Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?
Or is violence in politics only for some people?
There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
"Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"
Er, I can read and at no point does Corbyn say he supports the bombing of Israel. I hope for Mike's sake that Corbyn isn't litigious.
He supports Hamas and Hezbollah, two organisations that exist solely to bomb Israel and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel.
Your argument is as facile as suggesting people who openly supported the IRA during the Troubles weren't supporting bombings.
Oh wait - he did that too! 🤦♂️
He doesn't support Hamas and Hezbollah, he supports talking to them in order to make peace. Just as he supported talking to the IRA to make peace. Eventually the British government agreed with him in public (they'd been talking to the IRA in private for decades of course) and lo and behold, after talking to the IRA we now have peace in Northern Ireland.
He supported unconditional surrender to the IRA.
Only County Antrim now has a Protestant majority, according to Census 2021.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
Many in Israel have never wanted the Palestinians to exist as a state or a people.
Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?
Or is violence in politics only for some people?
There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
"Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"
Er, I can read and at no point does Corbyn say he supports the bombing of Israel. I hope for Mike's sake that Corbyn isn't litigious.
He supports Hamas and Hezbollah, two organisations that exist solely to bomb Israel and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel.
Your argument is as facile as suggesting people who openly supported the IRA during the Troubles weren't supporting bombings.
Oh wait - he did that too! 🤦♂️
He doesn't support Hamas and Hezbollah, he supports talking to them in order to make peace. Just as he supported talking to the IRA to make peace. Eventually the British government agreed with him in public (they'd been talking to the IRA in private for decades of course) and lo and behold, after talking to the IRA we now have peace in Northern Ireland.
He supported unconditional surrender to the IRA.
Only County Antrim now has a Protestant majority, according to Census 2021.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
Many in Israel have never wanted the Palestinians to exist as a state or a people.
This is the obvious, inexorable endpoint for what Israel is doing. It is the only way they can permanently prevent a repeat of October 7. And if they don't achieve that goal - making October 7 unrepeatable - then the war is pointless, indeed hideously counter-productive
Sending an outcast tribe to wander in Sinai is somewhat ironic…
Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?
Or is violence in politics only for some people?
There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
"Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"
Er, I can read and at no point does Corbyn say he supports the bombing of Israel. I hope for Mike's sake that Corbyn isn't litigious.
He supports Hamas and Hezbollah, two organisations that exist solely to bomb Israel and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel.
Your argument is as facile as suggesting people who openly supported the IRA during the Troubles weren't supporting bombings.
Oh wait - he did that too! 🤦♂️
He doesn't support Hamas and Hezbollah, he supports talking to them in order to make peace. Just as he supported talking to the IRA to make peace. Eventually the British government agreed with him in public (they'd been talking to the IRA in private for decades of course) and lo and behold, after talking to the IRA we now have peace in Northern Ireland.
He supported unconditional surrender to the IRA.
Only County Antrim now has a Protestant majority, according to Census 2021.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
Many in Israel have never wanted the Palestinians to exist as a state or a people.
and many in Palestine do not want Israel to exist as a state or the Jews to exist as a people.
If you have any solution to this conundrum I'm sure the UN would be delighted to hear it.
Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?
Or is violence in politics only for some people?
There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
"Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"
Er, I can read and at no point does Corbyn say he supports the bombing of Israel. I hope for Mike's sake that Corbyn isn't litigious.
He supports Hamas and Hezbollah, two organisations that exist solely to bomb Israel and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel.
Your argument is as facile as suggesting people who openly supported the IRA during the Troubles weren't supporting bombings.
Oh wait - he did that too! 🤦♂️
He doesn't support Hamas and Hezbollah, he supports talking to them in order to make peace. Just as he supported talking to the IRA to make peace. Eventually the British government agreed with him in public (they'd been talking to the IRA in private for decades of course) and lo and behold, after talking to the IRA we now have peace in Northern Ireland.
He supported unconditional surrender to the IRA.
Only County Antrim now has a Protestant majority, according to Census 2021.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
Many in Israel have never wanted the Palestinians to exist as a state or a people.
The UN don't want them to
If they did they wouldn't have facilitated permanent refugee status for them until they get back "home"
This is the obvious, inexorable endpoint for what Israel is doing. It is the only way they can permanently prevent a repeat of October 7. And if they don't achieve that goal - making October 7 unrepeatable - then the war is pointless, indeed hideously counter-productive
Sending an outcast tribe to wander in Sinai is somewhat ironic…
From a purely aesthetic perspective, the map would look neater if Sinai were a part of Israel.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
This is the obvious, inexorable endpoint for what Israel is doing. It is the only way they can permanently prevent a repeat of October 7. And if they don't achieve that goal - making October 7 unrepeatable - then the war is pointless, indeed hideously counter-productive
Sending an outcast tribe to wander in Sinai is somewhat ironic…
From a purely aesthetic perspective, the map would look neater if Sinai were a part of Israel.
The Israelis clearly don't agree, they withdrew from it in 1980.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
It's really simple to sort out. You go on a demo, maybe stick some stickers to a bus stop or street light, then wander home.
Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?
Or is violence in politics only for some people?
There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
"Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"
Er, I can read and at no point does Corbyn say he supports the bombing of Israel. I hope for Mike's sake that Corbyn isn't litigious.
He supports Hamas and Hezbollah, two organisations that exist solely to bomb Israel and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel.
Your argument is as facile as suggesting people who openly supported the IRA during the Troubles weren't supporting bombings.
Oh wait - he did that too! 🤦♂️
He doesn't support Hamas and Hezbollah, he supports talking to them in order to make peace. Just as he supported talking to the IRA to make peace. Eventually the British government agreed with him in public (they'd been talking to the IRA in private for decades of course) and lo and behold, after talking to the IRA we now have peace in Northern Ireland.
He supported unconditional surrender to the IRA.
Only County Antrim now has a Protestant majority, according to Census 2021.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
Many in Israel have never wanted the Palestinians to exist as a state or a people.
and many in Palestine do not want Israel to exist as a state or the Jews to exist as a people.
If you have any solution to this conundrum I'm sure the UN would be delighted to hear it.
There isn't one. Or rather there is one (two states and a bloody big wall manned by a UN army), but neither side prefers that to the status quo. So there isn't one really. As I've said before, conflicts like this need a Mandela and a de Klerk to land simultaneously, and the current score is 0/2.
The only thing the rest of us can really do is weep, ideally equally for both sides, rather than cheering on our faves, whoever they are.
Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
Grow up, Roger.
This was not a bit of graffiti but, according to the police, arson. The man who killed David Amess also looked into the possibility of attacking Mike Freer and some other MPs, according to the police. That is why he has been advised to wear a stab vest in public.
A number of MPs have been killed; some have been attacked and some of their staff have been killed.
Making light of such attacks because you do not support the policies of Israel's government really demeans you. You should be ashamed of yourself. No MP in this country - nor any of their staff - should be put in fear like this let alone be attacked. The Labour Party have made this point clearly in their response - see Anneliese Dodds' statement. It is a pity that you cannot show the same moral clarity.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
My extended family had the same Xmas discussion. The conclusion was “fuck it, let them fight it out, once and for all”
There wasn’t any taking of sides. More a general weariness with everything that comes from the Middle East, and an urgent desire for it all to go away, whatever it takes
I feel like that when I meet my extended family too.
Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?
Or is violence in politics only for some people?
There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
"Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"
Er, I can read and at no point does Corbyn say he supports the bombing of Israel. I hope for Mike's sake that Corbyn isn't litigious.
He supports Hamas and Hezbollah, two organisations that exist solely to bomb Israel and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel.
Your argument is as facile as suggesting people who openly supported the IRA during the Troubles weren't supporting bombings.
Oh wait - he did that too! 🤦♂️
He doesn't support Hamas and Hezbollah, he supports talking to them in order to make peace. Just as he supported talking to the IRA to make peace. Eventually the British government agreed with him in public (they'd been talking to the IRA in private for decades of course) and lo and behold, after talking to the IRA we now have peace in Northern Ireland.
He supported unconditional surrender to the IRA.
Only County Antrim now has a Protestant majority, according to Census 2021.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
Many in Israel have never wanted the Palestinians to exist as a state or a people.
and many in Palestine do not want Israel to exist as a state or the Jews to exist as a people.
If you have any solution to this conundrum I'm sure the UN would be delighted to hear it.
A one-state solution where the people from both "tribes" can live, work and pray where they want (the biggest draw-back of the two-state solution is that it would surely create feelings of the "wrong" minority living on the "wrong" side of the border). Would also facilitate Jerusalem as some kind of a "neutral zone", given its importance not just to Judaism, but Christianity and Islam too.
This is the obvious, inexorable endpoint for what Israel is doing. It is the only way they can permanently prevent a repeat of October 7. And if they don't achieve that goal - making October 7 unrepeatable - then the war is pointless, indeed hideously counter-productive
Sending an outcast tribe to wander in Sinai is somewhat ironic…
From a purely aesthetic perspective, the map would look neater if Sinai were a part of Israel.
The Israelis clearly don't agree, they withdrew from it in 1980.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?
Or is violence in politics only for some people?
There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
"Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"
Er, I can read and at no point does Corbyn say he supports the bombing of Israel. I hope for Mike's sake that Corbyn isn't litigious.
He supports Hamas and Hezbollah, two organisations that exist solely to bomb Israel and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel.
Your argument is as facile as suggesting people who openly supported the IRA during the Troubles weren't supporting bombings.
Oh wait - he did that too! 🤦♂️
He doesn't support Hamas and Hezbollah, he supports talking to them in order to make peace. Just as he supported talking to the IRA to make peace. Eventually the British government agreed with him in public (they'd been talking to the IRA in private for decades of course) and lo and behold, after talking to the IRA we now have peace in Northern Ireland.
He supported unconditional surrender to the IRA.
Only County Antrim now has a Protestant majority, according to Census 2021.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
Many in Israel have never wanted the Palestinians to exist as a state or a people.
and many in Palestine do not want Israel to exist as a state or the Jews to exist as a people.
If you have any solution to this conundrum I'm sure the UN would be delighted to hear it.
A one-state solution where the people from both "tribes" can live, work and pray where they want (the biggest draw-back of the two-state solution is that it would surely create feelings of the "wrong" minority living on the "wrong" side of the border). Would also facilitate Jerusalem as some kind of a "neutral zone", given its importance not just to Judaism, but Christianity and Islam too.
That isn't a solution to the problem faced in the Middle East, and since you're not stupid you must know it is impossible. Neither side will even consider it and if tried it would lead to civil war on an even greater scale.
It’s depressing how people are becoming desensitized to what’s going on in Gaza .
Bombing people in refugee camps is met with shrugs . Israel hides behind its now worn out mantra that they need to continue until allegedly Hamas can’t commit another October 7th attack .
Clearly the IDF wouldn’t suffer such intelligence failures again so at what point will they say job done !
Don't be absurd, refugee camps are normally located outside war zones, not inside them.
Absolutely anywhere in Gaza should be a fair target for IDF forces if Hamas targets are there. That includes so-called "refugee camps".
They should say job done when everyone in Hamas is dead.
Your ignorance of the region is incredible.
Its not ignorance, its the truth, just an uncomfortable one for you.
Many of these so-called "refugee camps" have people who were not only born in the "camp" but their parents were born there, and their grandparents were born there too.
At what point does something cease to be a "camp" and become a town or city or other place of residence instead?
The only true, safe refuge would be outside the warzone.
Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?
Or is violence in politics only for some people?
There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
"Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"
Er, I can read and at no point does Corbyn say he supports the bombing of Israel. I hope for Mike's sake that Corbyn isn't litigious.
He supports Hamas and Hezbollah, two organisations that exist solely to bomb Israel and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel.
Your argument is as facile as suggesting people who openly supported the IRA during the Troubles weren't supporting bombings.
Oh wait - he did that too! 🤦♂️
He doesn't support Hamas and Hezbollah, he supports talking to them in order to make peace. Just as he supported talking to the IRA to make peace. Eventually the British government agreed with him in public (they'd been talking to the IRA in private for decades of course) and lo and behold, after talking to the IRA we now have peace in Northern Ireland.
He supported unconditional surrender to the IRA.
Only County Antrim now has a Protestant majority, according to Census 2021.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
Many in Israel have never wanted the Palestinians to exist as a state or a people.
and many in Palestine do not want Israel to exist as a state or the Jews to exist as a people.
