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Daily Express reporting on its front page that UKIP in SECOND place in new poll. No details of the pollster. pic.twitter.com/rOQHv6Goeq

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,777
    edited November 2014
    It says UKIP ahead of Labour.

    Interesting, would feed the Ed is crap meme

    But I'd exercise caution, it could be a voodoo poll.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Would be mildly amusing.

    Could trouble a few Labourites in the deepest, darkest recesses of their souls (despite their brains agreeing with TSE).

    But is it too late to do anything. Perhaps they could coronate St. Vince as their new leader? *innocent face*
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    More chance of Liverpool getting relegated...
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    2nd place?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited November 2014
    I've seen the following figures on Twitter: Con 38%, UKIP 28%, Lab 25%. But they don't look believable to me, because the combined Con and UKIP share is so high.

    https://twitter.com/search?q=ukip 28%&src=typd
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Given the TV media latch on to every ComRes and Survation poll regardless of how inaccurate they prove to be on a regular basis, I'm surprised its not being blasted all over the twittersphere.
  • TapestryTapestry Posts: 153
    edited November 2014
    Farage is getting frightened by his own success, asking Tory MPs not to defect until after Christmas. Why's that? If six more want to jump let them jump now. Politics is a game of momentum, and if the momentum's running with you, go with it. Don't try applying the brakes. It'll spoil the outcome. What's his problem? UKIP could hold the balance of power before the election, let alone after it.

    http://tapnewswire.com/2014/11/the-real-split-in-the-british-vote-is-peeping-out-here-and-there-ukip-might-be-far-further-ahead-than-polls-are-saying/
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,931
    edited November 2014
    Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw who moved to Haiti?

    He became a Voodoo Pole!

    (I thank you!)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,777
    Balls it is a voodoo poll, of Sun readers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3HUSjQIAAAKfji.jpg

  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,894
    edited November 2014
    It'd be pretty much impossible for UKIP to come ahead of Labour in a poll considering where UKIP votes come from. Their best chance of a second would be coming above the Tories in a Survation.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,274
    Bruce Anderson in the Daily Telegraph ' have always believed that the gravest threat to the Union will come from England, not Scotland. Ultimately, my fellow Scots will not vote to separate themselves from England’s cheque-book. The English may think differently. They are the politest race on earth. You stand on an Englishman’s foot; he will apologise. A second time, a second apology. Only on the third occasion will he punch you on the nose. The Scots are now on about two and a half.

    The average Englishman drew two conclusions from the referendum campaign. First, that the Scots are obsessed by non-existent grievances. Second, that they do not seem to like the English. At a recent international soccer match in Switzerland, the English fans yelled “---- off, Scotland!”. They would not have done that three months earlier. Having started, they may not stop in a hurry. They will also be ready to insist on fairness.

    Thirty-seven years ago, the West Lothian question was posed by Tam Dalyell and christened by Enoch Powell. Why should Scottish MPs be able to move on English matters when English MPs have no such rights in Scotland? No one has found a solution. Lord Chancellor Derry Irvine came closest: “The best answer to the West Lothian question is to stop asking it.” That was an admirable essay in defiance, brutality and cynicism. It was not an answer. Now, the Tories have come up with one: Evel – English votes for English laws. Ed Miliband will have to oppose it. Without his Scottish MPs – assuming that the Nats do not unseat them all – he could not form a government. So he will have to set his face against fairness. In England, that could be disastrous. '


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11246201/The-clock-is-ticking-after-Rochester-but-the-Tories-can-still-win-the-day.html
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,931
    Still waiting for the Sun's YouGov tables!!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,777
    I guess Mike's going to be awarding the PB polling dunce award to the Express.

    http://politicalbetting.s3.amazonaws.com/polldunce.jpg
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,274
    A Sun poll today had Labour third, but that was only with Sun readers, if this is only of Express readers would not be scientific
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Balls it is a voodoo poll, of Sun readers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3HUSjQIAAAKfji.jpg

    Even I can see it's a voodoo poll. Unless it's not.
    I'll get me coat! Good Night.
  • The_Last_Boy_ScoutThe_Last_Boy_Scout Posts: 174
    Why would the Express promote a poll of Sun readers? Surely it's a different poll (voodoo or otherwise)?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,777
    A proper poll with UKIP second/Labour in third would have been leaked to some, and led to some movement on the betting markets this afternoon.

