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  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    Really unfortunate first line there, which I am deliberately immortalising with this quick reply
    Sure. I'll complete my other comment.

    Conservative peer, Lord Hamilton: Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Conservative Party spokesman: "Completely unacceptable and flagrantly antisemitic"

    Kemi Badenoch: "Lord Hamilton misspoke and he's apologised and I think that should be the end of the matter."

    I don't think so.

    I was only teasing. It was clear from your mad blockquoting that you didn't mean to say, of your own volition, that mad thing about Jews

    It is a bizarrely clumsy remark from this Tory. That said, I honestly don't see why London needs a Holocaust memorial that takes up precious parkland in the centre of town
    I agree.
    Did the UK actually commit the Holocaust, or even allow its Jews to be rounded up?

    No.

    Why can’t we have a memorial to Chartists.
    Or, better, just nothing.
    The Palace of Westminster is a powerful memorial unto itself, which actually needs several billions of investment.
    Quite. There comes a point when ANOTHER Holocaust Memorial is a kind of expensive, pointless virtue signalling in black marble. A waste of money and time and a symptom of our footling, declining age. Not least because we ALREADY HAVE a memorial

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Park_Holocaust_Memorial

    Enough
    Can you please stop finishing posts with "Enough". Makes you sound like Richard Littlejohn.
    No, but I will give you a cool picture quiz


    Where is this? And why is it so remarkable?

    Nicht der googlissimi

    I promise this is a good one


    Your so sad picture made me think of Miner At The Dial-A-View.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_2j-wYLXAA
    Weirdly and serendipitously, there is a clue in what you have jusr said
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,141
    https://x.com/christiancalgie/status/1898081421102575704

    Interesting - A spokesman for the Met Police says: "On Thursday, 6 March we received an allegation of verbal threats made by a 67-year-old man on Friday, 13 December."

    "Officers are carrying out an assessment of the allegations to determine what further action may be required."

    So the report to the police just happened to be made yesterday, the day of the big bust up.

    Months after the threat was actually supposedly made.

    This does rather suggest Reform didn't think it was that big of a deal, or that party unity was more important than unacceptable behaviour, until the row yesterday.

    Doesn't look great
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    Really unfortunate first line there, which I am deliberately immortalising with this quick reply
    Sure. I'll complete my other comment.

    Conservative peer, Lord Hamilton: Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Conservative Party spokesman: "Completely unacceptable and flagrantly antisemitic"

    Kemi Badenoch: "Lord Hamilton misspoke and he's apologised and I think that should be the end of the matter."

    I don't think so.

    I was only teasing. It was clear from your mad blockquoting that you didn't mean to say, of your own volition, that mad thing about Jews

    It is a bizarrely clumsy remark from this Tory. That said, I honestly don't see why London needs a Holocaust memorial that takes up precious parkland in the centre of town
    I agree.
    Did the UK actually commit the Holocaust, or even allow its Jews to be rounded up?

    No.

    Why can’t we have a memorial to Chartists.
    Or, better, just nothing.
    The Palace of Westminster is a powerful memorial unto itself, which actually needs several billions of investment.
    Quite. There comes a point when ANOTHER Holocaust Memorial is a kind of expensive, pointless virtue signalling in black marble. A waste of money and time and a symptom of our footling, declining age. Not least because we ALREADY HAVE a memorial

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Park_Holocaust_Memorial

    Enough
    Can you please stop finishing posts with "Enough". Makes you sound like Richard Littlejohn.
    No, but I will give you a cool picture quiz


    Where is this? And why is it so remarkable?

    Nicht der googlissimi

    I promise this is a good one


    Baja , Mexico .
    Not a bad guess, but @Sunil_Prasannan is correct: it is the Atacama desert

    But the Atacama desert is a huge place, and this is a very particular corner of the Atacama
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,275
    IanB2 said:

    So, the utility group shortlist is the Akita, French bulldog, Lhasa Apso, miniature schnauzer, toy poodle, Tibetan spaniel, the Mexican hairless dog, the Shiba Inu, and the Keeshond.

    I reckon the Lhasa may get it.

    Is your dog watching ?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,563
    Leon said:

    I don’t think Jenrick would do well at all.
    For every “very online” loon like Leon he’d attract, he’d turn away many more.

    Jenrick got Labour to crap themselves just yesterday, and reinforced the Two Tier Keir narrative, with one deft bit of politicking (and observant aides, I am guessing). He made Sabana Mahmood scramble, awkwardly

    He is simply better at politics than Kemi B (and I like Kemi, she just hasn't got the chops). Indeed he seems to be the only Tory who is capable of taking it to Labour - can you name any one thing that any of the others have done? They are pitiful

    Someone like Jenrick is what the Tories need now, urgently. A fighter. With a cruel and ruthless streak. They need someone determined, ambitious, and with a striking resemblance to the leader singer of the Killers. That seems to be Jenrick

    If you can name an obviously superior candidate that is right now a Tory MP without making everyone roll on the floor with derisory laughter then go ahead. We can rule out Cleverly for a start, because lol
    It is true Jenrick captured the narrative yesterday, although he did so by being economical with the actualitaire.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,461

    https://x.com/christiancalgie/status/1898081421102575704

    Interesting - A spokesman for the Met Police says: "On Thursday, 6 March we received an allegation of verbal threats made by a 67-year-old man on Friday, 13 December."

    "Officers are carrying out an assessment of the allegations to determine what further action may be required."

    So the report to the police just happened to be made yesterday, the day of the big bust up.

    Months after the threat was actually supposedly made.

    This does rather suggest Reform didn't think it was that big of a deal, or that party unity was more important than unacceptable behaviour, until the row yesterday.

    Doesn't look great

    Well, it looks like the professionalisation has extended to starting a whips office, and a complaint handling function, complete with actually lawyers.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,313
    IanB2 said:

    So, the utility group shortlist is the Akita, French bulldog, Lhasa Apso, miniature schnauzer, toy poodle, Tibetan spaniel, the Mexican hairless dog, the Shiba Inu, and the Keeshond.

    I reckon the Lhasa may get it.

    Where are the Otter-hounds!?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,313
    edited March 7

    IanB2 said:

    So, the utility group shortlist is the Akita, French bulldog, Lhasa Apso, miniature schnauzer, toy poodle, Tibetan spaniel, the Mexican hairless dog, the Shiba Inu, and the Keeshond.

    I reckon the Lhasa may get it.

    Is your dog watching ?
    He's off with his mate 'The Colossus of Rhodes' for the night.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    OK the picture quiz is hard, so I will give a hefty clue

    It is not that far from the coast, tho you REALLY REALLY wouldn't know it
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,606
    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    So, the utility group shortlist is the Akita, French bulldog, Lhasa Apso, miniature schnauzer, toy poodle, Tibetan spaniel, the Mexican hairless dog, the Shiba Inu, and the Keeshond.

    I reckon the Lhasa may get it.

    Where are the Otter-hounds!?
    Just as well that the XL Bully doesn't qualify as a Kennel Club breed, else we'd have more pearl-clutching than a whole oyster farm on here.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109

    https://x.com/christiancalgie/status/1898081421102575704

    Interesting - A spokesman for the Met Police says: "On Thursday, 6 March we received an allegation of verbal threats made by a 67-year-old man on Friday, 13 December."

    "Officers are carrying out an assessment of the allegations to determine what further action may be required."

    So the report to the police just happened to be made yesterday, the day of the big bust up.

    Months after the threat was actually supposedly made.

    This does rather suggest Reform didn't think it was that big of a deal, or that party unity was more important than unacceptable behaviour, until the row yesterday.

