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Thanks Marf for capturing the spirit of last night’s PB gathering at Dirty Dicks in the City of London. This was the best attended PB event that we’ve ever had and it was great to compare notes and betting strategies with fellow PBers.
Tonight's Opinium taken before Roch/Str result. Lab 33(nc) Con 30 (-4) Ukip 19(+1) LD 7 (+2)
Snp 5 Greens 4
Looks like a swing from one outlier to another but should steady Labour nerves. We'll see how it all shakes out but I'm expecting polling by next week to show UKIP up a bit at the expense of both major parties, but nothing very dramatic.
Tonight's Opinium taken before Roch/Str result. Lab 33(nc) Con 30 (-4) Ukip 19(+1) LD 7 (+2)
Snp 5 Greens 4
Looks like a swing from one outlier to another but should steady Labour nerves. We'll see how it all shakes out but I'm expecting polling by next week to show UKIP up a bit at the expense of both major parties, but nothing very dramatic.
Most of the fieldwork for tonight's YouGov would have been Friday, which should make for an interesting read.
What UKIP need to cause havoc for her, and Labour, in May 2015 is a candidate from a working class background, whose family hail from Islington back when it was a dump, who supports the local football team, is comfortable hanging out in trendy Upper St or "vibrant" Pentonville Rd. Someone who has worked in the City, in Brighton, lived in North London...
What UKIP need to cause havoc for her, and Labour, in May 2015 is a candidate from a working class background, whose family hail from Islington back when it was a dump, who supports the local football team, is comfortable hanging out in trendy Upper St or "vibrant" Pentonville Rd. Someone who has worked in the City, in Brighton, lived in North London...
What UKIP need to cause havoc for her, and Labour, in May 2015 is a candidate from a working class background, whose family hail from Islington back when it was a dump, who supports the local football team, is comfortable hanging out in trendy Upper St or "vibrant" Pentonville Rd. Someone who has worked in the City, in Brighton, lived in North London...
Great cartoon Marf. Lovely evening meeting so many PBers again.
Do PBers have v early bedtimes? I got there about a quarter to nine and seem to have missed almost everyone
I left there at about 8.30 as had somewhere else to go on to. Would have been nice to have seen you again.
Alas!
All the same it was nice to meet Sunil the little master, Nino the Penfold lookalike, and Hunchman who I hadn't met previously, as well as Pulpstar who I somehow thought I had met before, but hadn't!
What UKIP need to cause havoc for her, and Labour, in May 2015 is a candidate from a working class background, whose family hail from Islington back when it was a dump, who supports the local football team, is comfortable hanging out in trendy Upper St or "vibrant" Pentonville Rd. Someone who has worked in the City, in Brighton, lived in North London...
100/1 Get on
When does the selection meeting take place?
8th Jan... I have the hustings list if you'd like me to forward it on?
What UKIP need to cause havoc for her, and Labour, in May 2015 is a candidate from a working class background, whose family hail from Islington back when it was a dump, who supports the local football team, is comfortable hanging out in trendy Upper St or "vibrant" Pentonville Rd. Someone who has worked in the City, in Brighton, lived in North London...
100/1 Get on
When does the selection meeting take place?
8th Jan... I have the hustings list if you'd like me to forward it on?
What a complete mess Ed has made, again. By sacking Thornberry, people haven't suddenly thought "God he's so tough" (which is what he was clearly hoping for), it's simply convinced people that Thornberry WAS sneering at people which rebounds on the whole party.
TSE's figures wrong. You always quote changes on the last published polls from that pollster which we had on PB on Tuesday.
Opinium have pulled Tuesday's poll from their website.
Do you want the data tables from Tuesday's poll for elbow, I downloaded the PDF.
Thanks very much, that would be nice for reference. I asked around on Wiki and somebody fortunately had recorded sample sizes for the parties, so the data is already in ELBOW but obviously the original tables would be great to double-check them!
Great cartoon Marf. Lovely evening meeting so many PBers again.
