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I don't think we watched the same FMQs.Edin_Rokz said:
Who was it who said " a week is a long time in politics"? Anyway that's nothing compared to a Year. But KP has another job now and would he be willing to go back to nursemaiding Eck? Would you want to?Carnyx said:
Only a year's overlap, but at least it is the right way round - not like the problems Mr Murphy could face.Edin_Rokz said:
Interesting thought: Will Salmond retain his Holyrood seat, or resign it on becoming an MP? That would mean he would he is still in with chance of being "recalled to the colours" if the SNP membership got fed up with Nicola. Of course, it would never cross his mind to do so.......... Just like the last timeScott_P said:Was it only this morning the Nats were ranting about how Salmond had resigned from front line politics...?
@ZoraSuleman: Alex Salmond to stand to become a MP at next Election. He's expected to confirm his candidacy for the Gordon seat in Aberdeenshire tomorrow.
Mr P, it's not like you not to post an URL to justify your ranting comment - and surely Westminster backbenchers are hardly frontline pols.
As for Murphy, there are lot of safe seats still for him, or List.
And as for Nicola, I watched the last FMQs and she was well and truly filleted by Jackie Baillie.
I was watching the expressions of Swinney and the back benchers behind Nicola, and they were not happy bunnies.0 -
@ShippersUnbound
In article for Sunday Times, Osborne says both Lib Dems and Labour would lead to a “return to economic chaos”.0 -
So you want to be able to breastfeed anywhere, even in the most formal (and expensive) hotel environment with a strict dress code, but you don't want anyone to actually look. Because *that* would be a breach of etiquette. Is there any other way we can fit around you and your baby you'd like to tell us now -some sort of genuflection as we pass perhaps?JosiasJessop said:
I would hope you were enough of a gentleman not to do so. Or is the sort of thing you are likely to do?saddened said:
Would you have an issue with me staring at your wifes breasts if she was to breast feed in a public place? If yes why?JosiasJessop said:
As someone said on the previous thread, it's a morality that's built up since Victorian times. Before then, the female breast was not seen in quite the same way. For instance Nell Gwyn and others.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Alistair, as an aside, it's curious that breasts are seen as all racy and sexy on women, but far less risqué on men (ie men walking about shirtless, whilst uncouth, is not seen in nearly the same light as women doing likewise).
Is this bad for women (their body is seen as more sexual) or for men (being naked from the waist up is seen as acceptable)? [Or for neither, of course]. Imagine if it were reversed.
Mind you, women bare their midriffs and legs much more.
(some of the poor fellows should not click on this link, lest they get upset):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2050520/Nell-Gwyn-portrait-Topless-painting-Charles-IIs-mistress-display.html
It's an artificial taboo built up over the years. Whether it's right or wrong is something that even feminists cannot agree on ...
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Yebbut the Tories are UKIP for pussies. Still, I have five months to decideTheScreamingEagles said:
Remember Sunil means blue.Sunil_Prasannan said:Dilemma - should I vote Tory to help prevent Lab winning?
Or should I simply consider that the Tories are UKIP for pussies?
As I said it's quite a dilemma
Vote UKIP and you get Ed. 0 -
Can you name some of these numerous 'safe' seats?Edin_Rokz said:
As for Murphy, there are lot of safe seats still for him, or List.
You do know how the Holyrood list works?
Dead cert qtwtain.
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I will personally lovebomb you every day between now and election day.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Yebbut the Tories are UKIP for pussies. Still, I have five months to decideTheScreamingEagles said:
Remember Sunil means blue.Sunil_Prasannan said:Dilemma - should I vote Tory to help prevent Lab winning?
Or should I simply consider that the Tories are UKIP for pussies?
As I said it's quite a dilemma
Vote UKIP and you get Ed.
I do have your email address and mobile number.0 -
Bloody hell, Osborne isn't holding back on his attack on Clegg and Alexander.
Osborne says Lib Dem economic plans would lead Clegg and Alexander to "dump" "hefty" income tax and national insurance rises on voters0 -
Sturgeon's had a bad week. I've always found her horrible but she's become markedly more so since her coronation.Edin_Rokz said:
Who was it who said " a week is a long time in politics"? Anyway that's nothing compared to a Year. But KP has another job now and would he be willing to go back to nursemaiding Eck? Would you want to?Carnyx said:
Only a year's overlap, but at least it is the right way round - not like the problems Mr Murphy could face.Edin_Rokz said:
Interesting thought: Will Salmond retain his Holyrood seat, or resign it on becoming an MP? That would mean he would he is still in with chance of being "recalled to the colours" if the SNP membership got fed up with Nicola. Of course, it would never cross his mind to do so.......... Just like the last timeScott_P said:Was it only this morning the Nats were ranting about how Salmond had resigned from front line politics...?
@ZoraSuleman: Alex Salmond to stand to become a MP at next Election. He's expected to confirm his candidacy for the Gordon seat in Aberdeenshire tomorrow.
Mr P, it's not like you not to post an URL to justify your ranting comment - and surely Westminster backbenchers are hardly frontline pols.
As for Murphy, there are lot of safe seats still for him, or List.
And as for Nicola, I watched the last FMQs and she was well and truly filleted by Jackie Baillie.
I was watching the expressions of Swinney and the back benchers behind Nicola, and they were not happy bunnies.
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Why? Because the Americans want a base there and don't want to pay for it. What money? Where does any of it come from?Speedy said:
I though that Britain withdrew from east of suez because of lack of money, these days there is even a bigger lack of money and the price of oil has dropped almost 50%, so why build a base and with what money?Paul_Mid_Beds said:Changing the subject. Britain are going to build a permanent naval base in Bahrain
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/dec/06/britain-first-middle-eastern-military-base-bahrain
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Quite! There are a lot of people forgetting that a lot of supposedly secure SNP seats actually voted NO! And while Bruce may be retiring, I suspect there will be a lot of the electorate who would vote tactically to make sure Eck didn't get in.fitalass said:Why do you assume that Gordon was a guaranteed SNP gain no matter who ran?
Danny565 said:
Rather safe for him, that's a guaranteed SNP gain no matter who runs. I thought he might've tried to use his personal vote to get West Aberdeenshire.FrancisUrquhart said:Worst kept secret in Scottish Politics, he isn't really going away...
Former SNP leader Alex Salmond is to stand for a seat at Westminster at next May's General Election, the BBC understands.
He will contest the Gordon seat held by retiring Lib Dem MP Sir Malcolm Bruce.
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Huge population shifts.HurstLlama said:
Is this down to changing population in that area of London? I'd guess that is more likely than the same residents changing their political views. Of course from the Conservative point of view it still is not a good sign. Once upon a time they could win in big cities as much as in the shires, they seem to have lost that ability and show no sign of having a clue how to get it back. Instead they now seem to be concentrating on losing voters in rural areas and small/medium seized towns.AndyJS said:
Amazing to reflect that the Tories only lost Ilford South in 1992 by 400 votes and were able to win good majorities in 1987, 1983 and 1979.chestnut said:The demographic in Ilford North is very different to that of Ilford South (ex East Ham)
Lewis Baston wrote an interesting article, detailing where the Conservatives had gained and lost seats since 1964 (when they won 303 seats). Scotland and Northern Ireland provide a big chunk of the losses. The rest are upper middle class urban areas, or urban areas which are now majority/minority.
The gains are in new towns, solidly Labour in 1964, but now largely Tory, and additional seats being created in the Shires.
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My youngest son asked his mum what a blowjob was the other day.Neil said:
I had to tell my nephew what moobs were when he asked recently. An inquisitive lad, he hasnt asked half as many questions as usual since then.Sean_F said:
Moobs aren't very attractive.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Alistair, as an aside, it's curious that breasts are seen as all racy and sexy on women, but far less risqué on men (ie men walking about shirtless, whilst uncouth, is not seen in nearly the same light as women doing likewise).
Is this bad for women (their body is seen as more sexual) or for men (being naked from the waist up is seen as acceptable)? [Or for neither, of course]. Imagine if it were reversed.
Mind you, women bare their midriffs and legs much more.
As she was driving him to school she could not escape :-)
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There is surprisingly little on the front pages about the Autumn statement. Normally the Sunday after these kind of statement, the papers have had their interns busily crunching numbers, phoning up "experts", etc to get themselves a good story.0
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Osborn may be a nifty political operator but he is not a leader and has all the voter appeal of a plague rat. I would hope he knows this and maybe he does based on that remark.Neil said:
I nearly choked on this:old_labour said:
"One senior Tory said Mr Osborne had been pinning his hopes on the young culture secretary, Sajid Javid, as his best hope of stopping Mr Johnson."
What makes me think that Osborne's hopes are somewhat closer to home than that?
