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  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,232

    Foxy said:

    I remember reading somewhere that Errol took the young Elon to school in a Rolls-Royce, in the period when apartheid was breaking down.

    Meanwhile, he seemed to be harbouring lots of hostility to his father. I see the roots of all sorts of problems here, Dr Freud would say.

    I think this sums it up, from an old friend of mine:

    The super-wealthy are mostly fascist because they need to tell themselves a story about how talent and genes made them rich, when it was really inheritance and exploitation.

    This is why they are queuing up to fund Farage.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ruthholliday.bsky.social/post/3ldnr7ssvwh24

    Let's hope the Online Safety Bill improves the standard of Internet discourse. It's a bit of a blunt instrument, but there is undeniably a massive problem of politically driven misinformation.

    If not then perhaps the internet and social media deserve to die.
    Bill Gates seems to have bucked the trend. As far as I'm aware, he appears to have used his billions largely as a force for good.
    Guilty conscience.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,954
    boulay said:

    kinabalu said:

    Carnyx said:

    Selebian said:

    Tate launches the BRUV party. Starmer must be quaking in his boots.
    https://www.votebruv.co.uk/bruv_2.pdf
    I mean look at these policies... they'll be even more appealing than the Absolute Boy's was.
    "Knife Crime Epidemic: Zero Tolerance, Maximum
    Deterrence
    6
    Last year, there were 50,000 knife crime offences in Englan
    and Wales. That’s 137 every single day. Mothers burying sons.
    Fathers burying daughters. Lives stolen. Futures destroyed. And
    what’s the punishment? A slap on the wrist? A few years in jail?
    No. The punishment will be seen by every Briton, every day.
    Introducing BBC Punishment—a 24/7 live broadcast of knife
    crime offenders serving solitary confinement. No redempt
    arcs. No second chances. Just the cold, hard reality of a life
    wasted in a concrete cell.
    Imagine a 15-year-old boy, tempted to pick up a blade, turning
    on the TV and seeing a man grow old and die alone. That’s not
    cruelty—it’s deterrence. And it will save lives."

    Spoof? Or real? I honestly can't tell any more.

    It looks like a spoof, but then Tate looks like a character from Little Britain or a Sacha Baron Cohen creation.

    If it's real, then with that tortuous backronym he could have a great future naming scientific studies :lol:
    And biological taxa.
    To me, Tate seems to be a contestant of some kind of low rent spinoff of Big Brother, who’s climbed through the screen.

    A horrible character, written by a bad writer.
    He comes from reality tv, I believe. Tate, Trump, Hopkins ... the sector is something of a far right academy.

    Is Farage's successor right now on our screens in something or other? The way things are going you wouldn't rule it out.
    Keep an eye on Winkelman - behind that fringe is a dark authoritarian mind waiting to unleash her perfectly timed and choreographed goosesteppers.
    Lol, yes. Although to be more serious, I'd say Love Island is a likelier breeding ground for radicalisation.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,647

    Morning, PB Campers.

    I see that.Musk is now calling Davey a "snivelling cretin" for criticising him. He really is a real-life Bond villain.

    (One of) the (many) odd thing(s) about Musk is that apparently he has an open mind to technical solutions and is willing to listen when people push back - hence why his projects do tend to work, despite their seemingly outrageous ambition and targets - and yet when it comes to politics, he shows all the tolerance of criticism as any other autocrat.

    Now, perhaps that can be reconciled in that technical solutions either work or don't work, and in any case, everyone there is working towards the same (his) end. Any cat to catch a mouse, and all that.

    But whatever, he doesn't have much idea about how to win over the public, or how to finesse through policy.

    He is going to come badly undone and it will be spectacular. And joyous.
    It seems that he has changed over time even in the technical solutions front. As well as the ugliness and unsellability (in the EU and UK) of Cybertruck, reportedly the issues with Starship Flight 1 (the concrete underneath disintegrating and causing serious damage to the vehicle as well as to the launch site and environmental ructions) were foreseen by his civil engineers. They warned him that it really needed some sort of flame mitigation system, and he ended up firing them.
    The bit about the flame mitigation system is not correct.

    SpaceX were already fabricating the deluge system they now use. As noted by the various watchers at Boca Chica.

    A combination of permitting confusion (the various regulating agencies couldn’t work out how their permits would interact) and an analysis that the concrete would hold up for the initial flight led them to go with that.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,615
    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Zuckerberg says that Facebook will replace their censorship policies with X-style community notes and will work with Trump to combat foreign governments who want to impose censorship.

    https://x.com/esaagar/status/1876612227807236310

    ZuckMAGAberg.
    Community notes are objectively better than censorship. A really great way to stop misinformation without sending people down the conspiracy route.
    His comments bracketing Europe with Latin America and China as places with draconian laws won't go down well with the establishment here. You can see why Clegg was no longer a good fit for them.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,369
    MaxPB said:

    I'm told that Sony pre-sold their initial allocation of the electric car within a few hours of reservations going live. I'll be interested to see how much of the premium market they manage to carve out for EVs, the prices are pretty high at $89k and $102k. Delivery for the cheaper model is now all the way out to 2027 already, the first ones are expected at the end of this year.

    It's interesting to me that Japan's fightback in EVs will probably come from this initiative rather than from Nissan who were early runners with the Leaf.

    If my source is right and the initial allocation is all reserved already it also shows how big the market for a premium brand EV is and what Jaguar could have achieved without the completely braindead rebrand.

    There was an interesting article a few days ago (sorry, I don't remember where I saw it) about why the UK EV market has slowed down so dramatically after several years of repeatedly beating expectations. They had surveyed a large number of car buyers and owners.

    It seems the answer is in charging cost and convenience, more than range anxiety and vehicle price (which had been the usual explanation). While home charging has continued to fall in price for those with the right tariff, public charging points have become massively expensive in line with the overall rise in electricity prices while fuel costs have declined. So if you rely on public charging it's no longer cheaper to run an electric car than a diesel or petrol one.

    Another example of how our wholesale electricity market really needs to be restructured so that people can access cheap marginal prices more easily.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,071
    Home. Nearly had an expensive with the car when it decided to slide sideways onto the corner of my oil bund. Driveway is steep at the top with a turn as you come in. Bund on the downhill inside corner.

    Car came to rest touching the corner on the FR wheel cover and the very edge of the black plastic wheel arch. Couldn't get traction forward. Couldn't go backward without ripping the bumper off.

    Chocked the car. Outer layer of blocks on the bund falling out - due for repointing in the summer. So out comes the sledgehammer and with a bit of careful banging managed to remove the corner it was wedged on. Chocked so no further sliding. Can then straighten the wheel and roll it backwards for a semi-controlled slide away from the danger point. Fun fun fun...
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,071
    Should have had lunch in Madrid, instead I am sledgehammering my wall to avoid a bill of £lots for the car. Fun
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,369
    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Zuckerberg says that Facebook will replace their censorship policies with X-style community notes and will work with Trump to combat foreign governments who want to impose censorship.

    https://x.com/esaagar/status/1876612227807236310

    ZuckMAGAberg.
    Community notes are objectively better than censorship. A really great way to stop misinformation without sending people down the conspiracy route.
    Community notes is the one extremely good innovation on the platform since Musk took over. I don't know who's idea it was, but well done them.

    Everything else: the rebrand, the paid for ticks, the "for you" feed, and the proliferation of bots and spam, all make it a less enjoyable experience. It's still a good platform though. I continue to use it, though less than before.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,232

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Zuckerberg says that Facebook will replace their censorship policies with X-style community notes and will work with Trump to combat foreign governments who want to impose censorship.

    https://x.com/esaagar/status/1876612227807236310

    ZuckMAGAberg.
    Community notes are objectively better than censorship. A really great way to stop misinformation without sending people down the conspiracy route.
    His comments bracketing Europe with Latin America and China as places with draconian laws won't go down well with the establishment here. You can see why Clegg was no longer a good fit for them.
    Indeed. I did say just a few days ago that Zuck would be very likely to go over to the dark side sooner rather than later. It's been coming for a while, you can tell from his public statements over the past year that he's also fed up of people having to censor everything they say because some blue haired weirdo will press the report button 1000 times.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,954

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pulpstar said:

    You’ll never guess what YouGov has just polled me on.


    I'm surprised you're still prepared to run this site with the combo of the existing UK libel laws and this new insidious & invidious "safety" act.
    I’ve taken some legal advice, I think it is doable if PBers behave, if not.

    The ban on discussing the grooming story is a test run….
    Think so, hope so.

    If the OSB were to kill PB there would be something badly wrong with where it's aiming.
    IIRC 98% of those arrested under the Prevention of Terrorism Act were young black men, at one point.

    Edit: The PIRA had one (1) black member that we know of. He wasn’t arrested under the PTA, as it happens.
    Yep. Laws can be exploited for the wrong ends. That's a good example of it.
    No.

    Laws *will be* exploited for bad ends. Which is why good laws are carefully written. Rather than “If you do something that upsets people enough - guilty. Something and upset to be defined by a regulator with no practical accountability. Oh, and telling the truth isn’t a defence.”
    "Good laws are carefully written"

    You're on fire.
    Interesting that you don’t understand the concept - see philosophy since the Greeks.

    The writing of a law that then enables those in power to actually define it, unaccountably, is the subject of many books.

    Or is it just that you are ok with -

    “It is by my order and for the good of the state that the bearer of this has done what he has done.”

    ?
    Do stop being a preening pretentious twat, Malmesbury, there's a good boy.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,054
    TimS said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm told that Sony pre-sold their initial allocation of the electric car within a few hours of reservations going live. I'll be interested to see how much of the premium market they manage to carve out for EVs, the prices are pretty high at $89k and $102k. Delivery for the cheaper model is now all the way out to 2027 already, the first ones are expected at the end of this year.

    It's interesting to me that Japan's fightback in EVs will probably come from this initiative rather than from Nissan who were early runners with the Leaf.

    If my source is right and the initial allocation is all reserved already it also shows how big the market for a premium brand EV is and what Jaguar could have achieved without the completely braindead rebrand.

    There was an interesting article a few days ago (sorry, I don't remember where I saw it) about why the UK EV market has slowed down so dramatically after several years of repeatedly beating expectations. They had surveyed a large number of car buyers and owners.

    It seems the answer is in charging cost and convenience, more than range anxiety and vehicle price (which had been the usual explanation). While home charging has continued to fall in price for those with the right tariff, public charging points have become massively expensive in line with the overall rise in electricity prices while fuel costs have declined. So if you rely on public charging it's no longer cheaper to run an electric car than a diesel or petrol one.

    Another example of how our wholesale electricity market really needs to be restructured so that people can access cheap marginal prices more easily.
    Isn't it the lack of charging points, rather than the underlying market price of electricity, that is the issue? Service station economics.

    At Tebay the Teslas were lined up waiting as if it were a Calmac ferry. They could have charged them a fortune.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,954
    Cicero said:

    kinabalu said:

    Carnyx said:

    Selebian said:

    Tate launches the BRUV party. Starmer must be quaking in his boots.
    https://www.votebruv.co.uk/bruv_2.pdf
    I mean look at these policies... they'll be even more appealing than the Absolute Boy's was.
    "Knife Crime Epidemic: Zero Tolerance, Maximum
    Deterrence
    6
    Last year, there were 50,000 knife crime offences in Englan
    and Wales. That’s 137 every single day. Mothers burying sons.
    Fathers burying daughters. Lives stolen. Futures destroyed. And
    what’s the punishment? A slap on the wrist? A few years in jail?
    No. The punishment will be seen by every Briton, every day.
    Introducing BBC Punishment—a 24/7 live broadcast of knife
    crime offenders serving solitary confinement. No redempt
    arcs. No second chances. Just the cold, hard reality of a life
    wasted in a concrete cell.
    Imagine a 15-year-old boy, tempted to pick up a blade, turning
    on the TV and seeing a man grow old and die alone. That’s not
    cruelty—it’s deterrence. And it will save lives."

    Spoof? Or real? I honestly can't tell any more.

    It looks like a spoof, but then Tate looks like a character from Little Britain or a Sacha Baron Cohen creation.

    If it's real, then with that tortuous backronym he could have a great future naming scientific studies :lol:
    And biological taxa.
    To me, Tate seems to be a contestant of some kind of low rent spinoff of Big Brother, who’s climbed through the screen.

    A horrible character, written by a bad writer.
    He comes from reality tv, I believe. Tate, Trump, Hopkins ... the sector is something of a far right academy.

    Is Farage's successor right now on our screens in something or other? The way things are going you wouldn't rule it out.
    Philip K Dick, George Orwell and with a touch of William Gibson….
    Andy Warhol... in the future the Tory leaders will last 15 minutes.
    Hey, came across a comment of yours from July 2021 where you predict a Con meltdown at the next GE. Not just defeat but a meltdown.

    Outstanding bit of work.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,395
    Foxy said:

    I remember reading somewhere that Errol took the young Elon to school in a Rolls-Royce, in the period when apartheid was breaking down.

    Meanwhile, he seemed to be harbouring lots of hostility to his father. I see the roots of all sorts of problems here, Dr Freud would say.

