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How important do you think the NHS is to the parties and leaders? pic.twitter.com/BCwUh9zN3g
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The Tories have four months to link a sick NHS with a sick economy - whilst painting Labour as the party of the sick economy.0
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Contrary to all the hot air generated, Europe doesn't ranking highly.0
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FPT:
The law is quite clear, if a politician is offered airtime, and chooses not to accept it, the offered airtime still counts for the purposes of a fair allocation.MarqueeMark said:
Î suspect the broadcaster's lawyers will sink the debates without Cameron, because they won't know how to satisfy their legal obligations to give equal airtime to the partiesMonksfield said:I hope the media has the balls to have the debates with a cardboard cutout of Cameron. It'd make as much sense as the real thing anyway.
Cameron is a frit clown.0 -
Of course it doesn't as I've been saying for years. The Tories ready to split themselves apart on an issue that more voters don't give a monkey's aboutTheWatcher said:Contrary to all the hot air generated, Europe doesn't ranking highly.
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FPT: I suspect the broadcaster's lawyers will sink the debates without Cameron, because they won't know how to satisfy their legal obligations to give equal airtime to the parties.0
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Kinnock had a huge lead on the NHS in 1992 too0
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This polling was before Ed Miliband's vile, disgusting and odious comment and plan to weaponise the NHS.
As the ComRes polling shows, the voters prefer Dave on the NHS to Ed.
And as someone said to me yesterday, Labour have timed this badly, you're not going to have a winter NHS crisis in April and May.0 -
Clutching at straws methink.TheScreamingEagles said:This polling was before Ed Miliband's vile, disgusting and odious comment and plan to weaponise the NHS.
As the ComRes polling shows, the voters prefer Dave on the NHS to Ed.
And as someone said to me yesterday, Labour have timed this badly, you're not going to have a winter NHS crisis in April and May.
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Dr Peter Carter needs to do at bit more overseas travel.0
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Interesting difference among voters on responsibility for health:
Those with preventable (smoking/drinking/obesity) problems should have lower priority vs everyone should get same treatment:
Con: 57/43
Lab: 38/62
LibD: 51/49
UKIP: 52/48
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/The-People-the-Parties-and-the-NHS-LORD-ASHCROFT-POLLS.pdf0 -
Not sure how we plan to "Controlling Immigration" until we have addressed the EU though.MikeSmithson said:
Of course it doesn't as I've been saying for years. The Tories ready to split themselves apart on an issue that more voters don't give a monkey's aboutTheWatcher said:Contrary to all the hot air generated, Europe doesn't ranking highly.
9% for "Protecting the Environment" does rather suggest the real limit to the Green's expectations.0 -
If the broadcasters offer a party airtime and that party declines to take up that opportunity and the broadcasters then empty chair them the broadcaster will argue they've met their obligations.MarqueeMark said:FPT: I suspect the broadcaster's lawyers will sink the debates without Cameron, because they won't know how to satisfy their legal obligations to give equal airtime to the parties.
The most interesting thing we can draw from this is that Dave and Tories are ahead in the polls and have nothing to gain and everything to lose.
Being called frit/chickens is a mere flesh wound in the grand scheme of things.0 -
It's nice to be in step with the great British public for once in finding Health Secretary Hunt to be particularly unimpressive. I'm not a great fan of Burnham either but at least he doesn't look like he's doing it as a hobby and a hobby that bores him.0
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Have you failed to notice that they've picked up some other policies that appeal to the disaffected Labour voter?Indigo said:
Not sure how we plan to "Controlling Immigration" until we have addressed the EU though.MikeSmithson said:
Of course it doesn't as I've been saying for years. The Tories ready to split themselves apart on an issue that more voters don't give a monkey's aboutTheWatcher said:Contrary to all the hot air generated, Europe doesn't ranking highly.
9% for "Protecting the Environment" does rather suggest the real limit to the Green's expectations.0 -
Apparently Osborne and BoE will be relying on the ECB using QE to have a positive effect on the UK economy. Although we are not in the Eurozone, it is thought that it will benefit the UK economy. I am not enough of an economics expert to understand why this is the case.MikeSmithson said:
Of course it doesn't as I've been saying for years. The Tories ready to split themselves apart on an issue that more voters don't give a monkey's aboutTheWatcher said:Contrary to all the hot air generated, Europe doesn't ranking highly.
I think most voters would be concerned if the UK was heading towards the EU exit door, as it could damage the UK economy. The Toriees referendum in 2017 is really to do with the split on the right side of politics about the one issue they have been moaning about for the last 40 years.
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No, because of the separate RedBox poll shown in the latter part of this:MarqueeMark said:The Tories have four months to link a sick NHS with a sick economy - whilst painting Labour as the party of the sick economy.
http://times-deck.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/projects/ef575e8837d065a1683c022d2077d342.html
(not paywalled)
There is a clear lead for spending more on public services even if it means either increasing borrowing or (especially) not having tax cuts. This is not in fact Labour policy (though Danny here argues that it should be), so it shows the public is on the left of Labour in this area (maybe that's why the Greens are doing relatively well). If the Tories decide to campaign on "Sorry about the NHS, but we need to cut spending for the economy's sake", they will sink like a stone.
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You really do only see the positive side of things in relation to the Tories.TheScreamingEagles said:
If the broadcasters offer a party airtime and that party declines to take up that opportunity and the broadcasters then empty chair them the broadcaster will argue they've met their obligations.MarqueeMark said:FPT: I suspect the broadcaster's lawyers will sink the debates without Cameron, because they won't know how to satisfy their legal obligations to give equal airtime to the parties.
The most interesting thing we can draw from this is that Dave and Tories are ahead in the polls and have nothing to gain and everything to lose.
Being called frit/chickens is a mere flesh wound in the grand scheme of things.
If Cameron avoided the leaders debates, it could do real damage to how the public see Cameron/Tories. They might not vote for someone considered a coward.0 -
They aint gonna happen this time.TheScreamingEagles said:
If the broadcasters offer a party airtime and that party declines to take up that opportunity and the broadcasters then empty chair them the broadcaster will argue they've met their obligations.MarqueeMark said:FPT: I suspect the broadcaster's lawyers will sink the debates without Cameron, because they won't know how to satisfy their legal obligations to give equal airtime to the parties.
The most interesting thing we can draw from this is that Dave and Tories are ahead in the polls and have nothing to gain and everything to lose.
