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Perhaps, but he might need to refine his technique.Speedy said:
Will he run for Holyrood?dr_spyn said:Gordon Brown on his way?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/gordon-brown-set-resign-within-4676956
http://www.fitfaqs.co.uk/blog/?p=425
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Interesting to see that the Mylene Klass episode, which PBers assured us was a disaster for Ed has made no difference. That is exactly as predicted, I might add.0
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I don't recall people suggesting it would lead to a poll boost for the blues. However, to argue that it was not bad for Ed is definitely bunker mentality.The_Last_Boy_Scout said:Interesting to see that the Mylene Klass episode, which PBers assured us was a disaster for Ed has made no difference. That is exactly as predicted, I might add.
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For the Tories to gain a majority the party needs to be 6 points ahead of Labour in the polls.I'm beginning to thinkn that this will never happen because despite the monstering of Ed Miliband recently there is no boost for the Tories.
Furthermore anyone who thinks that WWC are best represented by van, man and flag don't know much about the proud traditions of the working class, try Tolpuddle or Durham.0 -
It Tee'd up the line at PMQs.The_Last_Boy_Scout said:Interesting to see that the Mylene Klass episode, which PBers assured us was a disaster for Ed has made no difference. That is exactly as predicted, I might add.
"Will they still be cheering on Friday"
Yes, Ed. Yes, they were. And still are...0 -
When do the Sunday front pages come out?0
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Opinium have an alternating pattern of big Labour lead/closer poll.
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It was just another nail in the coffin. Its the accumulative effect that is so damaging.The_Last_Boy_Scout said:Interesting to see that the Mylene Klass episode, which PBers assured us was a disaster for Ed has made no difference. That is exactly as predicted, I might add.
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If you are watching I'm a Celeb, Edwina Currie has morphe into Simon Hughes' sister. Facial movements and accent/tone is his...but slightly more feminine.0
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I thought is might bite him in the arse at the time. Cameron will no doubt remind him of it on Wednesday.Scott_P said:
It Tee'd up the line at PMQs.The_Last_Boy_Scout said:Interesting to see that the Mylene Klass episode, which PBers assured us was a disaster for Ed has made no difference. That is exactly as predicted, I might add.
"Will they still be cheering on Friday"
Yes, Ed. Yes, they were. And still are...0 -
Another excuse one finds on here, when the polling simply doesn't support the forecasts of disaster is that it "feeds the meme". In the real world, if VI is unaffected by it, it almost certainly means that it has made no difference - contrary to the widespread predictions on here. Of course if the looking had fallen, we would be told it was due to Ms Klass!Eastwinger said:
It was just another nail in the coffin. Its the accumulative effect that is so damaging.The_Last_Boy_Scout said:Interesting to see that the Mylene Klass episode, which PBers assured us was a disaster for Ed has made no difference. That is exactly as predicted, I might add.
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In what way was it bad for Ed? Most people support his view over that of Ms Klass.RobD said:
I don't recall people suggesting it would lead to a poll boost for the blues. However, to argue that it was not bad for Ed is definitely bunker mentality.The_Last_Boy_Scout said:Interesting to see that the Mylene Klass episode, which PBers assured us was a disaster for Ed has made no difference. That is exactly as predicted, I might add.
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Its not so long ago that people were saying the same thing about it having no effect on Labours firewall of 37/38%The_Last_Boy_Scout said:
Another excuse one finds on here, when the polling simply doesn't support the forecasts of disaster is that it "feeds the meme". In the real world, if VI is unaffected by it, it almost certainly means that it has made no difference - contrary to the widespread predictions on here. Of course if the looking had fallen, we would be told it was due to Ms Klass!Eastwinger said:
It was just another nail in the coffin. Its the accumulative effect that is so damaging.The_Last_Boy_Scout said:Interesting to see that the Mylene Klass episode, which PBers assured us was a disaster for Ed has made no difference. That is exactly as predicted, I might add.
The direction of travel is obvious to anyone with eyes to see.
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As for Mylene Klass , thank you so much Ms Klass for exposing your insensitivity in public.At least Emily's triad of links made sense; man, van and flag. Mylene's links exposed her lack of empathy in that she put together; garage, granny and two million pounds.No wonder Miliband looked bemused, her utterances were selfish and incoherent.0
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Reading this thread I get the impression that Labour are in a slow but steady decline in the polls.If so to the benefit of whom?0
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I was talking about the Klass episode, not Labour's loss of 4 points, which happened long before it.Eastwinger said:
Its not so long ago that people were saying the same thing about it having no effect on Labours firewall of 37/38%The_Last_Boy_Scout said:
Another excuse one finds on here, when the polling simply doesn't support the forecasts of disaster is that it "feeds the meme". In the real world, if VI is unaffected by it, it almost certainly means that it has made no difference - contrary to the widespread predictions on here. Of course if the looking had fallen, we would be told it was due to Ms Klass!Eastwinger said:
It was just another nail in the coffin. Its the accumulative effect that is so damaging.The_Last_Boy_Scout said:Interesting to see that the Mylene Klass episode, which PBers assured us was a disaster for Ed has made no difference. That is exactly as predicted, I might add.
The direction of travel is obvious to anyone with eyes to see.
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What is this a reference to?Swiss_Bob said:
I thought is might bite him in the arse at the time. Cameron will no doubt remind him of it on Wednesday.Scott_P said:
It Tee'd up the line at PMQs.The_Last_Boy_Scout said:Interesting to see that the Mylene Klass episode, which PBers assured us was a disaster for Ed has made no difference. That is exactly as predicted, I might add.