    I think this sums it up, from an old friend of mine:

    The super-wealthy are mostly fascist because they need to tell themselves a story about how talent and genes made them rich, when it was really inheritance and exploitation.

    This is why they are queuing up to fund Farage.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ruthholliday.bsky.social/post/3ldnr7ssvwh24

    Let's hope the Online Safety Bill improves the standard of Internet discourse. It's a bit of a blunt instrument, but there is undeniably a massive problem of politically driven misinformation.

    If not then perhaps the internet and social media deserve to die.
    If that were true we could suggest that most doctors are fascist as they need to tell a story about how talent and genes made them rich/supremely superior, when it was really inheritance and good fortune (and the school that they were lucky enough to go to).
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,369
    Eabhal said:

    TimS said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm told that Sony pre-sold their initial allocation of the electric car within a few hours of reservations going live. I'll be interested to see how much of the premium market they manage to carve out for EVs, the prices are pretty high at $89k and $102k. Delivery for the cheaper model is now all the way out to 2027 already, the first ones are expected at the end of this year.

    It's interesting to me that Japan's fightback in EVs will probably come from this initiative rather than from Nissan who were early runners with the Leaf.

    If my source is right and the initial allocation is all reserved already it also shows how big the market for a premium brand EV is and what Jaguar could have achieved without the completely braindead rebrand.

    There was an interesting article a few days ago (sorry, I don't remember where I saw it) about why the UK EV market has slowed down so dramatically after several years of repeatedly beating expectations. They had surveyed a large number of car buyers and owners.

    It seems the answer is in charging cost and convenience, more than range anxiety and vehicle price (which had been the usual explanation). While home charging has continued to fall in price for those with the right tariff, public charging points have become massively expensive in line with the overall rise in electricity prices while fuel costs have declined. So if you rely on public charging it's no longer cheaper to run an electric car than a diesel or petrol one.

    Another example of how our wholesale electricity market really needs to be restructured so that people can access cheap marginal prices more easily.
    Isn't it the lack of charging points, rather than the underlying market price of electricity, that is the issue? Service station economics.

    At Tebay the Teslas were lined up waiting as if it were a Calmac ferry. They could have charged them a fortune.
    According to the survey that was less important than the economics. If you already have an EV then availability is obviously an issue, but if you are currently on ICE and considering switching, the cost of charging especially for those without off street parking was coming out top.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,071
    edited January 7
    Eabhal said:

    TimS said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm told that Sony pre-sold their initial allocation of the electric car within a few hours of reservations going live. I'll be interested to see how much of the premium market they manage to carve out for EVs, the prices are pretty high at $89k and $102k. Delivery for the cheaper model is now all the way out to 2027 already, the first ones are expected at the end of this year.

    It's interesting to me that Japan's fightback in EVs will probably come from this initiative rather than from Nissan who were early runners with the Leaf.

    If my source is right and the initial allocation is all reserved already it also shows how big the market for a premium brand EV is and what Jaguar could have achieved without the completely braindead rebrand.

    There was an interesting article a few days ago (sorry, I don't remember where I saw it) about why the UK EV market has slowed down so dramatically after several years of repeatedly beating expectations. They had surveyed a large number of car buyers and owners.

    It seems the answer is in charging cost and convenience, more than range anxiety and vehicle price (which had been the usual explanation). While home charging has continued to fall in price for those with the right tariff, public charging points have become massively expensive in line with the overall rise in electricity prices while fuel costs have declined. So if you rely on public charging it's no longer cheaper to run an electric car than a diesel or petrol one.

    Another example of how our wholesale electricity market really needs to be restructured so that people can access cheap marginal prices more easily.
    Isn't it the lack of charging points, rather than the underlying market price of electricity, that is the issue? Service station economics.

    At Tebay the Teslas were lined up waiting as if it were a Calmac ferry. They could have charged them a fortune.
    Haven't been mega Tesla queues at Tebay since they upgraded the chargers. Went from 8x V2 stalls to 12x V3 stalls - a 100% increase in capacity thanks to higher charging speeds.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,647
    edited January 7
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Zuckerberg says that Facebook will replace their censorship policies with X-style community notes and will work with Trump to combat foreign governments who want to impose censorship.

    https://x.com/esaagar/status/1876612227807236310

    ZuckMAGAberg.
    Community notes are objectively better than censorship. A really great way to stop misinformation without sending people down the conspiracy route.
    His comments bracketing Europe with Latin America and China as places with draconian laws won't go down well with the establishment here. You can see why Clegg was no longer a good fit for them.
    Indeed. I did say just a few days ago that Zuck would be very likely to go over to the dark side sooner rather than later. It's been coming for a while, you can tell from his public statements over the past year that he's also fed up of people having to censor everything they say because some blue haired weirdo will press the report button 1000 times.
    In a way he is right. {Ed - Suckerberg… Right???!}

    Both China and increasingly, EU (and other) countries are demanding censorship online. A chunk of what they want to censor is the same things. A further chunk is content not conforming to a set of social-political rules, to managed by the state.

    We should be clear on what we are asking for. Saying “It isn’t censorship to censor bad stuff” is simply self deluding.

    Personally, I would be looking at algorithmically recommended content…
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,395

    Zuckerberg says that Facebook will replace their censorship policies with X-style community notes and will work with Trump to combat foreign governments who want to impose censorship.

    https://x.com/esaagar/status/1876612227807236310

    Meanwhile, Trump sucks up to Putin.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,954
    TimS said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Zuckerberg says that Facebook will replace their censorship policies with X-style community notes and will work with Trump to combat foreign governments who want to impose censorship.

    https://x.com/esaagar/status/1876612227807236310

    ZuckMAGAberg.
    Community notes are objectively better than censorship. A really great way to stop misinformation without sending people down the conspiracy route.
    Community notes is the one extremely good innovation on the platform since Musk took over. I don't know who's idea it was, but well done them.

    Everything else: the rebrand, the paid for ticks, the "for you" feed, and the proliferation of bots and spam, all make it a less enjoyable experience. It's still a good platform though. I continue to use it, though less than before.
    Does Musk himself ever get community noted?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,369

    Foxy said:

    I remember reading somewhere that Errol took the young Elon to school in a Rolls-Royce, in the period when apartheid was breaking down.

    Meanwhile, he seemed to be harbouring lots of hostility to his father. I see the roots of all sorts of problems here, Dr Freud would say.

    I think this sums it up, from an old friend of mine:

    The super-wealthy are mostly fascist because they need to tell themselves a story about how talent and genes made them rich, when it was really inheritance and exploitation.

    This is why they are queuing up to fund Farage.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ruthholliday.bsky.social/post/3ldnr7ssvwh24

    Let's hope the Online Safety Bill improves the standard of Internet discourse. It's a bit of a blunt instrument, but there is undeniably a massive problem of politically driven misinformation.

    If not then perhaps the internet and social media deserve to die.
    If that were true we could suggest that most doctors are fascist as they need to tell a story about how talent and genes made them rich/supremely superior, when it was really inheritance and good fortune (and the school that they were lucky enough to go to).
    Leaving aside your attempted trolling, isn't it the case that the mega-rich almost all have a streak of megalomania and ruthlessness, usually by necessity, and are going to be emotionally inclined towards social Darwinism and strong man theory.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,232
    kinabalu said:

    TimS said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Zuckerberg says that Facebook will replace their censorship policies with X-style community notes and will work with Trump to combat foreign governments who want to impose censorship.

    https://x.com/esaagar/status/1876612227807236310

    ZuckMAGAberg.
    Community notes are objectively better than censorship. A really great way to stop misinformation without sending people down the conspiracy route.
    Community notes is the one extremely good innovation on the platform since Musk took over. I don't know who's idea it was, but well done them.

    Everything else: the rebrand, the paid for ticks, the "for you" feed, and the proliferation of bots and spam, all make it a less enjoyable experience. It's still a good platform though. I continue to use it, though less than before.
    Does Musk himself ever get community noted?
    Yes, a lot. He can't delete them either which sometimes makes them very funny.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,367

    Foxy said:

    I remember reading somewhere that Errol took the young Elon to school in a Rolls-Royce, in the period when apartheid was breaking down.

    Meanwhile, he seemed to be harbouring lots of hostility to his father. I see the roots of all sorts of problems here, Dr Freud would say.

    I think this sums it up, from an old friend of mine:

    The super-wealthy are mostly fascist because they need to tell themselves a story about how talent and genes made them rich, when it was really inheritance and exploitation.

    This is why they are queuing up to fund Farage.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ruthholliday.bsky.social/post/3ldnr7ssvwh24

    Let's hope the Online Safety Bill improves the standard of Internet discourse. It's a bit of a blunt instrument, but there is undeniably a massive problem of politically driven misinformation.

    If not then perhaps the internet and social media deserve to die.
    If that were true we could suggest that most doctors are fascist as they need to tell a story about how talent and genes made them rich/supremely superior, when it was really inheritance and good fortune (and the school that they were lucky enough to go to).
    Doctors aren't fascist, they mostly vote Labour after the massive payrise the Labour government has given NHS GPs.

    The public sector rich vote Labour or LD mostly, the private sector rich vote Tory or LD mostly, it is only really super rich entrepreneurs who backed Leave and Trump who vote Reform
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,071
    The Zuck realises that to compete he needs to remove moderation from Facebook. Hadn't realised there was any - its already a fact free for all
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,054

    Eabhal said:

    TimS said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm told that Sony pre-sold their initial allocation of the electric car within a few hours of reservations going live. I'll be interested to see how much of the premium market they manage to carve out for EVs, the prices are pretty high at $89k and $102k. Delivery for the cheaper model is now all the way out to 2027 already, the first ones are expected at the end of this year.

    It's interesting to me that Japan's fightback in EVs will probably come from this initiative rather than from Nissan who were early runners with the Leaf.

    If my source is right and the initial allocation is all reserved already it also shows how big the market for a premium brand EV is and what Jaguar could have achieved without the completely braindead rebrand.

    There was an interesting article a few days ago (sorry, I don't remember where I saw it) about why the UK EV market has slowed down so dramatically after several years of repeatedly beating expectations. They had surveyed a large number of car buyers and owners.

    It seems the answer is in charging cost and convenience, more than range anxiety and vehicle price (which had been the usual explanation). While home charging has continued to fall in price for those with the right tariff, public charging points have become massively expensive in line with the overall rise in electricity prices while fuel costs have declined. So if you rely on public charging it's no longer cheaper to run an electric car than a diesel or petrol one.

    Another example of how our wholesale electricity market really needs to be restructured so that people can access cheap marginal prices more easily.
    Isn't it the lack of charging points, rather than the underlying market price of electricity, that is the issue? Service station economics.

    At Tebay the Teslas were lined up waiting as if it were a Calmac ferry. They could have charged them a fortune.
    Haven't been mega Tesla queues at Tebay since they upgraded the chargers. Went from 8x V2 stalls to 12x V3 stalls - a 100% increase in capacity thanks to higher charging speeds.
    It was Christmas I suppose.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,054
    edited January 7
    TimS said:

    Eabhal said:

    TimS said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm told that Sony pre-sold their initial allocation of the electric car within a few hours of reservations going live. I'll be interested to see how much of the premium market they manage to carve out for EVs, the prices are pretty high at $89k and $102k. Delivery for the cheaper model is now all the way out to 2027 already, the first ones are expected at the end of this year.

    It's interesting to me that Japan's fightback in EVs will probably come from this initiative rather than from Nissan who were early runners with the Leaf.

    If my source is right and the initial allocation is all reserved already it also shows how big the market for a premium brand EV is and what Jaguar could have achieved without the completely braindead rebrand.

    There was an interesting article a few days ago (sorry, I don't remember where I saw it) about why the UK EV market has slowed down so dramatically after several years of repeatedly beating expectations. They had surveyed a large number of car buyers and owners.

    It seems the answer is in charging cost and convenience, more than range anxiety and vehicle price (which had been the usual explanation). While home charging has continued to fall in price for those with the right tariff, public charging points have become massively expensive in line with the overall rise in electricity prices while fuel costs have declined. So if you rely on public charging it's no longer cheaper to run an electric car than a diesel or petrol one.

    Another example of how our wholesale electricity market really needs to be restructured so that people can access cheap marginal prices more easily.
    Isn't it the lack of charging points, rather than the underlying market price of electricity, that is the issue? Service station economics.

    At Tebay the Teslas were lined up waiting as if it were a Calmac ferry. They could have charged them a fortune.
    According to the survey that was less important than the economics. If you already have an EV then availability is obviously an issue, but if you are currently on ICE and considering switching, the cost of charging especially for those without off street parking was coming out top.
    I meant that the price that can be charged at rapid chargers is set by their scarcity, not by the underlying cost of electricity (or the cost of installing them). That's why the cost of charging is so high.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,344

    Foxy said:

    I remember reading somewhere that Errol took the young Elon to school in a Rolls-Royce, in the period when apartheid was breaking down.

    Meanwhile, he seemed to be harbouring lots of hostility to his father. I see the roots of all sorts of problems here, Dr Freud would say.

    I think this sums it up, from an old friend of mine:

    The super-wealthy are mostly fascist because they need to tell themselves a story about how talent and genes made them rich, when it was really inheritance and exploitation.

