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  • SandraMc said:

    Aren't these two things the same?
    Her fantasy politics are of course nutty enough, but from her ramblings I think she would be frustrated with someone with similar beliefs who failed to deliver (i.e. Braverman).
  • Good job England bat deep.....
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,405

    Indeed. Cummings seems to perceive himself as some of rave-era anarchist, which may relate to his period in his 'twenties working as a doorman in Durham.

    Unfairly blocked seems exactly the issue with Murdoch. He instantly hated not the old aristo elite, but Britain's postwar cultural elite, the Melvyn Braggs and Joan Bakewells. It was hugely important to him that British TV and media was no longer what he thought was intellectually elitist and snobby, and he hated this influence. The problem was that these people were helping to make this country a far more thoughtful, interesting and nuanced place.
    It's hard to think of a single person who's done more to harm this country in my lifetime than Murdoch.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited October 2023

    Terrible look in opening of the cricket...135k capacity stadium with what looks like not even as many as Tory party conference attendees.

    Well quite. Where the hell is everyone?

    The promotors are going to lose their shirts if only matches involving India sell any tickets. But even so, it’s not hard to find thousands of schoolkids and students who will turn up and watch a cricket match for free for for $1, at least get an atmosphere going in the stadium.

    Is England v Australia, on 4th Nov in the same stadium, also going to be empty?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,661

    Surely the better* solution would be to do cross-platform change of train at Birmingham Interchange. That way we get the benefits of high speed running south of there and don't hold up anything on the WCML.

    Or, in reality, the DfT are forcing the removal of tilting and the slowing down of services. Avanti have bought a fleet of non-tilting and slower EMUs because that is what their DfT masters directed them to do. They run slower than the trains they replace but so what.

    Soon we will have "we can't afford the cost of maintaining the tilting system" and it will be turned off as CrossCountry did on the Oxford route. So it won't matter that the HS fleet won't tilt. Because by then nothing will and 125mph running will be a distant memory.
    Well at least I'll be able to use my time productively on the WCML. With tilt, if I'm not looking out of the window I start to feel like I'm going to be sick.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Surely the better* solution would be to do cross-platform change of train at Birmingham Interchange. That way we get the benefits of high speed running south of there and don't hold up anything on the WCML.

    Or, in reality, the DfT are forcing the removal of tilting and the slowing down of services. Avanti have bought a fleet of non-tilting and slower EMUs because that is what their DfT masters directed them to do. They run slower than the trains they replace but so what.

    Soon we will have "we can't afford the cost of maintaining the tilting system" and it will be turned off as CrossCountry did on the Oxford route. So it won't matter that the HS fleet won't tilt. Because by then nothing will and 125mph running will be a distant memory.
    Exzcept on the East Coast, which was supposed to be come a local line only ...
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,938
    edited October 2023

    It's hard to think of a single person who's done more to harm this country in my lifetime than Murdoch.
    Farage ? No, actually I think you're right.

    Murdoch has completely debased debate, as well as shared public culture, to such an extent as without that, I doubt we've had any Farage.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    edited October 2023

    Hell no! But this is Tory spivism in action - pay large amounts of money for nothing. Remember all the duff PPE contracts? How is this any different?
    TBF some of that money is coming back to the Treasury in tax. But not sure how much. Not keeping up with [edit] what is and what is not allowed for the self-employed these days - didn't it change recently?
  • novanova Posts: 754

    So why did you buy the shirt?
    Places like Primark and the other fast fashion retailers are full of random stuff like this. I've got t-shirts that advertise festivals in 80s Japan, and 70s Germany, plus various sports teams from all over the world. Some will probably be real, others might even be made up.

    There will be many 1000s of them produced because it costs almost nothing to license the image, and they're just looking for something different to last season.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,405

    Also worth mentioning that Cummings’s father-in-law is some kind of creepy eugenicist, and that Cummings himself is an enthusiastic follower of various libertarian crypto-influencers.

