Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
His boss has just introduced a WHITE South African open door policy. You don't need to see him goose stepping arounnd in a 1942 Hugo Boss suit to get the idea.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
He's retweeted far-right accounts promoting civil war in the UK. He was reintrointruced to Trump's canpaign by Peter Thiel, an open techno-fascist, who is the kingmaker, and also promoted fascist ideologues like Curtis Yarvin to Vance.
He was named by his father after a character in a Nazi rocket scientists novel about a benign dictator who took over Mars. I would say the signs are pretty clear.
He has been ramping Yaxley-Lennon which made me very angry. But he isn't ramping it because he supports that mindset. SYL wants to remove migrants. Musk is in America saying that migration is a good thing (which enrages many MAGA activists).
So basically your argument is he is ramping right wing people for the lols not because he agrees with their viewpoint.
While mine is that Trump is posting those item because he does agree with their viewpoint
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
He's retweeted far-right accounts promoting civil war in the UK. He was reintrointruced to Trump's canpaign by Peter Thiel, an open techno-fascist, who is the kingmaker, and also promoted fascist ideologues like Curtis Yarvin to Vance.
He was named by his father after a character in a Nazi rocket scientists novel about a benign dictator who took over Mars. I would say the signs are pretty clear.
He has been ramping Yaxley-Lennon which made me very angry. But he isn't ramping it because he supports that mindset. SYL wants to remove migrants. Musk is in America saying that migration is a good thing (which enrages many MAGA activists).
I thought Musk was saying immigration is bad in Germany and the UK? Sounds kind of mindset supporting to me.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
He's not a fascist, and I doubt he has given much time to thinking about political theory at all, but he's very interested in power.
If he's anything, then he's a plutocrat. But of a kind which didn't even exist back in the Gilded Age.
For someone who wants a separation between state and industry, he seems very keen to use his unelected political position to award himself contacts to run government functions.
Seeing lots of reports of tourists being detained by ICE in US even with valid documents. Apparently one German tourist who wanted to visit for 3 weeks has been detained for over a month!? Seems mad they won't let her in but also won't let her go home! All part of the Trump/Musk incompetence show.
Tbh I'm not sure I want to travel to the US right now. I've managed to persuade my work team that UK is a better location for us to meet next time, but due to go again in October. Maybe things will have calmed down by then.
I guess this detail wasn’t important then?
Jessica Brösche was walking from Tijuana to San Diego with her friend, Nikita Lofving, an American citizen living in Los Angeles, when she was stopped by U.S. Customs and Border Protection and accused of working in the country last time she was in the United States on a visa, KGTV reported.
I have no knowledge of this specific case - this was the first Google article
Even if true, the deal with the visa waiver program is that you can be immediately sent back on the total discretion of the border guard, not that you are placed indefinitely in solitary confinement at your expense. This is a change.
Yup, it’s the behavioural change of the US government in its actions.
Bit like tariffs by the US are not new, but the recent insanity is.
In the case of the tattoo artist, it seems that she was occasionally vacationing in the US, while putting on Facebook that she was available for booking while in the US, and bringing her equipment with her.
Under Biden (and other, previous, sane governments) they would have probably waited until she flew home, then blocked her entry.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
I wish you were right. But I think you have made an offer and paid a large deposit on Brooklyn Bridge.
This is why Musk and MAGA will suffer a catastrophic breakdown in their relationship - they stand for directly opposing things. The list of words being censored by MAGA will be exactly the thing that Musk attacks.
At the moment I think the likeliest outcome of the next general election is a Labour minority government with Labour most seats supported by the LDs and SNP.
There is a chance still of a Reform and Tory government but Farage's closeness to Trump hasn't helped that. There is also now a split in Reform between those like Farage and Anderson who are ideologically close to the ERG right of the Tories and the AfD lite wing backed by Tommy Robinson supporters who want to deport most immigrants and are fiercely anti Islam and largely back Lowe
Flattery was always something of a delusion; what Trump wants is complete subservience.
Donald Trump has 'gone cool' on Britain since King Charles welcomed Zelensky to Sandringham, diplomatic sources in Washington have claimed, - Daily Mail
Allies of the US President have made clear to UK officials in America that pictures of the King with the Ukranian leader made him feel 'less special' about the monarch's invitation for a state visit to Britain. https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1898686677201150174
If Trump refuses to come, that's Starmer's awkward position on the State Visit dealt with.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
He's retweeted far-right accounts promoting civil war in the UK. He was reintrointruced to Trump's canpaign by Peter Thiel, an open techno-fascist, who is the kingmaker, and also promoted fascist ideologues like Curtis Yarvin to Vance.
He was named by his father after a character in a Nazi rocket scientists novel about a benign dictator who took over Mars. I would say the signs are pretty clear.
He has been ramping Yaxley-Lennon which made me very angry. But he isn't ramping it because he supports that mindset. SYL wants to remove migrants. Musk is in America saying that migration is a good thing (which enrages many MAGA activists).
So basically your argument is he is ramping right wing people for the lols not because he agrees with their viewpoint.
While mine is that Trump is posting those item because he does agree with their viewpoint
My argument is that he is ramping people who he thinks have been censored - SYL, AfD etc etc. It's bloody stupid, but it isn't fascism.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
Don't Get a Tesla! There are plenty of other cars available.
and bollocks to people promoting Teslas on Youtube.
It's not really complicated. At all. You can twist yourself up in all kinds of mental bretzels and whataboutery so you don't feel so bad about yourself, but don't expect people on here not to call you out on it - and if you don't want anyone to lecture you on morality you're probably posting on the wrong forum!
Telling people to buy Teslas is fucking stupid unless you actively want the destruction of democracy and European liberal civilisation. Or maybe you just don't care enough about those things.
I can bat these away all day love.
"there are plenty of other cars available". Yep. As I say on the channel. Repeatedly. I'm not trying to tell people what to drive. Explicitly - I think they remain the best EV platform out there but I don't tell people who still drive a petrol car (like me) they are wrong or that people who get a car from another brand (like me) are wrong)
"bollocks to people promoting Teslas on YouTube" - ok. Up to you. Would it upset you to know that your view isn't the same as other people's views? But at least you aren't coming onto the channel by clicking to watch a video then by interacting with it by posting abuse, then engaging with me as I comment back. "How can you promote this" they say as by doing what they are doing they themselves are promoting it.
"whataboutery so you don't feel so bad about yourself". Don't worry, I'm not and I don't. The key learning from my 4 years as a town councillor with a political bully as Mayor is that you can't be bullied. I simply don't care what the other side think about me, so I'm not going to be annoyed or upset or cowed by them ranting.
Musk is an absolute dick. But some of the companies he used to be involved in before politics are doing some fantastic stuff. And that hasn't changed just because he's gone full dick crazy.
I have never seen your Youtube channel, and never will. It's enough to know it's called "Just Get a Tesla", combined with your misleading comments on here. Eg saying promoting Tesla isn't doesn't help Musk because "he's just the CEO and figurehead". I looked that one up too - Tesla makes up a massive chunk of Musk's total wealth.
I also wouldn't buy or promote a car from a company where Putin is the biggest shareholder, even if I thought the car itself was technologically OK, and even if I stood to make money from doing so.
And if I did promote such a car, I would fully expect to be condemned for it, even if philosophically "there are no moral absolutes"
Would you buy a Polestar? Genuine, non-attack question.
I don't know what Polestar is, but the internet suggests it's a Swedish subsidiary of a Chinese company.
I don't know enough about Polestar to say much, but in general I am not boycotting everything that has anything to do with China (nor everything that has anything to do with the US), but I am actively trying to buy European first where possible.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
He's retweeted far-right accounts promoting civil war in the UK. He was reintrointruced to Trump's canpaign by Peter Thiel, an open techno-fascist, who is the kingmaker, and also promoted fascist ideologues like Curtis Yarvin to Vance.
He was named by his father after a character in a Nazi rocket scientists novel about a benign dictator who took over Mars. I would say the signs are pretty clear.
He has been ramping Yaxley-Lennon which made me very angry. But he isn't ramping it because he supports that mindset. SYL wants to remove migrants. Musk is in America saying that migration is a good thing (which enrages many MAGA activists).
"Musk is in America saying that migration is a good thing"
No.
He is saying *some* migration is a good thing. Mainly of rich, white people. That is a very different thing from what you said.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
He's retweeted far-right accounts promoting civil war in the UK. He was reintrointruced to Trump's canpaign by Peter Thiel, an open techno-fascist, who is the kingmaker, and also promoted fascist ideologues like Curtis Yarvin to Vance.
He was named by his father after a character in a Nazi rocket scientists novel about a benign dictator who took over Mars. I would say the signs are pretty clear.
He has been ramping Yaxley-Lennon which made me very angry. But he isn't ramping it because he supports that mindset. SYL wants to remove migrants. Musk is in America saying that migration is a good thing (which enrages many MAGA activists).
So basically your argument is he is ramping right wing people for the lols not because he agrees with their viewpoint.
While mine is that Trump is posting those item because he does agree with their viewpoint
My argument is that he is ramping people who he thinks have been censored - SYL, AfD etc etc. It's bloody stupid, but it isn't fascism.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
He's not a fascist, and I doubt he has given much time to thinking about political theory at all, but he's very interested in power.
If he's anything, then he's a plutocrat. But of a kind which didn't even exist back in the Gilded Age.
For someone who wants a separation between state and industry, he seems very keen to use his unelected political position to award himself contacts to run government functions.
He believes in the supremacy of technological solutions, interplanetary travel and AI, and the tech monarchs who can achieve is.
This is roughly in line with what his father brought him up with.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
His boss has just introduced a WHITE South African open door policy. You don't need to see him goose stepping arounnd in a 1942 Hugo Boss suit to get the idea.
Sure. But Musk is eulogising a visa system where people come to America from India, much to the horror of MAGA ideologues. Trump is not Musk is not Trump, despite their current marriage of convenience.
Flattery was always something of a delusion; what Trump wants is complete subservience.
Donald Trump has 'gone cool' on Britain since King Charles welcomed Zelensky to Sandringham, diplomatic sources in Washington have claimed, - Daily Mail
Allies of the US President have made clear to UK officials in America that pictures of the King with the Ukranian leader made him feel 'less special' about the monarch's invitation for a state visit to Britain. https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1898686677201150174
I would say he's fucking toddler but that would be a terrible insult to all toddlers.
Toddlers desire absolute control of their surroundings, but vanishingly few of them have the powers of the presidency.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
His boss has just introduced a WHITE South African open door policy. You don't need to see him goose stepping arounnd in a 1942 Hugo Boss suit to get the idea.
Sure. But Musk is eulogising a visa system where people come to America from India, much to the horror of MAGA ideologues. Trump is not Musk is not Trump, despite their current marriage of convenience.
Only a relatively few people; and people carefully selected to be useful to he and his techbro friends.
Good news. Maybe the pendulum's moving faster than we thought and the good guys (and gals) are on the way back. I've been predicting a hippy revival since Trump 1 and the Marie Le Pen collapse.
You still have 4 more years to endure ( at least )
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
If I boycotted every company that I'm not happy about the ethics of, I'd have to walk around naked, eat grass and drink river water. Someone, somewhere is almost certainly getting exploited, no matter where we spend our money.
You have to be selective but don't tell me you were eating outspan oranges when Nelson was in jail?
Can *achieve this*, rather. Musk essentially believes in technological progress ahead of democracy, just like Thiel, and also the character he's named after. Anything else is somewhat self-deluding.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
Indeed they have already gone after gay people. It's partly the obsession with traditional families (see the 1950s), keeping women in the house, and more white babies - as we also see over here now.
Reportedly (AP), the photo of the Enola Gay - the plane that dropped the atom bomb - is on the Trump "scrub the Department of Defence website" list under "DEI".
The playbook is from the Loon Lobby. I did not know about the one from a decade ago where a Christian website replaced "gay" with "homosexual" and turned the sprinter Tyson Gay into Tyson Homosexual (from the Standard):
They are completely nuts. And they are serious about being nuts - which is a big part of the problem.
"Women", "female", "black", "clean energy", "Native American", "disability", "race" are also among the suppressed words. Those who went along with the anti-woke, anti-DEI stuff were frankly childishly naive - it was always about reversing civil rights all the way back to the 60s.
"Advocate" is also in there. First they came for the lawyers, and, understandably...
And also ones like "Activist" and "Sex" and "Disability" and "MSM" and "Victim" and "Women". How the f*ck do you even have rational conversations if that is banned, and you put in place a "report your colleague who does not conform to our snitch-line" system, as they have?
Anne Applebaum's conparisons with Eastern Europe under Communism and their secret police, plus the intimidation of the general population, and coming to life before our eyes. Take just the response of Trump's regime to the people critical at Town Hall meetings (what we would call something like "Meet your MP") with the voters:
1) They are paid Democrat Party agents. 2) Telling Republican representatives to deal with it by just not holding any Town Hall meetings.
I think their ineptitude and their hubris will be the downfall. It reminds me (may not be true - @Malmesbury will know) of the apocryphal British decision *not* to try and assassinate Hitler, because him being alive would do more damage to the German war effort.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
He's not a fascist, and I doubt he has given much time to thinking about political theory at all, but he's very interested in power.
If he's anything, then he's a plutocrat. But of a kind which didn't even exist back in the Gilded Age.
For someone who wants a separation between state and industry, he seems very keen to use his unelected political position to award himself contacts to run government functions.
Musk is more similar to the gangster oligarchs that surrounded Yeltsin and then Putin following the collapse of the Soviet Union than he is with anyone associated with Hitler IMO.
On the should I buy a Tesla question, I think people would be worried about what other people think of the brand and residual values, even if they are cool with Musk as a person.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
He's retweeted far-right accounts promoting civil war in the UK. He was reintrointruced to Trump's canpaign by Peter Thiel, an open techno-fascist, who is the kingmaker, and also promoted fascist ideologues like Curtis Yarvin to Vance.
He was named by his father after a character in a Nazi rocket scientists novel about a benign dictator who took over Mars. I would say the signs are pretty clear.
He has been ramping Yaxley-Lennon which made me very angry. But he isn't ramping it because he supports that mindset. SYL wants to remove migrants. Musk is in America saying that migration is a good thing (which enrages many MAGA activists).
So basically your argument is he is ramping right wing people for the lols not because he agrees with their viewpoint.
While mine is that Trump is posting those item because he does agree with their viewpoint
My argument is that he is ramping people who he thinks have been censored - SYL, AfD etc etc. It's bloody stupid, but it isn't fascism.
Do you think he gave Nazi salutes?
No, though I have been hugely entertained by the various side by side video clips. We don't even need to pull apart the mechanics of the salute and the very odd angle he was pulling vs the ramrod straight execution of the nazis doing it.
The proof that so many people offer for Musk being a fascist is those salutes. You yourself appear to have fallen back onto them as the last redoubt of an argument that falls apart under scrutiny.
Go back to my list of Musk vs Fascism positions. Discuss those point by point - those are relevant and would be whether or not a toddler moron has bounced around a stage like a 5 year old doung dodgy salutes, thumping the dias in excitement and doing absurd flag planting gestures complete with sounds.