Do PBers have v early bedtimes? I got there about a quarter to nine and seem to have missed almost everyone
I left there at about 8.30 as had somewhere else to go on to. Would have been nice to have seen you again.
Alas!
All the same it was nice to meet Sunil the little master, Nino the Penfold lookalike, and Hunchman who I hadn't met previously, as well as Pulpstar who I somehow thought I had met before, but hadn't!
Not sure I actually look like Sachin! He's far better looking than me (joke!)
But you seemed to remind of Edward Burns, wot played the soldier who nearly mutinied against Tom Hanks in "Saving Private Ryan"
What a complete mess Ed has made, again. By sacking Thornberry, people haven't suddenly thought "God he's so tough" (which is what he was clearly hoping for), it's simply convinced people that Thornberry WAS sneering at people which rebounds on the whole party.
What a complete mess Ed has made, again. By sacking Thornberry, people haven't suddenly thought "God he's so tough" (which is what he was clearly hoping for), it's simply convinced people that Thornberry WAS sneering at people which rebounds on the whole party.
That is true, by sacking Thornberry at the night of the by-election he made the sacking the issue of the day and not the Tory defeat. He should have waited at least a few days.
Great cartoon Marf. Lovely evening meeting so many PBers again.
Do PBers have v early bedtimes? I got there about a quarter to nine and seem to have missed almost everyone
I think I was there until about 9.20pm. I must have missed you?
I had to leave to rendezvous with my wife at Waterloo; we both live in rural Hampshire. Time-keeping isn't her strong suit, though, so I ended up sitting in the pub for 40 minutes nursing a Peroni waiting for her.
What a complete mess Ed has made, again. By sacking Thornberry, people haven't suddenly thought "God he's so tough" (which is what he was clearly hoping for), it's simply convinced people that Thornberry WAS sneering at people which rebounds on the whole party.
Because she was. Her whole day out to the zoo trip attitude afterwards confirmed it.
If this is anything like correct, Opinium must be complete rubbish
Scottish Westminster Poll (Survation): SNP - 46% LAB - 24% CON - 17% LDEM - 6%
Still if it saves Ed, so be it
The Scottish polls do look as if they are stuck in a post indyref phase.
In part SLABs demise must be catch up for the static position of 2010. It will be interesting to see how popular Sturgeon is when she is on the box as FM continuously.
The poll above adds to 93%. Were the others Green, kipper or Socialist? If so are there localised areas of support for them?
Flag-Gate is still on the front pages of the Observer. The media over-react to a single tweet these days really is nuts, while I bet you any money there are grubby goings on that are far more serious.
If this is anything like correct, Opinium must be complete rubbish
Scottish Westminster Poll (Survation): SNP - 46% LAB - 24% CON - 17% LDEM - 6%
Still if it saves Ed, so be it
The Scottish polls do look as if they are stuck in a post indyref phase.
In part SLABs demise must be catch up for the static position of 2010. It will be interesting to see how popular Sturgeon is when she is on the box as FM continuously.
The poll above adds to 93%. Were the others Green, kipper or Socialist? If so are there localised areas of support for them?
The SNP held a rally in Glasgow's Hydro arena this afternoon which was packed out and apparently lasted for hours judging by journalist Tom Gordon's tweets all afternoon.
I think I read somewhere that before Waterloo the duke of Wellington was asked what he thought of their troops, and answered something like "I don't know about the enemy, but by gum they frighten the heck out of me"
parenthetical comment: number 400 and time for a drink.
Great cartoon Marf. Lovely evening meeting so many PBers again.
Do PBers have v early bedtimes? I got there about a quarter to nine and seem to have missed almost everyone
I think I was there until about 9.20pm. I must have missed you?
I had to leave to rendezvous with my wife at Waterloo; we both live in rural Hampshire. Time-keeping isn't her strong suit, though, so I ended up sitting in the pub for 40 minutes nursing a Peroni waiting for her.
