If it is the economy stupid then Labour should sink further in the polls – politicalbetting.com
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Sorry but there hasn't been a majority for brexit in years. Brexiteers are old and dying off furthermore brexit is a freaking omni-failure.... sorry but that is a fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Another 52/48 maybe and more decades of argumentCasino_Royale said:
Err, no. And, yes, I think it'd be clearly won by Stay Out and Rejoin would clock a low 40%.SonofContrarian said:
60/40 against? Really? A pretty ridiculous prediction..😏Casino_Royale said:
It'd be lost by over 60:40. This is like Queen Mary trying to overturn the Reformation.biggles said:
Because it isn’t “rejoining”. It’s joining. And those who know what that means know a ten point starting lead isn’t enough to win a referendum on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
45/37 in favour of rejoin in the latest pollCleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
It is widely accepted across politics including by the Lib Dems rejoining is years away if at all
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"...in German how did he say it, Peter?"Taz said:
I don’t agree with it. But I’ll have to go along with it.kle4 said:
Don't like it, but it was a manifesto promise and simply done, so entirely expected.Taz said:Labour to bring in votes for children.
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I maybe dying off soon but remember I voted remain !!!!Cleitophon said:
Sorry but there hasn't been a majority for brexit in years. Brexiteers are old and dying off furthermore brexit is a freaking omni-failure.... sorry but that is a fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Another 52/48 maybe and more decades of argumentCasino_Royale said:
Err, no. And, yes, I think it'd be clearly won by Stay Out and Rejoin would clock a low 40%.SonofContrarian said:
60/40 against? Really? A pretty ridiculous prediction..😏Casino_Royale said:
It'd be lost by over 60:40. This is like Queen Mary trying to overturn the Reformation.biggles said:
Because it isn’t “rejoining”. It’s joining. And those who know what that means know a ten point starting lead isn’t enough to win a referendum on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
45/37 in favour of rejoin in the latest pollCleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
It is widely accepted across politics including by the Lib Dems rejoining is years away if at all
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You people simply have no idea how you come across.
It is very distasteful to wish death on those you do not agree with rather than win the argument0 -
England try in the last minute looks like it may be enough to beat France0
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That was better than sex.1
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This is free fantasy. A recent large sample MRP failed to identify a single constituency with a brexit majority in the UK. Furthermore no pollster has been able to identify anything but a rejoin majority for years. This was predicted from demographic projections already back 2016 and is confirmed by recent yougov polling.Casino_Royale said:
It'd be lost by over 60:40. This is like Queen Mary trying to overturn the Reformation.biggles said:
Because it isn’t “rejoining”. It’s joining. And those who know what that means know a ten point starting lead isn’t enough to win a referendum on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
45/37 in favour of rejoin in the latest pollCleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
It is widely accepted across politics including by the Lib Dems rejoining is years away if at all
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It’s a reply though to a post expressing amazement that Reform polling is so high when Brexit support is so low. I’m pointing out that Brexit support is higher than Reform support. So it includes people like you.biggles said:
No. That’s just the caricature. Many like me voted on the principle of sovereignty, not on things like immigration. We’re not a constituency Reform appeals to, but we were part of the 14m Boris got. The right Tory leader could command that coalition; but Farage never will.TimS said:
37% is significantly more than Reform polling.Big_G_NorthWales said:
45/37 in favour of rejoin in the latest pollCleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
It is widely accepted across politics including by the Lib Dems rejoining is years away if at all
Anyone still saying they think Brexit has been a success or were better off out is not going to change their mind now, and they are probably either Reform inclined or Reform curious.
But the gap isn’t that big. So the bit of the Venn diagram of people who express support for Brexit but aren’t Reform supporters or curious is not huge.2 -
You think there’s a majority for the Euro, Schengen, restrictions on things like iPhones, freedom of movement, and whatever else they introduce in the next year or two?Cleitophon said:
Sorry but there hasn't been a majority for brexit in years. Brexiteers are old and dying off furthermore brexit is a freaking omni-failure.... sorry but that is a fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Another 52/48 maybe and more decades of argumentCasino_Royale said:
Err, no. And, yes, I think it'd be clearly won by Stay Out and Rejoin would clock a low 40%.SonofContrarian said:
60/40 against? Really? A pretty ridiculous prediction..😏Casino_Royale said:
It'd be lost by over 60:40. This is like Queen Mary trying to overturn the Reformation.biggles said:
Because it isn’t “rejoining”. It’s joining. And those who know what that means know a ten point starting lead isn’t enough to win a referendum on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
45/37 in favour of rejoin in the latest pollCleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
It is widely accepted across politics including by the Lib Dems rejoining is years away if at all
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You people simply have no idea how you come across.
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It’s war.viewcode said:
"...in German how did he say it, Peter?"Taz said:
I don’t agree with it. But I’ll have to go along with it.kle4 said:
Don't like it, but it was a manifesto promise and simply done, so entirely expected.Taz said:Labour to bring in votes for children.
https://x.com/archrose90/status/1887959535123337501?s=61
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Haha - the rugby- amazing ending2
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So I can now enjoy the Welsh result!!!TheScreamingEagles said:I would have enjoyed the Wales result a lot more if England weren't about to be absolutely fuckwangled by France.
Still Wales put in the worst performance against a side from Rome since the Battle of Zama.
Hahahahahahhahahaha, Wales.0 -
I don't think you're doing it right...TheScreamingEagles said:That was better than sex.
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Your boys took a hell of a beating.Scott_xP said:
I don't think you're doing it right...TheScreamingEagles said:That was better than sex.
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Yeah that’s fair. I was astonished Reform was doing so well until I clocked that much of its support is non-voters.TimS said:
It’s a reply though to a post expressing amazement that Reform polling is so high when Brexit support is so low. I’m pointing out that Brexit support is higher than Reform support. Don’t includes people like you.biggles said:
No. That’s just the caricature. Many like me voted on the principle of sovereignty, not on things like immigration. We’re not a constituency Reform appeals to, but we were part of the 14m Boris got. The right Tory leader could command that coalition; but Farage never will.TimS said:
37% is significantly more than Reform polling.Big_G_NorthWales said:
45/37 in favour of rejoin in the latest pollCleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
It is widely accepted across politics including by the Lib Dems rejoining is years away if at all
Anyone still saying they think Brexit has been a success or were better off out is not going to change their mind now, and they are probably either Reform inclined or Reform curious.
In all the noise about Trump-ism, I think people are failing to spot that a charismatic, but competent and mainstream party could clean up in Britain. The Blair/Coalition/Boris votes are there.
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You are sad, pathetic, and desperate.Cleitophon said:
This is free fantasy. A recent large sample MRP failed to identify a single constituency with a brexit majority in the UK. Furthermore no pollster has been able to identify anything but a rejoin majority for years. This was predicted from demographic projections already back 2016 and is confirmed by recent yougov polling.Casino_Royale said:
It'd be lost by over 60:40. This is like Queen Mary trying to overturn the Reformation.biggles said:
Because it isn’t “rejoining”. It’s joining. And those who know what that means know a ten point starting lead isn’t enough to win a referendum on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
45/37 in favour of rejoin in the latest pollCleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
It is widely accepted across politics including by the Lib Dems rejoining is years away if at all
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Thankfully, we just rinsed your ilk in the 80th minute. Which was delicious.0 -
It was up there with season three of Picard.Scott_xP said:
I don't think you're doing it right...TheScreamingEagles said:That was better than sex.
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Another pro tip - don't try to give yourself too much cover when you're wrong!TheScreamingEagles said:
It was up there with season three of Picard.Scott_xP said:
I don't think you're doing it right...TheScreamingEagles said:That was better than sex.
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Yes, and as you can see, it is a continuum, not binary.HYUFD said:
Their ability to study at university and get a professional career is restricted.JosiasJessop said:
Women are not banned from having careers in Iran...HYUFD said:
I said I want to make it easier for women to be mothers and stay at home or only work part time not that I would ban women from having careersJosiasJessop said:
There are many different forms of religious fundamentalism - which is why fundamentalists often hate each other, or even fight. You have made it fairly clear in previous comments that you are a fundamentalist - particularly in your views towards women. You say 'restrict womens' ability to have careers', but I'm fairly sure you've also written about the need for women to stay at home.HYUFD said:
If I was a religious fundamentalist I would make weekly church attendance compulsory and non attendance met with a fine as was the case until the early 19th century in the UK and also make homosexuality illegal and abortion illegal and restrict womens' ability to have careers, none of which I support but which is the position in religious fundamentalist states like Iran and AfghanistanJosiasJessop said:
I' not sure you - as a religious fundamentalist - is in any position to define what 'liberal' should mean...HYUFD said:
Hyperliberalism is also in reality hyper wokeism and often quite intolerant of dissenting more traditional and socially conservative views. Wokeism is more hyper 'progressivism' in which gender, sexuality, race, nationhood etc is all seen through the prism of social injustice which must be rectified by redistrubution or wealth and power from those traditionally 'privileged' especially white heterosexual males. In some respects it is closer to socialism than liberalism.rcs1000 said:
Like any such analysis, that works both ways.Andy_JS said:I think the single most important thing to understand about politics in most western countries today is the fact that the hyperliberals, or alt-liberals, have decided they're not going to compromise on anything. They'd rather go down to defeat to populists than make the slightest concessions. This is what happened with the Democrats and Trump.
