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  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,839

    To be fair to Putin and his friends, they take a cut from selling natural resources but taxes are low.
    And there's very little woke to speak of. It's a great template from Trump's pov. No wonder he's in thrall.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,975
    A quite remarkable thread. Shocking in fact.

    1/ Donald Trump may be aiming to annex the Great Lakes – and possibly south-eastern Ontario in a maximalist scenario – and kick Canada out of NORAD, judging by first-hand accounts of talks between Canada and the Trump Administration. ⬇️

    https://x.com/chriso_wiki/status/1898019984623665325?s=46
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,281
    TimS said:

    A quite remarkable thread. Shocking in fact.

    1/ Donald Trump may be aiming to annex the Great Lakes – and possibly south-eastern Ontario in a maximalist scenario – and kick Canada out of NORAD, judging by first-hand accounts of talks between Canada and the Trump Administration. ⬇️

    https://x.com/chriso_wiki/status/1898019984623665325?s=46

    Life imitates art - https://youtu.be/t3874lxv4lI?si=70u6lQt560arrFN2
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,568
    Pulpstar said:

    Generally Russia pushing forward, particularly in the Kursk region right now. Not all bad for Ukraine as they've retaken some positions in Pokorvsk (sp?) and Torestk recently.

    If you look at a big map of Ukraine overall, neither side is going anywhere fast.
    The thing is that since the failed frontal assault in Zaporizhzhia oblast in 2023, Ukraine have gone back to fighting very much on the counter, as the side advancing takes heavier casualties. So, Russia grinding forward slowly at great cost has not been that indicative of Ukraine losing.

    Over a lot of the front, Russia has advanced merely a few miles in the last 18 months and when they hit a place that Ukraine defend, like Chasiv Yar, they have taken a bit over half of a town slightly bigger than Lyme Regis in a year.

    The advance on Pokrovsk and flanking towns is the significant exception, but even here the advance is on the scale of Stockport across country to the edge of Crewe to partially cut off free Chester, and the battle for Crewe, Sandbach and Alsager themselves is yet to commence.

    Ukraine have to watch themselves in Kursk with Russia advancing in Sumy oblast to try and encircle.

    But overall, unless the intelligence and weaponry changes change the balance of losses from Russian meat grinder tactics significantly, the continued attrition of slow advance (aka death let's remember) puts pressure on Russia.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,186
    @jimsciutto
    New: Ukrainians’ trust in Volodymyr Zelensky has risen significantly over the past month after the Ukrainian president was publicly berated by his US counterpart Donald Trump and Washington paused military aid to Kyiv.

    In a poll of 1,000 Ukrainians conducted last month by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology (KIIS), 57% of Ukrainians said they trust Zelensky, while 37% said they did not.

    But in a new poll, conducted by KIIS from February 14 to March 4, 67% of Ukrainians said they trust Zelensky – a 10% boost – while just 29% said they do not.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,768
    Sean_F said:

    That's is as maybe, but since Likud came to power in 1977, the West Bank Arabs have been treated like third class citizens in their own country.
    I don't doubt it for a minute.

    Israel seems to have adopted a "fuck it" strategy in its conflicts with the Arab world. The might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb approach. They did in 1947-8 when the Arab world went to war with them, they (Israel) began winning, so thought let's grab some land, and they have done ever since.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,839
    TOPPING said:

    I don't think many Palestinians, certainly the democratically-elected government of Gaza, wants a two-state solution.
    Neither do many Israelis. But both sides have to compromise to break the impasse and I see American leverage as the way it could one day happen. Not a cat's chance under this administration, it must be said. They are more likely to join in bombing Gaza than even mention a two state solution.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,856
    edited March 7
    TOPPING said:

    I don't think many Palestinians, certainly the democratically-elected government of Gaza, wants a two-state solution.
    Around a third, a couple of years ago. (Which is about the same proportion as Israelis.)
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution
    Who the hell knows now ?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,873
    TOPPING said:

    I don't doubt it for a minute.