Javid could go far and would be a good leader and possibly PM but he is untested. If the Conservatives form the next government I would like to see Javid be given a big tough department (Health or DWP). If he performs well at that then I think he could go all the way. More likely though is that Cameron loses and Javid gets bored in opposition and walks away from politics.0 -
Whenever I've seen women breastfeeding in public, they tend to sit in a corner unobtrusively, and drape a blanket over the appropriate shoulder to prevent offence being given.0
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Front page of the Sunday Times
Osborne declares war on the Lib Dems
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4NFj63CcAA9J8-.jpg0 -
Fair to say Osborne has gone all Vince Cable0
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Remember there are laws against stalkingTheScreamingEagles said:
I will personally lovebomb you every day between now and election day.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Yebbut the Tories are UKIP for pussies. Still, I have five months to decideTheScreamingEagles said:
Remember Sunil means blue.Sunil_Prasannan said:Dilemma - should I vote Tory to help prevent Lab winning?
Or should I simply consider that the Tories are UKIP for pussies?
As I said it's quite a dilemma
Vote UKIP and you get Ed.
I do have your email address and mobile number. 0 -
I take it you want to Enjoy the Silence, rather than say you Just Can't Get Enough of me?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Remember there are laws against stalkingTheScreamingEagles said:
I will personally lovebomb you every day between now and election day.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Yebbut the Tories are UKIP for pussies. Still, I have five months to decideTheScreamingEagles said:
Remember Sunil means blue.Sunil_Prasannan said:Dilemma - should I vote Tory to help prevent Lab winning?
Or should I simply consider that the Tories are UKIP for pussies?
As I said it's quite a dilemma
Vote UKIP and you get Ed.
I do have your email address and mobile number.0 -
I don't think the Americans are short of military bases in the Middle East. Your anti-Americanism is clouding your brain from common sense again.Luckyguy1983 said:
Why? Because the Americans want a base there and don't want to pay for it. What money? Where does any of it come from?Speedy said:
I though that Britain withdrew from east of suez because of lack of money, these days there is even a bigger lack of money and the price of oil has dropped almost 50%, so why build a base and with what money?Paul_Mid_Beds said:Changing the subject. Britain are going to build a permanent naval base in Bahrain
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/dec/06/britain-first-middle-eastern-military-base-bahrain0 -
Most leaders are untested until they become Leader.HurstLlama said:
Osborn may be a nifty political operator but he is not a leader and has all the voter appeal of a plague rat. I would hope he knows this and maybe he does based on that remark.Neil said:
I nearly choked on this:old_labour said:
"One senior Tory said Mr Osborne had been pinning his hopes on the young culture secretary, Sajid Javid, as his best hope of stopping Mr Johnson."
What makes me think that Osborne's hopes are somewhat closer to home than that?
Javid could go far and would be a good leader and possibly PM but he is untested. If the Conservatives form the next government I would like to see Javid be given a big tough department (Health or DWP). If he performs well at that then I think he could go all the way. More likely though is that Cameron loses and Javid gets bored in opposition and walks away from politics.
I get your meaning, untested in a top job, but a top job is no rehearsal for the top job.0 -
Yes - the Conservatives' best chance has to be to frighten voters with a 1992 style Lab (/LD) tax bombshell, backed up by saying Lab (/ LD) means more borrowing / more debt / more waste / more irresponsibility etc.TheScreamingEagles said:Bloody hell, Osborne isn't holding back on his attack on Clegg and Alexander.
Osborne says Lib Dem economic plans would lead Clegg and Alexander to "dump" "hefty" income tax and national insurance rises on voters
Plus of course Ed M.
Whether it will work or not - who knows - but I'm sure it is the optimum strategy.
The aim will also be to encourage some UKIP switchers back - by talking up the idea that Lab will directly cost them money.0 -
My understanding was that it will be adjacent to an exisiting US naval base.Socrates said:
I don't think the Americans are short of military bases in the Middle East. Your anti-Americanism is clouding your brain from common sense again.Luckyguy1983 said:
Why? Because the Americans want a base there and don't want to pay for it. What money? Where does any of it come from?Speedy said:
I though that Britain withdrew from east of suez because of lack of money, these days there is even a bigger lack of money and the price of oil has dropped almost 50%, so why build a base and with what money?Paul_Mid_Beds said:Changing the subject. Britain are going to build a permanent naval base in Bahrain
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/dec/06/britain-first-middle-eastern-military-base-bahrain0 -
Sturgeon and Wee Eck were in lock step, all the way through the Referendum campaign. Its failure was as much down to her as him. He resigned; she got promoted. No logic there to her coronation....MonikerDiCanio said:
Sturgeon's had a bad week. I've always found her horrible but she's become markedly more so since her coronation.Edin_Rokz said:
Who was it who said " a week is a long time in politics"? Anyway that's nothing compared to a Year. But KP has another job now and would he be willing to go back to nursemaiding Eck? Would you want to?Carnyx said:
Only a year's overlap, but at least it is the right way round - not like the problems Mr Murphy could face.Edin_Rokz said:
Interesting thought: Will Salmond retain his Holyrood seat, or resign it on becoming an MP? That would mean he would he is still in with chance of being "recalled to the colours" if the SNP membership got fed up with Nicola. Of course, it would never cross his mind to do so.......... Just like the last timeScott_P said:Was it only this morning the Nats were ranting about how Salmond had resigned from front line politics...?
@ZoraSuleman: Alex Salmond to stand to become a MP at next Election. He's expected to confirm his candidacy for the Gordon seat in Aberdeenshire tomorrow.
Mr P, it's not like you not to post an URL to justify your ranting comment - and surely Westminster backbenchers are hardly frontline pols.
As for Murphy, there are lot of safe seats still for him, or List.
And as for Nicola, I watched the last FMQs and she was well and truly filleted by Jackie Baillie.
I was watching the expressions of Swinney and the back benchers behind Nicola, and they were not happy bunnies.
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Tim_B said:
Whenever I've seen women breastfeeding in public, they tend to sit in a corner unobtrusively, and drape a blanket over the appropriate shoulder to prevent offence being given.
I don't think it is to prevent offence, just makes it less awkward.
Imagine: You're sitting in a restaurant, chatting away, looking around, and suddenly realise you are looking at a lady with a breast partially exposed. You look for a moment before understanding and turning away.
It's a bit awkward, but that's all.
The lady should be as discreet as reasonable, and the guy should not make a fuss. Then we would all be happy.
*sighs*
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This may require an Intervention.... You'll thank us in the long run.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Yebbut the Tories are UKIP for pussies. Still, I have five months to decideTheScreamingEagles said:
Remember Sunil means blue.Sunil_Prasannan said:Dilemma - should I vote Tory to help prevent Lab winning?
Or should I simply consider that the Tories are UKIP for pussies?
As I said it's quite a dilemma
Vote UKIP and you get Ed.
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He was probably watching ceebeebies and got confusedAlistair said:
I don't think we watched the same FMQs.Edin_Rokz said:
Who was it who said " a week is a long time in politics"? Anyway that's nothing compared to a Year. But KP has another job now and would he be willing to go back to nursemaiding Eck? Would you want to?Carnyx said:
Only a year's overlap, but at least it is the right way round - not like the problems Mr Murphy could face.Edin_Rokz said:
Interesting thought: Will Salmond retain his Holyrood seat, or resign it on becoming an MP? That would mean he would he is still in with chance of being "recalled to the colours" if the SNP membership got fed up with Nicola. Of course, it would never cross his mind to do so.......... Just like the last timeScott_P said:Was it only this morning the Nats were ranting about how Salmond had resigned from front line politics...?
@ZoraSuleman: Alex Salmond to stand to become a MP at next Election. He's expected to confirm his candidacy for the Gordon seat in Aberdeenshire tomorrow.
Mr P, it's not like you not to post an URL to justify your ranting comment - and surely Westminster backbenchers are hardly frontline pols.
As for Murphy, there are lot of safe seats still for him, or List.
And as for Nicola, I watched the last FMQs and she was well and truly filleted by Jackie Baillie.
I was watching the expressions of Swinney and the back benchers behind Nicola, and they were not happy bunnies.0 -
I have got to the point I am skipping every post containing the word "breast". This is uncharacteristic behaviour for me but even I have a limit.0
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You'd be amazed how hard some people work at taking offense.MarkHopkins said:Tim_B said:Whenever I've seen women breastfeeding in public, they tend to sit in a corner unobtrusively, and drape a blanket over the appropriate shoulder to prevent offence being given.
I don't think it is to prevent offence, just makes it less awkward.
Imagine: You're sitting in a restaurant, chatting away, looking around, and suddenly realise you are looking at a lady with a breast partially exposed. You look for a moment before understanding and turning away.
It's a bit awkward, but that's all.
The lady should be as discreet as reasonable, and the guy should not make a fuss. Then we would all be happy.
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LOL , crawling in via list would suit Murphy. I see the knowledge on here re Scotland is not improving any.MarqueeMark said:
Sturgeon and Wee Eck were in lock step, all the way through the Referendum campaign. Its failure was as much down to her as him. He resigned; she got promoted. No logic there to her coronation....MonikerDiCanio said:
Sturgeon's had a bad week. I've always found her horrible but she's become markedly more so since her coronation.Edin_Rokz said:
Who was it who said " a week is a long time in politics"? Anyway that's nothing compared to a Year. But KP has another job now and would he be willing to go back to nursemaiding Eck? Would you want to?Carnyx said:
Only a year's overlap, but at least it is the right way round - not like the problems Mr Murphy could face.Edin_Rokz said:
Interesting thought: Will Salmond retain his Holyrood seat, or resign it on becoming an MP? That would mean he would he is still in with chance of being "recalled to the colours" if the SNP membership got fed up with Nicola. Of course, it would never cross his mind to do so.......... Just like the last timeScott_P said:Was it only this morning the Nats were ranting about how Salmond had resigned from front line politics...?