"Will they still be cheering on Friday"
Yes, Ed. Yes, they were. And still are...0 -
Garage and 2 million was not meant as a literal example, consider it figurative speech.roserees64 said:As for Mylene Klass , thank you so much Ms Klass for exposing your insensitivity in public.At least Emily's triad of links made sense; man, van and flag. Mylene's links exposed her lack of empathy in that she put together; garage, granny and two million pounds.No wonder Miliband looked bemused, her utterances were selfish and incoherent.
If Milliband can't work that out, he is too dumb to be PM. I think he could work it out.0 -
Miliband at PMQs predicting Cameron's back-benchers wouldn't be cheering (laughing?) Friday.The_Last_Boy_Scout said:
What is this a reference to?Swiss_Bob said:
I thought is might bite him in the arse at the time. Cameron will no doubt remind him of it on Wednesday.Scott_P said:
It Tee'd up the line at PMQs.The_Last_Boy_Scout said:Interesting to see that the Mylene Klass episode, which PBers assured us was a disaster for Ed has made no difference. That is exactly as predicted, I might add.
"Will they still be cheering on Friday"
Yes, Ed. Yes, they were. And still are...
Which is funny because he gave them the biggest laugh they could have had, dropped it in their lap. He's Clueless.
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I'll repeat it for you.The_Last_Boy_Scout said:
I was talking about the Klass episode, not Labour's loss of 4 points, which happened long before it.Eastwinger said:
Its not so long ago that people were saying the same thing about it having no effect on Labours firewall of 37/38%The_Last_Boy_Scout said:
Another excuse one finds on here, when the polling simply doesn't support the forecasts of disaster is that it "feeds the meme". In the real world, if VI is unaffected by it, it almost certainly means that it has made no difference - contrary to the widespread predictions on here. Of course if the looking had fallen, we would be told it was due to Ms Klass!Eastwinger said:
It was just another nail in the coffin. Its the accumulative effect that is so damaging.The_Last_Boy_Scout said:Interesting to see that the Mylene Klass episode, which PBers assured us was a disaster for Ed has made no difference. That is exactly as predicted, I might add.
The direction of travel is obvious to anyone with eyes to see.
In itself of small significance.
but just another nail in the coffin.
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It "feeds the meme"Eastwinger said:
I'll repeat it for you.The_Last_Boy_Scout said:
I was talking about the Klass episode, not Labour's loss of 4 points, which happened long before it.Eastwinger said:
Its not so long ago that people were saying the same thing about it having no effect on Labours firewall of 37/38%The_Last_Boy_Scout said:
Another excuse one finds on here, when the polling simply doesn't support the forecasts of disaster is that it "feeds the meme". In the real world, if VI is unaffected by it, it almost certainly means that it has made no difference - contrary to the widespread predictions on here. Of course if the looking had fallen, we would be told it was due to Ms Klass!Eastwinger said:
It was just another nail in the coffin. Its the accumulative effect that is so damaging.The_Last_Boy_Scout said:Interesting to see that the Mylene Klass episode, which PBers assured us was a disaster for Ed has made no difference. That is exactly as predicted, I might add.
The direction of travel is obvious to anyone with eyes to see.
In itself of small significance.
but just another nail in the coffin.
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So.
Farewell then
Gordon Brown
You are the
Last of the
Great Labour
Leaders. You
And I
Had little in
Common
Except that
Like me
You were a little awkward.
How you
Came to run a country
Of 60 million People
Is baffling
Frankly.
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Since the conference season, it has become very obvious that Ed Miliband is not up to the job.
He is a disaster of beyond IDS proportions, and the Labour party simply have to remove him.
The dangers of letting him stay, and preside over a disastrous and clueless electoral campaign, far outweigh the dangers of chaos in the transition to a new leader.
Klass, and whitevangate, are not particularly important in themselves, other than showing how inept Miliband is. A more confident leader would have swatted Klass away, and a more clued-up leader would have closed down whitevangate quickly.
In a general election, these episodes will happen daily. I think there is a real possibility that Labour will run the most inept campaign -- in terms of organisation and presentation -- since Michael Foot.0 -
Klass gets away with it because she has charisma and gorgeous. Ed and Emily are neither. People buy people0
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The finale of the Sturgeon Coronation tour really did give off a Kinnock/Sheffield vibe today.Scott_P said:
@mrobertson_1: People saying they've never seen anything like the #SNPtour today at the Hydro. I have. Neil Kinnock. Sheffield. Rally. Hubris. Defeat...Easterross said:The SNP held a rally in Glasgow's Hydro arena this afternoon which was packed out and apparently lasted for hours judging by journalist Tom Gordon's tweets all afternoon.
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LabourList - Findlay says information going to party members for leadership vote is “insulting”
Twitter
LabourList @LabourList 9m9 minutes ago
Update: Jim Murphy spokesperson says MP "angry" that full nomination information wasn't included with ballot papers http://labli.st/1BYqyXR0 -
Y Bardd Cwsg dan dir tramor, Hedd Wyn would have been disappointed with your views, those of you without a knowledge of Welsh Language poetry won't know what I am referring to.0
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PB hyper-reacts to things that people who are less into politics just shrug off. Labour has lost several points over the last 9 months to UKIP, Greens and the SNP, and the Tories lost several points to UKIP last year. Otherwise, the main voting blocs remain almost unchanged, and it'll be surprising if that's very different in 5 months' time.The_Last_Boy_Scout said:Interesting to see that the Mylene Klass episode, which PBers assured us was a disaster for Ed has made no difference. That is exactly as predicted, I might add.