    None of this is normal.
    Has a horse called "Barack Obama" because it is "half black and half white"... Yeah, great people.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,006

    Guardian columnists' dogmatism is only matched by their fondness for academic jargon which too often defeats this bear of very little brain.
    The Guardian has joined most others in failing to distinguish clearly between the dispassionate reporting of hard facts and the expression of editorial and other opinion.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,457
    edited October 2023
    nova said:

    Places like Primark and the other fast fashion retailers are full of random stuff like this. I've got t-shirts that advertise festivals in 80s Japan, and 70s Germany, plus various sports teams from all over the world. Some will probably be real, others might even be made up.

    There will be many 1000s of them produced because it costs almost nothing to license the image, and they're just looking for something different to last season.
    Fanatics have become a giant company on the back of this idea. They buy the licences to stick the brands of particularly US sports teams on everything and then they pump out massive piles of crap with the logo splashed on. It ranges from the standard replica shirts, but they make huge amount of money out of rando t-shirt with logo on which they sell throughout the market.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,221
    edited October 2023
    Carnyx said:

    TBF some of that money is coming back to the Treasury in tax. But not sure how much. Not keeping up with [edit] what is and what is not allowed for the self-employed these days - didn't it change recently?
    Lots of expenses in London ;)
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Good job England bat deep.....

    Deep you say…
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,661
    nova said:

    Places like Primark and the other fast fashion retailers are full of random stuff like this. I've got t-shirts that advertise festivals in 80s Japan, and 70s Germany, plus various sports teams from all over the world. Some will probably be real, others might even be made up.

    There will be many 1000s of them produced because it costs almost nothing to license the image, and they're just looking for something different to last season.
    Well someone has made a load of dosh by pretending to be a brand of Japanese motor oil, so why not?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,938
    edited October 2023
    algarkirk said:

    The Guardian has joined most others in failing to distinguish clearly between the dispassionate reporting of hard facts and the expression of editorial and other opinion.
    I've noticed this tendency increasingly starting creeping into Channel 4 News and some of its US congressional coverage, over the last couple of years, too.

    With the Telegraph and Talk TV and GB News bringing up the other side, something is not going well.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,221
    Sandpit said:

    Deep you say…
    Tbf this side does - Curran at 8 and Woakes at 9 is strong on paper
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,674

    Bloody hell, the Tories have lost Daily Telegraph readers.
    And Express readers!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,181
    Pulpstar said:

    Lots of expenses in London ;)
    There was an article in the NYT about similar stuff in New York public projects. As usual, the Americans had taken it to its logical conclusion and were paying fictional workers to do nothing.

    There was even an attempt to justify this on the grounds that everyone deserved a share of the pie!
  • nova said:

    That's what I tell my mum, but she keeps inviting me over.
    And if you and your mum get satisfaction from your visit then that is productive for you.

    If you are not visiting your mum due to a lack of infrastructure making it inconvenient, then that is problematic, is it not?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Pulpstar said:

    Tbf this side does - Curran at 8 and Woakes at 9 is strong on paper
    On paper…
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    There was an article in the NYT about similar stuff in New York public projects. As usual, the Americans had taken it to its logical conclusion and were paying fictional workers to do nothing.

    There was even an attempt to justify this on the grounds that everyone deserved a share of the pie!
    Yet we wonder why a group of Congresscritters wants to take a good look at the federal budget, and not just sign a massive omnibus continuation bill?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,938
    edited October 2023
    Farooq said:

    Hasn't it been that way for a long time?
    Much more so recently, I would say.
    It's a trend across the media.

    The main values are of clicks, immediate provocation and/or entertainment and impact, because those are the values of social media.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,309
    Sandpit said:

    Yet we wonder why a group of Congresscritters wants to take a good look at the federal budget, and not just sign a massive omnibus continuation bill?
    Nobody wonders why. They are hoping to damage the US economy through a federal government shutdown and improve DJT's chances in 2024.

    As if they give a shit about anything else.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,813
    https://www.politico.eu/article/jean-claude-juncker-ukraine-corruption-eu-accession/

    Former European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker has slammed the possibility of Ukraine joining the EU, lambasting the country as massively “corrupt.”
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,668

    But 50 years ago, it was one of the most intolerant and used to criminalise people gay people. It is only tolerant now because of the hard work and effort and pressure for change.

    It is perfectly possible to reverse the current situation and start targeting people again and that reversal has to start somewhere. Sunak is the leader of the country. He can give a lead in whatever direction he chooses and steer policy to suit.