    As there has been none....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,274
    Farage 'I won't go on forever as leader' and will step down in 2020
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage/11247616/Nigel-Farage-I-wont-go-on-for-ever-as-leader.html
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,384
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Balls it is a voodoo poll, of Sun readers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3HUSjQIAAAKfji.jpg

    I would really like to meet the Sun reader who thinks Natalie Bennett would make the best PM. They must have some seriously unusual thought patterns.
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Artist said:

    It'd be pretty much impossible for UKIP to come ahead of Labour in a poll considering where UKIP votes come from. Their best chance of a second would be coming above the Tories in a Survation.

    It specifically says on Express front page that UKIP pulls ahead of LABOUR rivals!! That means Tories in 1st place and Labour in 3rd. Time for us to relaunch the Save Ed campaign.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,789
    The_Last_Boy_Scout said:

    Why would the Express promote a poll of Sun readers? Surely it's a different poll (voodoo or otherwise)?

    I'd think that if it had been their own poll it'd be on page 1; as it's the Sun, they'll still give it a showing because they like the data, but the page 5 report will say in small print "a poll of readers in a national newspaper".

  • Paul_Mid_BedsPaul_Mid_Beds Posts: 1,409
    MikeK said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Balls it is a voodoo poll, of Sun readers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3HUSjQIAAAKfji.jpg

    Even I can see it's a voodoo poll. Unless it's not.
    I'll get me coat! Good Night.
    Might as well Baxter it

    Tory Majority 62

    C 356
    L 258
    UKIP 50
    Lib 0

    Those seat numbers do show how UKIP have the ability to inflict really serious damage on Labour with not a massive difference in voting intentions from the other polls

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,274
    Hazel Blears - In 1979 4% of MPs had been special advisers, in 2010 it was 24%
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11247609/Emily-Thornberry-row-MPs-like-Ed-Miliband-are-out-of-touch-says-Hazel-Blears.html
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    The Labour leader is facing mounting criticism over his sacking of shadow minister Emily Thornberry over her ‘snobby’ tweet of a family home draped in England flags last week.

    Former welfare minister Frank Field said the incident was ‘the most serious thing that has happened’ to Labour - ‘because it gives vent to what everybody’s guts are telling them about us’.

    Labour shadow cabinet minister Rachel Reeves added that the gaffe had harmed Labour's chances of winning the next election.

    She said: 'I was angry when I saw it, because I am working hard, as are other Labour MPs and activists around the country, trying to get a Labour government back in six months time and she set that process back.'

    It came after Mr Field accused the Labour leader of surrounding himself with a clique of wealthy out-of-touch aides and MPs who did not understand ordinary workers.

    He said: ‘It’s the north London set we’ve got to control. They are a Berlin Wall trying to prevent us reaching out to our voters and like the Berlin Wall they’ve got to be demolished.'

    Mr Field added: ‘Ed’s trying to move us on immigration and welfare and with one blast of a tweet she wrecks that and puts us back to square one. The real problem we have is that there’s a whole group of them.’

    His remarks came as fellow Labour MP David Lammy - who grew up on a council estate close to Tottenham's infamous Broadwater Farm – said the party had ‘lost touch’ with ordinary voters.

    He said: ‘By and large, modern Labour politicians come from liberal, professional backgrounds.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2846174/
  • litinventionlitinvention Posts: 5
    PLEASE don't take anything the Daily Express splashes with seriously. Presumably as with their weather 'forecasts' they just pay a pretend polling company to deliver news stories to order
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    LOL
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw who moved to Haiti?

    He became a Voodoo Pole!

    (I thank you!)

  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,795
    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Balls it is a voodoo poll, of Sun readers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3HUSjQIAAAKfji.jpg

    I would really like to meet the Sun reader who thinks Natalie Bennett would make the best PM. They must have some seriously unusual thought patterns.
    In the PB Rochester by-Election Prediction contest, somebody opted for an LD win by about 6%.

