centre of government of the world's most powerful nation. The Tesla Board will not stand up to him.

    That leaves stranded assets in Europe and China as sales plunge. And a complete shift in its US target market from environmentally conscious liberals to MAGA-diehards. I know which I'd choose as my preferred audience as a marketing executive of an electric car company.

    And then consider that its share price is trading at 122 P/E based on a set of earnings before these headwinds.

    We're very much at the point in those old cartoons where the character has run off the cliff but not started to fall yet...
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,527
    Very off-topic, but I found this BBC Archive video quite charming :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdpW91w9yp0

    "1964: DRUM FIGHT!"
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,527

    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    tlg86 said:

    Adolescence.
    I watched Episode 1 on a (4 hours late) plane. Alternately tearing up and sitting with my mouth hanging open. Not just the content and the acting - which were both brutal - its the realisation about 17 minutes in that its a single shot.
    Episode 2 had been cued up by Clarkson asking "how did they shoot that, its impossible". And it is, and yet here we are
    Episode 3 will be studied in acting schools for decades
    Episode 4 had me practically weeping at the end

    I know, I'm going on about it like Leon goes on about Covid. Sorry...

    Given that our esteemed PM talked about this documentary in PMQs, it seems to me that Netflix should make it free to watch.
    It’s a drama isn’t it ?
    Starmer called it a documentary:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZnzEZ_CyfA

    Yes, he corrected himself, but I think it was quite revealing.
    There's a rich seam of dramas that are basically documentaries: 'Cathy Come Home' being possibly the original.
    If I can recommend an old Play For Today - 'The Saturday Party' :

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0675332/

    Very middle-class, but speaks to a certain dread.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,527

    Adolescence.
    I watched Episode 1 on a (4 hours late) plane. Alternately tearing up and sitting with my mouth hanging open. Not just the content and the acting - which were both brutal - its the realisation about 17 minutes in that its a single shot.
    Episode 2 had been cued up by Clarkson asking "how did they shoot that, its impossible". And it is, and yet here we are
    Episode 3 will be studied in acting schools for decades
    Episode 4 had me practically weeping at the end

    I know, I'm going on about it like Leon goes on about Covid. Sorry...

    Single shot movies are defined as one shot or looking like one shot. It was really well done though.
    Each episode really was one single continuous shot. Episode 3? 52 minutes. Of which Erin Doherty is the central character for all 52 minutes. Acting mostly across from a young actor who's acting is so intense that I'm not sure she was actually needing to act at the end.

    Even if you set all of that aside and just look at the cinematography its a tour-de-force
    There was an intriguing French TV show called 'The Collapse' that I watched during lockdown :

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11248266/

    Mostly single-shot per episode. And 'The Collapse' is never explained.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,180
    edited March 22
    OT. This Starmer story has just appeared on my computer while looking at a football story. My question is are they allowed to put out such defamatory trash?

    The first two or three minutes tell you the story. Even the cooked up 'film' quality is fake.......

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw9k-eOQmww
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,343
    Musing on Heathrow can we consider this a Black Swan event or was it something eminently foreseeable and preventable?

    When we used to have snow in London and we went through the routine paralysis of transport, people would ask why the city didn't have a fleet of snowploughs like Oslo or Stockholm? Boris Johnson, I think, famously replied the cost of maintaining such a fleet set against the frequency of its use made it economically unjustifiable.

    Was this fire so "unlikely" than to have spent money trying to prevent it been a waste? Possibly unlikely what we have been told is the "cost" of the disruption but I'm no expert.

    It's also been a test of airline responsiveness and customer care - it seems American Airlines and Singapore Airlines, from what I read, have done very well and provided all the assistance a passenger could need, other airlines less so. Hopefully it will be well documented how the airlines have fared - as to whether they will seek redress from LHR, that will no doubt keep the legal profession going for a while.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,775
    edited March 22

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Jose Ignacio is extremely charming in march (late summer). It’s probably very exciting in high summer. Full of rich hedonistic argentines and Brazilians

    But my god it must be dull the rest of the year. It gets COLD here. And grey and windy

    So wtf did Martin Amis do for the other 7-8 months of the year? I bet he was bored witless

    It’s in Uruguay FFS. You can’t drive to Primrose Hill. Or Brooklyn

    It's nice to think of him being bored witless rather than his readers.

    lol

    I have a soft spot for Mart. His plotting was generally terrible and his dialogue pretty poor but he conjured some of the sharpest observations in modern British fiction AND he was, at his best, genuinely lol funny

    Very few writers can do that. I’ve had to put down more than one Martin Amis book because laughing too hard

    He’s also extremely good on the perils and travails of masculinity. Perhaps because he knew it from both sides - he was a highly intelligent witty successful handsome man. Alpha plus. But given the tiny stature of a deltoid
    I had a relative who had taught Martin Amis at primary school in Swansea when Kingsley was a lecturer at the University. Some thirty years later she bought and read his then current book, she was already and old lady by this point. Her analysis of Amis on reading the book was "the dirty boy". She considered the contents to be nothing more than smut.
    Racheal Papers?

    It would have been that era. I have read Kingsley ( I loved Lucky Jim) but never read any of Martin's work. He seemed very much on the lines of an early career Sean Thomas for my tastes.
  • Tesla is now MAGA.

    Can the company survive?

    Glad I don't have stock.

    They're screwed. Sales in Europe are cratering because few want to drive a car associated with Musk. Likewise Musk has alienated pretty much the entire Tesla customer base in the US, and the MAGA crowd hate EVs so there's not much to be gained from appealing to that market.

    China is slipping away from them too simply because the domestic Chinese brands like BYD build better and cheaper cars.

    The Cybertruck has become a running joke and will never be available in any market, like the UK and EU, that has actual automotive safety standards. It won't sell in the numbers required to pay for the development effort. It's a financial back hole and a well run company would ditch it.

    I expect Tesla to have to pause production at certain Gigafactories fairly soon, they can't keep pumping out cars that are not selling.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,669
    stodge said:

    Musing on Heathrow can we consider this a Black Swan event or was it something eminently foreseeable and preventable?

    When we used to have snow in London and we went through the routine paralysis of transport, people would ask why the city didn't have a fleet of snowploughs like Oslo or Stockholm? Boris Johnson, I think, famously replied the cost of maintaining such a fleet set against the frequency of its use made it economically unjustifiable.

    Was this fire so "unlikely" than to have spent money trying to prevent it been a waste? Possibly unlikely what we have been told is the "cost" of the disruption but I'm no expert.

    It's also been a test of airline responsiveness and customer care - it seems American Airlines and Singapore Airlines, from what I read, have done very well and provided all the assistance a passenger could need, other airlines less so. Hopefully it will be well documented how the airlines have fared - as to whether they will seek redress from LHR, that will no doubt keep the legal profession going for a while.

    Single point of failure is common in infrastructure.

    Designing it out takes care.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,579

    Leon said:

    Jose Ignacio is extremely charming in march (late summer). It’s probably very exciting in high summer. Full of rich hedonistic argentines and Brazilians

    But my god it must be dull the rest of the year. It gets COLD here. And grey and windy

    So wtf did Martin Amis do for the other 7-8 months of the year? I bet he was bored witless

    It’s in Uruguay FFS. You can’t drive to Primrose Hill. Or Brooklyn

    It's nice to think of him being bored witless rather than his readers.
    Miaow!

    I found both Amis and Mantel unreadable. I tried with both. Mantel even managed to make the French Revolution boring.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,259

    Tesla is now MAGA.

    Can the company survive?

    Glad I don't have stock.

    They have run into a small problem.