I could rewrite it and say that "The Right" hasn't decided to make any concessions to the Centre, and that they are responsible for "hyperliberalism".
The polarization isn't just one sided, and to pick a side and blame them for causing it is just lazy.
I would also point out that in 2023/2024, where the Nationalist/Populist Right was in power and faced an elections, they got hit too: see Brazil, India and Poland.
It's almost like voters *everywhere* had a shitty time as economies emerged from Covid and dealt with the impacts of the Ukraine invasion on energy prices.
True liberals are socially liberal but also more tolerant of others opinions and less eager to see everything through class, gender, sexuality and racial lines.
Your point on the cost of living being the main determinant of recent national elections is also correct
As for fundamentalism: here's a definition:
"fundamentalism, type of conservative religious movement characterized by the advocacy of strict conformity to sacred texts."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19665615
In Afghanistan the Taliban ban women from higher education completely and just 4.8% of women in Afghanistan work and then only in the few jobs women are allowed to work with a permit such as food preparation or tailoring
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2024-07-07/an-afghan-woman-wanted-to-be-a-doctor-now-she-makes-pickles-as-the-taliban-restricts-womens-roles
And as ever, you miss a fundamental point: why is it the woman who does not have to work? Where, in your theologically-based views, are the men in child-rearing? Why does the woman have to have restrictions on working if she has a child, whilst the men work? Why not the other way around?
Yet, as above, you always mention that it is women who have to give in their careers and look after the kids.0 -
You’re definitely not doing it right.TheScreamingEagles said:
It was up there with season three of Picard.Scott_xP said:
I don't think you're doing it right...TheScreamingEagles said:That was better than sex.
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🚨 BREAKING: Keir Starmer has sacked Health Minister Andrew Gwynne after racist and sexist messages were leaked to the Mail, including one where he wished a pensioner who didn’t vote Labour would die before the next election1
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You missed a trick there.Jim_Miller said:While you are discussing national anthems, in mischievous moods, I sometimes think this would be a good one for the US: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy6AOGRsR80
Leon will love it. (So will our gracious hosts.)
Give in to the inevitable: as it was always meant to be.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6aD-m7Cw84&t=5s0 -
The constant argument over brexit is tedious, not least because we have left the EU and returning to it is not remotely on the cardsbiggles said:
You think there’s a majority for the Euro, Schengen, restrictions on things like iPhones, freedom of movement, and whatever else they introduce in the next year or two?Cleitophon said:
Sorry but there hasn't been a majority for brexit in years. Brexiteers are old and dying off furthermore brexit is a freaking omni-failure.... sorry but that is a fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Another 52/48 maybe and more decades of argumentCasino_Royale said:
Err, no. And, yes, I think it'd be clearly won by Stay Out and Rejoin would clock a low 40%.SonofContrarian said:
60/40 against? Really? A pretty ridiculous prediction..😏Casino_Royale said:
It'd be lost by over 60:40. This is like Queen Mary trying to overturn the Reformation.biggles said:
Because it isn’t “rejoining”. It’s joining. And those who know what that means know a ten point starting lead isn’t enough to win a referendum on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
45/37 in favour of rejoin in the latest pollCleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
It is widely accepted across politics including by the Lib Dems rejoining is years away if at all
Next.
You people simply have no idea how you come across.
The EU itself is not the EU we left, with considerable disagreements and political views within and goodness knows what shape it will be in by the time Trump has concluded his period in office
What is fair to discuss is how we improve relationships with the EU, which by the way Sunak started and Starmer continues and better trading terms including single market membership could be sensible, but rejoining is just not likely for many years to come0 -
Just reading the article.TheScreamingEagles said:🚨 BREAKING: Keir Starmer has sacked Health Minister Andrew Gwynne after racist and sexist messages were leaked to the Mail, including one where he wished a pensioner who didn’t vote Labour would die before the next election
When will they learn about WhatsApp groups?
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If anyone here was going to get it, it was going to be you 😂😂😂😂viewcode said:
"...in German how did he say it, Peter?"Taz said:
I don’t agree with it. But I’ll have to go along with it.kle4 said:
Don't like it, but it was a manifesto promise and simply done, so entirely expected.Taz said:Labour to bring in votes for children.
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The Star Spangled Banner brings a tear to my eye. Those were OUR rockets and we had levelled everything except one bit of cloth. Makes you proud.viewcode said:
You missed a trick there.Jim_Miller said:While you are discussing national anthems, in mischievous moods, I sometimes think this would be a good one for the US: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy6AOGRsR80
Leon will love it. (So will our gracious hosts.)
Give in to the inevitable: as it was always meant to be.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6aD-m7Cw84&t=5s
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I’ll try and follow your example, TSE 😘TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
That is shocking and Starmer had no choiceTheScreamingEagles said:🚨 BREAKING: Keir Starmer has sacked Health Minister Andrew Gwynne after racist and sexist messages were leaked to the Mail, including one where he wished a pensioner who didn’t vote Labour would die before the next election
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I am going to trigger some of you and give a lot of you aneurysms on Monday with the thread I have planned.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The constant argument over brexit is tedious, not least because we have left the EU and returning to it is not remotely on the cardsbiggles said:
You think there’s a majority for the Euro, Schengen, restrictions on things like iPhones, freedom of movement, and whatever else they introduce in the next year or two?Cleitophon said:
Sorry but there hasn't been a majority for brexit in years. Brexiteers are old and dying off furthermore brexit is a freaking omni-failure.... sorry but that is a fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Another 52/48 maybe and more decades of argumentCasino_Royale said:
Err, no. And, yes, I think it'd be clearly won by Stay Out and Rejoin would clock a low 40%.SonofContrarian said:
60/40 against? Really? A pretty ridiculous prediction..😏Casino_Royale said:
It'd be lost by over 60:40. This is like Queen Mary trying to overturn the Reformation.biggles said:
Because it isn’t “rejoining”. It’s joining. And those who know what that means know a ten point starting lead isn’t enough to win a referendum on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
45/37 in favour of rejoin in the latest pollCleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
It is widely accepted across politics including by the Lib Dems rejoining is years away if at all
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You people simply have no idea how you come across.
The EU itself is not the EU we left, with considerable disagreements and political views within and goodness knows what shape it will be in by the time Trump has concluded his period in office
What is fair to discuss is how we improve relationships with the EU, which by the way Sunak started and Starmer continues and better trading terms including single market membership could be sensible, but rejoining is just not likely for many years to come1 -
I can't get too worked up about votes for 16s.
But if Labour think it definitely will help them in elections they may be surprised.3 -
It was a manifesto commitment but I had my doubts about it but I changed my mind about votes for 16/17 year olds during the indyref.rottenborough said:I can't get too worked up about votes for 16s.
But if Labour think it definitely will help them in elections they may be surprised.0 -
I’m up for signing on with this.
Going to start a petition to rename Edward IV as "Edward IV the Undefeated in Battle" to see if that can up his popularity a bit
https://x.com/LaceyBonarHull/status/1888237779915780199
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You cannot give me an aneurysm as mine was diagnosed when I had my dvt scan and I was totally unaware of itTheScreamingEagles said:
I am going to trigger some of you and give a lot of you aneurysms on Monday with the thread I have planned.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The constant argument over brexit is tedious, not least because we have left the EU and returning to it is not remotely on the cardsbiggles said:
You think there’s a majority for the Euro, Schengen, restrictions on things like iPhones, freedom of movement, and whatever else they introduce in the next year or two?Cleitophon said:
Sorry but there hasn't been a majority for brexit in years. Brexiteers are old and dying off furthermore brexit is a freaking omni-failure.... sorry but that is a fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Another 52/48 maybe and more decades of argumentCasino_Royale said:
Err, no. And, yes, I think it'd be clearly won by Stay Out and Rejoin would clock a low 40%.SonofContrarian said:
60/40 against? Really? A pretty ridiculous prediction..😏Casino_Royale said:
It'd be lost by over 60:40. This is like Queen Mary trying to overturn the Reformation.biggles said:
Because it isn’t “rejoining”. It’s joining. And those who know what that means know a ten point starting lead isn’t enough to win a referendum on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
45/37 in favour of rejoin in the latest pollCleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
It is widely accepted across politics including by the Lib Dems rejoining is years away if at all
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You people simply have no idea how you come across.
The EU itself is not the EU we left, with considerable disagreements and political views within and goodness knows what shape it will be in by the time Trump has concluded his period in office
What is fair to discuss is how we improve relationships with the EU, which by the way Sunak started and Starmer continues and better trading terms including single market membership could be sensible, but rejoining is just not likely for many years to come
It is a very serious hidden condition so much so that all men over 65 are offered screening
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Yup, it's one to disband, fire everyone and fold into the MoD.Casino_Royale said:
Dennis Thatcher had the FCO right.MaxPB said:
It started under the simpleton Liz Truss, she got booted and then Dave spotted the traitors at the FCO trying to push their anti-Britain agenda as usual and told them to get fucked. Labour being the anti-Britain traitors the plans were picked up with glee.RochdalePioneers said:
Question - if its an outrageous Labour thing to do that, why did this start *under the Tories*?MaxPB said:
So you're happy the government is giving away £18bn and territory to a hostile foreign power in league with China? You're also happy with the prospect of the government opening the door to hundreds of billions in liability for reparations?Ratters said:
That's because the last government was so crap for so long that I'm willing to give Labour more than 6 months before writing them off.MaxPB said:What's least surprising here is that Lib Dem voters are nothing more than Labour lickspittles. We see it on here all the time where Lib Dems try their hardest to stick up for this shit government despite all of the evidence.