Being called frit/chickens is a mere flesh wound in the grand scheme of things.0 -
Another poll highlighting the fact immigration as an issue is a load of hot air.
It has nothing to do with people's real experience and all the anxiety is based on hysterically negative press coverage.0 -
No. I had a chat with a Labour activist last night who made that observation.hucks67 said:
You really do only see the positive side of things in relation to the Tories.TheScreamingEagles said:
If the broadcasters offer a party airtime and that party declines to take up that opportunity and the broadcasters then empty chair them the broadcaster will argue they've met their obligations.MarqueeMark said:FPT: I suspect the broadcaster's lawyers will sink the debates without Cameron, because they won't know how to satisfy their legal obligations to give equal airtime to the parties.
The most interesting thing we can draw from this is that Dave and Tories are ahead in the polls and have nothing to gain and everything to lose.
Being called frit/chickens is a mere flesh wound in the grand scheme of things.
If Cameron avoided the leaders debates, it could do real damage to how the public see Cameron/Tories. They might not vote for someone considered a coward.
Did it damage Blair when he chickened out of a debate in 1997?0 -
Its behind the Paywall - but I've seen a few comments agreeing with Danny Finkelstein's argument Cameron being called names on Twitter would be less damaging than going head to head with Farage on TV.....TheScreamingEagles said:
Being called frit/chickens is a mere flesh wound in the grand scheme of things.MarqueeMark said:FPT: I suspect the broadcaster's lawyers will sink the debates without Cameron, because they won't know how to satisfy their legal obligations to give equal airtime to the parties.
Remember how we were assured that without any doubt whatsoever Cameron would absolutely, definitely, certainly positively debate Salmond.
And if he didn't everyone would laugh at him until the end of time?0 -
Here we have the problem with an economically illiterate public. They are not to the left of Labour so much as dont see a problem with endless borrowing. In an ideal world almost everyone would like to spend more on health care, some people realise there isn't a magic money tree, Labour spent 13 years telling the public there was, sadly lots of them believed it.NickPalmer said:
No, because of the separate RedBox poll shown in the latter part of this:MarqueeMark said:The Tories have four months to link a sick NHS with a sick economy - whilst painting Labour as the party of the sick economy.
http://times-deck.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/projects/ef575e8837d065a1683c022d2077d342.html
(not paywalled)
There is a clear lead for spending more on public services even if it means either increasing borrowing or (especially) not having tax cuts. This is not in fact Labour policy (though Danny here argues that it should be), so it shows the public is on the left of Labour in this area (maybe that's why the Greens are doing relatively well). If the Tories decide to campaign on "Sorry about the NHS, but we need to cut spending for the economy's sake", they will sink like a stone.0 -
@iainmartin1: The rise of smaller parties renders old TV debate structure redundant. If UKIP is in, the SNP with more seats must be in. And Greens too.
@DPJHodges: Cameron needs to be careful. His decision to duck debates could have the same disastrous impact as Tony Blair's decision to duck debates...0 -
If the NHS was that much of a problem for the Tories, then Labour should be well ahead in the polls. That they are not should be concerning for the red team.0
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That's irrelevant the Nat GOTV will win the referendum for Yes.CarlottaVance said:
Its behind the Paywall - but I've seen a few comments agreeing with Danny Finkelstein's argument Cameron being called names on Twitter would be less damaging than going head to head with Farage on TV.....TheScreamingEagles said:
Being called frit/chickens is a mere flesh wound in the grand scheme of things.MarqueeMark said:FPT: I suspect the broadcaster's lawyers will sink the debates without Cameron, because they won't know how to satisfy their legal obligations to give equal airtime to the parties.
Remember how we were assured that without any doubt whatsoever Cameron would absolutely, definitely, certainly positively debate Salmond.
And if he didn't everyone would laugh at him until the end of time?0 -
Yes, I read most of their policies, although I need to stop once or twice to wipe my eyes from the laughter. Even more so than UKIP they have the sort of policies you can only have when you have no chance of having to implement them. To paraphrase Yes Minister, half of their policies would bankrupt the country in a week, the other half would do it in a day.TheWatcher said:
Have you failed to notice that they've picked up some other policies that appeal to the disaffected Labour voter?Indigo said:
Not sure how we plan to "Controlling Immigration" until we have addressed the EU though.MikeSmithson said:
Of course it doesn't as I've been saying for years. The Tories ready to split themselves apart on an issue that more voters don't give a monkey's aboutTheWatcher said:Contrary to all the hot air generated, Europe doesn't ranking highly.
9% for "Protecting the Environment" does rather suggest the real limit to the Green's expectations.
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These ratings are the results of labour's stronger brand with regard to the NHS rather than the reality. It's clear from when they were last in office and Wales today that they simply do not have the managerial competence to run anything let alone something as big as the NHS and yet at the moment they remain favoured. Their reality doesn't match the perception which is always in the long run a weak position to be in.
I have always thought they played the NHS card too early, but I guess it's the only card they had. The tories still have time to close down the issue and then what have labour got?0 -
You might have a point if the ground rules about the debates had been settled. But they haven't - which is what Cameron is arguing about. I stand by my assessment that the broadcaster's lawyers will veto any empty chair debates.TheScreamingEagles said:
If the broadcasters offer a party airtime and that party declines to take up that opportunity and the broadcasters then empty chair them the broadcaster will argue they've met their obligations.MarqueeMark said:FPT: I suspect the broadcaster's lawyers will sink the debates without Cameron, because they won't know how to satisfy their legal obligations to give equal airtime to the parties.
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@jameschappers: Ashdown on TV debates: "Can you imagine Thatcher refusing?" Er..she concluded: 'We're not electing a president, we're choosing a government'0
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Only you could see 49% and second on the list as "all hot air", its even 5th out of 10 for Labour voters!BenM said:Another poll highlighting the fact immigration as an issue is a load of hot air.
It has nothing to do with people's real experience and all the anxiety is based on hysterically negative press coverage.
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The economy.saddo said:These ratings are the results of labour's stronger brand with regard to the NHS rather than the reality. It's clear from when they were last in office and Wales today that they simply do not have the managerial competence to run anything let alone something as big as the NHS and yet at the moment they remain favoured. Their reality doesn't match the perception which is always in the long run a weak position to be in.
I have always thought they played the NHS card too early, but I guess it's the only card they had. The tories still have time to close down the issue and then what have labour got?0 -
Most people don't vote based on immigration or the NHS. It's the economy stupid.