    Since Trusk have designated attacks on Teslas "terrorism", they are no longer insured, as insurance policies don't cover acts of terror...
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,544

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Jose Ignacio is extremely charming in march (late summer). It’s probably very exciting in high summer. Full of rich hedonistic argentines and Brazilians

    But my god it must be dull the rest of the year. It gets COLD here. And grey and windy

    So wtf did Martin Amis do for the other 7-8 months of the year? I bet he was bored witless

    It’s in Uruguay FFS. You can’t drive to Primrose Hill. Or Brooklyn

    It's nice to think of him being bored witless rather than his readers.

    lol

    I have a soft spot for Mart. His plotting was generally terrible and his dialogue pretty poor but he conjured some of the sharpest observations in modern British fiction AND he was, at his best, genuinely lol funny

    Very few writers can do that. I’ve had to put down more than one Martin Amis book because laughing too hard

    He’s also extremely good on the perils and travails of masculinity. Perhaps because he knew it from both sides - he was a highly intelligent witty successful handsome man. Alpha plus. But given the tiny stature of a deltoid
    Thanks, Leon, but I wasn't being entirely serious. May I ask you a perfectly serious one though?

    What do you think of Wolfe Hall, or more specifically Hilary Mantel?

    I gave up after 140 pages. It wasn't the topic, which I love, or the contrarian view of More and Cromwell, which intrigued me. It was the strange affected 'literary' style that did for me.

    Is that just me, or does she rub your fur up the wrong way too?
    I too nearly gave up. The point of view is known as third person historical iirc. V unusual.

    But I stuck with it.

    Eventually you a swept along as in a dream. Just superb writing.
    Oh, I'm perfectly familiar with that sort of narrative. Cockneys use it a lot. 'So I goes down the pub and I sees this geezer...'

    In moderation it can be quite effective, but I whole book written in it? Do me a favour.

    There are other stylistic contrivances which some may think of as Art but I just regarded as artifice for the sake of it. \i suspected her motives, but in the end just didn't care, and filed her under Crap.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,259

    Also known as the Sugababes question.

    No

    Meeks made the same mistake.

    Although each incarnation of the Sugababes kept the name, they were not the same band.

    Is Genesis without Gabriel the same as Genesis with Gabriel?

    You can like both, but they are explicitly not the same.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,595

    Is the UK prepared for the wave of visa applicants from US who will need to escape Trump 2.0 the way things are going?

    Perhaps we should be offering top scientists and engineers a visa deal?

    Might stand a better chance if we weren't slashing funding and making redundancies in our universities. It's a shit time to be an academic.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,595
    AnneJGP said:

    Chris said:

    Eabhal said:

    Fffs said:

    Eabhal said:

    I think I'm in the 29% - at least when it comes to bicycles. It's more of an emotional thing, particularly if you've spent the time and effort to replace parts (and eventually the frame) rather than stick it in the bin the moment it plays up.

    Interesting - I have replaced almost everything except the frame on mine, but if I bought a new frame and transfered all the existing components I think I would consider it a new bike.
    Perhaps - if more than 50% of the value/weight of the parts have been there for more than 50% of the life of the bike, then it's the same bike? In my head they have a kind of soul - I certainly developed a strong attachment to the car I climbed all my Munros with*, for example.

    * Not literally, though Clarkson did bag Cnoc an Fhreiceadain with a Discovery.
    I think most people would have a very strong prejudice against saying that they weren't the same person they used to be, because most of the cells in their body have been replaced by new ones.
    How long does it take for all one's cells to be completely replaced? Some would like to argue that they weren't the person who ran up all that debt.
    It varies. Some cells turnover very quickly, particularly epithelial, but others are with us for life. Hence they gradually accumulate errors and damage as part of senescence.

    Within even those cells there will gradually be turnover though, as we enter the fractal edge of life. Yet we have continuity so are the same person, even if I wouldn't feel much in common with my forty year younger self. I have changed and the world has changed.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,980
    edited March 22
    algarkirk said:

    Is the UK prepared for the wave of visa applicants from US who will need to escape Trump 2.0 the way things are going?

    Perhaps we should be offering top scientists and engineers a visa deal?

    Good question. It really could happen. On a related matter, it seems to me that a lot of thoughtful people in the UK really don't want to talk about the subject of the internal politics of the USA. My sense is this reflects a real level of distress and sadness about this incomprehensible and wholly malign change that is coming upon the world and upon our children and grandchildren.

    The BBC has not quite caught up with the magnitude of this have they? I think the Guardian is getting there.
    I don't think it's fair to characterise the whole organisation - it is very variable across the organisations. It is all massively siloed.

    Compare to the Telegraph where Ukraine the Latest are some of the most clued in of all because they have personal experience, a good knowledge of relevant history, go themselves and find out, and listen carefully to a very diverse range of interviewees.

    Meanwhile the Daily T podcast have somewhat pivoted on Trump's attitude to Ukraine after the Oval Office confrontation, but are still desperately trying to find credible-to-themselves sounding excuses to climb up Trump's backside on things like DOGE and his random dismantling of the state regardless of consequences. And they still wet themselves over his rhetoric, without even engaging with the reality that much of it is outright fabrication.

    Over in the USA the non-Federalist Society lawyer lobby know what is happening because they expected Trump to assault the rule of law based on last time round when they were involved in slowing him down, but many military commentators (for example Ward Carroll who I was listening to this morning) have not engaged with the implications of the politics, even something as obvious as the USA losing $100bn of military exports per year and it's industry being decimated. Plus it was all there out and proud in Trump's campaign.

    Some have done so - which was why I linked to the Ben Hodges interview this morning, but in general it is to do with much of the USA never looking beyond the USA - which is just how that country lives it's existence.

    Former MSM people with podcasts (eg News Agents) are only now catching up on a few implications. But they have missed for example the assault Trump launched on international law on day 1 when he went for sanctioned individuals at the ICC, following the pattern of his attacks on Court staff over the last several years. The Rest is Politics is far better on that because of the breadth and length of experience form the inside from the presenters.

    One I think missed generally is how culturally tenacious Maga are going to be. Parts of the Trumpvangelical wing are cut from the same cloth as communities that survived throughout the entire history of the USSR. They may let the USA be laid waste economically before they back down.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,080
    Leon said:

    Uruguay is brilliant. This opinion is unconnected to the fact they are now basically force feeding me superb Uruguayan wine by the litre, like a hunger striker in H block but my dirty protest consists of mildly scathing tweets about steaks

    Was there really that little reaction to losing to Argentina, or are you studiously avoiding the subject?
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,529

    At work one of my instruments is a veritable NMR version of Triggers broom. Basic components are a large magnet, a console and a sample changer. In my time at Bath there have been three consoles (one from Varian and two from Bruker), two magnets (one each Oxford Instrumnets and Bruker) and two sample changers. Through all those changes at least one part has remained from the previous version so it has always maintained that link.

    Sadly in the autumn it will be completely replaced, and thus cease being Trigger’s 400 MHz NMR spectrometer…

    You should honour its demise with a precession through the town.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,958
    fractal edge of life?
    Tell us more
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,946
    Every time I think things can't possibly get worse in Trumpland, something comes along that confounds that hope.

    Here is Steve Witkoff, Trump's mate and fellow property developer, who is now a key US international negotiator. Being interviewed by Tucker Carlson (who else?) on his impressions of Putin.

    Apparently Putin presented Witkoff with a specially-commissioned portrait of Trump. And Putin prayed for Trump when he was shot. LOL.

    Have you ever seen anyone so credulous and ignorant as this? Truly stupefying. Does he not realise that Putin is ex-KGB?

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1903238535458721962
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,554

    Adolescence.
    I watched Episode 1 on a (4 hours late) plane. Alternately tearing up and sitting with my mouth hanging open. Not just the content and the acting - which were both brutal - its the realisation about 17 minutes in that its a single shot.
    Episode 2 had been cued up by Clarkson asking "how did they shoot that, its impossible". And it is, and yet here we are
    Episode 3 will be studied in acting schools for decades
    Episode 4 had me practically weeping at the end

    I know, I'm going on about it like Leon goes on about Covid. Sorry...

    Race baiting twat Elon Musk is getting involved.

    https://x.com/Shayan86/status/1903437283153383687
    Ian Miles Cheong is one of the more unpleasant MAGA propagandists on X.
    Utterly mendacious.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,980

    Tesla is now MAGA.

    Can the company survive?

