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Ed Miliband is impressing a key demographic – politicalbetting.com

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Ed Miliband is impressing a key demographic – politicalbetting.com

NEW: We’re excited to unveil a new partnership with @survation.bsky.social – polling Labour members among our readership.We think it’s important to highlight the full range and nuances of members’ views. Send us ideas for Qs at mail@labourlist.org.Some findings…?labourlist.org/2025/03/cabi…

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  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,712
    Labourlist's readership, not PB's.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 597
    An interesting thought experiment - what would a Milliband government do - in opposition to Farage as LOTO?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,128
    edited March 21
    At the budget the OBR forecast £127.5 billion of borrowing the 12-month financial year ending in March. In 11 months that has already reached £132.2 billion.

    Stick another £10bn on that for final month of the year will result in £15bn blackhole.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,128
    DavidL said:

    FPT

    rottenborough said:
    Guess the Heathrow fire will block out the dire news for Reeves on public borrowing.

    I said:
    Absolutely horrendous. Over £10bn deficit in February alone and this unsustainable pumping in of excess demand is doing no more than keeping the economy flat lining with no growth in sight.

    We are in a terrible mess. Debt has risen by £1trn over the last 5 years and for what? What do we actually get a return on from that unimaginably large sum of money? Many people who could afford it got help with their heating bills. Millions who could have worked got paid not to. Nothing of substance, no infrastructure, nothing that is going to generate future wealth. Bugger.

    What is the cost of just the interest on that debt per month?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,309

    At the budget the OBR forecast £127.5 billion of borrowing the 12-month financial year ending in March. In 11 months that has already reached £132.2 billion.

    Stick another £10bn on that for final month of the year will result in £15bn blackhole.

    Don't worry reducing the expected increase in sick benefits by £5bn in five years will sort things out.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,847
    What Miliband is up to is 1) interesting and 2) optimistic.* That's in contrast with the rest of the government, which doesn't seem to have much of an idea of why they wanted to be in power and so far has had a incoherent set of policies and messaging.

    It's no surprise then than what he is doing is popular among Labour supporters, and deeply unpopular among right-wing supporters. Worth a reminder that Labour's favourability rating are dire not because they are unpopular amongst right-wing people (which is a given), but because lefties and centrist-dads are disappointed by their lethargy. Miliband is the exception.

    *That doesn't mean he is getting it right.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,712
    The Heathrow outage epitomises the vulnerability of British infrastructure. Starmer's giving it the big'un about leading Europe, replacing America and facing down Russia, and yet no-one's thought about resilient power supplies to key transport hubs.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,950
     Tells you more about LabourList than about the net favourability targets
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,128

    At the budget the OBR forecast £127.5 billion of borrowing the 12-month financial year ending in March. In 11 months that has already reached £132.2 billion.

    Stick another £10bn on that for final month of the year will result in £15bn blackhole.

    Don't worry reducing the expected increase in sick benefits by £5bn in five years will sort things out.
    The only solution to the problem was always growth....the OBR are currently briefing Rachel that growth forecasts are half what they were before the budget.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,817

    DavidL said:

    FPT

    rottenborough said:
    Guess the Heathrow fire will block out the dire news for Reeves on public borrowing.

    I said:
    Absolutely horrendous. Over £10bn deficit in February alone and this unsustainable pumping in of excess demand is doing no more than keeping the economy flat lining with no growth in sight.

    We are in a terrible mess. Debt has risen by £1trn over the last 5 years and for what? What do we actually get a return on from that unimaginably large sum of money? Many people who could afford it got help with their heating bills. Millions who could have worked got paid not to. Nothing of substance, no infrastructure, nothing that is going to generate future wealth. Bugger.

    What is the cost of just the interest on that debt per month?
    OBR:

    " in 2024-25 we expect debt interest spending to total £104.9 billion. That would represent 8.2 per cent of total public spending and is equivalent to over 3.7 per cent of national income."
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,128
    Sky saying flights to / from Asia are the most effected....guess where I am flying to.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,712
    geoffw said:

     Tells you more about LabourList than about the net favourability targets

    No it doesn't.

    What it tells you is what we discussed months ago. Labour came into office with no plans and so ministers are left complaining about civil service inertia.

    Ed Miliband walked into Whitehall with a plan and got on with it. Like him or not, and fwiw I blame him for costing Labour the 2015 election and possibly 2029 as well, but at least Miliband has actually done something.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,128

    DavidL said:

    FPT

    rottenborough said:
    Guess the Heathrow fire will block out the dire news for Reeves on public borrowing.

    I said:
    Absolutely horrendous. Over £10bn deficit in February alone and this unsustainable pumping in of excess demand is doing no more than keeping the economy flat lining with no growth in sight.

    We are in a terrible mess. Debt has risen by £1trn over the last 5 years and for what? What do we actually get a return on from that unimaginably large sum of money? Many people who could afford it got help with their heating bills. Millions who could have worked got paid not to. Nothing of substance, no infrastructure, nothing that is going to generate future wealth. Bugger.

    What is the cost of just the interest on that debt per month?
    OBR:

    " in 2024-25 we expect debt interest spending to total £104.9 billion. That would represent 8.2 per cent of total public spending and is equivalent to over 3.7 per cent of national income."
    So not short of £10bn per month and more than we spend on things like education or the benefits bill....
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,157
    edited March 21
    DavidL said:

    FPT

    rottenborough said:
    Guess the Heathrow fire will block out the dire news for Reeves on public borrowing.

    I said:
    Absolutely horrendous. Over £10bn deficit in February alone and this unsustainable pumping in of excess demand is doing no more than keeping the economy flat lining with no growth in sight.

