politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » The other polling news tonight – ComRes has the NHS moving
New ComRes poll for ITV finds that the NHS now the main concern of voters – jumping above immigration pic.twitter.com/OfDVtXI3JA
Comments
-
After a week of headlines.
First.0 -
What a surprise ! Err not .
Don't mention Stafford, Welsh NHS , GPS contacts or AB privatising the only NHS hospital
( upsets big John)
;-)0 -
(and no personal insults over here either)
And now back to my grapes.0 -
The economic options are splintered somewhat in that poll but it's pretty obvious that immigration and the NHS will be right up there as the main topics of the election.
Also the two main parties focusing obsessively on the deficit doesn't seem to be beneficial based on the poll. Cost of living and economic growth slightly more important.0 -
Surby,
FPT,
"Surby,
You've missed out Edward Longshanks in 1290 - he was Catholic (of sorts) and the Romans in AD70 - Italians.
So your point is that some Muslims (ISIS etc) are now behaving like other civilisations did hundreds of years ago
Are you saying that makes it alright then? Or are you saying that Islam needs to modernise?
Which is it?0 -
It's midwinter. NHS Peak issue time. The election is in May.
0 -
Interesting but recent polls are hardly suggesting a Labour surge as the consequence - unless you only want to reference today's Populus. I doubt if it will stay front and centre all the way through to May - Labour's 'weaponise' tactic is already unravelling.0
-
Are Labour trying to make me vote Tory?
Douglas Alexander batting for Europe in the Evening Standard tonight:
"The tragedy for Britain is that it doesn’t need to be like this. There is an alternative to Britain stumbling out of Europe. The right approach for Britain is not an exit from Europe, it is reform in Europe.
From day one in office, a newly elected Labour government would set about enhancing the UK’s influence in Europe and reset relations with other EU leaders after five years of Mr Cameron’s failed approach."
http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/douglas-alexander-why-the-city-must-take-a-lead-in-making-the-case-for-europe-9972548.html0 -
The questions in Sunday's Yougov suggest that no one beyond Labour tribalists believe that Miliband/Labour have any answers on the subject.felix said:Interesting but recent polls are hardly suggesting a Labour surge as the consequence - unless you only want to reference today's Populus. I doubt if it will stay front and centre all the way through to May - Labour's 'weaponise' tactic is already unravelling.
0 -
Labour hope it's their election winner, but with Burnham hinting at major changes things aren't as hopeful as they'd wish them to be.chestnut said:It's midwinter. NHS Peak issue time. The election is in May.
0 -
The 'millions of jobs rely on the EU' bollocks once again, an argument as ludicrous as Mercedes refusing to sell cars to us. Is this really the best they can do?Casino_Royale said:Are Labour trying to make me vote Tory?
Douglas Alexander batting for Europe in the Evening Standard tonight:
"The tragedy for Britain is that it doesn’t need to be like this. There is an alternative to Britain stumbling out of Europe. The right approach for Britain is not an exit from Europe, it is reform in Europe.
From day one in office, a newly elected Labour government would set about enhancing the UK’s influence in Europe and reset relations with other EU leaders after five years of Mr Cameron’s failed approach."
http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/douglas-alexander-why-the-city-must-take-a-lead-in-making-the-case-for-europe-9972548.html0 -
Labour seem to think that pointing at something and saying, "that isn't going well" is enough to get them elected.
Ask them, "well, what would you do?" and they seem to say, "exactly the same, but we'd get you to pay more for it".0 -
Mohammed to be depicted holding "Je suis Charlie" in this week's magazine.
Original. Yawn...0 -
Bragging that the South East will pay for extra spending in Scotland is also a good way of getting people to vote Conservative.Casino_Royale said:Are Labour trying to make me vote Tory?
Douglas Alexander batting for Europe in the Evening Standard tonight:
"The tragedy for Britain is that it doesn’t need to be like this. There is an alternative to Britain stumbling out of Europe. The right approach for Britain is not an exit from Europe, it is reform in Europe.