Re the letters from the 3 pretenders today each trying to get a debate, it's just the next turn in the haggling. Nothing more than that.0 -
I'm not convinced the debates matter very much but am puzzled by the Conservatives' reasoning, given they believe Cameron can outscore Miliband. The "equality of stature" excuse -- that it will make Miliband look as important as Cameron -- reads like old-school political consultants' evidence-free musing.Scott_P said:@iainmartin1: The rise of smaller parties renders old TV debate structure redundant. If UKIP is in, the SNP with more seats must be in. And Greens too.
@DPJHodges: Cameron needs to be careful. His decision to duck debates could have the same disastrous impact as Tony Blair's decision to duck debates...0 -
LOLBenM said:The economy.
@matthancockmp: Even more Labour chaos as they U-Turn on the only policy anyone's heard of. The melting price freeze: http://t.co/idTmvRjNsc0 -
Isnt that rather the difference between walking past you without offering you a tenner, and waving one in front of your face and then putting it back in my pocket. When Blair turned it down there hadn't been one before.TheScreamingEagles said:
No. I had a chat with a Labour activist last night who made that observation.hucks67 said:
You really do only see the positive side of things in relation to the Tories.TheScreamingEagles said:
If the broadcasters offer a party airtime and that party declines to take up that opportunity and the broadcasters then empty chair them the broadcaster will argue they've met their obligations.MarqueeMark said:FPT: I suspect the broadcaster's lawyers will sink the debates without Cameron, because they won't know how to satisfy their legal obligations to give equal airtime to the parties.
The most interesting thing we can draw from this is that Dave and Tories are ahead in the polls and have nothing to gain and everything to lose.
Being called frit/chickens is a mere flesh wound in the grand scheme of things.
If Cameron avoided the leaders debates, it could do real damage to how the public see Cameron/Tories. They might not vote for someone considered a coward.
Did it damage Blair when he chickened out of a debate in 1997?
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Surely the biggest debating point of this LibLabKip joint letter is whether it means the Kippers have joined the Westminster establishment or whether Ed has relegated himself to the company of the minor parties. ?TheScreamingEagles said:
No. I had a chat with a Labour activist last night who made that observation.hucks67 said:
You really do only see the positive side of things in relation to the Tories.TheScreamingEagles said:
If the broadcasters offer a party airtime and that party declines to take up that opportunity and the broadcasters then empty chair them the broadcaster will argue they've met their obligations.MarqueeMark said:FPT: I suspect the broadcaster's lawyers will sink the debates without Cameron, because they won't know how to satisfy their legal obligations to give equal airtime to the parties.
The most interesting thing we can draw from this is that Dave and Tories are ahead in the polls and have nothing to gain and everything to lose.
Being called frit/chickens is a mere flesh wound in the grand scheme of things.
If Cameron avoided the leaders debates, it could do real damage to how the public see Cameron/Tories. They might not vote for someone considered a coward.
Did it damage Blair when he chickened out of a debate in 1997?
Perhaps its a warm up for the rainbow coalition of left wing state control anti business parties that they will form after the election ?0 -
Undoubtedly true. Cameron is so second class compared to Farage, he daren't risk arguing head to head. He would be ripped to shreds on issue after issue, his record would fall to piece and his poor policy platform would be shown up for what it is. Conservatives on this site know this, which is why they are so supportive of him not undergoing proper scrutiny from his political opponents in front of the nation.CarlottaVance said:
Its behind the Paywall - but I've seen a few comments agreeing with Danny Finkelstein's argument Cameron being called names on Twitter would be less damaging than going head to head with Farage on TV.....TheScreamingEagles said:
Being called frit/chickens is a mere flesh wound in the grand scheme of things.MarqueeMark said:FPT: I suspect the broadcaster's lawyers will sink the debates without Cameron, because they won't know how to satisfy their legal obligations to give equal airtime to the parties.
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Nice attempt to introduce a meme that the Tories' will cut NHS spending. You should be a politician...NickPalmer said:
No, because of the separate RedBox poll shown in the latter part of this:MarqueeMark said:The Tories have four months to link a sick NHS with a sick economy - whilst painting Labour as the party of the sick economy.
http://times-deck.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/projects/ef575e8837d065a1683c022d2077d342.html
(not paywalled)
There is a clear lead for spending more on public services even if it means either increasing borrowing or (especially) not having tax cuts. This is not in fact Labour policy (though Danny here argues that it should be), so it shows the public is on the left of Labour in this area (maybe that's why the Greens are doing relatively well). If the Tories decide to campaign on "Sorry about the NHS, but we need to cut spending for the economy's sake", they will sink like a stone.
This polling was done before Andy Burnham admitted that Labour will have to revisit the scope of what the NHS provides, which has not yet been acknowledged as the game-changer it will become. SAVE THE NHS!!! (er, as long as it is only providing acute care...)
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Pure bunkum I'm afraid. Labour did not spend its term of office telling people there was a magic money tree. They won on a promise to rebuild and reform public services, partly through investing in them. The first few years they stuck to Ken Clarke's plans. All the later spending was within quite normal and acceptable levels of public borrowing.Indigo said:
Here we have the problem with an economically illiterate public. They are not to the left of Labour so much as dont see a problem with endless borrowing. In an ideal world almost everyone would like to spend more on health care, some people realise there isn't a magic money tree, Labour spent 13 years telling the public there was, sadly lots of them believed it.NickPalmer said:
No, because of the separate RedBox poll shown in the latter part of this:MarqueeMark said:The Tories have four months to link a sick NHS with a sick economy - whilst painting Labour as the party of the sick economy.
http://times-deck.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/projects/ef575e8837d065a1683c022d2077d342.html
(not paywalled)
There is a clear lead for spending more on public services even if it means either increasing borrowing or (especially) not having tax cuts. This is not in fact Labour policy (though Danny here argues that it should be), so it shows the public is on the left of Labour in this area (maybe that's why the Greens are doing relatively well). If the Tories decide to campaign on "Sorry about the NHS, but we need to cut spending for the economy's sake", they will sink like a stone.