    We are in a terrible mess. Debt has risen by £1trn over the last 5 years and for what? What do we actually get a return on from that unimaginably large sum of money? Many people who could afford it got help with their heating bills. Millions who could have worked got paid not to. Nothing of substance, no infrastructure, nothing that is going to generate future wealth. Bugger.

    This really is the big problem. I don't think people care about borrowing figures, but things seem pretty crappy even with them.

    You cannot really directly equate national finances with individual but we all know that if soneone is spending money they dont have just to keep their head above water its a very bad sign, so the temptation to equate is atrong.

    And there's no easy or quick answer. Vague 'reform' is the new magic money tree, and cutting has consequences as the amount of dead wood is smaller than many think. And we aint getting growth any time soon.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,537

    The Heathrow outage epitomises the vulnerability of British infrastructure. Starmer's giving it the big'un about leading Europe, replacing America and facing down Russia, and yet no-one's thought about resilient power supplies to key transport hubs.

    Though this was transmission not generation, so it’s a different issue from most discussion about energy vulnerability.

    Localised power generation and backup (whether eg solar and battery or gas generators) to critical infrastructure would have helped, but in most cases of critical infra that’s already in place. It seems odd LHR was dependent on one substation.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,712

    Sky saying flights to / from Asia are the most effected....guess where I am flying to.

    Inbound flights from Uruguay – are they affected? Asking for a friend.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,126
    edited March 21

    Sky saying flights to / from Asia are the most effected....guess where I am flying to.

    Affected. (You actually want the flights to be effected.)

    But sorry to hear your plans are disrupted - that's a bugger.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,128
    edited March 21
    Miliband says the backup mechanism was also effected...well that's terribly unlucky.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,174

    Expressing those results to two decimal places is spurious precision.

    Given it's just a readership poll, expressing an those results at all may be spurious precision :wink:

    (I'd be interested to see the weighting details, but whatever they've done, labour list readers probably differ to non readers in not easily measurable ways).
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,278
    Sir Lewis Hamilton is back!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,126

    Sky saying flights to / from Asia are the most effected....guess where I am flying to.

    Inbound flights from Uruguay – are they affected? Asking for a friend.
    Every cloud...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,903
    IanB2 said:

    DavidL said:

    On topic anyone who thinks Ed Miliband is the answer is asking some bloody stupid questions.

    When you're up against the Minister for Cutting Benefits, the Minister for Rising Taxes and the Minister for Long Waiting Lists, being popular as Minister for Green Energy isn't such a big achievement.
    How long does +ve news take to feed through?

    Waiting list numbers for Jan 2025 came out last week and were down by another notch over December - that is 30k, which is something but Not a Lot.

    https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-support/nhs-delivery-and-workforce/pressures/nhs-backlog-data-analysis

    IMO it's still Strategy OK, Tactics Hmmm, Communications Missing.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,098

    DavidL said:

    FPT

    rottenborough said:
    Guess the Heathrow fire will block out the dire news for Reeves on public borrowing.

    I said:
    Absolutely horrendous. Over £10bn deficit in February alone and this unsustainable pumping in of excess demand is doing no more than keeping the economy flat lining with no growth in sight.

    We are in a terrible mess. Debt has risen by £1trn over the last 5 years and for what? What do we actually get a return on from that unimaginably large sum of money? Many people who could afford it got help with their heating bills. Millions who could have worked got paid not to. Nothing of substance, no infrastructure, nothing that is going to generate future wealth. Bugger.

    What is the cost of just the interest on that debt per month?
    OBR:

    " in 2024-25 we expect debt interest spending to total £104.9 billion. That would represent 8.2 per cent of total public spending and is equivalent to over 3.7 per cent of national income."
    So not short of £10bn per month and more than we spend on things like education or the benefits bill....
    Trouble is, that money has already been borrowed and spent. It doesn't matter what the ratio of unfortunately needed to foolish spending was, it's already happened.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,537
    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    FPT

    rottenborough said:
    Guess the Heathrow fire will block out the dire news for Reeves on public borrowing.

    I said:
    Absolutely horrendous. Over £10bn deficit in February alone and this unsustainable pumping in of excess demand is doing no more than keeping the economy flat lining with no growth in sight.

    We are in a terrible mess. Debt has risen by £1trn over the last 5 years and for what? What do we actually get a return on from that unimaginably large sum of money? Many people who could afford it got help with their heating bills. Millions who could have worked got paid not to. Nothing of substance, no infrastructure, nothing that is going to generate future wealth. Bugger.

    This really is the big problem. I don't think people care about borrowing figures, but things seem pretty crappy even with them.

    You cannot really directly equate national finances with individual but we all know that if soneone is spending money they dont have just to keep their head above water its a very bad sign, so the temptation to equate is atrong.
    One reason government debt has been rising so relentlessly is that people and businesses are not spending money they have, let alone money they don’t have. Private debt has fallen relentlessly since the financial crisis.

    We are entering the Japanese demographic debt spiral. We’re older, and more asset rich, so we work less, need more health and social care, save more and spend less. As do our asset sweating industries.

    Government needs to bring back consumer booms and investment binges. Otherwise we face the fate of Japan.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Decades
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 597

    The Heathrow outage epitomises the vulnerability of British infrastructure. Starmer's giving it the big'un about leading Europe, replacing America and facing down Russia, and yet no-one's thought about resilient power supplies to key transport hubs.

    As our infrastructure has been sold off, it's not only vulnerable to foreign agents but also foreign banks (Thames Water)
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,033
    Tim ex of PB has a shortlist of who is responsible for the substation fire. His ceaseless fight against enemies of centrist dad Labour who aren’t Tories is almost impressive in a Miss Havisham kinda way.

    https://x.com/exstrategist/status/1902976271211995302?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,126

    Sir Lewis Hamilton is back!