"But he did a salute". Yeah. Harry dressed up as one. Cosplaying fascism doesn't make you actually fascist.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
Indeed they have already gone after gay people. It's partly the obsession with traditional families (see the 1950s), keeping women in the house, and more white babies - as we also see over here now.
Reportedly (AP), the photo of the Enola Gay - the plane that dropped the atom bomb - is on the Trump "scrub the Department of Defence website" list under "DEI".
The playbook is from the Loon Lobby. I did not know about the one from a decade ago where a Christian website replaced "gay" with "homosexual" and turned the sprinter Tyson Gay into Tyson Homosexual (from the Standard):
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
He's retweeted far-right accounts promoting civil war in the UK. He was reintrointruced to Trump's canpaign by Peter Thiel, an open techno-fascist, who is the kingmaker, and also promoted fascist ideologues like Curtis Yarvin to Vance.
He was named by his father after a character in a Nazi rocket scientists novel about a benign dictator who took over Mars. I would say the signs are pretty clear.
He has been ramping Yaxley-Lennon which made me very angry. But he isn't ramping it because he supports that mindset. SYL wants to remove migrants. Musk is in America saying that migration is a good thing (which enrages many MAGA activists).
Provided it isn't Muslims Musk backs migration of skilled workers
. More bollocks from you. Musk is quite happy to suspend Twitter accounts when he doesn't like what they say. He is against free speech, but likes racists and neonazis.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
His boss has just introduced a WHITE South African open door policy. You don't need to see him goose stepping arounnd in a 1942 Hugo Boss suit to get the idea.
Sure. But Musk is eulogising a visa system where people come to America from India, much to the horror of MAGA ideologues. Trump is not Musk is not Trump, despite their current marriage of convenience.
They are quite similar in their will to power, lack of empathy, cultivation of the extreme right, and dubious taste.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
His boss has just introduced a WHITE South African open door policy. You don't need to see him goose stepping arounnd in a 1942 Hugo Boss suit to get the idea.
Sure. But Musk is eulogising a visa system where people come to America from India, much to the horror of MAGA ideologues. Trump is not Musk is not Trump, despite their current marriage of convenience.
Only a relatively few people; and people carefully selected to be useful to he and his techbro friends.
Sure! So here is the direct comparison.
Did the Nazis selectively let Jews join the party and work their way up into positions of power? Does Yaxley-Lennon think that muslims should be allowed to stay here if they are doctors or senior business people?
Fascists do not want outsiders in their country. If you are advocating the merits of swarthy looking people of dubious religions coming to your country to make loads of money off working people, you're not a fascist.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
Just a reminder of 14 marks of fascism, already often posted but worth checking out from time to time. I think all 14 are somewhere in the 'work in progress' stage in the USA.
1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism.
2. Disdain for the importance of human rights.
3. Identification of enemies/scape-goats as a unifying cause.
4. The supremacy of the military/ avid militarism.
5. Rampant sexism.
6. A controlled mass media.
7. Obsession with national security.
8. Religion and ruling elite tied together.
9. Power of corporations protected.
10. Power of labour suppressed or eliminated.
11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts.
Flattery was always something of a delusion; what Trump wants is complete subservience.
Donald Trump has 'gone cool' on Britain since King Charles welcomed Zelensky to Sandringham, diplomatic sources in Washington have claimed, - Daily Mail
Allies of the US President have made clear to UK officials in America that pictures of the King with the Ukranian leader made him feel 'less special' about the monarch's invitation for a state visit to Britain. https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1898686677201150174
Much to the King's relief as most of the people of his realms hate Trump but love Zelensky
For someone who is "not a fascist", he says and does a lot of fascist things
The way people usually deflect these accusations is to say "See this item 17 on a list of things fascists do? Well he doesn't do that, therefore he is not a fascist." They ignore the dozen or more things on the list that he clearly does. It's barely worth engaging people in such arguments, they don't want to admit they might be wrong.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
He's retweeted far-right accounts promoting civil war in the UK. He was reintrointruced to Trump's canpaign by Peter Thiel, an open techno-fascist, who is the kingmaker, and also promoted fascist ideologues like Curtis Yarvin to Vance.
He was named by his father after a character in a Nazi rocket scientists novel about a benign dictator who took over Mars. I would say the signs are pretty clear.
He has been ramping Yaxley-Lennon which made me very angry. But he isn't ramping it because he supports that mindset. SYL wants to remove migrants. Musk is in America saying that migration is a good thing (which enrages many MAGA activists).
So basically your argument is he is ramping right wing people for the lols not because he agrees with their viewpoint.
While mine is that Trump is posting those item because he does agree with their viewpoint
My argument is that he is ramping people who he thinks have been censored - SYL, AfD etc etc. It's bloody stupid, but it isn't fascism.
Do you think he gave Nazi salutes?
undeniably fascist-style salutes, but arguably technically not Nazi salutes - no surprise that Musk apologists want to argue the technicality
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
Indeed they have already gone after gay people. It's partly the obsession with traditional families (see the 1950s), keeping women in the house, and more white babies - as we also see over here now.
Reportedly (AP), the photo of the Enola Gay - the plane that dropped the atom bomb - is on the Trump "scrub the Department of Defence website" list under "DEI".
The playbook is from the Loon Lobby. I did not know about the one from a decade ago where a Christian website replaced "gay" with "homosexual" and turned the sprinter Tyson Gay into Tyson Homosexual (from the Standard):
They are completely nuts. And they are serious about being nuts - which is a big part of the problem.
"Women", "female", "black", "clean energy", "Native American", "disability", "race" are also among the suppressed words. Those who went along with the anti-woke, anti-DEI stuff were frankly childishly naive - it was always about reversing civil rights all the way back to the 60s.
"Advocate" is also in there. First they came for the lawyers, and, understandably...
And also ones like "Activist" and "Sex" and "Disability" and "MSM" and "Victim" and "Women". How the f*ck do you even have rational conversations if that is banned, and you put in place a "report your colleague who does not conform to our snitch-line" system, as they have?
Anne Applebaum's conparisons with Eastern Europe under Communism and their secret police, plus the intimidation of the general population, and coming to life before our eyes. Take just the response of Trump's regime to the people critical at Town Hall meetings (what we would call something like "Meet your MP") with the voters:
1) They are paid Democrat Party agents. 2) Telling Republican representatives to deal with it by just not holding any Town Hall meetings.
I think their ineptitude and their hubris will be the downfall. It reminds me (may not be true - @Malmesbury will know) of the apocryphal British decision *not* to try and assassinate Hitler, because him being alive would do more damage to the German war effort.
MAGA are trying to build a "Christian" theocracy. And just like in the fictional Gilead most of the leaders of this theocracy won't believe in it's teachings one bit.
I've got various Agent Smiths attacking me this morning as if I matter, but its all a distraction from the horrors that MAGA are trying to build in Murica.
I don't see Reformers going back to Labour - though obviously if they stay home it would help Labour.
Clearly they need to get their shit sorted out, and finding ever more inventive ways to discredit Rupert Lowe is an awful look that won't cut it.
Machiavalli said (I paraphrase) that if you can't completely destroy your enemy, don't attack them. It was an awful error to 'wound' Lowe's career with what look to be a series of half-baked allegations, leaving him resentful and on the warpath. There's lots of youthful energy in Reform it seems, but very little sage wisdom. Placating Lowe was really the only way forward. The same goes for any of the five MPs really. And now Nigel needs to eat humble pie and patch it up.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
Don't Get a Tesla! There are plenty of other cars available.
and bollocks to people promoting Teslas on Youtube.
It's not really complicated. At all. You can twist yourself up in all kinds of mental bretzels and whataboutery so you don't feel so bad about yourself, but don't expect people on here not to call you out on it - and if you don't want anyone to lecture you on morality you're probably posting on the wrong forum!
Telling people to buy Teslas is fucking stupid unless you actively want the destruction of democracy and European liberal civilisation. Or maybe you just don't care enough about those things.
I can bat these away all day love.
"there are plenty of other cars available". Yep. As I say on the channel. Repeatedly. I'm not trying to tell people what to drive. Explicitly - I think they remain the best EV platform out there but I don't tell people who still drive a petrol car (like me) they are wrong or that people who get a car from another brand (like me) are wrong)
"bollocks to people promoting Teslas on YouTube" - ok. Up to you. Would it upset you to know that your view isn't the same as other people's views? But at least you aren't coming onto the channel by clicking to watch a video then by interacting with it by posting abuse, then engaging with me as I comment back. "How can you promote this" they say as by doing what they are doing they themselves are promoting it.
"whataboutery so you don't feel so bad about yourself". Don't worry, I'm not and I don't. The key learning from my 4 years as a town councillor with a political bully as Mayor is that you can't be bullied. I simply don't care what the other side think about me, so I'm not going to be annoyed or upset or cowed by them ranting.
Musk is an absolute dick. But some of the companies he used to be involved in before politics are doing some fantastic stuff. And that hasn't changed just because he's gone full dick crazy.
I have never seen your Youtube channel, and never will. It's enough to know it's called "Just Get a Tesla", combined with your misleading comments on here. Eg saying promoting Tesla isn't doesn't help Musk because "he's just the CEO and figurehead". I looked that one up too - Tesla makes up a massive chunk of Musk's total wealth.
I also wouldn't buy or promote a car from a company where Putin is the biggest shareholder, even if I thought the car itself was technologically OK, and even if I stood to make money from doing so.
And if I did promote such a car, I would fully expect to be condemned for it, even if philosophically "there are no moral absolutes"
Would you buy a Polestar? Genuine, non-attack question.
I don't know what Polestar is, but the internet suggests it's a Swedish subsidiary of a Chinese company.
I don't know enough about Polestar to say much, but in general I am not boycotting everything that has anything to do with China (nor everything that has anything to do with the US), but I am actively trying to buy European first where possible.
That’s not quite right it’s a Chinese company with a facade to make it look Swedish.
Now the cars are rather good but I suspect EVs are very much of a muchness and I want something smaller so I’m way more likely to look at a Renault or Kia
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
Don't Get a Tesla! There are plenty of other cars available.
and bollocks to people promoting Teslas on Youtube.
It's not really complicated. At all. You can twist yourself up in all kinds of mental bretzels and whataboutery so you don't feel so bad about yourself, but don't expect people on here not to call you out on it - and if you don't want anyone to lecture you on morality you're probably posting on the wrong forum!
Telling people to buy Teslas is fucking stupid unless you actively want the destruction of democracy and European liberal civilisation. Or maybe you just don't care enough about those things.
I can bat these away all day love.
"there are plenty of other cars available". Yep. As I say on the channel. Repeatedly. I'm not trying to tell people what to drive. Explicitly - I think they remain the best EV platform out there but I don't tell people who still drive a petrol car (like me) they are wrong or that people who get a car from another brand (like me) are wrong)
"bollocks to people promoting Teslas on YouTube" - ok. Up to you. Would it upset you to know that your view isn't the same as other people's views? But at least you aren't coming onto the channel by clicking to watch a video then by interacting with it by posting abuse, then engaging with me as I comment back. "How can you promote this" they say as by doing what they are doing they themselves are promoting it.
"whataboutery so you don't feel so bad about yourself". Don't worry, I'm not and I don't. The key learning from my 4 years as a town councillor with a political bully as Mayor is that you can't be bullied. I simply don't care what the other side think about me, so I'm not going to be annoyed or upset or cowed by them ranting.
Musk is an absolute dick. But some of the companies he used to be involved in before politics are doing some fantastic stuff. And that hasn't changed just because he's gone full dick crazy.
I have never seen your Youtube channel, and never will. It's enough to know it's called "Just Get a Tesla", combined with your misleading comments on here. Eg saying promoting Tesla isn't doesn't help Musk because "he's just the CEO and figurehead". I looked that one up too - Tesla makes up a massive chunk of Musk's total wealth.
I also wouldn't buy or promote a car from a company where Putin is the biggest shareholder, even if I thought the car itself was technologically OK, and even if I stood to make money from doing so.
And if I did promote such a car, I would fully expect to be condemned for it, even if philosophically "there are no moral absolutes"
Would you buy a Polestar? Genuine, non-attack question.
I don't know what Polestar is, but the internet suggests it's a Swedish subsidiary of a Chinese company.
I don't know enough about Polestar to say much, but in general I am not boycotting everything that has anything to do with China (nor everything that has anything to do with the US), but I am actively trying to buy European first where possible.
I don't see Reformers going back to Labour - though obviously if they stay home it would help Labour.
Clearly they need to get their shit sorted out, and finding ever more inventive ways to discredit Rupert Lowe is an awful look that won't cut it.
Machiavalli said (I paraphrase) that if you can't completely destroy your enemy, don't attack them. It was an awful error to 'wound' Lowe's career with what look to be a series of half-baked allegations, leaving him resentful and on the warpath. There's lots of youthful energy in Reform it seems, but very little sage wisdom. Placating Lowe was really the only way forward. The same goes for any of the five MPs really. And now Nigel needs to eat humble pie and patch it up.
When the immigration figures come down some voters will return to Labour. Whether it will be enough remains to be seen.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
He's retweeted far-right accounts promoting civil war in the UK. He was reintrointruced to Trump's canpaign by Peter Thiel, an open techno-fascist, who is the kingmaker, and also promoted fascist ideologues like Curtis Yarvin to Vance.
He was named by his father after a character in a Nazi rocket scientists novel about a benign dictator who took over Mars. I would say the signs are pretty clear.
He has been ramping Yaxley-Lennon which made me very angry. But he isn't ramping it because he supports that mindset. SYL wants to remove migrants. Musk is in America saying that migration is a good thing (which enrages many MAGA activists).
Provided it isn't Muslims Musk backs migration of skilled workers
There's a parallel people haven't noticed. Von Braun was very happy to use Jewish workers to build his rockets, and Von Braun is the man who created The Elon in his novel.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
Indeed they have already gone after gay people. It's partly the obsession with traditional families (see the 1950s), keeping women in the house, and more white babies - as we also see over here now.
Reportedly (AP), the photo of the Enola Gay - the plane that dropped the atom bomb - is on the Trump "scrub the Department of Defence website" list under "DEI".
The playbook is from the Loon Lobby. I did not know about the one from a decade ago where a Christian website replaced "gay" with "homosexual" and turned the sprinter Tyson Gay into Tyson Homosexual (from the Standard):
They are completely nuts. And they are serious about being nuts - which is a big part of the problem.
"Women", "female", "black", "clean energy", "Native American", "disability", "race" are also among the suppressed words. Those who went along with the anti-woke, anti-DEI stuff were frankly childishly naive - it was always about reversing civil rights all the way back to the 60s.
"Advocate" is also in there. First they came for the lawyers, and, understandably...
And also ones like "Activist" and "Sex" and "Disability" and "MSM" and "Victim" and "Women". How the f*ck do you even have rational conversations if that is banned, and you put in place a "report your colleague who does not conform to our snitch-line" system, as they have?