What they failed to mention is that the UK tax base was far too heavily dependent on the City. But then again, no one else, including the Tories, mentioned this either. It was a systemic, cross-party mistake.0 -
Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband need to be careful what they wish for. Or rather, they need to careful what David Cameron wishes for. The big winner from a debate that empty chairs the Prime Minister would be the Prime Minister. Nick Clegg doesn’t need to look into the crystal ball to see what happens when he debates Nigel Farage, he can simply read the opinion polls. And if Ed Miliband intends to submit himself to the Ukip leader's tender mercies, Labour MPs in northern and southern marginals may as well start writing their concession speeches now. Without Cameron to act as a lightning rod, Miliband and Clegg will get electrocuted.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11344223/Without-David-Cameron-Nigel-Farage-will-destroy-Labour-and-the-Lib-Dems.html0 -
Did you find any polyps up there ?Socrates said:
Undoubtedly true. Cameron is so second class compared to Farage, he daren't risk arguing head to head. He would be ripped to shreds on issue after issue, his record would fall to piece and his poor policy platform would be shown up for what it is. Conservatives on this site know this, which is why they are so supportive of him not undergoing proper scrutiny from his political opponents in front of the nation.CarlottaVance said:
Its behind the Paywall - but I've seen a few comments agreeing with Danny Finkelstein's argument Cameron being called names on Twitter would be less damaging than going head to head with Farage on TV.....TheScreamingEagles said:
Being called frit/chickens is a mere flesh wound in the grand scheme of things.MarqueeMark said:FPT: I suspect the broadcaster's lawyers will sink the debates without Cameron, because they won't know how to satisfy their legal obligations to give equal airtime to the parties.
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The economy, already weakened by Osborne and the Tories, is undoubtedly getting worse.Scott_P said:
LOLBenM said:The economy.
@matthancockmp: Even more Labour chaos as they U-Turn on the only policy anyone's heard of. The melting price freeze: http://t.co/idTmvRjNsc
And no one believes any of the boastful Tory claims on it anyway. Which is why the Tories *still* trail in the polls.0 -
@mrianleslie: In what way are TV debates good for democracy? Last time people came away thinking Nick Clegg was brilliant.0
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It's the seventh highest issue facing the nation, and is currently weighing down our growth rate, preventing us from controlling immigration, adding huge pressure to the NHS, and pushing up housing costs, thus massively important for one through four.TheWatcher said:Contrary to all the hot air generated, Europe doesn't ranking highly.
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Which parts of the economy are getting worse Ben ? Unemployment ? Rising prices ? Tax take ? Personal debt as a percentage of GDP ?BenM said:
The economy, already weakened by Osborne and the Tories, is undoubtedly getting worse.Scott_P said:
LOLBenM said:The economy.
@matthancockmp: Even more Labour chaos as they U-Turn on the only policy anyone's heard of. The melting price freeze: http://t.co/idTmvRjNsc
And no one believes any of the boastful Tory claims on it anyway. Which is why the Tories *still* trail in the polls.
Specifics please.0 -
I don't see what nasal passages have to do with anything. CCHQ undoubtedly agrees with my analysis, which is why they prefer half the country thinking Cameron's a coward over him debating Farage.TheScreamingEagles said:
Did you find any polyps up there ?Socrates said:
Undoubtedly true. Cameron is so second class compared to Farage, he daren't risk arguing head to head. He would be ripped to shreds on issue after issue, his record would fall to piece and his poor policy platform would be shown up for what it is. Conservatives on this site know this, which is why they are so supportive of him not undergoing proper scrutiny from his political opponents in front of the nation.CarlottaVance said:
Its behind the Paywall - but I've seen a few comments agreeing with Danny Finkelstein's argument Cameron being called names on Twitter would be less damaging than going head to head with Farage on TV.....TheScreamingEagles said:
Being called frit/chickens is a mere flesh wound in the grand scheme of things.MarqueeMark said:FPT: I suspect the broadcaster's lawyers will sink the debates without Cameron, because they won't know how to satisfy their legal obligations to give equal airtime to the parties.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11344223/Without-David-Cameron-Nigel-Farage-will-destroy-Labour-and-the-Lib-Dems.htmlScott_P said:Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband need to be careful what they wish for. Or rather, they need to careful what David Cameron wishes for. The big winner from a debate that empty chairs the Prime Minister would be the Prime Minister. Nick Clegg doesn’t need to look into the crystal ball to see what happens when he debates Nigel Farage, he can simply read the opinion polls. And if Ed Miliband intends to submit himself to the Ukip leader's tender mercies, Labour MPs in northern and southern marginals may as well start writing their concession speeches now. Without Cameron to act as a lightning rod, Miliband and Clegg will get electrocuted.
More reasons why they are not going to happen.
One thing Hodges doesn't mention is that the above situation would mean Clegg is the only person defending every single decision of the Coalition. Good luck with that one Nick!
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I did read speculation over Christmas that UKIP might propose nationalisation of the railways.TGOHF said:
Surely the biggest debating point of this LibLabKip joint letter is whether it means the Kippers have joined the Westminster establishment or whether Ed has relegated himself to the company of the minor parties. ?TheScreamingEagles said:
No. I had a chat with a Labour activist last night who made that observation.hucks67 said:
You really do only see the positive side of things in relation to the Tories.TheScreamingEagles said:
If the broadcasters offer a party airtime and that party declines to take up that opportunity and the broadcasters then empty chair them the broadcaster will argue they've met their obligations.MarqueeMark said:FPT: I suspect the broadcaster's lawyers will sink the debates without Cameron, because they won't know how to satisfy their legal obligations to give equal airtime to the parties.
The most interesting thing we can draw from this is that Dave and Tories are ahead in the polls and have nothing to gain and everything to lose.
Being called frit/chickens is a mere flesh wound in the grand scheme of things.
If Cameron avoided the leaders debates, it could do real damage to how the public see Cameron/Tories. They might not vote for someone considered a coward.
Did it damage Blair when he chickened out of a debate in 1997?
Perhaps its a warm up for the rainbow coalition of left wing state control anti business parties that they will form after the election ?0 -
Polyos are found elsewhereSocrates said:
I don't see what nasal passages have to do with anything. CCHQ undoubtedly agrees with my analysis, which is why they prefer half the country thinking Cameron's a coward over him debating Farage.TheScreamingEagles said:
Did you find any polyps up there ?Socrates said:
Undoubtedly true. Cameron is so second class compared to Farage, he daren't risk arguing head to head. He would be ripped to shreds on issue after issue, his record would fall to piece and his poor policy platform would be shown up for what it is. Conservatives on this site know this, which is why they are so supportive of him not undergoing proper scrutiny from his political opponents in front of the nation.CarlottaVance said:
Its behind the Paywall - but I've seen a few comments agreeing with Danny Finkelstein's argument Cameron being called names on Twitter would be less damaging than going head to head with Farage on TV.....TheScreamingEagles said:
Being called frit/chickens is a mere flesh wound in the grand scheme of things.MarqueeMark said:FPT: I suspect the broadcaster's lawyers will sink the debates without Cameron, because they won't know how to satisfy their legal obligations to give equal airtime to the parties.