    That is why that speech is so troubling
    Indeed. We’ve seen in the US how quickly concern over trans rights has been misused by many on the US right to move to, e.g., banning any books with gay characters in them (or even a children’s book in which two male characters are sharing a flat), banning the equivalent of pantomime, and attempts to reverse gay marriage. What we see at the Tory conference is not a desire for considered discussion of issues, but dog whistling to extreme views; see also references to conspiracy theories around 15-minute neighbourhoods.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,181
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    Dura_Ace said:

    Nobody wonders why. They are hoping to damage the US economy through a federal government shutdown and improve DJT's chances in 2024.

    As if they give a shit about anything else.
    That’s - how you say it? - a BINGO!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,181
    Sandpit said:

    Yet we wonder why a group of Congresscritters wants to take a good look at the federal budget, and not just sign a massive omnibus continuation bill?
    They aren’t interested in fixing the problem.

    The same guys and girls voted down using SAA agreements on Commercial Crew. Instead of FAR.

    Despite the following facts

    1) SAA had been proven to work with Commercial Cargo. And reduced costs
    2) NASA and everyone involved said FAR would raise costs and delay the program.

    FAR is a about pork control
  • ..

    https://www.politico.eu/article/jean-claude-juncker-ukraine-corruption-eu-accession/

    Former European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker has slammed the possibility of Ukraine joining the EU, lambasting the country as massively “corrupt.”

    Wait till you hear what a former (and possibly future) POTUS & his pals say about Ukraine.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,668

    I hope the enquiry will look at the increase in social communication disorders in children caused by the cruel restrictions, which will affect them for life and is much more serious in our case.
    The Inauiry is indeed looking at these sorts of issues.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,757


    Of course it is.

    People only make journeys that are economically productive for them, and others they trade with.
    An argument that requires assertion isn’t much of an argument
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited October 2023
    Well that’s a massive fail from England, despite a valiant effort from Rashid and Wood putting on 30 at the end, and actually using all the 50 overs.

    A day late and a dollar short there, my prediction is for NZ to get the runs in 43 overs.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,221
    edited October 2023
    Sandpit said:

    On paper…
    Solid enough at the end from Rashid and Wood, though of course the wickets cost us being able to put up anything over 300.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    Ukraine *is* massively and famously corrupt, though.
    On a different scale to the rest of Europe.

    Ukraine’s economic performance post 1989 to pre-invasion was absolutely terrible. Several issues, but off-the-charts corruption was one.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,641
    282? Should be enough??
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,841
    edited October 2023
    SandraMc said:

    Alison Pearson, The Tele's bonkers right-wing cheer leader announced in her column this week that she was hoping the Conservatives lose the next election.
    A lot of loopy, far right conservatives are hoping the Tories lose the election so they can get a "pure" far right leadership/party in place (Sue-Ellen is their poster girl)

    The party will of course be completely unelectable and will take the Conservatives off into the wilderness for a decade but will make them feel good about themselves.

    Although I still think Labour will only win the next election with a small 1-20 seat majority it's not out of the question the Tories could face an absolute drubbing at the following election, if they take themselves down the rabbit hole of the loopy far right in Opposition.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,757

    Always best to be mistrustful of people who rail against elites, it usually signals that they're hoping to replace the old elite themselves, or are already part of the elite but feel their power is being unfairly blocked. Hence the ludicrous spectacle of Dominic Cummings (private school, Oxford, married into the aristocracy, runs campaigns financed by private equity dark money, worked for the PM) attacking 'the elite' - by which he means junior civil servants who dare to question him throwing public money at his bizarre pet causes, or probably just anyone with a university degree who
    disagrees with him.
    IIRC Mary Wakefield’s Dad bought his own castle. So hardly aristocracy.
  • Didn't have Navritilova coming out for Enoch on my bingo card.

    https://x.com/snigskitchen/status/1709882382730269146?s=20

  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,302

    There was an article in the NYT about similar stuff in New York public projects. As usual, the Americans had taken it to its logical conclusion and were paying fictional workers to do nothing.

