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Punters largely unmoved by J.D. Vance’s recent [redacted adjective] behaviour – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,357
edited March 4 in General
Punters largely unmoved by J.D. Vance’s recent [redacted adjective] behaviour – politicalbetting.com

His performance in the Oval Office last Friday has gone down very badly with Brits but punters seem unmoved. Sadly I think punters are right, his behaviour will not damage him with American voters, although I think the GOP nominee in 2008 will somebody named Trump or somebody related to the current President.

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  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,824
    First!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,186
    I don't wish to alarm PBers but I have booked a foreign holiday starting the 30th of May and ends the 9th of June.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,200
    This story is barely even mentioned in US media, even CNN aren't mentioning Vance's comments, only UK media have picked it up

    https://edition.cnn.com/
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but I have booked a foreign holiday starting the 30th of May and ends the 9th of June.

    Nervously checks Nostradamus for the dates of Armageddon.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,999
    edited March 4
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    kle4 said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @kateferguson4

    NEW: Kemi Badenoch slapped down Alicia Kearns at shadow cabinet today, I’m told.

    Alicia had called for the Trump state visit to be postponed.

    Kemi said you can’t have shadow ministers freelancing on defence in the media, I’m told.

    She does have a point. I mean I think her position - and that of Starmer - is wrong. We should not be inviting Trump. But she is also right that all the parties need to hold a line. If you are minister or shadow minister then you stick to the party line or resign and have your say. Otherwise when the situation is reversed you can have no criticism when another minister decides that Trump should be invited and tells everyone so.
    It's an unpleasant shock to me that Alicia Kearns is even in the Shadow Cabinet. I mean wtf? Must have been felt wise to have her pissing outwards.
    Alicia Kearns is not in the Shadow Cabinet, not officially anyway. She's a shadow junior minister for foreign affairs. Priti is Shadow Foreign Secretary. Maybe Kearns attends Shadow Cabinet meetings or maybe the Twix is misleading.
    Politicians deliberately or otherwise confuse the two a lot. I remember Donelan talking about joining the Cabinet and given a date well before she actually was a Cabinet Member, based on an 'attends' Cabinet role.
    To be fair to politicians, sometimes the lesser roles are effectively Cabinet members but there is a statutory limit on the number of Cabinet-level salaries, aiui.
    Maybe, but I think that is overgenerous. Politicians are typically very conscious of status, they know the difference between someone who is a Scretary of State, and someone who is just attending the Cabinet meetings.

    In some cases I can buy it, as certain roles as usually but not always in Cabinet - I'm thinking AG or Chief Secretary to the Treasury I think.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    If the US wants to station nukes in the U.K., has anyone checked where they’re pointing or indeed if there’s a rocket under them at all?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,999
    Jonathan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but I have booked a foreign holiday starting the 30th of May and ends the 9th of June.

    Nervously checks Nostradamus for the dates of Armageddon.
    It's an ongoing event, several dates past and to come form part of it.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,724
    edited March 4
    kle4 said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    kle4 said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @kateferguson4

    NEW: Kemi Badenoch slapped down Alicia Kearns at shadow cabinet today, I’m told.

    Alicia had called for the Trump state visit to be postponed.

    Kemi said you can’t have shadow ministers freelancing on defence in the media, I’m told.

    She does have a point. I mean I think her position - and that of Starmer - is wrong. We should not be inviting Trump. But she is also right that all the parties need to hold a line. If you are minister or shadow minister then you stick to the party line or resign and have your say. Otherwise when the situation is reversed you can have no criticism when another minister decides that Trump should be invited and tells everyone so.
    It's an unpleasant shock to me that Alicia Kearns is even in the Shadow Cabinet. I mean wtf? Must have been felt wise to have her pissing outwards.
    Alicia Kearns is not in the Shadow Cabinet, not officially anyway. She's a shadow junior minister for foreign affairs. Priti is Shadow Foreign Secretary. Maybe Kearns attends Shadow Cabinet meetings or maybe the Twix is misleading.
    Politicians deliberately or otherwise confuse the two a lot. I remember Donelan talking about joining the Cabinet and given a date well before she actually was a Cabinet Member, based on an 'attends' Cabinet role.
    To be fair to politicians, sometimes the lesser roles are effectively Cabinet members but there is a statutory limit on the number of Cabinet-level salaries, aiui.
    Maybe, but I think that is overgenerous. Politicians are typically very conscious of status, they know the difference between someone who is a Scretary of State, and someone who is just attending the Cabinet meetings.
    Some are ambiguous. Chief Secretary is sometimes officially a Cabinet Minister and sometimes not. The status is about the same.

    I am being a pedant, but this is PB.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,856
    FPT:

    It seems that Downing Street spoke to Zelensky this afternoon, before his latest statement.

    Mandy is a highly experienced fixer, and he may now be playing a global role.

    Starmer, is for a while, at the centre of things.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,882
    Chance of a recession in the USA up to 43%

    Well done Trumpdozer.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1896973647333704140?s=61
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,724
    WhisperingOracle said:

    FPT:

    It seems that Downing Street spoke to Zelensky this afternoon, before his latest statement.

    Mandy is a highly experienced fixer, and he may now be playing a global role.

    Starmer, is for a while, at the centre of things.

    Lord Mandelson ends up God Emperor of mankind?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,972
    Jonathan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but I have booked a foreign holiday starting the 30th of May and ends the 9th of June.

    Nervously checks Nostradamus for the dates of Armageddon.
    I believe he predicted Paris would be destroyed by "darts from the skies".

    Macron taking one for the team there.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,882
    Andrew Neil’s monologue from today.

    I know a few people don’t like him due to his view on Indy and a few other things.

    However this bears reading and his final paragraph is quite correct.

    https://x.com/afneil/status/1896975997414576473?s=61
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,882
    MarqueeMark said:

    Jonathan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but I have booked a foreign holiday starting the 30th of May and ends the 9th of June.

    Nervously checks Nostradamus for the dates of Armageddon.
    I believe he predicted Paris would be destroyed by "darts from the skies".