    Israel seems to have adopted a "fuck it" strategy in its conflicts with the Arab world. The might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb approach. They did in 1947-8 when the Arab world went to war with them, they (Israel) began winning, so thought let's grab some land, and they have done ever since.
    At this point it looks more likely to become a regional hegemon than to be wiped out.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,839

    “Terrible, plus” could be the latest Trumpism.

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1898012609708015644

    South Africa is being terrible, plus, to long time Farmers in the country. They are confiscating their LAND and FARMS, and MUCH WORSE THAN THAT. A bad place to be right now, and we are stopping all Federal Funding. To go a step further, any Farmer (with family!) from South Africa, seeking to flee that country for reasons of safety, will be invited into the United States of America with a rapid pathway to Citizenship. This process will begin immediately!
    I can see Trump bombing South Africa if he can get all the white people out first.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,513
    kamski said:

    With Republicans now on 53 senators , and up to 3 of them willing to vote against Trump a net Dem gain of only 1 or 2 could still make a big difference
    The three who are willing to vote against Trump are: Susan Collins (who will lose at the midterms), Mitch McConnell (who probably won't stand for re-election), and Lisa Murkowski.

    So that only really leaves one come 2027.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,873
    kinabalu said:

    I can see Trump bombing South Africa if he can get all the white people out first.
    Take me home, country Rhodes.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,711
    edited March 7
    TimS said:

    A quite remarkable thread. Shocking in fact.

    1/ Donald Trump may be aiming to annex the Great Lakes – and possibly south-eastern Ontario in a maximalist scenario – and kick Canada out of NORAD, judging by first-hand accounts of talks between Canada and the Trump Administration. ⬇️

    https://x.com/chriso_wiki/status/1898019984623665325?s=46

    This more or less fits in with my thumbnail view of Trump's mindset.

    In geopolitics in the Americas, his heroes are from a period when the USA was obsessing about getting Canada, did buy Alaska then had a fight with Canada about the border, tried to buy Greenland, and started (McKinley) the Panama Canal.

    I don't know why he would be focused on those, but he is to McKinley as some of us are to Churchill or Lloyd George. Perhaps it came down the family, or he mollified himself with history in childhood.

    Since he never reads anything, has replaced all the experts who would save him from himself with mushrooms, and takes no interest in briefings, guess where he gets his dreams from?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,938

    Under those circumstances we would have to go towards on the Canadian side
    Yes, that would be the only option if anything other than economic war developed. Charles is supposed to be its Head of State.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,513

    At this point it looks more likely to become a regional hegemon than to be wiped out.
    Israel already is the regional hegemon, surely.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,839

    At this point it looks more likely to become a regional hegemon than to be wiped out.
    What if America cuts Israel off? Unlikely but we'd have said the same until recently about the US aligning with Russia against the West.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,398
    kinabalu said:

    What if America cuts Israel off? Unlikely but we'd have said the same until recently about the US aligning with Russia against the West.
    It'd be good for China?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,585
    kinabalu said:

    I can see Trump bombing South Africa if he can get all the white people out first.
    He's kicking out Ukrainian refugees to make way for South Africans?

  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,711
    edited March 7

    Ukraine was invaded, with the intention of taking over the entire country, killing or imprisoning the leaders of society and destroying Ukrainian culture - to turn the place into a Russian province.

    The Ukrainians faced an existential threat.

    Since then, they have not been offered, by Russia, anything other than complete surrender.

    So "encouraged to effectively take actions which will probably result in the collapse of their country and the deaths of many hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians" is demonstrably bullshit.
    Betz is a strange, idiosyncratic one. Some of his comments on Ukraine are obviously some way off reality.

    But he's of the view (supported by data on the numbers of "concerns" reported to Prevent) that the "Nativists" as he calls them are a bigger threat than the Islamists, who he thinks have culminated.