    Attempts to flush him/her our has so far proved unsuccessful.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,777
    Well it was fun while it lasted.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,795
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw who moved to Haiti?

    He became a Voodoo Pole!

    (I thank you!)

    Just how much have you had to drink, Sunil? ;-)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,384
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Balls it is a voodoo poll, of Sun readers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3HUSjQIAAAKfji.jpg

    I would really like to meet the Sun reader who thinks Natalie Bennett would make the best PM. They must have some seriously unusual thought patterns.
    In the PB Rochester by-Election Prediction contest, somebody opted for an LD win by about 6%.

    Attempts to flush him/her our has so far proved unsuccessful.
    Mark Senior?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,795
    DavidL said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Balls it is a voodoo poll, of Sun readers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3HUSjQIAAAKfji.jpg

    I would really like to meet the Sun reader who thinks Natalie Bennett would make the best PM. They must have some seriously unusual thought patterns.
    In the PB Rochester by-Election Prediction contest, somebody opted for an LD win by about 6%.

    Attempts to flush him/her our has so far proved unsuccessful.
    Mark Senior?
    He'd be number one suspect, for sure.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,894
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well it was fun while it lasted.

    Patience....it will come to pass in due course.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Balls it is a voodoo poll, of Sun readers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3HUSjQIAAAKfji.jpg

    Not necessarily a voodoo poll, surely, especially if really YouGov?

    Just not part of their normal sequence and no use for any purpose beyond measuring shifts in voting patterns of newspaper readers.

  • Paul_Mid_BedsPaul_Mid_Beds Posts: 1,409
    MarqueeMark said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well it was fun while it lasted.

    Patience....it will come to pass in due course.
    If he means the tories actually getting 38% in an opinion poll I wouldn't count on it......
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,274
    Dominic Lawson - If Miliband wants to win he needs more optimism and a sunnier disposition
    http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/comment/columns/dominiclawson/article1486727.ece
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Balls it is a voodoo poll, of Sun readers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3HUSjQIAAAKfji.jpg

    I would really like to meet the Sun reader who thinks Natalie Bennett would make the best PM. They must have some seriously unusual thought patterns.
    May be they thought she was a page 3 girl?
  • roserees64roserees64 Posts: 251
    A mockery of a poll which puts into question the very idea of a fair and balanced approach to statistics, again a travesty of Orwellian proportions.Why would the Tories be on 38?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,777
    MarqueeMark said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well it was fun while it lasted.

    Patience....it will come to pass in due course.
    Indeed, I have predicted that between now and the election, we will see a poll from a reputable pollster with UKIP in second place or higher.

    I just haven't worked out which party will be in third place.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    DavidL said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Balls it is a voodoo poll, of Sun readers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3HUSjQIAAAKfji.jpg

    I would really like to meet the Sun reader who thinks Natalie Bennett would make the best PM. They must have some seriously unusual thought patterns.
    In the PB Rochester by-Election Prediction contest, somebody opted for an LD win by about 6%.

    Attempts to flush him/her our has so far proved unsuccessful.
    Mark Senior?
    He'd be number one suspect, for sure.
    Anybody else would have clearly been taking the piss; but you'd worry that Senior would have genuinely meant it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,274
    OGH Technically it is a proper poll, but about as useful as a poll of Guardian readers showing Labour first and the Greens in second
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    DavidL said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Balls it is a voodoo poll, of Sun readers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3HUSjQIAAAKfji.jpg

    I would really like to meet the Sun reader who thinks Natalie Bennett would make the best PM. They must have some seriously unusual thought patterns.
    In the PB Rochester by-Election Prediction contest, somebody opted for an LD win by about 6%.

    Attempts to flush him/her our has so far proved unsuccessful.
    Mark Senior?
    He'd be number one suspect, for sure.
    Did you see the Aubosson race yesterday, given a superb ride by Lizzie Kelly? I had decent bet so was very happy with her, but fell in love when I saw her interviewed afterwards!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,777
    Oh my.

