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I can’t remember how to write 1, 1000, 51, 6, and 500 in Roman numerals, I M LIVID

SystemSystem Posts: 12,359
edited February 28 in General
I can’t remember how to write 1, 1000, 51, 6, and 500 in Roman numerals, I M LIVID – politicalbetting.com

How good do Britons think they are at interpreting Roman numerals?Very good: XIV%Fairly good: L%Fairly bad: XXIII%Very bad: X%yougov.co.uk/society/arti…

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  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,152
    It's all Greek to me
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,299
    Cistercian numerals are way cooler.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,632
    I suspect the people who didn't get 1668 included a fair number of people who just couldn't be bothered to.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,257
    edited February 28
    Cookie said:

    I suspect the people who didn't get 1668 included a fair number of people who just couldn't be bothered to.

    If there was a 0 they'd be a lot more useful.

    And yes, I agree.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,261
    Apparently the wokerati are trying to make us use Arab numerals instead. Who will save us from this DEI madness?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,299

    Apparently the wokerati are trying to make us use Arab numerals instead. Who will save us from this DEI madness?

    Indian, no?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,198
    Are you trying to generate sympathy for Starmer ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,198
    TOOMUCHPUNCTUATIONINTHEHEADER
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,712
    On topic, people have become over-confident ever since XL Bully dogs entered the national discourse.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,283
    Amazing. Who in the world spent money on polling about this? And why did they consider it worth while? What am I missing?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,198
    Trump’s proposed ‘gold card’ visa comes with a hidden tax break for the wealthy

    https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/27/trump-gold-card-visa-hidden-tax-benefit.html
    ..Currently, U.S. citizens, permanent residents, and green-card holders are required to pay income tax on their U.S. earnings as well as any income they earn overseas, including in their home country. The U.S. tax on worldwide income has traditionally made U.S. residency or citizenship far less attractive for the global rich, who have businesses spread across the world and often sheltered in tax havens.

    Trump said gold-card holders would not be subject to taxes on their overseas income. The provision means that gold-card residents will be able to purchase a tax benefit not available to U.S. citizens. Advisors say they’re waiting on clearer directives, since the program could create dual classes of taxpayers among the American wealthy.

    Yet the international income carve-out makes it far more attractive to the world’s ultra-wealthy.

    “This would be a big departure” in tax treatment, said Laura Foote Reiff, an attorney at Greenberg Traurig who specializes in business immigration. “There are many wealthy individuals who are invested in U.S. companies or have families here that do not become permanent residents because they don’t want the tax consequences.”..

  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    Nigelb said:

    Are you trying to generate sympathy for Starmer ?
    She sounds like a walking liability.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,198
    I'm predicting Musk renounces US citizenship and buys one of those.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641
    edited February 28
    New conspiracy theory! Starmer is blackmailing Donald Trump.

    Remember the Steel dossier by the ex-British spy which said the KGB has kompromat on The Donald who had paid Russian girls to urinate on Obama's hotel bed? Well, if Steel knew about the tape, surely there must be a copy in an MI6 safe. That explains why their meeting went so well that Trump is coming here.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    Zelensky has arrived at the White House.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,283
    If he said 'Help yourself to a drink,' before he left then the result is on him. If he didn't, perhaps she was a bit too relaxed as a guest. But either way, why advertise her mistake?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,189
    edited February 28
    A former colleague had a similar experience.

    His father was a concierge at the Caledonian hotel in Edinburgh and he was given some ridiculously expensive whisky by a guest and his father passed it on to him to save it for a special occasion.

    Many years later he invited some lady to his flat, told her to grab a drink, she picked that one, and the truly worst thing, she added Pepsi to said whisky.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,564
    That speaks ill of Starmer. His friend would have wanted the whisky consumed rather than remaining boxed in the drinks cabinet. What a snivelling sentimentalist is Starmer. Hopefully Ange got the shot glasses out and they necked it down during some sexually charged drinking game.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,564

    New conspiracy theory! Starmer is blackmailing Donald Trump.