If you have any solution to this conundrum I'm sure the UN would be delighted to hear it.
A one-state solution where the people from both "tribes" can live, work and pray where they want (the biggest draw-back of the two-state solution is that it would surely create feelings of the "wrong" minority living on the "wrong" side of the border). Would also facilitate Jerusalem as some kind of a "neutral zone", given its importance not just to Judaism, but Christianity and Islam too.
That isn't a solution to the problem faced in the Middle East, and since you're not stupid you must know it is impossible. Neither side will even consider it and if tried it would lead to civil war on an even greater scale.
What about real world solutions?
It has (so far!) worked in Bosnia, and the Serbs and Bosnian Muslims are no longer slaughtering one another. I believe Dayton was a real world solution.
This is the obvious, inexorable endpoint for what Israel is doing. It is the only way they can permanently prevent a repeat of October 7. And if they don't achieve that goal - making October 7 unrepeatable - then the war is pointless, indeed hideously counter-productive
Sending an outcast tribe to wander in Sinai is somewhat ironic…
From a purely aesthetic perspective, the map would look neater if Sinai were a part of Israel.
The Israelis clearly don't agree, they withdrew from it in 1980.
Moses didn't like it either, he preferred Canaan!
Moses never got to Canaan:
And Moses went up from the plains of Moab unto the mountain of Nebo, to the top of Pisgah, that is over against Jericho. And the Lord shewed him all the land of Gilead, unto Dan,
2 And all Naphtali, and the land of Ephraim, and Manasseh, and all the land of Judah, unto the utmost sea,
3 And the south, and the plain of the valley of Jericho, the city of palm trees, unto Zoar.
4 And the Lord said unto him, This is the land which I sware unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, saying, I will give it unto thy seed: I have caused thee to see it with thine eyes, but thou shalt not go over thither.
5 So Moses the servant of the Lord died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the Lord.
6 And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.
7 And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated.
8 And the children of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days: so the days of weeping and mourning for Moses were ended.
9 And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as the Lord commanded Moses.
10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face,
11 In all the signs and the wonders, which the Lord sent him to do in the land of Egypt to Pharaoh, and to all his servants, and to all his land,
12 And in all that mighty hand, and in all the great terror which Moses shewed in the sight of all Israel.
Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?
Or is violence in politics only for some people?
There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
"Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"
Er, I can read and at no point does Corbyn say he supports the bombing of Israel. I hope for Mike's sake that Corbyn isn't litigious.
He supports Hamas and Hezbollah, two organisations that exist solely to bomb Israel and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel.
Your argument is as facile as suggesting people who openly supported the IRA during the Troubles weren't supporting bombings.
Oh wait - he did that too! 🤦♂️
He doesn't support Hamas and Hezbollah, he supports talking to them in order to make peace. Just as he supported talking to the IRA to make peace. Eventually the British government agreed with him in public (they'd been talking to the IRA in private for decades of course) and lo and behold, after talking to the IRA we now have peace in Northern Ireland.
He supported unconditional surrender to the IRA.
Only County Antrim now has a Protestant majority, according to Census 2021.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
Many in Israel have never wanted the Palestinians to exist as a state or a people.
and many in Palestine do not want Israel to exist as a state or the Jews to exist as a people.
If you have any solution to this conundrum I'm sure the UN would be delighted to hear it.
As far as I am aware, I am the only person here to suggest a way to create a peace, that might last, in Israel/Palestine. Requires no ethnic cleansing as a bonus.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
It will be resolved - it that happens - by Israel pushing out all the Palestinians to borders it deems defensible, with no Palestinans inside those borders (or a trivial number) and a permanent Jewish majority inside Israel. Which means no more Gaza and maybe no more West Bank
October 7 ensures this is the end that Israel will pursue (whether they can do it is moot)
Hamas may have greatly accelerated the end of the Palestinian cause as we understand it
It starts in a dreadful way: “trump’s packing of the Supreme Court”.
No: justices were appointed according to the rules. Trump was lucky he got to appoint so many. If, as counterfactual, it had been a democratic president and 3 reliably progressive justices appointed the court wouldn’t have been “packed” it would have been “at the forefront of forging the modern America”.
It wasn't luck. Republicans in the Senate refused to ratify Obama's final pick (Merrick Garland, March 2016) while hurriedly pushing through Trump's final nominee (Amy Coney Barrett, September 2020).
In both cases their reasoning was 'there's an election coming.'
For the first, they said, 'let's delay it for the new President to decide because it's less than a year until you leave.'
For the second, 'let's ratify it now in case there's a new President elected in six weeks.'
Admittedly, you could point out neither was directly to do with Trump. But the Supreme Court has been being rigged for a very long time (since Franklin D Roosevelt, indeed) and recent events have left it 'packed' with a Republican majority through quite shameless procedural jiggery pokery.
That's them rules.
Now, I think the sidelining of Garland was egregious, but the Senate is given that power.
So equally the rules allow the Democrats to expand the court to 15 Justices when they next have the trifecta.
They don't need the trifecta. Senate and Presidency are enough. And there is no actual set number of justices for the Supreme Court.
But - it would be a bad idea. It would just mean the Republicans would then appoint x number to restock the court in their own favour when they next held the Presidency and the Senate. And so on ad infinitum.
Franklin D. Roosevelt tried it in the 1930s and the extent of the opposition caused him to back down. (Admittedly, the mere idea also stopped the Supreme Court from behaving like dicks.)
It needs the House too as you need to change the law limiting SCOTUS to nine justices.
And your reason for why it's a bad idea is that the Republicans could change things back. So the "negative" is that we get a crooked right wing majority half the time, rather than all the time as if the Dems don't do it.
And Roosevelt's actions got the court to reverse course on the New Deal, so it worked.
Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?
Or is violence in politics only for some people?
There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
"Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"
Er, I can read and at no point does Corbyn say he supports the bombing of Israel. I hope for Mike's sake that Corbyn isn't litigious.
He supports Hamas and Hezbollah, two organisations that exist solely to bomb Israel and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel.
Your argument is as facile as suggesting people who openly supported the IRA during the Troubles weren't supporting bombings.
Oh wait - he did that too! 🤦♂️
He doesn't support Hamas and Hezbollah, he supports talking to them in order to make peace. Just as he supported talking to the IRA to make peace. Eventually the British government agreed with him in public (they'd been talking to the IRA in private for decades of course) and lo and behold, after talking to the IRA we now have peace in Northern Ireland.
He supported unconditional surrender to the IRA.
Only County Antrim now has a Protestant majority, according to Census 2021.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
Many in Israel have never wanted the Palestinians to exist as a state or a people.
and many in Palestine do not want Israel to exist as a state or the Jews to exist as a people.
If you have any solution to this conundrum I'm sure the UN would be delighted to hear it.
A one-state solution where the people from both "tribes" can live, work and pray where they want (the biggest draw-back of the two-state solution is that it would surely create feelings of the "wrong" minority living on the "wrong" side of the border). Would also facilitate Jerusalem as some kind of a "neutral zone", given its importance not just to Judaism, but Christianity and Islam too.
That isn't a solution to the problem faced in the Middle East, and since you're not stupid you must know it is impossible. Neither side will even consider it and if tried it would lead to civil war on an even greater scale.
What about real world solutions?
It has (so far!) worked in Bosnia, and the Serbs and Bosnian Muslims are no longer slaughtering one another. I believe Dayton was a real world solution.
If you think that's the solution that happened in Bosnia, you know nothing about Bosnia. In fact, the Bosnia solution was about separating the two sides.
Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?
Or is violence in politics only for some people?
There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
"Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"
Er, I can read and at no point does Corbyn say he supports the bombing of Israel. I hope for Mike's sake that Corbyn isn't litigious.
He supports Hamas and Hezbollah, two organisations that exist solely to bomb Israel and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel.
Your argument is as facile as suggesting people who openly supported the IRA during the Troubles weren't supporting bombings.
Oh wait - he did that too! 🤦♂️
He doesn't support Hamas and Hezbollah, he supports talking to them in order to make peace. Just as he supported talking to the IRA to make peace. Eventually the British government agreed with him in public (they'd been talking to the IRA in private for decades of course) and lo and behold, after talking to the IRA we now have peace in Northern Ireland.
He supported unconditional surrender to the IRA.
Only County Antrim now has a Protestant majority, according to Census 2021.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
Many in Israel have never wanted the Palestinians to exist as a state or a people.
and many in Palestine do not want Israel to exist as a state or the Jews to exist as a people.
If you have any solution to this conundrum I'm sure the UN would be delighted to hear it.
A one-state solution where the people from both "tribes" can live, work and pray where they want (the biggest draw-back of the two-state solution is that it would surely create feelings of the "wrong" minority living on the "wrong" side of the border). Would also facilitate Jerusalem as some kind of a "neutral zone", given its importance not just to Judaism, but Christianity and Islam too.
That isn't a solution to the problem faced in the Middle East, and since you're not stupid you must know it is impossible. Neither side will even consider it and if tried it would lead to civil war on an even greater scale.
What about real world solutions?
It has (so far!) worked in Bosnia, and the Serbs and Bosnian Muslims are no longer slaughtering one another. I believe Dayton was a real world solution.
Mainly because there was enough land to segregate the two communities. And enough international firepower to utterly overwhelm both sides.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
Your solution to the woes of the middle-east seems to be (to my reading)
1. Blame one actor in a complex situation for the entirety of the problem. 2. Insults. 3. ....?
Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?
Or is violence in politics only for some people?
There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
"Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"
Er, I can read and at no point does Corbyn say he supports the bombing of Israel. I hope for Mike's sake that Corbyn isn't litigious.
He supports Hamas and Hezbollah, two organisations that exist solely to bomb Israel and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel.
Your argument is as facile as suggesting people who openly supported the IRA during the Troubles weren't supporting bombings.
Oh wait - he did that too! 🤦♂️
He doesn't support Hamas and Hezbollah, he supports talking to them in order to make peace. Just as he supported talking to the IRA to make peace. Eventually the British government agreed with him in public (they'd been talking to the IRA in private for decades of course) and lo and behold, after talking to the IRA we now have peace in Northern Ireland.
He supported unconditional surrender to the IRA.
Only County Antrim now has a Protestant majority, according to Census 2021.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
Many in Israel have never wanted the Palestinians to exist as a state or a people.
and many in Palestine do not want Israel to exist as a state or the Jews to exist as a people.
If you have any solution to this conundrum I'm sure the UN would be delighted to hear it.
As far as I am aware, I am the only person here to suggest a way to create a peace, that might last, in Israel/Palestine. Requires no ethnic cleansing as a bonus.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
It will be resolved - it that happens - by Israel pushing out all the Palestinians to borders it deems defensible, with no Palestinans inside those borders (or a trivial number) and a permanent Jewish majority inside Israel. Which means no more Gaza and maybe no more West Bank
October 7 ensures this is the end that Israel will pursue (whether they can do it is moot)
Hamas may have greatly accelerated the end of the Palestinian cause as we understand it
All these Middle Eastern Abrahamic types are just bad news. If we must let them fight it out, then at least don't use my taxes to do it.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
My extended family had the same Xmas discussion. The conclusion was “fuck it, let them fight it out, once and for all”
There wasn’t any taking of sides. More a general weariness with everything that comes from the Middle East, and an urgent desire for it all to go away, whatever it takes
I feel like that when I meet my extended family too.
lol.
Except: my family makes the Israeli-Palestinian conflict look sane and easily reconciled
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
Your solution to the woes of the middle-east seems to be (to my reading)
1. Blame one actor in a complex situation for the entirety of the problem. 2. Insults. 3. ....?
Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?
Or is violence in politics only for some people?
There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
"Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"
Er, I can read and at no point does Corbyn say he supports the bombing of Israel. I hope for Mike's sake that Corbyn isn't litigious.
He supports Hamas and Hezbollah, two organisations that exist solely to bomb Israel and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel.
Your argument is as facile as suggesting people who openly supported the IRA during the Troubles weren't supporting bombings.
Oh wait - he did that too! 🤦♂️
He doesn't support Hamas and Hezbollah, he supports talking to them in order to make peace. Just as he supported talking to the IRA to make peace. Eventually the British government agreed with him in public (they'd been talking to the IRA in private for decades of course) and lo and behold, after talking to the IRA we now have peace in Northern Ireland.