Certainly longer than that before considering the Tories the better of the two again. Again, considering how poorly (and inconsistently) they managed the economy over 12 years in power. Cancelling large projects that they started (HS2), starting with a promise to cut deficits, then leaving record national debt and cutting headline tax rates while running a large deficit outside of a recession being just two examples.
The PB Reform/Tories can criticise all they want, but they can't erase their own record. I didn't vote Labour but still happy they are in power rather than either the Tories or Reform.
I guess it's a view.
Its like you're trying to embarrass yourselves and bring the party further into the gutter by advancing this argument. People aren't as stupid as you might like them to be - and the ones who are vote Reform already.
It's also telling that few Labour supporters have come out and supported either of these policies, most are just as bothered by them as the rest but won't say so directly. Yet two Lib Dems have played their lickspittle roles just as expected and can't wait to get down on their knees with their mouths open for Labour.
Filled with Commies, Pinkos and Traitors.0 -
Love Edward IVNigelb said:I’m up for signing on with this.
Going to start a petition to rename Edward IV as "Edward IV the Undefeated in Battle" to see if that can up his popularity a bit
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The Andrew Gwynne approach 👍🏻TheScreamingEagles said:
I am going to trigger some of you and give a lot of you aneurysms on Monday with the thread I have planned.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The constant argument over brexit is tedious, not least because we have left the EU and returning to it is not remotely on the cardsbiggles said:
You think there’s a majority for the Euro, Schengen, restrictions on things like iPhones, freedom of movement, and whatever else they introduce in the next year or two?Cleitophon said:
Sorry but there hasn't been a majority for brexit in years. Brexiteers are old and dying off furthermore brexit is a freaking omni-failure.... sorry but that is a fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Another 52/48 maybe and more decades of argumentCasino_Royale said:
Err, no. And, yes, I think it'd be clearly won by Stay Out and Rejoin would clock a low 40%.SonofContrarian said:
60/40 against? Really? A pretty ridiculous prediction..😏Casino_Royale said:
It'd be lost by over 60:40. This is like Queen Mary trying to overturn the Reformation.biggles said:
Because it isn’t “rejoining”. It’s joining. And those who know what that means know a ten point starting lead isn’t enough to win a referendum on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
45/37 in favour of rejoin in the latest pollCleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
It is widely accepted across politics including by the Lib Dems rejoining is years away if at all
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You people simply have no idea how you come across.
The EU itself is not the EU we left, with considerable disagreements and political views within and goodness knows what shape it will be in by the time Trump has concluded his period in office
What is fair to discuss is how we improve relationships with the EU, which by the way Sunak started and Starmer continues and better trading terms including single market membership could be sensible, but rejoining is just not likely for many years to come0 -
Talking about people who are modest and self effacing
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Jeremy Clarkson: Brexit makes me want to sit in a gutter and weep
Since we left the EU it’s been easier to get into Iraq than France. None of this has made our lives better in any way
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If anyone has more certain knowledge, please could you comment - as I would like to feed back if I can.
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I find it pretty much impossible to tell the Lib Dem’s with their boring positions impossible to tell apart from Tories.MaxPB said:What's least surprising here is that Lib Dem voters are nothing more than Labour lickspittles. We see it on here all the time where Lib Dems try their hardest to stick up for this shit government despite all of the evidence.
I just don’t see the point in them.
Labour are at least trying and failing to do positive things.
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You’re not all bad, Casino.Casino_Royale said:
Love Edward IVNigelb said:I’m up for signing on with this.
Going to start a petition to rename Edward IV as "Edward IV the Undefeated in Battle" to see if that can up his popularity a bit
https://x.com/LaceyBonarHull/status/18882377799157801991 -
Is that your thread heading ??????TheScreamingEagles said:Jeremy Clarkson: Brexit makes me want to sit in a gutter and weep
Since we left the EU it’s been easier to get into Iraq than France. None of this has made our lives better in any way
https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/jeremy-clarkson-brexit-makes-me-want-to-sit-in-a-gutter-and-weep-8tz2fl5vr0 -
Thanks.MattW said:This is mainly for @TSE and @rcs1000 , just posted on a Discord forum for a charity I volunteer for, about Twitter having allegedly withdrawn from certain content filtering services.
If anyone has more certain knowledge, please could you comment - as I would like to feed back if I can.
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Update: No Twitter / X links to be posted on this server please!
We've received information from people we think are reliable that Discord servers and individual accounts have been shut down due to Twitter/X links that have been posted on them. The issue is apparently that Twitter is no longer moderating automatically using PhotoDNA and other methods to detect child abuse - they've desynched from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) - so if someone posts a link from a Twitter account that is later shown to have also posted something that gets flagged as child abuse, the person who posted the link and potentially the whole server can be shut down.
We'd like not to get shut down - so, no Twitter/X links please!
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It is what somebody tried to do with Mumsnet the other day.1 -
Years ago, Illinois allowed 18 year old women to buy alcoholic beverages, but required boys to turn 21 before they could do the same. Given how much slower many boys become adults, I could understand why some might think a similar rule might be appropriate for voting.*
Of course it won't happen here, but I can imagine it might happen somewhere in Europe.
(*I've been a boy, so I can say this.)
Fun fact: Tammany Hall was in favor of votes for women, because they assumed it would give them opportunities to buy two votes for the price of one.)1 -
No.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Is that your thread heading ??????TheScreamingEagles said:Jeremy Clarkson: Brexit makes me want to sit in a gutter and weep
Since we left the EU it’s been easier to get into Iraq than France. None of this has made our lives better in any way
https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/jeremy-clarkson-brexit-makes-me-want-to-sit-in-a-gutter-and-weep-8tz2fl5vr0 -
I was joking !!!!!!TheScreamingEagles said:
No.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Is that your thread heading ??????TheScreamingEagles said:Jeremy Clarkson: Brexit makes me want to sit in a gutter and weep
Since we left the EU it’s been easier to get into Iraq than France. None of this has made our lives better in any way
https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/jeremy-clarkson-brexit-makes-me-want-to-sit-in-a-gutter-and-weep-8tz2fl5vr1 -
He's not wrongTheScreamingEagles said:Jeremy Clarkson: Brexit makes me want to sit in a gutter and weep
Since we left the EU it’s been easier to get into Iraq than France. None of this has made our lives better in any way
https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/jeremy-clarkson-brexit-makes-me-want-to-sit-in-a-gutter-and-weep-8tz2fl5vr0 -
Sky's reportMoonRabbit said:
The Andrew Gwynne approach 👍🏻TheScreamingEagles said:
I am going to trigger some of you and give a lot of you aneurysms on Monday with the thread I have planned.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The constant argument over brexit is tedious, not least because we have left the EU and returning to it is not remotely on the cardsbiggles said:
You think there’s a majority for the Euro, Schengen, restrictions on things like iPhones, freedom of movement, and whatever else they introduce in the next year or two?Cleitophon said:
Sorry but there hasn't been a majority for brexit in years. Brexiteers are old and dying off furthermore brexit is a freaking omni-failure.... sorry but that is a fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Another 52/48 maybe and more decades of argumentCasino_Royale said:
Err, no. And, yes, I think it'd be clearly won by Stay Out and Rejoin would clock a low 40%.SonofContrarian said:
60/40 against? Really? A pretty ridiculous prediction..😏Casino_Royale said:
It'd be lost by over 60:40. This is like Queen Mary trying to overturn the Reformation.biggles said:
Because it isn’t “rejoining”. It’s joining. And those who know what that means know a ten point starting lead isn’t enough to win a referendum on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
45/37 in favour of rejoin in the latest pollCleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
It is widely accepted across politics including by the Lib Dems rejoining is years away if at all
Next.
You people simply have no idea how you come across.
The EU itself is not the EU we left, with considerable disagreements and political views within and goodness knows what shape it will be in by the time Trump has concluded his period in office
What is fair to discuss is how we improve relationships with the EU, which by the way Sunak started and Starmer continues and better trading terms including single market membership could be sensible, but rejoining is just not likely for many years to come
Just unbelievable
https://news.sky.com/story/health-minister-sacked-over-comments-posted-on-a-whatsapp-group-133052720 -
I think that says more about you than about the Lib Dems.MustaphaMondeo said:
I find it pretty much impossible to tell the Lib Dem’s with their boring positions impossible to tell apart from Tories.MaxPB said:What's least surprising here is that Lib Dem voters are nothing more than Labour lickspittles. We see it on here all the time where Lib Dems try their hardest to stick up for this shit government despite all of the evidence.
I just don’t see the point in them.