@ZoraSuleman: Alex Salmond to stand to become a MP at next Election. He's expected to confirm his candidacy for the Gordon seat in Aberdeenshire tomorrow.
Mr P, it's not like you not to post an URL to justify your ranting comment - and surely Westminster backbenchers are hardly frontline pols.
As for Murphy, there are lot of safe seats still for him, or List.
And as for Nicola, I watched the last FMQs and she was well and truly filleted by Jackie Baillie.
I was watching the expressions of Swinney and the back benchers behind Nicola, and they were not happy bunnies.0 -
If people vote for the Tories, they'll have no reason to change.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Yebbut the Tories are UKIP for pussies. Still, I have five months to decideTheScreamingEagles said:
Remember Sunil means blue.Sunil_Prasannan said:Dilemma - should I vote Tory to help prevent Lab winning?
Or should I simply consider that the Tories are UKIP for pussies?
As I said it's quite a dilemma
Vote UKIP and you get Ed.
Think of the children!!0 -
Sun Politics retweeted
Craig Woodhouse @craigawoodhouse 5m5 minutes ago
Very interesting development in the May v BoJo fight to be revealed in tomorrow's @TheSunNewspaper0 -
From Ozzy's article in the Sunday Times
The Liberal Democrats are now arguing with themselves, so it’s hard to work out exactly what they think.0 -
Conservative party lunch in Dundee today with Ruth Davidson. She said one of her nightmares is Salmond ending up as deputy PM to Ed Miliband after the next election. She doubted Ed could stand up to him. Indeed a puff of wind was mentioned.
She is right to be worried. I doubt we have seen the last of Alex on the national stage yet.0 -
No Malkie, I'll leave Eck the Sheep all to you, he was well and truly shawn on Sept 19th ......or was it one of the Tellytubbies, if we are talking about Eck, he's probably in the Poo outfit.malcolmg said:
He was probably watching ceebeebies and got confusedAlistair said:
I don't think we watched the same FMQs.Edin_Rokz said:
Who was it who said " a week is a long time in politics"? Anyway that's nothing compared to a Year. But KP has another job now and would he be willing to go back to nursemaiding Eck? Would you want to?Carnyx said:
Only a year's overlap, but at least it is the right way round - not like the problems Mr Murphy could face.Edin_Rokz said:
Interesting thought: Will Salmond retain his Holyrood seat, or resign it on becoming an MP? That would mean he would he is still in with chance of being "recalled to the colours" if the SNP membership got fed up with Nicola. Of course, it would never cross his mind to do so.......... Just like the last timeScott_P said:Was it only this morning the Nats were ranting about how Salmond had resigned from front line politics...?
@ZoraSuleman: Alex Salmond to stand to become a MP at next Election. He's expected to confirm his candidacy for the Gordon seat in Aberdeenshire tomorrow.
Mr P, it's not like you not to post an URL to justify your ranting comment - and surely Westminster backbenchers are hardly frontline pols.
As for Murphy, there are lot of safe seats still for him, or List.
And as for Nicola, I watched the last FMQs and she was well and truly filleted by Jackie Baillie.
I was watching the expressions of Swinney and the back benchers behind Nicola, and they were not happy bunnies.0 -
Thanks for that, Mr. F. I have found Baston's article on Con Home and it is interesting reading. Looking at my nearest New Town, Crawley, it swung to Labour in 1997 after Soames did the chicken run and was won back only in 2010. Though the incumbent has a 5k majority and there are lots of new estates being built, I think it a likely Labour gain next May.Sean_F said:
Huge population shifts.
Lewis Baston wrote an interesting article, detailing where the Conservatives had gained and lost seats since 1964 (when they won 303 seats). Scotland and Northern Ireland provide a big chunk of the losses. The rest are upper middle class urban areas, or urban areas which are now majority/minority.
The gains are in new towns, solidly Labour in 1964, but now largely Tory, and additional seats being created in the Shires.
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It's No Good ...TheScreamingEagles said:
I take it you want to Enjoy the Silence, rather than say you Just Can't Get Enough of me?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Remember there are laws against stalkingTheScreamingEagles said:
I will personally lovebomb you every day between now and election day.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Yebbut the Tories are UKIP for pussies. Still, I have five months to decideTheScreamingEagles said:
Remember Sunil means blue.Sunil_Prasannan said:Dilemma - should I vote Tory to help prevent Lab winning?
Or should I simply consider that the Tories are UKIP for pussies?
As I said it's quite a dilemma
Vote UKIP and you get Ed.
I do have your email address and mobile number.0 -
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It's cold. The people eat porridge, shortcake and deep fried Mars bars. Everyone wears tartan clothes.malcolmg said:
I see the knowledge on here re Scotland is not improving any.MarqueeMark said:
Sturgeon and Wee Eck were in lock step, all the way through the Referendum campaign. Its failure was as much down to her as him. He resigned; she got promoted. No logic there to her coronation....MonikerDiCanio said:
Sturgeon's had a bad week. I've always found her horrible but she's become markedly more so since her coronation.Edin_Rokz said:
Who was it who said " a week is a long time in politics"? Anyway that's nothing compared to a Year. But KP has another job now and would he be willing to go back to nursemaiding Eck? Would you want to?Carnyx said:
Only a year's overlap, but at least it is the right way round - not like the problems Mr Murphy could face.Edin_Rokz said:
Interesting thought: Will Salmond retain his Holyrood seat, or resign it on becoming an MP? That would mean he would he is still in with chance of being "recalled to the colours" if the SNP membership got fed up with Nicola. Of course, it would never cross his mind to do so.......... Just like the last timeScott_P said:Was it only this morning the Nats were ranting about how Salmond had resigned from front line politics...?
@ZoraSuleman: Alex Salmond to stand to become a MP at next Election. He's expected to confirm his candidacy for the Gordon seat in Aberdeenshire tomorrow.
Mr P, it's not like you not to post an URL to justify your ranting comment - and surely Westminster backbenchers are hardly frontline pols.
As for Murphy, there are lot of safe seats still for him, or List.
And as for Nicola, I watched the last FMQs and she was well and truly filleted by Jackie Baillie.
I was watching the expressions of Swinney and the back benchers behind Nicola, and they were not happy bunnies.
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I reckon we should let mothers breastfeed in peace, pretty much anywhere. There's no need to make a fuss, just don't stare, or point, or mutter under your breath. Make it easy for everyone involved.
Can we move on, or are you all going to milk it some more?0 -
And the midges eat the people.anotherDave said:
It's cold. The people eat porridge, shortcake and deep fried Mars bars. Everyone wears tartan clothes.malcolmg said:
I see the knowledge on here re Scotland is not improving any.MarqueeMark said:
Sturgeon and Wee Eck were in lock step, all the way through the Referendum campaign. Its failure was as much down to her as him. He resigned; she got promoted. No logic there to her coronation....MonikerDiCanio said:
Sturgeon's had a bad week. I've always found her horrible but she's become markedly more so since her coronation.Edin_Rokz said:
Who was it who said " a week is a long time in politics"? Anyway that's nothing compared to a Year. But KP has another job now and would he be willing to go back to nursemaiding Eck? Would you want to?Carnyx said:
Only a year's overlap, but at least it is the right way round - not like the problems Mr Murphy could face.Edin_Rokz said:
Interesting thought: Will Salmond retain his Holyrood seat, or resign it on becoming an MP? That would mean he would he is still in with chance of being "recalled to the colours" if the SNP membership got fed up with Nicola. Of course, it would never cross his mind to do so.......... Just like the last timeScott_P said:Was it only this morning the Nats were ranting about how Salmond had resigned from front line politics...?
@ZoraSuleman: Alex Salmond to stand to become a MP at next Election. He's expected to confirm his candidacy for the Gordon seat in Aberdeenshire tomorrow.
Mr P, it's not like you not to post an URL to justify your ranting comment - and surely Westminster backbenchers are hardly frontline pols.
As for Murphy, there are lot of safe seats still for him, or List.
And as for Nicola, I watched the last FMQs and she was well and truly filleted by Jackie Baillie.
I was watching the expressions of Swinney and the back benchers behind Nicola, and they were not happy bunnies.
