Starmer is expected to be better than Johnson et al – politicalbetting.com

System · April 19

Starmer is expected to be better than Johnson et al – politicalbetting.com

New @YouGov poll shows voters think Starmer will be a better PM than Truss, Johnson, Sunak.Worse than Blair. Same or worse than Brown/Cameron.?Politics Without The Boring Bits?https://t.co/YcKI1gz6Yy from 10am?Podcast https://t.co/TZLQPzUm2V pic.twitter.com/5DGAtyTouS

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Scott_xP · April 19

unlikely first

SeaShantyIrish2 · April 19

Scott_xP said:
unlikely first

I demand a recount!

Scott_xP · April 19

@Phil_Lewis_

Tesla is recalling all 3,878 Cybertrucks that it has shipped to date, due to a problem where the accelerator pedal can get stuck, putting drivers at risk of a crash

williamglenn · April 19

Labour’s campaign slogan: “boot them out”

TheScreamingEagles · April 19

Scott_xP said:
@Phil_Lewis_

Tesla is recalling all 3,878 Cybertrucks that it has shipped to date, due to a problem where the accelerator pedal can get stuck, putting drivers at risk of a crash

I was thinking about getting a Cybertruck.

williamglenn · April 19

Scott_xP said:
@Phil_Lewis_

Tesla is recalling all 3,878 Cybertrucks that it has shipped to date, due to a problem where the accelerator pedal can get stuck, putting drivers at risk of a crash

They could rebrand them as mobile battery packs.

TheScreamingEagles · April 19

100% agree.

a guy got removed from our flight today and it's incredible how much it brought us all together. they should kick one person off every flight to build cohesion and morale for the passengers and crew. they can be a paid actor or whatever, they just have to cause a scene

https://twitter.com/thomas_violence/status/1781180257120534596

Northern_Al · April 19

williamglenn said:
Labour’s campaign slogan: “boot them out”

Cowboy Keir.

WillG · April 19

williamglenn said:
Labour’s campaign slogan: “boot them out”

He looks ridiculous.

Scott_xP · April 19

TheScreamingEagles said:

Scott_xP said:
@Phil_Lewis_

Tesla is recalling all 3,878 Cybertrucks that it has shipped to date, due to a problem where the accelerator pedal can get stuck, putting drivers at risk of a crash
I was thinking about getting a Cybertruck.

In Sheffield?

https://t.co/HrctRajtsC

NickyBreakspear · April 19

The weekly average is back again. No real movement since before Easter.

The Reform increase in the polls has plateaued over the past month.

Selebian · April 19

30% of all voters would be satisfied with a Con victory?

That's much higher than most polls have for Con voting intention - interesting that. Is there hope of squeezing a good chunk of e.g. Refuk afterall?

Nigelb · April 19

TheScreamingEagles said:

Scott_xP said:
@Phil_Lewis_

Tesla is recalling all 3,878 Cybertrucks that it has shipped to date, due to a problem where the accelerator pedal can get stuck, putting drivers at risk of a crash
I was thinking about getting a Cybertruck.

You can't drive them on public roads over here.

boulay · April 19

williamglenn said:
Labour’s campaign slogan: “boot them out”

Don’t worry Angela, we’ll keep trying every door until we find your house.

Selebian · April 19

WillG said:

williamglenn said:
Labour’s campaign slogan: “boot them out”

He looks ridiculous.

I have a pair of boots not dissimilar (visually at least, but scruffier and with steel toe caps and sole protection) but I wear them only with builder's trousers and some scraggy old t-shirt or jumper when doing mucky/hazardous jobs outside.

Perhaps Starmer feels he needs protection in case he has to meet a voter or something?

Nigelb · April 19

Scott_xP said:
@Phil_Lewis_

Tesla is recalling all 3,878 Cybertrucks that it has shipped to date, due to a problem where the accelerator pedal can get stuck, putting drivers at risk of a crash

I noted that a week back.
It has a poorly secured flimsy-ass cover which can slide forward and get caught under the carpeting. And the stainless steel rusts.

What with their rumoured cancellation of a cheaper model (which basically cedes the mass market to competitors for the next few years), I wouldn't touch the stock.

TimS · April 19

Starmer seems to have got himself into the "he'll do" box. The reliable middle aged man with a solid career who's not particularly exciting and whilst he scrubs up reasonably well you wouldn't have looked twice at him in your 20s. But he'll be a good father to your children and won't run off with someone else like the last toerag did.

Selebian · April 19

williamglenn said:
Labour’s campaign slogan: “boot them out”

Labour leadership takes unexpected turn to the left?

LostPassword · April 19

TheScreamingEagles said:
100% agree.

a guy got removed from our flight today and it's incredible how much it brought us all together. they should kick one person off every flight to build cohesion and morale for the passengers and crew. they can be a paid actor or whatever, they just have to cause a scene

https://twitter.com/thomas_violence/status/1781180257120534596

Use of a scapegoat is often derided as being unedifying victimisation, but perhaps there's something in it.

Leon · April 19

Excellent oysters at Sheekeys. Two dozen natives, Irish, and Fines de Claires. With a friend who, it turns out, is dating someone rather famous

He's also ex SAS and has friends out in Ukraine and they say Ukraine is going to lose

TimS · April 19

NickyBreakspear said:
The weekly average is back again. No real movement since before Easter.

The Reform increase in the polls has plateaued over the past month.

Always interesting to look at the obvious mirror patterns where there are negative correlations between parties. Ref-Con is obvious, but eyeball statistical analysis tells me there's also a clearly perceptible Ref-LD swing pattern. The NOTA voter swing. It implies that if Reform decline closer to the election the Lib Dems might benefit. Also likely the case in the locals.

Mexicanpete · April 19

williamglenn said:
Labour’s campaign slogan: “boot them out”

Rigger boots for the son of a toolmaker! They do look like he means business. Far more practical than TSE's harlequin loafers.