    Remember the Steel dossier by the ex-British spy which said the KGB has kompromat on The Donald who had paid Russian girls to urinate on Obama's hotel bed? Well, if Steel knew about the tape, surely there must be a copy in an MI6 safe. That explains why their meeting went so well that Trump is coming here.

    Couldn't Trump have just shot Starmer dead in that case? The Supreme Court having issued the Trumpmeister a "get out of jail free" card. Same goes for Zelensky if Trump is so minded.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,666

    Nicholas Kristof
    @NickKristof

    I'm hearing from experts around the world about what the destruction of USAID is meaning: "a global health massacre," in the words of a doctor who has devoted her life to humanitarian work on the front lines. Millions of malnourished children left to starve. Pregnant women not getting micronutrients to prevent neural tube defects. Programs against schistosomiasis abandoned. HIV positive patients left without ARV's. Water no longer purified. Surveillance against Ebola and bird flu set back. TB patients unable to get medicine. I've long argued that USAID should be reformed, but this Trump/Musk demolition is cruel and incompetent and benefits China, while killing children just as wonderful as our own.

    https://x.com/NickKristof/status/1895189825466311070
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,143
    Musk justifies falling GDP:

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1895512451342299292

    A more accurate measure of GDP would exclude government spending.

    Otherwise, you can scale GDP artificially high by spending money on things that don’t make people’s lives better.

    For example, you could shift everyone who is building cars to working at the DMV. That would result in no cars and a much worse standard of living, but GDP would appear to be the same
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641
    edited February 28
    UK workers put in £31 billion worth of unpaid overtime during the last year - TUC analysis
    https://www.tuc.org.uk/news/uk-workers-put-ps31-billion-worth-unpaid-overtime-during-last-year-tuc-analysis

    Lefty workers doing Britain down – £31 billion unclaimed wages means £31 billion off gdp and that assumes they'd keep the cash under the bed. If they'd spent it there'd be a multiplier as money circulated. And £16 billion in tax and NI would put foreign aid back on the Cabinet table.

    Part 94 in our series, all economic statistics are rubbish.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,632
    FPT:
    AnneJGP said:

    Leon said:

    There is actually a general theory about the recent decline of tv drama

    Apparently a lot of people now watch it as “wallpaper” drama. It’s in the background on the tv screen as people are scrolling their phones (or cooking or eating or drinking or wanking or talking on PB)

    As a result networks are asking for LESS demanding scripts with even weaker plots and not too much action so you don’t miss anything if you disappear for ten minutes to shout at @JosiasJessop

    How depressing

    Anything to avoid the sound of silence.
    I've always hated telly-as-background. I've lived with people in the past who have come in to the house, put the telly on and paid it no attention whatsoever - sometimes even left the room. Probably doesn't happen any more now the choice of channel is so much wider.
    But if you're just having a background to other activities: that's basically the radio's job. Or Spotify (or if, like me, you haven't really left the noughties, an ipod).
  • I still get triggered by this, which is quite honestly the worst thing the Nazis ever did.

    XXXXVIII Panzer Corps

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XXXXVIII_Panzer_Corps
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968
    Surely keeping a photo is better than a full bottle of whisky? It can take time, and be a personal journey for everyone, but also spiritually liberating when we allow ourselves to let go of momento’s.
    All my momento of Wilbur are gone now except the photo’s. He was on Amoxy for breathing, and died in my arms, still with his eyes wide open looking at me, so for a long time I couldn’t accept he was gone. And I was told that despite what he died of, he would still be safe to eat!

    And the den and run gone like they never happened. But I got the photo’s. Wilbur had a snout infection. I then heard over and over selective breeding to create ornamental pets concentrates genetic mutations making health problems.
    Shit Autumn. Shit 2024.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,672
    edited February 28
    Everyone's OK up to IX due to Star Wars: Episodes I to IX :D
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,505
    To be lewd for a moment, Starmer could have quietly thought, "Ange got 8 inches of my old friend down her throat. He'd have enjoyed that", smiled and moved on.
  • New conspiracy theory! Starmer is blackmailing Donald Trump.