Labour are at least trying and failing to do positive things.1 -
To be fair, Iraq doesn't appear to be interested in stopping inward migration.TheScreamingEagles said:Jeremy Clarkson: Brexit makes me want to sit in a gutter and weep
Since we left the EU it’s been easier to get into Iraq than France. None of this has made our lives better in any way
https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/jeremy-clarkson-brexit-makes-me-want-to-sit-in-a-gutter-and-weep-8tz2fl5vr0 -
Theory: what did for Dom really was that Downing Street garden press conference. Not so much for the stupid stuff he said, as the fey way he said it. He stopped being menacing then.TheScreamingEagles said:Talking about people who are modest and self effacing
EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW
Dominic Cummings on Johnson’s fall: Obviously I orchestrated it
The Trump-Musk project? ‘Basically all great’. Badenoch? ‘Complete useless dud’. Ousting a prime minister? Like ‘cleaning the sewers’. Britain’s disruptor in chief doesn’t take questions often, but when he does…
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/dominic-cummings-boris-johnson-fall-obviously-i-orchestrated-it-qfbzb8qqf
If you want to be the shadowy power behind the throne, you have to stay in the shadows to maintain your scary mystique. Something that Morgan McSweeney doesn't seem to have learned.1 -
{considers the evidence}rottenborough said:
Just reading the article.TheScreamingEagles said:🚨 BREAKING: Keir Starmer has sacked Health Minister Andrew Gwynne after racist and sexist messages were leaked to the Mail, including one where he wished a pensioner who didn’t vote Labour would die before the next election
When will they learn about WhatsApp groups?
The third Tuesday after never.2 -
Yhe "how soon fo we rejoin?" Thread? Within 10 years is my betTheScreamingEagles said:
I am going to trigger some of you and give a lot of you aneurysms on Monday with the thread I have planned.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The constant argument over brexit is tedious, not least because we have left the EU and returning to it is not remotely on the cardsbiggles said:
You think there’s a majority for the Euro, Schengen, restrictions on things like iPhones, freedom of movement, and whatever else they introduce in the next year or two?Cleitophon said:
Sorry but there hasn't been a majority for brexit in years. Brexiteers are old and dying off furthermore brexit is a freaking omni-failure.... sorry but that is a fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Another 52/48 maybe and more decades of argumentCasino_Royale said:
Err, no. And, yes, I think it'd be clearly won by Stay Out and Rejoin would clock a low 40%.SonofContrarian said:
60/40 against? Really? A pretty ridiculous prediction..😏Casino_Royale said:
It'd be lost by over 60:40. This is like Queen Mary trying to overturn the Reformation.biggles said:
Because it isn’t “rejoining”. It’s joining. And those who know what that means know a ten point starting lead isn’t enough to win a referendum on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
45/37 in favour of rejoin in the latest pollCleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
It is widely accepted across politics including by the Lib Dems rejoining is years away if at all
Next.
You people simply have no idea how you come across.
The EU itself is not the EU we left, with considerable disagreements and political views within and goodness knows what shape it will be in by the time Trump has concluded his period in office
What is fair to discuss is how we improve relationships with the EU, which by the way Sunak started and Starmer continues and better trading terms including single market membership could be sensible, but rejoining is just not likely for many years to come0 -
As babies come out of the mother not the father. Plus for the very religious as the likes of St Paul say women cannot be priests and must be busy at home and subject to their husbands. Muslim scholars make clear only men should have a leadership role and the Koran makes clear the mother is responsible for a young child's upbringing and the man for their food and clothing.JosiasJessop said:
Yes, and as you can see, it is a continuum, not binary.HYUFD said:
Their ability to study at university and get a professional career is restricted.JosiasJessop said:
Women are not banned from having careers in Iran...HYUFD said:
I said I want to make it easier for women to be mothers and stay at home or only work part time not that I would ban women from having careersJosiasJessop said:
There are many different forms of religious fundamentalism - which is why fundamentalists often hate each other, or even fight. You have made it fairly clear in previous comments that you are a fundamentalist - particularly in your views towards women. You say 'restrict womens' ability to have careers', but I'm fairly sure you've also written about the need for women to stay at home.HYUFD said:
If I was a religious fundamentalist I would make weekly church attendance compulsory and non attendance met with a fine as was the case until the early 19th century in the UK and also make homosexuality illegal and abortion illegal and restrict womens' ability to have careers, none of which I support but which is the position in religious fundamentalist states like Iran and AfghanistanJosiasJessop said:
I' not sure you - as a religious fundamentalist - is in any position to define what 'liberal' should mean...HYUFD said:
Hyperliberalism is also in reality hyper wokeism and often quite intolerant of dissenting more traditional and socially conservative views. Wokeism is more hyper 'progressivism' in which gender, sexuality, race, nationhood etc is all seen through the prism of social injustice which must be rectified by redistrubution or wealth and power from those traditionally 'privileged' especially white heterosexual males. In some respects it is closer to socialism than liberalism.rcs1000 said:
Like any such analysis, that works both ways.Andy_JS said:I think the single most important thing to understand about politics in most western countries today is the fact that the hyperliberals, or alt-liberals, have decided they're not going to compromise on anything. They'd rather go down to defeat to populists than make the slightest concessions. This is what happened with the Democrats and Trump.
I could rewrite it and say that "The Right" hasn't decided to make any concessions to the Centre, and that they are responsible for "hyperliberalism".
The polarization isn't just one sided, and to pick a side and blame them for causing it is just lazy.
I would also point out that in 2023/2024, where the Nationalist/Populist Right was in power and faced an elections, they got hit too: see Brazil, India and Poland.
It's almost like voters *everywhere* had a shitty time as economies emerged from Covid and dealt with the impacts of the Ukraine invasion on energy prices.
True liberals are socially liberal but also more tolerant of others opinions and less eager to see everything through class, gender, sexuality and racial lines.
Your point on the cost of living being the main determinant of recent national elections is also correct
As for fundamentalism: here's a definition:
"fundamentalism, type of conservative religious movement characterized by the advocacy of strict conformity to sacred texts."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19665615
In Afghanistan the Taliban ban women from higher education completely and just 4.8% of women in Afghanistan work and then only in the few jobs women are allowed to work with a permit such as food preparation or tailoring
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2024-07-07/an-afghan-woman-wanted-to-be-a-doctor-now-she-makes-pickles-as-the-taliban-restricts-womens-roles
And as ever, you miss a fundamental point: why is it the woman who does not have to work? Where, in your theologically-based views, are the men in child-rearing? Why does the woman have to have restrictions on working if she has a child, whilst the men work? Why not the other way around?
Yet, as above, you always mention that it is women who have to give in their careers and look after the kids.
Though personally if the mother earns more than the father I don't have a problem with the man looking after the children at home and the mother working full time still0 -
That's pretty representative of a certain type of well-off liberal Tory Remoaner, IMHO.TheScreamingEagles said:Jeremy Clarkson: Brexit makes me want to sit in a gutter and weep
Since we left the EU it’s been easier to get into Iraq than France. None of this has made our lives better in any way
https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/jeremy-clarkson-brexit-makes-me-want-to-sit-in-a-gutter-and-weep-8tz2fl5vr4 -
That he's been sacked pretty much instantly?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sky's reportMoonRabbit said:
The Andrew Gwynne approach 👍🏻TheScreamingEagles said:
I am going to trigger some of you and give a lot of you aneurysms on Monday with the thread I have planned.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The constant argument over brexit is tedious, not least because we have left the EU and returning to it is not remotely on the cardsbiggles said:
You think there’s a majority for the Euro, Schengen, restrictions on things like iPhones, freedom of movement, and whatever else they introduce in the next year or two?Cleitophon said:
Sorry but there hasn't been a majority for brexit in years. Brexiteers are old and dying off furthermore brexit is a freaking omni-failure.... sorry but that is a fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Another 52/48 maybe and more decades of argumentCasino_Royale said:
Err, no. And, yes, I think it'd be clearly won by Stay Out and Rejoin would clock a low 40%.SonofContrarian said:
60/40 against? Really? A pretty ridiculous prediction..😏Casino_Royale said:
It'd be lost by over 60:40. This is like Queen Mary trying to overturn the Reformation.biggles said:
Because it isn’t “rejoining”. It’s joining. And those who know what that means know a ten point starting lead isn’t enough to win a referendum on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
45/37 in favour of rejoin in the latest pollCleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
It is widely accepted across politics including by the Lib Dems rejoining is years away if at all
Next.
You people simply have no idea how you come across.
The EU itself is not the EU we left, with considerable disagreements and political views within and goodness knows what shape it will be in by the time Trump has concluded his period in office
What is fair to discuss is how we improve relationships with the EU, which by the way Sunak started and Starmer continues and better trading terms including single market membership could be sensible, but rejoining is just not likely for many years to come
Just unbelievable
https://news.sky.com/story/health-minister-sacked-over-comments-posted-on-a-whatsapp-group-13305272
Only unbelievable by the standards of 2019-24.0 -
It's the old 'how long is a piece of string'Cicero said:
Yhe "how soon fo we rejoin?" Thread? Within 10 years is my betTheScreamingEagles said:
I am going to trigger some of you and give a lot of you aneurysms on Monday with the thread I have planned.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The constant argument over brexit is tedious, not least because we have left the EU and returning to it is not remotely on the cardsbiggles said:
You think there’s a majority for the Euro, Schengen, restrictions on things like iPhones, freedom of movement, and whatever else they introduce in the next year or two?Cleitophon said:
Sorry but there hasn't been a majority for brexit in years. Brexiteers are old and dying off furthermore brexit is a freaking omni-failure.... sorry but that is a fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Another 52/48 maybe and more decades of argumentCasino_Royale said:
Err, no. And, yes, I think it'd be clearly won by Stay Out and Rejoin would clock a low 40%.SonofContrarian said:
60/40 against? Really? A pretty ridiculous prediction..😏Casino_Royale said:
It'd be lost by over 60:40. This is like Queen Mary trying to overturn the Reformation.biggles said:
Because it isn’t “rejoining”. It’s joining. And those who know what that means know a ten point starting lead isn’t enough to win a referendum on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
45/37 in favour of rejoin in the latest pollCleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
It is widely accepted across politics including by the Lib Dems rejoining is years away if at all
Next.