    Doesn't look great

    Well, it looks like the professionalisation has extended to starting a whips office, and a complaint handling function, complete with actually lawyers.
    The whip is the MP for Clacton, and the lawyers are Farage & Farage LLP.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,831
    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    So, the utility group shortlist is the Akita, French bulldog, Lhasa Apso, miniature schnauzer, toy poodle, Tibetan spaniel, the Mexican hairless dog, the Shiba Inu, and the Keeshond.

    I reckon the Lhasa may get it.

    Where are the Otter-hounds!?
    There was one in the endangered breeds competition final earlier
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197
    edited March 7
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Lowe is, incidentally, a rather good public speaker. If you like firmly rightwing no nonsense opinions expressed clearly, confidently, and articulately. Trouble is:

    1. He's too old

    and

    2. He hasn't got Farage's rizz

    I can imagine he has a loyal chunk of Reform activists who prefer him to Nige, but it won't be enough if it comes to a shootout

    What Reform desperately need is a cadre of younger sassier telegenic new politicians. That is what all the successful populist rightwing parties in the EU have done - from Meloni to Bardella etc. Indeed that is probably exactly what reform needs: a younger WOMAN

    Holly Vallance?

    You can have Suella and are welcome to her.
    No they need someone HOT

    Holly Vallance is HOT (for an older lady type)
    There's a Third Man/John Wayne/cuckoo clock joke in there somewhere, but I can't really be bothered this evening.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,831
    edited March 7

    IanB2 said:

    So, the utility group shortlist is the Akita, French bulldog, Lhasa Apso, miniature schnauzer, toy poodle, Tibetan spaniel, the Mexican hairless dog, the Shiba Inu, and the Keeshond.

    I reckon the Lhasa may get it.

    Is your dog watching ?
    Unlike some dogs, he doesn’t pay the TV any attention. If he hears a dog on it, he gives it a sniff, and since it only smells of plastic and glass, he loses interest.

    Basically the same as if we could smell a dog in the room but can see there is nothing there.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    Carnyx said:

    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    So, the utility group shortlist is the Akita, French bulldog, Lhasa Apso, miniature schnauzer, toy poodle, Tibetan spaniel, the Mexican hairless dog, the Shiba Inu, and the Keeshond.

    I reckon the Lhasa may get it.

    Where are the Otter-hounds!?
    Just as well that the XL Bully doesn't qualify as a Kennel Club breed, else we'd have more pearl-clutching than a whole oyster farm on here.
    I saw an XL Bully today. Kentish Town Road. About the size of a small bullock. He had a muzzle on which gave him the demeanour of Hannibal Lecter in that mask

    And fools like you think these dogs are just fine. They should all be exterminated, they only exist because of human evil
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,313
    IanB2 said:

    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    So, the utility group shortlist is the Akita, French bulldog, Lhasa Apso, miniature schnauzer, toy poodle, Tibetan spaniel, the Mexican hairless dog, the Shiba Inu, and the Keeshond.

    I reckon the Lhasa may get it.

    Where are the Otter-hounds!?
    There was one in the endangered breeds competition final earlier
    I've long wanted to have a dog alongside me. Otter-hounds seem like pretty cool dudes in the dog world. Should I risk all the downsides?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,606
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    So, the utility group shortlist is the Akita, French bulldog, Lhasa Apso, miniature schnauzer, toy poodle, Tibetan spaniel, the Mexican hairless dog, the Shiba Inu, and the Keeshond.

    I reckon the Lhasa may get it.

    Where are the Otter-hounds!?
    Just as well that the XL Bully doesn't qualify as a Kennel Club breed, else we'd have more pearl-clutching than a whole oyster farm on here.
    I saw an XL Bully today. Kentish Town Road. About the size of a small bullock. He had a muzzle on which gave him the demeanour of Hannibal Lecter in that mask

    And fools like you think these dogs are just fine. They should all be exterminated, they only exist because of human evil
    I don't think they are just fine: simply that the legal focus on one breed is foolish when there are other dangerous dog breeds, including newly imported and even invented ones to bypass the laws.

    If you can't grasp the difference, when even the Kennel Club can't define it as a specific breed ...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,295
    edited March 7
    For centuries white men have topped the privilege tree, exploiting others for money and status, yet when just for a second (and just in a very limited way) attempts are made to change this they cry like little babies and turn to fascism. ENOUGH.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    Reform do have Anne Widdecombe, of course.

    Best-selling author, experienced Minister, popular tv personality.

    Sadly not currently an MP, but believe she still holds a frontbench role as “Shadow Minister for Being Mad as Batshit”.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,831
    Now it’s the Toy dog judging, for those who found some of the utility breeds not dinky enough
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    Really unfortunate first line there, which I am deliberately immortalising with this quick reply
    Sure. I'll complete my other comment.

    Conservative peer, Lord Hamilton: Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Conservative Party spokesman: "Completely unacceptable and flagrantly antisemitic"

    Kemi Badenoch: "Lord Hamilton misspoke and he's apologised and I think that should be the end of the matter."

    I don't think so.

    I was only teasing. It was clear from your mad blockquoting that you didn't mean to say, of your own volition, that mad thing about Jews

    It is a bizarrely clumsy remark from this Tory. That said, I honestly don't see why London needs a Holocaust memorial that takes up precious parkland in the centre of town
    I agree.
    Did the UK actually commit the Holocaust, or even allow its Jews to be rounded up?

    No.

    Why can’t we have a memorial to Chartists.
    Or, better, just nothing.
    The Palace of Westminster is a powerful memorial unto itself, which actually needs several billions of investment.
    Quite. There comes a point when ANOTHER Holocaust Memorial is a kind of expensive, pointless virtue signalling in black marble. A waste of money and time and a symptom of our footling, declining age. Not least because we ALREADY HAVE a memorial

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Park_Holocaust_Memorial

    Enough
    Can you please stop finishing posts with "Enough". Makes you sound like Richard Littlejohn.
    No, but I will give you a cool picture quiz


    Where is this? And why is it so remarkable?

    Nicht der googlissimi

    I promise this is a good one


    OK I think this is too hard, so here's basically the answer

    This is a ghost town in the Atacama, not far from the coast. The crosses are the graves of miners - there was a mine here decades ago (saltpeter maybe?)

    In parts of the Atacama (and elsewhere in Latin America?) there is a weird syncretic pagan-Christian tradition of leaving toys as offerings at graves and roadsides. When I came here I was startled to see hundreds of these plastic toys, decorating the rusty old graves and crosses of minders who died fifty years back. Some were fesh - teenage mutant ninja turtles - staring across the endless desert

    It was intensely weird and very noomy

    But there was one other thing about this place which makes it outstandingly strange, and means it should be world famous (but it isn't). It certainly added to the already formidable noom. Can anyone guess what this extra aspect might be?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,606
    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    So, the utility group shortlist is the Akita, French bulldog, Lhasa Apso, miniature schnauzer, toy poodle, Tibetan spaniel, the Mexican hairless dog, the Shiba Inu, and the Keeshond.

    I reckon the Lhasa may get it.

    Where are the Otter-hounds!?
    There was one in the endangered breeds competition final earlier
    I've long wanted to have a dog alongside me. Otter-hounds seem like pretty cool dudes in the dog world. Should I risk all the downsides?
    JUst make sure they don't run off if they see a rat or something in the water. Friends of ours had a spaniel - would run offand never come back if it saw a duck. And they live next to a Thames wet meadow.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,003

    https://x.com/christiancalgie/status/1898081421102575704

    Interesting - A spokesman for the Met Police says: "On Thursday, 6 March we received an allegation of verbal threats made by a 67-year-old man on Friday, 13 December."

    "Officers are carrying out an assessment of the allegations to determine what further action may be required."

    So the report to the police just happened to be made yesterday, the day of the big bust up.

    Months after the threat was actually supposedly made.