Has the woman on the left politely requested those two trespassers to "get off my land, and don't come back"?

TimS · April 19

Leon said:
Excellent oysters at Sheekeys. Two dozen natives, Irish, and Fines de Claires. With a friend who, it turns out, is dating someone rather famous

He's also ex SAS and has friends out in Ukraine and they say Ukraine is going to lose

The only time I had a moderately edible razor clam was at Sheekeys. All other occasions they've been rubbery and squeaky like gritty calamari.

Pulpstar · April 19

Starmer really needs a hi-viz, construction hat and to be at a building site for those boots.

Leon · April 19

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:
Labour’s campaign slogan: “boot them out”

Rigger boots for the son of a toolmaker! They do look like he means business. Far more practical than TSE's harlequin loafers.

Has the woman on the left politely requested those two trespassers to "get off my land, and don't come back"?

It looks like a frame from Reservoir Dogs remade by a young David Lynch, using circus freaks

Nigelb · April 19

WillG said:

williamglenn said:
Labour’s campaign slogan: “boot them out”

He looks ridiculous.

Unless he's just been told about the local arse kicking contest.

Anabobazina · April 19

Leon said:
Excellent oysters at Sheekeys. Two dozen natives, Irish, and Fines de Claires. With a friend who, it turns out, is dating someone rather famous

He's also ex SAS and has friends out in Ukraine and they say Ukraine is going to lose

The like was for the oysters. I had a corking dozen last time I was down there. Love that place.

Stuartinromford · April 19

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:
Labour’s campaign slogan: “boot them out”

Rigger boots for the son of a toolmaker! They do look like he means business. Far more practical than TSE's harlequin loafers.

Has the woman on the left politely requested those two trespassers to "get off my land, and don't come back"?
It looks like a frame from Reservoir Dogs remade by a young David Lynch, using circus freaks

Though imagine Rishi, Jeremy and Oliver trying to pull of the same look.

Or rather, don't.

Often, being least bad is enough.

Mexicanpete · April 19

Leon said:
Excellent oysters at Sheekeys. Two dozen natives, Irish, and Fines de Claires. With a friend who, it turns out, is dating someone rather famous

He's also ex SAS and has friends out in Ukraine and they say Ukraine is going to lose

**** me, I keep accidentally tuning in to the musings of the love child of William Hickey and Lord Haw Haw.

Leon · April 19

TimS said:

Leon said:
Excellent oysters at Sheekeys. Two dozen natives, Irish, and Fines de Claires. With a friend who, it turns out, is dating someone rather famous

He's also ex SAS and has friends out in Ukraine and they say Ukraine is going to lose
The only time I had a moderately edible razor clam was at Sheekeys. All other occasions they've been rubbery and squeaky like gritty calamari.

Razor clams can be lovely. The best way to eat them is when they are tiny, fried in garlic lemon and parsley, little baby ones. They do it in the Veneto. Mmmmyum

Stuartinromford · April 19

TimS said:
Starmer seems to have got himself into the "he'll do" box. The reliable middle aged man with a solid career who's not particularly exciting and whilst he scrubs up reasonably well you wouldn't have looked twice at him in your 20s. But he'll be a good father to your children and won't run off with someone else like the last toerag did.

Hasn't that always been his box? Including when he took over the Labour leadership?

Anabobazina · April 19

"Better than Boris or Liz" is the epitome of damning by faint praise.

Leon · April 19

Mexicanpete said:

Leon said:
Excellent oysters at Sheekeys. Two dozen natives, Irish, and Fines de Claires. With a friend who, it turns out, is dating someone rather famous

He's also ex SAS and has friends out in Ukraine and they say Ukraine is going to lose
**** me, I keep accidentally tuning in to the musings of the love child of William Hickey and Lord Haw Haw.

Well he really is an ex soldier, he has spent months in Ukraine doing security, and he has military colleagues out there right now and they tell him - quite neutrally - that Ukraine is likely to lose, from this point. They reckon that even if the US ammo and artillery arrives, it is probably too late. Putin will attack and bomb Ukraine into suing for a peace that suits Putin. That's what he predicts based on the verdicts of his army buddies presently in Ukraine, and he is better informed than - probably - anyone on this forum (including me)

TimS · April 19

Stuartinromford said:

TimS said:
Starmer seems to have got himself into the "he'll do" box. The reliable middle aged man with a solid career who's not particularly exciting and whilst he scrubs up reasonably well you wouldn't have looked twice at him in your 20s. But he'll be a good father to your children and won't run off with someone else like the last toerag did.
Hasn't that always been his box? Including when he took over the Labour leadership?

I think there was a time when people had hopes he might be more like Mark Darcy to Boris's Daniel Cleaver. He's more Harold Bishop to the electorate's Madge these days.

boulay · April 19

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:
Labour’s campaign slogan: “boot them out”

Rigger boots for the son of a toolmaker! They do look like he means business. Far more practical than TSE's harlequin loafers.

Has the woman on the left politely requested those two trespassers to "get off my land, and don't come back"?

I’m looking forward to all the Comment pieces in Builder’s weekly and Navvies Express bemoaning Starmer wearing these boots and making them so uncool.

kinabalu · April 19

This is good stuff from the public. Last thing we want is people expecting miracles but neither do we want them all down in the dumps thinking things will be no better with a brand new, fired up Labour government full of competence and integrity. Guarded optimism is where the mood should be imo and it sounds like it is.