    Glad I don't have stock.

    They're screwed. Sales in Europe are cratering because few want to drive a car associated with Musk. Likewise Musk has alienated pretty much the entire Tesla customer base in the US, and the MAGA crowd hate EVs so there's not much to be gained from appealing to that market.

    China is slipping away from them too simply because the domestic Chinese brands like BYD build better and cheaper cars.

    The Cybertruck has become a running joke and will never be available in any market, like the UK and EU, that has actual automotive safety standards. It won't sell in the numbers required to pay for the development effort. It's a financial back hole and a well run company would ditch it.

    I expect Tesla to have to pause production at certain Gigafactories fairly soon, they can't keep pumping out cars that are not selling.
    I read somewhere in the last day or two that he has promised to double production in the USA.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,958
    geoffw said:

    fractal edge of life?
    Tell us more

    Reminds me of when my son at primary school asked his friend's dad, who was an astronomer, whether the Universe was finite or infinite, and was told "we only know it doesn't have an edge"
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,554
    Scott_xP said:

    Also known as the Sugababes question.

    No

    Meeks made the same mistake.

    Although each incarnation of the Sugababes kept the name, they were not the same band.

    Is Genesis without Gabriel the same as Genesis with Gabriel?

    You can like both, but they are explicitly not the same.
    What about the Choir of King's College, Cambridge ?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,595
    geoffw said:

    fractal edge of life?
    Tell us more

    Fleas have smaller fleas, on their backs to bite them,
    They in turn have smaller fleas, and so on, ad finitum.

  • Scott_xP said:

    Also known as the Sugababes question.

    No

    Meeks made the same mistake.

    Although each incarnation of the Sugababes kept the name, they were not the same band.

    Is Genesis without Gabriel the same as Genesis with Gabriel?

    You can like both, but they are explicitly not the same.
    Yes Genesis is the same band, as long as there's continuity.

    Are we living in the same country we were living in when this thread opened?

    Since this thread opened some people in the UK have died.
    Since this thread opened some people in the UK have been born.
    Since this thread opened some flights have departed the UK taking people who have emigrated out of the country.
    Since this thread opened some flights have arrived bringing people who are migrating into the country.

    Does this change in population mean we are now another country?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,259
    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Also known as the Sugababes question.

    No

    Meeks made the same mistake.

    Although each incarnation of the Sugababes kept the name, they were not the same band.

    Is Genesis without Gabriel the same as Genesis with Gabriel?

    You can like both, but they are explicitly not the same.
    What about the Choir of King's College, Cambridge ?
    If you had been listening to Radio 3 last weekend, you would have heard the discussion about orchestras and guest conductors...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,896
    edited March 22

    Every time I think things can't possibly get worse in Trumpland, something comes along that confounds that hope.

    Here is Steve Witkoff, Trump's mate and fellow property developer, who is now a key US international negotiator. Being interviewed by Tucker Carlson (who else?) on his impressions of Putin.

    Apparently Putin presented Witkoff with a specially-commissioned portrait of Trump. And Putin prayed for Trump when he was shot. LOL.

    Have you ever seen anyone so credulous and ignorant as this? Truly stupefying. Does he not realise that Putin is ex-KGB?

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1903238535458721962

    Putin is playing a blinder. He knows exactly which keys to press with these neophytes.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,595
    Cyclefree said:

    Leon said:

    Jose Ignacio is extremely charming in march (late summer). It’s probably very exciting in high summer. Full of rich hedonistic argentines and Brazilians

    But my god it must be dull the rest of the year. It gets COLD here. And grey and windy

    So wtf did Martin Amis do for the other 7-8 months of the year? I bet he was bored witless

    It’s in Uruguay FFS. You can’t drive to Primrose Hill. Or Brooklyn

    It's nice to think of him being bored witless rather than his readers.
    Miaow!

    I found both Amis and Mantel unreadable. I tried with both. Mantel even managed to make the French Revolution boring.
    I have attempted Salman Rushdie a number of times. I don't think that I have ever managed more than a chapter. Fabulous intellect as maybe, but impossibly turgid.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,896
    Surely Rubio is gonna be the first to walk from Trump 2.0?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,259

    Surely Rubio is gonna be the first to walk from Trump 2.0?

    Why would he walk?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,134

    Surely Rubio is gonna be the first to walk from Trump 2.0?

    He's already left it too late to recover any credibility.
  • PJHPJH Posts: 774

    Scott_xP said:

    Also known as the Sugababes question.

    No

    Meeks made the same mistake.

    Although each incarnation of the Sugababes kept the name, they were not the same band.

    Is Genesis without Gabriel the same as Genesis with Gabriel?

    You can like both, but they are explicitly not the same.
    Yes Genesis is the same band, as long as there's continuity.

    Are we living in the same country we were living in when this thread opened?

    Since this thread opened some people in the UK have died.
    Since this thread opened some people in the UK have been born.
    Since this thread opened some flights have departed the UK taking people who have emigrated out of the country.
    Since this thread opened some flights have arrived bringing people who are migrating into the country.

    Does this change in population mean we are now another country?
    This one-time geographer thinks the country is the land more than the people who inhabit it. So no.

  • Every time I think things can't possibly get worse in Trumpland, something comes along that confounds that hope.

    Here is Steve Witkoff, Trump's mate and fellow property developer, who is now a key US international negotiator. Being interviewed by Tucker Carlson (who else?) on his impressions of Putin.

    Apparently Putin presented Witkoff with a specially-commissioned portrait of Trump. And Putin prayed for Trump when he was shot. LOL.

    Have you ever seen anyone so credulous and ignorant as this? Truly stupefying. Does he not realise that Putin is ex-KGB?

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1903238535458721962

    Putin is playing a blinder. He knows exactly which keys to press with this neophytes.

    It is not exactly difficult for anyone who is prepared to and has no sense of shame.

    Hence Starmer and KCIII "historic" second state visit.

    Starmer equally lacks a sense of shame, and KCIII is constitutionally incapable of being ashamed of acting that way.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,134
    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Also known as the Sugababes question.

    No

    Meeks made the same mistake.

    Although each incarnation of the Sugababes kept the name, they were not the same band.

    Is Genesis without Gabriel the same as Genesis with Gabriel?

    You can like both, but they are explicitly not the same.
    What about the Choir of King's College, Cambridge ?
    If you had been listening to Radio 3 last weekend, you would have heard the discussion about orchestras and guest conductors...
    Yes but that was a different Radio 3 to this weekend's since all the content has changed.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,360
    edited March 22

    Foxy said:

    geoffw said:

    fractal edge of life?
    Tell us more

    Fleas have smaller fleas, on their backs to bite them,
    They in turn have smaller fleas, and so on, ad finitum.

    I hate myself for this but...

    ...ad infinitum.
    And there was me telling Taz off this morning for correcting your typo.. Tut.

    Must admit I don't think I could have resisted that one either.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,554
    Foxy said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Chris said:

    Eabhal said:

    Fffs said:

    Eabhal said:

    I think I'm in the 29% - at least when it comes to bicycles. It's more of an emotional thing, particularly if you've spent the time and effort to replace parts (and eventually the frame) rather than stick it in the bin the moment it plays up.

    Interesting - I have replaced almost everything except the frame on mine, but if I bought a new frame and transfered all the existing components I think I would consider it a new bike.
    Perhaps - if more than 50% of the value/weight of the parts have been there for more than 50% of the life of the bike, then it's the same bike? In my head they have a kind of soul - I certainly developed a strong attachment to the car I climbed all my Munros with*, for example.

    * Not literally, though Clarkson did bag Cnoc an Fhreiceadain with a Discovery.
    I think most people would have a very strong prejudice against saying that they weren't the same person they used to be, because most of the cells in their body have been replaced by new ones.
    How long does it take for all one's cells to be completely replaced? Some would like to argue that they weren't the person who ran up all that debt.
    It varies. Some cells turnover very quickly, particularly epithelial, but others are with us for life. Hence they gradually accumulate errors and damage as part of senescence.