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fitalass
If Kinnock's lot had been able to produce such a rally AFTER his 1992 defeat then you might be on to something.
However, I am much encouraged by your rubbishing of the SNP Sturgeon tour, as I have long rated you as a great reverse indicator on Scottish politics.
I rubbished at the time your lauding of the next to useless Richard Baker Labour MSP who has enjoyed only demotions since you lavished him with praise.
I await your further prognostications on Scotland with interest :-)0 -
"CON lose lead in latest YouGov for S Times"
Curious wording - the Tories in fact remain joint leaders.0 -
Has Labour officially replaced the "35% strategy" with the "33% strategy"?0
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Is she the new Queen of Scots visiting with her people?fitalass said:The finale of the Sturgeon Coronation tour really did give off a Kinnock/Sheffield vibe today.
Scott_P said:
@mrobertson_1: People saying they've never seen anything like the #SNPtour today at the Hydro. I have. Neil Kinnock. Sheffield. Rally. Hubris. Defeat...Easterross said:The SNP held a rally in Glasgow's Hydro arena this afternoon which was packed out and apparently lasted for hours judging by journalist Tom Gordon's tweets all afternoon.
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Polly toynbee her tweeting tonight shows new depths of leftie elitist desperation...
How exactly does she get away with a living from such dross, I guess her fans would say she's their hodges but sheesh
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As one of the 55% who voted No in the Indy Referendum, I have no problem bursting that over inflated SNP Coronation bubble being whipped up by SNP/Yes supporters.
I see that you have mentioned Richard Baker while failing to mention that I had also singled out Jim Murphy as a Labour politician to watch back when he was appointed as Scottish Secretary. #failJPJ2 said:fitalass
If Kinnock's lot had been able to produce such a rally AFTER his 1992 defeat then you might be on to something.
However, I am much encouraged by your rubbishing of the SNP Sturgeon tour, as I have long rated you as a great reverse indicator on Scottish politics.
I rubbished at the time your lauding of the next to useless Richard Baker Labour MSP who has enjoyed only demotions since you lavished him with praise.
I await your further prognostications on Scotland with interest :-)0 -
roserees64 said:
'As for Mylene Klass ...'
I don't know much about her but as a pop star all her money came from the public paying to see her or buy her records etc. Thus they can hardly resent her. She is well off and as long as she pays her taxes fairly she has all the right in the world to comment about the system itself.
It may be that some people are hypocrites and do resent the money that the public have effectivly given her for performing but there is no crime in being someone who has come from nowhere to be a pop star.0 -
First time both Con and Lab have been at 5 or higher with the overall majority market AFAIK:
NOM 1.56
Lab 5
Con 6
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Like Salmond and Swinney, Sturgeon is a highly recognisable face rather than a fresh start within the SNP Scottish Government. Anyone else remember that polling bounce Gordon Brown got after he took over/pushed Blair out the door back in 2007? But both he and his Labour Government still looked tired and out of touch come the election after three terms in Office.Swiss_Bob said:
Is she the new Queen of Scots visiting with her people?fitalass said:The finale of the Sturgeon Coronation tour really did give off a Kinnock/Sheffield vibe today.
Scott_P said:
@mrobertson_1: People saying they've never seen anything like the #SNPtour today at the Hydro. I have. Neil Kinnock. Sheffield. Rally. Hubris. Defeat...Easterross said:The SNP held a rally in Glasgow's Hydro arena this afternoon which was packed out and apparently lasted for hours judging by journalist Tom Gordon's tweets all afternoon.
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I haven't really followed it but what is the purpose of the tour? No election, referendum's over, sounds ghastly.fitalass said:Like Salmond and Swinney, Sturgeon is a highly recognisable face rather than a fresh start within the SNP Scottish Government.
Swiss_Bob said:
Is she the new Queen of Scots visiting with her people?fitalass said:The finale of the Sturgeon Coronation tour really did give off a Kinnock/Sheffield vibe today.
Scott_P said:
@mrobertson_1: People saying they've never seen anything like the #SNPtour today at the Hydro. I have. Neil Kinnock. Sheffield. Rally. Hubris. Defeat...Easterross said:The SNP held a rally in Glasgow's Hydro arena this afternoon which was packed out and apparently lasted for hours judging by journalist Tom Gordon's tweets all afternoon.
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She is now blaming the BBC for anti-Labour bias...Scrapheap_as_was said:Polly toynbee her tweeting tonight shows new depths of leftie elitist desperation...
How exactly does she get away with a living from such dross, I guess her fans would say she's their hodges but sheesh0 -
Fitalass
"that I had also singled out Jim Murphy as a Labour politician to watch back when he was appointed as Scottish Secretary"
No problem agreeing with that as I did at the time, making money on him holding his seat in 2010, (and saying he would on this site), when one or two PBers thought he would lose his seat in another "Tory surge"
However. Murphy will never be the First Minister of Scotland, far less the PM of the UK.
He remains, however, the last best hope for the British Labour Party in Scotland-that is their tragedy.0 -
David Wooding @DavidWooding 19m19 minutes ago
Labour has one point lead, according to YouGov poll in The Sun on Sunday. Lab 34, Con 33, Ukip 15, Lib Dems 8.0 -
Sun Politics retweeting YG as 34 Lab 33 Con
How come?0 -
@bigjohnowls
Someone should have went to Specsaver?0 -
Heidi and I have 5 bedrooms, my wife and daughter a mere 4. Also my garage is 5 feet longer. Hers has 2 doors whereas I only have 1 big one.Plato said:@Tim_B has the best living arrangements - he lives with Heidi who has her own double bedroom. And his wife lives in another house. Perfect. Heidi is a German Shepherd and a very fine looking lady too.