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And anyway, how's Germany? I think I can just about remember that you were on holiday there and that you wouldn't return if Scotland voted no.Edin_Rokz said:
No Malkie, I'll leave Eck the Sheep all to you, he was well and truly shawn on Sept 19th ......or was it one of the Tellytubbies, if we are talking about Eck, he's probably in the Poo outfit.malcolmg said:
He was probably watching ceebeebies and got confusedAlistair said:
I don't think we watched the same FMQs.Edin_Rokz said:
Who was it who said " a week is a long time in politics"? Anyway that's nothing compared to a Year. But KP has another job now and would he be willing to go back to nursemaiding Eck? Would you want to?Carnyx said:
Only a year's overlap, but at least it is the right way round - not like the problems Mr Murphy could face.Edin_Rokz said:
Interesting thought: Will Salmond retain his Holyrood seat, or resign it on becoming an MP? That would mean he would he is still in with chance of being "recalled to the colours" if the SNP membership got fed up with Nicola. Of course, it would never cross his mind to do so.......... Just like the last timeScott_P said:Was it only this morning the Nats were ranting about how Salmond had resigned from front line politics...?
@ZoraSuleman: Alex Salmond to stand to become a MP at next Election. He's expected to confirm his candidacy for the Gordon seat in Aberdeenshire tomorrow.
Mr P, it's not like you not to post an URL to justify your ranting comment - and surely Westminster backbenchers are hardly frontline pols.
As for Murphy, there are lot of safe seats still for him, or List.
And as for Nicola, I watched the last FMQs and she was well and truly filleted by Jackie Baillie.
I was watching the expressions of Swinney and the back benchers behind Nicola, and they were not happy bunnies.0 -
Further proof if proof were needed that the Chancellor's Autumn Statement has had a negligible impact on the polls.TheScreamingEagles said:YouGov for the Sunday Times
Con 32, Lab 32, LD 6, UKIP 17, Greens 7
Third YouGov poll in a row with the Greens outpolling the LDs0 -
I don't think anyone is forgetting that, given that it is mentioned every time the SNP are brought up. But nor do I think anyone is so stupid as to blindly assume a NO vote is an anti-SNP vote and a YES vote is a pro-SNP vote.Edin_Rokz said:
Quite! There are a lot of people forgetting that a lot of supposedly secure SNP seats actually voted NO! And while Bruce may be retiring, I suspect there will be a lot of the electorate who would vote tactically to make sure Eck didn't get in.fitalass said:Why do you assume that Gordon was a guaranteed SNP gain no matter who ran?
Danny565 said:
Rather safe for him, that's a guaranteed SNP gain no matter who runs. I thought he might've tried to use his personal vote to get West Aberdeenshire.FrancisUrquhart said:Worst kept secret in Scottish Politics, he isn't really going away...
Former SNP leader Alex Salmond is to stand for a seat at Westminster at next May's General Election, the BBC understands.
He will contest the Gordon seat held by retiring Lib Dem MP Sir Malcolm Bruce.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-30364575
And even if that was the case that YES=SNP then 'some people' would be forgetting that these areas still voted Yes 40%+ which would be a comfortable win for a SNP candidate barring never seen before levels of tactical voting.0 -
- and they eat haggis and drink scotch on Burns Night. I've done that more than once.MarqueeMark said:
And the midges eat the people.anotherDave said:
It's cold. The people eat porridge, shortcake and deep fried Mars bars. Everyone wears tartan clothes.malcolmg said:
I see the knowledge on here re Scotland is not improving any.MarqueeMark said:
Sturgeon and Wee Eck were in lock step, all the way through the Referendum campaign. Its failure was as much down to her as him. He resigned; she got promoted. No logic there to her coronation....MonikerDiCanio said:
Sturgeon's had a bad week. I've always found her horrible but she's become markedly more so since her coronation.Edin_Rokz said:
Who was it who said " a week is a long time in politics"? Anyway that's nothing compared to a Year. But KP has another job now and would he be willing to go back to nursemaiding Eck? Would you want to?Carnyx said:
Only a year's overlap, but at least it is the right way round - not like the problems Mr Murphy could face.Edin_Rokz said:
Interesting thought: Will Salmond retain his Holyrood seat, or resign it on becoming an MP? That would mean he would he is still in with chance of being "recalled to the colours" if the SNP membership got fed up with Nicola. Of course, it would never cross his mind to do so.......... Just like the last timeScott_P said:Was it only this morning the Nats were ranting about how Salmond had resigned from front line politics...?
@ZoraSuleman: Alex Salmond to stand to become a MP at next Election. He's expected to confirm his candidacy for the Gordon seat in Aberdeenshire tomorrow.
Mr P, it's not like you not to post an URL to justify your ranting comment - and surely Westminster backbenchers are hardly frontline pols.
As for Murphy, there are lot of safe seats still for him, or List.
And as for Nicola, I watched the last FMQs and she was well and truly filleted by Jackie Baillie.
I was watching the expressions of Swinney and the back benchers behind Nicola, and they were not happy bunnies.0 -
From the cabinet meeting prior to the Autumn Statement (via the Sunday Times)
Cable asked how it was possible that both parties had signed up to joint draconian spending plans up to 2017. He also warned against setting unrealistic targets and breaking promises, citing the Lib Dems’ own broken pledge on university tuition fees and the Tories’ failure to curb immigration.
One Tory minister said: “It wasn’t just a tank straying onto George’s lawn, it was an entire panzer division, a full Ardennes offensive.” Another called it a “jaw- dropping moment” but not because it was an attack on Osborne. “It was an attack on Nick.”
Three ministers present said Clegg rolled his eyes at Cameron. “Cameron gave Nick a look that said: he’s off again. Nick rolled his eyes. He was saying: see what I have to put up with.”0 -
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Don't Be My Enemy....TheScreamingEagles said:
I take it you want to Enjoy the Silence, rather than say you Just Can't Get Enough of me?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Remember there are laws against stalkingTheScreamingEagles said:
I will personally lovebomb you every day between now and election day.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Yebbut the Tories are UKIP for pussies. Still, I have five months to decideTheScreamingEagles said:
Remember Sunil means blue.Sunil_Prasannan said:Dilemma - should I vote Tory to help prevent Lab winning?
Or should I simply consider that the Tories are UKIP for pussies?
As I said it's quite a dilemma
Vote UKIP and you get Ed.
I do have your email address and mobile number.
(Question: are Wang Chung a bit too esoteric for eighties references?)
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I saw a lovely pair of tits in my garden this morning!
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Listening to Sturgeon's coarse and grating accent, it's easy to understand why the North Eastern and Lowland Scots were so violently alienated by her in the referendum. Unbearable.MarqueeMark said:
Sturgeon and Wee Eck were in lock step, all the way through the Referendum campaign. Its failure was as much down to her as him. He resigned; she got promoted. No logic there to her coronation....MonikerDiCanio said:
Sturgeon's had a bad week. I've always found her horrible but she's become markedly more so since her coronation.Edin_Rokz said:
Who was it who said " a week is a long time in politics"? Anyway that's nothing compared to a Year. But KP has another job now and would he be willing to go back to nursemaiding Eck? Would you want to?Carnyx said:
Only a year's overlap, but at least it is the right way round - not like the problems Mr Murphy could face.Edin_Rokz said:
Interesting thought: Will Salmond retain his Holyrood seat, or resign it on becoming an MP? That would mean he would he is still in with chance of being "recalled to the colours" if the SNP membership got fed up with Nicola. Of course, it would never cross his mind to do so.......... Just like the last timeScott_P said:Was it only this morning the Nats were ranting about how Salmond had resigned from front line politics...?
@ZoraSuleman: Alex Salmond to stand to become a MP at next Election. He's expected to confirm his candidacy for the Gordon seat in Aberdeenshire tomorrow.
Mr P, it's not like you not to post an URL to justify your ranting comment - and surely Westminster backbenchers are hardly frontline pols.
As for Murphy, there are lot of safe seats still for him, or List.
And as for Nicola, I watched the last FMQs and she was well and truly filleted by Jackie Baillie.
I was watching the expressions of Swinney and the back benchers behind Nicola, and they were not happy bunnies.
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So it's a like a zombie apocalypse, but with insects?MarqueeMark said:
And the midges eat the people.anotherDave said:
It's cold. The people eat porridge, shortcake and deep fried Mars bars. Everyone wears tartan clothes.malcolmg said:
I see the knowledge on here re Scotland is not improving any.MarqueeMark said:
Sturgeon and Wee Eck were in lock step, all the way through the Referendum campaign. Its failure was as much down to her as him. He resigned; she got promoted. No logic there to her coronation....MonikerDiCanio said:
Sturgeon's had a bad week. I've always found her horrible but she's become markedly more so since her coronation.Edin_Rokz said:
Who was it who said " a week is a long time in politics"? Anyway that's nothing compared to a Year. But KP has another job now and would he be willing to go back to nursemaiding Eck? Would you want to?Carnyx said:
Only a year's overlap, but at least it is the right way round - not like the problems Mr Murphy could face.Edin_Rokz said:
Interesting thought: Will Salmond retain his Holyrood seat, or resign it on becoming an MP? That would mean he would he is still in with chance of being "recalled to the colours" if the SNP membership got fed up with Nicola. Of course, it would never cross his mind to do so.......... Just like the last timeScott_P said:Was it only this morning the Nats were ranting about how Salmond had resigned from front line politics...?
@ZoraSuleman: Alex Salmond to stand to become a MP at next Election. He's expected to confirm his candidacy for the Gordon seat in Aberdeenshire tomorrow.