Anne Applebaum's conparisons with Eastern Europe under Communism and their secret police, plus the intimidation of the general population, and coming to life before our eyes. Take just the response of Trump's regime to the people critical at Town Hall meetings (what we would call something like "Meet your MP") with the voters:
1) They are paid Democrat Party agents. 2) Telling Republican representatives to deal with it by just not holding any Town Hall meetings.
I think their ineptitude and their hubris will be the downfall. It reminds me (may not be true - @Malmesbury will know) of the apocryphal British decision *not* to try and assassinate Hitler, because him being alive would do more damage to the German war effort.
I don't see Reformers going back to Labour - though obviously if they stay home it would help Labour.
Clearly they need to get their shit sorted out, and finding ever more inventive ways to discredit Rupert Lowe is an awful look that won't cut it.
Machiavalli said (I paraphrase) that if you can't completely destroy your enemy, don't attack them. It was an awful error to 'wound' Lowe's career with what look to be a series of half-baked allegations, leaving him resentful and on the warpath. There's lots of youthful energy in Reform it seems, but very little sage wisdom. Placating Lowe was really the only way forward. The same goes for any of the five MPs really. And now Nigel needs to eat humble pie and patch it up.
Going back to Labour? The vast majority are either non-voters or former Conservatives. That's why the take that Reform's collapse is good for Labour are wrong. Overall, tafter aking into account the complexities of distributions across the country and flows between the parties, I think it nets out as a bad thing.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
He's retweeted far-right accounts promoting civil war in the UK. He was reintrointruced to Trump's canpaign by Peter Thiel, an open techno-fascist, who is the kingmaker, and also promoted fascist ideologues like Curtis Yarvin to Vance.
He was named by his father after a character in a Nazi rocket scientists novel about a benign dictator who took over Mars. I would say the signs are pretty clear.
He has been ramping Yaxley-Lennon which made me very angry. But he isn't ramping it because he supports that mindset. SYL wants to remove migrants. Musk is in America saying that migration is a good thing (which enrages many MAGA activists).
So basically your argument is he is ramping right wing people for the lols not because he agrees with their viewpoint.
While mine is that Trump is posting those item because he does agree with their viewpoint
My argument is that he is ramping people who he thinks have been censored - SYL, AfD etc etc. It's bloody stupid, but it isn't fascism.
Do you think he gave Nazi salutes?
No, though I have been hugely entertained by the various side by side video clips. We don't even need to pull apart the mechanics of the salute and the very odd angle he was pulling vs the ramrod straight execution of the nazis doing it.
The proof that so many people offer for Musk being a fascist is those salutes. You yourself appear to have fallen back onto them as the last redoubt of an argument that falls apart under scrutiny.
Go back to my list of Musk vs Fascism positions. Discuss those point by point - those are relevant and would be whether or not a toddler moron has bounced around a stage like a 5 year old doung dodgy salutes, thumping the dias in excitement and doing absurd flag planting gestures complete with sounds.
"But he did a salute". Yeah. Harry dressed up as one. Cosplaying fascism doesn't make you actually fascist.
Interestingly I think Musk is a fascist - or maybe proro-fascist is a better description given he hasn't really got going yet. But I think the salute is entirely irrelevant and misleading. Far more important are Algakirk's list of 14 indicators, most of which I think Trump and Musk are ticking to a greater or lesser degree.
So the salute argument is pointless and ultimately wrong. You can find lots of examples of people we know are not fascists doing similar salutes and of course there are plenty of examples of people who we would happily class as fascists who have never been photographed making salutes. So it is rather daft to concentrate on this one irrelevant action.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
Don't Get a Tesla! There are plenty of other cars available.
and bollocks to people promoting Teslas on Youtube.
It's not really complicated. At all. You can twist yourself up in all kinds of mental bretzels and whataboutery so you don't feel so bad about yourself, but don't expect people on here not to call you out on it - and if you don't want anyone to lecture you on morality you're probably posting on the wrong forum!
Telling people to buy Teslas is fucking stupid unless you actively want the destruction of democracy and European liberal civilisation. Or maybe you just don't care enough about those things.
I can bat these away all day love.
"there are plenty of other cars available". Yep. As I say on the channel. Repeatedly. I'm not trying to tell people what to drive. Explicitly - I think they remain the best EV platform out there but I don't tell people who still drive a petrol car (like me) they are wrong or that people who get a car from another brand (like me) are wrong)
"bollocks to people promoting Teslas on YouTube" - ok. Up to you. Would it upset you to know that your view isn't the same as other people's views? But at least you aren't coming onto the channel by clicking to watch a video then by interacting with it by posting abuse, then engaging with me as I comment back. "How can you promote this" they say as by doing what they are doing they themselves are promoting it.
"whataboutery so you don't feel so bad about yourself". Don't worry, I'm not and I don't. The key learning from my 4 years as a town councillor with a political bully as Mayor is that you can't be bullied. I simply don't care what the other side think about me, so I'm not going to be annoyed or upset or cowed by them ranting.
Musk is an absolute dick. But some of the companies he used to be involved in before politics are doing some fantastic stuff. And that hasn't changed just because he's gone full dick crazy.
I have never seen your Youtube channel, and never will. It's enough to know it's called "Just Get a Tesla", combined with your misleading comments on here. Eg saying promoting Tesla isn't doesn't help Musk because "he's just the CEO and figurehead". I looked that one up too - Tesla makes up a massive chunk of Musk's total wealth.
I also wouldn't buy or promote a car from a company where Putin is the biggest shareholder, even if I thought the car itself was technologically OK, and even if I stood to make money from doing so.
And if I did promote such a car, I would fully expect to be condemned for it, even if philosophically "there are no moral absolutes"
Would you buy a Polestar? Genuine, non-attack question.
I don't know what Polestar is, but the internet suggests it's a Swedish subsidiary of a Chinese company.
I don't know enough about Polestar to say much, but in general I am not boycotting everything that has anything to do with China (nor everything that has anything to do with the US), but I am actively trying to buy European first where possible.
His wikipedia article is carefully anodyne, but he is a full on supporter of Xi and has er... ties to the Uyghur situation.
then no. not that I'm about to buy a car anyway, but I'd rather support a European company. And when I say European I include the UK but exclude Russia, for the avoidance of doubt.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
He's retweeted far-right accounts promoting civil war in the UK. He was reintrointruced to Trump's canpaign by Peter Thiel, an open techno-fascist, who is the kingmaker, and also promoted fascist ideologues like Curtis Yarvin to Vance.
He was named by his father after a character in a Nazi rocket scientists novel about a benign dictator who took over Mars. I would say the signs are pretty clear.
He has been ramping Yaxley-Lennon which made me very angry. But he isn't ramping it because he supports that mindset. SYL wants to remove migrants. Musk is in America saying that migration is a good thing (which enrages many MAGA activists).
So basically your argument is he is ramping right wing people for the lols not because he agrees with their viewpoint.
While mine is that Trump is posting those item because he does agree with their viewpoint
My argument is that he is ramping people who he thinks have been censored - SYL, AfD etc etc. It's bloody stupid, but it isn't fascism.
Do you think he gave Nazi salutes?
No, though I have been hugely entertained by the various side by side video clips. We don't even need to pull apart the mechanics of the salute and the very odd angle he was pulling vs the ramrod straight execution of the nazis doing it.
The proof that so many people offer for Musk being a fascist is those salutes. You yourself appear to have fallen back onto them as the last redoubt of an argument that falls apart under scrutiny.
Go back to my list of Musk vs Fascism positions. Discuss those point by point - those are relevant and would be whether or not a toddler moron has bounced around a stage like a 5 year old doung dodgy salutes, thumping the dias in excitement and doing absurd flag planting gestures complete with sounds.
"But he did a salute". Yeah. Harry dressed up as one. Cosplaying fascism doesn't make you actually fascist.
Don't be a fool. Musk knew what he was doing with that salute, and knew how it would be taken, and who it would appeal to. You don't care.
And BTW, I have not been headlining on "Musk is a fascist'. As I've said before, I don't think he or Trump are, at least yet. But they increasingly exhibit many traits of fascism, at least at a low level, and are getting worse. I'm also of the view that because of its nebulous definitions, fascism isn't a very useful term. What Trump/Musk becomes will probably gain a different definition.
But whatever we do call it, it is clear that Musk's worldview is a terrible and dangerous one.
But that's okay in your mind, because you like the products that make him his money.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
He's retweeted far-right accounts promoting civil war in the UK. He was reintrointruced to Trump's canpaign by Peter Thiel, an open techno-fascist, who is the kingmaker, and also promoted fascist ideologues like Curtis Yarvin to Vance.
He was named by his father after a character in a Nazi rocket scientists novel about a benign dictator who took over Mars. I would say the signs are pretty clear.
He has been ramping Yaxley-Lennon which made me very angry. But he isn't ramping it because he supports that mindset. SYL wants to remove migrants. Musk is in America saying that migration is a good thing (which enrages many MAGA activists).
So basically your argument is he is ramping right wing people for the lols not because he agrees with their viewpoint.
While mine is that Trump is posting those item because he does agree with their viewpoint
My argument is that he is ramping people who he thinks have been censored - SYL, AfD etc etc. It's bloody stupid, but it isn't fascism.
Do you think he gave Nazi salutes?
No, though I have been hugely entertained by the various side by side video clips. We don't even need to pull apart the mechanics of the salute and the very odd angle he was pulling vs the ramrod straight execution of the nazis doing it.
The proof that so many people offer for Musk being a fascist is those salutes. You yourself appear to have fallen back onto them as the last redoubt of an argument that falls apart under scrutiny.
Go back to my list of Musk vs Fascism positions. Discuss those point by point - those are relevant and would be whether or not a toddler moron has bounced around a stage like a 5 year old doung dodgy salutes, thumping the dias in excitement and doing absurd flag planting gestures complete with sounds.
"But he did a salute". Yeah. Harry dressed up as one. Cosplaying fascism doesn't make you actually fascist.
Interestingly I think Musk is a fascist - or maybe proro-fascist is a better description given he hasn't really got going yet. But I think the salute is entirely irrelevant and misleading. Far more important are Algakirk's list of 14 indicators, most of which I think Trump and Musk are ticking to a greater or lesser degree.
So the salute argument is pointless and ultimately wrong. You can find lots of examples of people we know are not fascists doing similar salutes and of course there are plenty of examples of people who we would happily class as fascists who have never been photographed making salutes. So it is rather daft to concentrate on this one irrelevant action.
Tree cover and cuttings would also be interesting cases, given some of the connectivity problems I've seen people have.
I can’t see how an argument about welfare can go badly for Labour. They are the LABOUR party, they represent people in work.
Every time they have one of these arguments, they make Sir Keir look less on the side of the left which frankly is probably better for his image. I remember these same people saying that expelling Corbyn would alienate the left. All it did was enhance his image as “not Corbyn”.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
His boss has just introduced a WHITE South African open door policy. You don't need to see him goose stepping arounnd in a 1942 Hugo Boss suit to get the idea.
Though partly due to a new ANC law to remove some white farmers from their farms and not always with compensation
Flattery was always something of a delusion; what Trump wants is complete subservience.
Donald Trump has 'gone cool' on Britain since King Charles welcomed Zelensky to Sandringham, diplomatic sources in Washington have claimed, - Daily Mail
Allies of the US President have made clear to UK officials in America that pictures of the King with the Ukranian leader made him feel 'less special' about the monarch's invitation for a state visit to Britain. https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1898686677201150174
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
Don't Get a Tesla! There are plenty of other cars available.
and bollocks to people promoting Teslas on Youtube.
It's not really complicated. At all. You can twist yourself up in all kinds of mental bretzels and whataboutery so you don't feel so bad about yourself, but don't expect people on here not to call you out on it - and if you don't want anyone to lecture you on morality you're probably posting on the wrong forum!
Telling people to buy Teslas is fucking stupid unless you actively want the destruction of democracy and European liberal civilisation. Or maybe you just don't care enough about those things.
I can bat these away all day love.
"there are plenty of other cars available". Yep. As I say on the channel. Repeatedly. I'm not trying to tell people what to drive. Explicitly - I think they remain the best EV platform out there but I don't tell people who still drive a petrol car (like me) they are wrong or that people who get a car from another brand (like me) are wrong)
"bollocks to people promoting Teslas on YouTube" - ok. Up to you. Would it upset you to know that your view isn't the same as other people's views? But at least you aren't coming onto the channel by clicking to watch a video then by interacting with it by posting abuse, then engaging with me as I comment back. "How can you promote this" they say as by doing what they are doing they themselves are promoting it.
"whataboutery so you don't feel so bad about yourself". Don't worry, I'm not and I don't. The key learning from my 4 years as a town councillor with a political bully as Mayor is that you can't be bullied. I simply don't care what the other side think about me, so I'm not going to be annoyed or upset or cowed by them ranting.
Musk is an absolute dick. But some of the companies he used to be involved in before politics are doing some fantastic stuff. And that hasn't changed just because he's gone full dick crazy.
I have never seen your Youtube channel, and never will. It's enough to know it's called "Just Get a Tesla", combined with your misleading comments on here. Eg saying promoting Tesla isn't doesn't help Musk because "he's just the CEO and figurehead". I looked that one up too - Tesla makes up a massive chunk of Musk's total wealth.
I also wouldn't buy or promote a car from a company where Putin is the biggest shareholder, even if I thought the car itself was technologically OK, and even if I stood to make money from doing so.
And if I did promote such a car, I would fully expect to be condemned for it, even if philosophically "there are no moral absolutes"
Would you buy a Polestar? Genuine, non-attack question.
I don't know what Polestar is, but the internet suggests it's a Swedish subsidiary of a Chinese company.
I don't know enough about Polestar to say much, but in general I am not boycotting everything that has anything to do with China (nor everything that has anything to do with the US), but I am actively trying to buy European first where possible.
His wikipedia article is carefully anodyne, but he is a full on supporter of Xi and has er... ties to the Uyghur situation.
Geely is Li Shufu, and that means a direct tie to Xi and all that that entails.
But he isn't Musk, so there's definitely no moral issue. As I have had posted several times by people railing against Tesla!
And it isn't just Polestar. Lovely Swedish safe centrist dad Volvo Cars. Owned by Geely. Lotus. Owned by Geely. London Electric Vehicle Company. Owned by Geely.
You see that black cab you've just taken in London? You've just put money into the pockets of the guy who is a member of the equivalent of the Chinese parliament, literally writing policy proposals for Xi. You Bad Man you.
I don't see Reformers going back to Labour - though obviously if they stay home it would help Labour.
Clearly they need to get their shit sorted out, and finding ever more inventive ways to discredit Rupert Lowe is an awful look that won't cut it.
Machiavalli said (I paraphrase) that if you can't completely destroy your enemy, don't attack them. It was an awful error to 'wound' Lowe's career with what look to be a series of half-baked allegations, leaving him resentful and on the warpath. There's lots of youthful energy in Reform it seems, but very little sage wisdom. Placating Lowe was really the only way forward. The same goes for any of the five MPs really. And now Nigel needs to eat humble pie and patch it up.
Going back to Labour? The vast majority are either non-voters or former Conservatives. That's why the take that Reform's collapse is good for Labour are wrong, IMO. I think it's bad news.