    F1: Is this like the practice to decide who goes first in the pre-practice sprint to determine who goes first in the race, or something?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,332
    F1: interesting sprint qualifying result. I won't watch the actual sprint live (3am), might check F1 Gamer to see how it went after the fact.

    Will start writing up the pre-race tosh in the late morning or early afternoon, so the betting markets are up and I can see if anything catches my eye.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,451
    DavidL said:

    On topic anyone who thinks Ed Miliband is the answer is asking some bloody stupid questions.

    Which cabinet minister is doing most damage to the economy ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,451

    Sir Lewis Hamilton is back!

    It's a good track for him.
    I hope this kickstarts his season.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,126
    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    On topic anyone who thinks Ed Miliband is the answer is asking some bloody stupid questions.

    Which cabinet minister is doing most damage to the economy ?
    Liz Truss
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,309
    DavidL said:

    FPT

    rottenborough said:
    Guess the Heathrow fire will block out the dire news for Reeves on public borrowing.

    I said:
    Absolutely horrendous. Over £10bn deficit in February alone and this unsustainable pumping in of excess demand is doing no more than keeping the economy flat lining with no growth in sight.

    We are in a terrible mess. Debt has risen by £1trn over the last 5 years and for what? What do we actually get a return on from that unimaginably large sum of money? Many people who could afford it got help with their heating bills. Millions who could have worked got paid not to. Nothing of substance, no infrastructure, nothing that is going to generate future wealth. Bugger.

    We got higher house prices, more imported tat and extra foreign holidays.

    We have a welfare funded consumption economy.

    Welfare includes furlough money, energy subsidies, triple lock pensions, working less from home and four day weeks for five days pay.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,903

    The Heathrow outage epitomises the vulnerability of British infrastructure. Starmer's giving it the big'un about leading Europe, replacing America and facing down Russia, and yet no-one's thought about resilient power supplies to key transport hubs.

    It all sounds a bit Heath Rowbinson, doesn't it?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,950

    At the budget the OBR forecast £127.5 billion of borrowing the 12-month financial year ending in March. In 11 months that has already reached £132.2 billion.

    Stick another £10bn on that for final month of the year will result in £15bn blackhole.

    Don't worry reducing the expected increase in sick benefits by £5bn in five years will sort things out.
    The only solution to the problem was always growth....the OBR are currently briefing Rachel that growth forecasts are half what they were before the budget.
    Targeting growth is aiming for a chimera. Sustained growth can't come from the public sector, it has to occur in the private sector, and there all the government can do is create the right conditions and be patient... like a farmer

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,451

    Miliband says the backup mechanism was also effected...well that's terribly unlucky.

    He really is a bit crap.

    ...He was then pressed further if he can rule out foul play, to which he responded:

    I have no… There’s no suggestion that there is foul play.
    Adding:

    That is, I mean, the conversation I’ve had is with the National Grid, the chief executive of the National Grid, and certainly that’s what he said to me...


    So sabotage not ruled out, then.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,903

    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    On topic anyone who thinks Ed Miliband is the answer is asking some bloody stupid questions.

    Which cabinet minister is doing most damage to the economy ?
    Liz Truss
    I'd still go for George Osborne.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,278

    F1: interesting sprint qualifying result. I won't watch the actual sprint live (3am), might check F1 Gamer to see how it went after the fact.

    Will start writing up the pre-race tosh in the late morning or early afternoon, so the betting markets are up and I can see if anything catches my eye.

    Lightweight, I shall be up at 2.30 am to be ready to watch the sprint race.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,903
    FPT, and On Topic:

    ydoethur said:

    Finally. An intelligent move on school/hospital power generation:

    Schools and hospitals get £180m solar investment
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c80y2j8d92no

    It’s not nearly enough, but it’s a start.

    I cannot understand why every state school in England isn’t absolutely plastered with solar panels. Their roofs are big, frequently flat, and the overwhelming majority use very little energy outside daylight hours.

    And while the last point isn’t true of hospitals, it would still make a massive difference to their budgets.

    Plus, it would cost a fraction of the money put aside for carbon capture using a technology knows actually works.

    "This is not the first time such a project has existed - the Public Sector Decarbonisation Scheme, launched under the previous Conservative government, has been running for more than four years and distributed close to £3bn for green technologies."

    One has to wonder where the £3bn went, you would have thought it could have plastered solar panels on every school for that.
    "Public Sector" not "Schools". This solar panel stuff is an extra tranche, which has value if projects are properly ranked. It's an investment so some discipline per project will apply.

    It's all published if you ask Google. Here's an example of where the latest batch of the £3bn is going - around £243m for the year 2024-2025,2 year period, under "Phase 3c Public Sector Decarbonisation Scheme"

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/public-sector-decarbonisation-scheme-phase-3/phase-3c-public-sector-decarbonisation-scheme-grant-recipients

    The £3bn is over an extended period, and it's a really effective way of doing energy efficiency and carbon emission reduction - slow, steady and strategic. It is based afaik on the most effective way of reducing carbon and energy use, rather than alighting on things we can see or particular technologies such as solar panels. I don't know why the Tories did not shout this from the housetops; instead they went the bottom-feeding, shit-shovelling route - they had a decent record.

    For example from a previous time, my local hospital (Kings Mill, built in the 2000s) has a heating and cooling heat exchanger system in the 100 acre former reservoir across the road that gives it 5MW+ of both heating and cooling, which meets 90% of use. That saves 9,600 MWh of gas and electricity a year. That's the type of project that makes us world leading (unironically) in this area of energy use reduction. *

    That's ~£400k per annum saved if it is gas, and ~£800k per annum if it is electricity. And we still have goons out there telling us not to do this stuff, and focus on pumping more oil and gas instead. The page says £200k per annum saved, but prices go up.

    https://discoverashfield.co.uk/stories/kings-mill-reservoir-at-mill-waters

    * Fucking Sky News should do a story about *this*.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,278

    Sir Lewis Hamilton is back!