You people simply have no idea how you come across.
The EU itself is not the EU we left, with considerable disagreements and political views within and goodness knows what shape it will be in by the time Trump has concluded his period in office
What is fair to discuss is how we improve relationships with the EU, which by the way Sunak started and Starmer continues and better trading terms including single market membership could be sensible, but rejoining is just not likely for many years to come0 -
No, Rejoin is certainly on the cards, but not this Parliament. It will be an issue at future elections, though probably in steps, such as going the Customs Union and/or the Single Market.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The constant argument over brexit is tedious, not least because we have left the EU and returning to it is not remotely on the cardsbiggles said:
You think there’s a majority for the Euro, Schengen, restrictions on things like iPhones, freedom of movement, and whatever else they introduce in the next year or two?Cleitophon said:
Sorry but there hasn't been a majority for brexit in years. Brexiteers are old and dying off furthermore brexit is a freaking omni-failure.... sorry but that is a fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Another 52/48 maybe and more decades of argumentCasino_Royale said:
Err, no. And, yes, I think it'd be clearly won by Stay Out and Rejoin would clock a low 40%.SonofContrarian said:
60/40 against? Really? A pretty ridiculous prediction..😏Casino_Royale said:
It'd be lost by over 60:40. This is like Queen Mary trying to overturn the Reformation.biggles said:
Because it isn’t “rejoining”. It’s joining. And those who know what that means know a ten point starting lead isn’t enough to win a referendum on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
45/37 in favour of rejoin in the latest pollCleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
It is widely accepted across politics including by the Lib Dems rejoining is years away if at all
Next.
You people simply have no idea how you come across.
The EU itself is not the EU we left, with considerable disagreements and political views within and goodness knows what shape it will be in by the time Trump has concluded his period in office
What is fair to discuss is how we improve relationships with the EU, which by the way Sunak started and Starmer continues and better trading terms including single market membership could be sensible, but rejoining is just not likely for many years to come
Just because some people don't want to consider it doesnt mean it's a dead issue.2 -
Trump is likely to be big helpFoxy said:No, Rejoin is certainly on the cards, but not this Parliament. It will be an issue at future elections, though probably in steps, such as going the Customs Union and/or the Single Market.
Just because some people don't want to consider it doesnt mean it's a dead issue.1 -
Well he does live in Cameron's old constituency which now has a LD MPCasino_Royale said:
That's pretty representative of a certain type of well-off liberal Tory Remoaner, IMHO.TheScreamingEagles said:Jeremy Clarkson: Brexit makes me want to sit in a gutter and weep
Since we left the EU it’s been easier to get into Iraq than France. None of this has made our lives better in any way
https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/jeremy-clarkson-brexit-makes-me-want-to-sit-in-a-gutter-and-weep-8tz2fl5vr0 -
But it’s still whinging about what we used to have. What we used to have is no longer available: we’ve taken it from you and you can never have it back. You all still whinge and moan and wave your silly EU flags because you know that really.Scott_xP said:
He's not wrongTheScreamingEagles said:Jeremy Clarkson: Brexit makes me want to sit in a gutter and weep
Since we left the EU it’s been easier to get into Iraq than France. None of this has made our lives better in any way
https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/jeremy-clarkson-brexit-makes-me-want-to-sit-in-a-gutter-and-weep-8tz2fl5vr
The Clarkson article is hilarious in fact, because of the implication that ease of travel for film companies should have been in any way considered as material in a debate about EU membership. It was his main point in the video he made at the time for the Remain campaign though, so he has been consistent.1 -
Brexit has been making us poorer.Foxy said:
No, Rejoin is certainly on the cards, but not this Parliament. It will be an issue at future elections, though probably in steps, such as going the Customs Union and/or the Single Market.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The constant argument over brexit is tedious, not least because we have left the EU and returning to it is not remotely on the cardsbiggles said:
You think there’s a majority for the Euro, Schengen, restrictions on things like iPhones, freedom of movement, and whatever else they introduce in the next year or two?Cleitophon said:
Sorry but there hasn't been a majority for brexit in years. Brexiteers are old and dying off furthermore brexit is a freaking omni-failure.... sorry but that is a fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Another 52/48 maybe and more decades of argumentCasino_Royale said:
Err, no. And, yes, I think it'd be clearly won by Stay Out and Rejoin would clock a low 40%.SonofContrarian said:
60/40 against? Really? A pretty ridiculous prediction..😏Casino_Royale said:
It'd be lost by over 60:40. This is like Queen Mary trying to overturn the Reformation.biggles said:
Because it isn’t “rejoining”. It’s joining. And those who know what that means know a ten point starting lead isn’t enough to win a referendum on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
45/37 in favour of rejoin in the latest pollCleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
It is widely accepted across politics including by the Lib Dems rejoining is years away if at all
Next.
You people simply have no idea how you come across.
The EU itself is not the EU we left, with considerable disagreements and political views within and goodness knows what shape it will be in by the time Trump has concluded his period in office
What is fair to discuss is how we improve relationships with the EU, which by the way Sunak started and Starmer continues and better trading terms including single market membership could be sensible, but rejoining is just not likely for many years to come
Just because some people don't want to consider it doesnt mean it's a dead issue.0 -
I'm amazed that people haven't learned about putting things in writing. It always comes back to bite you. I only ever used WhatsApp in emergencies in school, and my comments usually consisted of yes, no, and I never swore or called anyone anything. Same with my school emails. I used to read and reread them.Stuartinromford said:
That he's been sacked pretty much instantly?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sky's reportMoonRabbit said:
The Andrew Gwynne approach 👍🏻TheScreamingEagles said:
I am going to trigger some of you and give a lot of you aneurysms on Monday with the thread I have planned.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The constant argument over brexit is tedious, not least because we have left the EU and returning to it is not remotely on the cardsbiggles said:
You think there’s a majority for the Euro, Schengen, restrictions on things like iPhones, freedom of movement, and whatever else they introduce in the next year or two?Cleitophon said:
Sorry but there hasn't been a majority for brexit in years. Brexiteers are old and dying off furthermore brexit is a freaking omni-failure.... sorry but that is a fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Another 52/48 maybe and more decades of argumentCasino_Royale said:
Err, no. And, yes, I think it'd be clearly won by Stay Out and Rejoin would clock a low 40%.SonofContrarian said:
60/40 against? Really? A pretty ridiculous prediction..😏Casino_Royale said:
It'd be lost by over 60:40. This is like Queen Mary trying to overturn the Reformation.biggles said:
Because it isn’t “rejoining”. It’s joining. And those who know what that means know a ten point starting lead isn’t enough to win a referendum on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
45/37 in favour of rejoin in the latest pollCleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
It is widely accepted across politics including by the Lib Dems rejoining is years away if at all
Next.
You people simply have no idea how you come across.
The EU itself is not the EU we left, with considerable disagreements and political views within and goodness knows what shape it will be in by the time Trump has concluded his period in office
What is fair to discuss is how we improve relationships with the EU, which by the way Sunak started and Starmer continues and better trading terms including single market membership could be sensible, but rejoining is just not likely for many years to come
Just unbelievable
https://news.sky.com/story/health-minister-sacked-over-comments-posted-on-a-whatsapp-group-13305272
Only unbelievable by the standards of 2019-24.1 -
Desperate stuff.Foxy said:
No, Rejoin is certainly on the cards, but not this Parliament. It will be an issue at future elections, though probably in steps, such as going the Customs Union and/or the Single Market.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The constant argument over brexit is tedious, not least because we have left the EU and returning to it is not remotely on the cardsbiggles said:
You think there’s a majority for the Euro, Schengen, restrictions on things like iPhones, freedom of movement, and whatever else they introduce in the next year or two?Cleitophon said:
Sorry but there hasn't been a majority for brexit in years. Brexiteers are old and dying off furthermore brexit is a freaking omni-failure.... sorry but that is a fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Another 52/48 maybe and more decades of argumentCasino_Royale said:
Err, no. And, yes, I think it'd be clearly won by Stay Out and Rejoin would clock a low 40%.SonofContrarian said:
60/40 against? Really? A pretty ridiculous prediction..😏Casino_Royale said:
It'd be lost by over 60:40. This is like Queen Mary trying to overturn the Reformation.biggles said:
Because it isn’t “rejoining”. It’s joining. And those who know what that means know a ten point starting lead isn’t enough to win a referendum on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
45/37 in favour of rejoin in the latest pollCleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
It is widely accepted across politics including by the Lib Dems rejoining is years away if at all
Next.
You people simply have no idea how you come across.
The EU itself is not the EU we left, with considerable disagreements and political views within and goodness knows what shape it will be in by the time Trump has concluded his period in office
What is fair to discuss is how we improve relationships with the EU, which by the way Sunak started and Starmer continues and better trading terms including single market membership could be sensible, but rejoining is just not likely for many years to come
Just because some people don't want to consider it doesnt mean it's a dead issue.1 -
Far too much politics going on in the EU nations to make it a viable option. I think that the EU will be unstable for decades to come.Scott_xP said:
Trump is likely to be big helpFoxy said:No, Rejoin is certainly on the cards, but not this Parliament. It will be an issue at future elections, though probably in steps, such as going the Customs Union and/or the Single Market.