    Remember the Steel dossier by the ex-British spy which said the KGB has kompromat on The Donald who had paid Russian girls to urinate on Obama's hotel bed? Well, if Steel knew about the tape, surely there must be a copy in an MI6 safe. That explains why their meeting went so well that Trump is coming here.

    Christopher Steele is a Cambridge man and history has shown Cambridge produces the best spies.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,299
    edited February 28
    F1: Piastri out to 13 on Ladbrokes. Probably boosts to 14.

    That's too long, each way. I think it may be an error as they adjust odds.

    Edited extra bit: lay of 12.5 is available on Piastri on Betfair exchange.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,098
    AnneJGP said:

    Amazing. Who in the world spent money on polling about this? And why did they consider it worth while? What am I missing?

    That's the LXIV thousand dollar question.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,558
    President Eleven Jinping?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,299
    On-topic: the first time I played FFVII I misread Red XIII's name as Red VIII, and he's been Red Eight in my head ever since.
  • New conspiracy theory! Starmer is blackmailing Donald Trump.

    Remember the Steel dossier by the ex-British spy which said the KGB has kompromat on The Donald who had paid Russian girls to urinate on Obama's hotel bed? Well, if Steel knew about the tape, surely there must be a copy in an MI6 safe. That explains why their meeting went so well that Trump is coming here.

    Christopher Steele is a Cambridge man and history has shown Cambridge produces the best spies.
    Whilst I am obviously up for Cambridge = great (though "very pointedly not quite in Cambridge" = better), aren't the best spies the ones that nobody ever finds out about?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,261


    AnneJGP said:

    Amazing. Who in the world spent money on polling about this? And why did they consider it worth while? What am I missing?

    That's the LXIV thousand dollar question.
    Surely you mean the MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM dollar question?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,098
    Cookie said:

    CatMan said:

    It's all Greek to me

    In which subject, I came across this picture today. My admiration for the wilful obscurity of the German language only increases:

    Is 'double Dutch' a thing or was that just an expression my mum used? (She also used 'scribble' as in "you're talking scribble").
  • Leon asked FPT why television drama has gone downhill.

    iirc from TRiE (and I probably don't) it's because the streamers paid megabucks to suck up all the creators and talent.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,157

    Musk justifies falling GDP:

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1895512451342299292

    A more accurate measure of GDP would exclude government spending.

    Otherwise, you can scale GDP artificially high by spending money on things that don’t make people’s lives better.

    For example, you could shift everyone who is building cars to working at the DMV. That would result in no cars and a much worse standard of living, but GDP would appear to be the same

    Should also actually subtract from GDP things like Twitter, Black Doves, and visiting the pyramids that make people's lives worse.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,019
    edited February 28

    On-topic: the first time I played FFVII I misread Red XIII's name as Red VIII, and he's been Red Eight in my head ever since.

    Beg pardon, his real name was Nanaki, how dare you continue to use his captivity name? This is the 21st century, sir.

    Now, 100id was also in that game though.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,098


    AnneJGP said:

    Amazing. Who in the world spent money on polling about this? And why did they consider it worth while? What am I missing?

    That's the LXIV thousand dollar question.
    Surely you mean the MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM dollar question?
    Hah, I really mean $LXIV with an overscore but I can't work out how to do that in html.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,925

    Cookie said:

    CatMan said:

    It's all Greek to me

    In which subject, I came across this picture today. My admiration for the wilful obscurity of the German language only increases:

    Is 'double Dutch' a thing or was that just an expression my mum used? (She also used 'scribble' as in "you're talking scribble").
    Yes. Elvis Costello used it in a lyric:

    New Amsterdam it's become much too much
    Till I have the possession of everything she touches
    Till I step on the brakes to get out of her clutches
    Till I speak double dutch to a real double duchess
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,019
    She seems appeallingly normal in sharing a slightly embarrsasing tale.
  • AnneJGP said:

    Amazing. Who in the world spent money on polling about this? And why did they consider it worth while? What am I missing?