    This does rather suggest Reform didn't think it was that big of a deal, or that party unity was more important than unacceptable behaviour, until the row yesterday.

    Doesn't look great

    Well, it looks like the professionalisation has extended to starting a whips office, and a complaint handling function, complete with actually lawyers.
    The whip is the MP for Clacton, and the lawyers are Farage & Farage LLP.
    Judge Nigel, executioner N P Farage
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,049

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    Really unfortunate first line there, which I am deliberately immortalising with this quick reply
    Sure. I'll complete my other comment.

    Conservative peer, Lord Hamilton: Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Conservative Party spokesman: "Completely unacceptable and flagrantly antisemitic"

    Kemi Badenoch: "Lord Hamilton misspoke and he's apologised and I think that should be the end of the matter."

    I don't think so.

    I was only teasing. It was clear from your mad blockquoting that you didn't mean to say, of your own volition, that mad thing about Jews

    It is a bizarrely clumsy remark from this Tory. That said, I honestly don't see why London needs a Holocaust memorial that takes up precious parkland in the centre of town
    I agree.
    Did the UK actually commit the Holocaust, or even allow its Jews to be rounded up?

    No.

    Why can’t we have a memorial to Chartists.
    Or, better, just nothing.
    The Palace of Westminster is a powerful memorial unto itself, which actually needs several billions of investment.
    Quite. There comes a point when ANOTHER Holocaust Memorial is a kind of expensive, pointless virtue signalling in black marble. A waste of money and time and a symptom of our footling, declining age. Not least because we ALREADY HAVE a memorial

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Park_Holocaust_Memorial

    Enough
    Can you please stop finishing posts with "Enough". Makes you sound like Richard Littlejohn.
    I prefer the name of John littledick
    Or Littlejohnthomas.

    I think I nicked that one from Chris Morris.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,103

    Rupert Lowe has whip withdrawn

    Reform now 4 mps

    A relief for the girls in his office by the sound of it
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    So, the utility group shortlist is the Akita, French bulldog, Lhasa Apso, miniature schnauzer, toy poodle, Tibetan spaniel, the Mexican hairless dog, the Shiba Inu, and the Keeshond.

    I reckon the Lhasa may get it.

    Where are the Otter-hounds!?
    Just as well that the XL Bully doesn't qualify as a Kennel Club breed, else we'd have more pearl-clutching than a whole oyster farm on here.
    I saw an XL Bully today. Kentish Town Road. About the size of a small bullock. He had a muzzle on which gave him the demeanour of Hannibal Lecter in that mask

    And fools like you think these dogs are just fine. They should all be exterminated, they only exist because of human evil
    I don't think they are just fine: simply that the legal focus on one breed is foolish when there are other dangerous dog breeds, including newly imported and even invented ones to bypass the laws.

    If you can't grasp the difference, when even the Kennel Club can't define it as a specific breed ...
    I've told you my answer. If there is a problem defining breed, then ban all dogs over a certain size, unless you have a special licence. Job done
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,869
    Roger said:

    Rupert Lowe has whip withdrawn

    Reform now 4 mps

    A relief for the girls in his office by the sound of it
    Rob Lowe no longer to be PM. Farage to take up post in Trump cabinet.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,505
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Lowe is, incidentally, a rather good public speaker. If you like firmly rightwing no nonsense opinions expressed clearly, confidently, and articulately. Trouble is:

    1. He's too old

    and

    2. He hasn't got Farage's rizz

    I can imagine he has a loyal chunk of Reform activists who prefer him to Nige, but it won't be enough if it comes to a shootout

    What Reform desperately need is a cadre of younger sassier telegenic new politicians. That is what all the successful populist rightwing parties in the EU have done - from Meloni to Bardella etc. Indeed that is probably exactly what reform needs: a younger WOMAN

    Holly Vallance?

    You can have Suella and are welcome to her.
    No they need someone HOT

    Holly Vallance is HOT (for an older lady type)
    Are we suggesting Reform make a DEI hire?

    Wasn't Anne Widdecombe enough?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    I read in the very latest “Weekend Widdy” that Ann Widdecombe is developing a Cameo account.

    https://annwiddecombe.substack.com/p/weekend-widdy-e03?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

    Cometh the hour, cometh the Widdy.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,313
    kinabalu said:

    For centuries white men have topped the privilege tree, exploiting others for money and status, yet when just for a second (and just in a very limited way) attempts are made to change this they cry like little babies and turn to fascism. ENOUGH.

    So white men now are guilty? I'd guess more tanned gentlemen ran the roost for many, many more centuries.

    Blaming the people who exist now for the sins of their skin colour isn't terribly sensible is it?

    Blaming anyone for the sins of others past seems to me equally daft.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,831
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    Really unfortunate first line there, which I am deliberately immortalising with this quick reply
    Sure. I'll complete my other comment.

    Conservative peer, Lord Hamilton: Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Conservative Party spokesman: "Completely unacceptable and flagrantly antisemitic"

    Kemi Badenoch: "Lord Hamilton misspoke and he's apologised and I think that should be the end of the matter."

    I don't think so.

    I was only teasing. It was clear from your mad blockquoting that you didn't mean to say, of your own volition, that mad thing about Jews

    It is a bizarrely clumsy remark from this Tory. That said, I honestly don't see why London needs a Holocaust memorial that takes up precious parkland in the centre of town
    I agree.
    Did the UK actually commit the Holocaust, or even allow its Jews to be rounded up?

    No.

    Why can’t we have a memorial to Chartists.
    Or, better, just nothing.
    The Palace of Westminster is a powerful memorial unto itself, which actually needs several billions of investment.
    Quite. There comes a point when ANOTHER Holocaust Memorial is a kind of expensive, pointless virtue signalling in black marble. A waste of money and time and a symptom of our footling, declining age. Not least because we ALREADY HAVE a memorial

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Park_Holocaust_Memorial

    Enough
    Can you please stop finishing posts with "Enough". Makes you sound like Richard Littlejohn.
    No, but I will give you a cool picture quiz


    Where is this? And why is it so remarkable?

    Nicht der googlissimi

    I promise this is a good one


    OK I think this is too hard, so here's basically the answer

    This is a ghost town in the Atacama, not far from the coast. The crosses are the graves of miners - there was a mine here decades ago (saltpeter maybe?)

    In parts of the Atacama (and elsewhere in Latin America?) there is a weird syncretic pagan-Christian tradition of leaving toys as offerings at graves and roadsides. When I came here I was startled to see hundreds of these plastic toys, decorating the rusty old graves and crosses of minders who died fifty years back. Some were fesh - teenage mutant ninja turtles - staring across the endless desert

    It was intensely weird and very noomy

    But there was one other thing about this place which makes it outstandingly strange, and means it should be world famous (but it isn't). It certainly added to the already formidable noom. Can anyone guess what this extra aspect might be?
    Didn’t Ewan and Charley go there during the Long Way Up?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,141
    kinabalu said:

    For centuries white men have topped the privilege tree, exploiting others for money and status, yet when just for a second and just in a very limited way attempts are made to change this they cry like little babies and turn to fascism. ENOUGH.

    Were you not born in the North? That doesn't sound like topping the privilege tree.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    kinabalu said:

    For centuries white men have topped the privilege tree, exploiting others for money and status, yet when just for a second (and just in a very limited way) attempts are made to change this they cry like little babies and turn to fascism. ENOUGH.

    In the annals of Ultimately Stupid Comments Made on PB, this one probably goes straight into the top twenty, not least because it manages to be deeply cringe as well as astonishingly dim
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,141
    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1898095077764792600

    I feel so sorry for millions of decent British men and women from all over the country who put their faith in Reform.

    They have been let down by this malicious circus.