    There was even an attempt to justify this on the grounds that everyone deserved a share of the pie!
    I've seen that in the private sector in London. We were putting a cooling tower on a tower block. Firm we were contracted to had a manager on site and some agency staff to install some of the kit themselves.
    I forget exactly how it came to light, but it turned out the on-site manager and his mate in the agency were cheerful hiring non-existent agency staff to the project, and splitting the proceeds between them...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,221
    Must be one of the most even paced one day innings ever. 51 -> 61 run variation in each block of 10 overs.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203

    Indeed. We’ve seen in the US how quickly concern over trans rights has been misused by many on the US right to move to, e.g., banning any books with gay characters in them (or even a children’s book in which two male characters are sharing a flat), banning the equivalent of pantomime, and attempts to reverse gay marriage. What we see at the Tory conference is not a desire for considered discussion of issues, but dog whistling to extreme views; see also references to conspiracy theories around 15-minute neighbourhoods.
    It doesn’t actually take that much for minorities to feel unwelcome or unsafe. Careless and provocative rhetoric from British politicians went into overdrive in 2016 and hasn’t abated.

    Having said that, I wouldn’t really look to “the US” as much of an example. The South has been a hotbed of bizarre and illiberal lawmaking since…forever.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,641
    GIN1138 said:

    A lot of loopy, far right conservatives are hoping the Tories lose the election so they can get a "pure" far right leadership/party in place (Sue-Ellen is their poster girl)

    The party will of course be completely unelectable and will take the Conservatives off into the wilderness for a decade but will make them feel good about themselves.

    Although I still think Labour will only win the next election with a small 1-20 seat majority it's not out of the question the Tories could face an absolute drubbing at the following election, if they take themselves down the rabbit hole of the loopy far right in Opposition.
    Even though CON are in complete meltdown it will be really really difficult for LAB to get more than 350 given they start at around 200.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,668

    They are on time - they're being paid £2,200 a week because the section east of OOC was put on hold back in the spring.
    And that’s a major source of cost overruns—plans getting changed all the time.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,210
    edited October 2023
    Does this mean whoever did it had committed another offence as well?

    "Sycamore Gap: Hadrian's Wall damage seen after tree felled"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-67015699
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,841
    edited October 2023

    Even though CON are in complete meltdown it will be really really difficult for LAB to get more than 350 given they start at around 200.
    Indeed! But after Election 24 there will be a LOT of retained Con seats that are left on a knife edge of going red (or yellow) at the following election.

    Con had better choose their next leader wisely or they could face an absolute cataclysm in any subsequent election.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,757

    Also worth mentioning that Cummings’s father-in-law is some kind of creepy eugenicist, and that Cummings himself is an enthusiastic follower of various libertarian
    crypto-influencers.

    None of this is normal.
    His father in law isn’t some kind of creepy eugenicist. He said that people are the product of their genes and that if two people who have been successful marry each other then their children are more likely to be successful.

    That’s not eugenics - it’s a statement of probabilities (and part of what government action should be about fixing by ensuring that there are no artificial barriers that prevent first generation talented people from succeeding)
  • theProle said:

    I've seen that in the private sector in London. We were putting a cooling tower on a tower block. Firm we were contracted to had a manager on site and some agency staff to install some of the kit themselves.
    I forget exactly how it came to light, but it turned out the on-site manager and his mate in the agency were cheerful hiring non-existent agency staff to the project, and splitting the proceeds between them...
    They probably had been watching the Only Fools and Horses episode where Del Boy and Mike collude to similar effect. Or it was ever thus.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    Suella Braverman must certainly be the favourite for next Tory leader.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,757
    Farooq said:

    :lol:
    I'm not even bitter that you got six likes for this one-liner when I got none for my post. Honestly.
    Because he’s more productive than you…
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,221

    IIRC Mary Wakefield’s Dad bought his own castle. So hardly aristocracy.
    Blimey, a castle/big house/ruin in Northumberland I haven't yet visited ! Will have to go next year perhaps.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,641
    GIN1138 said:

    Indeed! But after Election 24 there will be a LOT of retained Con seats that are left on a knife edge of going red (or yellow) at the following election.