TimS · April 19

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:

Leon said:
Excellent oysters at Sheekeys. Two dozen natives, Irish, and Fines de Claires. With a friend who, it turns out, is dating someone rather famous

He's also ex SAS and has friends out in Ukraine and they say Ukraine is going to lose
**** me, I keep accidentally tuning in to the musings of the love child of William Hickey and Lord Haw Haw.
Well he really is an ex soldier, he has spent months in Ukraine doing security, and he has military colleagues out there right now and they tell him - quite neutrally - that Ukraine is likely to lose, from this point. They reckon that even if the US ammo and artillery arrives, it is probably too late. Putin will attack and bomb Ukraine into suing for a peace that suits Putin. That's what he predicts based on the verdicts of his army buddies presently in Ukraine, and he is better informed than - probably - anyone on this forum (including me)

Certainly the reports coming from Ukraine at the moment are pretty grim. But, if this is consolation, they do somewhat remind me of the downbeat reports coming from Russian units and Wagner when they were running out of ammunition in 2023.

Anabobazina · April 19

TRUSS.

Leon · April 19

Anabobazina said:

Leon said:
Excellent oysters at Sheekeys. Two dozen natives, Irish, and Fines de Claires. With a friend who, it turns out, is dating someone rather famous

He's also ex SAS and has friends out in Ukraine and they say Ukraine is going to lose
The like was for the oysters. I had a corking dozen last time I was down there. Love that place.

I think it is probably my favourite restaurant in the world. I've been going there for decades, it is reliably good, and I adore oysters (and all seafood, but especially oysters). I feel an instant sense of peace as I sit at the bar (always sit at the bar!), then they pour the Albarino, someone arrives with the crusty bread, then come the little wild boar sausages and the mighty platter, a dozen on the half shell, gleaming in the afternoon light, the happy chatter all around, a good friend with good gossip, you dab some Tabasco or some mignonette, the first one slips down your throat.... the salt and savour and zinc and the sea!

Ahhhhhhh. That is happiness. It is stuff like that which makes London hard to entirely leave, despite the Satanic new climate

Mexicanpete · April 19

TheScreamingEagles said:

Scott_xP said:
@Phil_Lewis_

Tesla is recalling all 3,878 Cybertrucks that it has shipped to date, due to a problem where the accelerator pedal can get stuck, putting drivers at risk of a crash
I was thinking about getting a Cybertruck.

Robert Earnshaw used to drive a big **** off Hummer around these parts.

The $1 accelerator pedal cover that keeps catching on the carpet shows Musk for the cheapskate he is. Remember too, stainless steel means it "stains less" as opposed to doesn't rust. So charging an optional $5,000 for a lacquer coat to prevent the Cybertruck from disintegrating into a pile of rust on your drive is very Austin Allegro.

Steer clear.

TimS · April 19

Leon said:

TimS said:

Leon said:
Excellent oysters at Sheekeys. Two dozen natives, Irish, and Fines de Claires. With a friend who, it turns out, is dating someone rather famous

He's also ex SAS and has friends out in Ukraine and they say Ukraine is going to lose
The only time I had a moderately edible razor clam was at Sheekeys. All other occasions they've been rubbery and squeaky like gritty calamari.
Razor clams can be lovely. The best way to eat them is when they are tiny, fried in garlic lemon and parsley, little baby ones. They do it in the Veneto. Mmmmyum

That's probably been my problem. Razor clams that were too big and grown up.

I had barnacles once in the Azores. Giant ones obviously, but recognisably barnacles like you'd scrape off a boat's hull or a whale's back. They were absolutely delicious.

Leon · April 19

TimS said:

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:

Leon said:
Excellent oysters at Sheekeys. Two dozen natives, Irish, and Fines de Claires. With a friend who, it turns out, is dating someone rather famous

He's also ex SAS and has friends out in Ukraine and they say Ukraine is going to lose
**** me, I keep accidentally tuning in to the musings of the love child of William Hickey and Lord Haw Haw.
Well he really is an ex soldier, he has spent months in Ukraine doing security, and he has military colleagues out there right now and they tell him - quite neutrally - that Ukraine is likely to lose, from this point. They reckon that even if the US ammo and artillery arrives, it is probably too late. Putin will attack and bomb Ukraine into suing for a peace that suits Putin. That's what he predicts based on the verdicts of his army buddies presently in Ukraine, and he is better informed than - probably - anyone on this forum (including me)
Certainly the reports coming from Ukraine at the moment are pretty grim. But, if this is consolation, they do somewhat remind me of the downbeat reports coming from Russian units and Wagner when they were running out of ammunition in 2023.

Yes. I should clarify he doesn't think putin is about to seize Kyiv or Odessa. Attack in this war is as hard for the Russians as it is for Ukrainians. This is a war which favours defenders, the technology has evolved that way

He told me that his friend toured the Russian front line during the Ukrainian counter offensive. He said the Russian defences were ten kilometres deep with multiple different trench networks and drones always hovering, and they hds laid so many mines it stretched creduilty: his friend estimated every square metre had three mines, on average. some tiny and impossible to detect. No one can attack across that, and Ukraine should not have tried, they lost so many men in a futile quest

But Russia will find it equally hard the other way. So my pal's prediction is that Russia will shell and bomb Ukraine - from a distance - until the Ukrainians seek a truce, and Putin will get to keep what he's got. For now

kinabalu · April 19

Stuartinromford said:

TimS said:
Starmer seems to have got himself into the "he'll do" box. The reliable middle aged man with a solid career who's not particularly exciting and whilst he scrubs up reasonably well you wouldn't have looked twice at him in your 20s. But he'll be a good father to your children and won't run off with someone else like the last toerag did.
Hasn't that always been his box? Including when he took over the Labour leadership?

Starmer has cleared the bar of "Can people picture him as PM?" (yes)

The last 2 Labour leaders didn't manage this for one reason or another.