Has Farage published the audit of his allowance spending as he promised or is he a coward?
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It would be entertaining if the broadcasters did call their bluff and Nick and Ed then cried foul.rottenborough said:More reasons why they are not going to happen.
One thing Hodges doesn't mention is that the above situation would mean Clegg is the only person defending every single decision of the Coalition. Good luck with that one Nick!0 -
"Cameron's under attack and we don't have a good defence! Quick! Change the subject!"TheScreamingEagles said:
Polyos are found elsewhereSocrates said:
I don't see what nasal passages have to do with anything. CCHQ undoubtedly agrees with my analysis, which is why they prefer half the country thinking Cameron's a coward over him debating Farage.TheScreamingEagles said:
Did you find any polyps up there ?Socrates said:
Undoubtedly true. Cameron is so second class compared to Farage, he daren't risk arguing head to head. He would be ripped to shreds on issue after issue, his record would fall to piece and his poor policy platform would be shown up for what it is. Conservatives on this site know this, which is why they are so supportive of him not undergoing proper scrutiny from his political opponents in front of the nation.CarlottaVance said:
Its behind the Paywall - but I've seen a few comments agreeing with Danny Finkelstein's argument Cameron being called names on Twitter would be less damaging than going head to head with Farage on TV.....TheScreamingEagles said:
Being called frit/chickens is a mere flesh wound in the grand scheme of things.MarqueeMark said:FPT: I suspect the broadcaster's lawyers will sink the debates without Cameron, because they won't know how to satisfy their legal obligations to give equal airtime to the parties.
Has Farage published the audit of his allowance spending as he promised or is he a coward?0 -
sean thomas knox @thomasknox 1 min1 minute ago
Article is paywalled, but details: in 70 - SEVENTY - French schools, kids refused to honour the Hebdo dead, catcalling during minute silence0 -
I'll take that as, no Farage has not published/audited them as he promised.Socrates said:
"Cameron's under attack and we don't have a good defence! Quick! Change the subject!"TheScreamingEagles said:
Polyos are found elsewhereSocrates said:
I don't see what nasal passages have to do with anything. CCHQ undoubtedly agrees with my analysis, which is why they prefer half the country thinking Cameron's a coward over him debating Farage.TheScreamingEagles said:
Did you find any polyps up there ?Socrates said:
Undoubtedly true. Cameron is so second class compared to Farage, he daren't risk arguing head to head. He would be ripped to shreds on issue after issue, his record would fall to piece and his poor policy platform would be shown up for what it is. Conservatives on this site know this, which is why they are so supportive of him not undergoing proper scrutiny from his political opponents in front of the nation.CarlottaVance said:
Its behind the Paywall - but I've seen a few comments agreeing with Danny Finkelstein's argument Cameron being called names on Twitter would be less damaging than going head to head with Farage on TV.....TheScreamingEagles said:
Being called frit/chickens is a mere flesh wound in the grand scheme of things.MarqueeMark said:FPT: I suspect the broadcaster's lawyers will sink the debates without Cameron, because they won't know how to satisfy their legal obligations to give equal airtime to the parties.
Has Farage published the audit of his allowance spending as he promised or is he a coward?
So Farage is a liar/frit/chicken/coward.
Or perhaps he's realised that the political positives outweigh the negatives.0 -
On each question, the Conservative plinth could just have the camera on it for a minute or some such.TheScreamingEagles said:
If the broadcasters offer a party airtime and that party declines to take up that opportunity and the broadcasters then empty chair them the broadcaster will argue they've met their obligations.MarqueeMark said:FPT: I suspect the broadcaster's lawyers will sink the debates without Cameron, because they won't know how to satisfy their legal obligations to give equal airtime to the parties.
The most interesting thing we can draw from this is that Dave and Tories are ahead in the polls and have nothing to gain and everything to lose.
Being called frit/chickens is a mere flesh wound in the grand scheme of things.
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Talking of the debates, wasn't one of them supposed to be just Cameron and Miliband? How would they empty chair that?
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As Cameron has in the debates.TheScreamingEagles said:
Or perhaps he's realised that the political positives outweigh the negatives.
The reason for that? Because Cameron's record, policies and arguments would be torn to shreds by Farage. Even CCHQ and the Tory cheerleaders in the press agree.0 -
Good job you ducked our bet eh?Scott_P said:@jameschappers: Ashdown on TV debates: "Can you imagine Thatcher refusing?" Er..she concluded: 'We're not electing a president, we're choosing a government'
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Some quotes from the BBC guidelines:
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Anyone has the right to refuse to contribute to our output and it is not always necessary to mention their refusal. However, the refusal of an individual or an organisation to make a contribution should not be allowed to act as a veto on the appearance of other contributors holding different views, or on the output itself.
When our audience might reasonably expect to hear counter arguments or where an individual, viewpoint or organisation is not represented it may be appropriate to explain the absence, particularly if it would be unfair to the missing contributor not to do so. This should be done in terms that are fair. We should consider whether we can represent the missing contributor’s views based on what we already know.
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And:
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Candidates or parties declining to take part in constituency/ward reports or debates cannot, by doing so, effectively exercise a veto over such coverage.
However, this does not weaken in any way the BBC’s obligations of fairness in ensuring the audience is informed of all main strands of argument.
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the Johnstone's paint trophy debate ?Scott_P said:
It would be entertaining if the broadcasters did call their bluff and Nick and Ed then cried foul.rottenborough said:More reasons why they are not going to happen.
One thing Hodges doesn't mention is that the above situation would mean Clegg is the only person defending every single decision of the Coalition. Good luck with that one Nick!0 -
I do wonder how Sean knows that. Was someone counting? Was it one child in each school, or all the children in all the schools? I mean 70 (REPEATED IN CAPITALS: SEVENTY) is quite a lot, isn't it? That must mean the islams are taking over, mustn't it? lolz.Socrates said:sean thomas knox @thomasknox 1 min1 minute ago
Article is paywalled, but details: in 70 - SEVENTY - French schools, kids refused to honour the Hebdo dead, catcalling during minute silence
Anyway, kids will be kids. They're very astute at picking up on taboos and sticking two fingers up at authority. They're often wrong, but sometimes they have a point.