    You all deserve so much better.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    Really unfortunate first line there, which I am deliberately immortalising with this quick reply
    Sure. I'll complete my other comment.

    Conservative peer, Lord Hamilton: Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Conservative Party spokesman: "Completely unacceptable and flagrantly antisemitic"

    Kemi Badenoch: "Lord Hamilton misspoke and he's apologised and I think that should be the end of the matter."

    I don't think so.

    I was only teasing. It was clear from your mad blockquoting that you didn't mean to say, of your own volition, that mad thing about Jews

    It is a bizarrely clumsy remark from this Tory. That said, I honestly don't see why London needs a Holocaust memorial that takes up precious parkland in the centre of town
    I agree.
    Did the UK actually commit the Holocaust, or even allow its Jews to be rounded up?

    No.

    Why can’t we have a memorial to Chartists.
    Or, better, just nothing.
    The Palace of Westminster is a powerful memorial unto itself, which actually needs several billions of investment.
    Quite. There comes a point when ANOTHER Holocaust Memorial is a kind of expensive, pointless virtue signalling in black marble. A waste of money and time and a symptom of our footling, declining age. Not least because we ALREADY HAVE a memorial

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Park_Holocaust_Memorial

    Enough
    Can you please stop finishing posts with "Enough". Makes you sound like Richard Littlejohn.
    No, but I will give you a cool picture quiz


    Where is this? And why is it so remarkable?

    Nicht der googlissimi

    I promise this is a good one


    OK I think this is too hard, so here's basically the answer

    This is a ghost town in the Atacama, not far from the coast. The crosses are the graves of miners - there was a mine here decades ago (saltpeter maybe?)

    In parts of the Atacama (and elsewhere in Latin America?) there is a weird syncretic pagan-Christian tradition of leaving toys as offerings at graves and roadsides. When I came here I was startled to see hundreds of these plastic toys, decorating the rusty old graves and crosses of minders who died fifty years back. Some were fesh - teenage mutant ninja turtles - staring across the endless desert

    It was intensely weird and very noomy

    But there was one other thing about this place which makes it outstandingly strange, and means it should be world famous (but it isn't). It certainly added to the already formidable noom. Can anyone guess what this extra aspect might be?
    Didn’t Ewan and Charley go there during the Long Way Up?
    I don't know, I've never seen it. Maybe?

    It is a truly extraordinary place, especially when you know this one last startling aspect. And the weird thing is you can just drive there, the PanAmerican highway goes near (so maybe they did visit it?)
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,869

    kinabalu said:

    For centuries white men have topped the privilege tree, exploiting others for money and status, yet when just for a second and just in a very limited way attempts are made to change this they cry like little babies and turn to fascism. ENOUGH.

    Were you not born in the North? That doesn't sound like topping the privilege tree.
    Leicester is the borderland between privilege and non-privilege, which gives Foxy a special status.
    Beneath the Leicester parallel, live the Eloi, as H.G. Wells predicted the effete upper-middle classes would turn into.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    edited March 7
    Reform now down to 4 MPs.
    And surely one of them is hardly in the country.

    So that’s 3.

    And Tice is not in the country much either, as his family now live in Dubai. So that’s 2.

    And Lee Anderson can’t be long for this world, not with a face that pink.

    He needs to cut down on the pies, if Reform is to have any kind of future.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,049

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1898095077764792600

    I feel so sorry for millions of decent British men and women from all over the country who put their faith in Reform.

    They have been let down by this malicious circus.

    You all deserve so much better.

    So Rupert.

    Do you still think you can control him?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,563
    ...

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1898095077764792600

    I feel so sorry for millions of decent British men and women from all over the country who put their faith in Reform.

    They have been let down by this malicious circus.

    You all deserve so much better.

    Will he join the Tories?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,098
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    So, the utility group shortlist is the Akita, French bulldog, Lhasa Apso, miniature schnauzer, toy poodle, Tibetan spaniel, the Mexican hairless dog, the Shiba Inu, and the Keeshond.

    I reckon the Lhasa may get it.

    Where are the Otter-hounds!?
    Just as well that the XL Bully doesn't qualify as a Kennel Club breed, else we'd have more pearl-clutching than a whole oyster farm on here.
    I saw an XL Bully today. Kentish Town Road. About the size of a small bullock. He had a muzzle on which gave him the demeanour of Hannibal Lecter in that mask

    And fools like you think these dogs are just fine. They should all be exterminated, they only exist because of human evil
    I don't think they are just fine: simply that the legal focus on one breed is foolish when there are other dangerous dog breeds, including newly imported and even invented ones to bypass the laws.

    If you can't grasp the difference, when even the Kennel Club can't define it as a specific breed ...
    I've told you my answer. If there is a problem defining breed, then ban all dogs over a certain size, unless you have a special licence. Job done
    That's the problem with you right-wingers: always wanting to ban stuff.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    edited March 7

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    So, the utility group shortlist is the Akita, French bulldog, Lhasa Apso, miniature schnauzer, toy poodle, Tibetan spaniel, the Mexican hairless dog, the Shiba Inu, and the Keeshond.

    I reckon the Lhasa may get it.

    Where are the Otter-hounds!?
    Just as well that the XL Bully doesn't qualify as a Kennel Club breed, else we'd have more pearl-clutching than a whole oyster farm on here.
    I saw an XL Bully today. Kentish Town Road. About the size of a small bullock. He had a muzzle on which gave him the demeanour of Hannibal Lecter in that mask

    And fools like you think these dogs are just fine. They should all be exterminated, they only exist because of human evil
    I don't think they are just fine: simply that the legal focus on one breed is foolish when there are other dangerous dog breeds, including newly imported and even invented ones to bypass the laws.

    If you can't grasp the difference, when even the Kennel Club can't define it as a specific breed ...
    I've told you my answer. If there is a problem defining breed, then ban all dogs over a certain size, unless you have a special licence. Job done
    That's the problem with you right-wingers: always wanting to ban stuff.
    I'm being surprisingly liberal

    I'd ban all pets, if I was Caudillo*

    *a prospect that moves nearer as Reform implode
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,313
    You can lay Rupert Lowe for next PM at 40s on BF. Obviously it's not a great bet if people continue to think he's PM material.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,098
    edited March 7

    ...

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1898095077764792600

    I feel so sorry for millions of decent British men and women from all over the country who put their faith in Reform.

    They have been let down by this malicious circus.

    You all deserve so much better.

    Will he join the Tories?
    Could the answer to PB Prediction Competition Q4 be a negative number?

    Q4. Number of Tory MP defectors to Reform in 2025.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,831
    Omnium said:

    You can lay Rupert Lowe for next PM at 40s on BF. Obviously it's not a great bet if people continue to think he's PM material.

    Laying Farage at 5, or whatever it was, is the better bet
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,831

    ...

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1898095077764792600

    I feel so sorry for millions of decent British men and women from all over the country who put their faith in Reform.

    They have been let down by this malicious circus.

    You all deserve so much better.

    Will he join the Tories?
    Could the answer to PB Prediction Competition Q4 be a negative number?

    Q4. Number of Tory MP defectors to Reform in 2025.
    No, cos those weren’t the rules.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,313
    Carnyx said:

    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    So, the utility group shortlist is the Akita, French bulldog, Lhasa Apso, miniature schnauzer, toy poodle, Tibetan spaniel, the Mexican hairless dog, the Shiba Inu, and the Keeshond.

    I reckon the Lhasa may get it.

    Where are the Otter-hounds!?
    There was one in the endangered breeds competition final earlier
    I've long wanted to have a dog alongside me. Otter-hounds seem like pretty cool dudes in the dog world. Should I risk all the downsides?
    JUst make sure they don't run off if they see a rat or something in the water. Friends of ours had a spaniel - would run offand never come back if it saw a duck. And they live next to a Thames wet meadow.
    Would you risk it?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,313
    IanB2 said:

    Omnium said:

    You can lay Rupert Lowe for next PM at 40s on BF. Obviously it's not a great bet if people continue to think he's PM material.