From day one in office, a newly elected Labour government would set about enhancing the UK’s influence in Europe and reset relations with other EU leaders after five years of Mr Cameron’s failed approach."
http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/douglas-alexander-why-the-city-must-take-a-lead-in-making-the-case-for-europe-9972548.html
0 -
Some very small but sure signs that Labour not only have a strategy-previously deeply buried-but that it is a smart one.
That is to say their market researchers have been busy.0 -
Was strange that Cameron's list of election issues announced in his speech this morning omitted the top two in the comres poll
Apparently because labour and Ukip can't be beaten on them... Wise?0 -
ComRes are the pollsters that had the public preferring Dave to run the NHS rather than Ed.
Just saying like.
The NHS might not be the silver bullet Labour's think it might be.0 -
Are you saying that highlighting the NHS is a smart policy? Given Labour's past and indeed current record you are surely kidding?Roger said:Some very small but sure signs that Labour not only have a strategy-previously deeply buried-but that it is a smart one.
That is to say their market researchers have been busy.0 -
Underneath the caption "Tout est pardonné"... now that's a cover: https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/554755344359251970RodCrosby said:Mohammed to be depicted holding "Je suis Charlie" in this week's magazine.
Original. Yawn...0 -
@SkyNewsBreak: French newspaper Libération shows the front cover of #CharlieHebdo's next issue depicting the Prophet Mohammed holding a #JeSuisCharlie sign
Will any other papers show it?0 -
I can't find the link but I read in the Evening Standard tonight - from its political editor - that Labour had a 10 year plan that they started implementing under Blair in 1998 to put Britain 'at the heart of Europe'. That'll be the one that led to Amsterdam, Nice, the Constitution, Lisbon and the end of our opt-out on the social chapter of the Maastricht treaty. Oh, and giving away a large chunk of our rebate as well. For nothing.Sean_F said:
Bragging that the South East will pay for extra spending in Scotland is also a good way of getting people to vote Conservative.Casino_Royale said:Are Labour trying to make me vote Tory?
Douglas Alexander batting for Europe in the Evening Standard tonight:
"The tragedy for Britain is that it doesn’t need to be like this. There is an alternative to Britain stumbling out of Europe. The right approach for Britain is not an exit from Europe, it is reform in Europe.
From day one in office, a newly elected Labour government would set about enhancing the UK’s influence in Europe and reset relations with other EU leaders after five years of Mr Cameron’s failed approach."
http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/douglas-alexander-why-the-city-must-take-a-lead-in-making-the-case-for-europe-9972548.html
Apparently they have a similar plan for this time if they are re-elected in May.0 -
Doubt they'll run it, it's clearly not newsworthy.Scott_P said:@SkyNewsBreak: French newspaper Libération shows the front cover of #CharlieHebdo's next issue depicting the Prophet Mohammed holding a #JeSuisCharlie sign
Will any other papers show it?0 -
Paul Ryan won't run for POTUS.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/paul-ryan-wont-run-president-2016-n2844810 -
The right approach for Britain is not an exit from Europe, it is reform in Europe.
From day one in office, a newly elected Labour government would set about enhancing the UK’s influence in Europe and reset relations with other EU leaders after five years of Mr Cameron’s failed approach.
Surely the second sentence contradicts the first? Reform in Europe was purportedly Cameron's goal as well.
It probably is, regrettably, but only just.chestnut said:Labour seem to think that pointing at something and saying, "that isn't going well" is enough to get them elected.
.
NHS woes rising is unsurprising, but surely helpful for Labour, and with concerns stirred up now it can probably bubble away as an issue for several more months. Cameron might score ok on such things, but the Tories? They cannot win on this, and they cannot fight very hard on the economy either as it's not unqualified success on that front. Nothing else though, will have to go super negative.0 -
Have their market researchers been spending all their time in Old Compton street discovering that some gay folk vote Labour?Roger said:Some very small but sure signs that Labour not only have a strategy-previously deeply buried-but that it is a smart one.
That is to say their market researchers have been busy.0 -
What I don't get is how can the fanatics know for certain it's Mohammed?