Toms said:
My partner and I can beat that: we have the same postcode.Charles said:
I'm glad to hear to both you and your wife live in the same county, at least.Casino_Royale said:
I had to leave to rendezvous with my wife at Waterloo; we both live in rural Hampshire.
By the way, who's the poodle?0 -
I am confused
Sun Politics retweeted
David Wooding @DavidWooding · 30m 30 minutes ago
Labour has one point lead, according to YouGov poll in The Sun on Sunday. Lab 34, Con 33, Ukip 15, Lib Dems 8.
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Just heard the news — Gordon Brown is standing down apparently. The 32nd Labour MP to retire and 74th overall.0
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There are two YouGov polls tonight - one in S Times the other in Sun on Sunday.
Latter has LAB lead, former level pegging0 -
LAB could win overall majority on 30% even with big Scots losses. Remember it's not the national vote shares that matter but what is happening in the key constituenciesAndyJS said:Has Labour officially replaced the "35% strategy" with the "33% strategy"?
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Tonights Opinium LAB 338 CON 261 LD 22 EICIPM
Tonights YG Mike LAB 321 CON 283 LD 18 EICIPM
Tonights YG Sun pol retweet LAB 327 CON 278 LD 17 EICIPM
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Thanks MikeMikeSmithson said:There are two YouGov polls tonight - one in S Times the other in Sun on Sunday.
Latter has LAB lead, former level pegging
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OK Lab lead or joint lead in all 3 polls tonight!peter_from_putney said:"CON lose lead in latest YouGov for S Times"
Curious wording - the Tories in fact remain joint leaders.0 -
I had to look him up on Google but thank you I will take that all day long!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not sure I actually look like Sachin! He's far better looking than me (joke!)isam said:
Alas!Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
I left there at about 8.30 as had somewhere else to go on to. Would have been nice to have seen you again.isam said:
Do PBers have v early bedtimes? I got there about a quarter to nine and seem to have missed almost everyoneHertsmere_Pubgoer said:Great cartoon Marf. Lovely evening meeting so many PBers again.
All the same it was nice to meet Sunil the little master, Nino the Penfold lookalike, and Hunchman who I hadn't met previously, as well as Pulpstar who I somehow thought I had met before, but hadn't!
But you seemed to remind of Edward Burns, wot played the soldier who nearly mutinied against Tom Hanks in "Saving Private Ryan"0 -
I don't think we've ever had two YouGov polls at the same time before?0
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From a couple of thread ago:
Personally I don't see why they're bothering to have a fleshed out policy on it -they are the ONLY mainstream party to even recommend having national control over immigration. Frankly that puts them three steps ahead of every other party already. WORST CASE Ukip immigration scenario is that things will be exactly the same as they are now. It's like Linford Christie having to explain his nutrition regime and training strategy when he's running against Timmy Mallet and someone dressed as a hot dog.Socrates said:
As best I can understand it:Stark_Dawning said:
I'm thinking of voting UKIP, but before I do can a UKIP supporter explain to me a) what UKIP's immigration policy was before Wednesday b) how it differed after Wednesday. Thanks.Scrapheap_as_was said:Blimey - I leave the PB bubble and all fun and games start happening...
Newly-elected UKIP MP Mark Reckless has accused party leader Nigel Farage of a policy U-turn over EU migration.
In an interview with the Times, the Rochester and Strood MP says: "The policy changed on Wednesday and I'm a bit sore about how I came out of that."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30157507?ocid=socialflow_twitter
(a) The policy before Wednesday was that EU migrants could either (1) apply for permanent residency based on being here 7 years, (2) apply for some other immigration category like family or high-skilled, (3) get a limited 2-year work visa after which they'd have to return home.
(b) The policy now seems to be to have removed category (3) and allow all EU migrants to apply for (1).0 -
UKPR calculator:
Lab 30%, Con 30%, LD 12% => Lab 312, Con 267, LD 41.
I must say that LD 41 figure looks very strange when they're on just 12%.
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Another one. I think the story was that he got sad about some lost love and never washed again, hence the name.Easterross said:Incidentally who was the Richard who gave his name to the pub you frequented last night? Whittington or another one?
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"The chief executive of the German football league, Christian Seifert, called for a Europe-wide boycott of both World Cups. “As a serious organisation, we no longer feel represented by this Fifa,” he said."
Is this the beginning of the end for FIFA - all it would take is for other top European Football Associations to follow Germany's lead for Sepp Blatter and his merry bunch to be out on their ears.
Please God make it happen.0 -
We should follow the germans in on this.peter_from_putney said:"The chief executive of the German football league, Christian Seifert, called for a Europe-wide boycott of both World Cups. “As a serious organisation, we no longer feel represented by this Fifa,” he said."
Is this the beginning of the end for FIFA - all it would take is for other top European Football Associations to follow Germany's lead for Sepp Blatter and his merry bunch to be out on their ears.
Please God make it happen.0 -
First Sun on Sunday poll since June I think.AndyJS said:I don't think we've ever had two YouGov polls at the same time before?
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I agree it does look odd, but applying the same three base percentages, Baxter comes up with a similar figure of 37 for the LibDems.AndyJS said:UKPR calculator:
Lab 30%, Con 30%, LD 12% => Lab 312, Con 267, LD 41.