    Laying Farage at 5, or whatever it was, is the better bet
    Well, yes - I've done that too.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,860
    edited March 7

    I read in the very latest “Weekend Widdy” that Ann Widdecombe is developing a Cameo account.

    https://annwiddecombe.substack.com/p/weekend-widdy-e03?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

    Cometh the hour, cometh the Widdy.

    Thank goodness it is not OnlyFans.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,658

    Leon said:

    I don’t think Jenrick would do well at all.
    For every “very online” loon like Leon he’d attract, he’d turn away many more.

    Jenrick got Labour to crap themselves just yesterday, and reinforced the Two Tier Keir narrative, with one deft bit of politicking (and observant aides, I am guessing). He made Sabana Mahmood scramble, awkwardly

    He is simply better at politics than Kemi B (and I like Kemi, she just hasn't got the chops). Indeed he seems to be the only Tory who is capable of taking it to Labour - can you name any one thing that any of the others have done? They are pitiful

    Someone like Jenrick is what the Tories need now, urgently. A fighter. With a cruel and ruthless streak. They need someone determined, ambitious, and with a striking resemblance to the leader singer of the Killers. That seems to be Jenrick

    If you can name an obviously superior candidate that is right now a Tory MP without making everyone roll on the floor with derisory laughter then go ahead. We can rule out Cleverly for a start, because lol
    I agree he is a very effective tactician.
    I just think he is cryptonite to most of middle England.

    Agree. At the moment as a former 'One Nation' Tory voter in GEs for nearly 50 years, now voting Labour, with Kemi as leader I would vote Tory if I were in seat where the Tory was the only candidate who could beat Reform. If Jenrick were the Tory leader I wouldn't bother.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    Really unfortunate first line there, which I am deliberately immortalising with this quick reply
    Sure. I'll complete my other comment.

    Conservative peer, Lord Hamilton: Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Conservative Party spokesman: "Completely unacceptable and flagrantly antisemitic"

    Kemi Badenoch: "Lord Hamilton misspoke and he's apologised and I think that should be the end of the matter."

    I don't think so.

    I was only teasing. It was clear from your mad blockquoting that you didn't mean to say, of your own volition, that mad thing about Jews

    It is a bizarrely clumsy remark from this Tory. That said, I honestly don't see why London needs a Holocaust memorial that takes up precious parkland in the centre of town
    I agree.
    Did the UK actually commit the Holocaust, or even allow its Jews to be rounded up?

    No.

    Why can’t we have a memorial to Chartists.
    Or, better, just nothing.
    The Palace of Westminster is a powerful memorial unto itself, which actually needs several billions of investment.
    Quite. There comes a point when ANOTHER Holocaust Memorial is a kind of expensive, pointless virtue signalling in black marble. A waste of money and time and a symptom of our footling, declining age. Not least because we ALREADY HAVE a memorial

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Park_Holocaust_Memorial

    Enough
    Can you please stop finishing posts with "Enough". Makes you sound like Richard Littlejohn.
    No, but I will give you a cool picture quiz


    Where is this? And why is it so remarkable?

    Nicht der googlissimi

    I promise this is a good one


    OK this is hard. But here is one more clue because this is juicy (esp if you like noom)

    What is the scariest thing you could learn about a place? Anywhere on earth, if you moved there?

    That is this place, like nowhere else on earth. This place is NE PLUS ULTRA
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,869
    The future after Trump looks concerning. Two key influences on Vance seem to be Peter Thiek, Musk's techno-supremacist, and Curtis Yarvin, a loon who favours a new American absolute monarchy.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,563
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    Really unfortunate first line there, which I am deliberately immortalising with this quick reply
    Sure. I'll complete my other comment.

    Conservative peer, Lord Hamilton: Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Conservative Party spokesman: "Completely unacceptable and flagrantly antisemitic"

    Kemi Badenoch: "Lord Hamilton misspoke and he's apologised and I think that should be the end of the matter."

    I don't think so.

    I was only teasing. It was clear from your mad blockquoting that you didn't mean to say, of your own volition, that mad thing about Jews

    It is a bizarrely clumsy remark from this Tory. That said, I honestly don't see why London needs a Holocaust memorial that takes up precious parkland in the centre of town
    I agree.
    Did the UK actually commit the Holocaust, or even allow its Jews to be rounded up?

    No.

    Why can’t we have a memorial to Chartists.
    Or, better, just nothing.
    The Palace of Westminster is a powerful memorial unto itself.
    A memorial is meant to stand the test of time, the Palace will crumble or burn in the next 10 years whilst the MPs piss about pretending it will magically becoming cheaper to fix if they delay making a decision and decide to stay in the building during building works.
    I have a horrible sinking feeling in the not too distant future the Houses of Parliament will burn like Notre Dame, only the damage will be so great it cannot be restored. Taking with it Westminster Hall, one of the most remarkable buildings on earth, inside one of the most remarkable buildings on earth

    It will be a tragedy for the nation and for humanity, and all of it avoidable, except that we are governed by imbeciles
    Opens up the opportunity to move the House of Lords to Telford.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,869
    Peter Thiel, Musk Musk's techno-supremacist friend, and Curtis Yarvin, the monarchist, that should say there.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    edited March 7

    The future after Trump looks concerning. Two key influences on Vance seem to be Peter Thiek, Musk's techno-supremacist, and Curtis Yarvin, a loon who favours a new American absolute monarchy.

    What was that video with that guy who prredicted Ever Increasing Weirdness

    Was it Terence McKenna?

    It seems to be coming true
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,103
    FPT. If anyone missed this years Oscar winner in the documentary category 'No Other Land' It's well worth watching. Just shown on Ch4. If anyone wants to see Nazi thugs in Israeli uniforms they're on show here.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,313

    The future after Trump looks concerning. Two key influences on Vance seem to be Peter Thiek, Musk's techno-supremacist, and Curtis Yarvin, a loon who favours a new American absolute monarchy.

    Musk will become wiser.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,831
    edited March 7
    And so the shortlist for the Toy group is the two Chihuahuas, the Maltese, miniature pinscher, papillon, Pomeranian, Bichon, and Yorkshire terrier.

    And the winner is….the papillon, for the second year in a row. Runner up is the Maltese, third to the Pomeranian and the smooth chihuahua in fourth

    I think the Shropshire Papillon is the first British dog to go through to the final this year.

    A papillon won best of show not that many years back, which may be a handicap.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    Here it is

    Terence McKenna on the inevitable surge and intensification of Weirdness, he nails it all: it's like he scripted the 2020s

    https://youtu.be/KkKb8WnDMFA?si=Y421JBO-qYQlrEEo
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,295
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    For centuries white men have topped the privilege tree, exploiting others for money and status, yet when just for a second (and just in a very limited way) attempts are made to change this they cry like little babies and turn to fascism. ENOUGH.

    In the annals of Ultimately Stupid Comments Made on PB, this one probably goes straight into the top twenty, not least because it manages to be deeply cringe as well as astonishingly dim
    Thank you! Mission accomplished then. It being intended as a mirror of your 'stuff' on that topic. Gosh I'm good sometimes. Got a little glow on now.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,141
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14470559/Trump-pressured-make-Puerto-Rico-independent-save-America-eye-watering-617-billion.html

    Donald Trump is being lobbied to make Puerto Rico an independent nation and save American taxpayers $617.8 billion, DailyMail.com has learned.