    I am guessing nobody paid for it.

    Usually YouGov tacks questions like this onto the end of the main polling questions.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,299
    kle4 said:

    On-topic: the first time I played FFVII I misread Red XIII's name as Red VIII, and he's been Red Eight in my head ever since.

    Beg pardon, his real name was Nanaki, how dare you continue to use his captivity name? This is the 21st century, sir.

    Now, 100id was also in that game though.
    I'm not sure Red Eight cared that much.

    I'm hoping he rips Hojo's face off in the remake.
  • Cookie said:

    CatMan said:

    It's all Greek to me

    In which subject, I came across this picture today. My admiration for the wilful obscurity of the German language only increases:

    Is 'double Dutch' a thing or was that just an expression my mum used? (She also used 'scribble' as in "you're talking scribble").
    Double Dutch is a thing; obviously you were speaking gibberish. Scribble in that sense isn't, although in writing terms, the famous Sunday Times editor Harold Evans advised as an aid to legibility, if you must scribble, scribble big.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,632

    Cookie said:

    CatMan said:

    It's all Greek to me

    In which subject, I came across this picture today. My admiration for the wilful obscurity of the German language only increases:

    Is 'double Dutch' a thing or was that just an expression my mum used? (She also used 'scribble' as in "you're talking scribble").
    Yes. Elvis Costello used it in a lyric:

    New Amsterdam it's become much too much
    Till I have the possession of everything she touches
    Till I step on the brakes to get out of her clutches
    Till I speak double dutch to a real double duchess
    ISTR also a song by Malcolm McLaren.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,779
    edited February 28
    Sky report on Zelensky and Trump discussion not going well apparently !!!

    Trump - Zelensky gambling with World War 3

    Trump to Zelensky - you ether do a deal or we are out
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,019

    Cistercian numerals are way cooler.

    Never heard of them before, they do seem cool and interesting, shame they didn't take off I guess.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,907
    Oh it’s our Ange, the posh boys idea of the working class. What is she like. What a card.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,019
    rcs1000 said:

    Musk justifies falling GDP:

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1895512451342299292

    A more accurate measure of GDP would exclude government spending.

    Otherwise, you can scale GDP artificially high by spending money on things that don’t make people’s lives better.

    For example, you could shift everyone who is building cars to working at the DMV. That would result in no cars and a much worse standard of living, but GDP would appear to be the same

    Well, here's the thing Mr Musk: those people the government spends money on, they spend money on things too. And those people pay taxes.

    So, when government spending is cut, private sector GDP falls too. (And there are myriad knock on effects: government employees and contractors no longer able to make mortgage payments, means that house prices fall, mean that all people save more, and that the implied rent component of GDP drops too.)

    It turns out modern economies are quite complex. And -yes- we should cut wasteful government spending (and over time there's probably quite a lot of it), but to think that going in and taking an axe to spending does not have an impact on *all* of the economy demonstrates a quite extraordinary naivete.
    Given he is meant to be a genius it is surely not naivete.

    Though I would add it to the continuing list of evidence that Musk spends all his time on the internet, believing pretty much anything he reads, and communicating in internet focused ways rather than how he would (or use to) communicate relating to business and other matters.
  • Nunu3Nunu3 Posts: 255


    Nicholas Kristof
    @NickKristof

    I'm hearing from experts around the world about what the destruction of USAID is meaning: "a global health massacre," in the words of a doctor who has devoted her life to humanitarian work on the front lines. Millions of malnourished children left to starve. Pregnant women not getting micronutrients to prevent neural tube defects. Programs against schistosomiasis abandoned. HIV positive patients left without ARV's. Water no longer purified. Surveillance against Ebola and bird flu set back. TB patients unable to get medicine. I've long argued that USAID should be reformed, but this Trump/Musk demolition is cruel and incompetent and benefits China, while killing children just as wonderful as our own.

    https://x.com/NickKristof/status/1895189825466311070

    when are their own governments gonna finally cough up?
    Keir has finally done a good thing today- cutting the aid budget.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,019

    Leon asked FPT why television drama has gone downhill.

    iirc from TRiE (and I probably don't) it's because the streamers paid megabucks to suck up all the creators and talent.