It's just a cartoon of a bloke in a turban...0 -
The extensive coverage of the NHS and its multitude of problems UK wide (not just England) must have the voters considering who will be the most responsible when financing it and maybe, just maybe Ed Miliband is not onto the winner he thinks it is. Also he will be regularly reminded of his 'weaponise' comments that will not be acceptable to a lot of uncommitted voters0
-
Having lost Scotland, Ed wants to finish the job by losing London with a London property tax, followed by losing Wales by telling them how rubbish their Labour run NHS is?Roger said:Some very small but sure signs that Labour not only have a strategy-previously deeply buried-but that it is a smart one.
That is to say their market researchers have been busy.
0 -
LOL NHS surely an election winning issue for the Tories.Moses_ said:What a surprise ! Err not .
Don't mention Stafford, Welsh NHS , GPS contacts or AB privatising the only NHS hospital
( upsets big John)
;-)
Not surprising that its not one of their key themes.
I particularly like the its Burnhams fault that Circle cant run an A&E department line.
Contract signed November 2011 ripped up January 2015 after disastorous CQC report requires the hospital to go into special measures.
PMQs should be fun0 -
'Reset relations' is Labour code for abandon any pretence to stand-up for British interests in the EU and get a seat back at the top table to nod along in pursuing a purely europhile agenda.nigel4england said:
The 'millions of jobs rely on the EU' bollocks once again, an argument as ludicrous as Mercedes refusing to sell cars to us. Is this really the best they can do?Casino_Royale said:Are Labour trying to make me vote Tory?
Douglas Alexander batting for Europe in the Evening Standard tonight:
"The tragedy for Britain is that it doesn’t need to be like this. There is an alternative to Britain stumbling out of Europe. The right approach for Britain is not an exit from Europe, it is reform in Europe.
From day one in office, a newly elected Labour government would set about enhancing the UK’s influence in Europe and reset relations with other EU leaders after five years of Mr Cameron’s failed approach."
http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/douglas-alexander-why-the-city-must-take-a-lead-in-making-the-case-for-europe-9972548.html0 -
My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims0
-
Luckily the likes of the BBC never seem very interested in pointing out Labour record in running the Welsh NHS. When they went massive on the waiting times in A&E and you had to scroll through loads of text to get a mention or two that waiting times in Wales are way way worse, and never any that Labour runs the show there.chestnut said:Labour seem to think that pointing at something and saying, "that isn't going well" is enough to get them elected.
Ask them, "well, what would you do?" and they seem to say, "exactly the same, but we'd get you to pay more for it".
Given they have that cover, I am sure that Labour will keep pounding on this, as there is an issue there, albeit far more complex, nuanced and multi-faceted, and one which just "throw more money" as a solution will never solve.0 -
I think it's brilliant. A perfect balance of humour, poignancy and defiance.RodCrosby said:Mohammed to be depicted holding "Je suis Charlie" in this week's magazine.
Original. Yawn...0 -
Will the last Jew to leave France please turn out les lumières pic.twitter.com/cP8yh3dnJK
— Cameron Gray (@Cameron_Gray) January 12, 20150 -
The Welsh know though.FrancisUrquhart said:
Luckily the likes of the BBC never seem very interested in pointing out Labour record in running the Welsh NHS. When they went massive on the waiting times in A&E and you had to scroll through loads of text to get a mention or two that waiting times in Wales are way way worse, and never any that Labour runs the show there.
Every time Miliband criticises the NHS, he criticises Welsh Labour.
Their polling number with Ashcroft was 25% in Wales on an admittedly small sample. Still..
0 -
Burnham dropping hints.bigjohnowls said:
LOL NHS surely an election winning issue for the Tories.Moses_ said:What a surprise ! Err not .
Don't mention Stafford, Welsh NHS , GPS contacts or AB privatising the only NHS hospital
( upsets big John)
;-)
Not surprising that its not one of their key themes.
I particularly like the its Burnhams fault that Circle cant run an A&E department line.
Contract signed November 2011 ripped up January 2015 after disastorous CQC report requires the hospital to go into special measures.
PMQs should be fun
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2906861/NHS-won-t-able-future-people-responsibility-health-Labour-warn.html0 -
@RBS_Economics: 1 barrel of oil ($47) currently buys 1 (60 day aged) sirloin steak in leading Edinburgh restaurant. (£32) http://t.co/dijDgmLaKV
FREEEEEEDDOOOOMMMMMM!!!!!!0 -
I notice you didn't mention Stafford, Wales or GP contracts.bigjohnowls said:
LOL NHS surely an election winning issue for the Tories.Moses_ said:What a surprise ! Err not .