I recall reading Francis Wheen's book a while back, about the slightly absurd enforced mourning we had here following the death of Diana in '97. Definitely food for thought.
Just before I get mauled, I declare, Je Suis Charlie. Alright?0 -
Looks like Farage has 'done a Birmingham' on Fox:
http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/nigel-farage-was-on-fox-news-and-was-as-bad-as-steve-emerson--gys7U1lA9g0 -
It is the reason why a minute's silence at football matches have become a minute's applause in this country.Pong said:
I do wonder how Sean knows that. Was someone counting? Was it one child in each school, or all the children in all the schools?Socrates said:sean thomas knox @thomasknox 1 min1 minute ago
Article is paywalled, but details: in 70 - SEVENTY - French schools, kids refused to honour the Hebdo dead, catcalling during minute silence
Anyway, kids will be kids. They're very astute at picking up on taboos and sticking two fingers up at authority. They're often wrong, but sometimes they have a point.
I recall reading Francis Wheen's book a while back, about the slightly absurd enforced mourning we had here following the death of Diana in '97. Definitely food for thought.0 -
Call it Newsnight ?Stereotomy said:Talking of the debates, wasn't one of them supposed to be just Cameron and Miliband? How would they empty chair that?
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This Ashcroft poll has a 1,400 strong Scottish Sub-sample
Con 14%, Lab 24%, LD 5%, UKIP 5%, SNP 46%, Greens 4%
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7TUuBACIAEax1-.png0 -
The bit you are missing in that little flight of fancy is public spending more than doubled under Labour. A few sensible years with Ken Clarke's plans, and then a long stream of spending being urinated up the wall. Then the Tories came in, and spending is back under control again.rottenborough said:
Pure bunkum I'm afraid. Labour did not spend its term of office telling people there was a magic money tree. They won on a promise to rebuild and reform public services, partly through investing in them. The first few years they stuck to Ken Clarke's plans. All the later spending was within quite normal and acceptable levels of public borrowing.
What they failed to mention is that the UK tax base was far too heavily dependent on the City. But then again, no one else, including the Tories, mentioned this either. It was a systemic, cross-party mistake.
Year Spend
1998 318.43
1999 332.65
2000 340.80
2001 366.09
2002 389.07
2003 420.48
2004 455.07
2005 491.80
2006 523.51
2007 549.40
2008 582.23
2009 633.81
2010 673.10
2011 694.20
2012 694.39
2013 673.92
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The VI in this poll was
Con 29%, Lab 33% LD 7%, UKIP 19%, Greens 6%0 -
Hebdo would probably approve of the snub to authority.Socrates said:sean thomas knox @thomasknox 1 min1 minute ago
Article is paywalled, but details: in 70 - SEVENTY - French schools, kids refused to honour the Hebdo dead, catcalling during minute silence0 -
We might have a Tory leadership contest starting in less than 4 months time, conhome are (becoming) huge fans of Sajid Javid
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2015/01/javids-moderation-will-help-tackle-islamist-extremism-not-farages-stridency.html
He is still available at 16/10 -
2nd and 3rd Generation immigrants seem to be the most prone to radicalisation - are Kippers planning to deport them too ?TheWatcher said:
Hebdo would probably approve of the snub to authority.Socrates said:sean thomas knox @thomasknox 1 min1 minute ago
Article is paywalled, but details: in 70 - SEVENTY - French schools, kids refused to honour the Hebdo dead, catcalling during minute silence0 -
If the stuff Javid had said had come out of Farage's mouth, it would be being called extremist.TheScreamingEagles said:We might have a Tory leadership contest starting in less than 4 months time, conhome are (becoming) huge fans of Sajid Javid
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2015/01/javids-moderation-will-help-tackle-islamist-extremism-not-farages-stridency.html
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They'd probably be more gutted that Dave supports their front cover.TheWatcher said:
Hebdo would probably approve of the snub to authority.Socrates said:sean thomas knox @thomasknox 1 min1 minute ago
Article is paywalled, but details: in 70 - SEVENTY - French schools, kids refused to honour the Hebdo dead, catcalling during minute silence0 -
French education is pretty centralized, I think it all gets reported to the education ministry. See:Pong said:
I do wonder how Sean knows that. Was someone counting? Was it one child in each school, or all the children in all the schools? I mean 70 (REPEATED IN CAPITALS: SEVENTY) is quite a lot, isn't it? That must mean the islams are taking over, mustn't it? lolz.Socrates said:sean thomas knox @thomasknox 1 min1 minute ago
Article is paywalled, but details: in 70 - SEVENTY - French schools, kids refused to honour the Hebdo dead, catcalling during minute silence
Anyway, kids will be kids. They're very astute at picking up on taboos and sticking two fingers up at authority. They're often wrong, but sometimes they have a point.
I recall reading Francis Wheen's book a while back, about the slightly absurd enforced mourning we had here following the death of Diana in '97. Definitely food for thought.
Just before I get mauled, I declare, Je Suis Charlie. Alright?
http://mobile.lepoint.fr/politique/emmanuel-berretta/charlie-hebdo-minute-de-silence-perturbee-l-education-nationale-recense-70-chahuts-10-01-2015-1895466_1897.php
But yeah, depending on the scale of the disruption this may only be 700 kids nationwide, in which case the nation as a whole seems to have performed quite an impressive feat of STFU.0 -
No, Farage's tone and approach is all wrong, no wonder you're such a fan.Socrates said:
If the stuff Javid had said had come out of Farage's mouth, it would be being called extremist.TheScreamingEagles said:We might have a Tory leadership contest starting in less than 4 months time, conhome are (becoming) huge fans of Sajid Javid
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2015/01/javids-moderation-will-help-tackle-islamist-extremism-not-farages-stridency.html
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The NHS is Labour's strongest card, as this poll clearly indicates, but there has never been an election in this country where the NHS was *THE* decisive factor and I don't expect 2015 to buck that trend.