He supported unconditional surrender to the IRA.
Only County Antrim now has a Protestant majority, according to Census 2021.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
Many in Israel have never wanted the Palestinians to exist as a state or a people.
and many in Palestine do not want Israel to exist as a state or the Jews to exist as a people.
If you have any solution to this conundrum I'm sure the UN would be delighted to hear it.
A one-state solution where the people from both "tribes" can live, work and pray where they want (the biggest draw-back of the two-state solution is that it would surely create feelings of the "wrong" minority living on the "wrong" side of the border). Would also facilitate Jerusalem as some kind of a "neutral zone", given its importance not just to Judaism, but Christianity and Islam too.
That isn't a solution to the problem faced in the Middle East, and since you're not stupid you must know it is impossible. Neither side will even consider it and if tried it would lead to civil war on an even greater scale.
What about real world solutions?
There are no easy solutions. there are very few palatable solutions of any kind. that's how we ended up with the two state solution. Peace cannot happen while there is no meaningful desire for it on both sides.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
Your solution to the woes of the middle-east seems to be (to my reading)
1. Blame one actor in a complex situation for the entirety of the problem. 2. Insults. 3. ....?
Well your reading is false. See my "one-state" solution above.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
My extended family had the same Xmas discussion. The conclusion was “fuck it, let them fight it out, once and for all”
There wasn’t any taking of sides. More a general weariness with everything that comes from the Middle East, and an urgent desire for it all to go away, whatever it takes
I feel like that when I meet my extended family too.
lol.
Except: my family makes the Israeli-Palestnian conflict look sane and easily reconciled
You've not met mine. Irish and Neapolitan. Our feuds go back centuries. Some of them would make good Visconti films or operas.
Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?
Or is violence in politics only for some people?
There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
"Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"
Er, I can read and at no point does Corbyn say he supports the bombing of Israel. I hope for Mike's sake that Corbyn isn't litigious.
He supports Hamas and Hezbollah, two organisations that exist solely to bomb Israel and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel.
Your argument is as facile as suggesting people who openly supported the IRA during the Troubles weren't supporting bombings.
Oh wait - he did that too! 🤦♂️
He doesn't support Hamas and Hezbollah, he supports talking to them in order to make peace. Just as he supported talking to the IRA to make peace. Eventually the British government agreed with him in public (they'd been talking to the IRA in private for decades of course) and lo and behold, after talking to the IRA we now have peace in Northern Ireland.
He supported unconditional surrender to the IRA.
Only County Antrim now has a Protestant majority, according to Census 2021.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
Many in Israel have never wanted the Palestinians to exist as a state or a people.
and many in Palestine do not want Israel to exist as a state or the Jews to exist as a people.
If you have any solution to this conundrum I'm sure the UN would be delighted to hear it.
A one-state solution where the people from both "tribes" can live, work and pray where they want (the biggest draw-back of the two-state solution is that it would surely create feelings of the "wrong" minority living on the "wrong" side of the border). Would also facilitate Jerusalem as some kind of a "neutral zone", given its importance not just to Judaism, but Christianity and Islam too.
That isn't a solution to the problem faced in the Middle East, and since you're not stupid you must know it is impossible. Neither side will even consider it and if tried it would lead to civil war on an even greater scale.
What about real world solutions?
It has (so far!) worked in Bosnia, and the Serbs and Bosnian Muslims are no longer slaughtering one another. I believe Dayton was a real world solution.
If you think that's the solution that happened in Bosnia, you know nothing about Bosnia. In fact, the Bosnia solution was about separating the two sides.
But sovereignty is SHARED between the two sides. Hence only a single Bosnian candidate status for EU membership and NATO membership.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
Your solution to the woes of the middle-east seems to be (to my reading)
1. Blame one actor in a complex situation for the entirety of the problem. 2. Insults. 3. ....?
I did call him a cockwomble
And that's a bit unfair
Sunil hasn't yet learnt what his cock's really for
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
Your solution to the woes of the middle-east seems to be (to my reading)
1. Blame one actor in a complex situation for the entirety of the problem. 2. Insults. 3. ....?
I did call him a cockwomble
And that's a bit unfair
Sunil hasn't yet learnt what his cock's really for
He certainly wouldn't know how womble it
Have you counted those bodies yet, accurately, of course?
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
Your solution to the woes of the middle-east seems to be (to my reading)
1. Blame one actor in a complex situation for the entirety of the problem. 2. Insults. 3. ....?
Well your reading is false. See my "one-state" solution above.
Well, there we go - you've solved it. If you could email it to the UN it'd save a lot of fuss and nonsense.
Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?
Or is violence in politics only for some people?
There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
"Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"
Er, I can read and at no point does Corbyn say he supports the bombing of Israel. I hope for Mike's sake that Corbyn isn't litigious.
He supports Hamas and Hezbollah, two organisations that exist solely to bomb Israel and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel.
Your argument is as facile as suggesting people who openly supported the IRA during the Troubles weren't supporting bombings.
Oh wait - he did that too! 🤦♂️
He doesn't support Hamas and Hezbollah, he supports talking to them in order to make peace. Just as he supported talking to the IRA to make peace. Eventually the British government agreed with him in public (they'd been talking to the IRA in private for decades of course) and lo and behold, after talking to the IRA we now have peace in Northern Ireland.
He supported unconditional surrender to the IRA.
Only County Antrim now has a Protestant majority, according to Census 2021.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
Many in Israel have never wanted the Palestinians to exist as a state or a people.
and many in Palestine do not want Israel to exist as a state or the Jews to exist as a people.
If you have any solution to this conundrum I'm sure the UN would be delighted to hear it.
A one-state solution where the people from both "tribes" can live, work and pray where they want (the biggest draw-back of the two-state solution is that it would surely create feelings of the "wrong" minority living on the "wrong" side of the border). Would also facilitate Jerusalem as some kind of a "neutral zone", given its importance not just to Judaism, but Christianity and Islam too.
That isn't a solution to the problem faced in the Middle East, and since you're not stupid you must know it is impossible. Neither side will even consider it and if tried it would lead to civil war on an even greater scale.
What about real world solutions?
It has (so far!) worked in Bosnia, and the Serbs and Bosnian Muslims are no longer slaughtering one another. I believe Dayton was a real world solution.
If you think that's the solution that happened in Bosnia, you know nothing about Bosnia. In fact, the Bosnia solution was about separating the two sides.
It was implemented by creating a counter-slaughter by the Croats and Bosnians. So the Serbs realised that they could actual lose. And that if they didn’t sign a peace deal quick, they would be the ones being ethnically cleansed.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
Your solution to the woes of the middle-east seems to be (to my reading)
1. Blame one actor in a complex situation for the entirety of the problem. 2. Insults. 3. ....?
I did call him a cockwomble
And that's a bit unfair
Sunil hasn't yet learnt what his cock's really for
He certainly wouldn't know how womble it
Have you counted those bodies yet, accurately, of course?
Nobody has
Certainly not your data providers at Hamas
I believe that the Magic Carpet bombs have still only killed innocent refugee children and child brides so far
Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?
Or is violence in politics only for some people?
There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
"Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"
Er, I can read and at no point does Corbyn say he supports the bombing of Israel. I hope for Mike's sake that Corbyn isn't litigious.
He supports Hamas and Hezbollah, two organisations that exist solely to bomb Israel and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel.
Your argument is as facile as suggesting people who openly supported the IRA during the Troubles weren't supporting bombings.
Oh wait - he did that too! 🤦♂️
He doesn't support Hamas and Hezbollah, he supports talking to them in order to make peace. Just as he supported talking to the IRA to make peace. Eventually the British government agreed with him in public (they'd been talking to the IRA in private for decades of course) and lo and behold, after talking to the IRA we now have peace in Northern Ireland.
He supported unconditional surrender to the IRA.
Only County Antrim now has a Protestant majority, according to Census 2021.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
Many in Israel have never wanted the Palestinians to exist as a state or a people.
and many in Palestine do not want Israel to exist as a state or the Jews to exist as a people.
If you have any solution to this conundrum I'm sure the UN would be delighted to hear it.
A one-state solution where the people from both "tribes" can live, work and pray where they want (the biggest draw-back of the two-state solution is that it would surely create feelings of the "wrong" minority living on the "wrong" side of the border). Would also facilitate Jerusalem as some kind of a "neutral zone", given its importance not just to Judaism, but Christianity and Islam too.
That isn't a solution to the problem faced in the Middle East, and since you're not stupid you must know it is impossible. Neither side will even consider it and if tried it would lead to civil war on an even greater scale.
What about real world solutions?
It has (so far!) worked in Bosnia, and the Serbs and Bosnian Muslims are no longer slaughtering one another. I believe Dayton was a real world solution.
If you think that's the solution that happened in Bosnia, you know nothing about Bosnia. In fact, the Bosnia solution was about separating the two sides.
But sovereignty is SHARED between the two sides. Hence only a single Bosnian candidate status for EU membership and NATO membership.
but they are going to get neither membership until there is significant change in the peace solution. what the Dayton accords did was freeze the conflict in place.
Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?
Or is violence in politics only for some people?
There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
"Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"
Er, I can read and at no point does Corbyn say he supports the bombing of Israel. I hope for Mike's sake that Corbyn isn't litigious.
He supports Hamas and Hezbollah, two organisations that exist solely to bomb Israel and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel.
Your argument is as facile as suggesting people who openly supported the IRA during the Troubles weren't supporting bombings.
Oh wait - he did that too! 🤦♂️
He doesn't support Hamas and Hezbollah, he supports talking to them in order to make peace. Just as he supported talking to the IRA to make peace. Eventually the British government agreed with him in public (they'd been talking to the IRA in private for decades of course) and lo and behold, after talking to the IRA we now have peace in Northern Ireland.
He supported unconditional surrender to the IRA.
Only County Antrim now has a Protestant majority, according to Census 2021.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
Many in Israel have never wanted the Palestinians to exist as a state or a people.
and many in Palestine do not want Israel to exist as a state or the Jews to exist as a people.
If you have any solution to this conundrum I'm sure the UN would be delighted to hear it.
As far as I am aware, I am the only person here to suggest a way to create a peace, that might last, in Israel/Palestine. Requires no ethnic cleansing as a bonus.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
Your solution to the woes of the middle-east seems to be (to my reading)
1. Blame one actor in a complex situation for the entirety of the problem. 2. Insults. 3. ....?
I did call him a cockwomble
And that's a bit unfair
Sunil hasn't yet learnt what his cock's really for
He certainly wouldn't know how womble it
Have you counted those bodies yet, accurately, of course?
Nobody has
Certainly not your data providers at Hamas
I believe that the Magic Carpet bombs have still only killed innocent refugee children and child brides so far
Well, if you think you can provide the "correct" number of dead, quit your dead-end job, and go out there and count them!
Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?
Or is violence in politics only for some people?
There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
"Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"
Er, I can read and at no point does Corbyn say he supports the bombing of Israel. I hope for Mike's sake that Corbyn isn't litigious.
He supports Hamas and Hezbollah, two organisations that exist solely to bomb Israel and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel.
Your argument is as facile as suggesting people who openly supported the IRA during the Troubles weren't supporting bombings.
Oh wait - he did that too! 🤦♂️
He doesn't support Hamas and Hezbollah, he supports talking to them in order to make peace. Just as he supported talking to the IRA to make peace. Eventually the British government agreed with him in public (they'd been talking to the IRA in private for decades of course) and lo and behold, after talking to the IRA we now have peace in Northern Ireland.
He supported unconditional surrender to the IRA.
Only County Antrim now has a Protestant majority, according to Census 2021.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
Many in Israel have never wanted the Palestinians to exist as a state or a people.
and many in Palestine do not want Israel to exist as a state or the Jews to exist as a people.
If you have any solution to this conundrum I'm sure the UN would be delighted to hear it.
As far as I am aware, I am the only person here to suggest a way to create a peace, that might last, in Israel/Palestine. Requires no ethnic cleansing as a bonus.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
Your solution to the woes of the middle-east seems to be (to my reading)
1. Blame one actor in a complex situation for the entirety of the problem. 2. Insults. 3. ....?
Well your reading is false. See my "one-state" solution above.
Well, there we go - you've solved it. If you could email it to the UN it'd save a lot of fuss and nonsense.
Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?
Or is violence in politics only for some people?
There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
"Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"
Er, I can read and at no point does Corbyn say he supports the bombing of Israel. I hope for Mike's sake that Corbyn isn't litigious.
He supports Hamas and Hezbollah, two organisations that exist solely to bomb Israel and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel.
Your argument is as facile as suggesting people who openly supported the IRA during the Troubles weren't supporting bombings.
Oh wait - he did that too! 🤦♂️
He doesn't support Hamas and Hezbollah, he supports talking to them in order to make peace. Just as he supported talking to the IRA to make peace. Eventually the British government agreed with him in public (they'd been talking to the IRA in private for decades of course) and lo and behold, after talking to the IRA we now have peace in Northern Ireland.
He supported unconditional surrender to the IRA.
Only County Antrim now has a Protestant majority, according to Census 2021.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
Many in Israel have never wanted the Palestinians to exist as a state or a people.
and many in Palestine do not want Israel to exist as a state or the Jews to exist as a people.
If you have any solution to this conundrum I'm sure the UN would be delighted to hear it.
As far as I am aware, I am the only person here to suggest a way to create a peace, that might last, in Israel/Palestine. Requires no ethnic cleansing as a bonus.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
Your solution to the woes of the middle-east seems to be (to my reading)
1. Blame one actor in a complex situation for the entirety of the problem. 2. Insults. 3. ....?
Well your reading is false. See my "one-state" solution above.
Well, there we go - you've solved it. If you could email it to the UN it'd save a lot of fuss and nonsense.
It would be edifying to see YOUR solution...
There isn't a "solution", not any more. Not one as we understand it
One or other side will win - and drive the other from the land between the river and the sea. And at the moment it looks like the Israelis - mainly because the Palestinians seem to have no real support in the wider Arab/Muslim world, despite all the protests
Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?
Or is violence in politics only for some people?
There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
"Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"
Er, I can read and at no point does Corbyn say he supports the bombing of Israel. I hope for Mike's sake that Corbyn isn't litigious.
He supports Hamas and Hezbollah, two organisations that exist solely to bomb Israel and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel.
Your argument is as facile as suggesting people who openly supported the IRA during the Troubles weren't supporting bombings.
Oh wait - he did that too! 🤦♂️
He doesn't support Hamas and Hezbollah, he supports talking to them in order to make peace. Just as he supported talking to the IRA to make peace. Eventually the British government agreed with him in public (they'd been talking to the IRA in private for decades of course) and lo and behold, after talking to the IRA we now have peace in Northern Ireland.
He supported unconditional surrender to the IRA.
Only County Antrim now has a Protestant majority, according to Census 2021.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
Many in Israel have never wanted the Palestinians to exist as a state or a people.
and many in Palestine do not want Israel to exist as a state or the Jews to exist as a people.
If you have any solution to this conundrum I'm sure the UN would be delighted to hear it.
As far as I am aware, I am the only person here to suggest a way to create a peace, that might last, in Israel/Palestine. Requires no ethnic cleansing as a bonus.
Um, is it Tic Tac Toe??
Both sides claim the same land.
Solution - hire the Dutch. Make more land.
Um, the Dead Sea is only a tiny area!
The Mediterranean ain’t small
The Dead Sea is the part of Israel/Palestine below Sea Level.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
Your solution to the woes of the middle-east seems to be (to my reading)
1. Blame one actor in a complex situation for the entirety of the problem. 2. Insults. 3. ....?
I did call him a cockwomble
And that's a bit unfair
Sunil hasn't yet learnt what his cock's really for
He certainly wouldn't know how womble it
Have you counted those bodies yet, accurately, of course?
Nobody has
Certainly not your data providers at Hamas
I believe that the Magic Carpet bombs have still only killed innocent refugee children and child brides so far
Well, if you think you can provide the "correct" number of dead, quit your dead-end job, and go out there and count them!
All of those deaths are in the Hamas column
They hide within, under, and around every kind of building that should be protected from war
They are the vilest transgressors of all of the rules of war that I've known in my lifetime
And they're supported by at least 75% of the innocents
Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?
Or is violence in politics only for some people?
There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
"Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"
Er, I can read and at no point does Corbyn say he supports the bombing of Israel. I hope for Mike's sake that Corbyn isn't litigious.
He supports Hamas and Hezbollah, two organisations that exist solely to bomb Israel and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel.
Your argument is as facile as suggesting people who openly supported the IRA during the Troubles weren't supporting bombings.
Oh wait - he did that too! 🤦♂️
He doesn't support Hamas and Hezbollah, he supports talking to them in order to make peace. Just as he supported talking to the IRA to make peace. Eventually the British government agreed with him in public (they'd been talking to the IRA in private for decades of course) and lo and behold, after talking to the IRA we now have peace in Northern Ireland.
He supported unconditional surrender to the IRA.
Only County Antrim now has a Protestant majority, according to Census 2021.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
Many in Israel have never wanted the Palestinians to exist as a state or a people.
and many in Palestine do not want Israel to exist as a state or the Jews to exist as a people.
If you have any solution to this conundrum I'm sure the UN would be delighted to hear it.
As far as I am aware, I am the only person here to suggest a way to create a peace, that might last, in Israel/Palestine. Requires no ethnic cleansing as a bonus.
Um, is it Tic Tac Toe??
Both sides claim the same land.
Solution - hire the Dutch. Make more land.
Is that not our land? I'm sure I half snoozed through a geography VHS in secondary school that said the coast of Britain was gradually eroding away and attaching itself to the Netherlands, and the situation was kept that way 'because'. Though upon reflection it sounds like something I may have invented.
Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?
Or is violence in politics only for some people?
There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
"Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"
Er, I can read and at no point does Corbyn say he supports the bombing of Israel. I hope for Mike's sake that Corbyn isn't litigious.
He supports Hamas and Hezbollah, two organisations that exist solely to bomb Israel and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel.
Your argument is as facile as suggesting people who openly supported the IRA during the Troubles weren't supporting bombings.
Oh wait - he did that too! 🤦♂️
He doesn't support Hamas and Hezbollah, he supports talking to them in order to make peace. Just as he supported talking to the IRA to make peace. Eventually the British government agreed with him in public (they'd been talking to the IRA in private for decades of course) and lo and behold, after talking to the IRA we now have peace in Northern Ireland.
He supported unconditional surrender to the IRA.
Only County Antrim now has a Protestant majority, according to Census 2021.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
Many in Israel have never wanted the Palestinians to exist as a state or a people.
and many in Palestine do not want Israel to exist as a state or the Jews to exist as a people.
If you have any solution to this conundrum I'm sure the UN would be delighted to hear it.
As far as I am aware, I am the only person here to suggest a way to create a peace, that might last, in Israel/Palestine. Requires no ethnic cleansing as a bonus.
Um, is it Tic Tac Toe??
Both sides claim the same land.
Solution - hire the Dutch. Make more land.
Um, the Dead Sea is only a tiny area!
The Mediterranean ain’t small
The Dead Sea is the part of Israel/Palestine below Sea Level.
Not sure why you think that would do anything.
Build out from the existing Med coast. 20-30 miles. Maybe more.
Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?
Or is violence in politics only for some people?
There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
"Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"
Er, I can read and at no point does Corbyn say he supports the bombing of Israel. I hope for Mike's sake that Corbyn isn't litigious.
He supports Hamas and Hezbollah, two organisations that exist solely to bomb Israel and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel.
Your argument is as facile as suggesting people who openly supported the IRA during the Troubles weren't supporting bombings.
Oh wait - he did that too! 🤦♂️
He doesn't support Hamas and Hezbollah, he supports talking to them in order to make peace. Just as he supported talking to the IRA to make peace. Eventually the British government agreed with him in public (they'd been talking to the IRA in private for decades of course) and lo and behold, after talking to the IRA we now have peace in Northern Ireland.
He supported unconditional surrender to the IRA.
Only County Antrim now has a Protestant majority, according to Census 2021.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
Many in Israel have never wanted the Palestinians to exist as a state or a people.
and many in Palestine do not want Israel to exist as a state or the Jews to exist as a people.
If you have any solution to this conundrum I'm sure the UN would be delighted to hear it.
As far as I am aware, I am the only person here to suggest a way to create a peace, that might last, in Israel/Palestine. Requires no ethnic cleansing as a bonus.
Um, is it Tic Tac Toe??
Both sides claim the same land.
Solution - hire the Dutch. Make more land.
Is that not our land? I'm sure I half snoozed through a geography VHS in secondary school that said the coast of Britain was gradually eroding away and attaching itself to the Netherlands, and the situation was kept that way 'because'. Though upon reflection it sounds like something I may have invented.
I meant use the Dutch skills at making sea into land. On the coast of Israel.
Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?
Or is violence in politics only for some people?
There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
"Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"
Er, I can read and at no point does Corbyn say he supports the bombing of Israel. I hope for Mike's sake that Corbyn isn't litigious.
He supports Hamas and Hezbollah, two organisations that exist solely to bomb Israel and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel.
Your argument is as facile as suggesting people who openly supported the IRA during the Troubles weren't supporting bombings.
Oh wait - he did that too! 🤦♂️
He doesn't support Hamas and Hezbollah, he supports talking to them in order to make peace. Just as he supported talking to the IRA to make peace. Eventually the British government agreed with him in public (they'd been talking to the IRA in private for decades of course) and lo and behold, after talking to the IRA we now have peace in Northern Ireland.
He supported unconditional surrender to the IRA.
Only County Antrim now has a Protestant majority, according to Census 2021.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
Many in Israel have never wanted the Palestinians to exist as a state or a people.
and many in Palestine do not want Israel to exist as a state or the Jews to exist as a people.
If you have any solution to this conundrum I'm sure the UN would be delighted to hear it.
As far as I am aware, I am the only person here to suggest a way to create a peace, that might last, in Israel/Palestine. Requires no ethnic cleansing as a bonus.
Um, is it Tic Tac Toe??
Both sides claim the same land.
Solution - hire the Dutch. Make more land.
Um, the Dead Sea is only a tiny area!
The Mediterranean ain’t small
The Dead Sea is the part of Israel/Palestine below Sea Level.
Not sure why you think that would do anything.
Build out from the existing Med coast. 20-30 miles. Maybe more.
You're the one wot mentioned the Dutch. About 65% of the Netherlands is below the high tide mark were it not for their dykes, dunes and water pumps. 26% is below mean sea level.
Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?
Or is violence in politics only for some people?
There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
"Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"
Er, I can read and at no point does Corbyn say he supports the bombing of Israel. I hope for Mike's sake that Corbyn isn't litigious.
He supports Hamas and Hezbollah, two organisations that exist solely to bomb Israel and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel.
Your argument is as facile as suggesting people who openly supported the IRA during the Troubles weren't supporting bombings.
Oh wait - he did that too! 🤦♂️
He doesn't support Hamas and Hezbollah, he supports talking to them in order to make peace. Just as he supported talking to the IRA to make peace. Eventually the British government agreed with him in public (they'd been talking to the IRA in private for decades of course) and lo and behold, after talking to the IRA we now have peace in Northern Ireland.
He supported unconditional surrender to the IRA.
Only County Antrim now has a Protestant majority, according to Census 2021.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
Many in Israel have never wanted the Palestinians to exist as a state or a people.
and many in Palestine do not want Israel to exist as a state or the Jews to exist as a people.
If you have any solution to this conundrum I'm sure the UN would be delighted to hear it.
As far as I am aware, I am the only person here to suggest a way to create a peace, that might last, in Israel/Palestine. Requires no ethnic cleansing as a bonus.
Um, is it Tic Tac Toe??
Both sides claim the same land.
Solution - hire the Dutch. Make more land.
Um, the Dead Sea is only a tiny area!
The Mediterranean ain’t small
The Dead Sea is the part of Israel/Palestine below Sea Level.
Actually the whole Jordan Valley including the Sea of Galilee is also below sea level.
Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?
Or is violence in politics only for some people?
There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
"Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"
Er, I can read and at no point does Corbyn say he supports the bombing of Israel. I hope for Mike's sake that Corbyn isn't litigious.
He supports Hamas and Hezbollah, two organisations that exist solely to bomb Israel and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel.
Your argument is as facile as suggesting people who openly supported the IRA during the Troubles weren't supporting bombings.