    At least two congressional offices are in possession of a seven-page draft 'executive order' on how the U.S. can help the island territory transition to independence.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,098
    Omnium said:

    Carnyx said:

    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    So, the utility group shortlist is the Akita, French bulldog, Lhasa Apso, miniature schnauzer, toy poodle, Tibetan spaniel, the Mexican hairless dog, the Shiba Inu, and the Keeshond.

    I reckon the Lhasa may get it.

    Where are the Otter-hounds!?
    There was one in the endangered breeds competition final earlier
    I've long wanted to have a dog alongside me. Otter-hounds seem like pretty cool dudes in the dog world. Should I risk all the downsides?
    JUst make sure they don't run off if they see a rat or something in the water. Friends of ours had a spaniel - would run offand never come back if it saw a duck. And they live next to a Thames wet meadow.
    Would you risk it?
    It's all down to training, training, training. Train the dog to come back to the whistle.

    There is something in a dog's psychology that makes then very subservient to embedded habit. Get beyond a certain point with a habit (e.g. coming back when they hear the whistle) and they find it very hard to resist doing it every time.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,779
    Roger said:

    Rupert Lowe has whip withdrawn

    Reform now 4 mps

    A relief for the girls in his office by the sound of it
    I expect @TSE to warn about commenting on this story
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,295

    kinabalu said:

    For centuries white men have topped the privilege tree, exploiting others for money and status, yet when just for a second and just in a very limited way attempts are made to change this they cry like little babies and turn to fascism. ENOUGH.

    Were you not born in the North? That doesn't sound like topping the privilege tree.
    South Yorkshire coalfields. Where the Battle of Waterloo was won.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,295
    Omnium said:

    kinabalu said:

    For centuries white men have topped the privilege tree, exploiting others for money and status, yet when just for a second (and just in a very limited way) attempts are made to change this they cry like little babies and turn to fascism. ENOUGH.

    So white men now are guilty? I'd guess more tanned gentlemen ran the roost for many, many more centuries.

    Blaming the people who exist now for the sins of their skin colour isn't terribly sensible is it?

    Blaming anyone for the sins of others past seems to me equally daft.
    I know. Rather trite and overwrought, wasn't it.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,313

    Omnium said:

    Carnyx said:

    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    So, the utility group shortlist is the Akita, French bulldog, Lhasa Apso, miniature schnauzer, toy poodle, Tibetan spaniel, the Mexican hairless dog, the Shiba Inu, and the Keeshond.

    I reckon the Lhasa may get it.

    Where are the Otter-hounds!?
    There was one in the endangered breeds competition final earlier
    I've long wanted to have a dog alongside me. Otter-hounds seem like pretty cool dudes in the dog world. Should I risk all the downsides?
    JUst make sure they don't run off if they see a rat or something in the water. Friends of ours had a spaniel - would run offand never come back if it saw a duck. And they live next to a Thames wet meadow.
    Would you risk it?
    It's all down to training, training, training. Train the dog to come back to the whistle.

    There is something in a dog's psychology that makes then very subservient to embedded habit. Get beyond a certain point with a habit (e.g. coming back when they hear the whistle) and they find it very hard to resist doing it every time.
    Thanks. Much as to my own thoughts. I'll post buildings for scale if I ever risk questions of my good nature on such a great enterprise,
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,098

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    Really unfortunate first line there, which I am deliberately immortalising with this quick reply
    Sure. I'll complete my other comment.

    Conservative peer, Lord Hamilton: Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Conservative Party spokesman: "Completely unacceptable and flagrantly antisemitic"

    Kemi Badenoch: "Lord Hamilton misspoke and he's apologised and I think that should be the end of the matter."

    I don't think so.

    I was only teasing. It was clear from your mad blockquoting that you didn't mean to say, of your own volition, that mad thing about Jews

    It is a bizarrely clumsy remark from this Tory. That said, I honestly don't see why London needs a Holocaust memorial that takes up precious parkland in the centre of town
    I agree.
    Did the UK actually commit the Holocaust, or even allow its Jews to be rounded up?

    No.

    Why can’t we have a memorial to Chartists.
    Or, better, just nothing.
    The Palace of Westminster is a powerful memorial unto itself.
    A memorial is meant to stand the test of time, the Palace will crumble or burn in the next 10 years whilst the MPs piss about pretending it will magically becoming cheaper to fix if they delay making a decision and decide to stay in the building during building works.
    I have a horrible sinking feeling in the not too distant future the Houses of Parliament will burn like Notre Dame, only the damage will be so great it cannot be restored. Taking with it Westminster Hall, one of the most remarkable buildings on earth, inside one of the most remarkable buildings on earth

    It will be a tragedy for the nation and for humanity, and all of it avoidable, except that we are governed by imbeciles
    Opens up the opportunity to move the House of Lords to Telford.
    What has Telford done to deserve that?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,831
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    For centuries white men have topped the privilege tree, exploiting others for money and status, yet when just for a second (and just in a very limited way) attempts are made to change this they cry like little babies and turn to fascism. ENOUGH.

    In the annals of Ultimately Stupid Comments Made on PB, this one probably goes straight into the top twenty, not least because it manages to be deeply cringe as well as astonishingly dim
    Thank you! Mission accomplished then. It being intended as a mirror of your 'stuff' on that topic. Gosh I'm good sometimes. Got a little glow on now.
    Judged by the very master of dumb, stupid and cringey commentary, it was praise indeed.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,989
    Omnium said:

    The future after Trump looks concerning. Two key influences on Vance seem to be Peter Thiek, Musk's techno-supremacist, and Curtis Yarvin, a loon who favours a new American absolute monarchy.

    Musk will become wiser.
    ...as he goes bust.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,831

    Omnium said:

    Carnyx said:

    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    So, the utility group shortlist is the Akita, French bulldog, Lhasa Apso, miniature schnauzer, toy poodle, Tibetan spaniel, the Mexican hairless dog, the Shiba Inu, and the Keeshond.

    I reckon the Lhasa may get it.

    Where are the Otter-hounds!?
    There was one in the endangered breeds competition final earlier
    I've long wanted to have a dog alongside me. Otter-hounds seem like pretty cool dudes in the dog world. Should I risk all the downsides?
    JUst make sure they don't run off if they see a rat or something in the water. Friends of ours had a spaniel - would run offand never come back if it saw a duck. And they live next to a Thames wet meadow.
    Would you risk it?
    It's all down to training, training, training. Train the dog to come back to the whistle.

    There is something in a dog's psychology that makes then very subservient to embedded habit. Get beyond a certain point with a habit (e.g. coming back when they hear the whistle) and they find it very hard to resist doing it every time.
    Hiding from your dog now and again, when it’s young, is a useful tip. If it thinks you might disappear at any minute, it will learn to keep half an eye on you, ready to run back if you should magically vanish.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,461
    Omnium said:

    kinabalu said:

    For centuries white men have topped the privilege tree, exploiting others for money and status, yet when just for a second (and just in a very limited way) attempts are made to change this they cry like little babies and turn to fascism. ENOUGH.

    So white men now are guilty? I'd guess more tanned gentlemen ran the roost for many, many more centuries.

    Blaming the people who exist now for the sins of their skin colour isn't terribly sensible is it?

    Blaming anyone for the sins of others past seems to me equally daft.
    Blaming people for the actions of people the same colour as them has a name.

    Racist.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,831
    edited March 7
    Tomorrow we have the Gundog showing, flyball quarterfinals, and the ever popular scruffts, as well as the international dog dancing competition. What an exciting weekend in store!
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,313
    kinabalu said:

    Omnium said:

    kinabalu said:

    For centuries white men have topped the privilege tree, exploiting others for money and status, yet when just for a second (and just in a very limited way) attempts are made to change this they cry like little babies and turn to fascism. ENOUGH.

    So white men now are guilty? I'd guess more tanned gentlemen ran the roost for many, many more centuries.