Depends where you are - I expect a lot of them round here are disillusioned voters who trend towards Labour when things are going well but have been lending their voters to any protest party likely to win - which is why Redcar has had Labour/ lib dem and Tory mps over the past 15 years
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
He's retweeted far-right accounts promoting civil war in the UK. He was reintrointruced to Trump's canpaign by Peter Thiel, an open techno-fascist, who is the kingmaker, and also promoted fascist ideologues like Curtis Yarvin to Vance.
He was named by his father after a character in a Nazi rocket scientists novel about a benign dictator who took over Mars. I would say the signs are pretty clear.
He has been ramping Yaxley-Lennon which made me very angry. But he isn't ramping it because he supports that mindset. SYL wants to remove migrants. Musk is in America saying that migration is a good thing (which enrages many MAGA activists).
So basically your argument is he is ramping right wing people for the lols not because he agrees with their viewpoint.
While mine is that Trump is posting those item because he does agree with their viewpoint
My argument is that he is ramping people who he thinks have been censored - SYL, AfD etc etc. It's bloody stupid, but it isn't fascism.
Do you think he gave Nazi salutes?
No, though I have been hugely entertained by the various side by side video clips. We don't even need to pull apart the mechanics of the salute and the very odd angle he was pulling vs the ramrod straight execution of the nazis doing it.
The proof that so many people offer for Musk being a fascist is those salutes. You yourself appear to have fallen back onto them as the last redoubt of an argument that falls apart under scrutiny.
Go back to my list of Musk vs Fascism positions. Discuss those point by point - those are relevant and would be whether or not a toddler moron has bounced around a stage like a 5 year old doung dodgy salutes, thumping the dias in excitement and doing absurd flag planting gestures complete with sounds.
"But he did a salute". Yeah. Harry dressed up as one. Cosplaying fascism doesn't make you actually fascist.
Interestingly I think Musk is a fascist - or maybe proro-fascist is a better description given he hasn't really got going yet. But I think the salute is entirely irrelevant and misleading. Far more important are Algakirk's list of 14 indicators, most of which I think Trump and Musk are ticking to a greater or lesser degree.
So the salute argument is pointless and ultimately wrong. You can find lots of examples of people we know are not fascists doing similar salutes and of course there are plenty of examples of people who we would happily class as fascists who have never been photographed making salutes. So it is rather daft to concentrate on this one irrelevant action.
I actually disagree with you on both counts. I don't think he is a fascist, although as you say, he is showing many of the signs. But the history books will probably classify him as something different; though still bad.
And IMV he knew very well what he was doing when he did that salute. And it was done to send messages, and to appeal to certain people. That's the difference from an idiot throwing out a random salute.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
He's retweeted far-right accounts promoting civil war in the UK. He was reintrointruced to Trump's canpaign by Peter Thiel, an open techno-fascist, who is the kingmaker, and also promoted fascist ideologues like Curtis Yarvin to Vance.
He was named by his father after a character in a Nazi rocket scientists novel about a benign dictator who took over Mars. I would say the signs are pretty clear.
He has been ramping Yaxley-Lennon which made me very angry. But he isn't ramping it because he supports that mindset. SYL wants to remove migrants. Musk is in America saying that migration is a good thing (which enrages many MAGA activists).
So basically your argument is he is ramping right wing people for the lols not because he agrees with their viewpoint.
While mine is that Trump is posting those item because he does agree with their viewpoint
My argument is that he is ramping people who he thinks have been censored - SYL, AfD etc etc. It's bloody stupid, but it isn't fascism.
Do you think he gave Nazi salutes?
No, though I have been hugely entertained by the various side by side video clips. We don't even need to pull apart the mechanics of the salute and the very odd angle he was pulling vs the ramrod straight execution of the nazis doing it.
The proof that so many people offer for Musk being a fascist is those salutes. You yourself appear to have fallen back onto them as the last redoubt of an argument that falls apart under scrutiny.
Go back to my list of Musk vs Fascism positions. Discuss those point by point - those are relevant and would be whether or not a toddler moron has bounced around a stage like a 5 year old doung dodgy salutes, thumping the dias in excitement and doing absurd flag planting gestures complete with sounds.
"But he did a salute". Yeah. Harry dressed up as one. Cosplaying fascism doesn't make you actually fascist.
I think that labels (fascist, communist, anarchist, etc.) are only useful for people giving a casual glance at someone. Nearly everyone is more nuanced that a straightforward party programme. It's sufficient to say that Musk's policy preferences are alarmingly extreme for a close adviser to the President.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
He's retweeted far-right accounts promoting civil war in the UK. He was reintrointruced to Trump's canpaign by Peter Thiel, an open techno-fascist, who is the kingmaker, and also promoted fascist ideologues like Curtis Yarvin to Vance.
He was named by his father after a character in a Nazi rocket scientists novel about a benign dictator who took over Mars. I would say the signs are pretty clear.
He has been ramping Yaxley-Lennon which made me very angry. But he isn't ramping it because he supports that mindset. SYL wants to remove migrants. Musk is in America saying that migration is a good thing (which enrages many MAGA activists).
So basically your argument is he is ramping right wing people for the lols not because he agrees with their viewpoint.
While mine is that Trump is posting those item because he does agree with their viewpoint
My argument is that he is ramping people who he thinks have been censored - SYL, AfD etc etc. It's bloody stupid, but it isn't fascism.
Do you think he gave Nazi salutes?
No, though I have been hugely entertained by the various side by side video clips. We don't even need to pull apart the mechanics of the salute and the very odd angle he was pulling vs the ramrod straight execution of the nazis doing it.
The proof that so many people offer for Musk being a fascist is those salutes. You yourself appear to have fallen back onto them as the last redoubt of an argument that falls apart under scrutiny.
Go back to my list of Musk vs Fascism positions. Discuss those point by point - those are relevant and would be whether or not a toddler moron has bounced around a stage like a 5 year old doung dodgy salutes, thumping the dias in excitement and doing absurd flag planting gestures complete with sounds.
"But he did a salute". Yeah. Harry dressed up as one. Cosplaying fascism doesn't make you actually fascist.
Interestingly I think Musk is a fascist - or maybe proro-fascist is a better description given he hasn't really got going yet. But I think the salute is entirely irrelevant and misleading. Far more important are Algakirk's list of 14 indicators, most of which I think Trump and Musk are ticking to a greater or lesser degree.
So the salute argument is pointless and ultimately wrong. You can find lots of examples of people we know are not fascists doing similar salutes and of course there are plenty of examples of people who we would happily class as fascists who have never been photographed making salutes. So it is rather daft to concentrate on this one irrelevant action.
I can follow your argument but, taking a step back, the Nazi salute can hardly be taken as neutral as to whether Musk is a fascist or not. It's at the very least a teensy bit fascist.
I don't see Reformers going back to Labour - though obviously if they stay home it would help Labour.
Clearly they need to get their shit sorted out, and finding ever more inventive ways to discredit Rupert Lowe is an awful look that won't cut it.
Machiavalli said (I paraphrase) that if you can't completely destroy your enemy, don't attack them. It was an awful error to 'wound' Lowe's career with what look to be a series of half-baked allegations, leaving him resentful and on the warpath. There's lots of youthful energy in Reform it seems, but very little sage wisdom. Placating Lowe was really the only way forward. The same goes for any of the five MPs really. And now Nigel needs to eat humble pie and patch it up.
Going back to Labour? The vast majority are either non-voters or former Conservatives. That's why the take that Reform's collapse is good for Labour are wrong. Overall, tafter aking into account the complexities of distributions across the country and flows between the parties, I think it nets out as a bad thing.
I think this is probably correct. I had fallen into the trap of starting to think that a large proportion of the new Refrom vote was ex Labour but the latest data I can find from the end of January from Yougov shows that 33% of those who voted Tory in 2024 are now voting Reform compared with 9% of those who voted Labour and 8% who voted Lib Dem.
Obviously that is only those who have changed to reform since the last election but I see no reason to think this is not reflective of the overall makeup of Reform voters.
I can’t see how an argument about welfare can go badly for Labour. They are the LABOUR party, they represent people in work.
Every time they have one of these arguments, they make Sir Keir look less on the side of the left which frankly is probably better for his image. I remember these same people saying that expelling Corbyn would alienate the left. All it did was enhance his image as “not Corbyn”.
Which got him a 1% increase in Corbyn's 2019 vote share and 6% less than Corbyn's 2017 voteshare.
It was the split on the right between Tories and Reform that got Starmer his landslide and cutting welfare too much could send more leftwingers from Labour to the Greens
Here's one that came up at the weekend concerning the US Govt:
US Department of Justice writes to Georgetown University saying that it will not consider any of their law graduates for jobs (ie will bin the applications) because the curriculum contains "DEI" content.
DOJ says it won’t hire Georgetown Law Students because DOJ has “reliably” heard that Georgetown “continues to teach and promote DEI.” DOJ tells Georgetown “no applicant” who is a student at a school “that continues to teach and utilize DEI will be considered.” Putin does this. https://x.com/JoinTheUnionUS/status/1898071649787826581
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
He's retweeted far-right accounts promoting civil war in the UK. He was reintrointruced to Trump's canpaign by Peter Thiel, an open techno-fascist, who is the kingmaker, and also promoted fascist ideologues like Curtis Yarvin to Vance.
He was named by his father after a character in a Nazi rocket scientists novel about a benign dictator who took over Mars. I would say the signs are pretty clear.
He has been ramping Yaxley-Lennon which made me very angry. But he isn't ramping it because he supports that mindset. SYL wants to remove migrants. Musk is in America saying that migration is a good thing (which enrages many MAGA activists).
So basically your argument is he is ramping right wing people for the lols not because he agrees with their viewpoint.
While mine is that Trump is posting those item because he does agree with their viewpoint
My argument is that he is ramping people who he thinks have been censored - SYL, AfD etc etc. It's bloody stupid, but it isn't fascism.
Do you think he gave Nazi salutes?
No, though I have been hugely entertained by the various side by side video clips. We don't even need to pull apart the mechanics of the salute and the very odd angle he was pulling vs the ramrod straight execution of the nazis doing it.
The proof that so many people offer for Musk being a fascist is those salutes. You yourself appear to have fallen back onto them as the last redoubt of an argument that falls apart under scrutiny.
Go back to my list of Musk vs Fascism positions. Discuss those point by point - those are relevant and would be whether or not a toddler moron has bounced around a stage like a 5 year old doung dodgy salutes, thumping the dias in excitement and doing absurd flag planting gestures complete with sounds.
"But he did a salute". Yeah. Harry dressed up as one. Cosplaying fascism doesn't make you actually fascist.
Interestingly I think Musk is a fascist - or maybe proro-fascist is a better description given he hasn't really got going yet. But I think the salute is entirely irrelevant and misleading. Far more important are Algakirk's list of 14 indicators, most of which I think Trump and Musk are ticking to a greater or lesser degree.
So the salute argument is pointless and ultimately wrong. You can find lots of examples of people we know are not fascists doing similar salutes and of course there are plenty of examples of people who we would happily class as fascists who have never been photographed making salutes. So it is rather daft to concentrate on this one irrelevant action.
I can follow your argument but, taking a step back, the Nazi salute can hardly be taken as neutral as to whether Musk is a fascist or not. It's at the very least a teensy bit fascist.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
He's retweeted far-right accounts promoting civil war in the UK. He was reintrointruced to Trump's canpaign by Peter Thiel, an open techno-fascist, who is the kingmaker, and also promoted fascist ideologues like Curtis Yarvin to Vance.
He was named by his father after a character in a Nazi rocket scientists novel about a benign dictator who took over Mars. I would say the signs are pretty clear.
He has been ramping Yaxley-Lennon which made me very angry. But he isn't ramping it because he supports that mindset. SYL wants to remove migrants. Musk is in America saying that migration is a good thing (which enrages many MAGA activists).
So basically your argument is he is ramping right wing people for the lols not because he agrees with their viewpoint.
While mine is that Trump is posting those item because he does agree with their viewpoint
My argument is that he is ramping people who he thinks have been censored - SYL, AfD etc etc. It's bloody stupid, but it isn't fascism.
Do you think he gave Nazi salutes?
No, though I have been hugely entertained by the various side by side video clips. We don't even need to pull apart the mechanics of the salute and the very odd angle he was pulling vs the ramrod straight execution of the nazis doing it.
The proof that so many people offer for Musk being a fascist is those salutes. You yourself appear to have fallen back onto them as the last redoubt of an argument that falls apart under scrutiny.
Go back to my list of Musk vs Fascism positions. Discuss those point by point - those are relevant and would be whether or not a toddler moron has bounced around a stage like a 5 year old doung dodgy salutes, thumping the dias in excitement and doing absurd flag planting gestures complete with sounds.
"But he did a salute". Yeah. Harry dressed up as one. Cosplaying fascism doesn't make you actually fascist.
Interestingly I think Musk is a fascist - or maybe proro-fascist is a better description given he hasn't really got going yet. But I think the salute is entirely irrelevant and misleading. Far more important are Algakirk's list of 14 indicators, most of which I think Trump and Musk are ticking to a greater or lesser degree.
So the salute argument is pointless and ultimately wrong. You can find lots of examples of people we know are not fascists doing similar salutes and of course there are plenty of examples of people who we would happily class as fascists who have never been photographed making salutes. So it is rather daft to concentrate on this one irrelevant action.
I can follow your argument but, taking a step back, the Nazi salute can hardly be taken as neutral as to whether Musk is a fascist or not. It's at the very least a teensy bit fascist.
I think that depends on whether you think it was an intentional Nazi salute or just something that looked like it. As I said, there were plenty of examples being touted of other people doing similar salutes/gestures who were not even considered to be related to anything Nazi because of who was doing it.
I think the salute thing is just reinforcement activity by observers - I think Musk is a Nazi therefore this must have been a Nazi salute
@Malmesbury as you’ve conceded, Starlink will stop working as soon as a train goes through a tunnel/cutting.
Therefore for continuous connectivity they are going to have to supply trackside DAS or similar anyway.
This issue will end up being a non-starter and will end up being replaced long term by the 4G/5G trackside solution when it’s rolled out country-wide.
There is no replacement for that. Network Rail have accepted that. Apparently ScotRail are too dumb.
I don't know if you followed the end of the discussion last night - the trains ScotRail are using it from are in the remoter areas of Scotland, where the line will have been constructed for minimal cuttings and tunnels. And there is probably much less track side infrastructure.
The overall point is that Starlink does work for many users. The whole point (apart from military use), is that by the time you add up a few percent of remote locations, planes, ships (and some trains), mobile users, backhaul for 4/5g etc, the world wide value of the market is many, many billions.
Which brings us to an interesting point. On many occasions, countries have said that "we are going to stop depending on X". On many fewer occasions, do they actually do so.
We can try and claim that Starlink doesn't work. And actually end up using it - it's in the process of rolling out on every airline in Europe, for example.
Or we can build a competitor.
In the case of Tesla, many countries around the world boast of how many high capacity, public chargers have been installed. Then you look at the how many are Tesla chargers.