Don't mention Stafford, Welsh NHS , GPS contacts or AB privatising the only NHS hospital
( upsets big John)
;-)
Not surprising that its not one of their key themes.
I particularly like the its Burnhams fault that Circle cant run an A&E department line.
Contract signed November 2011 ripped up January 2015 after disastorous CQC report requires the hospital to go into special measures.
PMQs should be fun0 -
MikeK said:
Will the last Jew to leave France please turn out les lumières pic.twitter.com/cP8yh3dnJK
— Cameron Gray (@Cameron_Gray) January 12, 2015
Well Bibi told him it was his home.0 -
Paul Ryan rules out a 2016 presidential run
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/paul-ryan-wont-run-president-2016-n2844810 -
Managing the NHS at top of the table: In November Ed briefs senior BBC executives that he wants to "weaponise" the NHS. In December and January the BBC exhorts viewers several times a day to go to their web site to check on the status of their local hospital as part of the Beeb's "NHS Winter " series.0
-
The NHS is a strong issue for Labour for as long as people believe they will be able to spend more money on it. If people do not believe that they are capable of running an economy and financing an NHS then they will have a problem. This is and must remain the tory point of attack.
What is noticeable is that there have been no new "major incidents" for some days now, nearly a week. I can't imagine the pressure that is being applied to keep that the case but I suspect that some hospital managers will feel that they are at the bottom of the Mariana Trench right now. Much depends on luck. Will there be a flu epidemic requiring the hospitalisation of thousands of oldies or will it once again pass by? The tories must be going red in the face, they are holding their breath so tightly. Where is the Spring? It seems a long way off.0 -
Yes, instead you worship the NHS which is another religion that kills people.bigjohnowls said:My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims
0 -
Well maybe the notice will go out in the morning I guess.bigjohnowls said:My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims
0 -
Tissue Price I hope OGH is not now going to get a fatwa on PB?0
-
Nigel
"Are you saying that highlighting the NHS is a smart policy? Given Labour's past and indeed current record you are surely kidding?"
It is their No1 issue. They have been talking about nothing else for weeks and now unless there's shooting in Paris all the news stations seem to be finding medical stories of their own. It's what's known in advertising as 'having legs'.0 -
@perdix
"East of England Ambulance 999 downgrade period saw 57 patients die"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-30782092
There is just no end to the bias0 -
Seriously?GeoffM said:
Yes, instead you worship the NHS which is another religion that kills people.bigjohnowls said:My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims
You think the NHS kills people?0 -
Geoff
"Yes, instead you worship the NHS which is another religion that kills people."
Tasteless but funny.0 -
chestnut said:
The Welsh know though.FrancisUrquhart said:
Luckily the likes of the BBC never seem very interested in pointing out Labour record in running the Welsh NHS. When they went massive on the waiting times in A&E and you had to scroll through loads of text to get a mention or two that waiting times in Wales are way way worse, and never any that Labour runs the show there.
Every time Miliband criticises the NHS, he criticises Welsh Labour.
Their polling number with Ashcroft was 25% in Wales on an admittedly small sample. Still..
To be fair I've not noticed any differences personally say in GP services here, and it's not as if the sick and wounded are littering the streets of Pontypridd but ambulance targets here for example were an utter joke till very recently and the truth is the Welsh Govt cut other areas less at the expense of the NHS here. That's devolution folks, the power to choose differently. The price is that speaking personally I feel it would be better marginally to be ill in England but I suspect in most cases care is pretty similar.
We also need to bear in mind the Welsh populous has more long term health issues than rUK and so there's maybe more pressure here anyway.
0 -
Every health system saves lives.GeoffM said:
Yes, instead you worship the NHS which is another religion that kills people.bigjohnowls said:My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims
The NHS does this in a fair, effective and inexpensive way compared to the US system you trumpet all the time.
Why don't you move there!!0 -
Given their current record in Wales it's a huge gamble, they are performing far worse than England, but I don't suppose champagne Socialists living overseas care.Roger said:Nigel
"Are you saying that highlighting the NHS is a smart policy? Given Labour's past and indeed current record you are surely kidding?"