    This is why they are queuing up to fund Farage.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ruthholliday.bsky.social/post/3ldnr7ssvwh24

    Let's hope the Online Safety Bill improves the standard of Internet discourse. It's a bit of a blunt instrument, but there is undeniably a massive problem of politically driven misinformation.

    If not then perhaps the internet and social media deserve to die.
    If that were true we could suggest that most doctors are fascist as they need to tell a story about how talent and genes made them rich/supremely superior, when it was really inheritance and good fortune (and the school that they were lucky enough to go to).
    To an extent, though it shows as arrogance and entitlement.

    The difference is that the super-rich inflict their arrogance and entitlement on everyone because of their financial clout, the rest of us only get to annoy our immediate contacts, and robust interpersonal feedback tends to downgrade that arrogance and entitlement.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,045
    edited January 7

    Morning, PB Campers.

    I see that.Musk is now calling Davey a "snivelling cretin" for criticising him. He really is a real-life Bond villain.

    (One of) the (many) odd thing(s) about Musk is that apparently he has an open mind to technical solutions and is willing to listen when people push back - hence why his projects do tend to work, despite their seemingly outrageous ambition and targets - and yet when it comes to politics, he shows all the tolerance of criticism as any other autocrat.

    Now, perhaps that can be reconciled in that technical solutions either work or don't work, and in any case, everyone there is working towards the same (his) end. Any cat to catch a mouse, and all that.

    But whatever, he doesn't have much idea about how to win over the public, or how to finesse through policy.

    He is going to come badly undone and it will be spectacular. And joyous.
    It seems that he has changed over time even in the technical solutions front. As well as the ugliness and unsellability (in the EU and UK) of Cybertruck, reportedly the issues with Starship Flight 1 (the concrete underneath disintegrating and causing serious damage to the vehicle as well as to the launch site and environmental ructions) were foreseen by his civil engineers. They warned him that it really needed some sort of flame mitigation system, and he ended up firing them.
    The bit about the flame mitigation system is not correct.

    SpaceX were already fabricating the deluge system they now use. As noted by the various watchers at Boca Chica.

    A combination of permitting confusion (the various regulating agencies couldn’t work out how their permits would interact) and an analysis that the concrete would hold up for the initial flight led them to go with that.
    They were indeed working on the deluge system, but his civil engineers warned that the concrete would not hold up for the initial flight and they should wait for the deluge system.

    He overrode them and when some kept arguing, that's when they got fired.

    EDIT: Damn, can't find the reference, which means you should take the above with a pinch of salt, of course.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,954
    Pulpstar said:

    kinabalu said:

    Carnyx said:

    Selebian said:

    Tate launches the BRUV party. Starmer must be quaking in his boots.
    https://www.votebruv.co.uk/bruv_2.pdf
    I mean look at these policies... they'll be even more appealing than the Absolute Boy's was.
    "Knife Crime Epidemic: Zero Tolerance, Maximum
    Deterrence
    6
    Last year, there were 50,000 knife crime offences in Englan
    and Wales. That’s 137 every single day. Mothers burying sons.
    Fathers burying daughters. Lives stolen. Futures destroyed. And
    what’s the punishment? A slap on the wrist? A few years in jail?
    No. The punishment will be seen by every Briton, every day.
    Introducing BBC Punishment—a 24/7 live broadcast of knife
    crime offenders serving solitary confinement. No redempt
    arcs. No second chances. Just the cold, hard reality of a life
    wasted in a concrete cell.
    Imagine a 15-year-old boy, tempted to pick up a blade, turning
    on the TV and seeing a man grow old and die alone. That’s not
    cruelty—it’s deterrence. And it will save lives."

    Spoof? Or real? I honestly can't tell any more.

    It looks like a spoof, but then Tate looks like a character from Little Britain or a Sacha Baron Cohen creation.

    If it's real, then with that tortuous backronym he could have a great future naming scientific studies :lol:
    And biological taxa.
    To me, Tate seems to be a contestant of some kind of low rent spinoff of Big Brother, who’s climbed through the screen.

    A horrible character, written by a bad writer.
    He comes from reality tv, I believe. Tate, Trump, Hopkins ... the sector is something of a far right academy.

    Is Farage's successor right now on our screens in something or other? The way things are going you wouldn't rule it out.
    Just looked up Lowe, 7 years older than Farage so it won't be him. Too short at 30-1 next PM imo.

    Also Bozza at 16-1 ! A preposterous price lol.

    So now I'm -£128 Farage, Bozza or Lowe against +£67.51 anyone else
    Looks a solid start for a book, that.

    Downside with that market though - if Lab win again under SKS it could be yonks until it settles.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,647
    TimS said:

    Eabhal said:

    TimS said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm told that Sony pre-sold their initial allocation of the electric car within a few hours of reservations going live. I'll be interested to see how much of the premium market they manage to carve out for EVs, the prices are pretty high at $89k and $102k. Delivery for the cheaper model is now all the way out to 2027 already, the first ones are expected at the end of this year.

    It's interesting to me that Japan's fightback in EVs will probably come from this initiative rather than from Nissan who were early runners with the Leaf.

    If my source is right and the initial allocation is all reserved already it also shows how big the market for a premium brand EV is and what Jaguar could have achieved without the completely braindead rebrand.

    There was an interesting article a few days ago (sorry, I don't remember where I saw it) about why the UK EV market has slowed down so dramatically after several years of repeatedly beating expectations. They had surveyed a large number of car buyers and owners.

    It seems the answer is in charging cost and convenience, more than range anxiety and vehicle price (which had been the usual explanation). While home charging has continued to fall in price for those with the right tariff, public charging points have become massively expensive in line with the overall rise in electricity prices while fuel costs have declined. So if you rely on public charging it's no longer cheaper to run an electric car than a diesel or petrol one.

    Another example of how our wholesale electricity market really needs to be restructured so that people can access cheap marginal prices more easily.
    Isn't it the lack of charging points, rather than the underlying market price of electricity, that is the issue? Service station economics.

    At Tebay the Teslas were lined up waiting as if it were a Calmac ferry. They could have charged them a fortune.
    According to the survey that was less important than the economics. If you already have an EV then availability is obviously an issue, but if you are currently on ICE and considering switching, the cost of charging especially for those without off street parking was coming out top.
    The problem is that outside the Tesla Supercharger network, poor reliability, price gouging and poor provision are standard.

    Which is why Tesla won the charging standards war in the US. Everyone wants to their network.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,367

    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    Off-topic: Do any of our academics have a view on MDPI nowadays? Specifically 'Journal of Clinical Medicine'. Are they still seen as junk publishers? I've been sent a review request for a paper that is in my field and which is making, from the abstract, some extravagant claims - it seems a run of the mill analysis claiming rather more. I don't want to waste my time if the journal is going to just rubber stamp it anyway.

    (I don't generally review for journals I don't know nowadays, but this article is very much in my area, so considering it).

    I'd review it as normal, but accept that they might ignore your review...

    Laughably I received an invitation to review a paper on the 23rd December with a 7 day expected response. I did not review said paper... I know that journals like to get reviewers moving and not everyone celebrates Christmas but still...
    Nice. We got sent some article proofs on the 24th. Just people clearing their desks, I guess.

    I'll maybe have a look at the review if I have time. The authors look legit and the abstract reads ok, probably just a bit of a nothing paper that they can't get any of the proper journals to publish.
    It's also because Americans don't have holidays! Lots of Americans expect to work between Xmas and New Year.
    Americans only get 10 days of paid annual leave on average, the lowest in the OECD. Even the Japanese get 10 days of paid annual leave and 8 days of paid holiday.

    Brits get 20 days of paid annual leave, the French get the most paid annual leave at 30 days unsurprisingly with the Portuguese and Spanish getting the most paid holiday time and the most overall paid annual leave and paid holidays at 25 days

    https://www.etui.org/sites/default/files/EEEPB 03 2007 BBA.pdf
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,232

    The Zuck realises that to compete he needs to remove moderation from Facebook. Hadn't realised there was any - its already a fact free for all

    It's not about removing moderation so much as removing censorship of people's opinions. There is still going to be moderation of illegal content or content that encourages people to commit illegal acts or suicide but you won't get censored for saying variations of "orange man good" or "Kamala bad" as you would have in 2016-2022.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,954
    MaxPB said:

    kinabalu said:

    TimS said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Zuckerberg says that Facebook will replace their censorship policies with X-style community notes and will work with Trump to combat foreign governments who want to impose censorship.

    https://x.com/esaagar/status/1876612227807236310

    ZuckMAGAberg.
    Community notes are objectively better than censorship. A really great way to stop misinformation without sending people down the conspiracy route.
    Community notes is the one extremely good innovation on the platform since Musk took over. I don't know who's idea it was, but well done them.

    Everything else: the rebrand, the paid for ticks, the "for you" feed, and the proliferation of bots and spam, all make it a less enjoyable experience. It's still a good platform though. I continue to use it, though less than before.
    Does Musk himself ever get community noted?
    Yes, a lot. He can't delete them either which sometimes makes them very funny.
    Ah OK. Well I'll stick an entry in his credit ledger then. There's plenty of space there.
  • MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Zuckerberg says that Facebook will replace their censorship policies with X-style community notes and will work with Trump to combat foreign governments who want to impose censorship.

    https://x.com/esaagar/status/1876612227807236310

    ZuckMAGAberg.
    Community notes are objectively better than censorship. A really great way to stop misinformation without sending people down the conspiracy route.
    His comments bracketing Europe with Latin America and China as places with draconian laws won't go down well with the establishment here. You can see why Clegg was no longer a good fit for them.
    Indeed. I did say just a few days ago that Zuck would be very likely to go over to the dark side sooner rather than later. It's been coming for a while, you can tell from his public statements over the past year that he's also fed up of people having to censor everything they say because some blue haired weirdo will press the report button 1000 times.
    In a way he is right. {Ed - Suckerberg… Right???!}

    Both China and increasingly, EU (and other) countries are demanding censorship online. A chunk of what they want to censor is the same things. A further chunk is content not conforming to a set of social-political rules, to managed by the state.

    We should be clear on what we are asking for. Saying “It isn’t censorship to censor bad stuff” is simply self deluding.

    Personally, I would be looking at algorithmically recommended content…
    Where would you class Nazi-era antisemitic cartoons and posters ? That's an example of what's not being moderated on Twitter at the moment, and why it's turning in a very dangerous sewer.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,860
    Eabhal said:

    TimS said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm told that Sony pre-sold their initial allocation of the electric car within a few hours of reservations going live. I'll be interested to see how much of the premium market they manage to carve out for EVs, the prices are pretty high at $89k and $102k. Delivery for the cheaper model is now all the way out to 2027 already, the first ones are expected at the end of this year.

    It's interesting to me that Japan's fightback in EVs will probably come from this initiative rather than from Nissan who were early runners with the Leaf.

    If my source is right and the initial allocation is all reserved already it also shows how big the market for a premium brand EV is and what Jaguar could have achieved without the completely braindead rebrand.

    There was an interesting article a few days ago (sorry, I don't remember where I saw it) about why the UK EV market has slowed down so dramatically after several years of repeatedly beating expectations. They had surveyed a large number of car buyers and owners.

    It seems the answer is in charging cost and convenience, more than range anxiety and vehicle price (which had been the usual explanation). While home charging has continued to fall in price for those with the right tariff, public charging points have become massively expensive in line with the overall rise in electricity prices while fuel costs have declined. So if you rely on public charging it's no longer cheaper to run an electric car than a diesel or petrol one.

    Another example of how our wholesale electricity market really needs to be restructured so that people can access cheap marginal prices more easily.
    Isn't it the lack of charging points, rather than the underlying market price of electricity, that is the issue? Service station economics.

    At Tebay the Teslas were lined up waiting as if it were a Calmac ferry. They could have charged them a fortune.
    Some friends visited over Christmas from Netherlands with a shiny new electric Hyundai. Had a few dramas with chargers on the way, but mainly due to the necessary apps being, in some cases, unavailable to non-UK phones in the app store or not being able to register a payment card with a Dutch address. Range was fine.

    Public charging does seem like a bit of an unholy mess at the moment, in some places.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,232
    Wow Zuck is moving the moderation team out of California and into Texas to avoid claims of bias or agendas from the Californian moderation team. While I think Zuck was already on this journey from about 2021 during COVID after he was asked to censor the lab leak on Facebook and Instagram this shows he has kissed the ring.
  • Racial slurs are now also routine in many parts of twitter, particularly anti-,black and antisemitic ones. I can even see these starting to gain a foothold among posters from places like India, for instance.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,780

    Zuckerberg says that Facebook will replace their censorship policies with X-style community notes and will work with Trump to combat foreign governments who want to impose censorship.

    https://x.com/esaagar/status/1876612227807236310

    Until it becomes more profitable to suck up to someone else, in which case he will work with anyone to do whatever will make him the most money.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,367
    edited January 7

    Racial slurs are now also routine in many parts of twitter, particularly anti-,black and antisemitic ones. I can even see these starting to gain a foothold among posters from places like India, for instance.