In the end the NHS could even turn into a negative for Labour insofar as they will clearly bang on about it day and night between now and May and bore everyone to death (because they don't have anything else to bang on about)
There's also the unfortunate fact that Labour themselves run the NHS in Wales which certainly isn't doing any better than the English NHS, LOL....0 -
There is very little comparison between their comments on the Hebdo massarce other than condemnation.Socrates said:
If the stuff Javid had said had come out of Farage's mouth, it would be being called extremist.TheScreamingEagles said:We might have a Tory leadership contest starting in less than 4 months time, conhome are (becoming) huge fans of Sajid Javid
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2015/01/javids-moderation-will-help-tackle-islamist-extremism-not-farages-stridency.html
He is still available at 16/10 -
The NHS needs one of those new IT systems again!
I broke my thumb on Boxing Day but I haven't gone to hospital yet, despite it being visibly broken. That's what the NHS needs, more tough, stiff-upper-lip warriors like me. Who can't take tops off Branston Pickle jars.
Hooray for the martyrs.0 -
The big fearty will be behind the sofa as usual searching for his spine.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's irrelevant the Nat GOTV will win the referendum for Yes.CarlottaVance said:
Its behind the Paywall - but I've seen a few comments agreeing with Danny Finkelstein's argument Cameron being called names on Twitter would be less damaging than going head to head with Farage on TV.....TheScreamingEagles said:
Being called frit/chickens is a mere flesh wound in the grand scheme of things.MarqueeMark said:FPT: I suspect the broadcaster's lawyers will sink the debates without Cameron, because they won't know how to satisfy their legal obligations to give equal airtime to the parties.
Remember how we were assured that without any doubt whatsoever Cameron would absolutely, definitely, certainly positively debate Salmond.
And if he didn't everyone would laugh at him until the end of time?0 -
The Daily Murphy has an interesting article today, it turns out that Jim Murphy is not a Unionist. I'm not sure how this sudden realisation on his part is going to play with the Scottish Tories he's hoping to attract;
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scottish-labour-leader-jim-murphy-4973610
I sense the hand of McTernan behind this, the new ideology, McMurphyism is starting to take shape.
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Big day today for the 45 Malc !malcolmg said:
The big fearty will be behind the sofa as usual searching for his spine.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's irrelevant the Nat GOTV will win the referendum for Yes.CarlottaVance said:
Its behind the Paywall - but I've seen a few comments agreeing with Danny Finkelstein's argument Cameron being called names on Twitter would be less damaging than going head to head with Farage on TV.....TheScreamingEagles said:
Being called frit/chickens is a mere flesh wound in the grand scheme of things.MarqueeMark said:FPT: I suspect the broadcaster's lawyers will sink the debates without Cameron, because they won't know how to satisfy their legal obligations to give equal airtime to the parties.
Remember how we were assured that without any doubt whatsoever Cameron would absolutely, definitely, certainly positively debate Salmond.
And if he didn't everyone would laugh at him until the end of time?
$45 dollars a barrel....0 -
If Jim Murphy is McMurphy, does that make Nicola Sturgeon, Nurse Ratched?calum said:The Daily Murphy has an interesting article today, it turns out that Jim Murphy is not a Unionist. I'm not sure how this sudden realisation on his part is going to play with the Scottish Tories he's hoping to attract;
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scottish-labour-leader-jim-murphy-4973610
I sense the hand of McTernan behind this, the new ideology, McMurphyism is starting to take shape.0 -
Canmeron is playing them all for fools..he is doing what he should do and that is get the best terms and that means having the Greens on board..what can they all be afraid of.?...0
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@DanHannanMEP: I'd be surprised if an empty chair didn't get the better of @Ed_Miliband in a TV debate. http://t.co/hIzu5bMFGy
@timothy_stanley: Prediction: if an empty chair is included in the debates, Ed will fall over it, Nigel will put his feet up on it & Clegg will canvas it0 -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11344223/Without-David-Cameron-Nigel-Farage-will-destroy-Labour-and-the-Lib-Dems.htmlScott_P said:Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband need to be careful what they wish for. Or rather, they need to careful what David Cameron wishes for. The big winner from a debate that empty chairs the Prime Minister would be the Prime Minister. Nick Clegg doesn’t need to look into the crystal ball to see what happens when he debates Nigel Farage, he can simply read the opinion polls. And if Ed Miliband intends to submit himself to the Ukip leader's tender mercies, Labour MPs in northern and southern marginals may as well start writing their concession speeches now. Without Cameron to act as a lightning rod, Miliband and Clegg will get electrocuted.
The other party leaders would barely address each other. they would aim and blame everything on the empty chair.0 -
If the Greens are in the debates, can we have Ska rather than Natalie?
I quite enjoyed the Euro debates, for some reason...0 -
When you say 'deport them too' you mean as well as who?TGOHF said:
2nd and 3rd Generation immigrants seem to be the most prone to radicalisation - are Kippers planning to deport them too ?TheWatcher said:
Hebdo would probably approve of the snub to authority.Socrates said:sean thomas knox @thomasknox 1 min1 minute ago
Article is paywalled, but details: in 70 - SEVENTY - French schools, kids refused to honour the Hebdo dead, catcalling during minute silence0 -
no worries for us , England will make up the difference with the famed unionist pooling and sharing. That is why the fearties accepted the bribe , they don't have to worry , given unionists were desperate to hold on to us and pick up the tab. bad for down south as they will have to make up the difference.TGOHF said:
Big day today for the 45 Malc !malcolmg said:
The big fearty will be behind the sofa as usual searching for his spine.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's irrelevant the Nat GOTV will win the referendum for Yes.CarlottaVance said:
Its behind the Paywall - but I've seen a few comments agreeing with Danny Finkelstein's argument Cameron being called names on Twitter would be less damaging than going head to head with Farage on TV.....TheScreamingEagles said:
Being called frit/chickens is a mere flesh wound in the grand scheme of things.MarqueeMark said:FPT: I suspect the broadcaster's lawyers will sink the debates without Cameron, because they won't know how to satisfy their legal obligations to give equal airtime to the parties.
Remember how we were assured that without any doubt whatsoever Cameron would absolutely, definitely, certainly positively debate Salmond.
And if he didn't everyone would laugh at him until the end of time?
$45 dollars a barrel....0 -
Wait, aren't we doing everything in terms of percentage of GDP these days?Indigo said:
The bit you are missing in that little flight of fancy is public spending more than doubled under Labour. A few sensible years with Ken Clarke's plans, and then a long stream of spending being urinated up the wall. Then the Tories came in, and spending is back under control again.rottenborough said:
Pure bunkum I'm afraid. Labour did not spend its term of office telling people there was a magic money tree. They won on a promise to rebuild and reform public services, partly through investing in them. The first few years they stuck to Ken Clarke's plans. All the later spending was within quite normal and acceptable levels of public borrowing.