It is their No1 issue. They have been talking about nothing else for weeks and now unless there's shooting in Paris all the news stations seem to be finding medical stories of their own. It's what's known in advertising as 'having legs'.0 -
Bit premature John. I would wait until after Friday prayers if I was you.bigjohnowls said:My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims
0 -
On Sunday the public were asked;DavidL said:The NHS is a strong issue for Labour
Which of the following would you most trust to deliver quality NHS services?
Set aside the tribal Tories and Labour, and Miliband beat Cameron 24-15 among the Lib Dems but lost 20-15 to the bigger bloc that are the Kippers.
Pointing out the issue doesn't win the argument. You have to convince people you have the solution as well. Miliband has no answers.
0 -
This clearly means that the SNP's Scottish currency will be called the Angus. Divided into 26 ribs and 100 briskets? This is not as daft as it sounds as when the currency is traded on the exchanges there would always be 2 spare ribs per Angus to keep the currency afloat.Scott_P said:@RBS_Economics: 1 barrel of oil ($47) currently buys 1 (60 day aged) sirloin steak in leading Edinburgh restaurant. (£32) http://t.co/dijDgmLaKV
FREEEEEEDDOOOOMMMMMM!!!!!!
Please note Scottish voters this is not a (feeble) satirical attack on Scotland or the Scots but the SNP.0 -
StaffordStaffordStaffordStaffordStafford ..... got it????Pong said:
Seriously?GeoffM said:
Yes, instead you worship the NHS which is another religion that kills people.bigjohnowls said:My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims
You think the NHS kills people?0 -
Douglas Carswell MP @DouglasCarswell · 3 mins3 minutes ago
It is good that Mr Cameron does not want to pass on mega public debt to the next generation. But he needs to tell George, who has doubled it
0 -
Vote UKIP get Labour - BJO has spoken.bigjohnowls said:Douglas Carswell MP @DouglasCarswell · 3 mins3 minutes ago
It is good that Mr Cameron does not want to pass on mega public debt to the next generation. But he needs to tell George, who has doubled it0 -
I would not want to offend many posters on this site by suggesting that joining UKIP seems to involve taking a stupidity pill so I will merely hypothesise that he kept it better hidden before.bigjohnowls said:Douglas Carswell MP @DouglasCarswell · 3 mins3 minutes ago
It is good that Mr Cameron does not want to pass on mega public debt to the next generation. But he needs to tell George, who has doubled it0 -
I too abhor the U.S. system. It's nuts.bigjohnowls said:
Every health system saves lives.GeoffM said:
Yes, instead you worship the NHS which is another religion that kills people.bigjohnowls said:My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims
The NHS does this in a fair, effective and inexpensive way compared to the US system you trumpet all the time.
Why don't you move there!!
However, I am seriously concerned by the NHS being " weaponised " and put on an untouchable plinth by shroud wavers. All institutions need to reform ( if only in the case of the NHS due to changing age demographics for example compared to 30 years ago) and I fear we will lose the ability to sensibly and needfully reform if the shroud wavers make it an unreformable sacred cow. That will eventually destroy it and that would be truly awful.0 -
The curry side effects still to come too I have the toilet paper in the fridge as we speak.DavidL said:
Bit premature John. I would wait until after Friday prayers if I was you.bigjohnowls said:My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims
0 -
Tuesday's Times front page:
Labour plan to borrow risks £170bn extra debt
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7LtK4nCYAAGFoj.jpg0 -
How many newspapers and media outlets do we think are going to show the front cover of this weeks Charlie Hebdo. How "Je Suis Charlie" are they?0
-
LOL. It may take some time before I get that image out of my head.bigjohnowls said:
The curry side effects still to come too I have the toilet paper in the fridge as we speak.DavidL said:
Bit premature John. I would wait until after Friday prayers if I was you.bigjohnowls said:My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims
0 -
The sad thing is Carswell isn't actually stupid, so he most know that statement it disingenuous. Debt would have increased substantially no matter who was in power, the only thing that might have avoided it doing so is a) hyper-austerity which somehow doesn't trash the economy, or b) China-like economic growth being magicked out of thin air.bigjohnowls said:Douglas Carswell MP @DouglasCarswell · 3 mins3 minutes ago
It is good that Mr Cameron does not want to pass on mega public debt to the next generation. But he needs to tell George, who has doubled it
Writing such nonsense says a lot more about Carswell than it does the Tories or economics.0 -
isam said:
Was strange that Cameron's list of election issues announced in his speech this morning omitted the top two in the comres poll
Apparently because labour and Ukip can't be beaten on them... Wise?Casino_Royale said:Are Labour trying to make me vote Tory?