    Macron taking one for the team there.
    Fortunately for them the BDO has disbanded.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,075
    Oh

    https://x.com/AdamKinzinger/status/1896958113024237800
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,566
    Taz said:

    Chance of a recession in the USA up to 43%

    Well done Trumpdozer.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1896973647333704140?s=61

    I'd put the chances as much higher.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,075
    @ELaserDavies

    News: The Trump administration has walked back its directive to fire probationary employees.

    The reversal comes less than a week after a federal judge ruled that the terminations were probably illegal and after thousands of probationary employees were already let go.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,075
    Trumpski says he will increase tariffs on Canada even more

    How long till Canada just shut off electricity and oil supplies completely?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,972
    rkrkrk said:

    Taz said:

    Chance of a recession in the USA up to 43%

    Well done Trumpdozer.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1896973647333704140?s=61

    I'd put the chances as much higher.
    He probably thinks Putin's 21% interest rate are a macho thing.

    "I can beat that...."
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    Scott_xP said:

    Trumpski says he will increase tariffs on Canada even more

    How long till Canada just shut off electricity and oil supplies completely?

    He’s is mad enough to march his troops north and seize control.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,123
    rkrkrk said:

    Taz said:

    Chance of a recession in the USA up to 43%

    Well done Trumpdozer.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1896973647333704140?s=61

    I'd put the chances as much higher.
    A preview of the arguments that will be used:

    The technical recession is based on the Biased Biden numbers which measure the fake economy not the Trusted Trump numbers which show the progress of the real economy.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,724
    MarqueeMark said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Taz said:

    Chance of a recession in the USA up to 43%

    Well done Trumpdozer.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1896973647333704140?s=61

    I'd put the chances as much higher.
    He probably thinks Putin's 21% interest rate are a macho thing.

    "I can beat that...."
    “I have made every American a millionaire”.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,005
    Melania 2028?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    edited March 4
    A lot of bad news around at the moment, so if anyone needs cheering up, try this. Unbeknownst to most, country legend Glen Campbell made an absolutely superb cover version of Green Day's "Time of Your Life"

    To my mind maybe one of the best cover versions of any song ever, he took it and made it perfect


    https://youtu.be/jkORS34Lep0?si=EHAaiL3g-RN90PdI

    And if that's not enough, while searching for this video, I found another cover version of the same song, which - tho not quite as good - does feature a ravishingly pretty girl with a gorgeous voice.


    https://youtu.be/LMlIgyhR-N8?si=DGz6Cihrzv46N0l7

    Courage. We shall endure
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,186
    logical_song said:

    Melania 2028?

    Don Trump Jr, Jared Kushner, or Don Trump Sr.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,182
    edited March 4
    I still don't really get the Canada tariff thing. I totally get Mexico, Chayna, and even the EU to an extent. I am actually open to there being an end game - there has often been method in the madness previously. I'm also open to it being pure caprice, but I usually think Trump is after 'a deal' of some sort.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,996
    Jonathan said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Trumpski says he will increase tariffs on Canada even more

    How long till Canada just shut off electricity and oil supplies completely?

    He’s is mad enough to march his troops north and seize control.
    Would that be the point the generals refuse orders and he's dragged off?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,502
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    logical_song said:

    Melania 2028?

    Don Trump Jr, Jared Kushner, or Don Trump Sr.
    Kushner appears sane by comparison. Eric?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641
    Scott_xP said:

    @ELaserDavies

    News: The Trump administration has walked back its directive to fire probationary employees.

    The reversal comes less than a week after a federal judge ruled that the terminations were probably illegal and after thousands of probationary employees were already let go.

    Elon Musk probably considers this a feature. If the wrong people are fired, they can be rehired. If the wrong departments are closed, they can be reopened. It is what his companies do – try something new and if it doesn't work, go back to the old way. Musk even referred to his reversed ending of Ebola research at that Cabinet meeting where the other Vice President was allowed to say about 10 words near the end.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,252
    logical_song said:

    Melania 2028?

    Don't even joke about such things.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,972
    Leon said:

    A lot of bad news around at the moment, so if anyone needs cheering up, try this. Unbeknownst to most, country legend Glen Campbell made an absolutely superb cover version of Green Day's "Time of Your Life"

    To my mind maybe one of the best cover versions of any song ever, he took it and made it perfect


    https://youtu.be/jkORS34Lep0?si=EHAaiL3g-RN90PdI

    And if that's not enough, while searching for this video, I found another cover version of the same song, which - tho not quite as good - does feature a ravishingly pretty girl with a gorgeous voice.


    https://youtu.be/LMlIgyhR-N8?si=DGz6Cihrzv46N0l7

    Courage. We shall endure

    Johnny Cash - Hurt wins out for me.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,242
    edited March 4
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    I still don't really get the Canada tariff thing. I totally get Mexico, Chayna, and even the EU to an extent. I am actually open to there being an end game - there has often been method in the madness previously. I'm also open to it being pure caprice, but I usually think Trump is after 'a deal' of some sort.

    His end game is Canada being the 51st state. And will apply economic pressure in the hope they submit.

    He tells us this frequently. Believe him.
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,136
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but I have booked a foreign holiday starting the 30th of May and ends the 9th of June.

    So have I - cruising the Norwegian fjords.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641
    Soaring UK crime costing up to £250bn a year, says thinktank
    Policy Exchange report blames austerity for breakdown in policing and criminal justice
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/mar/03/soaring-uk-crime-cost-up-policy-exchange-policing-prisons

    Note to Kemi – if you raise this at PMQs, Starmer will say it is your lot's fault. OK, when you raise this at PMQs.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,972
    biggles said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Taz said:

    Chance of a recession in the USA up to 43%

    Well done Trumpdozer.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1896973647333704140?s=61

    I'd put the chances as much higher.
    He probably thinks Putin's 21% interest rate are a macho thing.