Anabobazina · April 19

Leon said:

Anabobazina said:

Leon said:
Excellent oysters at Sheekeys. Two dozen natives, Irish, and Fines de Claires. With a friend who, it turns out, is dating someone rather famous

He's also ex SAS and has friends out in Ukraine and they say Ukraine is going to lose
The like was for the oysters. I had a corking dozen last time I was down there. Love that place.
I think it is probably my favourite restaurant in the world. I've been going there for decades, it is reliably good, and I adore oysters (and all seafood, but especially oysters). I feel an instant sense of peace as I sit at the bar (always sit at the bar!), then they pour the Albarino, someone arrives with the crusty bread, then come the little wild boar sausages and the mighty platter, a dozen on the half shell, gleaming in the afternoon light, the happy chatter all around, a good friend with good gossip, you dab some Tabasco or some mignonette, the first one slips down your throat.... the salt and savour and zinc and the sea!

Ahhhhhhh. That is happiness. It is stuff like that which makes London hard to entirely leave, despite the Satanic new climate

The food is reliably good but it's the atmosphere of the place that makes it. Always a vibe

Leon · April 19

TimS said:

Leon said:

TimS said:

Leon said:
Excellent oysters at Sheekeys. Two dozen natives, Irish, and Fines de Claires. With a friend who, it turns out, is dating someone rather famous

He's also ex SAS and has friends out in Ukraine and they say Ukraine is going to lose
The only time I had a moderately edible razor clam was at Sheekeys. All other occasions they've been rubbery and squeaky like gritty calamari.
Razor clams can be lovely. The best way to eat them is when they are tiny, fried in garlic lemon and parsley, little baby ones. They do it in the Veneto. Mmmmyum
That's probably been my problem. Razor clams that were too big and grown up.

I had barnacles once in the Azores. Giant ones obviously, but recognisably barnacles like you'd scrape off a boat's hull or a whale's back. They were absolutely delicious.

This is exactly where I had them. In Chioggia, and they were tiny, and briskly fried. Exquisite

"The first time I ate razor clams was as a child on holiday in Chioggia, near Venice, and it's a flavour that has stayed with me since that first awe-inspiring plateful. They're usually sold in bunches, with an elastic band holding them tightly together to prevent the foot and the siphon coming out of the shells. Unlike all other clams, razor clams permanently gape open at both ends - a good way to tell if they're fresh is to tickle the foot, which should retract straight away; if there is no sign of life, don't buy them.

I love these clams, and enjoy cooking them in many ways. The very small ones we used to have in Chioggia were eaten raw with some lemon juice or, as they do in the Orkneys, grilled for a minute or so, maybe with some herbs and lemon or breadcrumbs."

MMMM

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2006/oct/07/foodanddrink.shopping4

Mexicanpete · April 19

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:

Leon said:
Excellent oysters at Sheekeys. Two dozen natives, Irish, and Fines de Claires. With a friend who, it turns out, is dating someone rather famous

He's also ex SAS and has friends out in Ukraine and they say Ukraine is going to lose
**** me, I keep accidentally tuning in to the musings of the love child of William Hickey and Lord Haw Haw.
Well he really is an ex soldier, he has spent months in Ukraine doing security, and he has military colleagues out there right now and they tell him - quite neutrally - that Ukraine is likely to lose, from this point. They reckon that even if the US ammo and artillery arrives, it is probably too late. Putin will attack and bomb Ukraine into suing for a peace that suits Putin. That's what he predicts based on the verdicts of his army buddies presently in Ukraine, and he is better informed than - probably - anyone on this forum (including me)

Last time was was at Godwins in Bartestree the boys there were saying if we keep the ammunition coming the Ukrainians will do the business. If they run out of hardware and munitions that's when they are against the wall.

MattW · April 19

TimS said:

Leon said:

TimS said:

Leon said:
Excellent oysters at Sheekeys. Two dozen natives, Irish, and Fines de Claires. With a friend who, it turns out, is dating someone rather famous

He's also ex SAS and has friends out in Ukraine and they say Ukraine is going to lose
The only time I had a moderately edible razor clam was at Sheekeys. All other occasions they've been rubbery and squeaky like gritty calamari.
Razor clams can be lovely. The best way to eat them is when they are tiny, fried in garlic lemon and parsley, little baby ones. They do it in the Veneto. Mmmmyum
That's probably been my problem. Razor clams that were too big and grown up.

I had barnacles once in the Azores. Giant ones obviously, but recognisably barnacles like you'd scrape off a boat's hull or a whale's back. They were absolutely delicious.

The best way is to catch your own, and eat them on the beach.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tLY7eJM7ZA

I'm a bit far from the beach for that, but one thing Morrisons do do is frozen - and sometimes fresh, razor clams.

DecrepiterJohnL · April 19

While we are plugging Times podcasts, their investigative The Story series has a new one on Mark Menzies MP, the thinking man's Angela Rayner gate.

Investigation: The Tory MP who allegedly demanded campaign cash to pay ‘bad people’
The call came in the dead of night. “Are you on your own?” the man said. “I’ve got in with some bad people and they’ve locked me in a flat and they want £5,000 to release me.” The caller was Mark Menzies, the Conservative MP for Fylde in Lancashire. The Times investigation reveals a litany of allegations involving sex, drugs and a drunk dog. Mark Menzies disputes all the allegations, and says he “fully complied with all the rules for declarations.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/podcasts/the-story

Leon · April 19

Anabobazina said:

Leon said:

Anabobazina said:

Leon said:
Excellent oysters at Sheekeys. Two dozen natives, Irish, and Fines de Claires. With a friend who, it turns out, is dating someone rather famous

He's also ex SAS and has friends out in Ukraine and they say Ukraine is going to lose
The like was for the oysters. I had a corking dozen last time I was down there. Love that place.
I think it is probably my favourite restaurant in the world. I've been going there for decades, it is reliably good, and I adore oysters (and all seafood, but especially oysters). I feel an instant sense of peace as I sit at the bar (always sit at the bar!), then they pour the Albarino, someone arrives with the crusty bread, then come the little wild boar sausages and the mighty platter, a dozen on the half shell, gleaming in the afternoon light, the happy chatter all around, a good friend with good gossip, you dab some Tabasco or some mignonette, the first one slips down your throat.... the salt and savour and zinc and the sea!