    The noisy rhetoric we tend to hear is nativists blaming *all* the Muslims.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_INZM98BAyk

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,839
    rcs1000 said:

    The three who are willing to vote against Trump are: Susan Collins (who will lose at the midterms), Mitch McConnell (who probably won't stand for re-election), and Lisa Murkowski.

    So that only really leaves one come 2027.
    Congress needs to start earning its corn. At the moment you could be forgiven for thinking America is a country ruled by a single maniacal individual doing press conferences, signing orders and writing social media posts.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,856
    Scott_xP said:

    Has somebody just told Trumpski that Russia can't hold out much monger?

    @annmarie

    Trump: “Based on the fact that Russia is absolutely “pounding” Ukraine on the battlefield right now, I am strongly considering large scale Banking Sanctions, Sanctions, and Tariffs on Russia until a Cease Fire and FINAL SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT ON PEACE IS REACHED.”

    https://x.com/annmarie/status/1898015853293010965

    There are already draconian sanctions and banking sanctions in Russia, for quite some time, with little or no effect on forcing them to negotiate peace.
    Unless Trump has recently lifted them without telling anyone, this is just bollocks.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,343
    edited March 7
    rcs1000 said:

    The three who are willing to vote against Trump are: Susan Collins (who will lose at the midterms), Mitch McConnell (who probably won't stand for re-election), and Lisa Murkowski.

    So that only really leaves one come 2027.
    So McConnell gets replaced by a Trump loyalist, Collins by a Democrat? So Dems need a net gain of 3 (including Collins) to block the most extreme Trump stuff in the Senate (50 Dems+Independents + Murkowski)? Assuming there's much left of US democracy by the end of next year...
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,518

    a

    The demented brutality of the army was noted through Soviet times. Resulting in a non-trivial death rate among conscripts.

    According to my stepmother, the Airforce was relatively sane. A Russian work colleague who worked on Backfire bombers said that it was a bit of a refuge - people would pull strings to do their conscription there.
    That reminds me of a joke an American military friend of mine told me about the difference between the army and the air force.

    A soldier gets deployed to a place and complained that he had to wake up at 4 am every day, do two hours of drill, struggle through a swamp and get eaten alive by mosquitoes, get shot at and then go on watch for twelve hours.

    An airman gets deployed to a place and complained that there was no air-conditioning.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,856
    rcs1000 said:

    There haven't been elections in almost 20 years in Gaza, so I'm not sure where your "democratically elected" line comes from.
    Half of Gaza's population was born since then.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,711

    Life imitates art - https://youtu.be/t3874lxv4lI?si=70u6lQt560arrFN2
    This will be darkly amusing if Trump's isolationist USA is the one that is isolated from Five Eyes.

    8/ Specifically, three issues have been raised:
    "He wanted to eject Canada out of an intelligence-sharing group known as the Five Eyes that also includes Britain, Australia and New Zealand.

    https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1898020000029413818
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,856
    MattW said:

    This more or less fits in with my thumbnail view of Trump's mindset.

    In geopolitics in the Americas, his heroes are from a period when the USA was obsessing about getting Canada, did buy Alaska then had a fight with Canada about the border, tried to buy Greenland, and started (McKinley) the Panama Canal.

    I don't know why he would be focused on those, but he is to McKinley as some of us are to Churchill or Lloyd George. Perhaps it came down the family, or he mollified himself with history in childhood.

    Since he never reads anything, has replaced all the experts who would save him from himself with mushrooms, and takes no interest in briefings, guess where he gets his dreams from?
    The 1890 tariffs were intended to force/encourage Canada to become part of the US.
    They had the opposite effect.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,623
    edited March 7
    So Trump blames Ukraine for not wanting peace, blames them for the war, punishes them by cutting off weapons and intelligence and his proxies trying to force out its president, and he is now acting surprised Russia has been taking advantage?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,585

    ‪Shashank Joshi‬ ‪@shashj.bsky.social‬
    ·
    16m
    Crikey. This is moving quicker than I expected. 'Poland must pursue the most advanced capabilities, including nuclear and modern unconventional weapons.'

    https://bsky.app/profile/shashj.bsky.social/post/3ljscagogzs2y
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,585
    kle4 said:

    So Trump blames Ukraine for not wanting peace, blames them for the war, punishes them by cutting of weapons and intelligence and his proxies trying to force out its president, and he is now acting surprised Russia has been taking advantage?