Mr P, it's not like you not to post an URL to justify your ranting comment - and surely Westminster backbenchers are hardly frontline pols.
As for Murphy, there are lot of safe seats still for him, or List.
And as for Nicola, I watched the last FMQs and she was well and truly filleted by Jackie Baillie.
I was watching the expressions of Swinney and the back benchers behind Nicola, and they were not happy bunnies.
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No, they aren't, and they're very costly to build, maintain and man. How is it common sense for us to build a new military base anywhere with the present state of the public finances? My realism about the danger posed by America's attempt to militarily forestall its natural decline is sensible, borne out by facts, and fits with my over all world view. Your soft spot for Uncle Sam is wholly inconsistent with yours.Socrates said:
I don't think the Americans are short of military bases in the Middle East. Your anti-Americanism is clouding your brain from common sense again.Luckyguy1983 said:
Why? Because the Americans want a base there and don't want to pay for it. What money? Where does any of it come from?Speedy said:
I though that Britain withdrew from east of suez because of lack of money, these days there is even a bigger lack of money and the price of oil has dropped almost 50%, so why build a base and with what money?Paul_Mid_Beds said:Changing the subject. Britain are going to build a permanent naval base in Bahrain
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/dec/06/britain-first-middle-eastern-military-base-bahrain
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Nope.MarqueeMark said:
Don't Be My Enemy....TheScreamingEagles said:
I take it you want to Enjoy the Silence, rather than say you Just Can't Get Enough of me?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Remember there are laws against stalkingTheScreamingEagles said:
I will personally lovebomb you every day between now and election day.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Yebbut the Tories are UKIP for pussies. Still, I have five months to decideTheScreamingEagles said:
Remember Sunil means blue.Sunil_Prasannan said:Dilemma - should I vote Tory to help prevent Lab winning?
Or should I simply consider that the Tories are UKIP for pussies?
As I said it's quite a dilemma
Vote UKIP and you get Ed.
I do have your email address and mobile number.
(Question: are Wang Chung a bit too esoteric for eighties references?)
80s music rocks.0 -
And further proof that the LibDems are in the Fifth Column....peter_from_putney said:
Further proof if proof were needed that the Chancellor's Autumn Statement has had a negligible impact on the polls.TheScreamingEagles said:YouGov for the Sunday Times
Con 32, Lab 32, LD 6, UKIP 17, Greens 7
Third YouGov poll in a row with the Greens outpolling the LDs
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Don't click this link if you're Mother is nearbySunil_Prasannan said:I saw a lovely pair of tits in my garden this morning!
One was a Blue Tit, one was a Great Tit
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4IfBEFCYAAHjhN.jpg:large0 -
And Malkie, keep wearing the kilt, you do know that sheep realise what the sound of a zip means.Edin_Rokz said:
No Malkie, I'll leave Eck the Sheep all to you, he was well and truly shawn on Sept 19th ......or was it one of the Tellytubbies, if we are talking about Eck, he's probably in the Poo outfit.malcolmg said:
He was probably watching ceebeebies and got confusedAlistair said:
I don't think we watched the same FMQs.Edin_Rokz said:
Who was it who said " a week is a long time in politics"? Anyway that's nothing compared to a Year. But KP has another job now and would he be willing to go back to nursemaiding Eck? Would you want to?Carnyx said:
Only a year's overlap, but at least it is the right way round - not like the problems Mr Murphy could face.Edin_Rokz said:
Interesting thought: Will Salmond retain his Holyrood seat, or resign it on becoming an MP? That would mean he would he is still in with chance of being "recalled to the colours" if the SNP membership got fed up with Nicola. Of course, it would never cross his mind to do so.......... Just like the last timeScott_P said:Was it only this morning the Nats were ranting about how Salmond had resigned from front line politics...?
@ZoraSuleman: Alex Salmond to stand to become a MP at next Election. He's expected to confirm his candidacy for the Gordon seat in Aberdeenshire tomorrow.
Mr P, it's not like you not to post an URL to justify your ranting comment - and surely Westminster backbenchers are hardly frontline pols.
As for Murphy, there are lot of safe seats still for him, or List.
And as for Nicola, I watched the last FMQs and she was well and truly filleted by Jackie Baillie.
I was watching the expressions of Swinney and the back benchers behind Nicola, and they were not happy bunnies.0 -
I think that's pretty unlikely - Ed would just go for a minority Government in the knowledge that the SNP would never vote him down.DavidL said:Conservative party lunch in Dundee today with Ruth Davidson. She said one of her nightmares is Salmond ending up as deputy PM to Ed Miliband after the next election. She doubted Ed could stand up to him. Indeed a puff of wind was mentioned.
She is right to be worried. I doubt we have seen the last of Alex on the national stage yet.
There is zero chance of Miliband scrapping Trident at the behest of the SNP.
Even if he wanted to he wouldn't - because it would be unthinkable for him to allow the SNP to change Britain's defence policy.0 -
Avast, Cap'n Doc. What need is there for time to decide? You are a pirate, for goodness sake, not some lace-panty wearer from King Charles Street! Pirates have a duty to do the right thing for themselves (Section 28c, paragraph 114 of the Pirate Code*) and so your course of action next may is clear. Clear your yardarm and vote for the party that wants freedom for pirates.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Yebbut the Tories are UKIP for pussies. Still, I have five months to decideTheScreamingEagles said:
Remember Sunil means blue.Sunil_Prasannan said:Dilemma - should I vote Tory to help prevent Lab winning?
Or should I simply consider that the Tories are UKIP for pussies?
As I said it's quite a dilemma
Vote UKIP and you get Ed.
Belike etc.
*It is one of those paragraphs marked "Not a guideline"0 -
mere titillation..Sunil_Prasannan said:
I remember a comedy line some years back where Mary Whitehouse allegedly turned her radio off in disgust and complained about the phrase "tits like coconuts." The executive wrote back to say that if she'd kept listening, she would have heard "tits like coconuts, and sparrows like breadcrumbs"0 -
Salmond said the SNP would be looking to squeeze concessions from a minority Tory government in the event that they were forced to turn to the SNP on an issue-by-issue basis. In such a scenario, the SNP would be looking for an agreement from David Cameron that Scotland would remain in the EU if it voted to do so in a referendum in which the rest of the UK opted to leave.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/06/alex-salmond-run-seat-general-election-2015
Hmm....this seems somewhat at odds with Sturgeon's declaration that they would not let the Tories be the government, no matter what.0 -
George Osborne has placed himself on a collision course with the Lib Dems - warning that they, as well as Labour, would trigger "economic chaos" in Britain.
The Chancellor has also accused Nick Clegg's party of wanting to place "hefty income rises" on families.
The intervention could tip the Coalition into open civil war after a week in which the Lib Dem leader failed to turn up to watch Mr Osborne deliver his Autumn Statement, and a senior colleague criticised the scale of cuts that were unveiled.
http://news.sky.com/story/1387187/osborne-lib-dems-would-cause-economic-chaos0 -
Just to stoke the fires a little it should be pointed out that public breast feeding is not actually a necessity
When my son was on the milk (breast fed) if we wanted to go somewhere like a restaurant my other half would prepare a couple of bottles before hand via a breast pump. As far as I am aware this has no effect on the nutritional aspects of the milk in anyway.
From my experience most breast feeding women were more than happy to use a pump if it meant they could get to sleep through the night occasionally and let hubby do the 4am feeding duty0 -
Surely, Section 28 was about not promoting a pirate lifestyle?HurstLlama said:
Avast, Cap'n Doc. What need is there for time to decide? You are a pirate, for goodness sake, not some lace-panty wearer from King Charles Street! Pirates have a duty to do the right thing for themselves (Section 28c, paragraph 114 of the Pirate Code*) and so your course of action next may is clear. Clear your yardarm and vote for the party that wants freedom for pirates.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Yebbut the Tories are UKIP for pussies. Still, I have five months to decideTheScreamingEagles said:
Remember Sunil means blue.Sunil_Prasannan said:Dilemma - should I vote Tory to help prevent Lab winning?
Or should I simply consider that the Tories are UKIP for pussies?
As I said it's quite a dilemma
Vote UKIP and you get Ed.
Belike etc.
*It is one of those paragraphs marked "Not a guideline"
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/06/alex-salmond-run-seat-general-election-2015Danny565 said:Salmond said the SNP would be looking to squeeze concessions from a minority Tory government in the event that they were forced to turn to the SNP on an issue-by-issue basis. In such a scenario, the SNP would be looking for an agreement from David Cameron that Scotland would remain in the EU if it voted to do so in a referendum in which the rest of the UK opted to leave.
Hmm....this seems somewhat at odds with Sturgeon's declaration that they would not let the Tories be the government, no matter what.
How on earth could part of one country be in the EU and another part of the same country be outside the EU?
It's totally inconceivable that could happen - which renders the statement completely meaningless.0 -
Exactly. I suspect that the true motivation for public breast feeding is exhibitionism.ZenPagan said:Just to stoke the fires a little it should be pointed out that public breast feeding is not actually a necessity
When my son was on the milk (breast fed) if we wanted to go somewhere like a restaurant my other half would prepare a couple of bottles before hand via a breast pump. As far as I am aware this has no effect on the nutritional aspects of the milk in anyway.