Oh wait - he did that too! 🤦♂️
He doesn't support Hamas and Hezbollah, he supports talking to them in order to make peace. Just as he supported talking to the IRA to make peace. Eventually the British government agreed with him in public (they'd been talking to the IRA in private for decades of course) and lo and behold, after talking to the IRA we now have peace in Northern Ireland.
He supported unconditional surrender to the IRA.
Only County Antrim now has a Protestant majority, according to Census 2021.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
Many in Israel have never wanted the Palestinians to exist as a state or a people.
and many in Palestine do not want Israel to exist as a state or the Jews to exist as a people.
If you have any solution to this conundrum I'm sure the UN would be delighted to hear it.
A one-state solution where the people from both "tribes" can live, work and pray where they want (the biggest draw-back of the two-state solution is that it would surely create feelings of the "wrong" minority living on the "wrong" side of the border). Would also facilitate Jerusalem as some kind of a "neutral zone", given its importance not just to Judaism, but Christianity and Islam too.
That isn't a solution to the problem faced in the Middle East, and since you're not stupid you must know it is impossible. Neither side will even consider it and if tried it would lead to civil war on an even greater scale.
What about real world solutions?
It has (so far!) worked in Bosnia, and the Serbs and Bosnian Muslims are no longer slaughtering one another. I believe Dayton was a real world solution.
If you think that's the solution that happened in Bosnia, you know nothing about Bosnia. In fact, the Bosnia solution was about separating the two sides.
But sovereignty is SHARED between the two sides. Hence only a single Bosnian candidate status for EU membership and NATO membership.
but they are going to get neither membership until there is significant change in the peace solution. what the Dayton accords did was freeze the conflict in place.
At least the Bosnians have single national sports teams (eg. Footy), unlike the "countries" of the UK...
Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?
Or is violence in politics only for some people?
There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
"Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"
Er, I can read and at no point does Corbyn say he supports the bombing of Israel. I hope for Mike's sake that Corbyn isn't litigious.
He supports Hamas and Hezbollah, two organisations that exist solely to bomb Israel and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel.
Your argument is as facile as suggesting people who openly supported the IRA during the Troubles weren't supporting bombings.
Oh wait - he did that too! 🤦♂️
He doesn't support Hamas and Hezbollah, he supports talking to them in order to make peace. Just as he supported talking to the IRA to make peace. Eventually the British government agreed with him in public (they'd been talking to the IRA in private for decades of course) and lo and behold, after talking to the IRA we now have peace in Northern Ireland.
He supported unconditional surrender to the IRA.
Only County Antrim now has a Protestant majority, according to Census 2021.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
Many in Israel have never wanted the Palestinians to exist as a state or a people.
and many in Palestine do not want Israel to exist as a state or the Jews to exist as a people.
If you have any solution to this conundrum I'm sure the UN would be delighted to hear it.
As far as I am aware, I am the only person here to suggest a way to create a peace, that might last, in Israel/Palestine. Requires no ethnic cleansing as a bonus.
Um, is it Tic Tac Toe??
Both sides claim the same land.
Solution - hire the Dutch. Make more land.
Um, the Dead Sea is only a tiny area!
The Mediterranean ain’t small
The Dead Sea is the part of Israel/Palestine below Sea Level.
Not sure why you think that would do anything.
Build out from the existing Med coast. 20-30 miles. Maybe more.
You're the one wot mentioned the Dutch. About 65% of the Netherlands is below the high tide mark were it not for their dykes, dunes and water pumps. 26% is below mean sea level.
That’s because large chunks of the Netherlands are former sea floor.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
Your solution to the woes of the middle-east seems to be (to my reading)
1. Blame one actor in a complex situation for the entirety of the problem. 2. Insults. 3. ....?
I did call him a cockwomble
And that's a bit unfair
Sunil hasn't yet learnt what his cock's really for
He certainly wouldn't know how womble it
Have you counted those bodies yet, accurately, of course?
Nobody has
Certainly not your data providers at Hamas
I believe that the Magic Carpet bombs have still only killed innocent refugee children and child brides so far
Well, if you think you can provide the "correct" number of dead, quit your dead-end job, and go out there and count them!
All of those deaths are in the Hamas column
They hide within, under, and around every kind of building that should be protected from war
They are the vilest transgressors of all of the rules of war that I've known in my lifetime
And they're supported by at least 75% of the innocents
Israel has killed FIFTEEN times as many people as Hamas have in the last three months.
Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?
Or is violence in politics only for some people?
There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
"Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"
Er, I can read and at no point does Corbyn say he supports the bombing of Israel. I hope for Mike's sake that Corbyn isn't litigious.
He supports Hamas and Hezbollah, two organisations that exist solely to bomb Israel and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel.
Your argument is as facile as suggesting people who openly supported the IRA during the Troubles weren't supporting bombings.
Oh wait - he did that too! 🤦♂️
He doesn't support Hamas and Hezbollah, he supports talking to them in order to make peace. Just as he supported talking to the IRA to make peace. Eventually the British government agreed with him in public (they'd been talking to the IRA in private for decades of course) and lo and behold, after talking to the IRA we now have peace in Northern Ireland.
He supported unconditional surrender to the IRA.
Only County Antrim now has a Protestant majority, according to Census 2021.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
Many in Israel have never wanted the Palestinians to exist as a state or a people.
and many in Palestine do not want Israel to exist as a state or the Jews to exist as a people.
If you have any solution to this conundrum I'm sure the UN would be delighted to hear it.
As far as I am aware, I am the only person here to suggest a way to create a peace, that might last, in Israel/Palestine. Requires no ethnic cleansing as a bonus.
Um, is it Tic Tac Toe??
Both sides claim the same land.
Solution - hire the Dutch. Make more land.
Um, the Dead Sea is only a tiny area!
The Mediterranean ain’t small
The Dead Sea is the part of Israel/Palestine below Sea Level.
Not sure why you think that would do anything.
Build out from the existing Med coast. 20-30 miles. Maybe more.
You're the one wot mentioned the Dutch. About 65% of the Netherlands is below the high tide mark were it not for their dykes, dunes and water pumps. 26% is below mean sea level.
That’s because large chunks of the Netherlands are former sea floor.
Which bits did they reclaim from the North Sea proper? And how is the Med coast of Israel/Gaza similar to the IJsselmeer?
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
Your solution to the woes of the middle-east seems to be (to my reading)
1. Blame one actor in a complex situation for the entirety of the problem. 2. Insults. 3. ....?
I did call him a cockwomble
And that's a bit unfair
Sunil hasn't yet learnt what his cock's really for
He certainly wouldn't know how womble it
Have you counted those bodies yet, accurately, of course?
Nobody has
Certainly not your data providers at Hamas
I believe that the Magic Carpet bombs have still only killed innocent refugee children and child brides so far
Well, if you think you can provide the "correct" number of dead, quit your dead-end job, and go out there and count them!
All of those deaths are in the Hamas column
They hide within, under, and around every kind of building that should be protected from war
They are the vilest transgressors of all of the rules of war that I've known in my lifetime
And they're supported by at least 75% of the innocents
Israel has killed FIFTEEN times as many people as Hamas have in the last three months.
How many Jews do you want dead before Hamas is eliminated?
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
Your solution to the woes of the middle-east seems to be (to my reading)
1. Blame one actor in a complex situation for the entirety of the problem. 2. Insults. 3. ....?
I did call him a cockwomble
And that's a bit unfair
Sunil hasn't yet learnt what his cock's really for
He certainly wouldn't know how womble it
Have you counted those bodies yet, accurately, of course?
Nobody has
Certainly not your data providers at Hamas
I believe that the Magic Carpet bombs have still only killed innocent refugee children and child brides so far
Well, if you think you can provide the "correct" number of dead, quit your dead-end job, and go out there and count them!
All of those deaths are in the Hamas column
They hide within, under, and around every kind of building that should be protected from war
They are the vilest transgressors of all of the rules of war that I've known in my lifetime
And they're supported by at least 75% of the innocents
Israel has killed FIFTEEN times as many people as Hamas have in the last three months.
How many Jews do you want dead before Hamas is eliminated?
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
Your solution to the woes of the middle-east seems to be (to my reading)
1. Blame one actor in a complex situation for the entirety of the problem. 2. Insults. 3. ....?
I did call him a cockwomble
And that's a bit unfair
Sunil hasn't yet learnt what his cock's really for
He certainly wouldn't know how womble it
Have you counted those bodies yet, accurately, of course?
Nobody has
Certainly not your data providers at Hamas
I believe that the Magic Carpet bombs have still only killed innocent refugee children and child brides so far
Well, if you think you can provide the "correct" number of dead, quit your dead-end job, and go out there and count them!
All of those deaths are in the Hamas column
They hide within, under, and around every kind of building that should be protected from war
They are the vilest transgressors of all of the rules of war that I've known in my lifetime
And they're supported by at least 75% of the innocents
Israel has killed FIFTEEN times as many people as Hamas have in the last three months.
How many Jews do you want dead before Hamas is eliminated?
Hamas must be destroyed. But the Israeli government are also wankers.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
Your solution to the woes of the middle-east seems to be (to my reading)
1. Blame one actor in a complex situation for the entirety of the problem. 2. Insults. 3. ....?
I did call him a cockwomble
And that's a bit unfair
Sunil hasn't yet learnt what his cock's really for
He certainly wouldn't know how womble it
Have you counted those bodies yet, accurately, of course?
Nobody has
Certainly not your data providers at Hamas
I believe that the Magic Carpet bombs have still only killed innocent refugee children and child brides so far
Well, if you think you can provide the "correct" number of dead, quit your dead-end job, and go out there and count them!
All of those deaths are in the Hamas column
They hide within, under, and around every kind of building that should be protected from war
They are the vilest transgressors of all of the rules of war that I've known in my lifetime
And they're supported by at least 75% of the innocents
Israel has killed FIFTEEN times as many people as Hamas have in the last three months.
How many Jews do you want dead before Hamas is eliminated?
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
Your solution to the woes of the middle-east seems to be (to my reading)
1. Blame one actor in a complex situation for the entirety of the problem. 2. Insults. 3. ....?
I did call him a cockwomble
And that's a bit unfair
Sunil hasn't yet learnt what his cock's really for
He certainly wouldn't know how womble it
Have you counted those bodies yet, accurately, of course?
Nobody has
Certainly not your data providers at Hamas
I believe that the Magic Carpet bombs have still only killed innocent refugee children and child brides so far
Well, if you think you can provide the "correct" number of dead, quit your dead-end job, and go out there and count them!
All of those deaths are in the Hamas column
They hide within, under, and around every kind of building that should be protected from war
They are the vilest transgressors of all of the rules of war that I've known in my lifetime
And they're supported by at least 75% of the innocents
Israel has killed FIFTEEN times as many people as Hamas have in the last three months.
How many Jews do you want dead before Hamas is eliminated?
How many Arabs do YOU want dead?
Every single one that provides your numbers
You make terrorist approved pie charts ffs
What do you mean terrorist-approved? The numbers are there on Wikipedia. If you know better, you can edit the article yourself.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
Your solution to the woes of the middle-east seems to be (to my reading)
1. Blame one actor in a complex situation for the entirety of the problem. 2. Insults. 3. ....?
I did call him a cockwomble
And that's a bit unfair
Sunil hasn't yet learnt what his cock's really for
He certainly wouldn't know how womble it
Have you counted those bodies yet, accurately, of course?
Nobody has
Certainly not your data providers at Hamas
I believe that the Magic Carpet bombs have still only killed innocent refugee children and child brides so far
Well, if you think you can provide the "correct" number of dead, quit your dead-end job, and go out there and count them!
All of those deaths are in the Hamas column
They hide within, under, and around every kind of building that should be protected from war
They are the vilest transgressors of all of the rules of war that I've known in my lifetime
And they're supported by at least 75% of the innocents
Israel has killed FIFTEEN times as many people as Hamas have in the last three months.
How many Jews do you want dead before Hamas is eliminated?
Hamas must be destroyed. But the Israeli government are also wankers.
It’s like watching Rangers v Celtic or Man U v Man City. You want both teams to lose.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
Your solution to the woes of the middle-east seems to be (to my reading)
1. Blame one actor in a complex situation for the entirety of the problem. 2. Insults. 3. ....?
I did call him a cockwomble
And that's a bit unfair
Sunil hasn't yet learnt what his cock's really for
He certainly wouldn't know how womble it
Have you counted those bodies yet, accurately, of course?