Ahhhhhhh. That is happiness. It is stuff like that which makes London hard to entirely leave, despite the Satanic new climate
The food is reliably good but it's the atmosphere of the place that makes it. Always a vibe

Yes! There is a magic to the vibe

The seafood is actually better at Bentleys or Scotts, but Sheeks has that theatreland buzz

JosiasJessop · April 19

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:
Labour’s campaign slogan: “boot them out”

Rigger boots for the son of a toolmaker! They do look like he means business. Far more practical than TSE's harlequin loafers.

Has the woman on the left politely requested those two trespassers to "get off my land, and don't come back"?

Rigger boots? If he hasn't got the correct qualifications, surely they're dogging boots?

https://www.falconcranes.com.au/dogman-vs-rigger-whats-the-difference/

kinabalu · April 19

Mexicanpete said:

Leon said:
Excellent oysters at Sheekeys. Two dozen natives, Irish, and Fines de Claires. With a friend who, it turns out, is dating someone rather famous

He's also ex SAS and has friends out in Ukraine and they say Ukraine is going to lose
**** me, I keep accidentally tuning in to the musings of the love child of William Hickey and Lord Haw Haw.

It's a trial, isn't it. I'd normally run a mile but here I can't. I'm trapped. We all are.

williamglenn · April 19

JosiasJessop said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:
Labour’s campaign slogan: “boot them out”

Rigger boots for the son of a toolmaker! They do look like he means business. Far more practical than TSE's harlequin loafers.

Has the woman on the left politely requested those two trespassers to "get off my land, and don't come back"?
Rigger boots? If he hasn't got the correct qualifications, surely they're dogging boots?

https://www.falconcranes.com.au/dogman-vs-rigger-whats-the-difference/

Next he'll be wearing bovver boots as a dog whistle.

Leon · April 19

kinabalu said:

Mexicanpete said:

Leon said:
Excellent oysters at Sheekeys. Two dozen natives, Irish, and Fines de Claires. With a friend who, it turns out, is dating someone rather famous

He's also ex SAS and has friends out in Ukraine and they say Ukraine is going to lose
**** me, I keep accidentally tuning in to the musings of the love child of William Hickey and Lord Haw Haw.
It's a trial, isn't it. I'd normally run a mile but here I can't. I'm trapped. We all are.

I enjoyed your super-insecure and culturally nervous James Joyce joust with @TOPPING, if that's any help?

DavidL · April 19

williamglenn said:
Labour’s campaign slogan: “boot them out”

Please tell me that is a mock up and that he doesn't really wear boots like that.

And does Ange own both those houses or only 1 of them?

Mexicanpete · April 19

boulay said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:
Labour’s campaign slogan: “boot them out”

Rigger boots for the son of a toolmaker! They do look like he means business. Far more practical than TSE's harlequin loafers.

Has the woman on the left politely requested those two trespassers to "get off my land, and don't come back"?
I’m looking forward to all the Comment pieces in Builder’s weekly and Navvies Express bemoaning Starmer wearing these boots and making them so uncool.

I see your point. I am conflicted as to whether it works in a Utility Company Field Manager kind of way or not. It's definitely not a slam dunk Adidas Samba with an Yves St Laurent suit moment.

isam · April 19

Could there be a Pincher-esque scandal that Labour are hiding behind via a ‘long term inquiry’. Someone appointed to a senior position despite lots of rumours etc

Mexicanpete · April 19

JosiasJessop said:

Mexicanpete said:

williamglenn said:
Labour’s campaign slogan: “boot them out”

Rigger boots for the son of a toolmaker! They do look like he means business. Far more practical than TSE's harlequin loafers.

Has the woman on the left politely requested those two trespassers to "get off my land, and don't come back"?
Rigger boots? If he hasn't got the correct qualifications, surely they're dogging boots?

https://www.falconcranes.com.au/dogman-vs-rigger-whats-the-difference/

Hang on a minute, I'll just check with Stan Colleymore.

MattW · April 19

MattW said:

TimS said:

Leon said:

TimS said:

Leon said:
Excellent oysters at Sheekeys. Two dozen natives, Irish, and Fines de Claires. With a friend who, it turns out, is dating someone rather famous

He's also ex SAS and has friends out in Ukraine and they say Ukraine is going to lose
The only time I had a moderately edible razor clam was at Sheekeys. All other occasions they've been rubbery and squeaky like gritty calamari.
Razor clams can be lovely. The best way to eat them is when they are tiny, fried in garlic lemon and parsley, little baby ones. They do it in the Veneto. Mmmmyum
That's probably been my problem. Razor clams that were too big and grown up.

I had barnacles once in the Azores. Giant ones obviously, but recognisably barnacles like you'd scrape off a boat's hull or a whale's back. They were absolutely delicious.
The best way is to catch your own, and eat them on the beach.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tLY7eJM7ZA

I'm a bit far from the beach for that, but one thing Morrisons do do is frozen - and sometimes fresh, razor clams.

Trigger warning: Do not watch if Lloyd Evans; you may need to go for a massage.

TimS · April 19

DavidL said:

williamglenn said:
Labour’s campaign slogan: “boot them out”

Please tell me that is a mock up and that he doesn't really wear boots like that.

And does Ange own both those houses or only 1 of them?

The woman on the left is actually floating.

carnforth · April 19

TimS said:

Leon said:

TimS said:

Leon said:
Excellent oysters at Sheekeys. Two dozen natives, Irish, and Fines de Claires. With a friend who, it turns out, is dating someone rather famous

He's also ex SAS and has friends out in Ukraine and they say Ukraine is going to lose
The only time I had a moderately edible razor clam was at Sheekeys. All other occasions they've been rubbery and squeaky like gritty calamari.
Razor clams can be lovely. The best way to eat them is when they are tiny, fried in garlic lemon and parsley, little baby ones. They do it in the Veneto. Mmmmyum
That's probably been my problem. Razor clams that were too big and grown up.