I must say that LD 41 figure looks very strange when they're on just 12%.
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Secondedpeter_from_putney said:"The chief executive of the German football league, Christian Seifert, called for a Europe-wide boycott of both World Cups. “As a serious organisation, we no longer feel represented by this Fifa,” he said."
Is this the beginning of the end for FIFA - all it would take is for other top European Football Associations to follow Germany's lead for Sepp Blatter and his merry bunch to be out on their ears.
Please God make it happen.0 -
With no Leadership contest to fight, Sturgeon has been on a wee whistle stop tour of Scotland to speak in front of the SNP party faithful instead. Again like Gordon Brown and the Labour party in 2007, Sturgeon and the SNP might all have benefited more from a proper debate via a hard fought Leadership contest to make them more election ready. Especially if the only thing binding some parts of the SNP membership base right now is an actual desire to continue to fight for Independence, its time to remember that the SNP are supposed to be running Scotland right now. Not that you would realise that was their current full time paying gig over the last few weeks.Swiss_Bob said:
I haven't really followed it but what is the purpose of the tour? No election, referendum's over, sounds ghastly.fitalass said:Like Salmond and Swinney, Sturgeon is a highly recognisable face rather than a fresh start within the SNP Scottish Government.
Swiss_Bob said:
Is she the new Queen of Scots visiting with her people?fitalass said:The finale of the Sturgeon Coronation tour really did give off a Kinnock/Sheffield vibe today.
Scott_P said:
@mrobertson_1: People saying they've never seen anything like the #SNPtour today at the Hydro. I have. Neil Kinnock. Sheffield. Rally. Hubris. Defeat...Easterross said:The SNP held a rally in Glasgow's Hydro arena this afternoon which was packed out and apparently lasted for hours judging by journalist Tom Gordon's tweets all afternoon.
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Labour can get ~ 45% of the seats on 30% of the vote.peter_from_putney said:
I agree it does look odd, but applying the same three base percentages, Baxter comes up with a similar figure of 37 for the LibDems.AndyJS said:UKPR calculator:
Lab 30%, Con 30%, LD 12% => Lab 312, Con 267, LD 41.
I must say that LD 41 figure looks very strange when they're on just 12%.
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/swing-calculator
So we shouldn't begrudge the Lib Dems 6% of the seats on 12% of the vote..0 -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs/the_papers/Swiss_Bob said:When do the Sunday front pages come out?
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At last, and well done to Christian Seifert for stepping forward to call for that Europe-wide boycott of these World Cups! Lets hope that others in Europe follow him in his call for action, and quickly.peter_from_putney said:
"The chief executive of the German football league, Christian Seifert, called for a Europe-wide boycott of both World Cups. “As a serious organisation, we no longer feel represented by this Fifa,” he said."
Is this the beginning of the end for FIFA - all it would take is for other top European Football Associations to follow Germany's lead for Sepp Blatter and his merry bunch to be out on their ears.
Please God make it happen.0 -
I've just placed a bet with BWIN for £11.91 (the maximum they would allow) at odds of 33/1 that UEFA will boycott both of FIFA's 2018 and 2022 World Cup tournaments.fitalass said:At last, and well done to Christian Seifert for stepping forward to call for that Europe-wide boycott of these World Cups! Lets hope that others in Europe follow him in his call for action, and quickly.
peter_from_putney said:"The chief executive of the German football league, Christian Seifert, called for a Europe-wide boycott of both World Cups. “As a serious organisation, we no longer feel represented by this Fifa,” he said."
Is this the beginning of the end for FIFA - all it would take is for other top European Football Associations to follow Germany's lead for Sepp Blatter and his merry bunch to be out on their ears.
Please God make it happen.
It really shouldn't take that much honest conviction for the powers that be to deliver this bet and thereby a profit of £393.03 for yous truly ...... wish me luck!0 -
Don't misunderstand this as a defence of the corrupt FIFA but a boycott like this might well mean the end of international football as we know it. The clubs (and fans) don't like losing expensive players to the national teams, especially if the come back injured, and UEFA does not need it.fitalass said:At last, and well done to Christian Seifert for stepping forward to call for that Europe-wide boycott of these World Cups! Lets hope that others in Europe follow him in his call for action, and quickly.
peter_from_putney said:"The chief executive of the German football league, Christian Seifert, called for a Europe-wide boycott of both World Cups. “As a serious organisation, we no longer feel represented by this Fifa,” he said."
Is this the beginning of the end for FIFA - all it would take is for other top European Football Associations to follow Germany's lead for Sepp Blatter and his merry bunch to be out on their ears.
Please God make it happen.0 -
I imagine it wouldn't take the English F.A. more than a couple of nano-seconds to line themselves up behind the Germans on this issue.0
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Good luck PfP.peter_from_putney said:
I've just placed a bet with BWIN for £11.91 (the maximum they would allow) at odds of 33/1 that UEFA will boycott both of FIFA's 2018 and 2022 World Cup tournaments.fitalass said:At last, and well done to Christian Seifert for stepping forward to call for that Europe-wide boycott of these World Cups! Lets hope that others in Europe follow him in his call for action, and quickly.
peter_from_putney said:"The chief executive of the German football league, Christian Seifert, called for a Europe-wide boycott of both World Cups. “As a serious organisation, we no longer feel represented by this Fifa,” he said."
Is this the beginning of the end for FIFA - all it would take is for other top European Football Associations to follow Germany's lead for Sepp Blatter and his merry bunch to be out on their ears.