    "I can beat that...."
    “I have made every American a millionaire”.
    "If Zimbabwe can make everyone a trillionaire...."
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,824
    Ratters said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    I still don't really get the Canada tariff thing. I totally get Mexico, Chayna, and even the EU to an extent. I am actually open to there being an end game - there has often been method in the madness previously. I'm also open to it being pure caprice, but I usually think Trump is after 'a deal' of some sort.

    His end game is Canada being the 51st state. And will apply economic pressure in the hope they submit.

    He tells us this frequently. Believe him.
    Has he not noticed just how much more left wing Canada is than the US?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,737
    edited March 4
    rkrkrk said:

    Taz said:

    Chance of a recession in the USA up to 43%

    Well done Trumpdozer.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1896973647333704140?s=61

    I'd put the chances as much higher.
    Q1 is a nailed on reduction in GDP. Whether there is any recovery in Q2 will depend whether Trump is willing to undo many of the idiocies in Q1. My betting would be not. I suspect DOGE will still be running riot and the US will continue to fall out with all its erstwhile friends as well as its enemies (Russia excepted, natch).
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,075
    @Olivia_Beavers
    Newsy: NRCC Chair Richard Hudson just very dramatically told members to put down their phones and listen, per source in room.

    He said no one should be doing town halls. Likened it to 2017, said the protests at town halls and district offices are going to get even worse. Another congresswoman got up and complained that they’ve been picketing at her house and targeting her kid, this source says
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,134
    slade said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but I have booked a foreign holiday starting the 30th of May and ends the 9th of June.

    So have I - cruising the Norwegian fjords.
    Hmm. You might be safe there. For a while.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,123
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Jonathan said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Trumpski says he will increase tariffs on Canada even more

    How long till Canada just shut off electricity and oil supplies completely?

    He’s is mad enough to march his troops north and seize control.
    At that point (if it happens and I don't think it will) Starmer has to come off the fence. Full support for Canada come what may. The USA officially becomes an enemy state.
    It would effectively become a North American civil war at that point with many states sympathetic to Canada.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,242
    rcs1000 said:

    Ratters said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    I still don't really get the Canada tariff thing. I totally get Mexico, Chayna, and even the EU to an extent. I am actually open to there being an end game - there has often been method in the madness previously. I'm also open to it being pure caprice, but I usually think Trump is after 'a deal' of some sort.

    His end game is Canada being the 51st state. And will apply economic pressure in the hope they submit.

    He tells us this frequently. Believe him.
    Has he not noticed just how much more left wing Canada is than the US?
    Do you think the views of voters matter in a world where he's succeeded in this goal?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,075
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Musk even referred to his reversed ending of Ebola research at that Cabinet meeting where the other Vice President was allowed to say about 10 words near the end.

    He didn't of course reverse it. They still have no funding
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,824
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    I still don't really get the Canada tariff thing. I totally get Mexico, Chayna, and even the EU to an extent. I am actually open to there being an end game - there has often been method in the madness previously. I'm also open to it being pure caprice, but I usually think Trump is after 'a deal' of some sort.

    The tariffs will be removed, he said, when fentanyl deaths in the US fall meaningfully.

    As the traffic in fentanyl is entirely in the other direction, it's unclear how Canada is supposed to help with this goal.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,972
    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I don't wish to alarm PBers but I have booked a foreign holiday starting the 30th of May and ends the 9th of June.

    Feck, there is no way my bunker is going to be fully operational by then.
    It's Scotland - he won't risk his golf course. 19th hole will be safest place there is.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,000
    Scott_xP said:

    @ELaserDavies

    News: The Trump administration has walked back its directive to fire probationary employees.

    The reversal comes less than a week after a federal judge ruled that the terminations were probably illegal and after thousands of probationary employees were already let go.

    Hold on aren't employees in their probationary period precisely the ones that can be fired ? Even under UK law ?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,737
    rcs1000 said:

    Ratters said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    I still don't really get the Canada tariff thing. I totally get Mexico, Chayna, and even the EU to an extent. I am actually open to there being an end game - there has often been method in the madness previously. I'm also open to it being pure caprice, but I usually think Trump is after 'a deal' of some sort.

    His end game is Canada being the 51st state. And will apply economic pressure in the hope they submit.

    He tells us this frequently. Believe him.
    Has he not noticed just how much more left wing Canada is than the US?
    Yes, it is also enormous. It would be the 51st -55th States and any hope that the Republicans could hold the Senate or indeed Congress would be slight indeed. He doesn't even make sense in his own terms.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,075
    @ForecasterEnten

    Trump's overall net approval & on the economy are "historically awful... weak, weak, weak" going into a 1st address to Congress.

    He has the 2nd worst net approval rating (+1 pts) on record. Beating only himself (2017). His net approval on the economy (-4 pts) is the worst.

    https://x.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1896968427430195296
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641
    OT bad news for PB computer nerds:-

    Notice: The owner of ip4.me/ip6.me, Kevin Loch, passed away.
    The Kevin M Loch Estate will be shutting down Kevin's websites in the near future [1st of April].
    https://ip4.me/
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,000
    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ratters said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    I still don't really get the Canada tariff thing. I totally get Mexico, Chayna, and even the EU to an extent. I am actually open to there being an end game - there has often been method in the madness previously. I'm also open to it being pure caprice, but I usually think Trump is after 'a deal' of some sort.

    His end game is Canada being the 51st state. And will apply economic pressure in the hope they submit.

    He tells us this frequently. Believe him.
    Has he not noticed just how much more left wing Canada is than the US?
    Yes, it is also enormous. It would be the 51st -55th States and any hope that the Republicans could hold the Senate or indeed Congress would be slight indeed. He doesn't even make sense in his own terms.
    Yes, best to make it a territory like Puerto Rico tbh
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,999
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    logical_song said:

    Melania 2028?

    Don Trump Jr, Jared Kushner, or Don Trump Sr.
    Don Jr is a putz, I'd put more money on Barron (despite his age) if Don Snr had a say in the matter. But if the big man should die I would think Jr would try his luck.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,075
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    I just had a thought. After so many years of predicting the end of the world on so many different occasions and with so many different causes, wouldn't it be ironic if Leon, by dint of his pro-Trump bias, actually missed foretelling the real one.