    Surely it is just a numbers thing - there's way more content but the number of talented creative people remains as low as it always was, resulting in a smaller proportion being good even if the number is the same.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,831
    So it’s all kicked off in the Oval Office…
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,632
    kle4 said:

    She seems appeallingly normal in sharing a slightly embarrsasing tale.
    Mm. I'd say it's understanable for a novice drinker, but odd behaviour for an adult, or at least anyone over the age of 21. The normal response to "help yourself to a drink" is to identify something appropriately cheap to mid-range, rather than going for the most expensive thing in the cupboard. Also normal behaviour in this circumstance is not to go for the unopened bottle. Hard to believe anyone who knew enough about whisky not to mix it with coke* didn't also recognise that this unopened bottle she didn't recognise might be quite expensive.
    The more I think about it, the more odder it gets.

    *I'm not dissing whisky and coke, mind. Just a cheap whisky is as good as any other here.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,143
    Video of the Oval Office argument:

    https://x.com/komadovsky/status/1895526183858798972
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,019

    This is the guy we’re offering state visits to, everyone….

    Give the giant toddler his carriage ride and a banquet. It would be a small price to pay if it stopped him from throwing a temper tantrum.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,261
    kle4 said:

    Sky report on Zelensky and Trump discussion not going well apparently !!!

    Trump - Zelensky gambling with World War 3

    Trump to Zelensky - you ether do a deal or we are out

    Vance accuses Zelensky of being "disrespectful".

    And this is the main thing with Trump - any issue boils down to not showing him sufficient respect, which is abject grovelling most of the time (hence creatures like Vance trying to enforce servility even from a Head of State who, though needing to be subservient given his position, still deserves respect in turn).

    It is my experience that people who cry about being disrespected the most are usually the ones showing the least respect to others. Same thing with a lot of the time with civility.
    Classic bullies, can dish it out but can't take it.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,632
    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    CatMan said:

    It's all Greek to me

    In which subject, I came across this picture today. My admiration for the wilful obscurity of the German language only increases:

    Is 'double Dutch' a thing or was that just an expression my mum used? (She also used 'scribble' as in "you're talking scribble").
    Yes. Elvis Costello used it in a lyric:

    New Amsterdam it's become much too much
    Till I have the possession of everything she touches
    Till I step on the brakes to get out of her clutches
    Till I speak double dutch to a real double duchess
    ISTR also a song by Malcolm McLaren.
    Just looked it up. Yeah, that one. Good song, but - and particularly the video - comes across as a bit peculiar from a 21st century perspective.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,331
    Who the hell opens someone else’s booze without asking?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,831
    Recording on LBC now…omg…
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,816
    Pity the poor buggers who have to try to teach this to Primary kids.
    Thanks DfE.
  • Trump and Zelensky live on Sky

    Not a love in
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,019
    edited February 28

    kle4 said:

    Sky report on Zelensky and Trump discussion not going well apparently !!!

    Trump - Zelensky gambling with World War 3

    Trump to Zelensky - you ether do a deal or we are out

    Vance accuses Zelensky of being "disrespectful".

    And this is the main thing with Trump - any issue boils down to not showing him sufficient respect, which is abject grovelling most of the time (hence creatures like Vance trying to enforce servility even from a Head of State who, though needing to be subservient given his position, still deserves respect in turn).