@Tim_B has the best living arrangements - he lives with Heidi who has her own double bedroom. And his wife lives in another house. Perfect. Heidi is a German Shepherd and a very fine looking lady too.
Great cartoon Marf. Lovely evening meeting so many PBers again.
Do PBers have v early bedtimes? I got there about a quarter to nine and seem to have missed almost everyone
I think I was there until about 9.20pm. I must have missed you?
I had to leave to rendezvous with my wife at Waterloo; we both live in rural Hampshire. Time-keeping isn't her strong suit, though, so I ended up sitting in the pub for 40 minutes nursing a Peroni waiting for her.
We didn't actually get home until midnight.
Nice to meet you last night, Casino!
Nice to meet you too, Sunil. Remember to try out the Island Line! ;-)
Not sure that I agree with Ed Miliband's 'anger'over the tweet. In my opinion the Cross of St George now carries a far-right connotation over and above its English origin. Nothing wrong with a white van or the bemused owner.However the juxtaposition of man, van and flag is packed with meaning.The word disrespectful was meaningless in this context, it was an'image from Rochester' which was hijacked in predictable fashion by the manipulators of The Sun.Thornberry probably thought that the image carried far more messages than her neutral tweet betrayed.She should not have resigned.
The SNP held a rally in Glasgow's Hydro arena this afternoon which was packed out and apparently lasted for hours judging by journalist Tom Gordon's tweets all afternoon.
@mrobertson_1: People saying they've never seen anything like the #SNPtour today at the Hydro. I have. Neil Kinnock. Sheffield. Rally. Hubris. Defeat...
Neck and neck on YouGov 33%. Re. Opinium, we should remember that 30% is not too shabby for the Conservatives from them as they often have the Tories in the 20's.
What UKIP need to cause havoc for her, and Labour, in May 2015 is a candidate from a working class background, whose family hail from Islington back when it was a dump, who supports the local football team, is comfortable hanging out in trendy Upper St or "vibrant" Pentonville Rd. Someone who has worked in the City, in Brighton, lived in North London...
100/1 Get on
If only we could think of someone, eh?
Thanks again Steve for sorting out the Dirty Dick's meet!
Not sure that I agree with Ed Miliband's 'anger'over the tweet. In my opinion the Cross of St George now carries a far-right connotation over and above its English origin. Nothing wrong with a white van or the bemused owner.However the juxtaposition of man, van and flag is packed with meaning.The word disrespectful was meaningless in this context, it was an'image from Rochester' which was hijacked in predictable fashion by the manipulators of The Sun.Thornberry probably thought that the image carried far more messages than her neutral tweet betrayed.She should not have resigned.
You're right - that is what many left-wing Labourites actually believe - your leader recognised this because it mirrors his own views. His 'anger' was as synthetic as the nonsense about 'respect' when you see a white van! You have no understanding of many w/c voters and you despise those you claim to represent because they think differently to you. The genie is out of the bottle.
Not sure that I agree with Ed Miliband's 'anger'over the tweet. In my opinion the Cross of St George now carries a far-right connotation over and above its English origin. Nothing wrong with a white van or the bemused owner.However the juxtaposition of man, van and flag is packed with meaning.The word disrespectful was meaningless in this context, it was an'image from Rochester' which was hijacked in predictable fashion by the manipulators of The Sun.Thornberry probably thought that the image carried far more messages than her neutral tweet betrayed.She should not have resigned.
Both polls showing just 1% 'boost' for UKIP. Nothing much has changed but it's a real boost for the tories given they ought to have been having a terrible w/e after Rochester. #Thanx be2ed.
Early days for yougov, we will see the full impact (if there's any) of Thursday's events by Monday night.
By the way we are talking all the time about UKIP but in Ireland they are going through something of a poll tax moment over water taxation, 2 weeks ago the government was afraid of a trotskyite revolution: https://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2014/11/11/a-td-writes-on-trotskyists-water-charges-bin-charges-this-and-that/ "Bliss was it that Saturday to be on the march. But to be in the Trotskyist Vanguard was very heaven. The people had risen. From the factories and the farms they came in their thousands. Revolution was in the air. The government was on the run and the national broadcaster was acting as recruiting sergeant."