Nobody has
Certainly not your data providers at Hamas
I believe that the Magic Carpet bombs have still only killed innocent refugee children and child brides so far
Well, if you think you can provide the "correct" number of dead, quit your dead-end job, and go out there and count them!
All of those deaths are in the Hamas column
They hide within, under, and around every kind of building that should be protected from war
They are the vilest transgressors of all of the rules of war that I've known in my lifetime
And they're supported by at least 75% of the innocents
Israel has killed FIFTEEN times as many people as Hamas have in the last three months.
How many Jews do you want dead before Hamas is eliminated?
How many Arabs do YOU want dead?
Every single one that provides your numbers
You make terrorist approved pie charts ffs
What do you mean terrorist-approved? The numbers are there on Wikipedia. If you know better, you can edit the article yourself.
Freer is an obsessive supporter of Israel and all it's work. However much graffitti is painted on his office walls I bet actuarilly he's a 1000 times safer in his Finchley office than any single child in Gaza whom he wants Israel to continue bombing.
I presume you would support the firebombing of a Pro Palestine MPs office?
Or is violence in politics only for some people?
There are no pro Palestinian MP's who support the bombing of Israel.
You seem to be unaware of the Life and Works of Jeremy Corbyn, MP
Nice of you to return with a juicy bit of libel for us.
"Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn: Why I called Hamas our friends"
Er, I can read and at no point does Corbyn say he supports the bombing of Israel. I hope for Mike's sake that Corbyn isn't litigious.
He supports Hamas and Hezbollah, two organisations that exist solely to bomb Israel and whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel.
Your argument is as facile as suggesting people who openly supported the IRA during the Troubles weren't supporting bombings.
Oh wait - he did that too! 🤦♂️
He doesn't support Hamas and Hezbollah, he supports talking to them in order to make peace. Just as he supported talking to the IRA to make peace. Eventually the British government agreed with him in public (they'd been talking to the IRA in private for decades of course) and lo and behold, after talking to the IRA we now have peace in Northern Ireland.
He supported unconditional surrender to the IRA.
Only County Antrim now has a Protestant majority, according to Census 2021.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
Who do you blame for those deaths Sunil? What should Israel have done? What is happening is horrendous and I have huge sympathy for all innocents affected by this. At some point the conundrum of a Israel vs people who think Israel shouldn’t exist needs to be resolved. It’s not easy to see how.
Many in Israel have never wanted the Palestinians to exist as a state or a people.
and many in Palestine do not want Israel to exist as a state or the Jews to exist as a people.
If you have any solution to this conundrum I'm sure the UN would be delighted to hear it.
As far as I am aware, I am the only person here to suggest a way to create a peace, that might last, in Israel/Palestine. Requires no ethnic cleansing as a bonus.
Um, is it Tic Tac Toe??
Both sides claim the same land.
Solution - hire the Dutch. Make more land.
Um, the Dead Sea is only a tiny area!
The Mediterranean ain’t small
The Dead Sea is the part of Israel/Palestine below Sea Level.
Not sure why you think that would do anything.
Build out from the existing Med coast. 20-30 miles. Maybe more.
You're the one wot mentioned the Dutch. About 65% of the Netherlands is below the high tide mark were it not for their dykes, dunes and water pumps. 26% is below mean sea level.
That’s because large chunks of the Netherlands are former sea floor.
Which bits did they reclaim from the North Sea proper? And how is the Med coast of Israel/Gaza similar to the IJsselmeer?
Didn’t say it would be easy. This is 100s of Billions and decades to do.
I also note it is the most read article on the Spectator today. How does this imbecile achieve this influence? It is a condemnation of our idiotic times
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
Your solution to the woes of the middle-east seems to be (to my reading)
1. Blame one actor in a complex situation for the entirety of the problem. 2. Insults. 3. ....?
I did call him a cockwomble
And that's a bit unfair
Sunil hasn't yet learnt what his cock's really for
He certainly wouldn't know how womble it
Have you counted those bodies yet, accurately, of course?
Nobody has
Certainly not your data providers at Hamas
I believe that the Magic Carpet bombs have still only killed innocent refugee children and child brides so far
Well, if you think you can provide the "correct" number of dead, quit your dead-end job, and go out there and count them!
All of those deaths are in the Hamas column
They hide within, under, and around every kind of building that should be protected from war
They are the vilest transgressors of all of the rules of war that I've known in my lifetime
And they're supported by at least 75% of the innocents
Israel has killed FIFTEEN times as many people as Hamas have in the last three months.
How many Jews do you want dead before Hamas is eliminated?
How many Arabs do YOU want dead?
Every single one that provides your numbers
You make terrorist approved pie charts ffs
What do you mean terrorist-approved? The numbers are there on Wikipedia. If you know better, you can edit the article yourself.
I also note it is the most read article on the Spectator today. How does this imbecile achieve this influence? It is a condemnation of our idiotic times
Could he be a, dare I say it, AI "Entity" created by the Speccie to garner better readership?
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
Your solution to the woes of the middle-east seems to be (to my reading)
1. Blame one actor in a complex situation for the entirety of the problem. 2. Insults. 3. ....?
I did call him a cockwomble
And that's a bit unfair
Sunil hasn't yet learnt what his cock's really for
He certainly wouldn't know how womble it
Have you counted those bodies yet, accurately, of course?
Nobody has
Certainly not your data providers at Hamas
I believe that the Magic Carpet bombs have still only killed innocent refugee children and child brides so far
Well, if you think you can provide the "correct" number of dead, quit your dead-end job, and go out there and count them!
All of those deaths are in the Hamas column
They hide within, under, and around every kind of building that should be protected from war
They are the vilest transgressors of all of the rules of war that I've known in my lifetime
And they're supported by at least 75% of the innocents
Israel has killed FIFTEEN times as many people as Hamas have in the last three months.
How many Jews do you want dead before Hamas is eliminated?
How many Arabs do YOU want dead?
Every single one that provides your numbers
You make terrorist approved pie charts ffs
What do you mean terrorist-approved? The numbers are there on Wikipedia. If you know better, you can edit the article yourself.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
Your solution to the woes of the middle-east seems to be (to my reading)
1. Blame one actor in a complex situation for the entirety of the problem. 2. Insults. 3. ....?
I did call him a cockwomble
And that's a bit unfair
Sunil hasn't yet learnt what his cock's really for
He certainly wouldn't know how womble it
Have you counted those bodies yet, accurately, of course?
Nobody has
Certainly not your data providers at Hamas
I believe that the Magic Carpet bombs have still only killed innocent refugee children and child brides so far
Well, if you think you can provide the "correct" number of dead, quit your dead-end job, and go out there and count them!
All of those deaths are in the Hamas column
They hide within, under, and around every kind of building that should be protected from war
They are the vilest transgressors of all of the rules of war that I've known in my lifetime
And they're supported by at least 75% of the innocents
Israel has killed FIFTEEN times as many people as Hamas have in the last three months.
How many Jews do you want dead before Hamas is eliminated?
How many Arabs do YOU want dead?
Every single one that provides your numbers
You make terrorist approved pie charts ffs
What do you mean terrorist-approved? The numbers are there on Wikipedia. If you know better, you can edit the article yourself.
I also note it is the most read article on the Spectator today. How does this imbecile achieve this influence? It is a condemnation of our idiotic times
Could he be a, dare I say it, AI "Entity" created by the Speccie to garner better readership?
Could he be a, dare I say it, AI "Entity" created by the Speccie to garner lower readership? FTFY.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
Your solution to the woes of the middle-east seems to be (to my reading)
1. Blame one actor in a complex situation for the entirety of the problem. 2. Insults. 3. ....?
I did call him a cockwomble
And that's a bit unfair
Sunil hasn't yet learnt what his cock's really for
He certainly wouldn't know how womble it
Have you counted those bodies yet, accurately, of course?
Nobody has
Certainly not your data providers at Hamas
I believe that the Magic Carpet bombs have still only killed innocent refugee children and child brides so far
Well, if you think you can provide the "correct" number of dead, quit your dead-end job, and go out there and count them!
All of those deaths are in the Hamas column
They hide within, under, and around every kind of building that should be protected from war
They are the vilest transgressors of all of the rules of war that I've known in my lifetime
And they're supported by at least 75% of the innocents
Israel has killed FIFTEEN times as many people as Hamas have in the last three months.
How many Jews do you want dead before Hamas is eliminated?
How many Arabs do YOU want dead?
Every single one that provides your numbers
You make terrorist approved pie charts ffs
What do you mean terrorist-approved? The numbers are there on Wikipedia. If you know better, you can edit the article yourself.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
Your solution to the woes of the middle-east seems to be (to my reading)
1. Blame one actor in a complex situation for the entirety of the problem. 2. Insults. 3. ....?
I did call him a cockwomble
And that's a bit unfair
Sunil hasn't yet learnt what his cock's really for
He certainly wouldn't know how womble it
Have you counted those bodies yet, accurately, of course?
Nobody has
Certainly not your data providers at Hamas
I believe that the Magic Carpet bombs have still only killed innocent refugee children and child brides so far
Well, if you think you can provide the "correct" number of dead, quit your dead-end job, and go out there and count them!
All of those deaths are in the Hamas column
They hide within, under, and around every kind of building that should be protected from war
They are the vilest transgressors of all of the rules of war that I've known in my lifetime
And they're supported by at least 75% of the innocents
Israel has killed FIFTEEN times as many people as Hamas have in the last three months.
How many Jews do you want dead before Hamas is eliminated?
How many Arabs do YOU want dead?
Every single one that provides your numbers
You make terrorist approved pie charts ffs
What do you mean terrorist-approved? The numbers are there on Wikipedia. If you know better, you can edit the article yourself.
The number you're quoting counts terrorists the same as civilians, so presumably you think either: - the terrorists aren't legitimate military targets; or - the civilians are somehow legitimate targets the same as the terrorists.
It's pretty clear from the context you don't believe the latter. So it's the former, in which case the label "terrorist approved" seems justified.
Just wondering: how do you count suicides of Supernova festival survivors who couldn't process the trauma of having watched their friends being gang-raped to death by genocidal maniacs? Are they included in the pie charts?
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
Your solution to the woes of the middle-east seems to be (to my reading)
1. Blame one actor in a complex situation for the entirety of the problem. 2. Insults. 3. ....?
I did call him a cockwomble
And that's a bit unfair
Sunil hasn't yet learnt what his cock's really for
He certainly wouldn't know how womble it
Have you counted those bodies yet, accurately, of course?
Nobody has
Certainly not your data providers at Hamas
I believe that the Magic Carpet bombs have still only killed innocent refugee children and child brides so far
Well, if you think you can provide the "correct" number of dead, quit your dead-end job, and go out there and count them!
All of those deaths are in the Hamas column
They hide within, under, and around every kind of building that should be protected from war
They are the vilest transgressors of all of the rules of war that I've known in my lifetime
And they're supported by at least 75% of the innocents
Israel has killed FIFTEEN times as many people as Hamas have in the last three months.
How many Jews do you want dead before Hamas is eliminated?
How many Arabs do YOU want dead?
Every single fighter for and supporter of Hamas would be a good start.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
Your solution to the woes of the middle-east seems to be (to my reading)
1. Blame one actor in a complex situation for the entirety of the problem. 2. Insults. 3. ....?
I did call him a cockwomble
And that's a bit unfair
Sunil hasn't yet learnt what his cock's really for
He certainly wouldn't know how womble it
Have you counted those bodies yet, accurately, of course?
Nobody has
Certainly not your data providers at Hamas
I believe that the Magic Carpet bombs have still only killed innocent refugee children and child brides so far
Well, if you think you can provide the "correct" number of dead, quit your dead-end job, and go out there and count them!
All of those deaths are in the Hamas column
They hide within, under, and around every kind of building that should be protected from war
They are the vilest transgressors of all of the rules of war that I've known in my lifetime
And they're supported by at least 75% of the innocents
Israel has killed FIFTEEN times as many people as Hamas have in the last three months.
How many Jews do you want dead before Hamas is eliminated?
How many Arabs do YOU want dead?