    Leon being tragically and spectacularly wrong about something?

    Round here we call that Tuesday...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,999
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    I still don't really get the Canada tariff thing. I totally get Mexico, Chayna, and even the EU to an extent. I am actually open to there being an end game - there has often been method in the madness previously. I'm also open to it being pure caprice, but I usually think Trump is after 'a deal' of some sort.

    I don't think anyone really gets it. The desperate flailings of some of his people to make serious the 51st state stuff feels inauthentic, as if even they don't really understand why they are doing it. Most of the rest people may disagree with but can explain based on his previous positions and worldview at least.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,882
    Curb your tariffs.

    Quite amusing.

    https://x.com/armanddoma/status/1896729531005976608?s=61
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,999
    edited March 4
    rcs1000 said:

    Ratters said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    I still don't really get the Canada tariff thing. I totally get Mexico, Chayna, and even the EU to an extent. I am actually open to there being an end game - there has often been method in the madness previously. I'm also open to it being pure caprice, but I usually think Trump is after 'a deal' of some sort.

    His end game is Canada being the 51st state. And will apply economic pressure in the hope they submit.

    He tells us this frequently. Believe him.
    Has he not noticed just how much more left wing Canada is than the US?
    Based on reversal of polling trends it is getting more left wing every time Trump opens his mouth, much to the chagrin of Pierre Pollievre.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,956
    Leon said:

    A lot of bad news around at the moment, so if anyone needs cheering up, try this. Unbeknownst to most, country legend Glen Campbell made an absolutely superb cover version of Green Day's "Time of Your Life"

    To my mind maybe one of the best cover versions of any song ever, he took it and made it perfect


    https://youtu.be/jkORS34Lep0?si=EHAaiL3g-RN90PdI

    And if that's not enough, while searching for this video, I found another cover version of the same song, which - tho not quite as good - does feature a ravishingly pretty girl with a gorgeous voice.


    https://youtu.be/LMlIgyhR-N8?si=DGz6Cihrzv46N0l7

    Courage. We shall endure

    On covers Bryan Ferry does a lovely version of Back to Black in Jazz age fashion. Heresy but I get more from BF and Roxy than I do from Bowie nowadays.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,927
    Scott_xP said:

    @Olivia_Beavers
    Newsy: NRCC Chair Richard Hudson just very dramatically told members to put down their phones and listen, per source in room.

    He said no one should be doing town halls. Likened it to 2017, said the protests at town halls and district offices are going to get even worse. Another congresswoman got up and complained that they’ve been picketing at her house and targeting her kid, this source says

    Why worry about voters when you can just fake future elections?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,000
    edited March 4
    Mandy's pronouncements that big Z needs to get back to the WH asap to do a deal seem to be bearing out. Everyone (Ukraine, Russia, USA, Europe itself) knows Europe isn't up to the job of being able to provide sufficient meaningful guarantees for Ukraine despite the show of solidarity in public, hence Zelensky's X today.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,737
    edited March 4
    Leon said:

    A lot of bad news around at the moment, so if anyone needs cheering up, try this. Unbeknownst to most, country legend Glen Campbell made an absolutely superb cover version of Green Day's "Time of Your Life"

    To my mind maybe one of the best cover versions of any song ever, he took it and made it perfect


    https://youtu.be/jkORS34Lep0?si=EHAaiL3g-RN90PdI

    And if that's not enough, while searching for this video, I found another cover version of the same song, which - tho not quite as good - does feature a ravishingly pretty girl with a gorgeous voice.


    https://youtu.be/LMlIgyhR-N8?si=DGz6Cihrzv46N0l7

    Courage. We shall endure

    They're both very good but that's because it is a great song. My favourite remains the original. Green day were superb musicians as well

    This is magnificent:https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=green day time of your life videos&view=detail&mid=372DD26E6F1E453A637C372DD26E6F1E453A637C&ajaxhist=0
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,724
    Pulpstar said:

    Mandy's pronouncements that big Z needs to get back to the WH asap to do a deal seem to be bearing out. Everyone (Ukraine, Russia, USA, Europe itself) knows Europe isn't up to the job of being able to provide sufficient meaningful guarantees for Ukraine despite the show of solidarity in public, hence Zelensky's X today.

    If he goes, Starmer or Macron should go with him.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,999
    Pulpstar said:

    Mandy's pronouncements that big Z needs to get back to the WH asap to do a deal seem to be bearing out. Everyone (Ukraine, Russia, USA) knows Europe isn't up to the job of being able to provide sufficient meaningful guarantees for Ukraine despite the show of solidarity in public, hence Zelensky's X today.

    Worth rememberinghow crappy even that 'deal' seems to be. Yet it was going to be signed, limited options, before the staged ambush to make extra sure the american public would hate Zelensky and accept Ukraine being treated like dirt for having the arrogance to try to resist invasion rather than just giving up in the name of 'peace'.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,882
    rkrkrk said:

    Taz said:

    Chance of a recession in the USA up to 43%

    Well done Trumpdozer.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1896973647333704140?s=61

    I'd put the chances as much higher.
    Given the trajectory on that chart it already will be.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,927
    rcs1000 said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    I still don't really get the Canada tariff thing. I totally get Mexico, Chayna, and even the EU to an extent. I am actually open to there being an end game - there has often been method in the madness previously. I'm also open to it being pure caprice, but I usually think Trump is after 'a deal' of some sort.

    The tariffs will be removed, he said, when fentanyl deaths in the US fall meaningfully.

    As the traffic in fentanyl is entirely in the other direction, it's unclear how Canada is supposed to help with this goal.
    Clearly Canadians need to smoke more fentanyl themselves to reduce available supply for the Mericans.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,766
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    I still don't really get the Canada tariff thing. I totally get Mexico, Chayna, and even the EU to an extent. I am actually open to there being an end game - there has often been method in the madness previously. I'm also open to it being pure caprice, but I usually think Trump is after 'a deal' of some sort.