Which means that we need to actually build a decent, inter-compatible network of chargers that actually work, and take payments easily, and don't charge rip-off prices.
This all goes against the Can't Doism of the Process State. But that is exactly where Musk comes from - when the system abdicates provision, that doesn't mean everyone sits with nicely folded hands.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
Don't Get a Tesla! There are plenty of other cars available.
and bollocks to people promoting Teslas on Youtube.
It's not really complicated. At all. You can twist yourself up in all kinds of mental bretzels and whataboutery so you don't feel so bad about yourself, but don't expect people on here not to call you out on it - and if you don't want anyone to lecture you on morality you're probably posting on the wrong forum!
Telling people to buy Teslas is fucking stupid unless you actively want the destruction of democracy and European liberal civilisation. Or maybe you just don't care enough about those things.
I can bat these away all day love.
"there are plenty of other cars available". Yep. As I say on the channel. Repeatedly. I'm not trying to tell people what to drive. Explicitly - I think they remain the best EV platform out there but I don't tell people who still drive a petrol car (like me) they are wrong or that people who get a car from another brand (like me) are wrong)
"bollocks to people promoting Teslas on YouTube" - ok. Up to you. Would it upset you to know that your view isn't the same as other people's views? But at least you aren't coming onto the channel by clicking to watch a video then by interacting with it by posting abuse, then engaging with me as I comment back. "How can you promote this" they say as by doing what they are doing they themselves are promoting it.
"whataboutery so you don't feel so bad about yourself". Don't worry, I'm not and I don't. The key learning from my 4 years as a town councillor with a political bully as Mayor is that you can't be bullied. I simply don't care what the other side think about me, so I'm not going to be annoyed or upset or cowed by them ranting.
Musk is an absolute dick. But some of the companies he used to be involved in before politics are doing some fantastic stuff. And that hasn't changed just because he's gone full dick crazy.
I have never seen your Youtube channel, and never will. It's enough to know it's called "Just Get a Tesla", combined with your misleading comments on here. Eg saying promoting Tesla isn't doesn't help Musk because "he's just the CEO and figurehead". I looked that one up too - Tesla makes up a massive chunk of Musk's total wealth.
I also wouldn't buy or promote a car from a company where Putin is the biggest shareholder, even if I thought the car itself was technologically OK, and even if I stood to make money from doing so.
And if I did promote such a car, I would fully expect to be condemned for it, even if philosophically "there are no moral absolutes"
Would you buy a Polestar? Genuine, non-attack question.
I don't know what Polestar is, but the internet suggests it's a Swedish subsidiary of a Chinese company.
I don't know enough about Polestar to say much, but in general I am not boycotting everything that has anything to do with China (nor everything that has anything to do with the US), but I am actively trying to buy European first where possible.
His wikipedia article is carefully anodyne, but he is a full on supporter of Xi and has er... ties to the Uyghur situation.
Geely is Li Shufu, and that means a direct tie to Xi and all that that entails.
But he isn't Musk, so there's definitely no moral issue. As I have had posted several times by people railing against Tesla!
And it isn't just Polestar. Lovely Swedish safe centrist dad Volvo Cars. Owned by Geely. Lotus. Owned by Geely. London Electric Vehicle Company. Owned by Geely.
You see that black cab you've just taken in London? You've just put money into the pockets of the guy who is a member of the equivalent of the Chinese parliament, literally writing policy proposals for Xi. You Bad Man you.
So paying money to a London Taxi driver who happens to have a London Taxi directly puts money into the hands of the Chinese Government.
Just wanting to make you 100% aware of how stupid your post above is
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
His boss has just introduced a WHITE South African open door policy. You don't need to see him goose stepping arounnd in a 1942 Hugo Boss suit to get the idea.
Sure. But Musk is eulogising a visa system where people come to America from India, much to the horror of MAGA ideologues. Trump is not Musk is not Trump, despite their current marriage of convenience.
Only a relatively few people; and people carefully selected to be useful to he and his techbro friends.
Sure! So here is the direct comparison.
Did the Nazis selectively let Jews join the party and work their way up into positions of power? Does Yaxley-Lennon think that muslims should be allowed to stay here if they are doctors or senior business people?
Fascists do not want outsiders in their country. If you are advocating the merits of swarthy looking people of dubious religions coming to your country to make loads of money off working people, you're not a fascist.
The Nazis evolved during their time in power; they got worse. Who knows where Musk/Trump will end up politically?
If your argument is that anyone who is not Yaxley-Lennon is fine, then you're being silly. Musk wants immigration of a very small subset of people; either because they are like him (e.g. white South Africans), or because they are of use to him (engineers who will depress the pay of existing engineers).
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
Indeed they have already gone after gay people. It's partly the obsession with traditional families (see the 1950s), keeping women in the house, and more white babies - as we also see over here now.
Reportedly (AP), the photo of the Enola Gay - the plane that dropped the atom bomb - is on the Trump "scrub the Department of Defence website" list under "DEI".
The playbook is from the Loon Lobby. I did not know about the one from a decade ago where a Christian website replaced "gay" with "homosexual" and turned the sprinter Tyson Gay into Tyson Homosexual (from the Standard):
They are completely nuts. And they are serious about being nuts - which is a big part of the problem.
"Women", "female", "black", "clean energy", "Native American", "disability", "race" are also among the suppressed words. Those who went along with the anti-woke, anti-DEI stuff were frankly childishly naive - it was always about reversing civil rights all the way back to the 60s.
"Advocate" is also in there. First they came for the lawyers, and, understandably...
And also ones like "Activist" and "Sex" and "Disability" and "MSM" and "Victim" and "Women". How the f*ck do you even have rational conversations if that is banned, and you put in place a "report your colleague who does not conform to our snitch-line" system, as they have?
Anne Applebaum's conparisons with Eastern Europe under Communism and their secret police, plus the intimidation of the general population, and coming to life before our eyes. Take just the response of Trump's regime to the people critical at Town Hall meetings (what we would call something like "Meet your MP") with the voters:
1) They are paid Democrat Party agents. 2) Telling Republican representatives to deal with it by just not holding any Town Hall meetings.
I think their ineptitude and their hubris will be the downfall. It reminds me (may not be true - @Malmesbury will know) of the apocryphal British decision *not* to try and assassinate Hitler, because him being alive would do more damage to the German war effort.
I think people are underestimating the impact of childhood. If from a very early age you think the model to follow is to take over Mars, and that rockets and technology are more important than democracy, that"s obviously going to help inform your life.
No-other tech magnates had these obsessions in the 1990's ; they're just he product of an atypical background.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
He's retweeted far-right accounts promoting civil war in the UK. He was reintrointruced to Trump's canpaign by Peter Thiel, an open techno-fascist, who is the kingmaker, and also promoted fascist ideologues like Curtis Yarvin to Vance.
He was named by his father after a character in a Nazi rocket scientists novel about a benign dictator who took over Mars. I would say the signs are pretty clear.
He has been ramping Yaxley-Lennon which made me very angry. But he isn't ramping it because he supports that mindset. SYL wants to remove migrants. Musk is in America saying that migration is a good thing (which enrages many MAGA activists).
So basically your argument is he is ramping right wing people for the lols not because he agrees with their viewpoint.
While mine is that Trump is posting those item because he does agree with their viewpoint
My argument is that he is ramping people who he thinks have been censored - SYL, AfD etc etc. It's bloody stupid, but it isn't fascism.
Do you think he gave Nazi salutes?
No, though I have been hugely entertained by the various side by side video clips. We don't even need to pull apart the mechanics of the salute and the very odd angle he was pulling vs the ramrod straight execution of the nazis doing it.
The proof that so many people offer for Musk being a fascist is those salutes. You yourself appear to have fallen back onto them as the last redoubt of an argument that falls apart under scrutiny.
Go back to my list of Musk vs Fascism positions. Discuss those point by point - those are relevant and would be whether or not a toddler moron has bounced around a stage like a 5 year old doung dodgy salutes, thumping the dias in excitement and doing absurd flag planting gestures complete with sounds.
"But he did a salute". Yeah. Harry dressed up as one. Cosplaying fascism doesn't make you actually fascist.
Interestingly I think Musk is a fascist - or maybe proro-fascist is a better description given he hasn't really got going yet. But I think the salute is entirely irrelevant and misleading. Far more important are Algakirk's list of 14 indicators, most of which I think Trump and Musk are ticking to a greater or lesser degree.
So the salute argument is pointless and ultimately wrong. You can find lots of examples of people we know are not fascists doing similar salutes and of course there are plenty of examples of people who we would happily class as fascists who have never been photographed making salutes. So it is rather daft to concentrate on this one irrelevant action.
I can follow your argument but, taking a step back, the Nazi salute can hardly be taken as neutral as to whether Musk is a fascist or not. It's at the very least a teensy bit fascist.
More Il Duce than Der Fuhrer, I thought.
But still - dodgy as all fuck.
I have always thought the Trump-Mussolini similarities were uncanny. Particularly that 'head tilt stare into the distance whilst sticking out the bottom lip' thing.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
He's retweeted far-right accounts promoting civil war in the UK. He was reintrointruced to Trump's canpaign by Peter Thiel, an open techno-fascist, who is the kingmaker, and also promoted fascist ideologues like Curtis Yarvin to Vance.
He was named by his father after a character in a Nazi rocket scientists novel about a benign dictator who took over Mars. I would say the signs are pretty clear.
He has been ramping Yaxley-Lennon which made me very angry. But he isn't ramping it because he supports that mindset. SYL wants to remove migrants. Musk is in America saying that migration is a good thing (which enrages many MAGA activists).
So basically your argument is he is ramping right wing people for the lols not because he agrees with their viewpoint.
While mine is that Trump is posting those item because he does agree with their viewpoint
My argument is that he is ramping people who he thinks have been censored - SYL, AfD etc etc. It's bloody stupid, but it isn't fascism.
Do you think he gave Nazi salutes?
No, though I have been hugely entertained by the various side by side video clips. We don't even need to pull apart the mechanics of the salute and the very odd angle he was pulling vs the ramrod straight execution of the nazis doing it.
The proof that so many people offer for Musk being a fascist is those salutes. You yourself appear to have fallen back onto them as the last redoubt of an argument that falls apart under scrutiny.
Go back to my list of Musk vs Fascism positions. Discuss those point by point - those are relevant and would be whether or not a toddler moron has bounced around a stage like a 5 year old doung dodgy salutes, thumping the dias in excitement and doing absurd flag planting gestures complete with sounds.
"But he did a salute". Yeah. Harry dressed up as one. Cosplaying fascism doesn't make you actually fascist.
Interestingly I think Musk is a fascist - or maybe proro-fascist is a better description given he hasn't really got going yet. But I think the salute is entirely irrelevant and misleading. Far more important are Algakirk's list of 14 indicators, most of which I think Trump and Musk are ticking to a greater or lesser degree.
So the salute argument is pointless and ultimately wrong. You can find lots of examples of people we know are not fascists doing similar salutes and of course there are plenty of examples of people who we would happily class as fascists who have never been photographed making salutes. So it is rather daft to concentrate on this one irrelevant action.
I haven't seen a lot of videos ('photographed' is meaningless, of course people sometimes have an arm raised) of "people we know are not fascists doing similar salutes". What do you have in mind?
Of course the interpretation depends partly on the context, and on the views that the person is known to be promoting. But Musk clearly performed fascist-style salutes at that rally. Maybe he was so off his head that he didn't have a clue what he was doing, and accidentally did them while not in control of his arms or something, but I find that a bit far-fetched.
Here's one that came up at the weekend concerning the US Govt:
US Department of Justice writes to Georgetown University saying that it will not consider any of their law graduates for jobs (ie will bin the applications) because the curriculum contains "DEI" content.
DOJ says it won’t hire Georgetown Law Students because DOJ has “reliably” heard that Georgetown “continues to teach and promote DEI.” DOJ tells Georgetown “no applicant” who is a student at a school “that continues to teach and utilize DEI will be considered.” Putin does this. https://x.com/JoinTheUnionUS/status/1898071649787826581
I think the only sensible reply from Georgetown University to that letter should be a swift
I think people are underestimating the impact of childhood. If from a very early age you think the model to follow is to take over Mars, and that rockets and technology are more important than democracy, that"s obviously going to help inform your life.
No-other tech magnates had these obsessions in the 1990's ; they're just he product of an atypical background.
AFAIAA Musk did not have those obsessions from childhood.
Interestingly, Bezos did. His graduation speech mentioned that he looked forward to the day that space would be colonised. A local newspaper quoted his intention "to get all people off the earth and see it turned into a huge national park". That was back in 1982.
As I have repeatedly pointed out, if you type the words "cis" or "cisgender" in a Tweet, the tweet will be hidden/muted/whatever the word is. Musk considers the terms to be slurs. Whatever else you may think of him, Musk is not, repeat not, a free speech absolutist.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
He's retweeted far-right accounts promoting civil war in the UK. He was reintrointruced to Trump's canpaign by Peter Thiel, an open techno-fascist, who is the kingmaker, and also promoted fascist ideologues like Curtis Yarvin to Vance.
He was named by his father after a character in a Nazi rocket scientists novel about a benign dictator who took over Mars. I would say the signs are pretty clear.
He has been ramping Yaxley-Lennon which made me very angry. But he isn't ramping it because he supports that mindset. SYL wants to remove migrants. Musk is in America saying that migration is a good thing (which enrages many MAGA activists).
So basically your argument is he is ramping right wing people for the lols not because he agrees with their viewpoint.
While mine is that Trump is posting those item because he does agree with their viewpoint
My argument is that he is ramping people who he thinks have been censored - SYL, AfD etc etc. It's bloody stupid, but it isn't fascism.
Do you think he gave Nazi salutes?
No, though I have been hugely entertained by the various side by side video clips. We don't even need to pull apart the mechanics of the salute and the very odd angle he was pulling vs the ramrod straight execution of the nazis doing it.
The proof that so many people offer for Musk being a fascist is those salutes. You yourself appear to have fallen back onto them as the last redoubt of an argument that falls apart under scrutiny.
Go back to my list of Musk vs Fascism positions. Discuss those point by point - those are relevant and would be whether or not a toddler moron has bounced around a stage like a 5 year old doung dodgy salutes, thumping the dias in excitement and doing absurd flag planting gestures complete with sounds.
"But he did a salute". Yeah. Harry dressed up as one. Cosplaying fascism doesn't make you actually fascist.
Interestingly I think Musk is a fascist - or maybe proro-fascist is a better description given he hasn't really got going yet. But I think the salute is entirely irrelevant and misleading. Far more important are Algakirk's list of 14 indicators, most of which I think Trump and Musk are ticking to a greater or lesser degree.
So the salute argument is pointless and ultimately wrong. You can find lots of examples of people we know are not fascists doing similar salutes and of course there are plenty of examples of people who we would happily class as fascists who have never been photographed making salutes. So it is rather daft to concentrate on this one irrelevant action.
Somewhat contradicting my previous comment, I think there is something in this. I do think Musk believes in the ideology, while Zuckerberg and Bezos are purely acting in the oligarchic interest of their businesses. They all want to steal the national wealth so it comes to the same thing in the end, but only Musk runs the real risk of ending up behind bars for the other stuff he's doing.