    More anti Islam ones albeit there are some militant Islamist tweeters too
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,052
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Zuckerberg says that Facebook will replace their censorship policies with X-style community notes and will work with Trump to combat foreign governments who want to impose censorship.

    https://x.com/esaagar/status/1876612227807236310

    ZuckMAGAberg.
    Community notes are objectively better than censorship. A really great way to stop misinformation without sending people down the conspiracy route.
    His comments bracketing Europe with Latin America and China as places with draconian laws won't go down well with the establishment here. You can see why Clegg was no longer a good fit for them.
    Indeed. I did say just a few days ago that Zuck would be very likely to go over to the dark side sooner rather than later. It's been coming for a while, you can tell from his public statements over the past year that he's also fed up of people having to censor everything they say because some blue haired weirdo will press the report button 1000 times.
    Not sure Zuck was ever on the light side, tbh.

    I think Gates was, tbf.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,617
    HYUFD said:

    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    Off-topic: Do any of our academics have a view on MDPI nowadays? Specifically 'Journal of Clinical Medicine'. Are they still seen as junk publishers? I've been sent a review request for a paper that is in my field and which is making, from the abstract, some extravagant claims - it seems a run of the mill analysis claiming rather more. I don't want to waste my time if the journal is going to just rubber stamp it anyway.

    (I don't generally review for journals I don't know nowadays, but this article is very much in my area, so considering it).

    I'd review it as normal, but accept that they might ignore your review...

    Laughably I received an invitation to review a paper on the 23rd December with a 7 day expected response. I did not review said paper... I know that journals like to get reviewers moving and not everyone celebrates Christmas but still...
    Nice. We got sent some article proofs on the 24th. Just people clearing their desks, I guess.

    I'll maybe have a look at the review if I have time. The authors look legit and the abstract reads ok, probably just a bit of a nothing paper that they can't get any of the proper journals to publish.
    It's also because Americans don't have holidays! Lots of Americans expect to work between Xmas and New Year.
    Americans only get 10 days of paid annual leave on average, the lowest in the OECD. Even the Japanese get 10 days of paid annual leave and 8 days of paid holiday.

    Brits get 20 days of paid annual leave, the French get the most paid annual leave at 30 days unsurprisingly with the Portuguese and Spanish getting the most paid holiday time and the most overall paid annual leave and paid holidays at 25 days

    https://www.etui.org/sites/default/files/EEEPB 03 2007 BBA.pdf
    I get 30 days + public holidays, so not all UK are on 20 days.
  • MaxPB said:

    The Zuck realises that to compete he needs to remove moderation from Facebook. Hadn't realised there was any - its already a fact free for all

    It's not about removing moderation so much as removing censorship of people's opinions. There is still going to be moderation of illegal content or content that encourages people to commit illegal acts or suicide but you won't get censored for saying variations of "orange man good" or "Kamala bad" as you would have in 2016-2022.
    Twitter is far, far more laissez-faire than thar now. Antisemitic memes like "Every. Single. Time" ( The Jews are always behind it, this means) are everywhere, often accompanied by 1930s racial cartoons.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,389

    The Zuck realises that to compete he needs to remove moderation from Facebook. Hadn't realised there was any - its already a fact free for all

    There certainly is, I got a weeks ban for referring to a woman, on a Chronicle article, as "trash" for racially abusing a neighbour. IT was a couple of years back.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,389
    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    Off-topic: Do any of our academics have a view on MDPI nowadays? Specifically 'Journal of Clinical Medicine'. Are they still seen as junk publishers? I've been sent a review request for a paper that is in my field and which is making, from the abstract, some extravagant claims - it seems a run of the mill analysis claiming rather more. I don't want to waste my time if the journal is going to just rubber stamp it anyway.

    (I don't generally review for journals I don't know nowadays, but this article is very much in my area, so considering it).

    I'd review it as normal, but accept that they might ignore your review...

    Laughably I received an invitation to review a paper on the 23rd December with a 7 day expected response. I did not review said paper... I know that journals like to get reviewers moving and not everyone celebrates Christmas but still...
    Nice. We got sent some article proofs on the 24th. Just people clearing their desks, I guess.

    I'll maybe have a look at the review if I have time. The authors look legit and the abstract reads ok, probably just a bit of a nothing paper that they can't get any of the proper journals to publish.
    It's also because Americans don't have holidays! Lots of Americans expect to work between Xmas and New Year.
    Americans only get 10 days of paid annual leave on average, the lowest in the OECD. Even the Japanese get 10 days of paid annual leave and 8 days of paid holiday.

    Brits get 20 days of paid annual leave, the French get the most paid annual leave at 30 days unsurprisingly with the Portuguese and Spanish getting the most paid holiday time and the most overall paid annual leave and paid holidays at 25 days

    https://www.etui.org/sites/default/files/EEEPB 03 2007 BBA.pdf
    I get 30 days + public holidays, so not all UK are on 20 days.
    So do I, or will until I retire in 7 weeks.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,860
    edited January 7
    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    Off-topic: Do any of our academics have a view on MDPI nowadays? Specifically 'Journal of Clinical Medicine'. Are they still seen as junk publishers? I've been sent a review request for a paper that is in my field and which is making, from the abstract, some extravagant claims - it seems a run of the mill analysis claiming rather more. I don't want to waste my time if the journal is going to just rubber stamp it anyway.

    (I don't generally review for journals I don't know nowadays, but this article is very much in my area, so considering it).

    I'd review it as normal, but accept that they might ignore your review...

    Laughably I received an invitation to review a paper on the 23rd December with a 7 day expected response. I did not review said paper... I know that journals like to get reviewers moving and not everyone celebrates Christmas but still...
    Nice. We got sent some article proofs on the 24th. Just people clearing their desks, I guess.

    I'll maybe have a look at the review if I have time. The authors look legit and the abstract reads ok, probably just a bit of a nothing paper that they can't get any of the proper journals to publish.
    It's also because Americans don't have holidays! Lots of Americans expect to work between Xmas and New Year.
    Americans only get 10 days of paid annual leave on average, the lowest in the OECD. Even the Japanese get 10 days of paid annual leave and 8 days of paid holiday.

    Brits get 20 days of paid annual leave, the French get the most paid annual leave at 30 days unsurprisingly with the Portuguese and Spanish getting the most paid holiday time and the most overall paid annual leave and paid holidays at 25 days

    https://www.etui.org/sites/default/files/EEEPB 03 2007 BBA.pdf
    I get 30 days + public holidays, so not all UK are on 20 days.
    Same here. Least I've ever had is 25 plus public holidays, I think. Best was 35 plus public holidays.

    ETA: I was never quite sure that the 35 days plus public holidays wasn't just some administrative cock-up in the new leave booking system. I never felt it necessary to check :wink:
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,647

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Zuckerberg says that Facebook will replace their censorship policies with X-style community notes and will work with Trump to combat foreign governments who want to impose censorship.

    https://x.com/esaagar/status/1876612227807236310

    ZuckMAGAberg.
    Community notes are objectively better than censorship. A really great way to stop misinformation without sending people down the conspiracy route.
    His comments bracketing Europe with Latin America and China as places with draconian laws won't go down well with the establishment here. You can see why Clegg was no longer a good fit for them.
    Indeed. I did say just a few days ago that Zuck would be very likely to go over to the dark side sooner rather than later. It's been coming for a while, you can tell from his public statements over the past year that he's also fed up of people having to censor everything they say because some blue haired weirdo will press the report button 1000 times.
    In a way he is right. {Ed - Suckerberg… Right???!}

    Both China and increasingly, EU (and other) countries are demanding censorship online. A chunk of what they want to censor is the same things. A further chunk is content not conforming to a set of social-political rules, to managed by the state.

    We should be clear on what we are asking for. Saying “It isn’t censorship to censor bad stuff” is simply self deluding.

    Personally, I would be looking at algorithmically recommended content…
    Where would you class Nazi-era antisemitic cartoons and posters ? That's an example of what's not being moderated on Twitter at the moment, and why it's turning in a very dangerous sewer.
    Which follows on the history of all unmoderated message boards/social media since they were invented. They turn into cesspools.

    The cartoons/posters are the classic argument for censorship, in the modern era. See the actions of the German government in a range of media since the post war government was established.

    IIRC there was a minor row a number of years ago - various government newspapers in the dictatorial parts of the Arab world were using anti-Semitic cartoons ripped off from the Nazi era. IIRC (again) the Bavarian state owns them and their copyright, precisely to stop people publishing them.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,571
    MaxPB said:

    The Zuck realises that to compete he needs to remove moderation from Facebook. Hadn't realised there was any - its already a fact free for all

    It's not about removing moderation so much as removing censorship of people's opinions. There is still going to be moderation of illegal content or content that encourages people to commit illegal acts or suicide but you won't get censored for saying variations of "orange man good" or "Kamala bad" as you would have in 2016-2022.
    "...content that encourages people to commit illegal acts..."

    I'm not sure that's compatible with free speech. How else do you get to change the law?
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,389
    The chief executive of the UK’s speech and language therapists’ professional body has apologised after “accidentally” following Tommy Robinson on X.

    Steve Jamieson, the chief of the Royal College of Speech and Language Therapists (RCSLT), said he was “deeply sorry for the hurt, upset, distress, fear and anger that this caused members, colleagues and staff”, after it was revealed he was following the jailed political activist, real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, in August 2024.

    The RCSLT’s board of trustees ordered a formal investigation, including appointing a barrister, which found Mr Jamieson’s personal account was following Robinson on X, and “on the balance of probabilities it was deemed that this was an accidental follow”, of which Mr Jamieson was unaware.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/royal-college-chief-deeply-sorry-for-accidentally-following-tommy-robinson-on-x/ar-AA1x6rBo?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=814d57ea634b4b2ebd1c5da0d4c068ba&ei=11
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,954
    edited January 7

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Zuckerberg says that Facebook will replace their censorship policies with X-style community notes and will work with Trump to combat foreign governments who want to impose censorship.

    https://x.com/esaagar/status/1876612227807236310

    ZuckMAGAberg.
    Community notes are objectively better than censorship. A really great way to stop misinformation without sending people down the conspiracy route.
    His comments bracketing Europe with Latin America and China as places with draconian laws won't go down well with the establishment here. You can see why Clegg was no longer a good fit for them.
    Indeed. I did say just a few days ago that Zuck would be very likely to go over to the dark side sooner rather than later. It's been coming for a while, you can tell from his public statements over the past year that he's also fed up of people having to censor everything they say because some blue haired weirdo will press the report button 1000 times.
    In a way he is right. {Ed - Suckerberg… Right???!}

    Both China and increasingly, EU (and other) countries are demanding censorship online. A chunk of what they want to censor is the same things. A further chunk is content not conforming to a set of social-political rules, to managed by the state.

    We should be clear on what we are asking for. Saying “It isn’t censorship to censor bad stuff” is simply self deluding.

    Personally, I would be looking at algorithmically recommended content…
    It's wacky. I typically go to check on Ash Sarkar or Owen Jones and then I get steered to the latest from Elon Musk. Ah ha, I think, saving me from the dreaded echo chamber, excellent. But then I test that by going first to somebody grim like Neil Oliver, to see if it then points me to Owen Jones or Sarkar or ilk, but no, it's Musk again.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,647
    Selebian said:

    Eabhal said:

    TimS said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm told that Sony pre-sold their initial allocation of the electric car within a few hours of reservations going live. I'll be interested to see how much of the premium market they manage to carve out for EVs, the prices are pretty high at $89k and $102k. Delivery for the cheaper model is now all the way out to 2027 already, the first ones are expected at the end of this year.

    It's interesting to me that Japan's fightback in EVs will probably come from this initiative rather than from Nissan who were early runners with the Leaf.

    If my source is right and the initial allocation is all reserved already it also shows how big the market for a premium brand EV is and what Jaguar could have achieved without the completely braindead rebrand.

    There was an interesting article a few days ago (sorry, I don't remember where I saw it) about why the UK EV market has slowed down so dramatically after several years of repeatedly beating expectations. They had surveyed a large number of car buyers and owners.

    It seems the answer is in charging cost and convenience, more than range anxiety and vehicle price (which had been the usual explanation). While home charging has continued to fall in price for those with the right tariff, public charging points have become massively expensive in line with the overall rise in electricity prices while fuel costs have declined. So if you rely on public charging it's no longer cheaper to run an electric car than a diesel or petrol one.

    Another example of how our wholesale electricity market really needs to be restructured so that people can access cheap marginal prices more easily.
    Isn't it the lack of charging points, rather than the underlying market price of electricity, that is the issue? Service station economics.

    At Tebay the Teslas were lined up waiting as if it were a Calmac ferry. They could have charged them a fortune.
    Some friends visited over Christmas from Netherlands with a shiny new electric Hyundai. Had a few dramas with chargers on the way, but mainly due to the necessary apps being, in some cases, unavailable to non-UK phones in the app store or not being able to register a payment card with a Dutch address. Range was fine.

    Public charging does seem like a bit of an unholy mess at the moment, in some places.
    The difference between the Tesla and non-Tesla experience is stark.

    Done trips across Europe in Teslas - the charging is simply park, plug, coffee.

    The non-Tesla experience is always worse.