    F1: Is this like the practice to decide who goes first in the pre-practice sprint to determine who goes first in the race, or something?
    This is the qualifying for the sprint race.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,332

    F1: interesting sprint qualifying result. I won't watch the actual sprint live (3am), might check F1 Gamer to see how it went after the fact.

    Will start writing up the pre-race tosh in the late morning or early afternoon, so the betting markets are up and I can see if anything catches my eye.

    Lightweight, I shall be up at 2.30 am to be ready to watch the sprint race.
    Ha, last year I didn't watch a single sprint race, still learned enough from them for betting purposes (14/1 on Verstappen to win in Brazil).

    I got up at 3.30am for the Australian Grand Prix last week. Getting up even earlier for a pretend race to gouge money is a step too far.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,332

    Sir Lewis Hamilton is back!

    F1: Is this like the practice to decide who goes first in the pre-practice sprint to determine who goes first in the race, or something?
    This is the qualifying for the sprint race.
    It's the pretend qualifying for the pretend race.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,278

    Miliband says the backup mechanism was also effected...well that's terribly unlucky.

    I hope it is not like the IT geeks who decide to physically put the server backup next to the actual server.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,451

    F1: interesting sprint qualifying result. I won't watch the actual sprint live (3am), might check F1 Gamer to see how it went after the fact.

    Will start writing up the pre-race tosh in the late morning or early afternoon, so the betting markets are up and I can see if anything catches my eye.

    Lightweight, I shall be up at 2.30 am to be ready to watch the sprint race.
    Ha, last year I didn't watch a single sprint race, still learned enough from them for betting purposes (14/1 on Verstappen to win in Brazil).

    I got up at 3.30am for the Australian Grand Prix last week. Getting up even earlier for a pretend race to gouge money is a step too far.
    How early will you get up to gouge money ?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,110
    Nigelb said:

    Miliband says the backup mechanism was also effected...well that's terribly unlucky.

    He really is a bit crap.

    ...He was then pressed further if he can rule out foul play, to which he responded:

    I have no… There’s no suggestion that there is foul play.
    Adding:

    That is, I mean, the conversation I’ve had is with the National Grid, the chief executive of the National Grid, and certainly that’s what he said to me...


    So sabotage not ruled out, then.
    If the Russians didn't do it, then Putin will raging to know "why not?"
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,309
    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    On topic anyone who thinks Ed Miliband is the answer is asking some bloody stupid questions.

    Which cabinet minister is doing most damage to the economy ?
    Liz Truss
    I'd still go for George Osborne.
    Gordon Brown.

    The country has never recovered from his mismanagement.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,126

    Sir Lewis Hamilton is back!

    F1: Is this like the practice to decide who goes first in the pre-practice sprint to determine who goes first in the race, or something?
    This is the qualifying for the sprint race.
    It's the pretend qualifying for the pretend race.
    Just to help an F1 numpty: the result of the sprint has no effect on the grid for the actual race any more, does it?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,332
    Nigelb said:

    F1: interesting sprint qualifying result. I won't watch the actual sprint live (3am), might check F1 Gamer to see how it went after the fact.

    Will start writing up the pre-race tosh in the late morning or early afternoon, so the betting markets are up and I can see if anything catches my eye.

    Lightweight, I shall be up at 2.30 am to be ready to watch the sprint race.
    Ha, last year I didn't watch a single sprint race, still learned enough from them for betting purposes (14/1 on Verstappen to win in Brazil).

    I got up at 3.30am for the Australian Grand Prix last week. Getting up even earlier for a pretend race to gouge money is a step too far.
    How early will you get up to gouge money ?
    Earlier than if I'm the gougee.

    On a serious note, already wondering about the McLaren pole odds. They had the pace. Piastri was within a tenth and that was set with more fuel. If pace is met with skill, the race grid will be McLaren on the front row and Ferrari on the second.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,451
    edited March 21
    TimS said:

    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    FPT

    rottenborough said:
    Guess the Heathrow fire will block out the dire news for Reeves on public borrowing.

    I said:
    Absolutely horrendous. Over £10bn deficit in February alone and this unsustainable pumping in of excess demand is doing no more than keeping the economy flat lining with no growth in sight.

    We are in a terrible mess. Debt has risen by £1trn over the last 5 years and for what? What do we actually get a return on from that unimaginably large sum of money? Many people who could afford it got help with their heating bills. Millions who could have worked got paid not to. Nothing of substance, no infrastructure, nothing that is going to generate future wealth. Bugger.

    This really is the big problem. I don't think people care about borrowing figures, but things seem pretty crappy even with them.

    You cannot really directly equate national finances with individual but we all know that if soneone is spending money they dont have just to keep their head above water its a very bad sign, so the temptation to equate is atrong.
    One reason government debt has been rising so relentlessly is that people and businesses are not spending money they have, let alone money they don’t have. Private debt has fallen relentlessly since the financial crisis.

    We are entering the Japanese demographic debt spiral. We’re older, and more asset rich, so we work less, need more health and social care, save more and spend less. As do our asset sweating industries.

    Government needs to bring back consumer booms and investment binges. Otherwise we face the fate of Japan.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Decades
    I don't think consumer booms work with pensioners. Japan tested that to destruction.
    Tax might.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,278

    Sir Lewis Hamilton is back!

    F1: Is this like the practice to decide who goes first in the pre-practice sprint to determine who goes first in the race, or something?
    This is the qualifying for the sprint race.
    It's the pretend qualifying for the pretend race.
    Just to help an F1 numpty: the result of the sprint has no effect on the grid for the actual race any more, does it?
    It does not.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,903
    edited March 21
    The cost of Heathrow disruption stacks up very quickly (from previous experience working alongside NATS, when someone dug up the wrong optical fibre).