    Trump sees tariffs as a source of revenue, which also boosts domestic industry. Win/win. Which contradicts a further supposed third aim of tariffs as leverage. In the first two cases you want to keep them permanently and therefore have no leverage.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,000
    noneoftheabove said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Mandy's pronouncements that big Z needs to get back to the WH asap to do a deal seem to be bearing out. Everyone (Ukraine, Russia, USA, Europe itself) knows Europe isn't up to the job of being able to provide sufficient meaningful guarantees for Ukraine despite the show of solidarity in public, hence Zelensky's X today.

    What do sufficient and meaningful guarantees look like from the Trumpian USA? Policy can change at a whim morning to afternoon, why would anyone believe their guarantees over a ten or twenty year period?
    Trump is going to be doing deals with Russia too once the war is over. When everyone is happily making bank in Ukraine and Putin has his May day victory parade the wars won't continue.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,927
    edited March 4
    Pulpstar said:

    noneoftheabove said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Mandy's pronouncements that big Z needs to get back to the WH asap to do a deal seem to be bearing out. Everyone (Ukraine, Russia, USA, Europe itself) knows Europe isn't up to the job of being able to provide sufficient meaningful guarantees for Ukraine despite the show of solidarity in public, hence Zelensky's X today.

    What do sufficient and meaningful guarantees look like from the Trumpian USA? Policy can change at a whim morning to afternoon, why would anyone believe their guarantees over a ten or twenty year period?
    Trump is going to be doing deals with Russia too once the war is over. When everyone is happily making bank in Ukraine and Putin has his May day victory parade the wars won't continue.
    He is addicted to drama. Steady long terms deals aren't going to massage his ego - see Canada.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,882
    Tariffs latest !!

    Where does this all end up ?

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1896958095424729133?s=61
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,882
    On the plus side Netflix have released the latest in their $100 million deal with Harry and Meghan to deliver solid gold rating winners.

    With Love……Meghan

    Something to cheer you up in a troubled world
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    Scott_xP said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    I just had a thought. After so many years of predicting the end of the world on so many different occasions and with so many different causes, wouldn't it be ironic if Leon, by dint of his pro-Trump bias, actually missed foretelling the real one.

    Leon being tragically and spectacularly wrong about something?

    Round here we call that Tuesday...
    I have found a video of PB on tour in the Geekmobile

    I genuinely like to think this is what we'd look and sound like if we all got in a bus and did an American roadtrip playing songs. The lead singer in the Floyd tee shirt is obviously @rcs1000. I am the handsome guy on the right in the baseball cap; I am pretty sure that's @kinabalu singing falsetto with insane curly hair on the left, and @kle4 is hiding on the far left doing keyboards

    Richard Tyndall looking quietly cool on bass there, at the back

    And @SeaShantyIrish2 reappears to do percussion on the right, good to see him fit and well

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy1nPA9tBjQ
  • eekeek Posts: 29,394
    noneoftheabove said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    I still don't really get the Canada tariff thing. I totally get Mexico, Chayna, and even the EU to an extent. I am actually open to there being an end game - there has often been method in the madness previously. I'm also open to it being pure caprice, but I usually think Trump is after 'a deal' of some sort.

    The tariffs will be removed, he said, when fentanyl deaths in the US fall meaningfully.

    As the traffic in fentanyl is entirely in the other direction, it's unclear how Canada is supposed to help with this goal.
    Clearly Canadians need to smoke more fentanyl themselves to reduce available supply for the Mericans.
    I don't think it's fentanyl that Canada need to smoke to work out what's going on - it's going to require strong hallucinogenics (ones that probably don't exist yet) for what Trump is doing to make sense.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,394
    noneoftheabove said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Mandy's pronouncements that big Z needs to get back to the WH asap to do a deal seem to be bearing out. Everyone (Ukraine, Russia, USA, Europe itself) knows Europe isn't up to the job of being able to provide sufficient meaningful guarantees for Ukraine despite the show of solidarity in public, hence Zelensky's X today.

    What do sufficient and meaningful guarantees look like from the Trumpian USA? Policy can change at a whim morning to afternoon, why would anyone believe their guarantees over a ten or twenty year period?
    I wouldn't trust Trump not to change his mind one second to the next. I mean you only have to be perceived to have looked at him incorrectly for Trump to change his mind.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,157
    MarqueeMark said:

    Leon said:

    A lot of bad news around at the moment, so if anyone needs cheering up, try this. Unbeknownst to most, country legend Glen Campbell made an absolutely superb cover version of Green Day's "Time of Your Life"

    To my mind maybe one of the best cover versions of any song ever, he took it and made it perfect


    https://youtu.be/jkORS34Lep0?si=EHAaiL3g-RN90PdI

    And if that's not enough, while searching for this video, I found another cover version of the same song, which - tho not quite as good - does feature a ravishingly pretty girl with a gorgeous voice.


    https://youtu.be/LMlIgyhR-N8?si=DGz6Cihrzv46N0l7

    Courage. We shall endure

    Johnny Cash - Hurt wins out for me.
    Pet Shop Boys - Always On My Mind.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,134
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    I just had a thought. After so many years of predicting the end of the world on so many different occasions and with so many different causes, wouldn't it be ironic if Leon, by dint of his pro-Trump bias, actually missed foretelling the real one.

    Leon being tragically and spectacularly wrong about something?