    Supporting UKIP has more personal stigma than the other parties

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/11/21/supporting-ukip-has-more-personal-stigma-than-the/
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Well it was fun while it lasted.

    Patience....it will come to pass in due course.
    Indeed, I have predicted that between now and the election, we will see a poll from a reputable pollster with UKIP in second place or higher.

    I just haven't worked out which party will be in third place.
    It won't be the Lib Dems!
  • megalomaniacs4umegalomaniacs4u Posts: 327
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw who moved to Haiti?

    He became a Voodoo Pole!

    (I thank you!)

    Just how much have you had to drink, Sunil? ;-)
    Obviously not enough :-)
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,795
    Strangely, this amazing new poll has failed to move the betting markets.

    Does nobody take "The World's Greatest Newspaper" seriously?
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,706
    edited November 2014
    roserees64 said:

    A mockery of a poll which puts into question the very idea of a fair and balanced approach to statistics, again a travesty of Orwellian proportions.Why would the Tories be on 38?

    They would be climbing back to the level they were in January 2012?

    And I know this is a vodoo poll.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,777
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Strangely, this amazing new poll has failed to move the betting markets.

    Does nobody take "The World's Greatest Newspaper" seriously?

    Remember the Cleggasm.

    When rumours emerged there was a poll about to break to show the Lib Dems in second place.

    That was a crazy time for betting.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited November 2014
    A clever UKIP strategist will probably try to spread word of this poll, but in such a way that it doesn't appear to come from UKIP themselves, in the hope it might shift the "narrative" a bit.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited November 2014
    Interesting: Frank Field says Thornberry's sacking is the most serious thing that has happened to Labour, and Peter Hitchens says the Tories' loss of Rochester is the worst thing that has ever happened to the Conservatives.
    Financier said:

    The Labour leader is facing mounting criticism over his sacking of shadow minister Emily Thornberry over her ‘snobby’ tweet of a family home draped in England flags last week.

    Former welfare minister Frank Field said the incident was ‘the most serious thing that has happened’ to Labour - ‘because it gives vent to what everybody’s guts are telling them about us’.

    Labour shadow cabinet minister Rachel Reeves added that the gaffe had harmed Labour's chances of winning the next election.

    She said: 'I was angry when I saw it, because I am working hard, as are other Labour MPs and activists around the country, trying to get a Labour government back in six months time and she set that process back.'

    It came after Mr Field accused the Labour leader of surrounding himself with a clique of wealthy out-of-touch aides and MPs who did not understand ordinary workers.

    He said: ‘It’s the north London set we’ve got to control. They are a Berlin Wall trying to prevent us reaching out to our voters and like the Berlin Wall they’ve got to be demolished.'

    Mr Field added: ‘Ed’s trying to move us on immigration and welfare and with one blast of a tweet she wrecks that and puts us back to square one. The real problem we have is that there’s a whole group of them.’

    His remarks came as fellow Labour MP David Lammy - who grew up on a council estate close to Tottenham's infamous Broadwater Farm – said the party had ‘lost touch’ with ordinary voters.

    He said: ‘By and large, modern Labour politicians come from liberal, professional backgrounds.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2846174/

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,274
    AN Wilson the UK needs to abandon UKIP and unite with Germany to drive the EU forward
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11246231/Lets-embrace-the-German-giant-on-our-doorstep.html

    America needs its 'Trojan horse' to stay in the EU
    http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/newsreview/features/article1486628.ece
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,706
    AndyJS said:

    A clever UKIP strategist will probably try to spread word of this poll, but in such a way that it doesn't appear to come from UKIP themselves, in the hope it might shift the "narrative" a bit.

    Problem for UKIP with these figures is it puts the Cons in a position that is too strong.
  • The_Last_Boy_ScoutThe_Last_Boy_Scout Posts: 174
    I was a poll of Political Betting Conservatives perhaps? 38% would vote Conservative, 28% Ukip (the real Conservative Party) and 25% tactically Labour (because Ed is so embarrassing they would never be in power again)
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    DavidL said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Balls it is a voodoo poll, of Sun readers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3HUSjQIAAAKfji.jpg

    I would really like to meet the Sun reader who thinks Natalie Bennett would make the best PM. They must have some seriously unusual thought patterns.
    In the PB Rochester by-Election Prediction contest, somebody opted for an LD win by about 6%.