Please God make it happen.
It really shouldn't take that much honest conviction for the powers that be to deliver this bet and thereby a profit of £393.03 for yous truly ...... wish me luck!0 -
Thanks fitalass - should I win, then the drinks are on me at the inaugural PB.com social gathering in Scotland. I'm all heart me!fitalass said:Good luck PfP.
peter_from_putney said:
I've just placed a bet with BWIN for £11.91 (the maximum they would allow) at odds of 33/1 that UEFA will boycott both of FIFA's 2018 and 2022 World Cup tournaments.fitalass said:At last, and well done to Christian Seifert for stepping forward to call for that Europe-wide boycott of these World Cups! Lets hope that others in Europe follow him in his call for action, and quickly.
peter_from_putney said:"The chief executive of the German football league, Christian Seifert, called for a Europe-wide boycott of both World Cups. “As a serious organisation, we no longer feel represented by this Fifa,” he said."
Is this the beginning of the end for FIFA - all it would take is for other top European Football Associations to follow Germany's lead for Sepp Blatter and his merry bunch to be out on their ears.
Please God make it happen.
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There is no way that is going to happen, and for the very same reason we are in this current mess, money. There is nothing else that comes near to the World Cup for a collective fan base when showcasing football on the global stage, and its because those teams are playing for their country rather than just their clubs. We simple cannot continue as we are with FIFA now so discredited, and to do nothing would really let down both football and its many fans in the longer run.
Just look at how huge the Ryder Cup has become now as a team sport that is made up of the most individual of sportsmen, golfers. It would be a very brave golfer from America or Europe that would now refuse to turn out and play for the team in this tournament.
DecrepitJohnL said:
Don't misunderstand this as a defence of the corrupt FIFA but a boycott like this might well mean the end of international football as we know it. The clubs (and fans) don't like losing expensive players to the national teams, especially if the come back injured, and UEFA does not need it.fitalass said:At last, and well done to Christian Seifert for stepping forward to call for that Europe-wide boycott of these World Cups! Lets hope that others in Europe follow him in his call for action, and quickly.
peter_from_putney said:"The chief executive of the German football league, Christian Seifert, called for a Europe-wide boycott of both World Cups. “As a serious organisation, we no longer feel represented by this Fifa,” he said."
Is this the beginning of the end for FIFA - all it would take is for other top European Football Associations to follow Germany's lead for Sepp Blatter and his merry bunch to be out on their ears.
Please God make it happen.0 -
Peter, have sent you a message via vanilla.peter_from_putney said:
Thanks fitalass - should I win, then the drinks are on me at the inaugural PB.com social gathering in Scotland. I'm all heart me!fitalass said:Good luck PfP.
peter_from_putney said:
I've just placed a bet with BWIN for £11.91 (the maximum they would allow) at odds of 33/1 that UEFA will boycott both of FIFA's 2018 and 2022 World Cup tournaments.fitalass said:At last, and well done to Christian Seifert for stepping forward to call for that Europe-wide boycott of these World Cups! Lets hope that others in Europe follow him in his call for action, and quickly.
peter_from_putney said:"The chief executive of the German football league, Christian Seifert, called for a Europe-wide boycott of both World Cups. “As a serious organisation, we no longer feel represented by this Fifa,” he said."
Is this the beginning of the end for FIFA - all it would take is for other top European Football Associations to follow Germany's lead for Sepp Blatter and his merry bunch to be out on their ears.
Please God make it happen.
It really shouldn't take that much honest conviction for the powers that be to deliver this bet and thereby a profit of £393.03 for yous truly ...... wish me luck!0 -
People commenting on Kinnock/Sheffield down thread prompted me to go back and look at some of the old videos. How did he ever get from this startling oratory
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWLN7rIby9s
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Yes, very strange ...... I remember turning to my loved ones as we listened to that Sheffield speech and I said to them "he's just blown it" Yet he now claims that prior to that fateful evening he already knew that Labour had lost the imminent General Election.Indigo said:People commenting on Kinnock/Sheffield down thread prompted me to go back and look at some of the old videos. How did he ever get from this startling oratory
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWLN7rIby9s
to this embarrassment
youtu.be/7TOgB3Smvro?t=1m29s0 -
Of course, Nigel Farage ! Why didn't I think of that before ?isam said:Re Emily Thornberry
What UKIP need to cause havoc for her, and Labour, in May 2015 is a candidate from a working class background, whose family hail from Islington back when it was a dump, who supports the local football team, is comfortable hanging out in trendy Upper St or "vibrant" Pentonville Rd. Someone who has worked in the City, in Brighton, lived in North London...
100/1 Get on
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The word got round taht you were coming.isam said:
Do PBers have v early bedtimes? I got there about a quarter to nine and seem to have missed almost everyoneHertsmere_Pubgoer said:Great cartoon Marf. Lovely evening meeting so many PBers again.
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According to Salmond, in his last interview before giving up being FM, it was Gordon who saved the Union [ he didn't put it that way ! ].Easterross said:Being reported Gordon Brown is finally going to announce his retirement. Kirkcaldy will finally get an MP who attends Parliament.
Salmond said the three leaders sudden "vow" would have had a credibility problem. However, Brown's underwriting changed all that.0 -
The Tories were more than 7% ahead of Labour in 2010 and still did not get a majority. The demographics have gone further against them since then. London and the other metropolitan towns and cities are gradually becoming Tory free zones.roserees64 said:For the Tories to gain a majority the party needs to be 6 points ahead of Labour in the polls.I'm beginning to thinkn that this will never happen because despite the monstering of Ed Miliband recently there is no boost for the Tories.