Just because some people don't want to consider it doesnt mean it's a dead issue.0 -
Possibly, certainly on most polls the LDs will be Kingmakers in a hung parliament after the next GE and they now want us to rejoin the Customs Union. Though rejoining the Single Market would make more sense as by 2028/29 we will have had no free movement from the EEA for 7 years which we would have had in part had Blair accepted transition controls on Eastern European migration for 7 years as he was allowed from 2004 to 2011. It would also still enable us to do our own trade deals unlike a Customs UnionFoxy said:
No, Rejoin is certainly on the cards, but not this Parliament. It will be an issue at future elections, though probably in steps, such as going the Customs Union and/or the Single Market.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The constant argument over brexit is tedious, not least because we have left the EU and returning to it is not remotely on the cardsbiggles said:
You think there’s a majority for the Euro, Schengen, restrictions on things like iPhones, freedom of movement, and whatever else they introduce in the next year or two?Cleitophon said:
Sorry but there hasn't been a majority for brexit in years. Brexiteers are old and dying off furthermore brexit is a freaking omni-failure.... sorry but that is a fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Another 52/48 maybe and more decades of argumentCasino_Royale said:
Err, no. And, yes, I think it'd be clearly won by Stay Out and Rejoin would clock a low 40%.SonofContrarian said:
60/40 against? Really? A pretty ridiculous prediction..😏Casino_Royale said:
It'd be lost by over 60:40. This is like Queen Mary trying to overturn the Reformation.biggles said:
Because it isn’t “rejoining”. It’s joining. And those who know what that means know a ten point starting lead isn’t enough to win a referendum on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
45/37 in favour of rejoin in the latest pollCleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
It is widely accepted across politics including by the Lib Dems rejoining is years away if at all
Next.
You people simply have no idea how you come across.
The EU itself is not the EU we left, with considerable disagreements and political views within and goodness knows what shape it will be in by the time Trump has concluded his period in office
What is fair to discuss is how we improve relationships with the EU, which by the way Sunak started and Starmer continues and better trading terms including single market membership could be sensible, but rejoining is just not likely for many years to come
Just because some people don't want to consider it doesnt mean it's a dead issue.0 -
Gwynne is somewhere on the left, as one of Corbyn's main GE campaigns people, so we might expect the odd grumble, but (a) he's bang to rights and (b) dissing Diane Abbott doesn't exactly help his case with the left.Stuartinromford said:
That he's been sacked pretty much instantly?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sky's reportMoonRabbit said:
The Andrew Gwynne approach 👍🏻TheScreamingEagles said:
I am going to trigger some of you and give a lot of you aneurysms on Monday with the thread I have planned.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The constant argument over brexit is tedious, not least because we have left the EU and returning to it is not remotely on the cardsbiggles said:
You think there’s a majority for the Euro, Schengen, restrictions on things like iPhones, freedom of movement, and whatever else they introduce in the next year or two?Cleitophon said:
Sorry but there hasn't been a majority for brexit in years. Brexiteers are old and dying off furthermore brexit is a freaking omni-failure.... sorry but that is a fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Another 52/48 maybe and more decades of argumentCasino_Royale said:
Err, no. And, yes, I think it'd be clearly won by Stay Out and Rejoin would clock a low 40%.SonofContrarian said:
60/40 against? Really? A pretty ridiculous prediction..😏Casino_Royale said:
It'd be lost by over 60:40. This is like Queen Mary trying to overturn the Reformation.biggles said:
Because it isn’t “rejoining”. It’s joining. And those who know what that means know a ten point starting lead isn’t enough to win a referendum on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
45/37 in favour of rejoin in the latest pollCleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
It is widely accepted across politics including by the Lib Dems rejoining is years away if at all
Next.
You people simply have no idea how you come across.
The EU itself is not the EU we left, with considerable disagreements and political views within and goodness knows what shape it will be in by the time Trump has concluded his period in office
What is fair to discuss is how we improve relationships with the EU, which by the way Sunak started and Starmer continues and better trading terms including single market membership could be sensible, but rejoining is just not likely for many years to come
Just unbelievable
https://news.sky.com/story/health-minister-sacked-over-comments-posted-on-a-whatsapp-group-13305272
Only unbelievable by the standards of 2019-24.
I wonder who the other (said to be neighbouring) MP who was in the WhatsApp group is?0 -
You spent four decades whinging and moaning before you managed that.biggles said:
But it’s still whinging about what we used to have. What we used to have is no longer available: we’ve taken it from you and you can never have it back...Scott_xP said:
He's not wrongTheScreamingEagles said:Jeremy Clarkson: Brexit makes me want to sit in a gutter and weep
Since we left the EU it’s been easier to get into Iraq than France. None of this has made our lives better in any way
https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/jeremy-clarkson-brexit-makes-me-want-to-sit-in-a-gutter-and-weep-8tz2fl5vr
Rejoining, should it ever happen, won’t take nearly as long.
In the meantime, just get used to it.
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Anti-Semitic comments plus racism against Abbott - sounds like a perfect plan to set your career in the Labour Party on fire.Pro_Rata said:
Gwynne is somewhere on the left, as one of Corbyn's main GE campaigns people, so we might expect the odd grumble, but (a) he's bang to rights and (b) dissing Diane Abbott doesn't exactly help his case with the left.Stuartinromford said:
That he's been sacked pretty much instantly?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sky's reportMoonRabbit said:
The Andrew Gwynne approach 👍🏻TheScreamingEagles said:
I am going to trigger some of you and give a lot of you aneurysms on Monday with the thread I have planned.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The constant argument over brexit is tedious, not least because we have left the EU and returning to it is not remotely on the cardsbiggles said:
You think there’s a majority for the Euro, Schengen, restrictions on things like iPhones, freedom of movement, and whatever else they introduce in the next year or two?Cleitophon said:
Sorry but there hasn't been a majority for brexit in years. Brexiteers are old and dying off furthermore brexit is a freaking omni-failure.... sorry but that is a fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Another 52/48 maybe and more decades of argumentCasino_Royale said:
Err, no. And, yes, I think it'd be clearly won by Stay Out and Rejoin would clock a low 40%.SonofContrarian said:
60/40 against? Really? A pretty ridiculous prediction..😏Casino_Royale said:
It'd be lost by over 60:40. This is like Queen Mary trying to overturn the Reformation.biggles said:
Because it isn’t “rejoining”. It’s joining. And those who know what that means know a ten point starting lead isn’t enough to win a referendum on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
45/37 in favour of rejoin in the latest pollCleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
It is widely accepted across politics including by the Lib Dems rejoining is years away if at all
Next.
You people simply have no idea how you come across.
The EU itself is not the EU we left, with considerable disagreements and political views within and goodness knows what shape it will be in by the time Trump has concluded his period in office
What is fair to discuss is how we improve relationships with the EU, which by the way Sunak started and Starmer continues and better trading terms including single market membership could be sensible, but rejoining is just not likely for many years to come
Just unbelievable
https://news.sky.com/story/health-minister-sacked-over-comments-posted-on-a-whatsapp-group-13305272
Only unbelievable by the standards of 2019-24.
I wonder who the other (said to be neighbouring) MP who was in the WhatsApp group is?0 -
Email is an excellent tool for documenting conversations.Daveyboy1961 said:
I'm amazed that people haven't learned about putting things in writing. It always comes back to bite you. I only ever used WhatsApp in emergencies in school, and my comments usually consisted of yes, no, and I never swore or called anyone anything. Same with my school emails. I used to read and reread them.Stuartinromford said:
That he's been sacked pretty much instantly?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sky's reportMoonRabbit said:
The Andrew Gwynne approach 👍🏻TheScreamingEagles said:
I am going to trigger some of you and give a lot of you aneurysms on Monday with the thread I have planned.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The constant argument over brexit is tedious, not least because we have left the EU and returning to it is not remotely on the cardsbiggles said:
You think there’s a majority for the Euro, Schengen, restrictions on things like iPhones, freedom of movement, and whatever else they introduce in the next year or two?Cleitophon said:
Sorry but there hasn't been a majority for brexit in years. Brexiteers are old and dying off furthermore brexit is a freaking omni-failure.... sorry but that is a fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Another 52/48 maybe and more decades of argumentCasino_Royale said:
Err, no. And, yes, I think it'd be clearly won by Stay Out and Rejoin would clock a low 40%.SonofContrarian said:
60/40 against? Really? A pretty ridiculous prediction..😏Casino_Royale said:
It'd be lost by over 60:40. This is like Queen Mary trying to overturn the Reformation.biggles said:
Because it isn’t “rejoining”. It’s joining. And those who know what that means know a ten point starting lead isn’t enough to win a referendum on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
45/37 in favour of rejoin in the latest pollCleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
It is widely accepted across politics including by the Lib Dems rejoining is years away if at all
Next.
You people simply have no idea how you come across.
The EU itself is not the EU we left, with considerable disagreements and political views within and goodness knows what shape it will be in by the time Trump has concluded his period in office
What is fair to discuss is how we improve relationships with the EU, which by the way Sunak started and Starmer continues and better trading terms including single market membership could be sensible, but rejoining is just not likely for many years to come
Just unbelievable
https://news.sky.com/story/health-minister-sacked-over-comments-posted-on-a-whatsapp-group-13305272
Only unbelievable by the standards of 2019-24.