    Blaming the people who exist now for the sins of their skin colour isn't terribly sensible is it?

    Blaming anyone for the sins of others past seems to me equally daft.
    I know. Rather trite and overwrought, wasn't it.
    I'd not worry too much. Like many on PB, you're often rather more wise than daft.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,989

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1898095077764792600

    I feel so sorry for millions of decent British men and women from all over the country who put their faith in Reform.

    They have been let down by this malicious circus.

    You all deserve so much better.

    Chalk this up as another win for Ukraine.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,831
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    For centuries white men have topped the privilege tree, exploiting others for money and status, yet when just for a second and just in a very limited way attempts are made to change this they cry like little babies and turn to fascism. ENOUGH.

    Were you not born in the North? That doesn't sound like topping the privilege tree.
    South Yorkshire coalfields. Where the Battle of Waterloo was won.
    What on earth were all those Irish, Dutch, Belgians and Prussians doing up there?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,869
    Leon said:

    Here it is

    Terence McKenna on the inevitable surge and intensification of Weirdness, he nails it all: it's like he scripted the 2020s

    https://youtu.be/KkKb8WnDMFA?si=Y421JBO-qYQlrEEo

    This reminds me of new theories of what consciousness is.

    I think we're certainly in for some major changes.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,313

    Omnium said:

    kinabalu said:

    For centuries white men have topped the privilege tree, exploiting others for money and status, yet when just for a second (and just in a very limited way) attempts are made to change this they cry like little babies and turn to fascism. ENOUGH.

    So white men now are guilty? I'd guess more tanned gentlemen ran the roost for many, many more centuries.

    Blaming the people who exist now for the sins of their skin colour isn't terribly sensible is it?

    Blaming anyone for the sins of others past seems to me equally daft.
    Blaming people for the actions of people the same colour as them has a name.

    Racist.
    I'm a bit baffled as to what you're trying to say.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,989
    IanB2 said:

    Tomorrow we have the Gundog showing, flyball quarterfinals, and the ever popular scruffts, as well as the international dog dancing competition. What an exciting weekend in store!

    Have you been to Crufts? It is enormous....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,989
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Sky News.

    Trump 'finding it more difficult to deal with Ukraine' - and says he believes Putin

    Ukraine has to "get on the ball and get the job done", Donald Trump says now as he answers questions on the war.

    "They're bombing the hell out of Ukraine... I'm finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine," he adds.

    Russia has "all the cards", he says, and says it "may be easier" to deal with Moscow, despite their position.

    Asked if he believes Vladimir Putin when he says he wants peace, Trump says "yeah... I believe him".

    On the one hand Trump doesn't think the Ukrainians have any agency; on the other it's all their fault.

    I know we'll never get any consistency or logic out of the man but he sure hits you in the stomach.
    Really unfortunate first line there, which I am deliberately immortalising with this quick reply
    Sure. I'll complete my other comment.

    Conservative peer, Lord Hamilton: Jews should pay for their own Holocaust memorial because they have "an awful lot of money"

    Conservative Party spokesman: "Completely unacceptable and flagrantly antisemitic"

    Kemi Badenoch: "Lord Hamilton misspoke and he's apologised and I think that should be the end of the matter."

    I don't think so.

    I was only teasing. It was clear from your mad blockquoting that you didn't mean to say, of your own volition, that mad thing about Jews

    It is a bizarrely clumsy remark from this Tory. That said, I honestly don't see why London needs a Holocaust memorial that takes up precious parkland in the centre of town
    I agree.
    Did the UK actually commit the Holocaust, or even allow its Jews to be rounded up?

    No.

    Why can’t we have a memorial to Chartists.
    Or, better, just nothing.
    The Palace of Westminster is a powerful memorial unto itself, which actually needs several billions of investment.
    Quite. There comes a point when ANOTHER Holocaust Memorial is a kind of expensive, pointless virtue signalling in black marble. A waste of money and time and a symptom of our footling, declining age. Not least because we ALREADY HAVE a memorial

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Park_Holocaust_Memorial

    Enough
    Can you please stop finishing posts with "Enough". Makes you sound like Richard Littlejohn.
    No, but I will give you a cool picture quiz


    Where is this? And why is it so remarkable?

    Nicht der googlissimi

    I promise this is a good one


    OK this is hard. But here is one more clue because this is juicy (esp if you like noom)

    What is the scariest thing you could learn about a place? Anywhere on earth, if you moved there?

    That is this place, like nowhere else on earth. This place is NE PLUS ULTRA
    In Argentina, “los desaparecidos” - the Disappeared - were buried underneath a funfair. Close?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,779
    edited March 7
    Looks like Reeves is to reduce funding for GB Energy and Reynolds is to announce substantial changes to electric vehicles policy

    If so just how long can Miliband remain in post ?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,831
    edited March 7

    Looks like Reeves is to reduce funding for GB Energy and Reynolds is to announce substantial changes to electric vehicles policy

    If so just how long can Miliband remain in post ?

    They’ve surely got to go for limiting cash ISAs. The original idea was to encourage people to save, not to turn almost all bank and building society interest into tax free income. People sitting on a £million in ISAs don’t need encouraging to save.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,188

    NEW THREAD

  • I didn't realise Great Yarmouth was such an interesting place..😏
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,779
    IanB2 said:

    Looks like Reeves is to reduce funding for GB Energy and Reynolds is to announce substantial changes to electric vehicles policy

    If so just how long can Miliband remain in post ?

    They’ve surely got to go for limiting cash ISAs. The original idea was to encourage people to save, not to turn almost all bank and building society interest into tax free income. People sitting on a £million in ISAs don’t need encouraging to save.
    I expect this also plus much more

    Amazing how Europe and UK can suddenly ( and rightly) find hundreds of billions in unexpected defence spending

    A price has to be paid
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,257

    Looks like Reeves is to reduce funding for GB Energy and Reynolds is to announce substantial changes to electric vehicles policy

    If so just how long can Miliband remain in post ?

    I’m beginning to regret voting Labour. Although trying to get Priti Patel out of Parliament has to have a positive aspect.
    The independent who came last seemed like a nice lady, if rather naive.
  • Reform UK has peaked as I wrote several days back. The next election will be about whether you want a Labour government again or not.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    edited March 7
    That Terence McKenna clip, esp at the beginning, is so on point it deserves to be transcribed

    "I think it is just going to get weirder and weirder and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird, that people are going to have to talk about how weird it is. And at that point Novelty Theory can come out of the woods. Because eventually people are going to say 'what the hell is going on, it's just too nuts', it's not enough to say it's nuts, you have to explain WHY it's nuts.

    "I look for the invention of artificial life, the cloning of human beings, possible contact with extra terrestrials, possible human immortality. And at the same time appalling acts of brutality, genocide, race baiting, homophobia, famine, starvation. Because the systems that are in place to keep the world sane are utterly inadequate to the forces that have been unleashed."

    https://x.com/FrederikNeckar/status/1753170039308427331

    As of now we have

    1. the invention of artificial life

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/may/15/cambridge-scientists-create-worlds-first-living-organism-with-fully-redesigned-dna

    2. human cloning

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-22540374

    3. Extra terrestrial panic, for sure

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/jan/14/what-happens-if-we-have-been-visited-by-aliens-lied-to-ufos-uaps-grusch-congress

    4. Human immortality moves closer

    https://medium.com/@david.a.ragland/the-promise-of-longevity-escape-velocity-are-we-on-the-brink-of-reversing-time-2eae526a926b

    I don't think we need links for the brutality, genocide, race baiting, etc


    Terence McKenna gave that interview in 1998, possibly while off his head on shrooms
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,018
    Leon said:

    That Terence McKenna clip, esp at the beginning, is so on point it deserves to be transcribed

    "I think it is just going to get weirder and weirder and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird, that people are going to have to talk about how weird it is. And at that point Novelty Theory can come out of the woods. Because eventually people are going to say 'what the hell is going on, it's just too nuts', it's not enough to say it's nuts, you have to explain WHY it's nuts.