    A day lost will cost someone hundreds of millions - insurance company, power company, the airport or whoever.

    International Airlines are down ~3.5% .
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,525
    Just looking at the arrivals board, getting down those already in the air, considering there are a lot of big planes to find space for elsewhere looks like an impressive effort.

    Relatively few landing in the UK, looks like Gatwick filled up almost immediately and the odd smattering have landed at Manchester, Birmingham and Glasgow, and planes
    being landed closer to where they are.

    At least half a dozen in Shannon, one NY flight terminated at Reykjavik, a lot of Africa and Caribbean origin flights setting down in Madrid. The big airports, CDG, Amsterdam and Frankfurt taking a number of arrivals, with the odd Munich, Barcelona, Zurich.

    A lot of post 6am arrivals from the US have turned back to US airports. Some SFers have got a trip to Washington, some Chicagans are enjoying Montreal.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,126

    Miliband says the backup mechanism was also effected...well that's terribly unlucky.

    I hope it is not like the IT geeks who decide to physically put the server backup next to the actual server.
    I worded for an insurance company who felt very smug about having just moved their back-up computer hall to a separate building next door. Just before 9/11.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,157
    tlg86 said:

    On Letby, the key thing for me is that the "high ups" went into bat for her for a long time. The doctors didn't need to do anything. No one was accusing them of being rubbish at their job. They could have kept quiet.

    So the argument that Letby was a convenient scapegoat doesn't hold water.

    People can have doubts of course - but very few people on earth have reviewed all the evidence. So having doubt and equating that to that a trial should, nay, must reasonably have found reasonable doubt is a bit of a leap, as there are contrary arguments. Its being presented as a very clear miscarriage by many - given the high profile the legal process will be pushed to be activated no doubt and this can be tested.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,332

    Sir Lewis Hamilton is back!

    F1: Is this like the practice to decide who goes first in the pre-practice sprint to determine who goes first in the race, or something?
    This is the qualifying for the sprint race.
    It's the pretend qualifying for the pretend race.
    Just to help an F1 numpty: the result of the sprint has no effect on the grid for the actual race any more, does it?
    No. There's spring qualifying for the sprint race grid. Then an entirely separate qualifying for the race. Proper qualifying is 7am Saturday, the race is 7am Sunday. The sprint nonsense is 3am Saturday.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,525
    Leon is going to live out his days in Montevideo!
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,950

    Sir Lewis Hamilton is back!

    F1: Is this like the practice to decide who goes first in the pre-practice sprint to determine who goes first in the race, or something?
    This is the qualifying for the sprint race.
    It's the pretend qualifying for the pretend race.
    Just to help an F1 numpty: the result of the sprint has no effect on the grid for the actual race any more, does it?
    It never did
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,714
    edited March 21
    Labour members who follow Labour list are only a 'key demographic' is quite narrow senses. Here are three.

    They are the demographic whose activities are most likely to persuade this Tory who currently votes Labour to stop doing so.

    They are a demographic among the least likely to be interested and well informed about the relationship between wealth creation and being able to fund free stuff.

    It's a group worth being able to identify in order to keep well out of their way (as in never enter a secondary school staff room) as they can be a bit boring, though very nice.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,157
    MattW said:

    The cost of Heathrow disruption stacks up very quickly (from previous experience working alongside NATS, when someone dug up the wrong optical fibre).

    A day lost will cost someone hundreds of millions - insurance company, power company, the airport or whoever.

    International Airlines are down ~3.5% .

    At least its one problem not caused by not having a third runway i guess.

    (The runway will never happen).
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,714
    Pro_Rata said:

    Leon is going to live out his days in Montevideo!

    Reading the ending of Waugh's 'A Handful of Dust'.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,451
    Florida Department Of Education releases list of approved books,... misspelling "9th" and "12th grade",... over 60 times
    https://x.com/Roshan_Rinaldi/status/1902853709123469793

    I predict that in a decade's time, "twelth" becomes the standard US spelling.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,157
    Pro_Rata said:

    Leon is going to live out his days in Montevideo!

    He can sooth himself with a steak sandwich with a side of steak, extra steak for the road, and for a drink, a steak smoothie.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,110
    edited March 21
    Does Ed still have any ambitions to lead the party? Any suggestion he'd be any better than last time? Has he had extensive coaching on how to eat a bacon sarnie? Has he abandoned his Edstone chisel?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,257
    IT MUST HAVE BEEN THE RUSSIANS!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,976
    MattW said:

    The cost of Heathrow disruption stacks up very quickly (from previous experience working alongside NATS, when someone dug up the wrong optical fibre).

    A day lost will cost someone hundreds of millions - insurance company, power company, the airport or whoever.

    International Airlines are down ~3.5% .

    For me, a key question is why the entirety of Heathrow depends so strongly on one electricity substation. Why is there not an alternative supply?

    This makes me think there's something else that's gone bang or got damaged, as substations do require to be taken offline (though rarely) for maintenance, and they obviously use an alternative supply when that happens.
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 49
    DavidL said:

    On topic anyone who thinks Ed Miliband is the answer is asking some bloody stupid questions.

    It's great news for the prospects of both Tories and Labour. If Labour shifts left their polling will only decline more quickly.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,976
    kle4 said:

    tlg86 said:

    On Letby, the key thing for me is that the "high ups" went into bat for her for a long time. The doctors didn't need to do anything. No one was accusing them of being rubbish at their job. They could have kept quiet.

    So the argument that Letby was a convenient scapegoat doesn't hold water.

    People can have doubts of course - but very few people on earth have reviewed all the evidence. So having doubt and equating that to that a trial should, nay, must reasonably have found reasonable doubt is a bit of a leap, as there are contrary arguments. Its being presented as a very clear miscarriage by many - given the high profile the legal process will be pushed to be activated no doubt and this can be tested.
    Yet there have been plenty of miscarriages of justice in the past that people had doubts about.