    Within even those cells there will gradually be turnover though, as we enter the fractal edge of life. Yet we have continuity so are the same person, even if I wouldn't feel much in common with my forty year younger self. I have changed and the world has changed.
    Your corneal endothelium, for example.
    I discovered I have Fuchs’ dystrophy, which drove the lesson home somewhat.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,595
    PJH said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Also known as the Sugababes question.

    No

    Meeks made the same mistake.

    Although each incarnation of the Sugababes kept the name, they were not the same band.

    Is Genesis without Gabriel the same as Genesis with Gabriel?

    You can like both, but they are explicitly not the same.
    Yes Genesis is the same band, as long as there's continuity.

    Are we living in the same country we were living in when this thread opened?

    Since this thread opened some people in the UK have died.
    Since this thread opened some people in the UK have been born.
    Since this thread opened some flights have departed the UK taking people who have emigrated out of the country.
    Since this thread opened some flights have arrived bringing people who are migrating into the country.

    Does this change in population mean we are now another country?
    This one-time geographer thinks the country is the land more than the people who inhabit it. So no.
    As a physical geographer, is social geography a work of the devil to be cast out?
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,946
    Cyclefree said:

    Leon said:

    Jose Ignacio is extremely charming in march (late summer). It’s probably very exciting in high summer. Full of rich hedonistic argentines and Brazilians

    But my god it must be dull the rest of the year. It gets COLD here. And grey and windy

    So wtf did Martin Amis do for the other 7-8 months of the year? I bet he was bored witless

    It’s in Uruguay FFS. You can’t drive to Primrose Hill. Or Brooklyn

    It's nice to think of him being bored witless rather than his readers.
    Miaow!

    I found both Amis and Mantel unreadable. I tried with both. Mantel even managed to make the French Revolution boring.
    "Money" unreadable? "Wolf Hall" unreadable? Seriously? What do you find readable?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,958

    Foxy said:

    geoffw said:

    fractal edge of life?
    Tell us more

    Fleas have smaller fleas, on their backs to bite them,
    They in turn have smaller fleas, and so on, ad finitum.

    I hate myself for this but...

    ...ad infinitum.
    "Ad finitum" is a Latin term that means "to the end" or "to have an end". It is the opposite of "ad infinitum," which means "to infinity" or "to go on forever".
  • PJH said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Also known as the Sugababes question.

    No

    Meeks made the same mistake.

    Although each incarnation of the Sugababes kept the name, they were not the same band.

    Is Genesis without Gabriel the same as Genesis with Gabriel?

    You can like both, but they are explicitly not the same.
    Yes Genesis is the same band, as long as there's continuity.

    Are we living in the same country we were living in when this thread opened?

    Since this thread opened some people in the UK have died.
    Since this thread opened some people in the UK have been born.
    Since this thread opened some flights have departed the UK taking people who have emigrated out of the country.
    Since this thread opened some flights have arrived bringing people who are migrating into the country.

    Does this change in population mean we are now another country?
    This one-time geographer thinks the country is the land more than the people who inhabit it. So no.
    Coastal erosion means that land that used to be part of England is now part of the sea. Does that mean we are no longer the same country?
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,946


    Every time I think things can't possibly get worse in Trumpland, something comes along that confounds that hope.

    Here is Steve Witkoff, Trump's mate and fellow property developer, who is now a key US international negotiator. Being interviewed by Tucker Carlson (who else?) on his impressions of Putin.

    Apparently Putin presented Witkoff with a specially-commissioned portrait of Trump. And Putin prayed for Trump when he was shot. LOL.

    Have you ever seen anyone so credulous and ignorant as this? Truly stupefying. Does he not realise that Putin is ex-KGB?

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1903238535458721962

    Putin is playing a blinder. He knows exactly which keys to press with this neophytes.

    It is not exactly difficult for anyone who is prepared to and has no sense of shame.

    Hence Starmer and KCIII "historic" second state visit.

    Starmer equally lacks a sense of shame, and KCIII is constitutionally incapable of being ashamed of acting that way.
    No. Starmer has no choice but to try to play Trump and the only way you can do that is through flattery. Must be nauseating for him but he has my respect for trying. Likewise KCIII for doing his duty and going along with it.

    Sadly, the truth is that the US really is the one indispensable country. The tragedy is that it is currently led by a grotesque malignant narcissist and a coterie of toad-eaters.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,719
    edited March 22
    stodge said:

    The Opinium VI numbers (based on the data tables):

    Labour: 26% (-2)
    Reform 26% (-1)
    Conservative 21% (+1)
    Liberal Democrats: 13% (+1)
    Greens: 8% (nc)

    No significant change though some slight improvement in Badenoch's ratings as Starmer's fall back but again nothing too drastic.

    Looking at voter shifts since last July, Labour has lost a third of those voting for them then with the ex-Labour voters going to all parties.

    The Conservatives have lost 20% of their 2024 vote to Reform but have picked up voters from other parties.

    The Liberal Democrats have retained 79% of their 2024 vote while Reform not only have 87% of their own 2024 vote but have picked up from both Conservative and Labour in equal numbers.

    Labour being tied with REF must be a bit of a worry for LAB as Opinium have tended to be one of the more favourable pollsters for Labour since the election?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,595
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Chris said:

    Eabhal said:

    Fffs said:

    Eabhal said:

    I think I'm in the 29% - at least when it comes to bicycles. It's more of an emotional thing, particularly if you've spent the time and effort to replace parts (and eventually the frame) rather than stick it in the bin the moment it plays up.

    Interesting - I have replaced almost everything except the frame on mine, but if I bought a new frame and transfered all the existing components I think I would consider it a new bike.
    Perhaps - if more than 50% of the value/weight of the parts have been there for more than 50% of the life of the bike, then it's the same bike? In my head they have a kind of soul - I certainly developed a strong attachment to the car I climbed all my Munros with*, for example.

    * Not literally, though Clarkson did bag Cnoc an Fhreiceadain with a Discovery.
    I think most people would have a very strong prejudice against saying that they weren't the same person they used to be, because most of the cells in their body have been replaced by new ones.
    How long does it take for all one's cells to be completely replaced? Some would like to argue that they weren't the person who ran up all that debt.
    It varies. Some cells turnover very quickly, particularly epithelial, but others are with us for life. Hence they gradually accumulate errors and damage as part of senescence.

    Within even those cells there will gradually be turnover though, as we enter the fractal edge of life. Yet we have continuity so are the same person, even if I wouldn't feel much in common with my forty year younger self. I have changed and the world has changed.
    Your corneal endothelium, for example.
    I discovered I have Fuchs’ dystrophy, which drove the lesson home somewhat.
    It is possible to have corneal transplants, but do they become part of you, or do you become part of them?

    The Adverts explored this philosophical point in their seminal work "Looking through Gary Gilmores Eyes".

    https://youtu.be/AFSq_vOrbcM?feature=shared
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,958
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Chris said:

    Eabhal said:

    Fffs said:

    Eabhal said:

    I think I'm in the 29% - at least when it comes to bicycles. It's more of an emotional thing, particularly if you've spent the time and effort to replace parts (and eventually the frame) rather than stick it in the bin the moment it plays up.

    Interesting - I have replaced almost everything except the frame on mine, but if I bought a new frame and transfered all the existing components I think I would consider it a new bike.
    Perhaps - if more than 50% of the value/weight of the parts have been there for more than 50% of the life of the bike, then it's the same bike? In my head they have a kind of soul - I certainly developed a strong attachment to the car I climbed all my Munros with*, for example.

    * Not literally, though Clarkson did bag Cnoc an Fhreiceadain with a Discovery.
    I think most people would have a very strong prejudice against saying that they weren't the same person they used to be, because most of the cells in their body have been replaced by new ones.
    How long does it take for all one's cells to be completely replaced? Some would like to argue that they weren't the person who ran up all that debt.
    It varies. Some cells turnover very quickly, particularly epithelial, but others are with us for life. Hence they gradually accumulate errors and damage as part of senescence.