Furthermore anyone who thinks that WWC are best represented by van, man and flag don't know much about the proud traditions of the working class, try Tolpuddle or Durham.0 -
To be fair, Fitalass [ or even her previous incarnation ] always backed Murphy. I always wondered why for someone who so hates Labour.fitalass said:As one of the 55% who voted No in the Indy Referendum, I have no problem bursting that over inflated SNP Coronation bubble being whipped up by SNP/Yes supporters.
I see that you have mentioned Richard Baker while failing to mention that I had also singled out Jim Murphy as a Labour politician to watch back when he was appointed as Scottish Secretary. #failJPJ2 said:fitalass
If Kinnock's lot had been able to produce such a rally AFTER his 1992 defeat then you might be on to something.
However, I am much encouraged by your rubbishing of the SNP Sturgeon tour, as I have long rated you as a great reverse indicator on Scottish politics.
I rubbished at the time your lauding of the next to useless Richard Baker Labour MSP who has enjoyed only demotions since you lavished him with praise.
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The distribution of the UKIP vote as well that of the SNP is crucial.AndyJS said:UKPR calculator:
Lab 30%, Con 30%, LD 12% => Lab 312, Con 267, LD 41.
I must say that LD 41 figure looks very strange when they're on just 12%.
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Gordon Brown retiring from Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath in May.
Shadsy is no slouch! He has already cut the SNP price to 4/1
Lab Hold with new candidate is 1/8
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No surprise that you have finally decided to reappear on PB.com, especially with the current SNP polling. It must have been so frustrating to have to stay submerged when these very favourable polls started to emerge, for me, I only thought it matter of time before you appeared as result of these polls.Stuart_Dickson said:
Gordon Brown retiring from Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath in May.
Shadsy is no slouch! He has already cut the SNP price to 4/1
Lab Hold with new candidate is 1/8
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This is simplistic on the poll to votes, and erroneous on metropolitans.surbiton said:
The Tories were more than 7% ahead of Labour in 2010 and still did not get a majority. The demographics have gone further against them since then. London and the other metropolitan towns and cities are gradually becoming Tory free zones.roserees64 said:For the Tories to gain a majority the party needs to be 6 points ahead of Labour in the polls.I'm beginning to thinkn that this will never happen because despite the monstering of Ed Miliband recently there is no boost for the Tories.
Furthermore anyone who thinks that WWC are best represented by van, man and flag don't know much about the proud traditions of the working class, try Tolpuddle or Durham.
Labour on 30% does not necessarily produce the same net effect when they are performing less well relatively in Scotland. We also need to gauge the scene in London where the Mansion Tax appears to going down like a lead balloon in former New Labour areas.
Anyway, I expect the Conservatives to pull away next year and now think a 10% lead is the greater than 50/50.0 -
30% is 30%. Less well in Scotland means they are getting extra votes in England.audreyanne said:
This is simplistic on the poll to votes, and erroneous on metropolitans.surbiton said:
The Tories were more than 7% ahead of Labour in 2010 and still did not get a majority. The demographics have gone further against them since then. London and the other metropolitan towns and cities are gradually becoming Tory free zones.roserees64 said:For the Tories to gain a majority the party needs to be 6 points ahead of Labour in the polls.I'm beginning to thinkn that this will never happen because despite the monstering of Ed Miliband recently there is no boost for the Tories.
Furthermore anyone who thinks that WWC are best represented by van, man and flag don't know much about the proud traditions of the working class, try Tolpuddle or Durham.
Labour on 30% does not necessarily produce the same net effect when they are performing less well relatively in Scotland. We also need to gauge the scene in London where the Mansion Tax appears to going down like a lead balloon in former New Labour areas.
Anyway, I expect the Conservatives to pull away next year and now think a 10% lead is the greater than 50/50.
"Anyway, I expect the Conservatives to pull away next year and now think a 10% lead is the greater than 50/50."
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"We also need to gauge the scene in London where the Mansion Tax appears to going down like a lead balloon in former New Labour areas."audreyanne said:
This is simplistic on the poll to votes, and erroneous on metropolitans.surbiton said:
The Tories were more than 7% ahead of Labour in 2010 and still did not get a majority. The demographics have gone further against them since then. London and the other metropolitan towns and cities are gradually becoming Tory free zones.roserees64 said:For the Tories to gain a majority the party needs to be 6 points ahead of Labour in the polls.I'm beginning to thinkn that this will never happen because despite the monstering of Ed Miliband recently there is no boost for the Tories.
Furthermore anyone who thinks that WWC are best represented by van, man and flag don't know much about the proud traditions of the working class, try Tolpuddle or Durham.
Labour on 30% does not necessarily produce the same net effect when they are performing less well relatively in Scotland. We also need to gauge the scene in London where the Mansion Tax appears to going down like a lead balloon in former New Labour areas.
Anyway, I expect the Conservatives to pull away next year and now think a 10% lead is the greater than 50/50.
Ah ! So Labour won't win Richmond after all !
The average house price in London is just over £500,000 !!!!!!