I had barnacles once in the Azores. Giant ones obviously, but recognisably barnacles like you'd scrape off a boat's hull or a whale's back. They were absolutely delicious.

Always wanted to try them. Googling suggests:

Tinned:

https://www.thetinnedfishmarket.com/products/goose-barnacles

Fresh, but out of stock:

https://www.thefishsociety.co.uk/collections/goosenecks

bondegezou · April 19

isam said:
Could there be a Pincher-esque scandal that Labour are hiding behind via a ‘long term inquiry’. Someone appointed to a senior position despite lots of rumours etc

There could be lots of things.

Is there any evidence of something? No.

Mexicanpete · April 19

isam said:
Could there be a Pincher-esque scandal that Labour are hiding behind via a ‘long term inquiry’. Someone appointed to a senior position despite lots of rumours etc

You have to give more of a subtle hint than that.

Have you reported it to James Daly yet?

turbotubbs · April 19

williamglenn said:
Labour’s campaign slogan: “boot them out”

"So if you live at 62, but say you live at 60, how much shit will you get in in 10 years time?"

kinabalu · April 19

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Mexicanpete said:

Leon said:
Excellent oysters at Sheekeys. Two dozen natives, Irish, and Fines de Claires. With a friend who, it turns out, is dating someone rather famous

He's also ex SAS and has friends out in Ukraine and they say Ukraine is going to lose
**** me, I keep accidentally tuning in to the musings of the love child of William Hickey and Lord Haw Haw.
It's a trial, isn't it. I'd normally run a mile but here I can't. I'm trapped. We all are.
I enjoyed your super-insecure and culturally nervous James Joyce joust with @TOPPING, if that's any help?

Yes well who can blame me. People being snobby and supercilious and obnoxious. Wears you down.

JosiasJessop · April 19

turbotubbs said:

williamglenn said:
Labour’s campaign slogan: “boot them out”

"So if you live at 62, but say you live at 60, how much shit will you get in in 10 years time?"

I think it's a non-story, but I can still laugh about it...

Selebian · April 19

TimS said:

DavidL said:

williamglenn said:
Labour’s campaign slogan: “boot them out”

Please tell me that is a mock up and that he doesn't really wear boots like that.

And does Ange own both those houses or only 1 of them?
The woman on the left is actually floating.

Meeting SKS has that effect, I believe

carnforth · April 19

Starmer appears to have a semi in that picture. Not that I was looking, y'understand.

turbotubbs · April 19

JosiasJessop said:

turbotubbs said:

williamglenn said:
Labour’s campaign slogan: “boot them out”

"So if you live at 62, but say you live at 60, how much shit will you get in in 10 years time?"
I think it's a non-story, but I can still laugh about it...

It ought to be a non-story but an enormous amount of police time and money seems to be being spent on it. Apparently. I hope no-one in Manchester gets burgled and is told no-one is available...

Selebian · April 19

carnforth said:
Starmer appears to have a semi in that picture. Not that I was looking, y'understand.

Nah, they're terraced houses, I think

Leon · April 19

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Mexicanpete said:

Leon said:
Excellent oysters at Sheekeys. Two dozen natives, Irish, and Fines de Claires. With a friend who, it turns out, is dating someone rather famous

He's also ex SAS and has friends out in Ukraine and they say Ukraine is going to lose
**** me, I keep accidentally tuning in to the musings of the love child of William Hickey and Lord Haw Haw.
It's a trial, isn't it. I'd normally run a mile but here I can't. I'm trapped. We all are.
I enjoyed your super-insecure and culturally nervous James Joyce joust with @TOPPING, if that's any help?
Yes well who can blame me. People being snobby and supercilious and obnoxious. Wears you down.

It's just an online forum, don't let it get to you

JosiasJessop · April 19

turbotubbs said:

JosiasJessop said:

turbotubbs said:

williamglenn said:
Labour’s campaign slogan: “boot them out”

"So if you live at 62, but say you live at 60, how much shit will you get in in 10 years time?"
I think it's a non-story, but I can still laugh about it...
It ought to be a non-story but an enormous amount of police time and money seems to be being spent on it. Apparently. I hope no-one in Manchester gets burgled and is told no-one is available...

I mean, it's hardly unique in that, is it? Going the other way, Plebgate was may times worse, both in terms of the original 'offence' and the police's lies.

BlancheLivermore · April 19

Quick G&T before boarding at Stansted Wetherspoons..

JosiasJessop · April 19

BlancheLivermore said:
Quick G&T before boarding at Stansted Wetherspoons..

enjoy your trip!

kinabalu · April 19

Pulpstar said:
Starmer really needs a hi-viz, construction hat and to be at a building site for those boots.

But it shows his growing confidence that he'd risk something like this - even if it looks a bit silly. Shades of Boris and the tripwire.

Leon · April 19

BlancheLivermore said:
Quick G&T before boarding at Stansted Wetherspoons..

Ah. Aren't you doing the Santaigo trail?

Mexicanpete · April 19

JosiasJessop said:

turbotubbs said:

JosiasJessop said:

turbotubbs said:

williamglenn said:
Labour’s campaign slogan: “boot them out”

"So if you live at 62, but say you live at 60, how much shit will you get in in 10 years time?"
I think it's a non-story, but I can still laugh about it...
It ought to be a non-story but an enormous amount of police time and money seems to be being spent on it. Apparently. I hope no-one in Manchester gets burgled and is told no-one is available...
I mean, it's hardly unique in that, is it? Going the other way, Plebgate was may times worse, both in terms of the original 'offence' and the police's lies.