    To be clear: I'm not saying that Letby is innocent. But I do have some doubts about her conviction that the "she is guilty!" people are not exactly assuaging...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,257
    Nigelb said:

    Florida Department Of Education releases list of approved books,... misspelling "9th" and "12th grade",... over 60 times
    https://x.com/Roshan_Rinaldi/status/1902853709123469793

    I predict that in a decade's time, "twelth" becomes the standard US spelling.

    "Ruining our beautiful English language!"
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,817
    China working faster on invasion plans it seems:



    ‪Shashank Joshi‬ ‪@shashj.bsky.social‬
    ·
    52s
    See also Tom Shugart and Mike Dahm's excellent paper. They write that the barges, plus other developments, "suggests the PLA may have significantly advanced its timetable to have sufficient capabilities to conduct a large-scale cross-strait operation" digital-commons.usnwc.edu/cmsi-notes/14/

    https://bsky.app/profile/shashj.bsky.social/post/3lkutnpnv5c2j
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,257

    Does Ed still have any ambitions to lead the party? Any suggestion he'd be any better than last time? Has he had extensive coaching on how to eat a bacon sarnie? Has he abandoned his Edstone chisel?

    Anybody remember Abby Tomlinson?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/11/milifan-prime-minister-ed-miliband

    "I’ll always be a Milifan. Ed was the best prime minister we never had.

    "The rightwing smear against Ed Miliband angered me. But his bravery and integrity in the face of it was an inspiration."
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,871
    edited March 21

    MattW said:

    The cost of Heathrow disruption stacks up very quickly (from previous experience working alongside NATS, when someone dug up the wrong optical fibre).

    A day lost will cost someone hundreds of millions - insurance company, power company, the airport or whoever.

    International Airlines are down ~3.5% .

    For me, a key question is why the entirety of Heathrow depends so strongly on one electricity substation. Why is there not an alternative supply?

    This makes me think there's something else that's gone bang or got damaged, as substations do require to be taken offline (though rarely) for maintenance, and they obviously use an alternative supply when that happens.
    Shouldn’t the back up be in a place that wouldn’t be directly effected by a problem elsewhere ?
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,206
    edited March 21

    MattW said:

    The cost of Heathrow disruption stacks up very quickly (from previous experience working alongside NATS, when someone dug up the wrong optical fibre).

    A day lost will cost someone hundreds of millions - insurance company, power company, the airport or whoever.

    International Airlines are down ~3.5% .

    For me, a key question is why the entirety of Heathrow depends so strongly on one electricity substation. Why is there not an alternative supply?

    This makes me think there's something else that's gone bang or got damaged, as substations do require to be taken offline (though rarely) for maintenance, and they obviously use an alternative supply when that happens.
    Mmm, if they publish a report it will be interesting reading. Sometimes there is a backup system but when you switch over to it it goes bang / fails to start / the switchover switch is busted...

    (Personally I'm just selfishly hoping they get everything fixed and running smoothly before Tuesday :smile: )
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,216
    It was not that long ago that key immigration computer systems were also housed in buildings at Heathrow
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,349
    Easy LDs hold in Mole Valley by election. I was knocking up yesterday in lovely sunshine in beautiful countryside. The Tory candidate was the councillor until the Tories got wiped out in Mole Valley and clearly had a personal vote as a number of people knocked up said they voted for her while at the same time confirming they supported the LDs.

    One said 'We are LDs, but there are an awful lot of you now and we do know her so we voted for her. Is that all right' To which I replied 'Well not really '. Made her laugh.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,817
    kjh said:

    Easy LDs hold in Mole Valley by election. I was knocking up yesterday in lovely sunshine in beautiful countryside. The Tory candidate was the councillor until the Tories got wiped out in Mole Valley and clearly had a personal vote as a number of people knocked up said they voted for her while at the same time confirming they supported the LDs.

    One said 'We are LDs, but there are an awful lot of you now and we do know her so we voted for her. Is that all right' To which I replied 'Well not really '. Made her laugh.

    Sounds a very British conversation!!!
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 49
    nico67 said:

    MattW said:

    The cost of Heathrow disruption stacks up very quickly (from previous experience working alongside NATS, when someone dug up the wrong optical fibre).

    A day lost will cost someone hundreds of millions - insurance company, power company, the airport or whoever.

    International Airlines are down ~3.5% .

    For me, a key question is why the entirety of Heathrow depends so strongly on one electricity substation. Why is there not an alternative supply?

    This makes me think there's something else that's gone bang or got damaged, as substations do require to be taken offline (though rarely) for maintenance, and they obviously use an alternative supply when that happens.
    Shouldn’t the back up be in a place that wouldn’t be directly effected by a problem elsewhere ?
    Apologies but twice this morning "effected" used when correct should be "affected" by two different posters. Didn't realise this was a difficult one.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,817
    Scott_xP said:

    It was not that long ago that key immigration computer systems were also housed in buildings at Heathrow

    There's an immigration computer system? You could have fooled me. Is it Windows 95?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,976
    pm215 said:

    MattW said:

    The cost of Heathrow disruption stacks up very quickly (from previous experience working alongside NATS, when someone dug up the wrong optical fibre).

    A day lost will cost someone hundreds of millions - insurance company, power company, the airport or whoever.

    International Airlines are down ~3.5% .

    For me, a key question is why the entirety of Heathrow depends so strongly on one electricity substation. Why is there not an alternative supply?