    Attempts to flush him/her our has so far proved unsuccessful.
    Mark Senior?
    Nope As always my forecast of the UKIP majority was amongst the most accurate .
  • The_Last_Boy_ScoutThe_Last_Boy_Scout Posts: 174
    AndyJS said:

    Interesting: Frank Field says Thornberry's sacking is the most serious thing that has happened to Labour, and Peter Hitchens says the Tories' loss of Rochester is the worst thing that has ever happened to the Conservatives.

    Financier said:

    The Labour leader is facing mounting criticism over his sacking of shadow minister Emily Thornberry over her ‘snobby’ tweet of a family home draped in England flags last week.

    Former welfare minister Frank Field said the incident was ‘the most serious thing that has happened’ to Labour - ‘because it gives vent to what everybody’s guts are telling them about us’.

    Labour shadow cabinet minister Rachel Reeves added that the gaffe had harmed Labour's chances of winning the next election.

    She said: 'I was angry when I saw it, because I am working hard, as are other Labour MPs and activists around the country, trying to get a Labour government back in six months time and she set that process back.'

    It came after Mr Field accused the Labour leader of surrounding himself with a clique of wealthy out-of-touch aides and MPs who did not understand ordinary workers.

    He said: ‘It’s the north London set we’ve got to control. They are a Berlin Wall trying to prevent us reaching out to our voters and like the Berlin Wall they’ve got to be demolished.'

    Mr Field added: ‘Ed’s trying to move us on immigration and welfare and with one blast of a tweet she wrecks that and puts us back to square one. The real problem we have is that there’s a whole group of them.’

    His remarks came as fellow Labour MP David Lammy - who grew up on a council estate close to Tottenham's infamous Broadwater Farm – said the party had ‘lost touch’ with ordinary voters.

    He said: ‘By and large, modern Labour politicians come from liberal, professional backgrounds.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2846174/

    Neither Mr Field nor Mr Hitchens are anywhere near right. Usual hyperbole
  • isamisam Posts: 42,619
    Lord Ashcroft (@LordAshcroft)
    23/11/2014 22:38
    Nigel Farage is right – after Rochester all general election bets are off | Michael Ashcroft gu.com/p/43ha7/stw
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,789
    AndyJS said:

    Interesting: Frank Field says Thornberry's sacking is the most serious thing that has happened to Labour, and Peter Hitchens says the Tories' loss of Rochester is the worst thing that has ever happened to the Conservatives.

    They both need to calm down with a nice cup of tea...

  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,795
    nigel4england said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    DavidL said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Balls it is a voodoo poll, of Sun readers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3HUSjQIAAAKfji.jpg

    I would really like to meet the Sun reader who thinks Natalie Bennett would make the best PM. They must have some seriously unusual thought patterns.
    In the PB Rochester by-Election Prediction contest, somebody opted for an LD win by about 6%.

    Attempts to flush him/her our has so far proved unsuccessful.
    Mark Senior?
    He'd be number one suspect, for sure.
    Did you see the Aubosson race yesterday, given a superb ride by Lizzie Kelly? I had decent bet so was very happy with her, but fell in love when I saw her interviewed afterwards!
    Was out all day yesterday, so I watched it just now.

    If you can identify a decent lady jockey early in her career, it's worth backing her whenever she gets a decent horse to ride. Some male punters refuse to back a horse ridden by a lady jock, so there's often an extra slice of value in the price.

    I'll be watching out for Lizzie from now on. Thanks.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,795
    @MarkSenior

    Lol! Only teasing, Mark. I'm sure you can take it.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Talking about the sun on sundays,any more news of john baron the next to jump ship ;-)
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Strangely, this amazing new poll has failed to move the betting markets.

    Does nobody take "The World's Greatest Newspaper" seriously?

    There was a point in time at which the staunch support by the Express for UKIP helped to lend credibility to the latter, but we're well past that stage now, and I'd say that any association between the two is most likely to now lend credibility to the former, which desperately needs some from somewhere.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,256
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw who moved to Haiti?