    Because his bestie, Putin, told Trump he was a pacifist and only wanted everyone to join hands and sing lullabies.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,873
    MattW said:

    This will be darkly amusing if Trump's isolationist USA is the one that is isolated from Five Eyes.

    8/ Specifically, three issues have been raised:
    "He wanted to eject Canada out of an intelligence-sharing group known as the Five Eyes that also includes Britain, Australia and New Zealand.

    https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1898020000029413818
    Wasn't one of the Snowden revelations that Britain and the US use intelligence sharing to get around their respective laws on spying on their own citizens? A breakdown in that arrangement could affect counter-terrorism or force a change in the law.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,623
    Sean_F said:

    You should be pleased that we’re owning responsibility for our defence, rather than relying on the USA.
    Its just classic goalpost switching. The idea russia is a threat even if not imminently about to invade the west is something several people pretend to be confused by despite there being nothing illogical about it.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,599
    kle4 said:

    So Trump blames Ukraine for not wanting peace, blames them for the war, punishes them by cutting off weapons and intelligence and his proxies trying to force out its president, and he is now acting surprised Russia has been taking advantage?

    Unless something disastrous happen to him, or he calms down as a result of events we've got four more years of this (less two months). And if something disastrous does happen the replacement is Vance.
    Not a happy prospect for the world.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,513


    ‪Shashank Joshi‬ ‪@shashj.bsky.social‬
    ·
    16m
    Crikey. This is moving quicker than I expected. 'Poland must pursue the most advanced capabilities, including nuclear and modern unconventional weapons.'

    https://bsky.app/profile/shashj.bsky.social/post/3ljscagogzs2y

    Well yes, the current Trump administration makes nuclear proliferation inevitable.

    And with more (and more unstable) countries getting the bomb, it's only a matter of time before someone detonates one of the things.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,343


    ‪Shashank Joshi‬ ‪@shashj.bsky.social‬
    ·
    16m
    Crikey. This is moving quicker than I expected. 'Poland must pursue the most advanced capabilities, including nuclear and modern unconventional weapons.'

    https://bsky.app/profile/shashj.bsky.social/post/3ljscagogzs2y

    Surely everyone will be looking to get nuclear weapons as soon as possible now, thanks to that utter shit Donald Trump.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,180
    Poland not messing about.

    In regard to the carriers, how many minutes until they are at the bottom of the ocean in an actual hot war?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,336
    TimS said:

    A quite remarkable thread. Shocking in fact.

    1/ Donald Trump may be aiming to annex the Great Lakes – and possibly south-eastern Ontario in a maximalist scenario – and kick Canada out of NORAD, judging by first-hand accounts of talks between Canada and the Trump Administration. ⬇️

    https://x.com/chriso_wiki/status/1898019984623665325?s=46

    What happens if Canada invokes article 5 (or whatever it is?) against the US?
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,613
    rcs1000 said:

    Putin penned an article on the first day of the invasion called "The Arrival of Russia and the New World" (Приход России и нового мира), which basically said that Ukraine is part of Russia. When the invasion got bogged down, the article was pulled.

    So, yes, I think we can conclude that Russia's plan -initially at least- was to reabsorb Ukraine.

    That doesn't look very likely now. But with over 600,000 casualties (which is equivalent to 15% of all Russian men between 18 and 24), one might equally ask the question, why are they still doing it?
    I would also note, to be fair to the “Russia is not as strong as it looks” crowd, that the Russian front line in Ukraine collapsed not once, but twice before they finally managed to stabilise the current front lines.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,873
    Poland is on a trajectory to overtake France as the foremost military power on the continent.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,711

    Wasn't one of the Snowden revelations that Britain and the US use intelligence sharing to get around their respective laws on spying on their own citizens? A breakdown in that arrangement could affect counter-terrorism or force a change in the law.
    Correct, yes.