    Within even those cells there will gradually be turnover though, as we enter the fractal edge of life. Yet we have continuity so are the same person, even if I wouldn't feel much in common with my forty year younger self. I have changed and the world has changed.
    Your corneal endothelium, for example.
    I discovered I have Fuchs’ dystrophy, which drove the lesson home somewhat.
    It is possible to have corneal transplants, but do they become part of you, or do you become part of them?

    The Adverts explored this philosophical point in their seminal work "Looking through Gary Gilmores Eyes".

    https://youtu.be/AFSq_vOrbcM?feature=shared
    That's Roger's band isn't it?

  • PJHPJH Posts: 774
    Foxy said:

    PJH said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Also known as the Sugababes question.

    No

    Meeks made the same mistake.

    Although each incarnation of the Sugababes kept the name, they were not the same band.

    Is Genesis without Gabriel the same as Genesis with Gabriel?

    You can like both, but they are explicitly not the same.
    Yes Genesis is the same band, as long as there's continuity.

    Are we living in the same country we were living in when this thread opened?

    Since this thread opened some people in the UK have died.
    Since this thread opened some people in the UK have been born.
    Since this thread opened some flights have departed the UK taking people who have emigrated out of the country.
    Since this thread opened some flights have arrived bringing people who are migrating into the country.

    Does this change in population mean we are now another country?
    This one-time geographer thinks the country is the land more than the people who inhabit it. So no.
    As a physical geographer, is social geography a work of the devil to be cast out?
    Tbh I found physical geography a bit dull so I'm not the one to ask! Social geography is only one part of human geography, how it all blends together to make up the whole was what always interested me.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,842
    The answer is no.
    Nowt is the same moment to moment. There is merely becoming.
    That includes you.
    All is impermanent.
    Thus. Change is possible.
  • PJHPJH Posts: 774

    PJH said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Also known as the Sugababes question.

    No

    Meeks made the same mistake.

    Although each incarnation of the Sugababes kept the name, they were not the same band.

    Is Genesis without Gabriel the same as Genesis with Gabriel?

    You can like both, but they are explicitly not the same.
    Yes Genesis is the same band, as long as there's continuity.

    Are we living in the same country we were living in when this thread opened?

    Since this thread opened some people in the UK have died.
    Since this thread opened some people in the UK have been born.
    Since this thread opened some flights have departed the UK taking people who have emigrated out of the country.
    Since this thread opened some flights have arrived bringing people who are migrating into the country.

    Does this change in population mean we are now another country?
    This one-time geographer thinks the country is the land more than the people who inhabit it. So no.
    Coastal erosion means that land that used to be part of England is now part of the sea. Does that mean we are no longer the same country?
    Haha, I saw that coming as soon as I pressed Post. And with deposition too in estuaries. Clearly the answer must be yes then after all :-)

    Of course I just wanted to interject a different opinion lightheartedly on a Saturday evening.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,844
    edited March 22
    GIN1138 said:

    stodge said:

    The Opinium VI numbers (based on the data tables):

    Labour: 26% (-2)
    Reform 26% (-1)
    Conservative 21% (+1)
    Liberal Democrats: 13% (+1)
    Greens: 8% (nc)

    No significant change though some slight improvement in Badenoch's ratings as Starmer's fall back but again nothing too drastic.

    Looking at voter shifts since last July, Labour has lost a third of those voting for them then with the ex-Labour voters going to all parties.

    The Conservatives have lost 20% of their 2024 vote to Reform but have picked up voters from other parties.

    The Liberal Democrats have retained 79% of their 2024 vote while Reform not only have 87% of their own 2024 vote but have picked up from both Conservative and Labour in equal numbers.

    Labour being tied with REF must be a bit of a worry for LAB as Opinium have tended to be one of the more favourable pollsters for Labour since the election?
    Good evening

    With Reeves statement on Wednesday and these price rises from 1st April the polling into that month will be interesting

    https://news.sky.com/story/heres-every-household-bill-rising-in-april-and-how-you-can-beat-the-hikes-13040934

    And this

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/22/all-uk-families-to-be-worse-off-by-2030-as-poor-bear-the-brunt-new-data-warns?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,719

    GIN1138 said:

    stodge said:

    The Opinium VI numbers (based on the data tables):

    Labour: 26% (-2)
    Reform 26% (-1)
    Conservative 21% (+1)
    Liberal Democrats: 13% (+1)
    Greens: 8% (nc)

    No significant change though some slight improvement in Badenoch's ratings as Starmer's fall back but again nothing too drastic.

    Looking at voter shifts since last July, Labour has lost a third of those voting for them then with the ex-Labour voters going to all parties.

    The Conservatives have lost 20% of their 2024 vote to Reform but have picked up voters from other parties.

    The Liberal Democrats have retained 79% of their 2024 vote while Reform not only have 87% of their own 2024 vote but have picked up from both Conservative and Labour in equal numbers.

    Labour being tied with REF must be a bit of a worry for LAB as Opinium have tended to be one of the more favourable pollsters for Labour since the election?
    Good evening

    With Reeves statement on Wednesday and these price rises from 1st April the polling into that month will be interesting

    https://news.sky.com/story/heres-every-household-bill-rising-in-april-and-how-you-can-beat-the-hikes-13040934
    Evening Big G.

    Get the feeling if Reeves screws up another budget she may be toast?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,896
    Hegseth has a twitter poll running about whether DoD should be renamed Department of War.

    Trump tells us all the time he is against wars.

    Hmm....

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,844
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    stodge said:

    The Opinium VI numbers (based on the data tables):

    Labour: 26% (-2)
    Reform 26% (-1)
    Conservative 21% (+1)
    Liberal Democrats: 13% (+1)
    Greens: 8% (nc)

    No significant change though some slight improvement in Badenoch's ratings as Starmer's fall back but again nothing too drastic.

    Looking at voter shifts since last July, Labour has lost a third of those voting for them then with the ex-Labour voters going to all parties.

    The Conservatives have lost 20% of their 2024 vote to Reform but have picked up voters from other parties.

    The Liberal Democrats have retained 79% of their 2024 vote while Reform not only have 87% of their own 2024 vote but have picked up from both Conservative and Labour in equal numbers.

    Labour being tied with REF must be a bit of a worry for LAB as Opinium have tended to be one of the more favourable pollsters for Labour since the election?
    Good evening

    With Reeves statement on Wednesday and these price rises from 1st April the polling into that month will be interesting

    https://news.sky.com/story/heres-every-household-bill-rising-in-april-and-how-you-can-beat-the-hikes-13040934
    Evening Big G.

    Get the feeling if Reeves screws up another budget she may be toast?
    She has nowhere to hide
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,971
    Very clear wake up call to Labour - particularly the abattoir chic harem, smeared over the front bench around Starmer: if you want to know what a proper hair style is, look at Kate on front Sunday Mirror.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,288

    Very clear wake up call to Labour - particularly the abattoir chic harem, smeared over the front bench around Starmer: if you want to know what a proper hair style is, look at Kate on front Sunday Mirror.

    "Well, Clarice. Have the lambs stopped screaming?" :lol:
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,896

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    stodge said:

    The Opinium VI numbers (based on the data tables):

    Labour: 26% (-2)
    Reform 26% (-1)
    Conservative 21% (+1)
    Liberal Democrats: 13% (+1)
    Greens: 8% (nc)

    No significant change though some slight improvement in Badenoch's ratings as Starmer's fall back but again nothing too drastic.

    Looking at voter shifts since last July, Labour has lost a third of those voting for them then with the ex-Labour voters going to all parties.

    The Conservatives have lost 20% of their 2024 vote to Reform but have picked up voters from other parties.

    The Liberal Democrats have retained 79% of their 2024 vote while Reform not only have 87% of their own 2024 vote but have picked up from both Conservative and Labour in equal numbers.

    Labour being tied with REF must be a bit of a worry for LAB as Opinium have tended to be one of the more favourable pollsters for Labour since the election?
    Good evening

    With Reeves statement on Wednesday and these price rises from 1st April the polling into that month will be interesting

    https://news.sky.com/story/heres-every-household-bill-rising-in-april-and-how-you-can-beat-the-hikes-13040934
    Evening Big G.