From my experience most breast feeding women were more than happy to use a pump if it meant they could get to sleep through the night occasionally and let hubby do the 4am feeding duty0 -
Funny Sub-sample alert
The Conservatives have pulled ahead of Labour in the eyes of voters in Scotland, according to an exclusive poll for The Telegraph.
The ICM Wisdom Index survey asks voters to predict how each party will fare at the next general election. It found voters in Scotland thought the Tories were on course to win 30 per cent of the vote nationally, one point ahead of Labour.
The result reverses the long-term trend for Labour to be in the lead north of the border and was seen as fresh evidence of the implosion of the party’s traditional support base in Scotland.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11277630/Wisdom-Index-poll-Tories-are-ahead-say-Scottish-voters.html0 -
I think I may already have told the story of me doing the 4.00 am feed, getting the expressed milk out of the freezer and trying to defrost it in the microwave without removing the cap. Big explosion, screaming child, expressed milk absolutely everywhere and me off that duty from thereon.ZenPagan said:Just to stoke the fires a little it should be pointed out that public breast feeding is not actually a necessity
When my son was on the milk (breast fed) if we wanted to go somewhere like a restaurant my other half would prepare a couple of bottles before hand via a breast pump. As far as I am aware this has no effect on the nutritional aspects of the milk in anyway.
From my experience most breast feeding women were more than happy to use a pump if it meant they could get to sleep through the night occasionally and let hubby do the 4am feeding duty
Good times.0 -
Yes Monica, what a trumpetMonikerDiCanio said:
Exactly. I suspect that the true motivation for public breast feeding is exhibitionism.ZenPagan said:Just to stoke the fires a little it should be pointed out that public breast feeding is not actually a necessity
When my son was on the milk (breast fed) if we wanted to go somewhere like a restaurant my other half would prepare a couple of bottles before hand via a breast pump. As far as I am aware this has no effect on the nutritional aspects of the milk in anyway.
From my experience most breast feeding women were more than happy to use a pump if it meant they could get to sleep through the night occasionally and let hubby do the 4am feeding duty0 -
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/06/alex-salmond-run-seat-general-election-2015Danny565 said:Salmond said the SNP would be looking to squeeze concessions from a minority Tory government in the event that they were forced to turn to the SNP on an issue-by-issue basis. In such a scenario, the SNP would be looking for an agreement from David Cameron that Scotland would remain in the EU if it voted to do so in a referendum in which the rest of the UK opted to leave.
Hmm....this seems somewhat at odds with Sturgeon's declaration that they would not let the Tories be the government, no matter what.
No, she said they would never forum a coalition with the Tories.0 -
For goodness sake, we are not building a new base. Look at the details. We are building some barracks, a few offices and a warehouse or two, along with some quay development. The capital cost is being carried by Bahrain.Luckyguy1983 said:
No, they aren't, and they're very costly to build, maintain and man. How is it common sense for us to build a new military base anywhere with the present state of the public finances? My realism about the danger posed by America's attempt to militarily forestall its natural decline is sensible, borne out by facts, and fits with my over all world view. Your soft spot for Uncle Sam is wholly inconsistent with yours.Socrates said:
I don't think the Americans are short of military bases in the Middle East. Your anti-Americanism is clouding your brain from common sense again.Luckyguy1983 said:
Why? Because the Americans want a base there and don't want to pay for it. What money? Where does any of it come from?Speedy said:
I though that Britain withdrew from east of suez because of lack of money, these days there is even a bigger lack of money and the price of oil has dropped almost 50%, so why build a base and with what money?Paul_Mid_Beds said:Changing the subject. Britain are going to build a permanent naval base in Bahrain
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/dec/06/britain-first-middle-eastern-military-base-bahrain
The UK has being running a permanent naval presence in the gulf for a couple of decades, including four mine counter measure vessels that are permanently based there. The new buildings just bring into line the shore based facilities with the operational reality.
This has nothing to do with the Septics, who already have their own massive facilities in Bahrain.0 -
I would have to see the arguments for building a new military base, hear the counter-arguments, and then make up my mind. If all you had was realism about American over-extension posing a danger, I would wholly agree with you. But you go beyond that: your anti-Americanism causes you to believe all sorts of silly things, with your belief that the British Empire was less oppressive than US dominance post-45, and your belief they murdered thousands of their own citizens on 9/11 the most obvious.Luckyguy1983 said:
No, they aren't, and they're very costly to build, maintain and man. How is it common sense for us to build a new military base anywhere with the present state of the public finances? My realism about the danger posed by America's attempt to militarily forestall its natural decline is sensible, borne out by facts, and fits with my over all world view. Your soft spot for Uncle Sam is wholly inconsistent with yours.Socrates said:
I don't think the Americans are short of military bases in the Middle East. Your anti-Americanism is clouding your brain from common sense again.Luckyguy1983 said:
Why? Because the Americans want a base there and don't want to pay for it. What money? Where does any of it come from?Speedy said:
I though that Britain withdrew from east of suez because of lack of money, these days there is even a bigger lack of money and the price of oil has dropped almost 50%, so why build a base and with what money?Paul_Mid_Beds said:Changing the subject. Britain are going to build a permanent naval base in Bahrain
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/dec/06/britain-first-middle-eastern-military-base-bahrain
My support for the United States is entirely consistent with my world view. I am a classical liberal. The USA has done more for expanding liberal rights, democracy, free trade and independent judiciaries than any other nation that has ever existed. Just look at what happened to West Germany versus East Germany. South Korea versus North Korea. Taiwan versus mainland China. Poland versus Belarus. Where the British Empire made conquests and annexed the territory, the US does its best to set them up a free, democratic nations. Yes, there are times when this fails, but the overall trend is very clear.0 -
It means nothing of the kind. It is perfectly possible for a Labour voter who would still vote Labour to think the Tories would win nationally. 30 -29 is only slightly different from the nationwide figure of 31-31.TheScreamingEagles said:Funny Sub-sample alert
The Conservatives have pulled ahead of Labour in the eyes of voters in Scotland, according to an exclusive poll for The Telegraph.
The ICM Wisdom Index survey asks voters to predict how each party will fare at the next general election. It found voters in Scotland thought the Tories were on course to win 30 per cent of the vote nationally, one point ahead of Labour.
The result reverses the long-term trend for Labour to be in the lead north of the border and was seen as fresh evidence of the implosion of the party’s traditional support base in Scotland.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11277630/Wisdom-Index-poll-Tories-are-ahead-say-Scottish-voters.html
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Different code, Mr. Mark. Mind you had THAT Section 28 promoted a pirate lifestyle it would probably have caused less fuss.MarqueeMark said:
Surely, Section 28 was about not promoting a pirate lifestyle?HurstLlama said:
Avast, Cap'n Doc. What need is there for time to decide? You are a pirate, for goodness sake, not some lace-panty wearer from King Charles Street! Pirates have a duty to do the right thing for themselves (Section 28c, paragraph 114 of the Pirate Code*) and so your course of action next may is clear. Clear your yardarm and vote for the party that wants freedom for pirates.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Yebbut the Tories are UKIP for pussies. Still, I have five months to decideTheScreamingEagles said:
Remember Sunil means blue.Sunil_Prasannan said:Dilemma - should I vote Tory to help prevent Lab winning?
Or should I simply consider that the Tories are UKIP for pussies?
As I said it's quite a dilemma
Vote UKIP and you get Ed.
Belike etc.
*It is one of those paragraphs marked "Not a guideline"0 -
Yeah, it's a subsample of the Wisdom Index. (rolls eyes) Can we talk about AV?TheScreamingEagles said:Funny Sub-sample alert
The Conservatives have pulled ahead of Labour in the eyes of voters in Scotland, according to an exclusive poll for The Telegraph.
The ICM Wisdom Index survey...
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No, she said they would never forum a coalition with the Tories.Alistair said:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/06/alex-salmond-run-seat-general-election-2015Danny565 said:Salmond said the SNP would be looking to squeeze concessions from a minority Tory government in the event that they were forced to turn to the SNP on an issue-by-issue basis. In such a scenario, the SNP would be looking for an agreement from David Cameron that Scotland would remain in the EU if it voted to do so in a referendum in which the rest of the UK opted to leave.
Hmm....this seems somewhat at odds with Sturgeon's declaration that they would not let the Tories be the government, no matter what.
Well, she said they'd "never put the Tories into government". Open to interpretation what exactly that means, admittedly, but I would say some kind of loose confidence-and-supply arrangement that Salmond suggests would constitute putting them in (because, otherwise, the Tories might not have the numbers to form a government at all).0 -
How on earth could part of one country be in the EU and another part of the same country be outside the EU?MikeL said:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/06/alex-salmond-run-seat-general-election-2015Danny565 said:Salmond said the SNP would be looking to squeeze concessions from a minority Tory government in the event that they were forced to turn to the SNP on an issue-by-issue basis. In such a scenario, the SNP would be looking for an agreement from David Cameron that Scotland would remain in the EU if it voted to do so in a referendum in which the rest of the UK opted to leave.