What they failed to mention is that the UK tax base was far too heavily dependent on the City. But then again, no one else, including the Tories, mentioned this either. It was a systemic, cross-party mistake.
Year Spend
1998 318.43
1999 332.65
2000 340.80
2001 366.09
2002 389.07
2003 420.48
2004 455.07
2005 491.80
2006 523.51
2007 549.40
2008 582.23
2009 633.81
2010 673.10
2011 694.20
2012 694.39
2013 673.920 -
It is a laugh listening to Murphy nowadays, he is the polar opposite of what he was a few weeks ago. He was struggling on the question re leading the Scottish party whilst on the dole as well, was very nippy with Gary.calum said:The Daily Murphy has an interesting article today, it turns out that Jim Murphy is not a Unionist. I'm not sure how this sudden realisation on his part is going to play with the Scottish Tories he's hoping to attract;
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scottish-labour-leader-jim-murphy-4973610
I sense the hand of McTernan behind this, the new ideology, McMurphyism is starting to take shape.0 -
The nurses who fail the UKIP English exam?isam said:
When you say 'deport them too' you mean as well as who?TGOHF said:
2nd and 3rd Generation immigrants seem to be the most prone to radicalisation - are Kippers planning to deport them too ?TheWatcher said:
Hebdo would probably approve of the snub to authority.Socrates said:sean thomas knox @thomasknox 1 min1 minute ago
Article is paywalled, but details: in 70 - SEVENTY - French schools, kids refused to honour the Hebdo dead, catcalling during minute silence0 -
No worries Malc - you are welcome.malcolmg said:
no worries for us , England will make up the difference with the famed unionist pooling and sharing. That is why the fearties accepted the bribe , they don't have to worry , given unionists were desperate to hold on to us and pick up the tab. bad for down south as they will have to make up the difference.TGOHF said:
Big day today for the 45 Malc !malcolmg said:
The big fearty will be behind the sofa as usual searching for his spine.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's irrelevant the Nat GOTV will win the referendum for Yes.CarlottaVance said:
Its behind the Paywall - but I've seen a few comments agreeing with Danny Finkelstein's argument Cameron being called names on Twitter would be less damaging than going head to head with Farage on TV.....TheScreamingEagles said:
Being called frit/chickens is a mere flesh wound in the grand scheme of things.MarqueeMark said:FPT: I suspect the broadcaster's lawyers will sink the debates without Cameron, because they won't know how to satisfy their legal obligations to give equal airtime to the parties.
Remember how we were assured that without any doubt whatsoever Cameron would absolutely, definitely, certainly positively debate Salmond.
And if he didn't everyone would laugh at him until the end of time?
$45 dollars a barrel....0 -
Support for far-right at 20-year low if you don’t include really obvious things
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/support-for-far-right-at-20-year-low-if-you-dont-include-really-obvious-things-20150114944090 -
But you know as well as I do that's not going to happenTheWatcher said:
The nurses who fail the UKIP English exam?isam said:
When you say 'deport them too' you mean as well as who?TGOHF said:
2nd and 3rd Generation immigrants seem to be the most prone to radicalisation - are Kippers planning to deport them too ?TheWatcher said:
Hebdo would probably approve of the snub to authority.Socrates said:sean thomas knox @thomasknox 1 min1 minute ago
Article is paywalled, but details: in 70 - SEVENTY - French schools, kids refused to honour the Hebdo dead, catcalling during minute silence
So, no one then. What a great point0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
We might have a Tory leadership contest starting in less than 4 months time, conhome are (becoming) huge fans of Sajid Javid
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2015/01/javids-moderation-will-help-tackle-islamist-extremism-not-farages-stridency.html
He is still available at 16/1
Thanks, a nice tip at a nice price.TheScreamingEagles said:We might have a Tory leadership contest starting in less than 4 months time, conhome are (becoming) huge fans of Sajid Javid
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2015/01/javids-moderation-will-help-tackle-islamist-extremism-not-farages-stridency.html
He is still available at 16/10 -
As I asked a couple of days agocalum said:The Daily Murphy has an interesting article today, it turns out that Jim Murphy is not a Unionist. I'm not sure how this sudden realisation on his part is going to play with the Scottish Tories he's hoping to attract;
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scottish-labour-leader-jim-murphy-4973610
I sense the hand of McTernan behind this, the new ideology, McMurphyism is starting to take shape.
http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/discussion/comment/512155/#Comment_512155Indigo said:I was thinking of SNP/SLAB as analogous to LAB/CON in Westminster, they are both nominally staunch supporters of their wing, but both try and sidle into where the votes are. If Murphy gets slaughtered in GE2015 as looks likely, what's the game plan to get some of those voters back, its not going to fly trying to be more left wing than Sturgeon's SNP, he already is the Unionist voice to all intents so not many more votes to be made there. Is there a body of voters that might be summarised as "Well I quite like the look of Murphy and SLAB if they weren't so damn anti-independence".
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TGOHF said:
Big day today for the 45 Malc !malcolmg said:
The big fearty will be behind the sofa as usual searching for his spine.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's irrelevant the Nat GOTV will win the referendum for Yes.CarlottaVance said:
Its behind the Paywall - but I've seen a few comments agreeing with Danny Finkelstein's argument Cameron being called names on Twitter would be less damaging than going head to head with Farage on TV.....TheScreamingEagles said:
Being called frit/chickens is a mere flesh wound in the grand scheme of things.MarqueeMark said:FPT: I suspect the broadcaster's lawyers will sink the debates without Cameron, because they won't know how to satisfy their legal obligations to give equal airtime to the parties.
Remember how we were assured that without any doubt whatsoever Cameron would absolutely, definitely, certainly positively debate Salmond.
And if he didn't everyone would laugh at him until the end of time?
$45 dollars a barrel....
Oil is yesterday's news, done now.
Copper's turn to collapse now having decisively broke 6 year support at 3 USD a pound. China couldn't keep on building ghost cities for ever.0 -
Peak Kipper!TheScreamingEagles said:The VI in this poll was
Con 29%, Lab 33% LD 7%, UKIP 19%, Greens 6%0 -
Marf has done cartoon on the NHS which has been added to the header0
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What is the long term solution the establishment is proposing? Bigger and more intrusive police state, continuing open door immigration, more restrictions on free speech, perhaps a community centre or two?0