Douglas Alexander batting for Europe in the Evening Standard tonight:
"The tragedy for Britain is that it doesn’t need to be like this. There is an alternative to Britain stumbling out of Europe. The right approach for Britain is not an exit from Europe, it is reform in Europe.
From day one in office, a newly elected Labour government would set about enhancing the UK’s influence in Europe and reset relations with other EU leaders after five years of Mr Cameron’s failed approach."
http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/douglas-alexander-why-the-city-must-take-a-lead-in-making-the-case-for-europe-9972548.html
Wee Dougie exists. Therefore Vote Tory. Its a clear answer to a deeply perplexing philosophical question.
Oh and Cameron? Why talk about something your opponents are going to bang on about?0 -
Surely at least a drum roll is in order?0
-
I haven't ever "trumpeted" the US system. In fact the one thing that the US and the UK systems have in common is that nobody had copied either of those two failed models in any of the 200ish other healthcare systems across the world.bigjohnowls said:
Every health system saves lives.GeoffM said:
Yes, instead you worship the NHS which is another religion that kills people.bigjohnowls said:My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims
The NHS does this in a fair, effective and inexpensive way compared to the US system you trumpet all the time.
Why don't you move there!!0 -
Carswell's a shit. 6 months ago he would have not represented the debt in this way, He knows why the debt has gone up. He speak with forked tongue.bigjohnowls said:Douglas Carswell MP @DouglasCarswell · 3 mins3 minutes ago
It is good that Mr Cameron does not want to pass on mega public debt to the next generation. But he needs to tell George, who has doubled it0 -
And given he knows Labour would have and will borrow more why not direct his ire at them ? He's still bitching about his ex that he dumped for a more boozy bird - sellers remorse ?glw said:
The sad thing is Carswell isn't actually stupid, so he most know that statement it disingenuous. Debt would have increased substantially no matter who was in power, the only thing that might have avoided it doing so is a) hyper-austerity which somehow doesn't trash the economy, or b) China-like economic growth being magicked out of thin air.bigjohnowls said:Douglas Carswell MP @DouglasCarswell · 3 mins3 minutes ago
It is good that Mr Cameron does not want to pass on mega public debt to the next generation. But he needs to tell George, who has doubled it
Writing such nonsense says a lot more about Carswell than it does the Tories or economics.0 -
Hinchinbrooke much more topical on the soil yourself front.felix said:
StaffordStaffordStaffordStaffordStafford ..... got it????Pong said:
Seriously?GeoffM said:
Yes, instead you worship the NHS which is another religion that kills people.bigjohnowls said:My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims
You think the NHS kills people?
In fact its the only inadequate hospital currently according to CQC.0 -
Any "discussion" of the NHS always turns into NHS vs US. There are 100's of other countries, many with excellent healthcare system, who use neither the UK or US model. It is not a binary choice, both on the funding and provision side of things.welshowl said:
I too abhor the U.S. system. It's nuts.bigjohnowls said:
Every health system saves lives.GeoffM said:
Yes, instead you worship the NHS which is another religion that kills people.bigjohnowls said:My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims
The NHS does this in a fair, effective and inexpensive way compared to the US system you trumpet all the time.
Why don't you move there!!