    There is a need, simply, to standardise charging.

    Something also needs to be done about removing subsidies for chargers with low availability (always broken)
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,054
    edited January 7
    Taz said:

    The chief executive of the UK’s speech and language therapists’ professional body has apologised after “accidentally” following Tommy Robinson on X.

    Steve Jamieson, the chief of the Royal College of Speech and Language Therapists (RCSLT), said he was “deeply sorry for the hurt, upset, distress, fear and anger that this caused members, colleagues and staff”, after it was revealed he was following the jailed political activist, real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, in August 2024.

    The RCSLT’s board of trustees ordered a formal investigation, including appointing a barrister, which found Mr Jamieson’s personal account was following Robinson on X, and “on the balance of probabilities it was deemed that this was an accidental follow”, of which Mr Jamieson was unaware.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/royal-college-chief-deeply-sorry-for-accidentally-following-tommy-robinson-on-x/ar-AA1x6rBo?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=814d57ea634b4b2ebd1c5da0d4c068ba&ei=11

    Hmmmm. I follow all the local anti-cycling campaigners so I have my rebuttals and data ready for an effective deputation. Know thine enemy.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,083
    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    The chief executive of the UK’s speech and language therapists’ professional body has apologised after “accidentally” following Tommy Robinson on X.

    Steve Jamieson, the chief of the Royal College of Speech and Language Therapists (RCSLT), said he was “deeply sorry for the hurt, upset, distress, fear and anger that this caused members, colleagues and staff”, after it was revealed he was following the jailed political activist, real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, in August 2024.

    The RCSLT’s board of trustees ordered a formal investigation, including appointing a barrister, which found Mr Jamieson’s personal account was following Robinson on X, and “on the balance of probabilities it was deemed that this was an accidental follow”, of which Mr Jamieson was unaware.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/royal-college-chief-deeply-sorry-for-accidentally-following-tommy-robinson-on-x/ar-AA1x6rBo?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=814d57ea634b4b2ebd1c5da0d4c068ba&ei=11

    Hmmmm. I follow all the local anti-cycling campaigners so I have my rebuttals and data ready for an effective deputation. Know thine enemy.
    Exactly. Following doesn't mean you endorse someone.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,647
    edited January 7
    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    The chief executive of the UK’s speech and language therapists’ professional body has apologised after “accidentally” following Tommy Robinson on X.

    Steve Jamieson, the chief of the Royal College of Speech and Language Therapists (RCSLT), said he was “deeply sorry for the hurt, upset, distress, fear and anger that this caused members, colleagues and staff”, after it was revealed he was following the jailed political activist, real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, in August 2024.

    The RCSLT’s board of trustees ordered a formal investigation, including appointing a barrister, which found Mr Jamieson’s personal account was following Robinson on X, and “on the balance of probabilities it was deemed that this was an accidental follow”, of which Mr Jamieson was unaware.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/royal-college-chief-deeply-sorry-for-accidentally-following-tommy-robinson-on-x/ar-AA1x6rBo?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=814d57ea634b4b2ebd1c5da0d4c068ba&ei=11

    Hmmmm. I follow all the local anti-cycling campaigners so I have my rebuttals and data ready for an effective deputation. Know thine enemy.
    I presume that numbers of police and anti-racism campaigners also follow Yarxley-Lennon.

    If nothing else to get the advance notice of the next crime he is going to commit.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,227
    HYUFD said:

    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    Off-topic: Do any of our academics have a view on MDPI nowadays? Specifically 'Journal of Clinical Medicine'. Are they still seen as junk publishers? I've been sent a review request for a paper that is in my field and which is making, from the abstract, some extravagant claims - it seems a run of the mill analysis claiming rather more. I don't want to waste my time if the journal is going to just rubber stamp it anyway.

    (I don't generally review for journals I don't know nowadays, but this article is very much in my area, so considering it).

    I'd review it as normal, but accept that they might ignore your review...

    Laughably I received an invitation to review a paper on the 23rd December with a 7 day expected response. I did not review said paper... I know that journals like to get reviewers moving and not everyone celebrates Christmas but still...
    Nice. We got sent some article proofs on the 24th. Just people clearing their desks, I guess.

    I'll maybe have a look at the review if I have time. The authors look legit and the abstract reads ok, probably just a bit of a nothing paper that they can't get any of the proper journals to publish.
    It's also because Americans don't have holidays! Lots of Americans expect to work between Xmas and New Year.
    Americans only get 10 days of paid annual leave on average, the lowest in the OECD. Even the Japanese get 10 days of paid annual leave and 8 days of paid holiday.

    Brits get 20 days of paid annual leave, the French get the most paid annual leave at 30 days unsurprisingly with the Portuguese and Spanish getting the most paid holiday time and the most overall paid annual leave and paid holidays at 25 days

    https://www.etui.org/sites/default/files/EEEPB 03 2007 BBA.pdf
    The lack of paid sick leave means most Americans save their paid holidays to cover illness.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Zuckerberg says that Facebook will replace their censorship policies with X-style community notes and will work with Trump to combat foreign governments who want to impose censorship.

    https://x.com/esaagar/status/1876612227807236310

    ZuckMAGAberg.
    Community notes are objectively better than censorship. A really great way to stop misinformation without sending people down the conspiracy route.
    His comments bracketing Europe with Latin America and China as places with draconian laws won't go down well with the establishment here. You can see why Clegg was no longer a good fit for them.
    Indeed. I did say just a few days ago that Zuck would be very likely to go over to the dark side sooner rather than later. It's been coming for a while, you can tell from his public statements over the past year that he's also fed up of people having to censor everything they say because some blue haired weirdo will press the report button 1000 times.
    In a way he is right. {Ed - Suckerberg… Right???!}

    Both China and increasingly, EU (and other) countries are demanding censorship online. A chunk of what they want to censor is the same things. A further chunk is content not conforming to a set of social-political rules, to managed by the state.

    We should be clear on what we are asking for. Saying “It isn’t censorship to censor bad stuff” is simply self deluding.

    Personally, I would be looking at algorithmically recommended content…
    Where would you class Nazi-era antisemitic cartoons and posters ? That's an example of what's not being moderated on Twitter at the moment, and why it's turning in a very dangerous sewer.
    Genuine naivete here: if you use Twitter to exchange thoughts with the people you select as friends, why does it matter that some people are using it to exchange unpleasant opinions? How will you ever come across them, any more than you're likely to run into a neo-Nazi group having a meeting? I ever run into anything disturbing on Twitter - sometimes something I disagree with or find boring, but that's OK. Does normal use entail reading everything that's recently been posted on a given subject?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,143
    TimS said:

    Driver said:

    Tate launches the BRUV party. Starmer must be quaking in his boots.
    https://www.votebruv.co.uk/bruv_2.pdf
    I mean look at these policies... they'll be even more appealing than the Absolute Boy's was.
    "Knife Crime Epidemic: Zero Tolerance, Maximum
    Deterrence
    6
    Last year, there were 50,000 knife crime offences in Englan
    and Wales. That’s 137 every single day. Mothers burying sons.
    Fathers burying daughters. Lives stolen. Futures destroyed. And
    what’s the punishment? A slap on the wrist? A few years in jail?
    No. The punishment will be seen by every Briton, every day.
    Introducing BBC Punishment—a 24/7 live broadcast of knife
    crime offenders serving solitary confinement. No redempt
    arcs. No second chances. Just the cold, hard reality of a life
    wasted in a concrete cell.
    Imagine a 15-year-old boy, tempted to pick up a blade, turning
    on the TV and seeing a man grow old and die alone. That’s not
    cruelty—it’s deterrence. And it will save lives."

    Poe's Law...
    I wonder what Tate's policies are on punishment for sex offenders.
    https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=cut+their+goolies+off&cvid=49289b3e78aa456a9da5cf8f572df990&gs_lcrp=EgRlZGdlKgYIABBFGDkyBggAEEUYOTIICAEQ6QcY_FXSAQg3MzI4ajBqMagCALACAA&PC=U531&ru=/search?q=cut+their+goolies+off&cvid=49289b3e78aa456a9da5cf8f572df990&gs_lcrp=EgRlZGdlKgYIABBFGDkyBggAEEUYOTIICAEQ6QcY_FXSAQg3MzI4ajBqMagCALACAA&FORM=ANAB01&PC=U531&mmscn=vwrc&mid=A6232920B85534E956C7A6232920B85534E956C7&FORM=WRVORC
  • MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Zuckerberg says that Facebook will replace their censorship policies with X-style community notes and will work with Trump to combat foreign governments who want to impose censorship.

    https://x.com/esaagar/status/1876612227807236310

    ZuckMAGAberg.
    Community notes are objectively better than censorship. A really great way to stop misinformation without sending people down the conspiracy route.
    His comments bracketing Europe with Latin America and China as places with draconian laws won't go down well with the establishment here. You can see why Clegg was no longer a good fit for them.
    Indeed. I did say just a few days ago that Zuck would be very likely to go over to the dark side sooner rather than later. It's been coming for a while, you can tell from his public statements over the past year that he's also fed up of people having to censor everything they say because some blue haired weirdo will press the report button 1000 times.
    In a way he is right. {Ed - Suckerberg… Right???!}

    Both China and increasingly, EU (and other) countries are demanding censorship online. A chunk of what they want to censor is the same things. A further chunk is content not conforming to a set of social-political rules, to managed by the state.

    We should be clear on what we are asking for. Saying “It isn’t censorship to censor bad stuff” is simply self deluding.

    Personally, I would be looking at algorithmically recommended content…
    Where would you class Nazi-era antisemitic cartoons and posters ? That's an example of what's not being moderated on Twitter at the moment, and why it's turning in a very dangerous sewer.
    Genuine naivete here: if you use Twitter to exchange thoughts with the people you select as friends, why does it matter that some people are using it to exchange unpleasant opinions? How will you ever come across them, any more than you're likely to run into a neo-Nazi group having a meeting? I ever run into anything disturbing on Twitter - sometimes something I disagree with or find boring, but that's OK. Does normal use entail reading everything that's recently been posted on a given subject?
    It's the way he's changed the algorithms. These things will now appear on the list of an Indian poster complaining about water supplies in Rajasthan, and so what I see now spreading worldwide is not just a Trumpist posting-styie ( "cry harder, Modi-haters@@!!), but also various nazi-era memes.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,954

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Zuckerberg says that Facebook will replace their censorship policies with X-style community notes and will work with Trump to combat foreign governments who want to impose censorship.

    https://x.com/esaagar/status/1876612227807236310

    ZuckMAGAberg.
    Community notes are objectively better than censorship. A really great way to stop misinformation without sending people down the conspiracy route.
    His comments bracketing Europe with Latin America and China as places with draconian laws won't go down well with the establishment here. You can see why Clegg was no longer a good fit for them.
    Indeed. I did say just a few days ago that Zuck would be very likely to go over to the dark side sooner rather than later. It's been coming for a while, you can tell from his public statements over the past year that he's also fed up of people having to censor everything they say because some blue haired weirdo will press the report button 1000 times.
    In a way he is right. {Ed - Suckerberg… Right???!}

    Both China and increasingly, EU (and other) countries are demanding censorship online. A chunk of what they want to censor is the same things. A further chunk is content not conforming to a set of social-political rules, to managed by the state.

    We should be clear on what we are asking for. Saying “It isn’t censorship to censor bad stuff” is simply self deluding.

    Personally, I would be looking at algorithmically recommended content…
    Where would you class Nazi-era antisemitic cartoons and posters ? That's an example of what's not being moderated on Twitter at the moment, and why it's turning in a very dangerous sewer.
    And regardless of content (yes it is getting to be a cesspit) there's the matter of the sole owner's overbearing influence and presence. Musk is systematically turning X into a propaganda tool for himself and the far right causes and politicians he favours. The old Twitter may have been quite 'left friendly' but it was never anything like this. It's extremely disconcerting.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,860
    BBC story about a proposed new solar farm not too far from us (broadly in favour, although there is a nature reserve adjacent, so interested in any impact on that - although chances are the solar panels would be better for adjacent biodiversity than modern farmland anyway!).

    But the interesting bit is how they can report "The company wants to build a 30MW solar farm along with a BESS capable of storing up to 10KW of electricity". Anyone with understanding of the topic would know that 10kW is wrong (not storage, but power, and a tiny value - one Tesla Powerwall domestic battery - must either be MWh for storage or MW for power).
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,367
    edited January 7
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    Off-topic: Do any of our academics have a view on MDPI nowadays? Specifically 'Journal of Clinical Medicine'. Are they still seen as junk publishers? I've been sent a review request for a paper that is in my field and which is making, from the abstract, some extravagant claims - it seems a run of the mill analysis claiming rather more. I don't want to waste my time if the journal is going to just rubber stamp it anyway.

    (I don't generally review for journals I don't know nowadays, but this article is very much in my area, so considering it).

    I'd review it as normal, but accept that they might ignore your review...

    Laughably I received an invitation to review a paper on the 23rd December with a 7 day expected response. I did not review said paper... I know that journals like to get reviewers moving and not everyone celebrates Christmas but still...
    Nice. We got sent some article proofs on the 24th. Just people clearing their desks, I guess.