It must be serious, 12 detectives are flat out on the case day and night.

BlancheLivermore · April 19

Leon said:

BlancheLivermore said:
Quick G&T before boarding at Stansted Wetherspoons..

Ah. Aren't you doing the Santaigo trail?

I am, but from Santiago to France

LostPassword · April 19

Mexicanpete said:

JosiasJessop said:

turbotubbs said:

JosiasJessop said:

turbotubbs said:

williamglenn said:
Labour’s campaign slogan: “boot them out”

"So if you live at 62, but say you live at 60, how much shit will you get in in 10 years time?"
I think it's a non-story, but I can still laugh about it...
It ought to be a non-story but an enormous amount of police time and money seems to be being spent on it. Apparently. I hope no-one in Manchester gets burgled and is told no-one is available...
I mean, it's hardly unique in that, is it? Going the other way, Plebgate was may times worse, both in terms of the original 'offence' and the police's lies.
It must be serious, 12 detectives are flat out on the case day and night.

All our detective TV shows are po-faced and serious, with teams of detectives hunting serial killers, terrorists, etc.

Where's the detective show that follows the detectives who get the doss cases investigating historical cases of electoral fraud?

Leon · April 19

This is NOT an AI post, this is an actual politics and betting post, relating to tech

Check this fake video, made from one single virtual photo of a non existent human, and a three second clip of audio. Now from that Microsoft can make almost completely convincing fake video, saying whatever words they want her to say

The next elections are going to be flooded with this tech, with deepfakes, with scenes of politicians saying shit they didn't say, or stuff they should have said, or Putin saying he sexually loves Ed Davey, and it will be entirely convincing (because, even if you can just spot the odd tiny glitch in this video, the tech is only going to get better and better)

The first vid of the blonde woman is particularly WOW

https://x.com/OrctonAI/status/1781333110681923781

My takeaway from this, for politics and betting is that the side with the most credulous voters will gain. One suspects that is Trump voters in the USA

Foxy · April 19

Scott_xP said:
@Phil_Lewis_

Tesla is recalling all 3,878 Cybertrucks that it has shipped to date, due to a problem where the accelerator pedal can get stuck, putting drivers at risk of a crash

So not so much self driving as self "rapid unscheduled dis-assembling"?

Sandpit · April 19

Surely there’s some wider context to this piece of footage, and a Met Police sargeant didn’t actually threaten to arrest a man for “being openly Jewish in a public place”?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/19/police-threaten-jewish-man-arrest-palestine-protest-london/

LostPassword · April 19

Leon said:
This is NOT an AI post, this is an actual politics and betting post, relating to tech

Check this fake video, made from one single virtual photo of a non existent human, and a three second clip of audio. Now from that Microsoft can make almost completely convincing fake video, saying whatever words they want her to say

The next elections are going to be flooded with this tech, with deepfakes, with scenes of politicians saying shit they didn't say, or stuff they should have said, or Putin saying he sexually loves Ed Davey, and it will be entirely convincing (because, even if you can just spot the odd tiny glitch in this video, the tech is only going to get better and better)

The first vid of the blonde woman is particularly WOW

https://x.com/OrctonAI/status/1781333110681923781

My takeaway from this, for politics and betting is that the side with the most credulous voters will gain. One suspects that is Trump voters in the USA

This sort of thing is great for stirring up outrage in general, so you could see a malign actor - like Russia - using it to stir up greater division on both sides.

And then it hardly matters who wins the actual vote. There will be so little common ground left that the political process will be broken.

Andy_JS · April 19

"Charlotte Henry
Why do Lib Dems want to crack down on smoking but legalise cannabis?"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-do-lib-dems-want-to-crack-down-on-smoking-but-legalise-cannabis/

Leon · April 19

BlancheLivermore said:

Leon said:

BlancheLivermore said:
Quick G&T before boarding at Stansted Wetherspoons..

Ah. Aren't you doing the Santaigo trail?
I am, but from Santiago to France

Enjoy!

BartholomewRoberts · April 19

I like that the opinion poll gives choices of Satisfied, Unsatisfied or Not Bothered.

Makes me think of Tony Blair and Catherine Tate.

https://youtu.be/sfkjvagVsRI?feature=shared

LostPassword · April 19

Sandpit said:
Surely there’s some wider context to this piece of footage, and a Met Police sargeant didn’t actually threaten to arrest a man for “being openly Jewish in a public place”?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/19/police-threaten-jewish-man-arrest-palestine-protest-london/

Are we sure it's not AI-generated?

Sunil_Prasannan · April 19

Andy_JS · April 19

Moment Copenhagen stock exchange facade collapses

Copenhagen's historic old stock exchange building collapsed on Thursday, days after being engulfed in flames.

The 17th Century building was one of the Danish capital's oldest buildings, and had been undergoing renovation work when the fire broke out."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-68823716

kinabalu · April 19

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Mexicanpete said:

Leon said:
Excellent oysters at Sheekeys. Two dozen natives, Irish, and Fines de Claires. With a friend who, it turns out, is dating someone rather famous

He's also ex SAS and has friends out in Ukraine and they say Ukraine is going to lose
**** me, I keep accidentally tuning in to the musings of the love child of William Hickey and Lord Haw Haw.
It's a trial, isn't it. I'd normally run a mile but here I can't. I'm trapped. We all are.
I enjoyed your super-insecure and culturally nervous James Joyce joust with @TOPPING, if that's any help?
Yes well who can blame me. People being snobby and supercilious and obnoxious. Wears you down.
It's just an online forum, don't let it get to you

Ok. I'm stroking my cat now anyway.

rcs1000 · April 19

TheScreamingEagles said:

Scott_xP said:
@Phil_Lewis_

Tesla is recalling all 3,878 Cybertrucks that it has shipped to date, due to a problem where the accelerator pedal can get stuck, putting drivers at risk of a crash
I was thinking about getting a Cybertruck.