    He became a Voodoo Pole!

    (I thank you!)

    Would he not then be a Voodoo Pole poller?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,931
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw who moved to Haiti?

    He became a Voodoo Pole!

    (I thank you!)

    Just how much have you had to drink, Sunil? ;-)
    You should know by know that I don't drink - I'm a (diet) coke addict :)
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Balls it is a voodoo poll, of Sun readers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3HUSjQIAAAKfji.jpg

    I would really like to meet the Sun reader who thinks Natalie Bennett would make the best PM. They must have some seriously unusual thought patterns.
    I could imagine a lot of Sun readers believing that the last good Prime Minister of the UK was a woman, and that the four men since then have done pretty badly. It's not really such a huge leap from there to deciding to plump for the only woman in a field of men from upper middle class backgrounds. Plus she's an Aussie.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,795
    OblitusSumMe said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Strangely, this amazing new poll has failed to move the betting markets.

    Does nobody take "The World's Greatest Newspaper" seriously?

    There was a point in time at which the staunch support by the Express for UKIP helped to lend credibility to the latter, but we're well past that stage now, and I'd say that any association between the two is most likely to now lend credibility to the former, which desperately needs some from somewhere.
    I'm old enough to remember when it could reasonably claim to be a great newspaper and was locked in a circulation war with The Mirror. Sad to see what's happened to them both now.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,795
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw who moved to Haiti?

    He became a Voodoo Pole!

    (I thank you!)

    Just how much have you had to drink, Sunil? ;-)
    You should know by know that I don't drink - I'm a (diet) coke addict :)

    Exactly.

    Just how much diet coke have you drunk tonite?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,795
    Well, can't wait up any longer waiting for more exciting details of the poll putting UKIP in 2nd place. Will just have to catch up in the morning.

    Nite all.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,931
    FPT for those wot missed it:

    Looks like we have to wait a while for YouGov Sun on Sunday tables, but here's the ELBOW (Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week) data including the Sunday Times YG.
    10 polls with a total weighted sample of 13,319:

    Lab 33.3% (-0.2)
    Con 32.9% (+0.8)
    UKIP 15.4% (-0.2)
    LD 7.0% (-0.8)

    **Lab lead 0.4% (-1.0)**

    Ever so close to cross-over, but no cigar!
    Cons edge up slowly, but surely, for third week in a row.
    UKIP down slightly, but down for third week in a row.
    LDs down to their lowest score yet in ELBOW (ie. since August 17th)
    Lab stuck around 33% for the last five weeks.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    I noticed at PMQ's,cameron could be throwing some sweeteners the way on baron's pet and worthwhile subject of compensation for british nuclear test veterans.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,777
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    FPT for those wot missed it:

    Looks like we have to wait a while for YouGov Sun on Sunday tables, but here's the ELBOW (Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week) data including the Sunday Times YG.
    10 polls with a total weighted sample of 13,319:

    Lab 33.3% (-0.2)
    Con 32.9% (+0.8)
    UKIP 15.4% (-0.2)
    LD 7.0% (-0.8)

    **Lab lead 0.4% (-1.0)**

    Ever so close to cross-over, but no cigar!
    Cons edge up slowly, but surely, for third week in a row.
    UKIP down slightly, but down for third week in a row.
    LDs down to their lowest score yet in ELBOW (ie. since August 17th)
    Lab stuck around 33% for the last five weeks.

    Labour are doomed, doomed.

    Like the USS Grissom versus a Klingon Bird of Prey.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,931
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    FPT for those wot missed it:

    Looks like we have to wait a while for YouGov Sun on Sunday tables, but here's the ELBOW (Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week) data including the Sunday Times YG.
    10 polls with a total weighted sample of 13,319:

    Lab 33.3% (-0.2)
    Con 32.9% (+0.8)
    UKIP 15.4% (-0.2)
    LD 7.0% (-0.8)

    **Lab lead 0.4% (-1.0)**

    Ever so close to cross-over, but no cigar!
    Cons edge up slowly, but surely, for third week in a row.
    UKIP down slightly, but down for third week in a row.
    LDs down to their lowest score yet in ELBOW (ie. since August 17th)
    Lab stuck around 33% for the last five weeks.