    I'm a little interested in why Saudi and Israel (who were seeking to normalise relations until the Gaza conflict got in the way) are reportedly involved in "reduce intelligence to the USA" conversations and if it is with the non-compromised Five Eyes members.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,885

    There has been a lot of over-optomistic prediction of Russian collapse over the years here on PB, it has to be said.
    Putin's imminent death based on the evidence of his overenthusiastically botoxed facial injections was a particular high point.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,155
    kamski said:

    There are 35 Senate seats up for grabs.

    Only 7 are at all competitive. One of these is the Democrat held New Hampshire. It's quite significant for the Senate midterms if the Dems lose it.

    Sununu may in some ways be "moderate" but he's 100% backing Trump since a while back AFAIK
    Sununu backed Haley over Trump in the primaries is basically a Democrat in all but name on most issues anyway
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,585

    Poland is on a trajectory to overtake France as the foremost military power on the continent.

    Can you blame them?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,281

    Poland not messing about.

    In regard to the carriers, how many minutes until they are at the bottom of the ocean in an actual hot war?

    What are you going to sink them with?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,599
    edited March 7
    MattW said:

    Correct, yes.

    I'm a little interested in why Saudi and Israel (who were seeking to normalise relations until the Gaza conflict got in the way) are reportedly involved in "reduce intelligence to the USA" conversations and if it is with the non-compromised Five Eyes members.
    Well, they're two countries who've had most to do with Trump........
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,336

    Poland is on a trajectory to overtake France as the foremost military power on the continent.

    "When things settle down, Poland will be the regional superpower in Europe and will be able to dominate the local military space, far in excess of UK. " - viewcode, 2023/01/29

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/01/29/the-intermarium/
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,585
    rcs1000 said:

    Well yes, the current Trump administration makes nuclear proliferation inevitable.

    And with more (and more unstable) countries getting the bomb, it's only a matter of time before someone detonates one of the things.
    To be honest I am staggered that tactical nukes haven't been used by Putin in the Ukraine war.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,603

    Called it.
    The race for nukes is between Poland and Ukraine.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,763
    rcs1000 said:

    Well yes, the current Trump administration makes nuclear proliferation inevitable.

    And with more (and more unstable) countries getting the bomb, it's only a matter of time before someone detonates one of the things.
    When the history books are written in 50 years time - the greatest question that people won't get is how on earth did someone as inconsistent and unsuitable as Trump become President twice...
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,844

    There has been a lot of over-optomistic prediction of Russian collapse over the years here on PB, it has to be said.
    However, when the invasion started, I think the consensus was that if Ukraine could last two weeks it would have done better than expected. Certainly no-one expected Ukraine to launch a counter invasion.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,155

    Just off a call with a Hong Kong construction magnate.

    Have no doubt, the world is going to look very different in not many years. America turning in on itself and away from world trade is an opportunity China is not going to miss.

    Even Biden imposed tariffs on Chinese imports though, China has an excess for industry production and cheap goods exported abroad so we will see what Trump's tariffs do
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    viewcode said:

    "When things settle down, Poland will be the regional superpower in Europe and will be able to dominate the local military space, far in excess of UK. " - viewcode, 2023/01/29

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/01/29/the-intermarium/
    To be fair, Britain has never been the dominant power on the continent itself. Especially that far east.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,844
    viewcode said:

    "When things settle down, Poland will be the regional superpower in Europe and will be able to dominate the local military space, far in excess of UK. " - viewcode, 2023/01/29

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/01/29/the-intermarium/
    I remember that. One of my favourite headers.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,343
    eek said:

    When the history books are written in 50 years time - the greatest question that people won't get is how on earth did someone as inconsistent and unsuitable as Trump become President twice...
    If there's anyone writing (accurate) history books
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,599
    Cookie said:

    However, when the invasion started, I think the consensus was that if Ukraine could last two weeks it would have done better than expected. Certainly no-one expected Ukraine to launch a counter invasion.
    We haven't heard much about the Kerch Bridge lately. Have the Russians managed to ensure it's security?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    I suspect an actual military escalation against Canada would provoke a Civil War inside the U.S.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,281
    a

    To be honest I am staggered that tactical nukes haven't been used by Putin in the Ukraine war.
    Putin doesn’t want to die.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,839
    edited March 7
    Nigelb said:

    There are already draconian sanctions and banking sanctions in Russia, for quite some time, with little or no effect on forcing them to negotiate peace.
    Unless Trump has recently lifted them without telling anyone, this is just bollocks.
    It's just a random social media post to make sure he stays as the top story on the rolling news. Probably something had knocked him off for ten minutes and that he cannot have. And, lo, it works. It's getting reported as some big and meaningful development. Same with his "hell to pay" nonsense to Hamas yesterday. What can you do. He's like an untreatable virus.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,873
    viewcode said:

    "When things settle down, Poland will be the regional superpower in Europe and will be able to dominate the local military space, far in excess of UK. " - viewcode, 2023/01/29

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/01/29/the-intermarium/
    The founder of Stratfor used to predict that a Russian collapse would ultimately lead to war between Poland and Turkey.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,281

    The race for nukes is between Poland and Ukraine.
    Got a header to write….
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,155

    He's kicking out Ukrainian refugees to make way for South Africans?

    The Ukrainian Russian conflict is whites v whites mainly while whites are the minority in South Africa for white nationalist Trump
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    edited March 7
    One of the side effects of nuclear proliferation is that it makes the UK, France and the other confirmed nuclear powers relatively less powerful.

    The UK’s boast that it is is a “nuclear power” and “permanent member of the Security Council” is made hollow.

    Trump is a disaster.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,398
    edited March 7

    The race for nukes is between Poland and Ukraine.
    They should probably quietly co-operate. It may also be why Poland was on Biden b-list for compute.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    edited March 7
    I was told by (anti-Trump) Americans on my team that the Canadians “burned down the White House in 1814”, which made me ponder how much of national memory is actually quite ahistorical.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,236
    edited March 7

    One of the side effects of nuclear proliferation is that it makes the UK, France and the other confirmed nuclear powers relatively less powerful.

    The UK’s boast that it is is a “nuclear power” and “permanent member of the Security Council” is made hollow.

    Trump is a disaster.

    I'll be honest, I think having nukes and a prominent geopolitical position (Both geographically and politically re US bases, trident and so on) makes us more vulnerable than we otherwise would be if the shit hits the fan. To take your own roots, noone is going to nuke New Zealand if WW3 breaks out.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,856

    I was told by (anti-Trump) Americans on my team that the Canadians “burned down the White House in 1814”, which made me ponder how much of national memory is actually quite ahistorical.

    Be careful - you'll set TSE and MD at each other's throats again.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    edited March 7
    Pulpstar said:

    I'll be honest, I think having nukes and a prominent geopolitical position (Both geographically and politically re US bases, trident and so on) makes us more vulnerable than we otherwise would be if the shit hits the fan. To take your own roots, noone is going to nuke New Zealand if WW3 breaks out.
    But not because New Zealand “has no nukes”.

    In any case, you may well be wrong.
    Soviet plans actually revealed there WERE plans to nuke New Zealand.
  • kamski said:

    If there's anyone writing (accurate) history books
    More likely the history books will asking how did the agendaist left seize control of the institutions of the west with no-one noticing. Why was Trump the person who noticed when thousands who saw themselves as more able than him just let it pass. Unlike Starmer, Biden wasn't an obvious Rubicon that should not have been passed. The change in the UK will be more understated but in many ways more vicious against those who have stolen the state from the people.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,856
    Is art woke DEI now ?
    Otherwise, why ??