Quasi betting post, though there won't bets on it I suspect:
What are the probabilities/possibilities in the medium term term for USA post 20 January 2025. Here are five:
Trump over time remains weird but normalises.
Slow boiling frog: carry on as if this is a normal regime but weird, gradually tightening the screw but, eg, don't invade Canada. NATO debilitated but not abolished. Free and fair elections continue.
Quicker boiling frog: we end up where it appears rational to MAGA to literally invade Canada. NATO stuffed. Elections rigged.
Proper Trumpist coup: we wake up one day and find MSNBC, NYT, WSJ are closed, internet is down and Jon Stewart is in prison, elections cancelled, army on the street
Proper counter coup: We wake up one day and find airports closed, media outlets occupied, Trump and Musk etc arrested and army on the street.
Of these 5, assuming they cover the terrain, I would put the % at about 5% 35% 25% 20% 15%. Thoughts?
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
Don't Get a Tesla! There are plenty of other cars available.
and bollocks to people promoting Teslas on Youtube.
It's not really complicated. At all. You can twist yourself up in all kinds of mental bretzels and whataboutery so you don't feel so bad about yourself, but don't expect people on here not to call you out on it - and if you don't want anyone to lecture you on morality you're probably posting on the wrong forum!
Telling people to buy Teslas is fucking stupid unless you actively want the destruction of democracy and European liberal civilisation. Or maybe you just don't care enough about those things.
I can bat these away all day love.
"there are plenty of other cars available". Yep. As I say on the channel. Repeatedly. I'm not trying to tell people what to drive. Explicitly - I think they remain the best EV platform out there but I don't tell people who still drive a petrol car (like me) they are wrong or that people who get a car from another brand (like me) are wrong)
"bollocks to people promoting Teslas on YouTube" - ok. Up to you. Would it upset you to know that your view isn't the same as other people's views? But at least you aren't coming onto the channel by clicking to watch a video then by interacting with it by posting abuse, then engaging with me as I comment back. "How can you promote this" they say as by doing what they are doing they themselves are promoting it.
"whataboutery so you don't feel so bad about yourself". Don't worry, I'm not and I don't. The key learning from my 4 years as a town councillor with a political bully as Mayor is that you can't be bullied. I simply don't care what the other side think about me, so I'm not going to be annoyed or upset or cowed by them ranting.
Musk is an absolute dick. But some of the companies he used to be involved in before politics are doing some fantastic stuff. And that hasn't changed just because he's gone full dick crazy.
I have never seen your Youtube channel, and never will. It's enough to know it's called "Just Get a Tesla", combined with your misleading comments on here. Eg saying promoting Tesla isn't doesn't help Musk because "he's just the CEO and figurehead". I looked that one up too - Tesla makes up a massive chunk of Musk's total wealth.
I also wouldn't buy or promote a car from a company where Putin is the biggest shareholder, even if I thought the car itself was technologically OK, and even if I stood to make money from doing so.
And if I did promote such a car, I would fully expect to be condemned for it, even if philosophically "there are no moral absolutes"
Would you buy a Polestar? Genuine, non-attack question.
I don't know what Polestar is, but the internet suggests it's a Swedish subsidiary of a Chinese company.
I don't know enough about Polestar to say much, but in general I am not boycotting everything that has anything to do with China (nor everything that has anything to do with the US), but I am actively trying to buy European first where possible.
His wikipedia article is carefully anodyne, but he is a full on supporter of Xi and has er... ties to the Uyghur situation.
then no. not that I'm about to buy a car anyway, but I'd rather support a European company. And when I say European I include the UK but exclude Russia, for the avoidance of doubt.
Yes.
My point is that we need a change in the Global Free Trade model.
Removing all dependence on a US car manufacturer and switching it to a Chinese one is to jump from frying pan into fire.
See the slightly strange people on Twitter, claiming that they are switching to Chinese made Android phones. Which improves the situation by a *negative amount*, in objective terms.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
He's retweeted far-right accounts promoting civil war in the UK. He was reintrointruced to Trump's canpaign by Peter Thiel, an open techno-fascist, who is the kingmaker, and also promoted fascist ideologues like Curtis Yarvin to Vance.
He was named by his father after a character in a Nazi rocket scientists novel about a benign dictator who took over Mars. I would say the signs are pretty clear.
He has been ramping Yaxley-Lennon which made me very angry. But he isn't ramping it because he supports that mindset. SYL wants to remove migrants. Musk is in America saying that migration is a good thing (which enrages many MAGA activists).
So basically your argument is he is ramping right wing people for the lols not because he agrees with their viewpoint.
While mine is that Trump is posting those item because he does agree with their viewpoint
My argument is that he is ramping people who he thinks have been censored - SYL, AfD etc etc. It's bloody stupid, but it isn't fascism.
Do you think he gave Nazi salutes?
No, though I have been hugely entertained by the various side by side video clips. We don't even need to pull apart the mechanics of the salute and the very odd angle he was pulling vs the ramrod straight execution of the nazis doing it.
The proof that so many people offer for Musk being a fascist is those salutes. You yourself appear to have fallen back onto them as the last redoubt of an argument that falls apart under scrutiny.
Go back to my list of Musk vs Fascism positions. Discuss those point by point - those are relevant and would be whether or not a toddler moron has bounced around a stage like a 5 year old doung dodgy salutes, thumping the dias in excitement and doing absurd flag planting gestures complete with sounds.
"But he did a salute". Yeah. Harry dressed up as one. Cosplaying fascism doesn't make you actually fascist.
Interestingly I think Musk is a fascist - or maybe proro-fascist is a better description given he hasn't really got going yet. But I think the salute is entirely irrelevant and misleading. Far more important are Algakirk's list of 14 indicators, most of which I think Trump and Musk are ticking to a greater or lesser degree.
So the salute argument is pointless and ultimately wrong. You can find lots of examples of people we know are not fascists doing similar salutes and of course there are plenty of examples of people who we would happily class as fascists who have never been photographed making salutes. So it is rather daft to concentrate on this one irrelevant action.
I can follow your argument but, taking a step back, the Nazi salute can hardly be taken as neutral as to whether Musk is a fascist or not. It's at the very least a teensy bit fascist.
I think that depends on whether you think it was an intentional Nazi salute or just something that looked like it. As I said, there were plenty of examples being touted of other people doing similar salutes/gestures who were not even considered to be related to anything Nazi because of who was doing it.
I think the salute thing is just reinforcement activity by observers - I think Musk is a Nazi therefore this must have been a Nazi salute
You'd think the Richest Man in the World could put together a panel of sensible folk who could advise him.
"OK guys, I'm thinking of giving this gesture. A gesture that is me giving my heart to the world...."
"Mate - no. At best, you look a dick. At worst, a fascist. So no. Oh - and - get rid of the twat hat. And wear a suit...."
@Malmesbury as you’ve conceded, Starlink will stop working as soon as a train goes through a tunnel/cutting.
Therefore for continuous connectivity they are going to have to supply trackside DAS or similar anyway.
This issue will end up being a non-starter and will end up being replaced long term by the 4G/5G trackside solution when it’s rolled out country-wide.
There is no replacement for that. Network Rail have accepted that. Apparently ScotRail are too dumb.
That's somewhat of a rowing back vs last night where you stridently insisted it wouldn't work on a train at all out in the open.
Connectivity on the move is hard. Stick enough masts alongside the railway and you can get decent cell coverage. In patches. Train WIFI is slow if it works at all and also disconnects in tunnels. Yes they're sticking some cellular coverage for some networks into some tunnels. But its very very patchy at best.
Friend of mine in darkest Lincolnshire has just binned FTTC for 5G and its super fast! But where you don't have that option, Starlink works. My average FTTC speed was 35 up. My average 4G speed (there is no 5G) is 30ish up. My average Starlink speed is 130ish - and would be faster if I invested in a new mesh system to replace this old crappy one - or hard wire.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
His boss has just introduced a WHITE South African open door policy. You don't need to see him goose stepping arounnd in a 1942 Hugo Boss suit to get the idea.
Sure. But Musk is eulogising a visa system where people come to America from India, much to the horror of MAGA ideologues. Trump is not Musk is not Trump, despite their current marriage of convenience.
Only a relatively few people; and people carefully selected to be useful to he and his techbro friends.
Sure! So here is the direct comparison.
Did the Nazis selectively let Jews join the party and work their way up into positions of power? Does Yaxley-Lennon think that muslims should be allowed to stay here if they are doctors or senior business people?
Fascists do not want outsiders in their country. If you are advocating the merits of swarthy looking people of dubious religions coming to your country to make loads of money off working people, you're not a fascist.
The Nazis evolved during their time in power; they got worse. Who knows where Musk/Trump will end up politically?
If your argument is that anyone who is not Yaxley-Lennon is fine, then you're being silly. Musk wants immigration of a very small subset of people; either because they are like him (e.g. white South Africans), or because they are of use to him (engineers who will depress the pay of existing engineers).
Also even through a Ket induced haze Musk realises railing against immigrants in a country to which he is an immigrant would be extra dumb. No such restraints for countries in which he doesn't live (though I read that Musk is 'spiritually' English).
@Malmesbury as you’ve conceded, Starlink will stop working as soon as a train goes through a tunnel/cutting.
Therefore for continuous connectivity they are going to have to supply trackside DAS or similar anyway.
This issue will end up being a non-starter and will end up being replaced long term by the 4G/5G trackside solution when it’s rolled out country-wide.
There is no replacement for that. Network Rail have accepted that. Apparently ScotRail are too dumb.
I don't know if you followed the end of the discussion last night - the trains ScotRail are using it from are in the remoter areas of Scotland, where the line will have been constructed for minimal cuttings and tunnels. And there is probably much less track side infrastructure.
The overall point is that Starlink does work for many users. The whole point (apart from military use), is that by the time you add up a few percent of remote locations, planes, ships (and some trains), mobile users, backhaul for 4/5g etc, the world wide value of the market is many, many billions.
Which brings us to an interesting point. On many occasions, countries have said that "we are going to stop depending on X". On many fewer occasions, do they actually do so.
We can try and claim that Starlink doesn't work. And actually end up using it - it's in the process of rolling out on every airline in Europe, for example.
Or we can build a competitor.
In the case of Tesla, many countries around the world boast of how many high capacity, public chargers have been installed. Then you look at the how many are Tesla chargers.
Which means that we need to actually build a decent, inter-compatible network of chargers that actually work, and take payments easily, and don't charge rip-off prices.
This all goes against the Can't Doism of the Process State. But that is exactly where Musk comes from - when the system abdicates provision, that doesn't mean everyone sits with nicely folded hands.
The government would be much better off spending the money on rolling out the already planned 4G/5G coverage alongside the railway. They could do this for far less cost than building a Starlink competitor.
I’m not saying they shouldn’t try and compete against Starlink but there are better uses of money.
The SRN for its relatively low cost has been a good start.
I think people are underestimating the impact of childhood. If from a very early age you think the model to follow is to take over Mars, and that rockets and technology are more important than democracy, that"s obviously going to help inform your life.
No-other tech magnates had these obsessions in the 1990's ; they're just he product of an atypical background.
AFAIAA Musk did not have those obsessions from childhood.
Interestingly, Bezos did. His graduation speech mentioned that he looked forward to the day that space would be colonised. A local newspaper quoted his intention "to get all people off the earth and see it turned into a huge national park". That was back in 1982.
I think people are underestimating the impact of childhood. If from a very early age you think the model to follow is to take over Mars, and that rockets and technology are more important than democracy, that"s obviously going to help inform your life.
No-other tech magnates had these obsessions in the 1990's ; they're just he product of an atypical background.
AFAIAA Musk did not have those obsessions from childhood.
Interestingly, Bezos did. His graduation speech mentioned that he looked forward to the day that space would be colonised. A local newspaper quoted his intention "to get all people off the earth and see it turned into a huge national park". That was back in 1982.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
Indeed they have already gone after gay people. It's partly the obsession with traditional families (see the 1950s), keeping women in the house, and more white babies - as we also see over here now.
Reportedly (AP), the photo of the Enola Gay - the plane that dropped the atom bomb - is on the Trump "scrub the Department of Defence website" list under "DEI".
The playbook is from the Loon Lobby. I did not know about the one from a decade ago where a Christian website replaced "gay" with "homosexual" and turned the sprinter Tyson Gay into Tyson Homosexual (from the Standard):
They are completely nuts. And they are serious about being nuts - which is a big part of the problem.
"Women", "female", "black", "clean energy", "Native American", "disability", "race" are also among the suppressed words. Those who went along with the anti-woke, anti-DEI stuff were frankly childishly naive - it was always about reversing civil rights all the way back to the 60s.
"Advocate" is also in there. First they came for the lawyers, and, understandably...
And also ones like "Activist" and "Sex" and "Disability" and "MSM" and "Victim" and "Women". How the f*ck do you even have rational conversations if that is banned, and you put in place a "report your colleague who does not conform to our snitch-line" system, as they have?
Anne Applebaum's conparisons with Eastern Europe under Communism and their secret police, plus the intimidation of the general population, and coming to life before our eyes. Take just the response of Trump's regime to the people critical at Town Hall meetings (what we would call something like "Meet your MP") with the voters:
1) They are paid Democrat Party agents. 2) Telling Republican representatives to deal with it by just not holding any Town Hall meetings.
I think their ineptitude and their hubris will be the downfall. It reminds me (may not be true - @Malmesbury will know) of the apocryphal British decision *not* to try and assassinate Hitler, because him being alive would do more damage to the German war effort.
In my pessimistic thoughts the experiences of people like Václav Havel and Fr Jerzy Popiełuszko could become relevant very rapidly.
AIUI, the US 2nd Amendment exists partly to make sure the people can protect themselves against an over-reaching government.
On the British government and Hitler assassinations. By the time they got serious about it, it was late in the war. Germany was losing. The political consensus was that if they killed Hitler, it would just result in the war carrying on, but risked creating another Stab In The Back myth.
There was a virtually unanimous belief (my grandfather speaks of it in his diaries) that the war needed to end with Allied troops marching through all the Axis capitals. To make sure the message was plain, this time.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
Don't Get a Tesla! There are plenty of other cars available.
and bollocks to people promoting Teslas on Youtube.
It's not really complicated. At all. You can twist yourself up in all kinds of mental bretzels and whataboutery so you don't feel so bad about yourself, but don't expect people on here not to call you out on it - and if you don't want anyone to lecture you on morality you're probably posting on the wrong forum!
Telling people to buy Teslas is fucking stupid unless you actively want the destruction of democracy and European liberal civilisation. Or maybe you just don't care enough about those things.
I can bat these away all day love.
"there are plenty of other cars available". Yep. As I say on the channel. Repeatedly. I'm not trying to tell people what to drive. Explicitly - I think they remain the best EV platform out there but I don't tell people who still drive a petrol car (like me) they are wrong or that people who get a car from another brand (like me) are wrong)
"bollocks to people promoting Teslas on YouTube" - ok. Up to you. Would it upset you to know that your view isn't the same as other people's views? But at least you aren't coming onto the channel by clicking to watch a video then by interacting with it by posting abuse, then engaging with me as I comment back. "How can you promote this" they say as by doing what they are doing they themselves are promoting it.