    It is my experience that people who cry about being disrespected the most are usually the ones showing the least respect to others. Same thing with a lot of the time with civility.
    Classic bullies, can dish it out but can't take it.
    Thing is he could probably have forced a deal through already by dialling down the Trumpish vanity. Still brash, arrogant, forceful, that's how he will probably still enforce a 'peace', but just not taking everything so bloody personally and lashing out instantaneously.

    He wants to be praised by everyone, even those he is forcing to lick his boots.
  • IanB2 said:

    Recording on LBC now…omg…

    After the homage of Macron and Sarmer we are seeing a really serious breakdown between Zelensky - Trump and Vance

    Just embarrassing and very worrying
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,907
    kle4 said:

    She seems appeallingly normal in sharing a slightly embarrsasing tale.
    ‘Appealingly normal’. Yeah right.

    What she did was shitty. You don’t help yourself to other peoples stuff especially unopened. I don’t have a high opinion of her anyway and this just reinforces it.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,907
    If you want to watch something different, try this playlist on YouTube of Alan Whicker shows. Fascinating imo. The first one is about plastic surgery in California in 1973.

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdwR9_QweI0_MOEhW2yFpPW9qfq7ls87U
  • This is getting worse every moment

    Breakdown happening live on tv
  • Trump and Vance are utter c words.

    Horrible to watch
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,831
    A shouting match.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,666

    Video of the Oval Office argument:

    https://x.com/komadovsky/status/1895526183858798972

    Unbelievable. even by Trump 2.0 clownshow standards.

    Why are they arguing with him live on TV?

    I suppose Trump thinks the whole presidency is just another episode of Apprentice.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,019
    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    She seems appeallingly normal in sharing a slightly embarrsasing tale.
    ‘Appealingly normal’. Yeah right.

    What she did was shitty. You don’t help yourself to other peoples stuff especially unopened. I don’t have a high opinion of her anyway and this just reinforces it.
    I wasn't commenting on the morals of the specific action, which was a bit of a weird thing to do, but to her general political persona of being pretty ordinary, and sharing a tale where she was a wally can be a part of that. That persona being sincere or fake is somewhat beside the point. The most effective political personas will exaggerate or play up the real personality of the person in question.

    I find the level of reaction to the story to be utterly hysterical to be honest.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,779
    edited February 28

    If Starmer wants to win the next election and the King wants to turn me into a monarchist they have to cancel the state visit after that Oval Office disgrace.

    After this the invitation should be summarily withdrawn

    Trump just said this is great television !!!!!
  • Video of the Oval Office argument:

    https://x.com/komadovsky/status/1895526183858798972

    Unbelievable. even by Trump 2.0 clownshow standards.

    Why are they arguing with him live on TV?

    I suppose Trump thinks the whole presidency is just another episode of Apprentice.
    Trump has the excuse of being old and obviously gaga.

    Vance really ought to be booking a long appointment at the confessional.

    (Do they have separate queues for big confessions, as opposed to five sins or less?)
  • omg, what a pair of bastards.

    Not Zelensky
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,666

    If Starmer wants to win the next election and the King wants to turn me into a monarchist they have to cancel the state visit after that Oval Office disgrace.

    Starmer late honeymoon lasts...erm... twenty four hours?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,019

    Video of the Oval Office argument:

    https://x.com/komadovsky/status/1895526183858798972

    Unbelievable. even by Trump 2.0 clownshow standards.

    Why are they arguing with him live on TV?

    I suppose Trump thinks the whole presidency is just another episode of Apprentice.
    Yes, it being done in front of the camreas is pretty absurd. It suggests they brought Zelensky there with the intent to publicly humiliate him, more than would already be the case from forcing him to agree a deal it would be obvious was done as a result of being bullied into it.

    The USA is already holding the whip hand over Ukraine, there's no need to crack the thing in front of an audience to boot.

    As a reminder, at least 50% of americans love it.

    If Starmer wants to win the next election and the King wants to turn me into a monarchist they have to cancel the state visit after that Oval Office disgrace.

    Well, have they even officially invited yet or merely promised to invite?