Every single one that provides your numbers
You make terrorist approved pie charts ffs
What do you mean terrorist-approved? The numbers are there on Wikipedia. If you know better, you can edit the article yourself.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
Your solution to the woes of the middle-east seems to be (to my reading)
1. Blame one actor in a complex situation for the entirety of the problem. 2. Insults. 3. ....?
I did call him a cockwomble
And that's a bit unfair
Sunil hasn't yet learnt what his cock's really for
He certainly wouldn't know how womble it
Have you counted those bodies yet, accurately, of course?
Nobody has
Certainly not your data providers at Hamas
I believe that the Magic Carpet bombs have still only killed innocent refugee children and child brides so far
Well, if you think you can provide the "correct" number of dead, quit your dead-end job, and go out there and count them!
All of those deaths are in the Hamas column
They hide within, under, and around every kind of building that should be protected from war
They are the vilest transgressors of all of the rules of war that I've known in my lifetime
And they're supported by at least 75% of the innocents
Israel has killed FIFTEEN times as many people as Hamas have in the last three months.
How many Jews do you want dead before Hamas is eliminated?
How many Arabs do YOU want dead?
Every single one that provides your numbers
You make terrorist approved pie charts ffs
What do you mean terrorist-approved? The numbers are there on Wikipedia. If you know better, you can edit the article yourself.
The number you're quoting counts terrorists the same as civilians, so presumably you think either: - the terrorists aren't legitimate military targets; or - the civilians are somehow legitimate targets the same as the terrorists.
It's pretty clear from the context you don't believe the latter. So it's the former, in which case the label "terrorist approved" seems justified.
Just wondering: how do you count suicides of Supernova festival survivors who couldn't process the trauma of having watched their friends being gang-raped to death by genocidal maniacs? Are they included in the pie charts?
The blue part of the pie chart I posted earlier in the thread counts all Israeli dead on and since 7/10.
This pie chart breaks down the Israeli dead on 7/10 itself:
In a smaller, adjacent, shrub-hemmed field, Corporal Dura_Ace was supervising, mostly, as the Arab prisoner covered the British bodies with rocks gathered at the remains of the stone fence surrounding the Hamas stronghold that had been taken out by a Laser-Guided Bomb just days before.
Dura_Ace and the prisoner had potato-sack hauled the nine bodies here - the ambushed SAS patrol and poor old SeanT - and it was a hard, grisly, thankless task.
Dura_Ace had seen it that SeanT was taken care of first, and now all but two of the fallen SAS personnel had been covered with the stones, the Arab's breath heaving with toil and fear, his boyish face blood-streaked, his hands stained red. The corporal was marking each temporary, above-ground grave with a machine gun, alerting the burial squads to these bodies. Now and then the Arab's eyes would meet Dura_Ace's cold gaze, and the prisoner would work harder, even more industriously covering up the carnage he'd help create.
Finally Dura_Ace told the prisoner to take a break, and they both sat on the ground. Dura_Ace lit up a cigarette, which he kept for himself, and then another which he immediately offered to the Arab, who had been watching hungrily.
'British cigarette,' the Arab said, puffing, grinning crazily, desperately. 'I like British... er... Grommit... er... Wrong trousers! Close Shave!'
Dura_Ace nodded, smiling, 'Yeah, that's right. Wallace and Grommit. A Grand Day out, The Wrong Trousers, and then A Close Shave.'
'Yah! Wallace and Grommit!'
They were still sitting when Captain Smithson came tromping into the field, followed by Sergeant Herdson, and the rest of the squad, what was left of it anyway: Blanche_Livermore, Bartholomew_Roberts, and Leon.
'Get him off his Arab arse,' Blanche snarled.
Dura_Ace rose, and the Arab mimicked him, pitching his cigarette. Captain Smithson went from grave to grave, removing ammo from the machine guns Dura_Ace had set there, deactivating the weapons. Sergeant Herdson followed, as if he were tidying up after the captain, gathering the extra ammo. Machine guns in hand, Bartholomew and Blanche and Leon moved slowly, ominously towards the prisoner, forming a loose semi-circle around him. The Arab took anxious notice of this, and went back to stacking rocks atop the body, as if getting the corpses covered would make his problem go away.
He muttered something in Arabic, nodding to the rock-pile graves, still working feverishly, proving his worth, his obedience. He repeated the muttering.
'He says he's not finished yet,' Dura_Ace said.
'That's what he thinks,' Blanche said, barely concealing their hatred. 'You're finished, alright, Rag-head!'
Summoning all their strength, Blanche grabbed the prisoner by his camouflage shirt, and Leon joined in. They dragged him from the stony grave, the latest rock slipping from his fingers, his face contorted with fear as he cried out in Arabic.
As my father asked on Christmas Day over the turkey, what do Gazans do for a living? How does their economy work? I suspect the whole place is a refugee camp in reality, and now it seems Israel is going to close it down. Is their end game Gaza uninhabitable and all remaining Gazans forced to other refugee camps? It’s beginning to look like it.
I have huge sympathy for Israel. What we we do if a similar terrorist act ( yes BBC, Hamas are terrorists) were carried out on U.K. soil? But all those expressing an opinion around our table now thought Israel had gone too far.
Well, with respect, we didn't carpet bomb West Belfast or Derry in the wake of Warrenpoint/Lord Mountbatten, or Enniskillen, or Omagh.
No we didn’t, but the scale and sheer nastiness of what Hamas did is a factor.
Since 7th October, Israel has killed 15 times, yes FIFTEEN times, as many people as Hamas did. 21,110 divided by 1,387 = 15.22
What sort of cockwomble goes to four significant figures when dividing their terrorist tally?
As a thicko postie from some Northern shit-hole [second thoughts and a quick glance in TSE's direction] (no offence!), you could always quit your dead-end job, and go out there to count the bodies yourself, to improve the accuracy of the data!
Your solution to the woes of the middle-east seems to be (to my reading)
1. Blame one actor in a complex situation for the entirety of the problem. 2. Insults. 3. ....?
I did call him a cockwomble
And that's a bit unfair
Sunil hasn't yet learnt what his cock's really for
He certainly wouldn't know how womble it
Have you counted those bodies yet, accurately, of course?
Nobody has
Certainly not your data providers at Hamas
I believe that the Magic Carpet bombs have still only killed innocent refugee children and child brides so far
Well, if you think you can provide the "correct" number of dead, quit your dead-end job, and go out there and count them!
All of those deaths are in the Hamas column
They hide within, under, and around every kind of building that should be protected from war
They are the vilest transgressors of all of the rules of war that I've known in my lifetime
And they're supported by at least 75% of the innocents
Israel has killed FIFTEEN times as many people as Hamas have in the last three months.
How many Jews do you want dead before Hamas is eliminated?
How many Arabs do YOU want dead?
Every single one that provides your numbers
You make terrorist approved pie charts ffs
What do you mean terrorist-approved? The numbers are there on Wikipedia. If you know better, you can edit the article yourself.
The number you're quoting counts terrorists the same as civilians, so presumably you think either: - the terrorists aren't legitimate military targets; or - the civilians are somehow legitimate targets the same as the terrorists.
It's pretty clear from the context you don't believe the latter. So it's the former, in which case the label "terrorist approved" seems justified.
Just wondering: how do you count suicides of Supernova festival survivors who couldn't process the trauma of having watched their friends being gang-raped to death by genocidal maniacs? Are they included in the pie charts?
The blue part of the pie chart I posted earlier in the thread counts all Israeli dead on and since 7/10.
This pie chart breaks down the Israeli dead on 7/10 itself:
Please stop pie charting death
You've never made a discernably meaningful point with any of your death pie charts
And the Arab suddenly pulled away from his captors, scooping up the rock he dropped, and hastily returned to covering up the corpses.
The sound of Bartholomew racking his machine gun off safety froze the prisoner, and he carefully got to his feet and turned to face them.
'Please,' he said in English, pleadingly. 'I like Israel!' His accent was thick, almost stereotypically Middle Eastern, his teeth bared in a miserable, desperate excuse for a smile. 'How do you do? Nice to meet you! Do you have the time?'
Leon racked his machine gun off safety. The Arab began to laugh, softly, hysterically. Tears were welling as he said, 'Gal Gadot! What a dish! Dana International? Nice gams!' And the prisoner lifted hisslacks to the knees, laughing.
Blanche racked their machine gun off safety. The Arab stood straight now, his legs still exposed. He started singing part of the Israeli national anthem, 'Hatikvah...' However, that was all he knew; he kept singing the word again and again. 'Hatikvah... Hatikvah....'
The three privates were standing in firing-squad fashion now, facing the prisoner. Sickened, Dura_Ace looked away. Smithson was still dismantling machine guns, Herdson gathering ammo, as if completely unaware, or anyway unconcerned, about what was happening. The young prisoner finally played his trump card:
'Fuck Hamas!' he glanced first at Dura_Ace, then at the privates. 'Fuck Hamas!'
'Fuck you!' Bartholomew said. The prisoner lurched for Dura_Ace, grabbing his arm, and spewed a terrified stream of Arabic at the corporal.
Dura_Ace called to Smithson, 'Sir, he says he's sorry about SeanT. I don't think he was the gunner, sir!'
'Tell him 'sorry' don't cut the mustard,' Leon said, the big machine gun loose and deadly in the former flint-knapper's hands. 'Tell him my piles bleed for him.'
'Tell him...,' Smithson finally said, 'the war's over for him.' The squad members were nodding, Leon saying, 'Fuckin' 'ell,' and Smithson was dropping the last of the disarmed machine guns down and striding over to the Arab. A handkerchief came from one of the captain's pockets and he swiftly tied it around the Arab's head, in blindfold fashion.
'Sir,' Dura_Ace said softly but urgently, 'this isn't right.'
Smithson knew that Dura_Ace had very pro-Arab sympathies before the Braverman government introduced the draft in preparation for this land war in support of Israel, in fact he was only drafted back into the military because of his verbal Arabic skills, but the captain replied without umbrage.
'Just tell him, corporal. Tell him what I just said.'
Nodding, Dura_Ace then whispered to the Arab. Smithson spun the prisoner around, so that his back was towards the squad. Resigned to whatever Smithson's order might be, Herdson reluctantly fell in line with the privates and racked his weapon off safety. The prisoner jumped. Smithson looked at his squad - Leon's eyes were glittering, Bartholomew's were hooded with a hunter's nonchalance, Blanche's were as dead as the stones covering the corpses.
Then Smithson said to Dura_Ace, 'Tell him to march two hundred paces and wait until he can't hear us anymore. Then he's to surrender himself to the first NATO patrol he runs into.'
'What?' Bartholomew said, shaking his head as if his ears were lying to him. 'Wait a goddam minute...'
'Yes, sir,' Dura_Ace said, relieved, but careful not to smile. And to the young Arab he repeated Smithson's order in Arabic. Then the captain checked the blindfold, snugging the knot tight, then patted the Arab twice on the shoulder, signalling him to take off, which he did.
'Close shave,' the Arab smiled, and said something like farewell in the vernacular.
Dura_Ace finally allowed himself a smile. The former prisoner's erstwhile captors watched him disappear into the distance, singing what sounded like, 'It's coming home, it's coming home!' until he was too far away for them to hear anything.
And the Arab suddenly pulled away from his captors, scooping up the rock he dropped, and hastily returned to covering up the corpses.
The sound of Bartholomew racking his machine gun off safety froze the prisoner, and he carefully got to his feet and turned to face them.
'Please,' he said in English, pleadingly. 'I like Israel!' His accent was thick, almost stereotypically Middle Eastern, his teeth bared in a miserable, desperate excuse for a smile. 'How do you do? Nice to meet you! Do you have the time?'
Leon racked his machine gun off safety. The Arab began to laugh, softly, hysterically. Tears were welling as he said, 'Gal Gadot! What a dish! Dana International? Nice gams!' And the prisoner lifted hisslacks to the knees, laughing.
Blanche racked their machine gun off safety. The Arab stood straight now, his legs still exposed. He started singing part of the Israeli national anthem, 'Hatikvah...' However, that was all he knew; he kept singing the word again and again. 'Hatikvah... Hatikvah....'
The three privates were standing in firing-squad fashion now, facing the prisoner. Sickened, Dura_Ace looked away. Smithson was still dismantling machine guns, Herdson gathering ammo, as if completely unaware, or anyway unconcerned, about what was happening. The young prisoner finally played his trump card:
'Fuck Hamas!' he glanced first at Dura_Ace, then at the privates. 'Fuck Hamas!'