    Round here we call that Tuesday...
    I have found a video of PB on tour in the Geekmobile

    I genuinely like to think this is what we'd look and sound like if we all got in a bus and did an American roadtrip playing songs. The lead singer in the Floyd tee shirt is obviously @rcs1000. I am the handsome guy on the right in the baseball cap; I am pretty sure that's @kinabalu singing falsetto with insane curly hair on the left, and @kle4 is hiding on the far left doing keyboards

    Richard Tyndall looking quietly cool on bass there, at the back

    And @SeaShantyIrish2 reappears to do percussion on the right, good to see him fit and well

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy1nPA9tBjQ
    Josh Turner is one of my favourite youtube artists. I have lost count of how many times I have watched this very video. Their version of Baby Driver is also brilliant.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    A lot of bad news around at the moment, so if anyone needs cheering up, try this. Unbeknownst to most, country legend Glen Campbell made an absolutely superb cover version of Green Day's "Time of Your Life"

    To my mind maybe one of the best cover versions of any song ever, he took it and made it perfect


    https://youtu.be/jkORS34Lep0?si=EHAaiL3g-RN90PdI

    And if that's not enough, while searching for this video, I found another cover version of the same song, which - tho not quite as good - does feature a ravishingly pretty girl with a gorgeous voice.


    https://youtu.be/LMlIgyhR-N8?si=DGz6Cihrzv46N0l7

    Courage. We shall endure

    They're both very good but that's because it is a great song. My favourite remains the original. Green day were superb musicians as well

    This is magnificent:https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=green day time of your life videos&view=detail&mid=372DD26E6F1E453A637C372DD26E6F1E453A637C&ajaxhist=0
    It is a fantastic song, it's one of those eternal tunes, with touching lyrics and poignant sentiments, which is almost indestructible. ie it's hard to find a BAD version of it

    Still think Glen just edges it with his country and blue grass tinge

    I wonder how much Green Day have made out of that one spectacular song? Millions, I expect
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,882
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    I just had a thought. After so many years of predicting the end of the world on so many different occasions and with so many different causes, wouldn't it be ironic if Leon, by dint of his pro-Trump bias, actually missed foretelling the real one.

    Leon being tragically and spectacularly wrong about something?

    Round here we call that Tuesday...
    I have found a video of PB on tour in the Geekmobile

    I genuinely like to think this is what we'd look and sound like if we all got in a bus and did an American roadtrip playing songs. The lead singer in the Floyd tee shirt is obviously @rcs1000. I am the handsome guy on the right in the baseball cap; I am pretty sure that's @kinabalu singing falsetto with insane curly hair on the left, and @kle4 is hiding on the far left doing keyboards

    Richard Tyndall looking quietly cool on bass there, at the back

    And @SeaShantyIrish2 reappears to do percussion on the right, good to see him fit and well

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy1nPA9tBjQ
    I’d have thought this is more our PB crew on tour.

    Lyrics from Kinabalu. Maybe !!

    https://youtu.be/se-didBGn8A?si=GwBkZcznocNT4dIb
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,502
    biggles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Mandy's pronouncements that big Z needs to get back to the WH asap to do a deal seem to be bearing out. Everyone (Ukraine, Russia, USA, Europe itself) knows Europe isn't up to the job of being able to provide sufficient meaningful guarantees for Ukraine despite the show of solidarity in public, hence Zelensky's X today.

    If he goes, Starmer or Macron should go with him.

    Doesn't Boris deserve his Churchillian moment in the sun? Trump, Vance, Boris and Zelensky would all go for that.

    And I am not taking the piss.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,996
    On topic, I do wonder if AOC is a bit of a better bet than might otherwise be as an outsider given normally of course she'd never stand a cat in hell's chance but...the Dems are liable to be radicalised by Trump, Vance, and Musk.

    I simply can't see a moderate Democrat except Buttigieg and maybe Prittzker living with the scale of anger in Blue America. She's the most effective and prominent of the more radical wing that may be the beneficiaries of a tea party-style revolt now Sanders is too old.

    Plus, given the likely efforts of the Republicans to tilt an election in their favour, it may take a major crisis to elect a Democrat - so if you're picking one to go for it might as well be the long odds radical over one of the traditional-style party decides picks.

    Of course that doesn't mean the most likely winner is whoever is annointed Trumpism's heir when you assume they aren't likely to allow a fully free and fair election in any true sense unless the project collapses. But then, if you think there's a real chance of that happening given the chaotic first six weeks then it probably won't be a moderate Democrat who is the beneficiary unless they're also very articulate and aggressive in denouncing Trump.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,999
    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    A lot of bad news around at the moment, so if anyone needs cheering up, try this. Unbeknownst to most, country legend Glen Campbell made an absolutely superb cover version of Green Day's "Time of Your Life"

    To my mind maybe one of the best cover versions of any song ever, he took it and made it perfect


    https://youtu.be/jkORS34Lep0?si=EHAaiL3g-RN90PdI

    And if that's not enough, while searching for this video, I found another cover version of the same song, which - tho not quite as good - does feature a ravishingly pretty girl with a gorgeous voice.


    https://youtu.be/LMlIgyhR-N8?si=DGz6Cihrzv46N0l7

    Courage. We shall endure

    They're both very good but that's because it is a great song. My favourite remains the original. Green day were superb musicians as well

    This is magnificent:https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=green day time of your life videos&view=detail&mid=372DD26E6F1E453A637C372DD26E6F1E453A637C&ajaxhist=0
    It is a fantastic song, it's one of those eternal tunes, with touching lyrics and poignant sentiments, which is almost indestructible. ie it's hard to find a BAD version of it

    Still think Glen just edges it with his country and blue grass tinge

    I wonder how much Green Day have made out of that one spectacular song? Millions, I expect
    Until today I would have assumed Glen Campbell was long dead before Green Day were a thing. I guess that's both he was not as long ago as I thought, and they are longer ago than I recall.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    I just had a thought. After so many years of predicting the end of the world on so many different occasions and with so many different causes, wouldn't it be ironic if Leon, by dint of his pro-Trump bias, actually missed foretelling the real one.

    Leon being tragically and spectacularly wrong about something?