    I'll maybe have a look at the review if I have time. The authors look legit and the abstract reads ok, probably just a bit of a nothing paper that they can't get any of the proper journals to publish.
    It's also because Americans don't have holidays! Lots of Americans expect to work between Xmas and New Year.
    Americans only get 10 days of paid annual leave on average, the lowest in the OECD. Even the Japanese get 10 days of paid annual leave and 8 days of paid holiday.

    Brits get 20 days of paid annual leave, the French get the most paid annual leave at 30 days unsurprisingly with the Portuguese and Spanish getting the most paid holiday time and the most overall paid annual leave and paid holidays at 25 days

    https://www.etui.org/sites/default/files/EEEPB 03 2007 BBA.pdf
    The lack of paid sick leave means most Americans save their paid holidays to cover illness.
    Hoping they can also afford private health insurance if they need medical treatment as they have no universal healthcare either unlike other OECD nations

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,052
    I think the nineties and noughties were peak free-speech too.

    If I think about satirical TV comedies like Drop the Dead Donkey, Smack the Pony, Brass Eye and The Office - that had no limits - they'd simply be censored to death today, unless they were focused on the 'right' political targets.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,647
    biggles said:

    Taz said:

    The chief executive of the UK’s speech and language therapists’ professional body has apologised after “accidentally” following Tommy Robinson on X.

    Steve Jamieson, the chief of the Royal College of Speech and Language Therapists (RCSLT), said he was “deeply sorry for the hurt, upset, distress, fear and anger that this caused members, colleagues and staff”, after it was revealed he was following the jailed political activist, real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, in August 2024.

    The RCSLT’s board of trustees ordered a formal investigation, including appointing a barrister, which found Mr Jamieson’s personal account was following Robinson on X, and “on the balance of probabilities it was deemed that this was an accidental follow”, of which Mr Jamieson was unaware.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/royal-college-chief-deeply-sorry-for-accidentally-following-tommy-robinson-on-x/ar-AA1x6rBo?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=814d57ea634b4b2ebd1c5da0d4c068ba&ei=11

    Hang on. The man’s job was at risk not because of something he said or did in a platform, but because of who else he chose to follow (or accidentally followed in this case) on it?

    What a world. There’s a million reasons you might follow someone you think is a prick. You might have a whole feed of them.
    The problem is the meaning of “follow” - to many it signifies approval.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,389
    biggles said:

    Taz said:

    The chief executive of the UK’s speech and language therapists’ professional body has apologised after “accidentally” following Tommy Robinson on X.

    Steve Jamieson, the chief of the Royal College of Speech and Language Therapists (RCSLT), said he was “deeply sorry for the hurt, upset, distress, fear and anger that this caused members, colleagues and staff”, after it was revealed he was following the jailed political activist, real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, in August 2024.

    The RCSLT’s board of trustees ordered a formal investigation, including appointing a barrister, which found Mr Jamieson’s personal account was following Robinson on X, and “on the balance of probabilities it was deemed that this was an accidental follow”, of which Mr Jamieson was unaware.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/royal-college-chief-deeply-sorry-for-accidentally-following-tommy-robinson-on-x/ar-AA1x6rBo?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=814d57ea634b4b2ebd1c5da0d4c068ba&ei=11

    Hang on. The man’s job was at risk not because of something he said or did in a platform, but because of who else he chose to follow (or accidentally followed in this case) on it?

    What a world. There’s a million reasons you might follow someone you think is a prick. You might have a whole feed of them.
    Yes, exactly. His whole career, and reputation in his line of work, was at risk for following someone on social media. Someone he follows by accident too.

    The appointed a Barrister to lead an investigation into this to get to the facts.

    It beggars belief.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,333

    I think the nineties and noughties were peak free-speech too.

    If I think about satirical TV comedies like Drop the Dead Donkey, Smack the Pony, Brass Eye and The Office - that had no limits - they'd simply be censored to death today, unless they were focused on the 'right' political targets.

    Heh. Yes the Brass Eye paedophile special would draw a tad more flak than it did back then….
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,389
    Selebian said:

    BBC story about a proposed new solar farm not too far from us (broadly in favour, although there is a nature reserve adjacent, so interested in any impact on that - although chances are the solar panels would be better for adjacent biodiversity than modern farmland anyway!).

    But the interesting bit is how they can report "The company wants to build a 30MW solar farm along with a BESS capable of storing up to 10KW of electricity". Anyone with understanding of the topic would know that 10kW is wrong (not storage, but power, and a tiny value - one Tesla Powerwall domestic battery - must either be MWh for storage or MW for power).

    One not too far from me in Sunderland has just been rejected.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/07/labour-council-rejects-green-belt-solar-farm-in-blow-for-mi/?msockid=3a8b9972eb9b680820c58b3bef9b6a87
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,497
    edited January 7
    Won't help Reeves, but this is probably why 10 yr gilts are up above the 98? previous high.

    zerohedge
    @zerohedge
    *TRADERS NO LONGER FULLY PRICE IN FED RATE CUT BEFORE JULY

    My 3.79 fix lined up for next March looking better by the minute :D
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,333

    biggles said:

    Taz said:

    The chief executive of the UK’s speech and language therapists’ professional body has apologised after “accidentally” following Tommy Robinson on X.

    Steve Jamieson, the chief of the Royal College of Speech and Language Therapists (RCSLT), said he was “deeply sorry for the hurt, upset, distress, fear and anger that this caused members, colleagues and staff”, after it was revealed he was following the jailed political activist, real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, in August 2024.

    The RCSLT’s board of trustees ordered a formal investigation, including appointing a barrister, which found Mr Jamieson’s personal account was following Robinson on X, and “on the balance of probabilities it was deemed that this was an accidental follow”, of which Mr Jamieson was unaware.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/royal-college-chief-deeply-sorry-for-accidentally-following-tommy-robinson-on-x/ar-AA1x6rBo?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=814d57ea634b4b2ebd1c5da0d4c068ba&ei=11

    Hang on. The man’s job was at risk not because of something he said or did in a platform, but because of who else he chose to follow (or accidentally followed in this case) on it?

    What a world. There’s a million reasons you might follow someone you think is a prick. You might have a whole feed of them.
    The problem is the meaning of “follow” - to many it signifies approval.
    I mean, Christ, when I was on Twitter I think I followed the French government!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,647
    Selebian said:

    BBC story about a proposed new solar farm not too far from us (broadly in favour, although there is a nature reserve adjacent, so interested in any impact on that - although chances are the solar panels would be better for adjacent biodiversity than modern farmland anyway!).

    But the interesting bit is how they can report "The company wants to build a 30MW solar farm along with a BESS capable of storing up to 10KW of electricity". Anyone with understanding of the topic would know that 10kW is wrong (not storage, but power, and a tiny value - one Tesla Powerwall domestic battery - must either be MWh for storage or MW for power).

    The actual application talks about “10MW” of BESS.

    No mention of 10KW.

    Should really state the MWh - which speaks to the size of the BESS.

    10MWh would be three shipping containers, for example.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,389
    Pulpstar said:

    Won't help Reeves, but this is probably why 10 yr gilts are up above the 98? previous high.

    zerohedge
    @zerohedge
    *TRADERS NO LONGER FULLY PRICE IN FED RATE CUT BEFORE JULY

    My 3.79 fix lined up for next March looking better by the minute :D

    Higher for longer. Fine for savers. Reeves is stuffed anyway, according to this. Or, to be precise, we are.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/brace-for-more-tax-rises-warns-investment-bank/ar-AA1x6rIE?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=0a7484b7b3a5435686fd88b7ff147028&ei=26
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,647
    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    Taz said:

    The chief executive of the UK’s speech and language therapists’ professional body has apologised after “accidentally” following Tommy Robinson on X.

    Steve Jamieson, the chief of the Royal College of Speech and Language Therapists (RCSLT), said he was “deeply sorry for the hurt, upset, distress, fear and anger that this caused members, colleagues and staff”, after it was revealed he was following the jailed political activist, real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, in August 2024.

    The RCSLT’s board of trustees ordered a formal investigation, including appointing a barrister, which found Mr Jamieson’s personal account was following Robinson on X, and “on the balance of probabilities it was deemed that this was an accidental follow”, of which Mr Jamieson was unaware.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/royal-college-chief-deeply-sorry-for-accidentally-following-tommy-robinson-on-x/ar-AA1x6rBo?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=814d57ea634b4b2ebd1c5da0d4c068ba&ei=11

    Hang on. The man’s job was at risk not because of something he said or did in a platform, but because of who else he chose to follow (or accidentally followed in this case) on it?

    What a world. There’s a million reasons you might follow someone you think is a prick. You might have a whole feed of them.
    The problem is the meaning of “follow” - to many it signifies approval.
    I mean, Christ, when I was on Twitter I think I followed the French government!
    That’s the kind of thing that gets you banned on PB.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,615
    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    Taz said:

    The chief executive of the UK’s speech and language therapists’ professional body has apologised after “accidentally” following Tommy Robinson on X.

    Steve Jamieson, the chief of the Royal College of Speech and Language Therapists (RCSLT), said he was “deeply sorry for the hurt, upset, distress, fear and anger that this caused members, colleagues and staff”, after it was revealed he was following the jailed political activist, real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, in August 2024.

    The RCSLT’s board of trustees ordered a formal investigation, including appointing a barrister, which found Mr Jamieson’s personal account was following Robinson on X, and “on the balance of probabilities it was deemed that this was an accidental follow”, of which Mr Jamieson was unaware.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/royal-college-chief-deeply-sorry-for-accidentally-following-tommy-robinson-on-x/ar-AA1x6rBo?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=814d57ea634b4b2ebd1c5da0d4c068ba&ei=11

    Hang on. The man’s job was at risk not because of something he said or did in a platform, but because of who else he chose to follow (or accidentally followed in this case) on it?

    What a world. There’s a million reasons you might follow someone you think is a prick. You might have a whole feed of them.
    The problem is the meaning of “follow” - to many it signifies approval.
    I mean, Christ, when I was on Twitter I think I followed the French government!
    Sedition is even worse.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,497

    Selebian said:

    BBC story about a proposed new solar farm not too far from us (broadly in favour, although there is a nature reserve adjacent, so interested in any impact on that - although chances are the solar panels would be better for adjacent biodiversity than modern farmland anyway!).

    But the interesting bit is how they can report "The company wants to build a 30MW solar farm along with a BESS capable of storing up to 10KW of electricity". Anyone with understanding of the topic would know that 10kW is wrong (not storage, but power, and a tiny value - one Tesla Powerwall domestic battery - must either be MWh for storage or MW for power).

    The actual application talks about “10MW” of BESS.

    No mention of 10KW.

    Should really state the MWh - which speaks to the size of the BESS.

    10MWh would be three shipping containers, for example.
    Our client, Quintas Cleantech is seeking to develop a solar farm and a battery energy storage system (BESS)
    across approximately 55ha of land with the solar generating a maximum capacity of 30MW and the battery
    storage capacity of 10MW


    So the BBC report is out by a factor of a thousand, but still I haven't come across capacity being measured in watts before.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,319
    My only interest in Facebook is to do obtain supplementary information about small organisations that isn't on the website: seasonal opening hours for a museum; the Mother's Day menu at a restaurant.

    Not sure where to go for this stuff now. I have zero interest in engaging in culture wars and no-one I know uses the platform for actual communication.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,571
    Pulpstar said:

    Won't help Reeves, but this is probably why 10 yr gilts are up above the 98? previous high.

    zerohedge
    @zerohedge
    *TRADERS NO LONGER FULLY PRICE IN FED RATE CUT BEFORE JULY

    My 3.79 fix lined up for next March looking better by the minute :D

    As of today:

    1 GBP = 1.2508 USD
    1 GBP = 1.2034 EUR

    What will these values be in Dec 2025?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,647

    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    Taz said:

    The chief executive of the UK’s speech and language therapists’ professional body has apologised after “accidentally” following Tommy Robinson on X.

    Steve Jamieson, the chief of the Royal College of Speech and Language Therapists (RCSLT), said he was “deeply sorry for the hurt, upset, distress, fear and anger that this caused members, colleagues and staff”, after it was revealed he was following the jailed political activist, real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, in August 2024.

    The RCSLT’s board of trustees ordered a formal investigation, including appointing a barrister, which found Mr Jamieson’s personal account was following Robinson on X, and “on the balance of probabilities it was deemed that this was an accidental follow”, of which Mr Jamieson was unaware.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/royal-college-chief-deeply-sorry-for-accidentally-following-tommy-robinson-on-x/ar-AA1x6rBo?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=814d57ea634b4b2ebd1c5da0d4c068ba&ei=11

    Hang on. The man’s job was at risk not because of something he said or did in a platform, but because of who else he chose to follow (or accidentally followed in this case) on it?

    What a world. There’s a million reasons you might follow someone you think is a prick. You might have a whole feed of them.
    The problem is the meaning of “follow” - to many it signifies approval.
    I mean, Christ, when I was on Twitter I think I followed the French government!
    Sedition is even worse.
    No.

    Sedition or honest treason is one thing.