So long as you’re aware of that’s what it is, it’s great.
Social media serves an analogous function, but it’s more like a multiyear diary … which anyone can read.0 -
From Brexiteers who want the argument dead and buried ?Casino_Royale said:
Desperate stuff.Foxy said:
No, Rejoin is certainly on the cards, but not this Parliament. It will be an issue at future elections, though probably in steps, such as going the Customs Union and/or the Single Market.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The constant argument over brexit is tedious, not least because we have left the EU and returning to it is not remotely on the cardsbiggles said:
You think there’s a majority for the Euro, Schengen, restrictions on things like iPhones, freedom of movement, and whatever else they introduce in the next year or two?Cleitophon said:
Sorry but there hasn't been a majority for brexit in years. Brexiteers are old and dying off furthermore brexit is a freaking omni-failure.... sorry but that is a fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Another 52/48 maybe and more decades of argumentCasino_Royale said:
Err, no. And, yes, I think it'd be clearly won by Stay Out and Rejoin would clock a low 40%.SonofContrarian said:
60/40 against? Really? A pretty ridiculous prediction..😏Casino_Royale said:
It'd be lost by over 60:40. This is like Queen Mary trying to overturn the Reformation.biggles said:
Because it isn’t “rejoining”. It’s joining. And those who know what that means know a ten point starting lead isn’t enough to win a referendum on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
45/37 in favour of rejoin in the latest pollCleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
It is widely accepted across politics including by the Lib Dems rejoining is years away if at all
Next.
You people simply have no idea how you come across.
The EU itself is not the EU we left, with considerable disagreements and political views within and goodness knows what shape it will be in by the time Trump has concluded his period in office
What is fair to discuss is how we improve relationships with the EU, which by the way Sunak started and Starmer continues and better trading terms including single market membership could be sensible, but rejoining is just not likely for many years to come
Just because some people don't want to consider it doesnt mean it's a dead issue.
Sure.0 -
Republicans against Trump
@RpsAgainstTrump
The Pentagon just announced that it would double the number of news organizations removed from physical offices to make room for MAGA propaganda media outlets.
OUT: The New York Times, Politico, NPR, The Washington Post, CNN, NBC, The Hill, The War Zone
IN: Breitbart, The New York Post, The Washington Examiner, OAN, Newsmax, HuffPost, The Free Press, The Daily Caller
They’re establishing state-run media, just as totalitarian regimes do.3 -
They are not hiding the Nazirottenborough said:Republicans against Trump
@RpsAgainstTrump
The Pentagon just announced that it would double the number of news organizations removed from physical offices to make room for MAGA propaganda media outlets.
OUT: The New York Times, Politico, NPR, The Washington Post, CNN, NBC, The Hill, The War Zone
IN: Breitbart, The New York Post, The Washington Examiner, OAN, Newsmax, HuffPost, The Free Press, The Daily Caller
They’re establishing state-run media, just as totalitarian regimes do.1 -
I've only read the sky link above, but if that is accurate the thing that strikes me most forcibly is that the three cases they mention are his constituent and his colleagues. Leaves me wondering how on earth he views those at greater removes.Pro_Rata said:
Gwynne is somewhere on the left, as one of Corbyn's main GE campaigns people, so we might expect the odd grumble, but (a) he's bang to rights and (b) dissing Diane Abbott doesn't exactly help his case with the left.Stuartinromford said:
That he's been sacked pretty much instantly?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sky's reportMoonRabbit said:
The Andrew Gwynne approach 👍🏻TheScreamingEagles said:
I am going to trigger some of you and give a lot of you aneurysms on Monday with the thread I have planned.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The constant argument over brexit is tedious, not least because we have left the EU and returning to it is not remotely on the cardsbiggles said:
You think there’s a majority for the Euro, Schengen, restrictions on things like iPhones, freedom of movement, and whatever else they introduce in the next year or two?Cleitophon said:
Sorry but there hasn't been a majority for brexit in years. Brexiteers are old and dying off furthermore brexit is a freaking omni-failure.... sorry but that is a fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Another 52/48 maybe and more decades of argumentCasino_Royale said:
Err, no. And, yes, I think it'd be clearly won by Stay Out and Rejoin would clock a low 40%.SonofContrarian said:
60/40 against? Really? A pretty ridiculous prediction..😏Casino_Royale said:
It'd be lost by over 60:40. This is like Queen Mary trying to overturn the Reformation.biggles said:
Because it isn’t “rejoining”. It’s joining. And those who know what that means know a ten point starting lead isn’t enough to win a referendum on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
45/37 in favour of rejoin in the latest pollCleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
It is widely accepted across politics including by the Lib Dems rejoining is years away if at all
Next.
You people simply have no idea how you come across.
The EU itself is not the EU we left, with considerable disagreements and political views within and goodness knows what shape it will be in by the time Trump has concluded his period in office
What is fair to discuss is how we improve relationships with the EU, which by the way Sunak started and Starmer continues and better trading terms including single market membership could be sensible, but rejoining is just not likely for many years to come
Just unbelievable
https://news.sky.com/story/health-minister-sacked-over-comments-posted-on-a-whatsapp-group-13305272
Only unbelievable by the standards of 2019-24.
I wonder who the other (said to be neighbouring) MP who was in the WhatsApp group is?
Good evening, everyone.1 -
You’re doing it wrong.TheScreamingEagles said:That was better than sex.
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More pertinently, with the Conservatives and Reform nudging close to 50%, it would be hard to win a vote to rejoin.Omnium said:
Far too much politics going on in the EU nations to make it a viable option. I think that the EU will be unstable for decades to come.Scott_xP said:
Trump is likely to be big helpFoxy said:No, Rejoin is certainly on the cards, but not this Parliament. It will be an issue at future elections, though probably in steps, such as going the Customs Union and/or the Single Market.
Just because some people don't want to consider it doesnt mean it's a dead issue.
It’s plain that centre- right/eurosceptic voters are not just dying off, without replacement.
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Everyone has their own kink.turbotubbs said:
You’re doing it wrong.TheScreamingEagles said:That was better than sex.
Don’t judge.0 -
Went to see The Brutalist a couple of days ago and it seemed more like a 2 and half hour film than a 3 and a half one, which probably means it's quite good.1
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See also Alastair Campbell having to quit when he became part of the story with the dodgy dossier.Stuartinromford said:
Theory: what did for Dom really was that Downing Street garden press conference. Not so much for the stupid stuff he said, as the fey way he said it. He stopped being menacing then.TheScreamingEagles said:Talking about people who are modest and self effacing
EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW
Dominic Cummings on Johnson’s fall: Obviously I orchestrated it
The Trump-Musk project? ‘Basically all great’. Badenoch? ‘Complete useless dud’. Ousting a prime minister? Like ‘cleaning the sewers’. Britain’s disruptor in chief doesn’t take questions often, but when he does…
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/dominic-cummings-boris-johnson-fall-obviously-i-orchestrated-it-qfbzb8qqf
If you want to be the shadowy power behind the throne, you have to stay in the shadows to maintain your scary mystique. Something that Morgan McSweeney doesn't seem to have learned.1 -
Nigelb said:
Everyone has their own kink.
Don’t judge.
Oh, I am definitely judging...TheScreamingEagles said:It was up there with season three of Picard.
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On current polls the next general election is likely to lead to a hung parliament and be a choice between Labour, the LDs and SNP as one block likely looking to rejoin a Customs Union with the EU and the Conservatives and Reform as the other block looking to keep the current EU trade deal but not align any closer to the EU (and in the case of Reform and the DUP and TUV looking to remove EU regulations over Northern Ireland as well).Sean_F said:
More pertinently, with the Conservatives and Reform nudging close to 50%, it would be hard to win a vote to rejoin.Omnium said:
Far too much politics going on in the EU nations to make it a viable option. I think that the EU will be unstable for decades to come.Scott_xP said:
Trump is likely to be big helpFoxy said:No, Rejoin is certainly on the cards, but not this Parliament. It will be an issue at future elections, though probably in steps, such as going the Customs Union and/or the Single Market.
Just because some people don't want to consider it doesnt mean it's a dead issue.
It’s plain that centre- right/eurosceptic voters are not just dying off, without replacement.
Neither block will look to rejoin the full EU though0 -
It's amazing to think that the referendum was nearly nine years ago. Feels like yesterday.Cicero said:
Yhe "how soon fo we rejoin?" Thread? Within 10 years is my betTheScreamingEagles said:
I am going to trigger some of you and give a lot of you aneurysms on Monday with the thread I have planned.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The constant argument over brexit is tedious, not least because we have left the EU and returning to it is not remotely on the cardsbiggles said:
You think there’s a majority for the Euro, Schengen, restrictions on things like iPhones, freedom of movement, and whatever else they introduce in the next year or two?Cleitophon said:
Sorry but there hasn't been a majority for brexit in years. Brexiteers are old and dying off furthermore brexit is a freaking omni-failure.... sorry but that is a fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Another 52/48 maybe and more decades of argumentCasino_Royale said:
Err, no. And, yes, I think it'd be clearly won by Stay Out and Rejoin would clock a low 40%.SonofContrarian said:
60/40 against? Really? A pretty ridiculous prediction..😏Casino_Royale said:
It'd be lost by over 60:40. This is like Queen Mary trying to overturn the Reformation.biggles said:
Because it isn’t “rejoining”. It’s joining. And those who know what that means know a ten point starting lead isn’t enough to win a referendum on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
45/37 in favour of rejoin in the latest pollCleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
It is widely accepted across politics including by the Lib Dems rejoining is years away if at all
Next.