However, I am seriously concerned by the NHS being " weaponised " and put on an untouchable plinth by shroud wavers. All institutions need to reform ( if only in the case of the NHS due to changing age demographics for example compared to 30 years ago) and I fear we will lose the ability to sensibly and needfully reform if the shroud wavers make it an unreformable sacred cow. That will eventually destroy it and that would be truly awful.0 -
Tantric opinion polling0
-
Thanks to five years of sound govt.bigjohnowls said:
Hinchinbrooke much more topical on the soil yourself front.felix said:
StaffordStaffordStaffordStaffordStafford ..... got it????Pong said:
Seriously?GeoffM said:
Yes, instead you worship the NHS which is another religion that kills people.bigjohnowls said:My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims
You think the NHS kills people?
In fact its the only inadequate hospital currently according to CQC.0 -
I feel a bit sad for him, he must know that he's now having to say and write a lot of stupid things about his opponents, I do wonder if his heart is really in it or if he's having second thoughts.DavidL said:I would not want to offend many posters on this site by suggesting that joining UKIP seems to involve taking a stupidity pill so I will merely hypothesise that he kept it better hidden before.
0 -
Quite soFrancisUrquhart said:
Any "discussion" of the NHS always turns into NHS vs US. There are 100's of other countries, many with excellent healthcare system, who use neither the UK or US model. It is not a binary choice, both on the funding and provision side of things.welshowl said:
I too abhor the U.S. system. It's nuts.bigjohnowls said:
Every health system saves lives.GeoffM said:
Yes, instead you worship the NHS which is another religion that kills people.bigjohnowls said:My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims
The NHS does this in a fair, effective and inexpensive way compared to the US system you trumpet all the time.
Why don't you move there!!
However, I am seriously concerned by the NHS being " weaponised " and put on an untouchable plinth by shroud wavers. All institutions need to reform ( if only in the case of the NHS due to changing age demographics for example compared to 30 years ago) and I fear we will lose the ability to sensibly and needfully reform if the shroud wavers make it an unreformable sacred cow. That will eventually destroy it and that would be truly awful.0 -
Where's the YouGov, some of us want to go to bed.0
-
Although unfair, strictly speaking that's true. Public debt has more or less doubled under Osborne's watch.glw said:
The sad thing is Carswell isn't actually stupid, so he most know that statement it disingenuous. Debt would have increased substantially no matter who was in power, the only thing that might have avoided it doing so is a) hyper-austerity which somehow doesn't trash the economy, or b) China-like economic growth being magicked out of thin air.bigjohnowls said:Douglas Carswell MP @DouglasCarswell · 3 mins3 minutes ago
It is good that Mr Cameron does not want to pass on mega public debt to the next generation. But he needs to tell George, who has doubled it
Writing such nonsense says a lot more about Carswell than it does the Tories or economics.
It would have grown even more under Labour. There is a case for saying it might have been less than it is now, given more aggressive cutting, but it still would have gone up a hell of a lot.0 -
We so need a like button.NickPalmer said:Tantric opinion polling
0 -
For yougov?DavidL said:Surely at least a drum roll is in order?
0 -
In this case, I must agree. Carswell has gone a bit overboard since he joined UKIP, the passion of the converted, and while I don't personally mind who he chooses to focus his ire upon, some of it seems more calculating than before, when he was very good not appearing so, even when he was.glw said:
The sad thing is Carswell isn't actually stupid, so he most know that statement it disingenuous. Debt would have increased substantially no matter who was in power, the only thing that might have avoided it doing so is a) hyper-austerity which somehow doesn't trash the economy, or b) China-like economic growth being magicked out of thin air.bigjohnowls said:Douglas Carswell MP @DouglasCarswell · 3 mins3 minutes ago
It is good that Mr Cameron does not want to pass on mega public debt to the next generation. But he needs to tell George, who has doubled it
Writing such nonsense says a lot more about Carswell than it does the Tories or economics.0 -
Yeah he's too bright to believe what he's having to spout now I'm sure. Party line stuff.glw said:
I feel a bit sad for him, he must know that he's now having to say and write a lot of stupid things about his opponents, I do wonder if his heart is really in it or if he's having second thoughts.DavidL said:I would not want to offend many posters on this site by suggesting that joining UKIP seems to involve taking a stupidity pill so I will merely hypothesise that he kept it better hidden before.
0 -
My Twitter feed...
A23 Streatham Hill / Telford Avenue nr bus garage - road clear.