    Approving of the French….
  • CharlieSharkCharlieShark Posts: 226
    Going well latest:

    YouGov@YouGov
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    1h
    Labour starts 2025 with its lowest government approval rating to date

    Approve: 16% (-1 from 28-30 Dec 2024)
    Disapprove: 63% (+1)
    Net: -47 (-2)
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,571
    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    Taz said:

    The chief executive of the UK’s speech and language therapists’ professional body has apologised after “accidentally” following Tommy Robinson on X.

    Steve Jamieson, the chief of the Royal College of Speech and Language Therapists (RCSLT), said he was “deeply sorry for the hurt, upset, distress, fear and anger that this caused members, colleagues and staff”, after it was revealed he was following the jailed political activist, real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, in August 2024.

    The RCSLT’s board of trustees ordered a formal investigation, including appointing a barrister, which found Mr Jamieson’s personal account was following Robinson on X, and “on the balance of probabilities it was deemed that this was an accidental follow”, of which Mr Jamieson was unaware.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/royal-college-chief-deeply-sorry-for-accidentally-following-tommy-robinson-on-x/ar-AA1x6rBo?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=814d57ea634b4b2ebd1c5da0d4c068ba&ei=11

    Hang on. The man’s job was at risk not because of something he said or did in a platform, but because of who else he chose to follow (or accidentally followed in this case) on it?

    What a world. There’s a million reasons you might follow someone you think is a prick. You might have a whole feed of them.
    The problem is the meaning of “follow” - to many it signifies approval.
    I mean, Christ, when I was on Twitter I think I followed the French government!
    Well, that's just treason... (sharpens blade) :)
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,860

    Selebian said:

    BBC story about a proposed new solar farm not too far from us (broadly in favour, although there is a nature reserve adjacent, so interested in any impact on that - although chances are the solar panels would be better for adjacent biodiversity than modern farmland anyway!).

    But the interesting bit is how they can report "The company wants to build a 30MW solar farm along with a BESS capable of storing up to 10KW of electricity". Anyone with understanding of the topic would know that 10kW is wrong (not storage, but power, and a tiny value - one Tesla Powerwall domestic battery - must either be MWh for storage or MW for power).

    The actual application talks about “10MW” of BESS.

    No mention of 10KW.

    Should really state the MWh - which speaks to the size of the BESS.

    10MWh would be three shipping containers, for example.
    10MW for power delivery seems reasonable. Probably want more capacity than 10MWh though? I guess cost is the limit there - plenty of space to bang a few shipping containers in.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,083
    Pulpstar said:

    Selebian said:

    BBC story about a proposed new solar farm not too far from us (broadly in favour, although there is a nature reserve adjacent, so interested in any impact on that - although chances are the solar panels would be better for adjacent biodiversity than modern farmland anyway!).

    But the interesting bit is how they can report "The company wants to build a 30MW solar farm along with a BESS capable of storing up to 10KW of electricity". Anyone with understanding of the topic would know that 10kW is wrong (not storage, but power, and a tiny value - one Tesla Powerwall domestic battery - must either be MWh for storage or MW for power).

    The actual application talks about “10MW” of BESS.

    No mention of 10KW.

    Should really state the MWh - which speaks to the size of the BESS.

    10MWh would be three shipping containers, for example.
    Our client, Quintas Cleantech is seeking to develop a solar farm and a battery energy storage system (BESS)
    across approximately 55ha of land with the solar generating a maximum capacity of 30MW and the battery
    storage capacity of 10MW


    So the BBC report is out by a factor of a thousand, but still I haven't come across capacity being measured in watts before.
    I prefer the unit watt-hours per hour.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,954
    biggles said:

    Taz said:

    The chief executive of the UK’s speech and language therapists’ professional body has apologised after “accidentally” following Tommy Robinson on X.

    Steve Jamieson, the chief of the Royal College of Speech and Language Therapists (RCSLT), said he was “deeply sorry for the hurt, upset, distress, fear and anger that this caused members, colleagues and staff”, after it was revealed he was following the jailed political activist, real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, in August 2024.

    The RCSLT’s board of trustees ordered a formal investigation, including appointing a barrister, which found Mr Jamieson’s personal account was following Robinson on X, and “on the balance of probabilities it was deemed that this was an accidental follow”, of which Mr Jamieson was unaware.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/royal-college-chief-deeply-sorry-for-accidentally-following-tommy-robinson-on-x/ar-AA1x6rBo?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=814d57ea634b4b2ebd1c5da0d4c068ba&ei=11

    Hang on. The man’s job was at risk not because of something he said or did in a platform, but because of who else he chose to follow (or accidentally followed in this case) on it?

    What a world. There’s a million reasons you might follow someone you think is a prick. You might have a whole feed of them.
    Could be keeping tabs on the enemy.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,860
    Taz said:

    Selebian said:

    BBC story about a proposed new solar farm not too far from us (broadly in favour, although there is a nature reserve adjacent, so interested in any impact on that - although chances are the solar panels would be better for adjacent biodiversity than modern farmland anyway!).

    But the interesting bit is how they can report "The company wants to build a 30MW solar farm along with a BESS capable of storing up to 10KW of electricity". Anyone with understanding of the topic would know that 10kW is wrong (not storage, but power, and a tiny value - one Tesla Powerwall domestic battery - must either be MWh for storage or MW for power).

    One not too far from me in Sunderland has just been rejected.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/07/labour-council-rejects-green-belt-solar-farm-in-blow-for-mi/?msockid=3a8b9972eb9b680820c58b3bef9b6a87
    This one out of council's hands, I think, if I read the article correctly (and the article is correct).
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,333

    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    Taz said:

    The chief executive of the UK’s speech and language therapists’ professional body has apologised after “accidentally” following Tommy Robinson on X.

    Steve Jamieson, the chief of the Royal College of Speech and Language Therapists (RCSLT), said he was “deeply sorry for the hurt, upset, distress, fear and anger that this caused members, colleagues and staff”, after it was revealed he was following the jailed political activist, real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, in August 2024.

    The RCSLT’s board of trustees ordered a formal investigation, including appointing a barrister, which found Mr Jamieson’s personal account was following Robinson on X, and “on the balance of probabilities it was deemed that this was an accidental follow”, of which Mr Jamieson was unaware.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/royal-college-chief-deeply-sorry-for-accidentally-following-tommy-robinson-on-x/ar-AA1x6rBo?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=814d57ea634b4b2ebd1c5da0d4c068ba&ei=11

    Hang on. The man’s job was at risk not because of something he said or did in a platform, but because of who else he chose to follow (or accidentally followed in this case) on it?

    What a world. There’s a million reasons you might follow someone you think is a prick. You might have a whole feed of them.
    The problem is the meaning of “follow” - to many it signifies approval.
    I mean, Christ, when I was on Twitter I think I followed the French government!
    Sedition is even worse.
    No.

    Sedition or honest treason is one thing.

    Approving of the French….
    Pass the sword…
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,647
    Pulpstar said:

    Selebian said:

    BBC story about a proposed new solar farm not too far from us (broadly in favour, although there is a nature reserve adjacent, so interested in any impact on that - although chances are the solar panels would be better for adjacent biodiversity than modern farmland anyway!).

    But the interesting bit is how they can report "The company wants to build a 30MW solar farm along with a BESS capable of storing up to 10KW of electricity". Anyone with understanding of the topic would know that 10kW is wrong (not storage, but power, and a tiny value - one Tesla Powerwall domestic battery - must either be MWh for storage or MW for power).

    The actual application talks about “10MW” of BESS.

    No mention of 10KW.

    Should really state the MWh - which speaks to the size of the BESS.

    10MWh would be three shipping containers, for example.
    Our client, Quintas Cleantech is seeking to develop a solar farm and a battery energy storage system (BESS)
    across approximately 55ha of land with the solar generating a maximum capacity of 30MW and the battery
    storage capacity of 10MW


    So the BBC report is out by a factor of a thousand, but still I haven't come across capacity being measured in watts before.
    It’s either a misprint for MWh (makes sense) or they are giving peak output of the battery. Why?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,052
    biggles said:

    I think the nineties and noughties were peak free-speech too.

    If I think about satirical TV comedies like Drop the Dead Donkey, Smack the Pony, Brass Eye and The Office - that had no limits - they'd simply be censored to death today, unless they were focused on the 'right' political targets.

    Heh. Yes the Brass Eye paedophile special would draw a tad more flak than it did back then….
    There are far too many special interest groups now, and policies to fall foul of.

    As a result, everything is much more predictable, and less funny.

    You can still get edgy comedy, but no longer on the BBC or Channel 4.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,389
    edited January 7
    biggles said:

    I think the nineties and noughties were peak free-speech too.

    If I think about satirical TV comedies like Drop the Dead Donkey, Smack the Pony, Brass Eye and The Office - that had no limits - they'd simply be censored to death today, unless they were focused on the 'right' political targets.

    Heh. Yes the Brass Eye paedophile special would draw a tad more flak than it did back then….
    As would Sutcliffe the Musical.

    Actually plenty of it would be off limits, same with The Day Today.

  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,369

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Zuckerberg says that Facebook will replace their censorship policies with X-style community notes and will work with Trump to combat foreign governments who want to impose censorship.

    https://x.com/esaagar/status/1876612227807236310

    ZuckMAGAberg.
    Community notes are objectively better than censorship. A really great way to stop misinformation without sending people down the conspiracy route.
    His comments bracketing Europe with Latin America and China as places with draconian laws won't go down well with the establishment here. You can see why Clegg was no longer a good fit for them.
    Indeed. I did say just a few days ago that Zuck would be very likely to go over to the dark side sooner rather than later. It's been coming for a while, you can tell from his public statements over the past year that he's also fed up of people having to censor everything they say because some blue haired weirdo will press the report button 1000 times.
    In a way he is right. {Ed - Suckerberg… Right???!}

    Both China and increasingly, EU (and other) countries are demanding censorship online. A chunk of what they want to censor is the same things. A further chunk is content not conforming to a set of social-political rules, to managed by the state.

    We should be clear on what we are asking for. Saying “It isn’t censorship to censor bad stuff” is simply self deluding.

    Personally, I would be looking at algorithmically recommended content…
    Where would you class Nazi-era antisemitic cartoons and posters ? That's an example of what's not being moderated on Twitter at the moment, and why it's turning in a very dangerous sewer.
    Genuine naivete here: if you use Twitter to exchange thoughts with the people you select as friends, why does it matter that some people are using it to exchange unpleasant opinions? How will you ever come across them, any more than you're likely to run into a neo-Nazi group having a meeting? I ever run into anything disturbing on Twitter - sometimes something I disagree with or find boring, but that's OK. Does normal use entail reading everything that's recently been posted on a given subject?
    It's the way he's changed the algorithms. These things will now appear on the list of an Indian poster complaining about water supplies in Rajasthan, and so what I see now spreading worldwide is not just a Trumpist posting-styie ( "cry harder, Modi-haters@@!!), but also various nazi-era memes.
    There are I think three areas of potential harm caused by social media, which might or might not require tougher regulation than erstwhile. But each of these is qualitatively different and requires a different approach.

    1. The spread of political or scientific misinformation, lies, and hostile state propaganda. I think things like community notes are a useful solution here, together with meaningful education from school onwards about how not to believe all you see in the media. The twin danger with censorship is that it a. puts too much power in the platform / government, b. creases its own suspicion and conspiracy theorising. The old Twitter thing which seems to have since disappeared, of marking an account as being say "Chinese government official" or "Russian funded academic" was very useful too.

    2. The projection of harmful content - there is the "easy" i.e. obviously illegal stuff, like child pornography or incitement to terrorism, easy to judge, that is, but not necessarily easy to find; then there is the harder more marginal stuff, particularly postings encouraging suicide, reckless activities, or eating disorders. Very very tricky, but probably best dealt with by age limits rather than blanket bans.

    3. The insidious effect on behaviour and brain function from endless streams of mindless nonsense coming out of the likes of TikTok, that's in danger of turning us into Zombies. There's a danger of moral panic here as there was with TV back in the day, but I do think this is a problem. It's an addiction just like gambling or substance abuse. Doing something about algorithmic targeting, and particularly about auto-play (viewers should have to find and select content, not have it start playing automatically) would surely be a reasonable approach that, again, does not involve censorship.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,647
    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    BBC story about a proposed new solar farm not too far from us (broadly in favour, although there is a nature reserve adjacent, so interested in any impact on that - although chances are the solar panels would be better for adjacent biodiversity than modern farmland anyway!).

    But the interesting bit is how they can report "The company wants to build a 30MW solar farm along with a BESS capable of storing up to 10KW of electricity". Anyone with understanding of the topic would know that 10kW is wrong (not storage, but power, and a tiny value - one Tesla Powerwall domestic battery - must either be MWh for storage or MW for power).

    The actual application talks about “10MW” of BESS.

    No mention of 10KW.

    Should really state the MWh - which speaks to the size of the BESS.

    10MWh would be three shipping containers, for example.
    10MW for power delivery seems reasonable. Probably want more capacity than 10MWh though? I guess cost is the limit there - plenty of space to bang a few shipping containers in.
    Tesla are selling those containers for $1m or thereabouts.