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Is it the case that the Mansion tax costs will be covered for MPs by the expenses system meaning that effectively they will not be paying it?surbiton said:
"We also need to gauge the scene in London where the Mansion Tax appears to going down like a lead balloon in former New Labour areas."audreyanne said:
This is simplistic on the poll to votes, and erroneous on metropolitans.surbiton said:
The Tories were more than 7% ahead of Labour in 2010 and still did not get a majority. The demographics have gone further against them since then. London and the other metropolitan towns and cities are gradually becoming Tory free zones.roserees64 said:For the Tories to gain a majority the party needs to be 6 points ahead of Labour in the polls.I'm beginning to thinkn that this will never happen because despite the monstering of Ed Miliband recently there is no boost for the Tories.
Furthermore anyone who thinks that WWC are best represented by van, man and flag don't know much about the proud traditions of the working class, try Tolpuddle or Durham.
Labour on 30% does not necessarily produce the same net effect when they are performing less well relatively in Scotland. We also need to gauge the scene in London where the Mansion Tax appears to going down like a lead balloon in former New Labour areas.
Anyway, I expect the Conservatives to pull away next year and now think a 10% lead is the greater than 50/50.
Ah ! So Labour won't win Richmond after all !
The average house price in London is just over £500,000 !!!!!!0 -
Yes http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/527728/mansion-tax-MPs-expenses-Labourfelix said:
Is it the case that the Mansion tax costs will be covered for MPs by the expenses system meaning that effectively they will not be paying it?surbiton said:
"We also need to gauge the scene in London where the Mansion Tax appears to going down like a lead balloon in former New Labour areas."audreyanne said:
This is simplistic on the poll to votes, and erroneous on metropolitans.surbiton said:
The Tories were more than 7% ahead of Labour in 2010 and still did not get a majority. The demographics have gone further against them since then. London and the other metropolitan towns and cities are gradually becoming Tory free zones.roserees64 said:For the Tories to gain a majority the party needs to be 6 points ahead of Labour in the polls.I'm beginning to thinkn that this will never happen because despite the monstering of Ed Miliband recently there is no boost for the Tories.
Furthermore anyone who thinks that WWC are best represented by van, man and flag don't know much about the proud traditions of the working class, try Tolpuddle or Durham.
Labour on 30% does not necessarily produce the same net effect when they are performing less well relatively in Scotland. We also need to gauge the scene in London where the Mansion Tax appears to going down like a lead balloon in former New Labour areas.
Anyway, I expect the Conservatives to pull away next year and now think a 10% lead is the greater than 50/50.
Ah ! So Labour won't win Richmond after all !
The average house price in London is just over £500,000 !!!!!!0 -
Indeed, but independent analysis shows that to raise the 2bn Labour have earmarked from this tax the threshold would have to be 1.25m. An average £540,000 house will be over that threshold in around 7 years on average London property price growth, and thats assuming the threshold does not come down. Meanwhile a real mansion in Ed's constituency is currently around £750k, and still wont be near £1.25m in 7 years time because of the much lower provincial property price inflation. London voters aren't stupid, they know a London Tax when they see one.surbiton said:
The average house price in London is just over £500,000 !!!!!!
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Wow - the usual Labour hypocrisy then. So Emily's 3m mansion gets off Scot free!Indigo said:
Yes http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/527728/mansion-tax-MPs-expenses-Labourfelix said:
Is it the case that the Mansion tax costs will be covered for MPs by the expenses system meaning that effectively they will not be paying it?surbiton said:
"We also need to gauge the scene in London where the Mansion Tax appears to going down like a lead balloon in former New Labour areas."audreyanne said:
This is simplistic on the poll to votes, and erroneous on metropolitans.surbiton said:
The Tories were more than 7% ahead of Labour in 2010 and still did not get a majority. The demographics have gone further against them since then. London and the other metropolitan towns and cities are gradually becoming Tory free zones.roserees64 said:For the Tories to gain a majority the party needs to be 6 points ahead of Labour in the polls.I'm beginning to thinkn that this will never happen because despite the monstering of Ed Miliband recently there is no boost for the Tories.
Furthermore anyone who thinks that WWC are best represented by van, man and flag don't know much about the proud traditions of the working class, try Tolpuddle or Durham.
Labour on 30% does not necessarily produce the same net effect when they are performing less well relatively in Scotland. We also need to gauge the scene in London where the Mansion Tax appears to going down like a lead balloon in former New Labour areas.
Anyway, I expect the Conservatives to pull away next year and now think a 10% lead is the greater than 50/50.
Ah ! So Labour won't win Richmond after all !
The average house price in London is just over £500,000 !!!!!!0 -
An FPTP system with 2.5 parties is very different to one with four or more.peter_from_putney said:
I agree it does look odd, but applying the same three base percentages, Baxter comes up with a similar figure of 37 for the LibDems.AndyJS said:UKPR calculator:
Lab 30%, Con 30%, LD 12% => Lab 312, Con 267, LD 41.
I must say that LD 41 figure looks very strange when they're on just 12%.
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/swing-calculator
i) The relative gap between the parties nationally is now smaller. In 1979 the Libs with 13% won just 11 seats. That was because the Tories were on 45%, more than 30% ahead of them.
ii) It is possible for a party to win a seat with a low share of the vote. We saw that when the LDs clung on to Eastleigh, won on the lowest (by-election) share of the vote since 1918.
In other words, UKIP will be the saviour of the LibDems (and will also assist in their long-term objective of PR.)
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Although they will be too stupid to make use of the shared interest, it will be the AV referendum all over again. Farage would have been a powerful voice for AV, demonstrating that it wasn't just a liberal-love-in, but the LDs didn't want to talk to him because he wasn't "their sort of people", and so they lost.RodCrosby said:In other words, UKIP will be the saviour of the LibDems (and will also assist in their long-term objective of PR.)
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