    Get the feeling if Reeves screws up another budget she may be toast?
    She has nowhere to hide
    Feels to me like she has been totally captured by Treasury Think and is not politically dominant enough to face them down.

    Apparently a former BoE economist, Andy Hasland (sp?) thinks the only way to get growth is to split the growth function from the Treasury bean counters into a new dynamic department.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,958

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    stodge said:

    The Opinium VI numbers (based on the data tables):

    Labour: 26% (-2)
    Reform 26% (-1)
    Conservative 21% (+1)
    Liberal Democrats: 13% (+1)
    Greens: 8% (nc)

    No significant change though some slight improvement in Badenoch's ratings as Starmer's fall back but again nothing too drastic.

    Looking at voter shifts since last July, Labour has lost a third of those voting for them then with the ex-Labour voters going to all parties.

    The Conservatives have lost 20% of their 2024 vote to Reform but have picked up voters from other parties.

    The Liberal Democrats have retained 79% of their 2024 vote while Reform not only have 87% of their own 2024 vote but have picked up from both Conservative and Labour in equal numbers.

    Labour being tied with REF must be a bit of a worry for LAB as Opinium have tended to be one of the more favourable pollsters for Labour since the election?
    Good evening

    With Reeves statement on Wednesday and these price rises from 1st April the polling into that month will be interesting

    https://news.sky.com/story/heres-every-household-bill-rising-in-april-and-how-you-can-beat-the-hikes-13040934
    Evening Big G.

    Get the feeling if Reeves screws up another budget she may be toast?
    She has nowhere to hide
    Feels to me like she has been totally captured by Treasury Think and is not politically dominant enough to face them down.

    Apparently a former BoE economist, Andy Hasland (sp?) thinks the only way to get growth is to split the growth function from the Treasury bean counters into a new dynamic department.
    Haldane

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,288

    Hegseth has a twitter poll running about whether DoD should be renamed Department of War.

    Trump tells us all the time he is against wars.

    Hmm....

    "War is Peace!"
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,595

    Hegseth has a twitter poll running about whether DoD should be renamed Department of War.

    Trump tells us all the time he is against wars.

    Hmm....

    We abolished our Minister of War in 1964, subsuming it in the more mealy mouthed Defence ministry.

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,134
    geoffw said:

    Foxy said:

    geoffw said:

    fractal edge of life?
    Tell us more

    Fleas have smaller fleas, on their backs to bite them,
    They in turn have smaller fleas, and so on, ad finitum.

    I hate myself for this but...

    ...ad infinitum.
    "Ad finitum" is a Latin term that means "to the end" or "to have an end". It is the opposite of "ad infinitum," which means "to infinity" or "to go on forever".
    Yes but the quoted verse has ad infinitum.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siphonaptera_(poem)
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,867
    My hot take here is the real enemies of the state are the 8% of bland wishy-washies afraid to even venture to have an opinion on the question. GET OFF THE FENCE AND AT LEAST GIVE ANSWERING IT A PROPER GO.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,766

    Hegseth has a twitter poll running about whether DoD should be renamed Department of War.

    Trump tells us all the time he is against wars.

    Hmm....

    How about Department of Offense?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,971

    Very clear wake up call to Labour - particularly the abattoir chic harem, smeared over the front bench around Starmer: if you want to know what a proper hair style is, look at Kate on front Sunday Mirror.

    "Well, Clarice. Have the lambs stopped screaming?" :lol:
    No. Still very busy my end. And it’s a meh sound commonly called bleat.

    But if anyone wants to answer a political/historical/religious/royalty question - under Henry the 8th England ruled France, during those times did UK Monarchy try to do away with Catholic Mass in France, in favour of something much more simpler? If so, how did that go, as Monarch imposing CoE worship on Catholic France would surely have been a big bone of contention?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,116
    sarissa said:

    Leon said:

    Uruguay is brilliant. This opinion is unconnected to the fact they are now basically force feeding me superb Uruguayan wine by the litre, like a hunger striker in H block but my dirty protest consists of mildly scathing tweets about steaks

    Was there really that little reaction to losing to Argentina, or are you studiously avoiding the subject?
    I watched the match in Uruguay. TBH it wasn’t as fun as I hoped as no one REALLY cared, because the World Cup qualifiers are structured so that almost every team of consequence is bound to go through, play offs against Tahiti etc

    This was Uruguayans that told me this, btw, before they lost, not after

    Excellent Argie goal however
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,967

    Hegseth has a twitter poll running about whether DoD should be renamed Department of War.

    Trump tells us all the time he is against wars.

    Hmm....

    How about the 'Department of Fat Stupid Drunks?'
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,867
    Foxy said:

    Hegseth has a twitter poll running about whether DoD should be renamed Department of War.

    Trump tells us all the time he is against wars.

    Hmm....

    We abolished our Minister of War in 1964, subsuming it in the more mealy mouthed Defence ministry.

    Due to government cutbacks it was downgraded to Minister of Minor Brushfire Conflicts.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,896

    The Daily Show

    @TheDailyShow
    Welcome back, astronauts! A LOT has changed since you left...

    https://x.com/TheDailyShow/status/1903507585363251685
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,173
    Foxy said:

    Hegseth has a twitter poll running about whether DoD should be renamed Department of War.

    Trump tells us all the time he is against wars.

    Hmm....

    We abolished our Minister of War in 1964, subsuming it in the more mealy mouthed Defence ministry.

    It is at least still a ministry, which seems to have generally fallen out of fashion. We apparently have three still left.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,967

    Foxy said:

    Hegseth has a twitter poll running about whether DoD should be renamed Department of War.

    Trump tells us all the time he is against wars.

    Hmm....

    We abolished our Minister of War in 1964, subsuming it in the more mealy mouthed Defence ministry.

    Due to government cutbacks it was downgraded to Minister of Minor Brushfire Conflicts.
    Given the scandal which expedited its departure, more sort of Minor Fired due to Bush and Conflicts.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,173
    Scott_xP said:

    Surely Rubio is gonna be the first to walk from Trump 2.0?

    Why would he walk?
    The belief he's not fully on board seems to be based on pretty much nothing. He knew what he was getting into this time, and what he needed to do to get a job.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,116
    ON topic I am beginning to see why people fall in love with this stretch of coast. I thought it was gonna be a shit version of the Costa del Sol surrounding Marbella

    It isn’t, it’s much more soulful, surfy and tastefully opulent, but with a remote South American pampas grass-and-pines feel, like the French Atlantic around Biarritz meets North California around Carmel, but after a weirdly forensic plague killed just the poor
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,595
    edited March 22
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Hegseth has a twitter poll running about whether DoD should be renamed Department of War.

    Trump tells us all the time he is against wars.

    Hmm....

    We abolished our Minister of War in 1964, subsuming it in the more mealy mouthed Defence ministry.

    Due to government cutbacks it was downgraded to Minister of Minor Brushfire Conflicts.
    Given the scandal which expedited its departure, more sort of Minor Fired due to Bush and Conflicts.
    Are you suggesting that Mandy Rice Davies applies?

    (Makes me nostalgic for the good old days when being compromised by Russian agents was a resigning matter rather than a CV point).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,896
    Speaker Mike Johnson

    @SpeakerJohnson
    The House is working overtime to limit the abuses of activist federal judges. Our @JudiciaryGOP
    will expose the worst offenders in a high profile hearing & we are preparing urgent legislative action, like the @repdarrellissa bill to stop unfounded nationwide injunctions.


    https://x.com/SpeakerJohnson/status/1903529228085109157
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,134
    edited March 22

    Hegseth has a twitter poll running about whether DoD should be renamed Department of War.

    Trump tells us all the time he is against wars.

    Hmm....

    "War is Peace!"
    I don't want to hear that because "Ignorance is Strength"
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,967
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Hegseth has a twitter poll running about whether DoD should be renamed Department of War.