    This makes me think there's something else that's gone bang or got damaged, as substations do require to be taken offline (though rarely) for maintenance, and they obviously use an alternative supply when that happens.
    Mmm, if they publish a report it will be interesting reading. Sometimes there is a backup system but when you switch over to it it goes bang / fails to start / the switchover switch is busted...
    That's sadly surprisingly common. Sometimes backup redundant systems can be very hard to test, as there are risks in testing them. And if they are rarely used, they may not be as well maintained as you might expect and then they fail in surprising ways.

    Anecdotally, I know of several cases where this has happened. Including one case that destroyed three turbines at a power station after the external power supply failed. A very, very expensive failure.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,976
    nico67 said:

    MattW said:

    The cost of Heathrow disruption stacks up very quickly (from previous experience working alongside NATS, when someone dug up the wrong optical fibre).

    A day lost will cost someone hundreds of millions - insurance company, power company, the airport or whoever.

    International Airlines are down ~3.5% .

    For me, a key question is why the entirety of Heathrow depends so strongly on one electricity substation. Why is there not an alternative supply?

    This makes me think there's something else that's gone bang or got damaged, as substations do require to be taken offline (though rarely) for maintenance, and they obviously use an alternative supply when that happens.
    Shouldn’t the back up be in a place that wouldn’t be directly effected by a problem elsewhere ?
    Yes. But where do you put the switches? ;)

    These things are really hard to get right. But this whole conversation is making some assumptions, e.g. that there was a backup system...
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,084

    At the budget the OBR forecast £127.5 billion of borrowing the 12-month financial year ending in March. In 11 months that has already reached £132.2 billion.

    Stick another £10bn on that for final month of the year will result in £15bn blackhole.

    Don't worry reducing the expected increase in sick benefits by £5bn in five years will sort things out.
    I never normally came around to this view, but it’s quite clear Labour need to get serious on welfare. The 1 in 10 young people not in work stat was evidence enough. One shocker this week was some guy on LBC earning 7000k a month with his partner, and still claimed PIP of 400 quid a month each. We’ve created an expectation culture that is wildly out of control.

    And bloomin Rachel Reeves is in a never ending doom loop entirely of her own making. She needs to go
  • eekeek Posts: 29,423

    pm215 said:

    MattW said:

    The cost of Heathrow disruption stacks up very quickly (from previous experience working alongside NATS, when someone dug up the wrong optical fibre).

    A day lost will cost someone hundreds of millions - insurance company, power company, the airport or whoever.

    International Airlines are down ~3.5% .

    For me, a key question is why the entirety of Heathrow depends so strongly on one electricity substation. Why is there not an alternative supply?

    This makes me think there's something else that's gone bang or got damaged, as substations do require to be taken offline (though rarely) for maintenance, and they obviously use an alternative supply when that happens.
    Mmm, if they publish a report it will be interesting reading. Sometimes there is a backup system but when you switch over to it it goes bang / fails to start / the switchover switch is busted...
    That's sadly surprisingly common. Sometimes backup redundant systems can be very hard to test, as there are risks in testing them. And if they are rarely used, they may not be as well maintained as you might expect and then they fail in surprising ways.

    Anecdotally, I know of several cases where this has happened. Including one case that destroyed three turbines at a power station after the external power supply failed. A very, very expensive failure.
    Regular use of chaos monkey is essential to see how good your systems really are

    Granted it's hard to intentionally take part of the electrical grid down to see what happens.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,712

    Miliband says the backup mechanism was also effected...well that's terribly unlucky.

    I hope it is not like the IT geeks who decide to physically put the server backup next to the actual server.
    We once inherited a continental datacentre with separate ISP links for resilience. But then the council workmen dug up the road and hacked through the pipe carrying both ISPs' cables.
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 49
    Emily Thornbury rushing to Heathrow in a white van packed with solar panels! #MakeUKgreatagain!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,879
    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    DavidL said:

    On topic anyone who thinks Ed Miliband is the answer is asking some bloody stupid questions.

    When you're up against the Minister for Cutting Benefits, the Minister for Rising Taxes and the Minister for Long Waiting Lists, being popular as Minister for Green Energy isn't such a big achievement.
    How long does +ve news take to feed through?

    Waiting list numbers for Jan 2025 came out last week and were down by another notch over December - that is 30k, which is something but Not a Lot.

    https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-support/nhs-delivery-and-workforce/pressures/nhs-backlog-data-analysis

    IMO it's still Strategy OK, Tactics Hmmm, Communications Missing.
    True, but then a) the minister for NHS is almost never popular, per se, and b) many Labour members - who are the people polled here - don't like Streeting for his Blairite past (and present!)
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,847

    Scott_xP said:

    It was not that long ago that key immigration computer systems were also housed in buildings at Heathrow

    There's an immigration computer system? You could have fooled me. Is it Windows 95?
    Excel's row limit is 1,048,576, which is similar to the maximum immigration numbers we've add over the last few years...
  • Does Ed still have any ambitions to lead the party? Any suggestion he'd be any better than last time? Has he had extensive coaching on how to eat a bacon sarnie? Has he abandoned his Edstone chisel?

    Anybody remember Abby Tomlinson?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/11/milifan-prime-minister-ed-miliband

    "I’ll always be a Milifan. Ed was the best prime minister we never had.

    "The rightwing smear against Ed Miliband angered me. But his bravery and integrity in the face of it was an inspiration."
    She's a SPAD at Number 10 now apparently (and somewhat unsurprisingly).
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,617
    pm215 said:

    MattW said:

    The cost of Heathrow disruption stacks up very quickly (from previous experience working alongside NATS, when someone dug up the wrong optical fibre).

    A day lost will cost someone hundreds of millions - insurance company, power company, the airport or whoever.

    International Airlines are down ~3.5% .

    For me, a key question is why the entirety of Heathrow depends so strongly on one electricity substation. Why is there not an alternative supply?