'Fuck you!' Bartholomew said. The prisoner lurched for Dura_Ace, grabbing his arm, and spewed a terrified stream of Arabic at the corporal.
Dura_Ace called to Smithson, 'Sir, he says he's sorry about SeanT. I don't think he was the gunner, sir!'
'Tell him 'sorry' don't cut the mustard,' Leon said, the big machine gun loose and deadly in the former flint-knapper's hands. 'Tell him my piles bleed for him.'
'Tell him...,' Smithson finally said, 'the war's over for him.' The squad members were nodding, Leon saying, 'Fuckin' 'ell,' and Smithson was dropping the last of the disarmed machine guns down and striding over to the Arab. A handkerchief came from one of the captain's pockets and he swiftly tied it around the Arab's head, in blindfold fashion.
'Sir,' Dura_Ace said softly but urgently, 'this isn't right.'
Smithson knew that Dura_Ace had very pro-Arab sympathies before the Braverman government introduced the draft in preparation for this land war in support of Israel, in fact he was only drafted back into the military because of his verbal Arabic skills, but the captain replied without umbrage.
'Just tell him, corporal. Tell him what I just said.'
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If you have any solution to this conundrum I'm sure the UN would be delighted to hear it.
If they did they wouldn't have facilitated permanent refugee status for them until they get back "home"
To Israel
I'm not sure what the big blocker is here?
The only thing the rest of us can really do is weep, ideally equally for both sides, rather than cheering on our faves, whoever they are.
This was not a bit of graffiti but, according to the police, arson. The man who killed David Amess also looked into the possibility of attacking Mike Freer and some other MPs, according to the police. That is why he has been advised to wear a stab vest in public.
A number of MPs have been killed; some have been attacked and some of their staff have been killed.
Making light of such attacks because you do not support the policies of Israel's government really demeans you. You should be ashamed of yourself. No MP in this country - nor any of their staff - should be put in fear like this let alone be attacked. The Labour Party have made this point clearly in their response - see Anneliese Dodds' statement. It is a pity that you cannot show the same moral clarity.
Would also facilitate Jerusalem as some kind of a "neutral zone", given its importance not just to Judaism, but Christianity and Islam too.
Are you a Geordie?
What about real world solutions?
And Moses went up from the plains of Moab unto the mountain of Nebo, to the top of Pisgah, that is over against Jericho. And the Lord shewed him all the land of Gilead, unto Dan,
2 And all Naphtali, and the land of Ephraim, and Manasseh, and all the land of Judah, unto the utmost sea,
3 And the south, and the plain of the valley of Jericho, the city of palm trees, unto Zoar.
4 And the Lord said unto him, This is the land which I sware unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, saying, I will give it unto thy seed: I have caused thee to see it with thine eyes, but thou shalt not go over thither.
5 So Moses the servant of the Lord died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the Lord.
6 And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.
7 And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated.
8 And the children of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days: so the days of weeping and mourning for Moses were ended.
9 And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as the Lord commanded Moses.
10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face,
11 In all the signs and the wonders, which the Lord sent him to do in the land of Egypt to Pharaoh, and to all his servants, and to all his land,
12 And in all that mighty hand, and in all the great terror which Moses shewed in the sight of all Israel.
Deuteronomy chapter 34.
October 7 ensures this is the end that Israel will pursue (whether they can do it is moot)
Hamas may have greatly accelerated the end of the Palestinian cause as we understand it
And your reason for why it's a bad idea is that the Republicans could change things back. So the "negative" is that we get a crooked right wing majority half the time, rather than all the time as if the Dems don't do it.
And Roosevelt's actions got the court to reverse course on the New Deal, so it worked.
1. Blame one actor in a complex situation for the entirety of the problem.
2. Insults.
3. ....?
Except: my family makes the Israeli-Palestinian conflict look sane and easily reconciled
Sunil hasn't yet learnt what his cock's really for
He certainly wouldn't know how to womble it
Certainly not your data providers at Hamas
I believe that the Magic Carpet bombs have still only killed innocent refugee children and child brides so far
Solution - hire the Dutch. Make more land.
One or other side will win - and drive the other from the land between the river and the sea. And at the moment it looks like the Israelis - mainly because the Palestinians seem to have no real support in the wider Arab/Muslim world, despite all the protests
They hide within, under, and around every kind of building that should be protected from war
They are the vilest transgressors of all of the rules of war that I've known in my lifetime
And they're supported by at least 75% of the innocents
Build out from the existing Med coast. 20-30 miles. Maybe more.
No more than Boudica was British…
Properly unWoke
Scott Williams has just beaten Germany’s No.2 and then said “2 World Wars, 1 World Cup” on live TV 😂😂😂
https://x.com/stokeyyg2/status/1740026733464789157?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
You make terrorist approved pie charts ffs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Israel–Hamas_war
"Why wokeness really is like fascism
Sean Thomas"
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-wokeness-really-is-like-fascism/
{temporarily closes left eye}
I also note it is the most read article on the Spectator today. How does this imbecile achieve this influence? It is a condemnation of our idiotic times
1. Hamas release the hostages.
2. Hamas lay down their weapons.
3. Hamas surrender.
The fact that none of the above has happened demonstrates that Hamas couldn’t give a toss about the lives of the people they shelter behind.
Martyrdom and the promise of virgins is all those evil fuckers seem to care about.
Only a total fuckwit would genuinely believe the bullshit propaganda spouted by Hamas terrorists.
No. You go and count them. DUH
Is that really the level you reach for when defending your Islamistatistics?
- the terrorists aren't legitimate military targets; or
- the civilians are somehow legitimate targets the same as the terrorists.
It's pretty clear from the context you don't believe the latter. So it's the former, in which case the label "terrorist approved" seems justified.
Just wondering: how do you count suicides of Supernova festival survivors who couldn't process the trauma of having watched their friends being gang-raped to death by genocidal maniacs? Are they included in the pie charts?
Hezbollah etc next if need be.
Think I'll come back tomorrow.
Everton 1
87 mins
Arseholes are useful.
This pie chart breaks down the Israeli dead on 7/10 itself:
Dura_Ace and the prisoner had potato-sack hauled the nine bodies here - the ambushed SAS patrol and poor old SeanT - and it was a hard, grisly, thankless task.
Dura_Ace had seen it that SeanT was taken care of first, and now all but two of the fallen SAS personnel had been covered with the stones, the Arab's breath heaving with toil and fear, his boyish face blood-streaked, his hands stained red. The corporal was marking each temporary, above-ground grave with a machine gun, alerting the burial squads to these bodies. Now and then the Arab's eyes would meet Dura_Ace's cold gaze, and the prisoner would work harder, even more industriously covering up the carnage he'd help create.
Finally Dura_Ace told the prisoner to take a break, and they both sat on the ground. Dura_Ace lit up a cigarette, which he kept for himself, and then another which he immediately offered to the Arab, who had been watching hungrily.
'British cigarette,' the Arab said, puffing, grinning crazily, desperately. 'I like British... er... Grommit... er... Wrong trousers! Close Shave!'
Dura_Ace nodded, smiling, 'Yeah, that's right. Wallace and Grommit. A Grand Day out, The Wrong Trousers, and then A Close Shave.'
'Yah! Wallace and Grommit!'
They were still sitting when Captain Smithson came tromping into the field, followed by Sergeant Herdson, and the rest of the squad, what was left of it anyway: Blanche_Livermore, Bartholomew_Roberts, and Leon.
'Get him off his Arab arse,' Blanche snarled.
Dura_Ace rose, and the Arab mimicked him, pitching his cigarette. Captain Smithson went from grave to grave, removing ammo from the machine guns Dura_Ace had set there, deactivating the weapons. Sergeant Herdson followed, as if he were tidying up after the captain, gathering the extra ammo. Machine guns in hand, Bartholomew and Blanche and Leon moved slowly, ominously towards the prisoner, forming a loose semi-circle around him. The Arab took anxious notice of this, and went back to stacking rocks atop the body, as if getting the corpses covered would make his problem go away.
He muttered something in Arabic, nodding to the rock-pile graves, still working feverishly, proving his worth, his obedience. He repeated the muttering.
'He says he's not finished yet,' Dura_Ace said.
'That's what he thinks,' Blanche said, barely concealing their hatred. 'You're finished, alright, Rag-head!'
Summoning all their strength, Blanche grabbed the prisoner by his camouflage shirt, and Leon joined in. They dragged him from the stony grave, the latest rock slipping from his fingers, his face contorted with fear as he cried out in Arabic.
[continued....]
You've never made a discernably meaningful point with any of your death pie charts
And the Arab suddenly pulled away from his captors, scooping up
the rock he dropped, and hastily returned to covering up the corpses.
The sound of Bartholomew racking his machine gun off safety froze the prisoner, and he carefully got to his feet and turned to face them.
'Please,' he said in English, pleadingly. 'I like Israel!' His accent was thick, almost stereotypically Middle Eastern, his teeth bared in a miserable, desperate excuse for a smile. 'How do you do? Nice to meet you! Do you have the time?'
Leon racked his machine gun off safety. The Arab began to laugh, softly, hysterically. Tears were welling as he said, 'Gal Gadot! What a dish! Dana International? Nice gams!' And the prisoner lifted hisslacks to the knees, laughing.
Blanche racked their machine gun off safety. The Arab stood straight now, his legs still exposed. He started singing part of the Israeli national anthem, 'Hatikvah...' However, that was all he knew; he kept singing the word again and again. 'Hatikvah... Hatikvah....'
The three privates were standing in firing-squad fashion now, facing the prisoner. Sickened, Dura_Ace looked away. Smithson was still dismantling machine guns, Herdson gathering ammo, as if completely unaware, or anyway unconcerned, about what was happening. The young prisoner finally played his trump card:
'Fuck Hamas!' he glanced first at Dura_Ace, then at the privates. 'Fuck Hamas!'
'Fuck you!' Bartholomew said. The prisoner lurched for Dura_Ace, grabbing his arm, and spewed a terrified stream of Arabic at the corporal.
Dura_Ace called to Smithson, 'Sir, he says he's sorry about SeanT. I don't think he was the gunner, sir!'
'Tell him 'sorry' don't cut the mustard,' Leon said, the big machine gun loose and deadly in the former flint-knapper's hands. 'Tell him my piles bleed for him.'
'Tell him...,' Smithson finally said, 'the war's over for him.' The squad members were nodding, Leon saying, 'Fuckin' 'ell,' and Smithson was dropping the last of the disarmed machine guns down and striding over to the Arab. A handkerchief came from one of the captain's pockets and he swiftly tied it around the Arab's head, in blindfold fashion.
'Sir,' Dura_Ace said softly but urgently, 'this isn't right.'
Smithson knew that Dura_Ace had very pro-Arab sympathies before the Braverman government introduced the draft in preparation for this land war in support of Israel, in fact he was only drafted back into the military because of his verbal Arabic skills, but the captain replied without umbrage.
'Just tell him, corporal. Tell him what I just said.'
[continued....]
Nodding, Dura_Ace then whispered to the Arab. Smithson spun the prisoner around, so that his back was towards the squad. Resigned to whatever Smithson's order might be, Herdson reluctantly fell in line with the privates and racked his weapon off safety. The prisoner jumped. Smithson looked at his squad - Leon's eyes were glittering, Bartholomew's were hooded with a hunter's nonchalance, Blanche's were as dead as the stones covering the corpses.
Then Smithson said to Dura_Ace, 'Tell him to march two hundred paces and wait until he can't hear us anymore. Then he's to surrender himself to the first NATO patrol he runs into.'
'What?' Bartholomew said, shaking his head as if his ears were lying to him. 'Wait a goddam minute...'
'Yes, sir,' Dura_Ace said, relieved, but careful not to smile. And to the young Arab he repeated Smithson's order in Arabic. Then the captain checked the blindfold, snugging the knot tight, then patted the Arab twice on the shoulder, signalling him to take off, which he did.
'Close shave,' the Arab smiled, and said something like farewell in the vernacular.
Dura_Ace finally allowed himself a smile. The former prisoner's erstwhile captors watched him disappear into the distance, singing what sounded like, 'It's coming home, it's coming home!' until he was too far away for them to hear anything.