    So enough to do the whole night would be pricey. As yet.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,389
    FF43 said:

    My only interest in Facebook is to do obtain supplementary information about small organisations that isn't on the website: seasonal opening hours for a museum; the Mother's Day menu at a restaurant.

    Not sure where to go for this stuff now. I have zero interest in engaging in culture wars and no-one I know uses the platform for actual communication.

    Facebook we use for local events and businesses. The local farm shop, local restaurants, and the like

    It has proven its value for that. We saw on it a new restaurant opened in Durham so we booked it and had a lovely night.

    The contentious stuff we both avoid.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,618
    TimS said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Zuckerberg says that Facebook will replace their censorship policies with X-style community notes and will work with Trump to combat foreign governments who want to impose censorship.

    https://x.com/esaagar/status/1876612227807236310

    ZuckMAGAberg.
    Community notes are objectively better than censorship. A really great way to stop misinformation without sending people down the conspiracy route.
    Community notes is the one extremely good innovation on the platform since Musk took over. I don't know who's idea it was, but well done them.

    Not sure if the beneficial effects will last for long.
    They're already starting to be weaponised.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,369

    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    BBC story about a proposed new solar farm not too far from us (broadly in favour, although there is a nature reserve adjacent, so interested in any impact on that - although chances are the solar panels would be better for adjacent biodiversity than modern farmland anyway!).

    But the interesting bit is how they can report "The company wants to build a 30MW solar farm along with a BESS capable of storing up to 10KW of electricity". Anyone with understanding of the topic would know that 10kW is wrong (not storage, but power, and a tiny value - one Tesla Powerwall domestic battery - must either be MWh for storage or MW for power).

    The actual application talks about “10MW” of BESS.

    No mention of 10KW.

    Should really state the MWh - which speaks to the size of the BESS.

    10MWh would be three shipping containers, for example.
    10MW for power delivery seems reasonable. Probably want more capacity than 10MWh though? I guess cost is the limit there - plenty of space to bang a few shipping containers in.
    Tesla are selling those containers for $1m or thereabouts.

    So enough to do the whole night would be pricey. As yet.
    I'm getting quotes for PV installation in France. Interesting conversation with the installer who visited. I asked about batteries and he said that for now the economics don't add up for a house like mine (i.e. a secondary residence) and it's better to sell surplus power to the grid. In France the FIT is €0.126 per KWh, for 20 years. He explained that batteries remain relatively expensive for domestic buyers and only marginally economical but that he expects that to change within the next 2-3 years as their cost comes down dramatically, as has already happened with solar panels.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,009
    edited January 7
    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    The chief executive of the UK’s speech and language therapists’ professional body has apologised after “accidentally” following Tommy Robinson on X.

    Steve Jamieson, the chief of the Royal College of Speech and Language Therapists (RCSLT), said he was “deeply sorry for the hurt, upset, distress, fear and anger that this caused members, colleagues and staff”, after it was revealed he was following the jailed political activist, real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, in August 2024.

    The RCSLT’s board of trustees ordered a formal investigation, including appointing a barrister, which found Mr Jamieson’s personal account was following Robinson on X, and “on the balance of probabilities it was deemed that this was an accidental follow”, of which Mr Jamieson was unaware.


    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/royal-college-chief-deeply-sorry-for-accidentally-following-tommy-robinson-on-x/ar-AA1x6rBo?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=814d57ea634b4b2ebd1c5da0d4c068ba&ei=11

    Hmmmm. I follow all the local anti-cycling campaigners so I have my rebuttals and data ready for an effective deputation. Know thine enemy.
    I've followed a couple of right wing conspiracy nuts before in the past just to see what the latest bonkers stuff going out was.

    Also on Facebook I have accidentally followed several things. I have no idea how, but fortunately they were all harmless.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,647
    TimS said:

    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    BBC story about a proposed new solar farm not too far from us (broadly in favour, although there is a nature reserve adjacent, so interested in any impact on that - although chances are the solar panels would be better for adjacent biodiversity than modern farmland anyway!).

    But the interesting bit is how they can report "The company wants to build a 30MW solar farm along with a BESS capable of storing up to 10KW of electricity". Anyone with understanding of the topic would know that 10kW is wrong (not storage, but power, and a tiny value - one Tesla Powerwall domestic battery - must either be MWh for storage or MW for power).

    The actual application talks about “10MW” of BESS.

    No mention of 10KW.

    Should really state the MWh - which speaks to the size of the BESS.

    10MWh would be three shipping containers, for example.
    10MW for power delivery seems reasonable. Probably want more capacity than 10MWh though? I guess cost is the limit there - plenty of space to bang a few shipping containers in.
    Tesla are selling those containers for $1m or thereabouts.

    So enough to do the whole night would be pricey. As yet.
    I'm getting quotes for PV installation in France. Interesting conversation with the installer who visited. I asked about batteries and he said that for now the economics don't add up for a house like mine (i.e. a secondary residence) and it's better to sell surplus power to the grid. In France the FIT is €0.126 per KWh, for 20 years. He explained that batteries remain relatively expensive for domestic buyers and only marginally economical but that he expects that to change within the next 2-3 years as their cost comes down dramatically, as has already happened with solar panels.
    Yup


  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,497
    edited January 7

    Pulpstar said:

    Selebian said:

    BBC story about a proposed new solar farm not too far from us (broadly in favour, although there is a nature reserve adjacent, so interested in any impact on that - although chances are the solar panels would be better for adjacent biodiversity than modern farmland anyway!).

    But the interesting bit is how they can report "The company wants to build a 30MW solar farm along with a BESS capable of storing up to 10KW of electricity". Anyone with understanding of the topic would know that 10kW is wrong (not storage, but power, and a tiny value - one Tesla Powerwall domestic battery - must either be MWh for storage or MW for power).

    The actual application talks about “10MW” of BESS.

    No mention of 10KW.

    Should really state the MWh - which speaks to the size of the BESS.

    10MWh would be three shipping containers, for example.
    Our client, Quintas Cleantech is seeking to develop a solar farm and a battery energy storage system (BESS)
    across approximately 55ha of land with the solar generating a maximum capacity of 30MW and the battery
    storage capacity of 10MW


    So the BBC report is out by a factor of a thousand, but still I haven't come across capacity being measured in watts before.
    It’s either a misprint for MWh (makes sense) or they are giving peak output of the battery. Why?
    Not sure - my quote is from the horses mouth. https://publicaccess1.selby.gov.uk/PublicAccess_Live/Document/ViewDocument?id=688A2D255440432185361B4FE2FE7345
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 54
    Pulpstar said:

    Selebian said:

    BBC story about a proposed new solar farm not too far from us (broadly in favour, although there is a nature reserve adjacent, so interested in any impact on that - although chances are the solar panels would be better for adjacent biodiversity than modern farmland anyway!).

    But the interesting bit is how they can report "The company wants to build a 30MW solar farm along with a BESS capable of storing up to 10KW of electricity". Anyone with understanding of the topic would know that 10kW is wrong (not storage, but power, and a tiny value - one Tesla Powerwall domestic battery - must either be MWh for storage or MW for power).

    The actual application talks about “10MW” of BESS.

    No mention of 10KW.

    Should really state the MWh - which speaks to the size of the BESS.

    10MWh would be three shipping containers, for example.
    Our client, Quintas Cleantech is seeking to develop a solar farm and a battery energy storage system (BESS)
    across approximately 55ha of land with the solar generating a maximum capacity of 30MW and the battery
    storage capacity of 10MW


    So the BBC report is out by a factor of a thousand, but still I haven't come across capacity being measured in watts before.
    Locally a farm was up for sale at about £1.5m with outline planning permission for housing. A second bidder came along with £2+mn for the same land. The second bidder was a BESS supplier who could install a few containers with generators as the site was close to a node. Standby power seems to be very profitable.

    The ex-farmer is now sunning themselves in Spain.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,250

    I think the nineties and noughties were peak free-speech too.

    If I think about satirical TV comedies like Drop the Dead Donkey, Smack the Pony, Brass Eye and The Office - that had no limits - they'd simply be censored to death today, unless they were focused on the 'right' political targets.

    "Britain, Little Britain."
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,755
    Pulpstar said:

    Selebian said:

    BBC story about a proposed new solar farm not too far from us (broadly in favour, although there is a nature reserve adjacent, so interested in any impact on that - although chances are the solar panels would be better for adjacent biodiversity than modern farmland anyway!).

    But the interesting bit is how they can report "The company wants to build a 30MW solar farm along with a BESS capable of storing up to 10KW of electricity". Anyone with understanding of the topic would know that 10kW is wrong (not storage, but power, and a tiny value - one Tesla Powerwall domestic battery - must either be MWh for storage or MW for power).

    The actual application talks about “10MW” of BESS.

    No mention of 10KW.

    Should really state the MWh - which speaks to the size of the BESS.

    10MWh would be three shipping containers, for example.
    Our client, Quintas Cleantech is seeking to develop a solar farm and a battery energy storage system (BESS)
    across approximately 55ha of land with the solar generating a maximum capacity of 30MW and the battery
    storage capacity of 10MW


    So the BBC report is out by a factor of a thousand, but still I haven't come across capacity being measured in watts before.
    There are plans for a 400MW battery storage site a stone's throw away from where I was born in South Derbyshire.

    I'm not against it, but I'm slightly surprised they won't use the Willington Power Station site, which is now a brownfield site. (There have been various plans for a CCGT at Willington, but they've never occurred.)
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,647
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Selebian said:

    BBC story about a proposed new solar farm not too far from us (broadly in favour, although there is a nature reserve adjacent, so interested in any impact on that - although chances are the solar panels would be better for adjacent biodiversity than modern farmland anyway!).

    But the interesting bit is how they can report "The company wants to build a 30MW solar farm along with a BESS capable of storing up to 10KW of electricity". Anyone with understanding of the topic would know that 10kW is wrong (not storage, but power, and a tiny value - one Tesla Powerwall domestic battery - must either be MWh for storage or MW for power).

    The actual application talks about “10MW” of BESS.

    No mention of 10KW.

    Should really state the MWh - which speaks to the size of the BESS.

    10MWh would be three shipping containers, for example.
    Our client, Quintas Cleantech is seeking to develop a solar farm and a battery energy storage system (BESS)
    across approximately 55ha of land with the solar generating a maximum capacity of 30MW and the battery
    storage capacity of 10MW


    So the BBC report is out by a factor of a thousand, but still I haven't come across capacity being measured in watts before.
    It’s either a misprint for MWh (makes sense) or they are giving peak output of the battery. Why?
    Not sure - my quote is from the horses mouth. https://publicaccess1.selby.gov.uk/PublicAccess_Live/Document/ViewDocument?id=688A2D255440432185361B4FE2FE7345
    Yes - I got “10MW” from that document.

    Bet someone non-technical “corrected” it.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,333
    Taz said:

    FF43 said:

    My only interest in Facebook is to do obtain supplementary information about small organisations that isn't on the website: seasonal opening hours for a museum; the Mother's Day menu at a restaurant.

    Not sure where to go for this stuff now. I have zero interest in engaging in culture wars and no-one I know uses the platform for actual communication.

    Facebook we use for local events and businesses. The local farm shop, local restaurants, and the like

    It has proven its value for that. We saw on it a new restaurant opened in Durham so we booked it and had a lovely night.

    The contentious stuff we both avoid.
    It’s still good for esoteric, tiny, well moderated or self moderated, groups discussing something too small for its own website. Hobbyists and the like.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,497
    edited January 7

    Pulpstar said:

    Selebian said:

    BBC story about a proposed new solar farm not too far from us (broadly in favour, although there is a nature reserve adjacent, so interested in any impact on that - although chances are the solar panels would be better for adjacent biodiversity than modern farmland anyway!).

    But the interesting bit is how they can report "The company wants to build a 30MW solar farm along with a BESS capable of storing up to 10KW of electricity". Anyone with understanding of the topic would know that 10kW is wrong (not storage, but power, and a tiny value - one Tesla Powerwall domestic battery - must either be MWh for storage or MW for power).

    The actual application talks about “10MW” of BESS.

    No mention of 10KW.

    Should really state the MWh - which speaks to the size of the BESS.

    10MWh would be three shipping containers, for example.
    Our client, Quintas Cleantech is seeking to develop a solar farm and a battery energy storage system (BESS)
    across approximately 55ha of land with the solar generating a maximum capacity of 30MW and the battery
    storage capacity of 10MW


    So the BBC report is out by a factor of a thousand, but still I haven't come across capacity being measured in watts before.
    There are plans for a 400MW battery storage site a stone's throw away from where I was born in South Derbyshire.

    I'm not against it, but I'm slightly surprised they won't use the Willington Power Station site, which is now a brownfield site. (There have been various plans for a CCGT at Willington, but they've never occurred.)
    Sorry, again - Do you mean 400 MW peak capacity potential throughput or 400 MWh capacity ?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,796
    This is a nice piece on "spreadflation", as the author calls it, the increasing number of things to subscribe to in the media, both news and entertainment: https://futureproofnews.substack.com/p/its-time-to-end-our-subscription It"s not paywalled.

    It touches on several issues around his online media are paid for, which relates to many discussions here around social media, how the BBC is paid for, etc.
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