    It'll still happen though. Ukraine was yesterday's issue, once Trump is done with it it will just be that place the Russians stole land from that everyone feels bad about but can do nothing about.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,831

    Video of the Oval Office argument:

    https://x.com/komadovsky/status/1895526183858798972

    Unbelievable. even by Trump 2.0 clownshow standards.

    Why are they arguing with him live on TV?

    I suppose Trump thinks the whole presidency is just another episode of Apprentice.
    Trump has the excuse of being old and obviously gaga.

    Vance really ought to be booking a long appointment at the confessional.

    (Do they have separate queues for big confessions, as opposed to five sins or less?)
    There was a clip played on the BBC yesterday from Trump during his first term; he was markedly more cogent back then, even if we wouldn’t have said so at the time.

    They’re behaving like teenagers.

    A lot of Americans are going to be embarrassed, mortified, horrified.
  • If Starmer wants to win the next election and the King wants to turn me into a monarchist they have to cancel the state visit after that Oval Office disgrace.

    Starmer late honeymoon lasts...erm... twenty four hours?
    This fracture live on tv is unthinkable

    Full 50 mins conference live on Sky if you can bear to watch
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,831
    Wall Street doesn’t like it
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,666

    Trump and Vance are utter c words.

    Horrible to watch
    Vance is from the hollers. In his book he says where he comes from if someone makes an insult or comes at your family you basically go at them with chainsaws.

    He openly admits his wife has to try and calm him down on occasions (I think from memory there is a roadrage incident retold in the book).

    Where is she today?

    Presume he views Trump as 'family'.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,831
    edited February 28
    Simon Marks reckons the verbal mugging was entirely premeditated, and that Zelensky will emerge from it stronger.

    It is hard to think what Zelensky could have done to cope with that any better, sadly. He had nowhere to go.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,019
    edited February 28

    Ok, this is awful. This is bullying, looks awful and sums up the new approach from the USA. How does this look good?

    It makes Trump look powerful because he can treat people like shit, even other world leaders, and get away with it. He will live out his days as a very rich and powerful man with millions of adoring followers in part because for some reason America likes their leader throwing tantrums and hurling insults at world leaders, as a means of displaying their nation's power (already being the most powerful nation on earth was apparently too subtle).

    How many GOP figures will offer even token criticism of the display? Maybe a handful. EIther because the rest all agree with that type of display, or think the public will. And they will be right.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,666
    IanB2 said:

    Video of the Oval Office argument:

    https://x.com/komadovsky/status/1895526183858798972

    Unbelievable. even by Trump 2.0 clownshow standards.

    Why are they arguing with him live on TV?

    I suppose Trump thinks the whole presidency is just another episode of Apprentice.
    Trump has the excuse of being old and obviously gaga.

    Vance really ought to be booking a long appointment at the confessional.

    (Do they have separate queues for big confessions, as opposed to five sins or less?)
    There was a clip played on the BBC yesterday from Trump during his first term; he was markedly more cogent back then, even if we wouldn’t have said so at the time.

    They’re behaving like teenagers.

    A lot of Americans are going to be embarrassed, mortified, horrified.
    Yeh, but not the ones who voted for him who never watch the news only get info from social media etc
  • My wife is shaking with anger demanding Trump is uninvited to the UK

    Neither of us can believe what we are witnessing

    And neither can the media
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,564
    ...

    If Starmer wants to win the next election and the King wants to turn me into a monarchist they have to cancel the state visit after that Oval Office disgrace.

    Starmer late honeymoon lasts...erm... twenty four hours?
    This fracture live on tv is unthinkable

    Full 50 mins conference live on Sky if you can bear to watch
    Kemi should demand Starmer's resignation. It turned out it wasn't his best day as PM,but his worst. We all said it was a disaster yesterday.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,816

    Who the hell opens someone else’s booze without asking?
    Big Ange.
    Shag your blokes and drink your beer.
    Don't mess.
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