Sigh.0 -
I have images of Sting's sex life in my head now. Please: this is a family show.NickPalmer said:Tantric opinion polling
0 -
Why is the care at the only hospital not run by the public sector the worst in the country do you think.felix said:
Thanks to five years of sound govt.bigjohnowls said:
Hinchinbrooke much more topical on the soil yourself front.felix said:
StaffordStaffordStaffordStaffordStafford ..... got it????Pong said:
Seriously?GeoffM said:
Yes, instead you worship the NHS which is another religion that kills people.bigjohnowls said:My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims
You think the NHS kills people?
In fact its the only inadequate hospital currently according to CQC.
Coincidence?0 -
Yes, although Nick's comment is much funnier.Casino_Royale said:
For yougov?DavidL said:Surely at least a drum roll is in order?
Its pretty sad isn't it when we are looking for Yougov to act as some sort of arbiter?0 -
@Sun_Politics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 32%, LAB 33%, LD 6%, UKIP 17%, GRN 6%0
-
Sun tweets of an epic poll!!! UKIP on 32?
Oh bum, the liars
CON 32%, LAB 33%, LD 6%, UKIP 17%, GRN 6%0 -
CON 32%, LAB 33%, LD 6%, UKIP 17%, GRN 6%0
-
Betfair suggesting this is going to be decent for Con0
-
Nope, Lab up 10
-
YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 32%, LAB 33%, LD 6%, UKIP 17%, GRN 6%
0 -
Spot on. You took the words right out of my mouth. But it's pointless trying to discuss alternative healthcare provision models in this country.FrancisUrquhart said:
Any "discussion" of the NHS always turns into NHS vs US. There are 100's of other countries, many with excellent healthcare system, who use neither the UK or US model. It is not a binary choice, both on the funding and provision side of things.welshowl said:
I too abhor the U.S. system. It's nuts.bigjohnowls said:
Every health system saves lives.GeoffM said:
Yes, instead you worship the NHS which is another religion that kills people.bigjohnowls said:My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims
The NHS does this in a fair, effective and inexpensive way compared to the US system you trumpet all the time.
Why don't you move there!!
However, I am seriously concerned by the NHS being " weaponised " and put on an untouchable plinth by shroud wavers. All institutions need to reform ( if only in the case of the NHS due to changing age demographics for example compared to 30 years ago) and I fear we will lose the ability to sensibly and needfully reform if the shroud wavers make it an unreformable sacred cow. That will eventually destroy it and that would be truly awful.
No one listens.0 -
Swing back swung forward?
0 -
After 13 years of a Labour Govt representing us in Europe they managed to give away billions by halving the rebate in return for a promise of reforming the CAP which was written on one of Prescott's johnnie bag packets and lost behind Blair's sofa.... Of course Miliband promises next time will be different, so we will see all the rebate given away then?Casino_Royale said:
'Reset relations' is Labour code for abandon any pretence to stand-up for British interests in the EU and get a seat back at the top table to nod along in pursuing a purely europhile agenda.nigel4england said:
The 'millions of jobs rely on the EU' bollocks once again, an argument as ludicrous as Mercedes refusing to sell cars to us. Is this really the best they can do?Casino_Royale said:Are Labour trying to make me vote Tory?
Douglas Alexander batting for Europe in the Evening Standard tonight:
"The tragedy for Britain is that it doesn’t need to be like this. There is an alternative to Britain stumbling out of Europe. The right approach for Britain is not an exit from Europe, it is reform in Europe.
From day one in office, a newly elected Labour government would set about enhancing the UK’s influence in Europe and reset relations with other EU leaders after five years of Mr Cameron’s failed approach."
http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/douglas-alexander-why-the-city-must-take-a-lead-in-making-the-case-for-europe-9972548.html
0 -
Brilliant!felix said:
Thanks to five years of sound govt.bigjohnowls said:
Hinchinbrooke much more topical on the soil yourself front.felix said:
StaffordStaffordStaffordStaffordStafford ..... got it????Pong said:
Seriously?GeoffM said:
Yes, instead you worship the NHS which is another religion that kills people.bigjohnowls said:My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims
You think the NHS kills people?
In fact its the only inadequate hospital currently according to CQC.0