    Round here we call that Tuesday...
    I have found a video of PB on tour in the Geekmobile

    I genuinely like to think this is what we'd look and sound like if we all got in a bus and did an American roadtrip playing songs. The lead singer in the Floyd tee shirt is obviously @rcs1000. I am the handsome guy on the right in the baseball cap; I am pretty sure that's @kinabalu singing falsetto with insane curly hair on the left, and @kle4 is hiding on the far left doing keyboards

    Richard Tyndall looking quietly cool on bass there, at the back

    And @SeaShantyIrish2 reappears to do percussion on the right, good to see him fit and well

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy1nPA9tBjQ
    Josh Turner is one of my favourite youtube artists. I have lost count of how many times I have watched this very video. Their version of Baby Driver is also brilliant.
    Ah, a fellow fan! Yes I LOVE his work

    This is also brilliant, and I have a weird crush on the girl on the right. Weird because she's not amazingly pretty, but my God that voice, and her sweet, bashful smile at the end

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5mmhokV24Q

    TAKE MY WHOLE LIFE, TOO....
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,999
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @ELaserDavies

    News: The Trump administration has walked back its directive to fire probationary employees.

    The reversal comes less than a week after a federal judge ruled that the terminations were probably illegal and after thousands of probationary employees were already let go.

    Hold on aren't employees in their probationary period precisely the ones that can be fired ? Even under UK law ?
    In the US Federal system the 'probationary' status applies to anyone moving jobs within an organisation. So if you just got a promotion then you are covered by 'probationary'. This is one reason it caused such chaos. Lots of long term employees who got dismissed because they had just got promoted.
    That's kind of hilarious. I wonder who had the unenviable task of explaining that one to Musk and Trump, that it was not as simple as they assumed.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,724
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    A lot of bad news around at the moment, so if anyone needs cheering up, try this. Unbeknownst to most, country legend Glen Campbell made an absolutely superb cover version of Green Day's "Time of Your Life"

    To my mind maybe one of the best cover versions of any song ever, he took it and made it perfect


    https://youtu.be/jkORS34Lep0?si=EHAaiL3g-RN90PdI

    And if that's not enough, while searching for this video, I found another cover version of the same song, which - tho not quite as good - does feature a ravishingly pretty girl with a gorgeous voice.


    https://youtu.be/LMlIgyhR-N8?si=DGz6Cihrzv46N0l7

    Courage. We shall endure

    They're both very good but that's because it is a great song. My favourite remains the original. Green day were superb musicians as well

    This is magnificent:https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=green day time of your life videos&view=detail&mid=372DD26E6F1E453A637C372DD26E6F1E453A637C&ajaxhist=0
    It is a fantastic song, it's one of those eternal tunes, with touching lyrics and poignant sentiments, which is almost indestructible. ie it's hard to find a BAD version of it

    Still think Glen just edges it with his country and blue grass tinge

    I wonder how much Green Day have made out of that one spectacular song? Millions, I expect
    Until today I would have assumed Glen Campbell was long dead before Green Day were a thing. I guess that's both he was not as long ago as I thought, and they are longer ago than I recall.
    But to paraphrase the old joke about Christian rock, this cover doesn’t make Glen Campbell better, it just makes “Time of Your Life” worse.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,729
    MJW said:

    On topic, I do wonder if AOC is a bit of a better bet than might otherwise be as an outsider given normally of course she'd never stand a cat in hell's chance but...the Dems are liable to be radicalised by Trump, Vance, and Musk.

    I simply can't see a moderate Democrat except Buttigieg and maybe Prittzker living with the scale of anger in Blue America. She's the most effective and prominent of the more radical wing that may be the beneficiaries of a tea party-style revolt now Sanders is too old.

    Plus, given the likely efforts of the Republicans to tilt an election in their favour, it may take a major crisis to elect a Democrat - so if you're picking one to go for it might as well be the long odds radical over one of the traditional-style party decides picks.

    Of course that doesn't mean the most likely winner is whoever is annointed Trumpism's heir when you assume they aren't likely to allow a fully free and fair election in any true sense unless the project collapses. But then, if you think there's a real chance of that happening given the chaotic first six weeks then it probably won't be a moderate Democrat who is the beneficiary unless they're also very articulate and aggressive in denouncing Trump.

    The practicalities of trying to win the next election probably require a billionaire or at least a centi-millionaire. As with Trump in 2016, moderate and hardline categories could be obsolete now.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,134
    Leon said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    I just had a thought. After so many years of predicting the end of the world on so many different occasions and with so many different causes, wouldn't it be ironic if Leon, by dint of his pro-Trump bias, actually missed foretelling the real one.

    Leon being tragically and spectacularly wrong about something?

    Round here we call that Tuesday...
    I have found a video of PB on tour in the Geekmobile

    I genuinely like to think this is what we'd look and sound like if we all got in a bus and did an American roadtrip playing songs. The lead singer in the Floyd tee shirt is obviously @rcs1000. I am the handsome guy on the right in the baseball cap; I am pretty sure that's @kinabalu singing falsetto with insane curly hair on the left, and @kle4 is hiding on the far left doing keyboards

    Richard Tyndall looking quietly cool on bass there, at the back

    And @SeaShantyIrish2 reappears to do percussion on the right, good to see him fit and well

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy1nPA9tBjQ
    Josh Turner is one of my favourite youtube artists. I have lost count of how many times I have watched this very video. Their version of Baby Driver is also brilliant.
    Ah, a fellow fan! Yes I LOVE his work

    This is also brilliant, and I have a weird crush on the girl on the right. Weird because she's not amazingly pretty, but my God that voice, and her sweet, bashful smile at the end

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5mmhokV24Q

    TAKE MY WHOLE LIFE, TOO....
    I got into Josh Turner via Reina del Cid/Elle Cordova who is also another of those amazing Youtube artists. They tour together and I am planning on getting to see them next time they are in the UK.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,000
    Taz said:

    On the plus side Netflix have released the latest in their $100 million deal with Harry and Meghan to deliver solid gold rating winners.

    With Love……Meghan

    Something to cheer you up in a troubled world

    Whilst I did watch the previous stuff out of car crash curiousity this new one sounds dull as dishwater, still got the rest of future president Jimmy Donaldson's gameshow to get through
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,196
    FF43 said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    I still don't really get the Canada tariff thing. I totally get Mexico, Chayna, and even the EU to an extent. I am actually open to there being an end game - there has often been method in the madness previously. I'm also open to it being pure caprice, but I usually think Trump is after 'a deal' of some sort.