Hmm....this seems somewhat at odds with Sturgeon's declaration that they would not let the Tories be the government, no matter what.
It's totally inconceivable that could happen - which renders the statement completely meaningless.
Greenland is part of Denmark. Greenland is not in the EU whereas mainland Denmark is. Ditto the Faroes.0 -
We are not building a base. Bahrain are building it. But then your ignorance is matched by your prejudice. Where is America's natural decline? Relative to what?Luckyguy1983 said:
No, they aren't, and they're very costly to build, maintain and man. How is it common sense for us to build a new military base anywhere with the present state of the public finances? My realism about the danger posed by America's attempt to militarily forestall its natural decline is sensible, borne out by facts, and fits with my over all world view. Your soft spot for Uncle Sam is wholly inconsistent with yours.Socrates said:
I don't think the Americans are short of military bases in the Middle East. Your anti-Americanism is clouding your brain from common sense again.Luckyguy1983 said:
Why? Because the Americans want a base there and don't want to pay for it. What money? Where does any of it come from?Speedy said:
I though that Britain withdrew from east of suez because of lack of money, these days there is even a bigger lack of money and the price of oil has dropped almost 50%, so why build a base and with what money?Paul_Mid_Beds said:Changing the subject. Britain are going to build a permanent naval base in Bahrain
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/dec/06/britain-first-middle-eastern-military-base-bahrain
China?
http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2014-10/28/content_18811572.htm
http://www.scmp.com/comment/article/1535623/china-must-see-past-its-own-hype-america-decline?page=all
What evidence is there for military attempts to arrest this 'decline'. Military expenditure is hardly helping it economically. Its embarking on military cuts.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/02/24/pentagons-massive-budget-cuts-would-redefine-the-us-military
Fracking is a different matter.0 -
I should point out I am neither pro or anti public breast feeding. Like many things in life however it comes down to consideration for others. Just because I can do something doesn't mean I should.
As an example we would never have dreamed of taking my son to the cinema when he was a baby because if he started crying it would spoil the film for others. Now it was quite within our rights to do so but our feeling was our rights didn't trump others rights to watch and listen to a film.
To my mind its the same with breast feeding, consider where you are going if you feel it would perturb others either use a breast pump or don't go. If you feel it won't be an issue go right ahead.
We are all too much aware of our rights these days without considering the responsibilities that go with it. One of those responsibilities is ensuring our behaviour doesn't unnecessarily impact others when we have other options.
A classic example of this is I like music, around 10pm in the evening though I switch from speakers to headphones to ensure that my neighbours are not inconvenienced by it. Not that they have ever mentioned loud music to me0 -
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Economy anecdote:
Yesterday I announced the general pay rise for my company for the next year, 3.1%. Not only not a murmur against, but judging by the party which followed, met with much approval. Quite a few thanked me personally.
If employees are given a decent pay increase and good working conditions, they always respond accordingly as I have found over many years.0 -
No Alistair,Alistair said:
I don't think anyone is forgetting that, given that it is mentioned every time the SNP are brought up. But nor do I think anyone is so stupid as to blindly assume a NO vote is an anti-SNP vote and a YES vote is a pro-SNP vote.Edin_Rokz said:
Quite! There are a lot of people forgetting that a lot of supposedly secure SNP seats actually voted NO! And while Bruce may be retiring, I suspect there will be a lot of the electorate who would vote tactically to make sure Eck didn't get in.fitalass said:Why do you assume that Gordon was a guaranteed SNP gain no matter who ran?
Danny565 said:
Rather safe for him, that's a guaranteed SNP gain no matter who runs. I thought he might've tried to use his personal vote to get West Aberdeenshire.FrancisUrquhart said:Worst kept secret in Scottish Politics, he isn't really going away...
Former SNP leader Alex Salmond is to stand for a seat at Westminster at next May's General Election, the BBC understands.
He will contest the Gordon seat held by retiring Lib Dem MP Sir Malcolm Bruce.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-30364575
And even if that was the case that YES=SNP then 'some people' would be forgetting that these areas still voted Yes 40%+ which would be a comfortable win for a SNP candidate barring never seen before levels of tactical voting.
Most of the SNP vote in the NE Scotland was due to Salmond successfully persuading the normal right wing conservative voters there that "his" party was more respectable than not voting for Labour or LibDems, and that they wouldn't be seen to be voting for the "hated" Tories. But the electorate didn't vote for Independence, that was one step too far.
Sturgeon is a natural Weegie left winger and is trying to gain support in the West of Scotland in the natural Labour heartlands through "Her" leftie policies.
Ne'er the two will meet.
It is debatable whether the NE electorate will continue to vote SNP because Salmond is now seen to be a loser, or their dislike for the present tory leadership is greater. UKIP there are dead eider. (See BBC Bird of the day recordings)0 -
Thanks to the coalition. Under Labour you'd be laying people off or even closed.surbiton said:Economy anecdote:
Yesterday I announced the general pay rise for my company for the next year, 3.1%. Not only not a murmur against, but judging by the party which followed, met with much approval. Quite a few thanked me personally.
If employees are given a decent pay increase and good working conditions, they always respond accordingly as I have found over many years.
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In all likelihood the US will have relative decline from the rest of the world. But this will be not from the US doing badly. It will be the rest of the world catching up, based on adapting the US's "Washington Consensus" of property rights and free trade. The two big things that could prevent this development are (1) China getting stuck in a middle income trap because they refuse to democratise and (2) explosive economic growth coming from a technology boom, which would almost certainly be driven by the United States (and California specifically).Flightpath said:
We are not building a base. Bahrain are building it. But then your ignorance is matched by your prejudice. Where is America's natural decline? Relative to what?Luckyguy1983 said:
No, they aren't, and they're very costly to build, maintain and man. How is it common sense for us to build a new military base anywhere with the present state of the public finances? My realism about the danger posed by America's attempt to militarily forestall its natural decline is sensible, borne out by facts, and fits with my over all world view. Your soft spot for Uncle Sam is wholly inconsistent with yours.Socrates said:
I don't think the Americans are short of military bases in the Middle East. Your anti-Americanism is clouding your brain from common sense again.Luckyguy1983 said:
Why? Because the Americans want a base there and don't want to pay for it. What money? Where does any of it come from?Speedy said:
I though that Britain withdrew from east of suez because of lack of money, these days there is even a bigger lack of money and the price of oil has dropped almost 50%, so why build a base and with what money?Paul_Mid_Beds said:Changing the subject. Britain are going to build a permanent naval base in Bahrain
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/dec/06/britain-first-middle-eastern-military-base-bahrain
China?
http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2014-10/28/content_18811572.htm
http://www.scmp.com/comment/article/1535623/china-must-see-past-its-own-hype-america-decline?page=all
What evidence is there for military attempts to arrest this 'decline'. Military expenditure is hardly helping it economically. Its embarking on military cuts.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/02/24/pentagons-massive-budget-cuts-would-redefine-the-us-military
Fracking is a different matter.0 -
Spiffing wheeze, Mr. L. I did similar just after we were married when she asked me to mow the front lawn whilst she went out. I'd never mown a lawn before and unintentionally buggered it up a treat, and she brought some of her friends round that very afternoon. That was the last time I have ever had to do any gardening.DavidL said:
I think I may already have told the story of me doing the 4.00 am feed, getting the expressed milk out of the freezer and trying to defrost it in the microwave without removing the cap. Big explosion, screaming child, expressed milk absolutely everywhere and me off that duty from thereon.ZenPagan said:Just to stoke the fires a little it should be pointed out that public breast feeding is not actually a necessity
When my son was on the milk (breast fed) if we wanted to go somewhere like a restaurant my other half would prepare a couple of bottles before hand via a breast pump. As far as I am aware this has no effect on the nutritional aspects of the milk in anyway.
From my experience most breast feeding women were more than happy to use a pump if it meant they could get to sleep through the night occasionally and let hubby do the 4am feeding duty
Good times.
Thinking about it, when we came back from honeymoon she did our first lot of ironing and I raised a very mild objection, not a complaint more just pointing out a fault in the nicest possible way, about the fact she had "tram-lined" the creases in the sleeves of one of my work shirts, which were also not properly starched. Thirty-odd years later I am still doing all the ironing.0 -
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Can't argue with that.surbiton said:Economy anecdote:
Yesterday I announced the general pay rise for my company for the next year, 3.1%. Not only not a murmur against, but judging by the party which followed, met with much approval. Quite a few thanked me personally.
If employees are given a decent pay increase and good working conditions, they always respond accordingly as I have found over many years.