    DOT Secretary Sean Duffy has sent a letter to Mayor Bowser saying all "murals or other forms of artwork within the traveled way" should be removed in the interest of roadway safety. FWIW studies indicate roadway art reduces crashes.
    https://x.com/rachelweinerwp/status/1897784391008497809
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,794

    Because his bestie, Putin, told Trump he was a pacifist and only wanted everyone to join hands and sing lullabies.
    Ah, is that what they were doing in that Moscow hotel bedroom?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,873
    Nigelb said:

    Is art woke DEI now ?
    Otherwise, why ??

    DOT Secretary Sean Duffy has sent a letter to Mayor Bowser saying all "murals or other forms of artwork within the traveled way" should be removed in the interest of roadway safety. FWIW studies indicate roadway art reduces crashes.
    https://x.com/rachelweinerwp/status/1897784391008497809

    Jenrickism goes global.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,365
    kinabalu said:

    I can see President Musk bombing South Africa if he can get all the white people out first.
    FTFY
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,336

    The race for nukes is between Poland and Ukraine.
    (narrator: Russia has "given" Belarus some nukes. I don't know how heavily guarded they are)
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,794

    More likely the history books will asking how did the agendaist left seize control of the institutions of the west with no-one noticing. Why was Trump the person who noticed when thousands who saw themselves as more able than him just let it pass. Unlike Starmer, Biden wasn't an obvious Rubicon that should not have been passed. The change in the UK will be more understated but in many ways more vicious against those who have stolen the state from the people.
    Keep taking the tablets
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,255

    One of the side effects of nuclear proliferation is that it makes the UK, France and the other confirmed nuclear powers relatively less powerful.

    The UK’s boast that it is is a “nuclear power” and “permanent member of the Security Council” is made hollow.

    Trump is a disaster.

    I am not sure I am that concerned about Britain being less powerful in those terms. If I look around at the countries I admire, the Scandinavian states and Switzerland for example I think they are powerful and influential in their own ways without strutting about on the world stage.

    I have no issue with is having nukes and I think the seat on the Security Council is very useful, not least because it protects up from vexatious diplomatic attacks, but I would not consider it can national disaster if we were just considered as one more fortunate first world country.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,336
    Cookie said:

    I remember that. One of my favourite headers.
    Thank you! Most kind. :)
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,365
    HYUFD said:

    The Ukrainian Russian conflict is whites v whites mainly
    Wrong sort of whites?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,768
    rcs1000 said:

    There haven't been elections in almost 20 years in Gaza, so I'm not sure where your "democratically elected" line comes from.
    Was exactly my point. Jeez.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203

    I am not sure I am that concerned about Britain being less powerful in those terms. If I look around at the countries I admire, the Scandinavian states and Switzerland for example I think they are powerful and influential in their own ways without strutting about on the world stage.

    I have no issue with is having nukes and I think the seat on the Security Council is very useful, not least because it protects up from vexatious diplomatic attacks, but I would not consider it can national disaster if we were just considered as one more fortunate first world country.
    Those countries you admire have sheltered under a NATO defence umbrella.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,794
    I note that Donald Tusk has announced that all Polish males will receive basic military training. This seems very sensible.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,513
    TOPPING said:

    Was exactly my point. Jeez.
    My apologies, but you didn't use the irony or sarcasm tags, so I thought you were being serious.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,921
    Highgate retail sitrep

    A lot of shops that have been empty since the pando are suddenly open and even bustling

    Nice
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,873
    Thought for the day: what do the Tories and Reform have in common?

    In both cases their most effective politician is not the leader. Jenrick for the Tories and Lowe for Reform. Both of them probably see eye-to-eye on quite a lot. Could they team up, and if so, under which banner?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,365

    More likely the history books will asking how did the agendaist left seize control of the institutions of the west with no-one noticing. Why was Trump the person who noticed when thousands who saw themselves as more able than him just let it pass. Unlike Starmer, Biden wasn't an obvious Rubicon that should not have been passed. The change in the UK will be more understated but in many ways more vicious against those who have stolen the state from the people.
    I think you might need your AI equipment recalibrated. That made no sense whatsoever.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,711
    edited March 7
    kamski said:

    If there's anyone writing (accurate) history books
    I've had a bit of stick on PB for pointing out how this movement is an evolution of what has been there before in the self-perception of USA people and their religious, cultural and political history.