"whataboutery so you don't feel so bad about yourself". Don't worry, I'm not and I don't. The key learning from my 4 years as a town councillor with a political bully as Mayor is that you can't be bullied. I simply don't care what the other side think about me, so I'm not going to be annoyed or upset or cowed by them ranting.
Musk is an absolute dick. But some of the companies he used to be involved in before politics are doing some fantastic stuff. And that hasn't changed just because he's gone full dick crazy.
I have never seen your Youtube channel, and never will. It's enough to know it's called "Just Get a Tesla", combined with your misleading comments on here. Eg saying promoting Tesla isn't doesn't help Musk because "he's just the CEO and figurehead". I looked that one up too - Tesla makes up a massive chunk of Musk's total wealth.
I also wouldn't buy or promote a car from a company where Putin is the biggest shareholder, even if I thought the car itself was technologically OK, and even if I stood to make money from doing so.
And if I did promote such a car, I would fully expect to be condemned for it, even if philosophically "there are no moral absolutes"
Would you buy a Polestar? Genuine, non-attack question.
I don't know what Polestar is, but the internet suggests it's a Swedish subsidiary of a Chinese company.
I don't know enough about Polestar to say much, but in general I am not boycotting everything that has anything to do with China (nor everything that has anything to do with the US), but I am actively trying to buy European first where possible.
His wikipedia article is carefully anodyne, but he is a full on supporter of Xi and has er... ties to the Uyghur situation.
Geely is Li Shufu, and that means a direct tie to Xi and all that that entails.
But he isn't Musk, so there's definitely no moral issue. As I have had posted several times by people railing against Tesla!
And it isn't just Polestar. Lovely Swedish safe centrist dad Volvo Cars. Owned by Geely. Lotus. Owned by Geely. London Electric Vehicle Company. Owned by Geely.
You see that black cab you've just taken in London? You've just put money into the pockets of the guy who is a member of the equivalent of the Chinese parliament, literally writing policy proposals for Xi. You Bad Man you.
So paying money to a London Taxi driver who happens to have a London Taxi directly puts money into the hands of the Chinese Government.
Just wanting to make you 100% aware of how stupid your post above is
Its completely stupid. Deliberately. Because the "unless you sell your Tesla you're supporting the crushing of Ukraine" arguments which some people have posted are also stupid.
As I have repeatedly pointed out, if you type the words "cis" or "cisgender" in a Tweet, the tweet will be hidden/muted/whatever the word is. Musk considers the terms to be slurs. Whatever else you may think of him, Musk is not, repeat not, a free speech absolutist.
Can't be stressed enough. Musk is a "I get to decide what speech is allowed" absolutist. Which if not an necessarily an indication of fascism, does show him to be a despot
As I have repeatedly pointed out, if you type the words "cis" or "cisgender" in a Tweet, the tweet will be hidden/muted/whatever the word is. Musk considers the terms to be slurs. Whatever else you may think of him, Musk is not, repeat not, a free speech absolutist.
Yup. Because Free Speech absolutism is absolutely not free.
Quasi betting post, though there won't bets on it I suspect:
What are the probabilities/possibilities in the medium term term for USA post 20 January 2025. Here are five:
Trump over time remains weird but normalises.
Slow boiling frog: carry on as if this is a normal regime but weird, gradually tightening the screw but, eg, don't invade Canada. NATO debilitated but not abolished. Free and fair elections continue.
Quicker boiling frog: we end up where it appears rational to MAGA to literally invade Canada. NATO stuffed. Elections rigged.
Proper Trumpist coup: we wake up one day and find MSNBC, NYT, WSJ are closed, internet is down and Jon Stewart is in prison, elections cancelled, army on the street
Proper counter coup: We wake up one day and find airports closed, media outlets occupied, Trump and Musk etc arrested and army on the street.
Of these 5, assuming they cover the terrain, I would put the % at about 5% 35% 25% 20% 15%. Thoughts?
Not bad! Touch too high the last two. Somewhere between 2 and 3 definitely the likely path.
Horse - you dislike Starlink. We get that. But so far you’ve made a series of strident statements which get rapidly demolished. Terrible latency? Nope. Can’t do meetings? Nope. Slower than 5G? Nope. Everyone is getting FTTP (Stop and Think about the practicalities of that one). Nope. Can’t work on a train. Nope.
Starlink may turn into a cul-de-sac technology. But here and now it offers genuinely fast and usable connectivity to people who literally have no other options. Where you insist the other options actually do exist and actually are faster and better actually.
I don’t work in the industry. You appear to do. Which means you know more that I do. But keep posting things that are demonstrably wrong in the real world because you’ve set your mind against it. Why is that? In my industry I start with the facts on the ground and build a narrative to explain them. Not decide on the narrative and be selective and manipulate of the “facts” to prove me right
Starlink's capabilities don't matter a jot if you are a non-MAGA government, or in a business which in any way competes with any of Musk's. Because you cannot rely on the service.
And I'd just say I find your constant hyping of Musk's products to be very much against what I thought were your values and morals.
How am I constantly hyping? Some products, yes. Partially. My latest Just Get A Tesla video slags off "FSD Capability" and describes it as "a con". Am I hyping FSD Capability? I'm saying that Tesla are being outrageous selling this thing which they know doesn't work. Is that me hyping them?
I've repeatedly poked a stick at autonomous vehicles - I fully expect they to get banned after the first nasty automation crash. I think the robot thing is absurd. I've attacked Neuralink.
What I don't do is adjust the facts to match what you insist should be "values and morals". Horse laid down a list of things that Starlink cannot do and was factually wrong. Stating that is neither hyping nor not hyping - it is what it is.
My morality is my morality. When I was younger and more strident I drank the cool-aid where my morality should be everyone's morality. I grew out of that long ago - and had to change party to best reflect that. What I think isn't necessarily what you think. Why do you think that what you think should be inviolate and adopted by others? If I want a lecture on morality I could go to church. Oh year, I stopped doing that as well...
What's the title of your channel again? Is it "Don't get a Tesla"?
No?
And my post commented on the technical merits of Starlink being pointless given the political shenanigans that Musk is performing with it.
And as for morality and values: wait until Musk and MAGA come after gay people. Or bisexuals. See my point now?
It's a car. It's not a man.
Starlink is a service. Should Starlink abruptly get switched off then I would have to revert back to shonky slow options. Are you saying that because of a theoretical event maybe in the future that shonky and slow is my best option now?
And MAGA are *already* going after anyone who isn't white Christian and straight. So what? Jenrick was foaming on about straight white Christians the other day. If I want to pay attention to homophobia I don't need to bother with MAGA.
What's your point? Which technologies / companies / political platforms are morally acceptable to you? I converted to Apple a couple of years ago - does that make me liable for the Uighurs too?
The car is giving the man much of his power. And he is using that power in ways that are, in my view, very bad. I'd hope that was your view as well. People promoting his brands are helping him. You are doing so - and I guess you're making a little money out of it.
And your comparison of Jenrick with what is going on in America is ludicrous and wrong.
My point was not about whether it is acceptable to *me*. My point - as I stated above - is that if you are a country or organisation that might annoy Musk for some reason, then any of his services are unreliable. That will be a major drag against the use of those services anywhere outside MAGAland.
We disagree but that is ok. Yes I'm promoting multiple Musk brands. Do you think Musk cares one way or another? The notion that a consumer boycott will sink him is for the birds - its having an impact on sales, but its not the collapse that some are hoping for. Anyone see the sales numbers in February here? Shows that the bigger drops in a few markets in Europe are not universal which means little impact - especially on a company whose bonkers share price is based on AI and automation hopium rather than reality.
As for Jenrick, he said that criminal justice was biased against "Christians" and "Straight White Men". We call out dog whistle racism when its MAGA doing it, but don't want to call it out when its the Tories? And you talk about morality?
This just makes my point. "Morality" talks of absolutes. Right and wrong. I've used that kind of language in the past which was wrong. With very very few exceptions there are no absolutes - only shades of grey. What we have here is one shade of grey addressing another shade of grey and saying "ha, you are grey"
Well the fact is you use cars and services that are provided by a company whose main shareholder has been discovered to be a facist loving ketamine addicted billionaire.
You also make videos (for which you earn money and seem to derive benefits from) that promote those products.
Now it’s up to you as to whether you continue to do so but given your previous posts I suspect an accurate description for you would be hypocrite
He's a kethead, without question.
Is he a fascist? Really? What's the evidence of it - and don't say the salute.
If you actually examine Musk's positions they are often at the opposite end of the spectrum from fascism. Musk is a free speech absolutist. That's an absurd position btw, but fascists don't want free speech, they want to stop free speech. Musk wants industry to be unencumbered by state regulation. Fascism shackles industry to deliver what the state wants. Musk thinks there's lots of penpusher bureaucrats and whole departments that can be done away with. Fascism regulates every aspect of life to the nth degree. Musk wants more migration. MAGA and especially some of the far right parties he has hyped want zero or negative migration.
"Musk is a fascist" doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny once you drop the emotional response and actually look at it.
He's retweeted far-right accounts promoting civil war in the UK. He was reintrointruced to Trump's canpaign by Peter Thiel, an open techno-fascist, who is the kingmaker, and also promoted fascist ideologues like Curtis Yarvin to Vance.
He was named by his father after a character in a Nazi rocket scientists novel about a benign dictator who took over Mars. I would say the signs are pretty clear.
He has been ramping Yaxley-Lennon which made me very angry. But he isn't ramping it because he supports that mindset. SYL wants to remove migrants. Musk is in America saying that migration is a good thing (which enrages many MAGA activists).
So basically your argument is he is ramping right wing people for the lols not because he agrees with their viewpoint.
While mine is that Trump is posting those item because he does agree with their viewpoint
My argument is that he is ramping people who he thinks have been censored - SYL, AfD etc etc. It's bloody stupid, but it isn't fascism.
Do you think he gave Nazi salutes?
No, though I have been hugely entertained by the various side by side video clips. We don't even need to pull apart the mechanics of the salute and the very odd angle he was pulling vs the ramrod straight execution of the nazis doing it.
The proof that so many people offer for Musk being a fascist is those salutes. You yourself appear to have fallen back onto them as the last redoubt of an argument that falls apart under scrutiny.
Go back to my list of Musk vs Fascism positions. Discuss those point by point - those are relevant and would be whether or not a toddler moron has bounced around a stage like a 5 year old doung dodgy salutes, thumping the dias in excitement and doing absurd flag planting gestures complete with sounds.
"But he did a salute". Yeah. Harry dressed up as one. Cosplaying fascism doesn't make you actually fascist.
Interestingly I think Musk is a fascist - or maybe proro-fascist is a better description given he hasn't really got going yet. But I think the salute is entirely irrelevant and misleading. Far more important are Algakirk's list of 14 indicators, most of which I think Trump and Musk are ticking to a greater or lesser degree.
So the salute argument is pointless and ultimately wrong. You can find lots of examples of people we know are not fascists doing similar salutes and of course there are plenty of examples of people who we would happily class as fascists who have never been photographed making salutes. So it is rather daft to concentrate on this one irrelevant action.
I actually disagree with you on both counts. I don't think he is a fascist, although as you say, he is showing many of the signs. But the history books will probably classify him as something different; though still bad.
And IMV he knew very well what he was doing when he did that salute. And it was done to send messages, and to appeal to certain people. That's the difference from an idiot throwing out a random salute.
He's achieved great things in other spheres but in politics he is dumb and he is nasty. Specifically, he dog-whistles to fascist sympathisers and he promotes racist far right politicians. As to *why* he does this, ie what is going on deep deep down in his psyche, who knows and I'm not sure it matters. As far as the rest of the world is concerned a person is what they choose to say and do.
A very *early* age, rather. I think Musk co-founded the Mars society in the late '90s. Bezos had a broader space-age interest, but don't forget he's also quite a bit older than Musk. The space-age stuff was much less typical in Musk's Generation X period.
I think people are underestimating the impact of childhood. If from a very early age you think the model to follow is to take over Mars, and that rockets and technology are more important than democracy, that"s obviously going to help inform your life.
No-other tech magnates had these obsessions in the 1990's ; they're just he product of an atypical background.
AFAIAA Musk did not have those obsessions from childhood.
Interestingly, Bezos did. His graduation speech mentioned that he looked forward to the day that space would be colonised. A local newspaper quoted his intention "to get all people off the earth and see it turned into a huge national park". That was back in 1982.
What information do we think will be added by the Local Elections in a few weeks?
(Apart from that the Conservatives will be mining hopium and copium on a Brobdingnagian scale, given that they hold around 1000 from 1600 seats up for election if my numbers are correct.)
I've been canvassing quite intensively in Con/Lab/LD/Reform wards in Oxfordshire. They're quite hard to read, since "Nah, not Labour" might mean anything. But FWIW I think Lab's performance will be mediocre rather than awful, and Reform will do better than Tories. I think the spat among Reform MPs is completely passing most people by, though the preoccupation with that has ended the Reform momentum.
As I have repeatedly pointed out, if you type the words "cis" or "cisgender" in a Tweet, the tweet will be hidden/muted/whatever the word is. Musk considers the terms to be slurs. Whatever else you may think of him, Musk is not, repeat not, a free speech absolutist.
Yup. Because Free Speech absolutism is absolutely not free.
Which is why I came of Twitter.
Honestly the thing about Twitter that I am really confused about is that since Elon bought it, they’ve completely broken the algorithm.
On every post now the related Tweets are either softcore porn, tweets from Elon himself or posts from Forgotten West. I have no idea how many times I have said “not interested”. I now just ignore them but it almost feels deliberate.
@Malmesbury as you’ve conceded, Starlink will stop working as soon as a train goes through a tunnel/cutting.
Therefore for continuous connectivity they are going to have to supply trackside DAS or similar anyway.
This issue will end up being a non-starter and will end up being replaced long term by the 4G/5G trackside solution when it’s rolled out country-wide.
There is no replacement for that. Network Rail have accepted that. Apparently ScotRail are too dumb.
That's somewhat of a rowing back vs last night where you stridently insisted it wouldn't work on a train at all out in the open.
Connectivity on the move is hard. Stick enough masts alongside the railway and you can get decent cell coverage. In patches. Train WIFI is slow if it works at all and also disconnects in tunnels. Yes they're sticking some cellular coverage for some networks into some tunnels. But its very very patchy at best.
Friend of mine in darkest Lincolnshire has just binned FTTC for 5G and its super fast! But where you don't have that option, Starlink works. My average FTTC speed was 35 up. My average 4G speed (there is no 5G) is 30ish up. My average Starlink speed is 130ish - and would be faster if I invested in a new mesh system to replace this old crappy one - or hard wire.
Hard wire. It's what I did when I moved house.
So I have fibre (1Gb symmetrical) coming in the wall. Hard wire to the router cupboard. From there to each room and a whole bunch of cables to a wall panel behind the TV in the living room.