    This makes me think there's something else that's gone bang or got damaged, as substations do require to be taken offline (though rarely) for maintenance, and they obviously use an alternative supply when that happens.
    Mmm, if they publish a report it will be interesting reading. Sometimes there is a backup system but when you switch over to it it goes bang / fails to start / the switchover switch is busted...

    (Personally I'm just selfishly hoping they get everything fixed and running smoothly before Tuesday :smile: )
    It's a classic with backups that if they only kick in when something happens, even with regular testing, they fail all the time.

    This is true of IT and true elsewhere.

    In the case of somewhere like Heathrow, you'd want multiple substations, a local grid distributing power for the airport (I presume there is one?) and multiple backups - batteries, generators. So the first line of backups is the excess capacity in the other substations. You regularly fire up the backup generators (was this done?). Which are very differently located to the substations. etc...

    All this costs money, of course.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,712
    pm215 said:

    MattW said:

    The cost of Heathrow disruption stacks up very quickly (from previous experience working alongside NATS, when someone dug up the wrong optical fibre).

    A day lost will cost someone hundreds of millions - insurance company, power company, the airport or whoever.

    International Airlines are down ~3.5% .

    For me, a key question is why the entirety of Heathrow depends so strongly on one electricity substation. Why is there not an alternative supply?

    This makes me think there's something else that's gone bang or got damaged, as substations do require to be taken offline (though rarely) for maintenance, and they obviously use an alternative supply when that happens.
    Mmm, if they publish a report it will be interesting reading. Sometimes there is a backup system but when you switch over to it it goes bang / fails to start / the switchover switch is busted...

    (Personally I'm just selfishly hoping they get everything fixed and running smoothly before Tuesday :smile: )
    Dimly recalling (or failing to recall) a story about an emergency generator on top of the World Trade Center failing to start because its fuel tanks had frozen solid in New York's near-Arctic winter.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,617

    Scott_xP said:

    It was not that long ago that key immigration computer systems were also housed in buildings at Heathrow

    There's an immigration computer system? You could have fooled me. Is it Windows 95?
    It's a hall full of clerks, each one with an IBM tabulation machine. Each clerk performs one function and passes it to the next. The traditional job title for the clerks is "Computers"
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,084
    pm215 said:

    MattW said:

    The cost of Heathrow disruption stacks up very quickly (from previous experience working alongside NATS, when someone dug up the wrong optical fibre).

    A day lost will cost someone hundreds of millions - insurance company, power company, the airport or whoever.

    International Airlines are down ~3.5% .

    For me, a key question is why the entirety of Heathrow depends so strongly on one electricity substation. Why is there not an alternative supply?

    This makes me think there's something else that's gone bang or got damaged, as substations do require to be taken offline (though rarely) for maintenance, and they obviously use an alternative supply when that happens.
    Mmm, if they publish a report it will be interesting reading. Sometimes there is a backup system but when you switch over to it it goes bang / fails to start / the switchover switch is busted...

    (Personally I'm just selfishly hoping they get everything fixed and running smoothly before Tuesday :smile: )
    Not that I tend to go down the conspiracy theory route - but odd that the main and backup of one of the largest airports in the world have gone up so dramatically
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,617

    MattW said:

    The cost of Heathrow disruption stacks up very quickly (from previous experience working alongside NATS, when someone dug up the wrong optical fibre).

    A day lost will cost someone hundreds of millions - insurance company, power company, the airport or whoever.

    International Airlines are down ~3.5% .

    For me, a key question is why the entirety of Heathrow depends so strongly on one electricity substation. Why is there not an alternative supply?

    This makes me think there's something else that's gone bang or got damaged, as substations do require to be taken offline (though rarely) for maintenance, and they obviously use an alternative supply when that happens.
    At a guess, the substation consists of multiple equipment sets. So some can be taken off line without shutting down Heathrow.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,712

    China working faster on invasion plans it seems:



    ‪Shashank Joshi‬ ‪@shashj.bsky.social‬
    ·
    52s
    See also Tom Shugart and Mike Dahm's excellent paper. They write that the barges, plus other developments, "suggests the PLA may have significantly advanced its timetable to have sufficient capabilities to conduct a large-scale cross-strait operation" digital-commons.usnwc.edu/cmsi-notes/14/

    https://bsky.app/profile/shashj.bsky.social/post/3lkutnpnv5c2j

    Invasion of where? There is a conspiracy theory that Siberia (formerly Outer Manchuria) is the real prize, and not just Taiwan.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,981

    Scott_xP said:

    It was not that long ago that key immigration computer systems were also housed in buildings at Heathrow

    There's an immigration computer system? You could have fooled me. Is it Windows 95?
    It's a hall full of clerks, each one with an IBM tabulation machine. Each clerk performs one function and passes it to the next. The traditional job title for the clerks is "Computers"
    Reminds me of Jack Lemon in the Apartment. A great film.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,903
    Nigelb said:

    Florida Department Of Education releases list of approved books,... misspelling "9th" and "12th grade",... over 60 times
    https://x.com/Roshan_Rinaldi/status/1902853709123469793

    I predict that in a decade's time, "twelth" becomes the standard US spelling.

    F is for Female, so DOGE cancelled it?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,617

    Scott_xP said:

    It was not that long ago that key immigration computer systems were also housed in buildings at Heathrow

    There's an immigration computer system? You could have fooled me. Is it Windows 95?
    It's a hall full of clerks, each one with an IBM tabulation machine. Each clerk performs one function and passes it to the next. The traditional job title for the clerks is "Computers"
    Reminds me of Jack Lemon in the Apartment. A great film.
    They actually did this for real, in the Manhattan Project to do the calculations for the implosion. Richard Feynman describes how they set this up, while waiting for the delivery of the first general purpose computers. Naturally, John Von Neumann was involved.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,950
    Do Reform have a plan re. the deficit/national debt? Genuine question.
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