    Trump sees tariffs as a source of revenue, which also boosts domestic industry. Win/win. Which contradicts a further supposed third aim of tariffs as leverage. In the first two cases you want to keep them permanently and therefore have no leverage.
    Yes, I think Trump is a genuine mercantilist -- he's happy to use tariffs as leverage in deals, but he also thinks they're good for the US in themselves, so he's happy to go ahead and impose them. (And I suspect a lot of ordinary Americans who aren't particularly interested in the finer points of modern economic consensus would agree with him. Mercantilism makes a kind of intuitive sense, which I think is why it was standard behaviour for many countries for so long.)
  • xyzxyzxyzxyzxyzxyz Posts: 105
    Tracey Chapman and Pavarotti, Baby can I hold you tonight. Plays at the end of House of Gucci.

    https://youtu.be/qQdnl0_IuRg?si=mcFrKPVLcJY83V5p
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,360
    Taz said:

    On the plus side Netflix have released the latest in their $100 million deal with Harry and Meghan to deliver solid gold rating winners.

    With Love……Meghan

    Something to cheer you up in a troubled world

    Nice to know what they're spending the £2-a-month increase they emailed me about yesterday on.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,999
    edited March 4
    I don't think Donald Trump has ever adhered to the 'wait an hour before responding' principle

  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,897
    kle4 said:

    I don't think Donalt Trump has ever adhered to the 'wait an hour before responding' principle

    I am bored of this film now
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,999
    Gallowgate said:

    kle4 said:

    I don't think Donalt Trump has ever adhered to the 'wait an hour before responding' principle

    I am bored of this film now
    it's going to be a long long 4 years. And beyond, one way or another.

    And that's assuming we don't enter into a new world of war and recession.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,502
    edited March 4
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Leon said:

    A lot of bad news around at the moment, so if anyone needs cheering up, try this. Unbeknownst to most, country legend Glen Campbell made an absolutely superb cover version of Green Day's "Time of Your Life"

    To my mind maybe one of the best cover versions of any song ever, he took it and made it perfect


    https://youtu.be/jkORS34Lep0?si=EHAaiL3g-RN90PdI

    And if that's not enough, while searching for this video, I found another cover version of the same song, which - tho not quite as good - does feature a ravishingly pretty girl with a gorgeous voice.


    https://youtu.be/LMlIgyhR-N8?si=DGz6Cihrzv46N0l7

    Courage. We shall endure

    On covers Bryan Ferry does a lovely version of Back to Black in Jazz age fashion. Heresy but I get more from BF and Roxy than I do from Bowie nowadays.

    Bob Dylan's Hard Rains A' Gonna Fall was one of Ferry's better covers. I hated his/ Roxy's version of Jealous Guy.

    Best cover? Reg Dwight's version of Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,646
    kle4 said:

    I don't think Donalt Trump has ever adhered to the 'wait an hour before responding' principle

    Hasn't Canada said 25% tariff on 30billion of stuff? So what's Trump going do - make his tariff 50%?

    Will the US military obey an order to invade Canada?
  • eekeek Posts: 29,394
    pm215 said:

    FF43 said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    I still don't really get the Canada tariff thing. I totally get Mexico, Chayna, and even the EU to an extent. I am actually open to there being an end game - there has often been method in the madness previously. I'm also open to it being pure caprice, but I usually think Trump is after 'a deal' of some sort.

    Trump sees tariffs as a source of revenue, which also boosts domestic industry. Win/win. Which contradicts a further supposed third aim of tariffs as leverage. In the first two cases you want to keep them permanently and therefore have no leverage.
    Yes, I think Trump is a genuine mercantilist -- he's happy to use tariffs as leverage in deals, but he also thinks they're good for the US in themselves, so he's happy to go ahead and impose them. (And I suspect a lot of ordinary Americans who aren't particularly interested in the finer points of modern economic consensus would agree with him. Mercantilism makes a kind of intuitive sense, which I think is why it was standard behaviour for many countries for so long.)
    Hey if you thought inflation was bad when Biden was in power - look how much (higher) I've improved it...
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,134
    Mexicanpete said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Leon said:

    A lot of bad news around at the moment, so if anyone needs cheering up, try this. Unbeknownst to most, country legend Glen Campbell made an absolutely superb cover version of Green Day's "Time of Your Life"

    To my mind maybe one of the best cover versions of any song ever, he took it and made it perfect


    https://youtu.be/jkORS34Lep0?si=EHAaiL3g-RN90PdI

    And if that's not enough, while searching for this video, I found another cover version of the same song, which - tho not quite as good - does feature a ravishingly pretty girl with a gorgeous voice.


    https://youtu.be/LMlIgyhR-N8?si=DGz6Cihrzv46N0l7

    Courage. We shall endure

    On covers Bryan Ferry does a lovely version of Back to Black in Jazz age fashion. Heresy but I get more from BF and Roxy than I do from Bowie nowadays.

    Bob Dylan's Hard Rains A' Gonna Fall was one of Ferry's better covers. I hated his version of Jealous Guy.

    Best cover? Reg Dwight's version of Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds.
    Bryan Ferry's These Foolish Things is a fab cover. For me the best covers of any song are either Tedeschi Trucks' cover of Angel from Montgomery, originally written by John Prine or Bonnie Raitt's cover of Can't Find My Way Home by Steve Winwood.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,134
    kle4 said:

    Gallowgate said:

    kle4 said:

    I don't think Donalt Trump has ever adhered to the 'wait an hour before responding' principle

    I am bored of this film now
    it's going to be a long long 4 years. And beyond, one way or another.

    And that's assuming we don't enter into a new world of war and recession.
    I think a recession is inevitable - although we might get spared the worst of it by lots of military investment. As to war, it looks to me to be toss up between a war between Europe (including us) and Russia or a Civil War in the US. Maybe both.
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