So all the boxes under the TV have got the full bandwidth and no lag. Ping is reported as 1-2ms
There's (non-meshed) wifi access points (UniFi with fancy beam forming etc) in most of the rooms. The access points also have hard ethernet ports.
Quasi betting post, though there won't bets on it I suspect:
What are the probabilities/possibilities in the medium term term for USA post 20 January 2025. Here are five:
Trump over time remains weird but normalises.
Slow boiling frog: carry on as if this is a normal regime but weird, gradually tightening the screw but, eg, don't invade Canada. NATO debilitated but not abolished. Free and fair elections continue.
Quicker boiling frog: we end up where it appears rational to MAGA to literally invade Canada. NATO stuffed. Elections rigged.
Proper Trumpist coup: we wake up one day and find MSNBC, NYT, WSJ are closed, internet is down and Jon Stewart is in prison, elections cancelled, army on the street
Proper counter coup: We wake up one day and find airports closed, media outlets occupied, Trump and Musk etc arrested and army on the street.
Of these 5, assuming they cover the terrain, I would put the % at about 5% 35% 25% 20% 15%. Thoughts?
Not bad! Touch too high the last two. Somewhere between 2 and 3 definitely the likely path.
One thing that I don't think many americans have firmly grasped is that Trump is now in a Netanyahu situation.
He has to stay in office to avoid significant interest from the law.
Ergo he will do anything to remain in office. That includes rigging elections. But may include invading Canada so a national emergency can be declared.
Flattery was always something of a delusion; what Trump wants is complete subservience.
Donald Trump has 'gone cool' on Britain since King Charles welcomed Zelensky to Sandringham, diplomatic sources in Washington have claimed, - Daily Mail
Allies of the US President have made clear to UK officials in America that pictures of the King with the Ukranian leader made him feel 'less special' about the monarch's invitation for a state visit to Britain. https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1898686677201150174
I think people are underestimating the impact of childhood. If from a very early age you think the model to follow is to take over Mars, and that rockets and technology are more important than democracy, that"s obviously going to help inform your life.
No-other tech magnates had these obsessions in the 1990's ; they're just he product of an atypical background.
AFAIAA Musk did not have those obsessions from childhood.
Interestingly, Bezos did. His graduation speech mentioned that he looked forward to the day that space would be colonised. A local newspaper quoted his intention "to get all people off the earth and see it turned into a huge national park". That was back in 1982.
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While mine is that Trump is posting those item because he does agree with their viewpoint
If he's anything, then he's a plutocrat. But of a kind which didn't even exist back in the Gilded Age.
For someone who wants a separation between state and industry, he seems very keen to use his unelected political position to award himself contacts to run government functions.
Bit like tariffs by the US are not new, but the recent insanity is.
In the case of the tattoo artist, it seems that she was occasionally vacationing in the US, while putting on Facebook that she was available for booking while in the US, and bringing her equipment with her.
Under Biden (and other, previous, sane governments) they would have probably waited until she flew home, then blocked her entry.
There is a chance still of a Reform and Tory government but Farage's closeness to Trump hasn't helped that. There is also now a split in Reform between those like Farage and Anderson who are ideologically close to the ERG right of the Tories and the AfD lite wing backed by Tommy Robinson supporters who want to deport most immigrants and are fiercely
anti Islam and largely back Lowe
I don't know enough about Polestar to say much, but in general I am not boycotting everything that has anything to do with China (nor everything that has anything to do with the US), but I am actively trying to buy European first where possible.
No.
He is saying *some* migration is a good thing. Mainly of rich, white people. That is a very different thing from what you said.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-backs-race-based-125757533.html
This is roughly in line with what his father brought him up with.
Anne Applebaum's conparisons with Eastern Europe under Communism and their secret police, plus the intimidation of the general population, and coming to life before our eyes. Take just the response of Trump's regime to the people critical at Town Hall meetings (what we would call something like "Meet your MP") with the voters:
1) They are paid Democrat Party agents.
2) Telling Republican representatives to deal with it by just not holding any Town Hall meetings.
I think their ineptitude and their hubris will be the downfall. It reminds me (may not be true - @Malmesbury will know) of the apocryphal British decision *not* to try and assassinate Hitler, because him being alive would do more damage to the German war effort.
On the should I buy a Tesla question, I think people would be worried about what other people think of the brand and residual values, even if they are cool with Musk as a person.
The proof that so many people offer for Musk being a fascist is those salutes. You yourself appear to have fallen back onto them as the last redoubt of an argument that falls apart under scrutiny.
Go back to my list of Musk vs Fascism positions. Discuss those point by point - those are relevant and would be whether or not a toddler moron has bounced around a stage like a 5 year old doung dodgy salutes, thumping the dias in excitement and doing absurd flag planting gestures complete with sounds.
"But he did a salute". Yeah. Harry dressed up as one. Cosplaying fascism doesn't make you actually fascist.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-war-hamas-red-heifers-from-texas-jerusalem-jewish-temple-al-aqsa
More bollocks from you. Musk is quite happy to suspend Twitter accounts when he doesn't like what they say. He is against free speech, but likes racists and neonazis.
Anything else anyone can add to that ?
Did the Nazis selectively let Jews join the party and work their way up into positions of power?
Does Yaxley-Lennon think that muslims should be allowed to stay here if they are doctors or senior business people?
Fascists do not want outsiders in their country. If you are advocating the merits of swarthy looking people of dubious religions coming to your country to make loads of money off working people, you're not a fascist.
Just a reminder of 14 marks of fascism, already often posted but worth checking out from time to time. I think all 14 are somewhere in the 'work in progress' stage in the USA.
1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism.
2. Disdain for the importance of human rights.
3. Identification of enemies/scape-goats as a unifying cause.
4. The supremacy of the military/ avid militarism.
5. Rampant sexism.
6. A controlled mass media.
7. Obsession with national security.
8. Religion and ruling elite tied together.
9. Power of corporations protected.
10. Power of labour suppressed or eliminated.
11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts.
12. Obsession with crime and punishment.
13. Rampant cronyism and corruption.
14. Fraudulent elections.
I've got various Agent Smiths attacking me this morning as if I matter, but its all a distraction from the horrors that MAGA are trying to build in Murica.
Clearly they need to get their shit sorted out, and finding ever more inventive ways to discredit Rupert Lowe is an awful look that won't cut it.
Machiavalli said (I paraphrase) that if you can't completely destroy your enemy, don't attack them. It was an awful error to 'wound' Lowe's career with what look to be a series of half-baked allegations, leaving him resentful and on the warpath. There's lots of youthful energy in Reform it seems, but very little sage wisdom. Placating Lowe was really the only way forward. The same goes for any of the five MPs really. And now Nigel needs to eat humble pie and patch it up.
Now the cars are rather good but I suspect EVs are very much of a muchness and I want something smaller so I’m way more likely to look at a Renault or Kia
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/mar/10/no-exodus-to-state-sector-after-vat-added-to-private-school-fees-say-english-councils
I am shocked.
His wikipedia article is carefully anodyne, but he is a full on supporter of Xi and has er... ties to the Uyghur situation.
https://youtu.be/ZvNimQcdVZ8?t=881
In my pessimistic thoughts the experiences of people like Václav Havel and Fr Jerzy Popiełuszko could become relevant very rapidly.
Therefore for continuous connectivity they are going to have to supply trackside DAS or similar anyway.
This issue will end up being a non-starter and will end up being replaced long term by the 4G/5G trackside solution when it’s rolled out country-wide.
There is no replacement for that. Network Rail have accepted that. Apparently ScotRail are too dumb.
So the salute argument is pointless and ultimately wrong. You can find lots of examples of people we know are not fascists doing similar salutes and of course there are plenty of examples of people who we would happily class as fascists who have never been photographed making salutes. So it is rather daft to concentrate on this one irrelevant action.
And BTW, I have not been headlining on "Musk is a fascist'. As I've said before, I don't think he or Trump are, at least yet. But they increasingly exhibit many traits of fascism, at least at a low level, and are getting worse. I'm also of the view that because of its nebulous definitions, fascism isn't a very useful term. What Trump/Musk becomes will probably gain a different definition.
But whatever we do call it, it is clear that Musk's worldview is a terrible and dangerous one.
But that's okay in your mind, because you like the products that make him his money.
Every time they have one of these arguments, they make Sir Keir look less on the side of the left which frankly is probably better for his image. I remember these same people saying that expelling Corbyn would alienate the left. All it did was enhance his image as “not Corbyn”.
But he isn't Musk, so there's definitely no moral issue. As I have had posted several times by people railing against Tesla!
And it isn't just Polestar. Lovely Swedish safe centrist dad Volvo Cars. Owned by Geely. Lotus. Owned by Geely. London Electric Vehicle Company. Owned by Geely.
You see that black cab you've just taken in London? You've just put money into the pockets of the guy who is a member of the equivalent of the Chinese parliament, literally writing policy proposals for Xi. You Bad Man you.
And IMV he knew very well what he was doing when he did that salute. And it was done to send messages, and to appeal to certain people. That's the difference from an idiot throwing out a random salute.
Obviously that is only those who have changed to reform since the last election but I see no reason to think this is not reflective of the overall makeup of Reform voters.
It was the split on the right between Tories and Reform that got Starmer his landslide and cutting welfare too much could send more leftwingers from Labour to the Greens
US Department of Justice writes to Georgetown University saying that it will not consider any of their law graduates for jobs (ie will bin the applications) because the curriculum contains "DEI" content.
DOJ says it won’t hire Georgetown Law Students because DOJ has “reliably” heard that Georgetown “continues to teach and promote DEI.” DOJ tells Georgetown “no applicant” who is a student at a school “that continues to teach and utilize DEI will be considered.” Putin does this.
https://x.com/JoinTheUnionUS/status/1898071649787826581
He's a c**t, and that's all we need to know.
But still - dodgy as all fuck.
I think the salute thing is just reinforcement activity by observers - I think Musk is a Nazi therefore this must have been a Nazi salute
The overall point is that Starlink does work for many users. The whole point (apart from military use), is that by the time you add up a few percent of remote locations, planes, ships (and some trains), mobile users, backhaul for 4/5g etc, the world wide value of the market is many, many billions.
Which brings us to an interesting point. On many occasions, countries have said that "we are going to stop depending on X". On many fewer occasions, do they actually do so.
We can try and claim that Starlink doesn't work. And actually end up using it - it's in the process of rolling out on every airline in Europe, for example.
Or we can build a competitor.
In the case of Tesla, many countries around the world boast of how many high capacity, public chargers have been installed. Then you look at the how many are Tesla chargers.
Which means that we need to actually build a decent, inter-compatible network of chargers that actually work, and take payments easily, and don't charge rip-off prices.
This all goes against the Can't Doism of the Process State. But that is exactly where Musk comes from - when the system abdicates provision, that doesn't mean everyone sits with nicely folded hands.
Just wanting to make you 100% aware of how stupid your post above is
If your argument is that anyone who is not Yaxley-Lennon is fine, then you're being silly. Musk wants immigration of a very small subset of people; either because they are like him (e.g. white South Africans), or because they are of use to him (engineers who will depress the pay of existing engineers).
No-other tech magnates had these obsessions in the 1990's ; they're just he product of an atypical background.
Of course the interpretation depends partly on the context, and on the views that the person is known to be promoting. But Musk clearly performed fascist-style salutes at that rally. Maybe he was so off his head that he didn't have a clue what he was doing, and accidentally did them while not in control of his arms or something, but I find that a bit far-fetched.
"Dear Sir,
Fuck you."
Interestingly, Bezos did. His graduation speech mentioned that he looked forward to the day that space would be colonised. A local newspaper quoted his intention "to get all people off the earth and see it turned into a huge national park". That was back in 1982.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezos
What are the probabilities/possibilities in the medium term term for USA post 20 January 2025. Here are five:
Trump over time remains weird but normalises.
Slow boiling frog: carry on as if this is a normal regime but weird, gradually tightening the screw but, eg, don't invade Canada. NATO debilitated but not abolished. Free and fair elections continue.
Quicker boiling frog: we end up where it appears rational to MAGA to literally invade Canada. NATO stuffed. Elections rigged.
Proper Trumpist coup: we wake up one day and find MSNBC, NYT, WSJ are closed, internet is down and Jon Stewart is in prison, elections cancelled, army on the street
Proper counter coup: We wake up one day and find airports closed, media outlets occupied, Trump and Musk etc arrested and army on the street.
Of these 5, assuming they cover the terrain, I would put the % at about 5% 35% 25% 20% 15%. Thoughts?
My point is that we need a change in the Global Free Trade model.
Removing all dependence on a US car manufacturer and switching it to a Chinese one is to jump from frying pan into fire.
See the slightly strange people on Twitter, claiming that they are switching to Chinese made Android phones. Which improves the situation by a *negative amount*, in objective terms.
https://www.thetimes.com/business-money/economics/article/its-our-moral-duty-to-seize-russian-assets-to-help-ukraine-s3m6l23hk
"OK guys, I'm thinking of giving this gesture. A gesture that is me giving my heart to the world...."
"Mate - no. At best, you look a dick. At worst, a fascist. So no. Oh - and - get rid of the twat hat. And wear a suit...."
Connectivity on the move is hard. Stick enough masts alongside the railway and you can get decent cell coverage. In patches. Train WIFI is slow if it works at all and also disconnects in tunnels. Yes they're sticking some cellular coverage for some networks into some tunnels. But its very very patchy at best.
Friend of mine in darkest Lincolnshire has just binned FTTC for 5G and its super fast! But where you don't have that option, Starlink works. My average FTTC speed was 35 up. My average 4G speed (there is no 5G) is 30ish up. My average Starlink speed is 130ish - and would be faster if I invested in a new mesh system to replace this old crappy one - or hard wire.
I’m not saying they shouldn’t try and compete against Starlink but there are better uses of money.
The SRN for its relatively low cost has been a good start.
His father must have told him from.a very age, why he was called Elon.
There was a virtually unanimous belief (my grandfather speaks of it in his diaries) that the war needed to end with Allied troops marching through all the Axis capitals. To make sure the message was plain, this time.
Which is why I came of Twitter.
I think Musk co-founded the Mars society in the late '90s. Bezos had a broader space-age interest, but don't forget he's also quite a bit older than Musk. The space-age stuff was much less typical in Musk's Generation X period.
On every post now the related Tweets are either softcore porn, tweets from Elon himself or posts from Forgotten West. I have no idea how many times I have said “not interested”. I now just ignore them but it almost feels deliberate.
So I have fibre (1Gb symmetrical) coming in the wall. Hard wire to the router cupboard. From there to each room and a whole bunch of cables to a wall panel behind the TV in the living room.
So all the boxes under the TV have got the full bandwidth and no lag. Ping is reported as 1-2ms
There's (non-meshed) wifi access points (UniFi with fancy beam forming etc) in most of the rooms. The access points also have hard ethernet ports.
He has to stay in office to avoid significant interest from the law.
Ergo he will do anything to remain in office. That includes rigging elections. But may include invading Canada so a national emergency can be declared.
The subtle art of diplomacy