    Labour are doomed, doomed.

    Like the USS Grissom versus a Klingon Bird of Prey.
    Kruge: I said target engine only!
    Gunner: A lucky hit, sir!
    Kruge: [after vaporising him with ray gun] Animal!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    FPT for those wot missed it:

    Looks like we have to wait a while for YouGov Sun on Sunday tables, but here's the ELBOW (Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week) data including the Sunday Times YG.
    10 polls with a total weighted sample of 13,319:

    Lab 33.3% (-0.2)
    Con 32.9% (+0.8)
    UKIP 15.4% (-0.2)
    LD 7.0% (-0.8)

    **Lab lead 0.4% (-1.0)**

    Ever so close to cross-over, but no cigar!
    Cons edge up slowly, but surely, for third week in a row.
    UKIP down slightly, but down for third week in a row.
    LDs down to their lowest score yet in ELBOW (ie. since August 17th)
    Lab stuck around 33% for the last five weeks.

    Tories to go ahead during the next week I reckon.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    edited November 2014
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Strangely, this amazing new poll has failed to move the betting markets.

    Does nobody take "The World's Greatest Newspaper" seriously?

    There was a point in time at which the staunch support by the Express for UKIP helped to lend credibility to the latter, but we're well past that stage now, and I'd say that any association between the two is most likely to now lend credibility to the former, which desperately needs some from somewhere.
    I'm old enough to remember when it could reasonably claim to be a great newspaper and was locked in a circulation war with The Mirror. Sad to see what's happened to them both now.
    Mike Smithson** is what happened to them. He's also busy vanquishing the Guardian and the Independent.

    ** Not entirely single-handedly, but with a bit of help from his friends.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,894
    NickPalmer said:

    AndyJS said:

    Interesting: Frank Field says Thornberry's sacking is the most serious thing that has happened to Labour, and Peter Hitchens says the Tories' loss of Rochester is the worst thing that has ever happened to the Conservatives.

    They both need to calm down with a nice cup of tea...

    What White Van Man wants: builders tea

    What Labour offers him: A detox herbal green tea infusion....

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,931
    AndyJS said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    FPT for those wot missed it:

    Looks like we have to wait a while for YouGov Sun on Sunday tables, but here's the ELBOW (Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week) data including the Sunday Times YG.
    10 polls with a total weighted sample of 13,319:

    Lab 33.3% (-0.2)
    Con 32.9% (+0.8)
    UKIP 15.4% (-0.2)
    LD 7.0% (-0.8)

    **Lab lead 0.4% (-1.0)**

    Ever so close to cross-over, but no cigar!
    Cons edge up slowly, but surely, for third week in a row.
    UKIP down slightly, but down for third week in a row.
    LDs down to their lowest score yet in ELBOW (ie. since August 17th)
    Lab stuck around 33% for the last five weeks.

    Tories to go ahead during the next week I reckon.
    I'll Tweet the graph tomorrow hopefully, once I get the Sun on Sunday YG data. TBH don't think the numbers will change too much.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,894
    AndyJS said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    FPT for those wot missed it:

    Looks like we have to wait a while for YouGov Sun on Sunday tables, but here's the ELBOW (Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week) data including the Sunday Times YG.
    10 polls with a total weighted sample of 13,319:

    Lab 33.3% (-0.2)
    Con 32.9% (+0.8)
    UKIP 15.4% (-0.2)
    LD 7.0% (-0.8)

    **Lab lead 0.4% (-1.0)**

    Ever so close to cross-over, but no cigar!
    Cons edge up slowly, but surely, for third week in a row.
    UKIP down slightly, but down for third week in a row.
    LDs down to their lowest score yet in ELBOW (ie. since August 17th)
    Lab stuck around 33% for the last five weeks.

    Tories to go ahead during the next week I reckon.
    Be fun to try and identify which seats will now/will no longer change hands as a result of these weekly changes....
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2014
    Why do we have this thread?
    I thought threads like these are reserved for proper opinion polls.
    As such I'm embargoing this silly voodoo poll thread.