    Trump tells us all the time he is against wars.

    Hmm....

    We abolished our Minister of War in 1964, subsuming it in the more mealy mouthed Defence ministry.

    Due to government cutbacks it was downgraded to Minister of Minor Brushfire Conflicts.
    Given the scandal which expedited its departure, more sort of Minor Fired due to Bush and Conflicts.
    Are you suggesting that Mandy Rice Davies applies?

    (Makes me nostalgic for the good old days when being compromised by Russian agents was a resigning matter rather than a CV point).
    It does, but perhaps we should leave it there to ward off any more puns.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,116

    Foxy said:

    geoffw said:

    fractal edge of life?
    Tell us more

    Fleas have smaller fleas, on their backs to bite them,
    They in turn have smaller fleas, and so on, ad finitum.

    I hate myself for this but...

    ...ad infinitum.
    it’s also ”bite ’em” - not “them” - so the rhyme with ad infinitum is better and funnier

    In toto:

    Great fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite 'em,
    And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,743
    dixiedean said:

    The answer is no.
    Nowt is the same moment to moment. There is merely becoming.
    That includes you.
    All is impermanent.
    Thus. Change is possible.

    The fact that change moment to moment is true does not entail the non endurance of identity in objects - which is the underlying issue in Trigger's broom. That the broom is the same broom enduring through change is generally true, second by second, as it sits quietly there in the corner undergoing constant tiny changes.

    If this were not true than the word 'you' which you use would fail to to capable of making a distinct reference. Which would render language redundant both in your case and in general.

    Trigger's broom raises other issues too of course, in particular because none of the original parts remain. But the fact of change alone does not answer the broom problem. (My answer, detail above somewhere is Yes).
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,390
    Pro_Rata said:

    At work one of my instruments is a veritable NMR version of Triggers broom. Basic components are a large magnet, a console and a sample changer. In my time at Bath there have been three consoles (one from Varian and two from Bruker), two magnets (one each Oxford Instrumnets and Bruker) and two sample changers. Through all those changes at least one part has remained from the previous version so it has always maintained that link.

    Sadly in the autumn it will be completely replaced, and thus cease being Trigger’s 400 MHz NMR spectrometer…

    You should honour its demise with a precession through the town.
    With people dressed up as Batman and Robin?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,134
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    geoffw said:

    fractal edge of life?
    Tell us more

    Fleas have smaller fleas, on their backs to bite them,
    They in turn have smaller fleas, and so on, ad finitum.

    I hate myself for this but...

    ...ad infinitum.
    it’s also ”bite ’em” - not “them” - so the rhyme with ad infinitum is better and funnier

    In toto:

    Great fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite 'em,
    And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum
    Indeed, largely pinched from Swift too:

    The Vermin only teaze and pinch
    Their Foes superior by an Inch.
    So, Nat'ralists observe, a Flea
    Hath smaller Fleas that on him prey,
    And these have smaller yet to bite 'em,
    And so proceed ad infinitum:
    Thus ev'ry Poet, in his Kind
    Is bit by him that comes behind.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,343
    After crushing the football titans of Fiji 7-0 in the semi final, the clash to shake the very soul of the Southwest Pacific is now imminent.

    For a place in World Cup 2026 alongside Japan and God knows who else, New Zealand, the mighty All Whites, must overcome the legends that are New Caledonia in the Play Off Final on Monday morning (UK).

    More exciting than a travelogue from Uruguay, of more significance than the latest Welsh political gossip, of greater relevance than the specification of an F-35, more urgent than a quote from Fawlty Towers, Blackadder or Python?

    Probably not…..
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,588
    Adolescence. Gosh. Could only cope with the first episode tonight.
    It’s not exactly Ballykissangel is it?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,595
    stodge said:

    After crushing the football titans of Fiji 7-0 in the semi final, the clash to shake the very soul of the Southwest Pacific is now imminent.

    For a place in World Cup 2026 alongside Japan and God knows who else, New Zealand, the mighty All Whites, must overcome the legends that are New Caledonia in the Play Off Final on Monday morning (UK).

    More exciting than a travelogue from Uruguay, of more significance than the latest Welsh political gossip, of greater relevance than the specification of an F-35, more urgent than a quote from Fawlty Towers, Blackadder or Python?

    Probably not…..

    The World Cup is in the USA, so the All Whites should be nailed on.

    The Kiwis are fortunate that it isn't a rugby tournament.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,743

    Very clear wake up call to Labour - particularly the abattoir chic harem, smeared over the front bench around Starmer: if you want to know what a proper hair style is, look at Kate on front Sunday Mirror.

    "Well, Clarice. Have the lambs stopped screaming?" :lol:
    No. Still very busy my end. And it’s a meh sound commonly called bleat.

    But if anyone wants to answer a political/historical/religious/royalty question - under Henry the 8th England ruled France, during those times did UK Monarchy try to do away with Catholic Mass in France, in favour of something much more simpler? If so, how did that go, as Monarch imposing CoE worship on Catholic France would surely have been a big bone of contention?
    I think that question needs some very sober clarifications before it is capable of being answered.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,588

    Speaker Mike Johnson

    @SpeakerJohnson
    The House is working overtime to limit the abuses of activist federal judges. Our @JudiciaryGOP
    will expose the worst offenders in a high profile hearing & we are preparing urgent legislative action, like the @repdarrellissa bill to stop unfounded nationwide injunctions.

    https://x.com/SpeakerJohnson/status/1903529228085109157

    My periodic check: are we agreed the USA is becoming a dictatorship yet, or is the - um -jury still out?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,467
    edited March 22
    TimS said:

    Adolescence. Gosh. Could only cope with the first episode tonight.
    It’s not exactly Ballykissangel is it?

    First episode's the good one. Next episode we get experienced police officers pretending not to understand technology so the screenwriter has an opportunity to explain it to the audience...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,967
    TimS said:

    Speaker Mike Johnson

    @SpeakerJohnson
    The House is working overtime to limit the abuses of activist federal judges. Our @JudiciaryGOP
    will expose the worst offenders in a high profile hearing & we are preparing urgent legislative action, like the @repdarrellissa bill to stop unfounded nationwide injunctions.

    https://x.com/SpeakerJohnson/status/1903529228085109157

    My periodic check: are we agreed the USA is becoming a dictatorship yet, or is the - um -jury still out?
    It depends.

    Are they going to finally lock Aileen Cannon and Clarence Thomas up for their crimes?

    If not, I'll go with 'yes.'
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,173
    carnforth said:

    TimS said:

    Adolescence. Gosh. Could only cope with the first episode tonight.
    It’s not exactly Ballykissangel is it?

    First episode's the good one. Next episode we get experienced police officers pretending not to understand technology so the screenwriter has an opportunity to explain it to the audience...
    Sounds like there could be better ways to get that exposition out than that old cliche.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,173
    edited March 22
    ydoethur said:

    TimS said:

    Speaker Mike Johnson

    @SpeakerJohnson
    The House is working overtime to limit the abuses of activist federal judges. Our @JudiciaryGOP
    will expose the worst offenders in a high profile hearing & we are preparing urgent legislative action, like the @repdarrellissa bill to stop unfounded nationwide injunctions.

    https://x.com/SpeakerJohnson/status/1903529228085109157

    My periodic check: are we agreed the USA is becoming a dictatorship yet, or is the - um -jury still out?
    It depends.

    Are they going to finally lock Aileen Cannon and Clarence Thomas up for their crimes?

    If not, I'll go with 'yes.'
    The only surprise so far is Cannon has not yet been promoted, as far as I know.

    Thomas is presumably too busy with the latest 'gift' from billionaire 'friends' he 'forgot' to declare to know what is going on without a clerk telling him.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,595
    edited March 22
    TimS said:

    Adolescence. Gosh. Could only cope with the first episode tonight.
    It’s not exactly Ballykissangel is it?