    "I look for the invention of artificial life, the cloning of human beings, possible contact with extra terrestrials, possible human immortality. And at the same time appalling acts of brutality, genocide, race baiting, homophobia, famine, starvation. Because the systems that are in place to keep the world sane are utterly inadequate to the forces that have been unleashed."

    https://x.com/FrederikNeckar/status/1753170039308427331

    As of now we have

    1. the invention of artificial life

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/may/15/cambridge-scientists-create-worlds-first-living-organism-with-fully-redesigned-dna

    2. human cloning

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-22540374

    3. Extra terrestrial panic, for sure

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/jan/14/what-happens-if-we-have-been-visited-by-aliens-lied-to-ufos-uaps-grusch-congress

    4. Human immortality moves closer

    https://medium.com/@david.a.ragland/the-promise-of-longevity-escape-velocity-are-we-on-the-brink-of-reversing-time-2eae526a926b

    I don't think we need links for the brutality, genocide, race baiting, etc


    Terence McKenna gave that interview in 1998, possibly while off his head on shrooms

    As I've noted before with our luck they will reach human immortality 5 minutes after each of us has popped it.
  • Roger said:

    Rupert Lowe has whip withdrawn

    Reform now 4 mps

    A relief for the girls in his office by the sound of it
    I expect @TSE to warn about commenting on this story
    Why? It's an obvious hit job by Farage..😏
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,461
    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    kinabalu said:

    For centuries white men have topped the privilege tree, exploiting others for money and status, yet when just for a second (and just in a very limited way) attempts are made to change this they cry like little babies and turn to fascism. ENOUGH.

    So white men now are guilty? I'd guess more tanned gentlemen ran the roost for many, many more centuries.

    Blaming the people who exist now for the sins of their skin colour isn't terribly sensible is it?

    Blaming anyone for the sins of others past seems to me equally daft.
    Blaming people for the actions of people the same colour as them has a name.

    Racist.
    I'm a bit baffled as to what you're trying to say.
    Blaming anyone for the actions of people who have the same skin colour is stupid.

    We had this the other day - blaming Orangutans for Donald Trump is simply wrong.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,835
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    So, the utility group shortlist is the Akita, French bulldog, Lhasa Apso, miniature schnauzer, toy poodle, Tibetan spaniel, the Mexican hairless dog, the Shiba Inu, and the Keeshond.

    I reckon the Lhasa may get it.

    Where are the Otter-hounds!?
    Just as well that the XL Bully doesn't qualify as a Kennel Club breed, else we'd have more pearl-clutching than a whole oyster farm on here.
    I saw an XL Bully today. Kentish Town Road. About the size of a small bullock. He had a muzzle on which gave him the demeanour of Hannibal Lecter in that mask

    And fools like you think these dogs are just fine. They should all be exterminated, they only exist because of human evil
    I don't think they are just fine: simply that the legal focus on one breed is foolish when there are other dangerous dog breeds, including newly imported and even invented ones to bypass the laws.

    If you can't grasp the difference, when even the Kennel Club can't define it as a specific breed ...
    I've told you my answer. If there is a problem defining breed, then ban all dogs over a certain size, unless you have a special licence. Job done
    The simple solution is to require dog insurance, which would effectively price certain kinds of dogs out of existence.

    (H/t @Malmesbury, I believe)
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,329
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    So, the utility group shortlist is the Akita, French bulldog, Lhasa Apso, miniature schnauzer, toy poodle, Tibetan spaniel, the Mexican hairless dog, the Shiba Inu, and the Keeshond.

    I reckon the Lhasa may get it.

    Where are the Otter-hounds!?
    Just as well that the XL Bully doesn't qualify as a Kennel Club breed, else we'd have more pearl-clutching than a whole oyster farm on here.
    I saw an XL Bully today. Kentish Town Road. About the size of a small bullock. He had a muzzle on which gave him the demeanour of Hannibal Lecter in that mask

    And fools like you think these dogs are just fine. They should all be exterminated, they only exist because of human evil
    I don't think they are just fine: simply that the legal focus on one breed is foolish when there are other dangerous dog breeds, including newly imported and even invented ones to bypass the laws.

    If you can't grasp the difference, when even the Kennel Club can't define it as a specific breed ...
    I've told you my answer. If there is a problem defining breed, then ban all dogs over a certain size, unless you have a special licence. Job done
    The simple solution is to require dog insurance, which would effectively price certain kinds of dogs out of existence.

    (H/t @Malmesbury, I believe)
    Do you know any efficient and cheap insurance companies who might be interested?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,461
    edited March 7

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    So, the utility group shortlist is the Akita, French bulldog, Lhasa Apso, miniature schnauzer, toy poodle, Tibetan spaniel, the Mexican hairless dog, the Shiba Inu, and the Keeshond.

    I reckon the Lhasa may get it.

    Where are the Otter-hounds!?
    Just as well that the XL Bully doesn't qualify as a Kennel Club breed, else we'd have more pearl-clutching than a whole oyster farm on here.
    I saw an XL Bully today. Kentish Town Road. About the size of a small bullock. He had a muzzle on which gave him the demeanour of Hannibal Lecter in that mask

    And fools like you think these dogs are just fine. They should all be exterminated, they only exist because of human evil
    I don't think they are just fine: simply that the legal focus on one breed is foolish when there are other dangerous dog breeds, including newly imported and even invented ones to bypass the laws.

    If you can't grasp the difference, when even the Kennel Club can't define it as a specific breed ...
    I've told you my answer. If there is a problem defining breed, then ban all dogs over a certain size, unless you have a special licence. Job done
    The simple solution is to require dog insurance, which would effectively price certain kinds of dogs out of existence.

    (H/t @Malmesbury, I believe)
    Do you know any efficient and cheap insurance companies who might be interested?
    It wasn't my idea originally. It might well have been @rcs1000 (!!)

    It seems like a fairly sensible solution.

    Dog chipped and insured = OK
    Dog not chipped and insured = Webley in 0.455
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,461

    Roger said:

    Rupert Lowe has whip withdrawn

    Reform now 4 mps

    A relief for the girls in his office by the sound of it
    I expect @TSE to warn about commenting on this story
    Why? It's an obvious hit job by Farage..😏
    Comments on such a subject are a ripe field for lawyers. And their Ferrari dealers.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,289
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    So, the utility group shortlist is the Akita, French bulldog, Lhasa Apso, miniature schnauzer, toy poodle, Tibetan spaniel, the Mexican hairless dog, the Shiba Inu, and the Keeshond.

    I reckon the Lhasa may get it.

    Where are the Otter-hounds!?
    Just as well that the XL Bully doesn't qualify as a Kennel Club breed, else we'd have more pearl-clutching than a whole oyster farm on here.
    I saw an XL Bully today. Kentish Town Road. About the size of a small bullock. He had a muzzle on which gave him the demeanour of Hannibal Lecter in that mask

    And fools like you think these dogs are just fine. They should all be exterminated, they only exist because of human evil
    I don't think they are just fine: simply that the legal focus on one breed is foolish when there are other dangerous dog breeds, including newly imported and even invented ones to bypass the laws.

    If you can't grasp the difference, when even the Kennel Club can't define it as a specific breed ...
    I've told you my answer. If there is a problem defining breed, then ban all dogs over a certain size, unless you have a special licence. Job done
    Great Danes and Mastiffs? It's not the size, it's the temperament.

    Bit like Tory v Ref I suppose.
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