Both polls showing just 1% 'boost' for UKIP. Nothing much has changed but it's a real boost for the tories given they ought to have been having a terrible w/e after Rochester. #Thanx be2ed.
Opinium was done before the result was known, and the fieldwork for YouGov was Thurs-Fri, so there is only a partial "Rochester effect".
#sundaytimes#yougov 28% of UKIP voters rate chance of voting Tory at 5/10 or more.If Ukip decline Tories are a little more likely to benefit
Equivalent to 4.5% on national VI
And the 15% to Labour worth 2%, so net 2.5% for the Tories. So if (IF) UKIP deflates along those lines then the 33/33 result will become 35/37. Not much of a fuss since Labour would still be largest party with that result.
Both polls showing just 1% 'boost' for UKIP. Nothing much has changed but it's a real boost for the tories given they ought to have been having a terrible w/e after Rochester. #Thanx be2ed.
Usually by-election effects are seen by yougov on Monday or Tuesday at the latest.
Both polls showing just 1% 'boost' for UKIP. Nothing much has changed but it's a real boost for the tories given they ought to have been having a terrible w/e after Rochester. #Thanx be2ed.
Even by my standards that's a decent piece of Tory spinning
I never really thought Rochester would have much impact on anyone outside. It's too dark, too close to Christmas and there are just too many other distractions, not least Strictly, X-factor and I'm a Celebrity, to make a local by election in a distant corner of the Isles of much interest. The fact that the result was slightly nondescript in some ways (no offence to kippers) only fuels that feeling.
It's all MoE and little change, and probably will remain so now until February.
#sundaytimes#yougov 28% of UKIP voters rate chance of voting Tory at 5/10 or more.If Ukip decline Tories are a little more likely to benefit
Equivalent to 4.5% on national VI
And the 15% to Labour worth 2%, so net 2.5% for the Tories. So if (IF) UKIP deflates along those lines then the 33/33 result will become 35/37. Not much of a fuss since Labour would still be largest party with that result.
While actual votes counted always seem to understate the Tories by 2 or 3%.
The Tories however are unlikely to get 37% but equally Labour can only dream of 35%. It seems much more likely that they will be lucky to outperform 2010.
Yes, a good poll for the Tories from a top pollster, which further reinforces the indication that they have now caught Labour in terms of GE Voting Intention. To win an outright majority, the Blues now have to win over from the Reds an average of approximately 0.6% per month over the next 6 months. A big ask certainly, but probably not a great deal more than they have achieved over the past six months.
And the 15% to Labour worth 2%, so net 2.5% for the Tories. So if (IF) UKIP deflates along those lines then the 33/33 result will become 35/37. Not much of a fuss since Labour would still be largest party with that result.
That would be the Yougov poll result, not the election one.
You'd then need to add on Yougov's level of error compared to real elections with the two parties.
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Many thanks to the PBers who bought me drinks last night.
Many thanks to Neil for the pre DD cocktails, the venue being a former public toilet that Oscar Wilde was arrested at for Cottaging.
Good to be able to put a few more faces to names too. Thanks to everybody who supported the event.
TSE's figures wrong. You always quote changes on the last published polls from that pollster which we had on PB on Tuesday.What UKIP need to cause havoc for her, and Labour, in May 2015 is a candidate from a working class background, whose family hail from Islington back when it was a dump, who supports the local football team, is comfortable hanging out in trendy Upper St or "vibrant" Pentonville Rd. Someone who has worked in the City, in Brighton, lived in North London...
100/1 Get on
It was a privilege to meet Marf too, who was totally charming.
All the same it was nice to meet Sunil the little master, Nino the Penfold lookalike, and Hunchman who I hadn't met previously, as well as Pulpstar who I somehow thought I had met before, but hadn't!
After tonight's Opinium, are we likely to see the Tories in the 20s before long ? Will Labour be joining them ?