    Mrs Foxy and I have managed the first two. Quite heavy, but I think will have quite an impact on the national conversation

    Great acting, plotting not afraid of breaking new ground, with cunning camera work that maintains the feeling of claustrophobia.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,554
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Chris said:

    Eabhal said:

    Fffs said:

    Eabhal said:

    I think I'm in the 29% - at least when it comes to bicycles. It's more of an emotional thing, particularly if you've spent the time and effort to replace parts (and eventually the frame) rather than stick it in the bin the moment it plays up.

    Interesting - I have replaced almost everything except the frame on mine, but if I bought a new frame and transfered all the existing components I think I would consider it a new bike.
    Perhaps - if more than 50% of the value/weight of the parts have been there for more than 50% of the life of the bike, then it's the same bike? In my head they have a kind of soul - I certainly developed a strong attachment to the car I climbed all my Munros with*, for example.

    * Not literally, though Clarkson did bag Cnoc an Fhreiceadain with a Discovery.
    I think most people would have a very strong prejudice against saying that they weren't the same person they used to be, because most of the cells in their body have been replaced by new ones.
    How long does it take for all one's cells to be completely replaced? Some would like to argue that they weren't the person who ran up all that debt.
    It varies. Some cells turnover very quickly, particularly epithelial, but others are with us for life. Hence they gradually accumulate errors and damage as part of senescence.

    Within even those cells there will gradually be turnover though, as we enter the fractal edge of life. Yet we have continuity so are the same person, even if I wouldn't feel much in common with my forty year younger self. I have changed and the world has changed.
    Your corneal endothelium, for example.
    I discovered I have Fuchs’ dystrophy, which drove the lesson home somewhat.
    It is possible to have corneal transplants, but do they become part of you, or do you become part of them?

    The Adverts explored this philosophical point in their seminal work "Looking through Gary Gilmores Eyes".

    https://youtu.be/AFSq_vOrbcM?feature=shared
    Are you suggesting the US adopt the Chinese approach to capital punishment organ transplants ?

    Anything is possible under this administration, certainly.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,595
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Chris said:

    Eabhal said:

    Fffs said:

    Eabhal said:

    I think I'm in the 29% - at least when it comes to bicycles. It's more of an emotional thing, particularly if you've spent the time and effort to replace parts (and eventually the frame) rather than stick it in the bin the moment it plays up.

    Interesting - I have replaced almost everything except the frame on mine, but if I bought a new frame and transfered all the existing components I think I would consider it a new bike.
    Perhaps - if more than 50% of the value/weight of the parts have been there for more than 50% of the life of the bike, then it's the same bike? In my head they have a kind of soul - I certainly developed a strong attachment to the car I climbed all my Munros with*, for example.

    * Not literally, though Clarkson did bag Cnoc an Fhreiceadain with a Discovery.
    I think most people would have a very strong prejudice against saying that they weren't the same person they used to be, because most of the cells in their body have been replaced by new ones.
    How long does it take for all one's cells to be completely replaced? Some would like to argue that they weren't the person who ran up all that debt.
    It varies. Some cells turnover very quickly, particularly epithelial, but others are with us for life. Hence they gradually accumulate errors and damage as part of senescence.

    Within even those cells there will gradually be turnover though, as we enter the fractal edge of life. Yet we have continuity so are the same person, even if I wouldn't feel much in common with my forty year younger self. I have changed and the world has changed.
    Your corneal endothelium, for example.
    I discovered I have Fuchs’ dystrophy, which drove the lesson home somewhat.
    It is possible to have corneal transplants, but do they become part of you, or do you become part of them?

    The Adverts explored this philosophical point in their seminal work "Looking through Gary Gilmores Eyes".

    https://youtu.be/AFSq_vOrbcM?feature=shared
    Are you suggesting the US adopt the Chinese approach to capital punishment organ transplants ?

    Anything is possible under this administration, certainly.
    Gary Gilmore was executed in 1977, by firing squad. The first US execution since the early Sixties. I believe that the song is based on fact.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,743
    edited March 22
    TimS said:

    Speaker Mike Johnson

    @SpeakerJohnson
    The House is working overtime to limit the abuses of activist federal judges. Our @JudiciaryGOP
    will expose the worst offenders in a high profile hearing & we are preparing urgent legislative action, like the @repdarrellissa bill to stop unfounded nationwide injunctions.

    https://x.com/SpeakerJohnson/status/1903529228085109157

    My periodic check: are we agreed the USA is becoming a dictatorship yet, or is the - um -jury still out?
    Yes, it is so becoming; that is the intention. The jury is not still out. The jury is still out about outcomes. Remaining questions include:

    Is the intention a continuing 'elected' dictatorship or a rigged/non elected one?

    Will the SCOTUS intervene decisively, and if so will their judgment be enforced?

    Will there be an enforced clamp down on the jurisdiction of the courts?

    Will the, fairly wide, degree of free speech (under intimidation) and free media be allowed to continue?

    Will there be a 'Reichstag Fire' event?

    Will there be a counter-coup?

    (So far this is all at the very worst end of my expectations).
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,595
    carnforth said:

    TimS said:

    Adolescence. Gosh. Could only cope with the first episode tonight.
    It’s not exactly Ballykissangel is it?

    First episode's the good one. Next episode we get experienced police officers pretending not to understand technology so the screenwriter has an opportunity to explain it to the audience...
    Not understanding the language of social media rather than the technology.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,896
    algarkirk said:

    TimS said:

    Speaker Mike Johnson

    @SpeakerJohnson
    The House is working overtime to limit the abuses of activist federal judges. Our @JudiciaryGOP
    will expose the worst offenders in a high profile hearing & we are preparing urgent legislative action, like the @repdarrellissa bill to stop unfounded nationwide injunctions.

    https://x.com/SpeakerJohnson/status/1903529228085109157

    My periodic check: are we agreed the USA is becoming a dictatorship yet, or is the - um -jury still out?
    Yes, it is so becoming; that is the intention. The jury is not still out. The jury is still out about outcomes. Remaining questions include:

    Is the intention a continuing 'elected' dictatorship or a rigged/non elected one?

    Will the SCOTUS intervene decisively, and if so will their judgment be enforced?

    Will there be an enforced clamp down on the jurisdiction of the courts?

    Will the, fairly wide, degree of free speech (under intimidation) and free media be allowed to continue?

    Will there be a 'Reichstag Fire' event?

    Will there be a counter-coup?
    Seems to me the only thing the House is working on at the moment is limiting the judges. Has anyone heard a peep from them otherwise?

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,896
    algarkirk said:

    TimS said:

    Speaker Mike Johnson

    @SpeakerJohnson
    The House is working overtime to limit the abuses of activist federal judges. Our @JudiciaryGOP
    will expose the worst offenders in a high profile hearing & we are preparing urgent legislative action, like the @repdarrellissa bill to stop unfounded nationwide injunctions.

    https://x.com/SpeakerJohnson/status/1903529228085109157

    My periodic check: are we agreed the USA is becoming a dictatorship yet, or is the - um -jury still out?
    Yes, it is so becoming; that is the intention. The jury is not still out. The jury is still out about outcomes. Remaining questions include:

    Is the intention a continuing 'elected' dictatorship or a rigged/non elected one?

    Will the SCOTUS intervene decisively, and if so will their judgment be enforced?

    Will there be an enforced clamp down on the jurisdiction of the courts?

    Will the, fairly wide, degree of free speech (under intimidation) and free media be allowed to continue?

    Will there be a 'Reichstag Fire' event?

    Will there be a counter-coup?

    (So far this is all at the very worst end of my expectations).
    Will there be a 'Reichstag Fire' event?

    Yes.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,116
    I love really chic, desirable places out of season

    The last rays of sun on Menton or Monaco in early October, deckchairs folded, yet sill the douceur du vivre

    Venice in mid December, or late January brrrr but oooooooh the lights on the wet cobbles and misty canals

    Punta del Este in March, the pines sway in a cooling breeze in a slant of faded golden sun, the fisherman stand and scent autumn as the last pretty girl from that Malbec dynasty packs her beach towels, and trails sand to her boyfriend’s Tesla
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