Since 2008 my staff have had between 2.5 and 3.5 every year bar one. As much as is sensibly affordable to keep jobs secure and a modest profit is the target.0 -
I actually quite enjoyed doing the 4am duty it was one of the few times I got my son all to myself, a valuable bonding timeHurstLlama said:
Spiffing wheeze, Mr. L. I did similar just after we were married when she asked me to mow the front lawn whilst she went out. I'd never mown a lawn before and unintentionally buggered it up a treat, and she brought some of her friends round that very afternoon. That was the last time I have ever had to do any gardening.DavidL said:
I think I may already have told the story of me doing the 4.00 am feed, getting the expressed milk out of the freezer and trying to defrost it in the microwave without removing the cap. Big explosion, screaming child, expressed milk absolutely everywhere and me off that duty from thereon.ZenPagan said:Just to stoke the fires a little it should be pointed out that public breast feeding is not actually a necessity
When my son was on the milk (breast fed) if we wanted to go somewhere like a restaurant my other half would prepare a couple of bottles before hand via a breast pump. As far as I am aware this has no effect on the nutritional aspects of the milk in anyway.
From my experience most breast feeding women were more than happy to use a pump if it meant they could get to sleep through the night occasionally and let hubby do the 4am feeding duty
Good times.
Thinking about it, when we came back from honeymoon she did our first lot of ironing and I raised a very mild objection, not a complaint more just pointing out a fault in the nicest possible way, about the fact she had "tram-lined" the creases in the sleeves of one of my work shirts, which were also not properly starched. Thirty-odd years later I am still doing all the ironing.0 -
***** Betting Post *****
If Nicola Sturgeon's honeymoon period is destined to be as short as some here are suggesting, then one way of profiting as a result would be to take Paddy Power's odds of 5/6 that the SNP will win fewer than 26.5 seats at the Westminster GE in May.
Ladbrokes offer the same odds on them winning < 25.5 seats and Betfair Sportsbook on their tally being < 24.5 seats.
It's incredible to think that just 4 short months ago this two way bet on the SNP was available from Laddies at +/- 7.5 seats.
DYOR.0 -
I'm just reading a Sunday Times story about Jeremy Thorpe, and the cover-up, Is by a former Panorama producer, who is doing a radio show on it on Sunday.MarqueeMark said:
Thorpe’s predilection for sex with young men, “rough trade” as it was known, had been known in security circles since long before the 1967 reform that decriminalised homosexual acts.
It first came to official notice after he was elected MP for North Devon in 1959. On a visit to New York, he picked up a rent boy in Times Square. The prostitute reported the encounter to the police who informed the FBI, which in turn told MI5 through its liaison officer at the American embassy in London.
Tom Mangold was senior reporter on BBC TV’s Panorama until 2003. His Jeremy Thorpe: The Silent Conspiracy will be broadcast on BBC Radio 4 at 5pm today0 -
Ironing is very relaxing though. Probably the least unpleasant of all housework tasks.HurstLlama said:
Thinking about it, when we came back from honeymoon she did our first lot of ironing and I raised a very mild objection, not a complaint more just pointing out a fault in the nicest possible way, about the fact she had "tram-lined" the creases in the sleeves of one of my work shirts, which were also not properly starched. Thirty-odd years later I am still doing all the ironing.
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Hmm... that has me thinking. My better half had a go at cutting the grass once, essentially using the lawnmower as a hoover. I have been cutting the grass ever since.HurstLlama said:
Spiffing wheeze, Mr. L. I did similar just after we were married when she asked me to mow the front lawn whilst she went out. I'd never mown a lawn before and unintentionally buggered it up a treat, and she brought some of her friends round that very afternoon. That was the last time I have ever had to do any gardening.DavidL said:
I think I may already have told the story of me doing the 4.00 am feed, getting the expressed milk out of the freezer and trying to defrost it in the microwave without removing the cap. Big explosion, screaming child, expressed milk absolutely everywhere and me off that duty from thereon.ZenPagan said:Just to stoke the fires a little it should be pointed out that public breast feeding is not actually a necessity
When my son was on the milk (breast fed) if we wanted to go somewhere like a restaurant my other half would prepare a couple of bottles before hand via a breast pump. As far as I am aware this has no effect on the nutritional aspects of the milk in anyway.
From my experience most breast feeding women were more than happy to use a pump if it meant they could get to sleep through the night occasionally and let hubby do the 4am feeding duty
Good times.
Thinking about it, when we came back from honeymoon she did our first lot of ironing and I raised a very mild objection, not a complaint more just pointing out a fault in the nicest possible way, about the fact she had "tram-lined" the creases in the sleeves of one of my work shirts, which were also not properly starched. Thirty-odd years later I am still doing all the ironing.
For the baby I think I was still asleep and it wasn't deliberate (honest).0 -
Blimey, is Boobgate STILL in the news? Even by the impressive standards of faux outrage which the media have become expert at, it's a humdinger of a nonsense story.
For the record: Claridges is a jolly good hotel to meet up for a coffee or tea for an informal business meeting in the most delightful surroundings. It's not cheap, but it's incredibly good value compared with hiring a meeting room for an hour or two.0 -
From the Sunday Times story by the former BBC chap
They did not hear from Meighan, who knew the full truth but told me that gun charges against him were dropped in return for his silence. Nor did they know about the MI5/police file on Thorpe, which never left the Scotland Yard safe.
On the day of the not-guilty verdicts, while Thorpe celebrated with his family and friends, a BBC dispatch rider arrived at my home bearing a letter from the head of BBC news. It ordered me to destroy every copy of my untransmitted film about the background to the case immediately.0 -
I used to get the early hours post-feed but I am not going back to sleep duties. That was when I introduced my son to Mozart, Doris Day, Gilbert and Sullivan, the Economist, P.G.Woodhouse and the Telegraph obituary column.ZenPagan said:
I actually quite enjoyed doing the 4am duty it was one of the few times I got my son all to myself, a valuable bonding timeHurstLlama said:
Spiffing wheeze, Mr. L. I did similar just after we were married when she asked me to mow the front lawn whilst she went out. I'd never mown a lawn before and unintentionally buggered it up a treat, and she brought some of her friends round that very afternoon. That was the last time I have ever had to do any gardening.DavidL said:
I think I may already have told the story of me doing the 4.00 am feed, getting the expressed milk out of the freezer and trying to defrost it in the microwave without removing the cap. Big explosion, screaming child, expressed milk absolutely everywhere and me off that duty from thereon.ZenPagan said:Just to stoke the fires a little it should be pointed out that public breast feeding is not actually a necessity
When my son was on the milk (breast fed) if we wanted to go somewhere like a restaurant my other half would prepare a couple of bottles before hand via a breast pump. As far as I am aware this has no effect on the nutritional aspects of the milk in anyway.
From my experience most breast feeding women were more than happy to use a pump if it meant they could get to sleep through the night occasionally and let hubby do the 4am feeding duty
Good times.
Thinking about it, when we came back from honeymoon she did our first lot of ironing and I raised a very mild objection, not a complaint more just pointing out a fault in the nicest possible way, about the fact she had "tram-lined" the creases in the sleeves of one of my work shirts, which were also not properly starched. Thirty-odd years later I am still doing all the ironing.0 -
Quite frankly ladies breastfeeding are barely noticeable its almost impossible to be anything other than discrete, and I imagine the differing affects of hormones might determine the 'serviette' covering choices. You come across it these days, not least if you are having a mid morning cup of coffee (its the absurd Farage who is out of touch) and, well big deal.MarkHopkins said:
I don't think it is to prevent offence, just makes it less awkward.Tim_B said:Whenever I've seen women breastfeeding in public, they tend to sit in a corner unobtrusively, and drape a blanket over the appropriate shoulder to prevent offence being given.
Imagine: You're sitting in a restaurant, chatting away, looking around, and suddenly realise you are looking at a lady with a breast partially exposed. You look for a moment before understanding and turning away.
It's a bit awkward, but that's all.
The lady should be as discreet as reasonable, and the guy should not make a fuss. Then we would all be happy.
*sighs*
Farage once again demonstrates the strange goings on inside his head. His apologists show what strange people they are and the movement to put us back into 1950 moves on apace.
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We all like boobs.Richard_Nabavi said:Blimey, is Boobgate STILL in the news? Even by the impressive standards of faux outrage which the media have become expert at, it's a humdinger of a nonsense story.
For the record: Claridges is a jolly good hotel to meet up for a coffee or tea for an informal business meeting in the most delightful surroundings. It's not cheap, but it's incredibly good value compared with hiring a meeting room for an hour or two.
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How on earth could part of one country be in the EU and another part of the same country be outside the EU?MikeL said:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/06/alex-salmond-run-seat-general-election-2015Danny565 said:Salmond said the SNP would be looking to squeeze concessions from a minority Tory government in the event that they were forced to turn to the SNP on an issue-by-issue basis. In such a scenario, the SNP would be looking for an agreement from David Cameron that Scotland would remain in the EU if it voted to do so in a referendum in which the rest of the UK opted to leave.
Hmm....this seems somewhat at odds with Sturgeon's declaration that they would not let the Tories be the government, no matter what.
It's totally inconceivable that could happen - which renders the statement completely meaningless.
Actually that's one of the scenarios our local politicians are seriously considering for Gib in the event of Brexit. I was at a meeting of the Gibraltar Social Democrat party last week where that outcome was being openly suggested as the preferred result.0