You people simply have no idea how you come across.
The EU itself is not the EU we left, with considerable disagreements and political views within and goodness knows what shape it will be in by the time Trump has concluded his period in office
What is fair to discuss is how we improve relationships with the EU, which by the way Sunak started and Starmer continues and better trading terms including single market membership could be sensible, but rejoining is just not likely for many years to come1 -
"Badly misjudged comments" is the understatement of the year so far.TheScreamingEagles said:🚨 BREAKING: Keir Starmer has sacked Health Minister Andrew Gwynne after racist and sexist messages were leaked to the Mail, including one where he wished a pensioner who didn’t vote Labour would die before the next election
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https://x.com/michaellcrick/status/1888303120985330018
Which other Labour MPs are, or were, on the WhatsApp group where Andrew Gwynne made his horrific remarks? We should be told.2 -
We don’t want you to die Big G.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sky's reportMoonRabbit said:
The Andrew Gwynne approach 👍🏻TheScreamingEagles said:
I am going to trigger some of you and give a lot of you aneurysms on Monday with the thread I have planned.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The constant argument over brexit is tedious, not least because we have left the EU and returning to it is not remotely on the cardsbiggles said:
You think there’s a majority for the Euro, Schengen, restrictions on things like iPhones, freedom of movement, and whatever else they introduce in the next year or two?Cleitophon said:
Sorry but there hasn't been a majority for brexit in years. Brexiteers are old and dying off furthermore brexit is a freaking omni-failure.... sorry but that is a fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Another 52/48 maybe and more decades of argumentCasino_Royale said:
Err, no. And, yes, I think it'd be clearly won by Stay Out and Rejoin would clock a low 40%.SonofContrarian said:
60/40 against? Really? A pretty ridiculous prediction..😏Casino_Royale said:
It'd be lost by over 60:40. This is like Queen Mary trying to overturn the Reformation.biggles said:
Because it isn’t “rejoining”. It’s joining. And those who know what that means know a ten point starting lead isn’t enough to win a referendum on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
45/37 in favour of rejoin in the latest pollCleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
It is widely accepted across politics including by the Lib Dems rejoining is years away if at all
Next.
You people simply have no idea how you come across.
The EU itself is not the EU we left, with considerable disagreements and political views within and goodness knows what shape it will be in by the time Trump has concluded his period in office
What is fair to discuss is how we improve relationships with the EU, which by the way Sunak started and Starmer continues and better trading terms including single market membership could be sensible, but rejoining is just not likely for many years to come
Just unbelievable
https://news.sky.com/story/health-minister-sacked-over-comments-posted-on-a-whatsapp-group-13305272
We need your re-join vote in spring of 2030 when the next EU Referendum will take place.
Live long and prosper ❤️4 -
Next week Völkischer Beobachter get an office.Scott_xP said:
They are not hiding the Nazirottenborough said:Republicans against Trump
@RpsAgainstTrump
The Pentagon just announced that it would double the number of news organizations removed from physical offices to make room for MAGA propaganda media outlets.
OUT: The New York Times, Politico, NPR, The Washington Post, CNN, NBC, The Hill, The War Zone
IN: Breitbart, The New York Post, The Washington Examiner, OAN, Newsmax, HuffPost, The Free Press, The Daily Caller
They’re establishing state-run media, just as totalitarian regimes do.
0 -
non-paywall: https://archive.is/X6qM0TheScreamingEagles said:Jeremy Clarkson: Brexit makes me want to sit in a gutter and weep
Since we left the EU it’s been easier to get into Iraq than France. None of this has made our lives better in any way
https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/jeremy-clarkson-brexit-makes-me-want-to-sit-in-a-gutter-and-weep-8tz2fl5vr
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That was later, after James VII and II tried it on again and got the chop, albeit allowed by mistake accidentally for some strange reason to escape rather than having the hassle of literally chopping him.HYUFD said:
It was with an acceptance of constitutional not absolute monarchy and that Parliament was now supreme not the Crown.TimS said:
Or King Charles II trying to overturn Cromwell’s republic?Casino_Royale said:
It'd be lost by over 60:40. This is like Queen Mary trying to overturn the Reformation.biggles said:
Because it isn’t “rejoining”. It’s joining. And those who know what that means know a ten point starting lead isn’t enough to win a referendum on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
45/37 in favour of rejoin in the latest pollCleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
It is widely accepted across politics including by the Lib Dems rejoining is years away if at all
Next.
We may rejoin the single market in time but unlikely the full EU
Charles II just kicked the can down the road while having lots of luxury* (and helping create the Royal Society of London, and adopting Cromwell's bequest of a modern Navy).
*And bankrupting the Exchequer, IIRC, with all his mistresses, illegitimate sprogs and horses.
I do like Simon THurley's book on the Stuart palaces - including CIIR's little place at Newmarket. Never knew that before. Fascinating.0 -
Misjudged ?Andy_JS said:
"Badly misjudged comments" is the understatement of the year so far.TheScreamingEagles said:🚨 BREAKING: Keir Starmer has sacked Health Minister Andrew Gwynne after racist and sexist messages were leaked to the Mail, including one where he wished a pensioner who didn’t vote Labour would die before the next election
If judgment, good or bad, came into it, that’s even more damning.3 -
Non-paywall: https://archive.ph/DlzlOTheScreamingEagles said:Talking about people who are modest and self effacing
EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW
Dominic Cummings on Johnson’s fall: Obviously I orchestrated it
The Trump-Musk project? ‘Basically all great’. Badenoch? ‘Complete useless dud’. Ousting a prime minister? Like ‘cleaning the sewers’. Britain’s disruptor in chief doesn’t take questions often, but when he does…
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So kind and I am working on it as is my wonderful wife who is watching my every move as I am not permitted to lift muchMoonRabbit said:
We don’t want you to die Big G.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sky's reportMoonRabbit said:
The Andrew Gwynne approach 👍🏻TheScreamingEagles said:
I am going to trigger some of you and give a lot of you aneurysms on Monday with the thread I have planned.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The constant argument over brexit is tedious, not least because we have left the EU and returning to it is not remotely on the cardsbiggles said:
You think there’s a majority for the Euro, Schengen, restrictions on things like iPhones, freedom of movement, and whatever else they introduce in the next year or two?Cleitophon said:
Sorry but there hasn't been a majority for brexit in years. Brexiteers are old and dying off furthermore brexit is a freaking omni-failure.... sorry but that is a fact.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Another 52/48 maybe and more decades of argumentCasino_Royale said:
Err, no. And, yes, I think it'd be clearly won by Stay Out and Rejoin would clock a low 40%.SonofContrarian said:
60/40 against? Really? A pretty ridiculous prediction..😏Casino_Royale said:
It'd be lost by over 60:40. This is like Queen Mary trying to overturn the Reformation.biggles said:
Because it isn’t “rejoining”. It’s joining. And those who know what that means know a ten point starting lead isn’t enough to win a referendum on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
45/37 in favour of rejoin in the latest pollCleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
It is widely accepted across politics including by the Lib Dems rejoining is years away if at all
Next.
You people simply have no idea how you come across.
The EU itself is not the EU we left, with considerable disagreements and political views within and goodness knows what shape it will be in by the time Trump has concluded his period in office
What is fair to discuss is how we improve relationships with the EU, which by the way Sunak started and Starmer continues and better trading terms including single market membership could be sensible, but rejoining is just not likely for many years to come
Just unbelievable
https://news.sky.com/story/health-minister-sacked-over-comments-posted-on-a-whatsapp-group-13305272
We need your re-join vote in spring of 2030 when the next EU Referendum will take place.
Live long and prosper ❤️
I really do not know how I would vote in another referendum as there are so many unknowns
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Probably because support for Reform isn't necessarily to do with Brexit these days. It's more to do with politicians continually making promises, such as on lowering migration figures, that they don't keep.Cleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
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Like all those Brexit promises Farage made ?Andy_JS said:
Probably because support for Reform isn't necessarily to do with Brexit these days. It's more to do with politicians continually making promises, such as on lowering migration figures, that they don't keep.Cleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
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They think they are untouchable. He isn't the first and won't be the last. I wonder if he will face deselection?Andy_JS said:
"Badly misjudged comments" is the understatement of the year so far.TheScreamingEagles said:🚨 BREAKING: Keir Starmer has sacked Health Minister Andrew Gwynne after racist and sexist messages were leaked to the Mail, including one where he wished a pensioner who didn’t vote Labour would die before the next election
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I expect that migration figures will drop dramatically over the next year or two, the number of visas being granted is way, way down. I dont expect either Reform or Tory voters to soften towards Labour as a result. It will just radicalise them further to demands for expulsion of resident migrants.Andy_JS said:
Probably because support for Reform isn't necessarily to do with Brexit these days. It's more to do with politicians continually making promises, such as on lowering migration figures, that they don't keep.Cleitophon said:I am confounded how reform can do so well while brexit support is in such radical decline (rejoin and dropping red lines have huge support). I guess even farage has been critical of brexit lately 🤷♂️
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