    This is a disgrace, a thread about a Daily Express front page of a poll of The Sun readers, expletive deleted.
  • NinoinozNinoinoz Posts: 1,312
    edited November 2014
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Balls it is a voodoo poll, of Sun readers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3HUSjQIAAAKfji.jpg

    I would really like to meet the Sun reader who thinks Natalie Bennett would make the best PM. They must have some seriously unusual thought patterns.
    In the PB Rochester by-Election Prediction contest, somebody opted for an LD win by about 6%.

    Attempts to flush him/her our has so far proved unsuccessful.
    No, whoever it was owned up and gave a convoluted version of their 'thinking'. Certain 'players' on this site wanted to have side bets with him on the 'candy and baby' principle.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,619
    Isn't this poll more of sub sample than a voodoo?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,274
    Sarkozy EU should hand back half its powers to member states
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2844054/EU-hand-half-powers-member-states-risk-exploding-warns-Nicolas-Sarkozy.html
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,931
    Ninoinoz said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Balls it is a voodoo poll, of Sun readers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3HUSjQIAAAKfji.jpg

    I would really like to meet the Sun reader who thinks Natalie Bennett would make the best PM. They must have some seriously unusual thought patterns.
    In the PB Rochester by-Election Prediction contest, somebody opted for an LD win by about 6%.

    Attempts to flush him/her our has so far proved unsuccessful.
    No, whoever it was owned up and gave a convoluted version of their 'thinking'. Certain 'players' on this site wanted to have side bets with him on the 'candy and baby' principle.
    Who won the prediction contest BTW?
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited November 2014
    YouGov have a nice 'if they could win' poll for all parties.

    "If candidates from the following parties were standing in your constituency and had a chance of winning, how likely would you be to vote for them?"

    Con 35%, Lab 35%, Green 26%, UKIP 24%, LD 16%

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/11/20/greens-would-soar-if-voters-thought-they-could-win/
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    6 for Ed is interesting - 19/25 Labour types don't rate him.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Point of order - might YOUGOV not be a bit miffed - if ths is the Sun readers Yougov poll - it's not "voodoo" - but a perfectly proper poll of a subset of the population - Sun readers?

    Because we don't have any other polls to compare it with its essentially useless beyond the narrow confines of telling us how Sun readers would vote, but it's not "voodoo"? (Which I thought were typically unweighted "vote now" online polls)?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Express article now up (ipad refusing to post link) - while the Express is coy about the source - and does concede "more general surveys have Labour second or tied with the Tories" (or indeed in first place!) it's the Sun numbers.

  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited November 2014
    Politicians really should learn not to give stupid hostages to fortune (or as they are otherwise known "lies") especially when they are obviously going to get rumbled before the election. As Sir Humphrey said "We should always tell the press freely and frankly anything that they could easily find out some other way."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11249333/Coalition-abandons-target-to-reduce-migration.html

    Coalition abandons target to reduce migration
    The Government will fail to slash the overall number of migrants as planned because Britain's strong economic performance continues to lure European workers, says Theresa May

    This can hardly come as a big shock, its been obvious for atleast a year that we were going to outperform the EU. Seems to be a good week to bury bad news.

    "lure of jihadism must be combated by restoring British values." according to Ms May, apparently this means eroding free speech, increasing snooping, and restricting access to the internet in ways that have no hope of being effective.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,769
    edited November 2014
    HYUFD said:

    Sarkozy EU should hand back half its powers to member states
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2844054/EU-hand-half-powers-member-states-risk-exploding-warns-Nicolas-Sarkozy.html

    In complete agreement with David Cameron, apart from the small matter of which half...
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,694
    Did the Coalition acttually get around to having a migration target? I thought it was one of those “we don’t agrqee, so we won’t tlke about it” subjects.

    I remember that there was a Tory pledge.

    Which I thought at the time was unachievable, but which, delivered with the best of PR gravitas from Dave, made a good soundbite.
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    isam said:

    Isn't this poll more of sub sample than a voodoo?

    It's a voodoo subsample :)

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