    The first book I read about Christianity in America was an historical survey from the Pilgrim Fathers onwards, in the mid-1980s, edited by an author called Mark Noll.

    In 1983 (new edition 1989) he with 2 others wrote a different book called "The Search for Christian America (TSFCA)", which had a focus on the Christian-right movements which tried to use Reagan to further their agenda (example: Jerry Falwell & The Moral Majority). And put it in the sweep of the USA's religious history.

    This piece is a chapter by chapter content outline and review of the book, published in 2024, in the light of the Trump movement.

    The reviewer draws a contrast between the Christian Authoritarianism (as embraced by those around Trump), and Christian toleration - the latter being his own view. Both streams have been in the USA since the start. You could frame it as "exclusive" and "inclusive", with icons of JD Vance and Bishop Budde.

    I found it informative.

    https://heidelblog.net/2024/04/review-the-search-for-christian-america-by-mark-a-noll-nathan-o-hatch-and-george-m-marsden/
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,839
    Leon said:

    Highgate retail sitrep

    A lot of shops that have been empty since the pando are suddenly open and even bustling

    Nice

    Did you see the offices of Fuse Energy?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,365
    Leon said:

    Highgate retail sitrep

    A lot of shops that have been empty since the pando are suddenly open and even bustling

    Nice

    Rachel Reeves's growth agenda is working then.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,856

    Jenrickism goes global.
    This is more random incompetent malignity than the targeted type.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,839

    Thought for the day: what do the Tories and Reform have in common?

    In both cases their most effective politician is not the leader. Jenrick for the Tories and Lowe for Reform. Both of them probably see eye-to-eye on quite a lot. Could they team up, and if so, under which banner?

    You're writing off Nigel Farage? This feels like a moment.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,281
    Pulpstar said:

    I'll be honest, I think having nukes and a prominent geopolitical position (Both geographically and politically re US bases, trident and so on) makes us more vulnerable than we otherwise would be if the shit hits the fan. To take your own roots, noone is going to nuke New Zealand if WW3 breaks out.
    During the Cold War, the New Zealanders believed that their anti-nuclear stance protected them.

    After the Cold War, it was revealed that the Soviet Union thought it was a lie and a trick. So just to be sure, they planned on nuking New Zealand, in a general nuclear exchange. The fallout levels would have been lethal across the islands for weeks, in addition to the complete destruction of all the population centres. Given the remoteness, and the probable complete collapse in trade, 100% extinction of human life in New Zealand was guaranteed.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,768
    rcs1000 said:

    My apologies, but you didn't use the irony or sarcasm tags, so I thought you were being serious.
    It is an interesting sub-thread - what do you do with a dictatorial government which has arrogated to itself the right to go to war on behalf of a people.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,365

    Jenrickism goes global.
    The destruction of art you say. The Trump administration becomes more like ISIS everyday.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,236
    edited March 7

    But not because New Zealand “has no nukes”.

    In any case, you may well be wrong.
    Soviet plans actually revealed there WERE plans to nuke New Zealand.
    Surely the guns will be on London and Paris before Auckland if push and shove come now though ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,856
    An unintended consequence of US chip technology restrictions.

    China is basically trying to produce the entire semiconductor supply chain domestically, which I don't think any country has tried to do before.

    Here are some key segments within the chip industry and examples of Chinese players..

    https://x.com/kyleichan/status/1898042192809054703
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,281
    edited March 7
    Pulpstar said:

    Surely the guns will be on London and Paris before Auckland if push and shove come now though ?
    Guns?

    My Sekrit plan to attack New Zealand uncovered!

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