But you seemed to remind of Edward Burns, wot played the soldier who nearly mutinied against Tom Hanks in "Saving Private Ryan"
http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/sites/ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/files/vi_18_11_2014.pdf
"New UKIP MP Mark Reckless has said he feels "a bit sore" about the way he "came out of" controversy over his party's policy on EU migrants.
He was criticised after implying that migrants might have to leave after a "transitional period" if the UK left the EU - which Nigel Farage denied.
Mr Reckless told the Times the UKIP leader had changed the party's policy."
Will Farage have to start conversing with his MPs now, or is UKIP policy whatever Nigel says it is?
He should have waited at least a few days.
I had to leave to rendezvous with my wife at Waterloo; we both live in rural Hampshire. Time-keeping isn't her strong suit, though, so I ended up sitting in the pub for 40 minutes nursing a Peroni waiting for her.
We didn't actually get home until midnight.
Scottish Westminster Poll (Survation):
SNP - 46%
LAB - 24%
CON - 17%
LDEM - 6%
Still if it saves Ed, so be it
By the way, who's the poodle?
In part SLABs demise must be catch up for the static position of 2010. It will be interesting to see how popular Sturgeon is when she is on the box as FM continuously.
The poll above adds to 93%. Were the others Green, kipper or Socialist? If so are there localised areas of support for them?
http://labourlist.org/2014/11/its-ukip-that-offends-working-class-sentiment/
parenthetical comment: number 400 and time for a drink.
National Opinion Poll (YouGov):
CON - 33% (-1)
LAB - 33% (-)
UKIP - 16% (+1)
LDEM - 7% (-)
GRN - 6% (-)
#sundaytimes #yougov Looking ahead 52% of UKIP voters say they're certain to vote Ukip in election, same as Tories but less certain than Lab
charles hymas @charleshymas
#sundaytimes #yougov 15% of current UKIP voters rate their chances of voting Labour come the general election at 5/10 or more
charles hymas@charleshymas
#sundaytimes#yougov 28% of UKIP voters rate chance of voting Tory at 5/10 or more.If Ukip decline Tories are a little more likely to benefit
2/3rds of voters going for the big two.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/gordon-brown-set-resign-within-4676956
@Khyberman: #MilibandPointAndTax http://t.co/iKmKoGCo45
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/22/nigel-farage-is-a-coward-and-cameron-and-miliband-are-too-gutless
Hmm. Had the Left not regarded UKIP as such a jolly jape when they only appeared to be taking votes off the Tories I might have a bit more sympathy.
#Thanx be2ed.
By the way we are talking all the time about UKIP but in Ireland they are going through something of a poll tax moment over water taxation, 2 weeks ago the government was afraid of a trotskyite revolution:
https://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2014/11/11/a-td-writes-on-trotskyists-water-charges-bin-charges-this-and-that/
"Bliss was it that Saturday to be on the march. But to be in the Trotskyist Vanguard was very heaven. The people had risen. From the factories and the farms they came in their thousands. Revolution was in the air. The government was on the run and the national broadcaster was acting as recruiting sergeant."
And today another poll another hit for the irish government:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-2845653/Irish-PMs-party-popularity-hit-water-levy-protests-poll.html
So if (IF) UKIP deflates along those lines then the 33/33 result will become 35/37.
Not much of a fuss since Labour would still be largest party with that result.
I never really thought Rochester would have much impact on anyone outside. It's too dark, too close to Christmas and there are just too many other distractions, not least Strictly, X-factor and I'm a Celebrity, to make a local by election in a distant corner of the Isles of much interest. The fact that the result was slightly nondescript in some ways (no offence to kippers) only fuels that feeling.
It's all MoE and little change, and probably will remain so now until February.
The Tories however are unlikely to get 37% but equally Labour can only dream of 35%. It seems much more likely that they will be lucky to outperform 2010.
You'd then need to add on Yougov's level of error compared to real elections with the two parties.
#CameronMustGo is the no. 1 on Twitter right now