I have the Rivian R1T. It's truly great: fantastic mileage, super refined, able to haul lots of shit.

Should they ever come to the UK, and should you not live in a city, I would highly recommend.

Andy_JS · April 19

Anabobazina said:
TRUSS.

Two unexpected articles to find in the New Statesman.

"Liberals shouldn’t jeer Liz Truss
The former prime minister’s arguments and ideas are set to shape the right’s future – they need to be taken seriously.
By Lewis Goodall"

https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2024/04/liberals-shouldnt-jeer-liz-truss

"Liz Truss is right about the Deep State
Among the ridiculous complaints, excuses and conspiracies, the ex-prime minister makes one important point.
By Will Dunn"

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/morning-call/2024/04/liz-truss-is-right-about-the-deep-state

DougSeal · April 19

isam said:
Could there be a Pincher-esque scandal that Labour are hiding behind via a ‘long term inquiry’. Someone appointed to a senior position despite lots of rumours etc

Is that a question? Rhetorical perhaps?

eristdoof · April 19

"STARMER IS EXPECTED TO BE BETTER THAN JOHNSON ET AL"
Damned by faint praise!

LostPassword · April 19

rcs1000 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Scott_xP said:
@Phil_Lewis_

Tesla is recalling all 3,878 Cybertrucks that it has shipped to date, due to a problem where the accelerator pedal can get stuck, putting drivers at risk of a crash
I was thinking about getting a Cybertruck.
I have the Rivian R1T. It's truly great: fantastic mileage, super refined, able to haul lots of shit.

Should they ever come to the UK, and should you not live in a city, I would highly recommend.

With a 149 kWh battery pack you could use one to temporarily restore power to communities cut off the grid during storms.

eristdoof · April 19

Andy_JS said:
"Charlotte Henry
Why do Lib Dems want to crack down on smoking but legalise cannabis?"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-do-lib-dems-want-to-crack-down-on-smoking-but-legalise-cannabis/

Someone who posesses tabacco is not comitting a crime. Someone who posesses canabis is. That is a big difference.

bookseller · April 19

Well that 'New Labour, New Danger' post and the AI-generated SKS reboot has been a disturbing blast from the past for a Friday afternoon. Cheers!

DougSeal · April 19

Andy_JS said:
Moment Copenhagen stock exchange facade collapses

Copenhagen's historic old stock exchange building collapsed on Thursday, days after being engulfed in flames.

The 17th Century building was one of the Danish capital's oldest buildings, and had been undergoing renovation work when the fire broke out."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-68823716

Renovation work appears to be when old structures are at their greatest danger. Notre Dame, Cutty Sark…when the Great Fire of London broke out, one of the things that did for the vast stone edifice of Old St Paul’s was the wooden scaffolding covering it. A century of neglect since the Reformation, Civil War etc (and a lightning strike that took down the steeple) had left it in a dangerous condition.

Burgessian · April 19

Leon said:

TimS said:

Leon said:

Mexicanpete said:

Leon said:
Excellent oysters at Sheekeys. Two dozen natives, Irish, and Fines de Claires. With a friend who, it turns out, is dating someone rather famous

He's also ex SAS and has friends out in Ukraine and they say Ukraine is going to lose
**** me, I keep accidentally tuning in to the musings of the love child of William Hickey and Lord Haw Haw.
Well he really is an ex soldier, he has spent months in Ukraine doing security, and he has military colleagues out there right now and they tell him - quite neutrally - that Ukraine is likely to lose, from this point. They reckon that even if the US ammo and artillery arrives, it is probably too late. Putin will attack and bomb Ukraine into suing for a peace that suits Putin. That's what he predicts based on the verdicts of his army buddies presently in Ukraine, and he is better informed than - probably - anyone on this forum (including me)
Certainly the reports coming from Ukraine at the moment are pretty grim. But, if this is consolation, they do somewhat remind me of the downbeat reports coming from Russian units and Wagner when they were running out of ammunition in 2023.
Yes. I should clarify he doesn't think putin is about to seize Kyiv or Odessa. Attack in this war is as hard for the Russians as it is for Ukrainians. This is a war which favours defenders, the technology has evolved that way

He told me that his friend toured the Russian front line during the Ukrainian counter offensive. He said the Russian defences were ten kilometres deep with multiple different trench networks and drones always hovering, and they hds laid so many mines it stretched creduilty: his friend estimated every square metre had three mines, on average. some tiny and impossible to detect. No one can attack across that, and Ukraine should not have tried, they lost so many men in a futile quest

But Russia will find it equally hard the other way. So my pal's prediction is that Russia will shell and bomb Ukraine - from a distance - until the Ukrainians seek a truce, and Putin will get to keep what he's got. For now

The German refusal to provide Taurus, along with the MAGA hold up in the US, really doing Putin's work for him.
I do wonder though, if the new realism from some NATO members, partic the Nordics and Czechs, plus Johnson finally steering through the US package might change things. The F16s will eventually arrive too.

HYUFD · April 19

Starmer clearly does not enthuse voters as much as Blair but does not turn them off as much as Corbyn did either.

Note only Cameron, Brown and Blair are seeing as better PMs than Starmer would be relative to how Starmer does against Sunak.

Over a quarter of voters think Starmer would be a worse PM than Cameron too and nearly a third worse than Blair

BartholomewRoberts · April 19

The Met threatening to arrest Jews for the crime of being "openly Jewish" is disgusting. The Met is not fit for purpose.

Would they threaten to arrest Muslims for being "openly Muslim" near a BNP or whatever they call themselves nowadays rally?

If racists mean any individual isn't safe to be themselves, it's the racists that need tackling not telling people they're not free to be openly on the streets.

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