    Con had better choose their next leader wisely or they could face an absolute cataclysm in any subsequent election.
    Yes indeed it could be worse in 2029
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,668

    IIRC Mary Wakefield’s Dad bought his own castle. So hardly aristocracy.
    He bought the castle, but he inherited his baronetcy. He’s an aristo. Her mum was also the daughter of a baron.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203

    His father in law isn’t some kind of creepy eugenicist. He said that people are the product of their genes and that if two people who have been successful marry each other then their children are more likely to be successful.

    That’s not eugenics - it’s a statement of probabilities (and part of what government action should be about fixing by ensuring that there are no artificial barriers that prevent first generation talented people from succeeding)
    The second Baronet - which sounds aristocratic to me, despite your earlier denial - suggests that he’d very much prefer his children not marry a talented person of low socio-economic status because he wants to see a long pedigree of success from ancestors.

    I guess that rules me out, as my father left school at 14 and is borderline illiterate.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,668

    His father in law isn’t some kind of creepy eugenicist. He said that people are the product of their genes and that if two people who have been successful marry each other then their children are more likely to be successful.

    That’s not eugenics - it’s a statement of probabilities (and part of what government action should be about fixing by ensuring that there are no artificial barriers that prevent first generation talented people from succeeding)
    Here’s a quote: “In general, to be elitist, I think the quality climbs up the tree of life. In general, high things in the tree of life have quality, have skills, and they get wonderful degrees at university. And they marry each other and that gets them better again. Intelligence and talent is lovely. But I want parents and grandparents who've had hands on success, running their battles well, and proving they're wonderful. Because one is the subject of one's genes, and I like the idea of them being successful genes, and winning through to successful puppies.”
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,841

    New Thread

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Here’s a quote: “In general, to be elitist, I think the quality climbs up the tree of life. In general, high things in the tree of life have quality, have skills, and they get wonderful degrees at university. And they marry each other and that gets them better again. Intelligence and talent is lovely. But I want parents and grandparents who've had hands on success, running their battles well, and proving they're wonderful. Because one is the subject of one's genes, and I like the idea of them being successful genes, and winning through to successful puppies.”
    That's reading as pretty much hereditarian to me. Not an awful lot of environment or upbringing there.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,253
    So, Sunak...

    As a liberal, I'm hoping that Starmer, surely our next PM, will give a conference speech setting out clear water between him and Sunak. Talking about the future with confidence, of a Britain with a place for all, a place with ambition, not some backward looking backwater too scared of its own shadow to progress.

    But, I supect, he'll avoid saying anything that might send more reactionary voters back to the party for the 1950s and leave us liberals voting Labour (in seats where they're the best challengers) out of weary duty to see the back of the Tories rather than any enthusiasm. It may be politically smart, but then maybe it would be worth the risk to actually drum up some enthusiasm (and, maybe, a bigger majority) with a positive message rather than relying on simply being not the Tories.
  • .
    Farooq said:

    So the most pertinent question that I managed to bury deep in my long post earlier is this:

    What is the problem that road building is meant to solve?

    That is, what activity could take place tomorrow with a new road that does not take place today because that road isn't there?
    I guess this is mostly around opportunity costs from spending longer in traffic or from being put off making that journey because you want to avoid traffic. So where in the country are the pain points, and how sure can we be that a new road will fix that?

    Even if we can demonstrate past progress (and my challenge on that front remains open), there's also surely the question of diminishing returns. Would widening the M8 to ten lanes speed up travel very much? If so, would 20 lanes be even better? Would a direct road from Fort William to Ullapool unlock Ullapool's potential? By how much?

    And crucially, thinking outside the confines of the economy, would we also lose something along the way?

    Widening lanes is I think the completely wrong priority. And the only thing the Treasury funds irritatingly.

    Far better return is creating new lines, new routes, as either alternatives to existing ones or creating routes that aren't presently viable.

    Plenty of suggestions exist.

    For instance I've repeatedly suggested here an M580 (a term I coined myself) to run parallel to the A580 East Lancs Road which is one of the most populated corridors in the NW but lacks any motorways currently so people have to drive South to get to the M62 then back North again, or clog up what should be more local roads while sitting at red lights.

    Other possible routes I'd suggest would be Oxford to Cambridge, or the never built M64 linking Stoke with Derby (and the M6 and M1) without going via Birmingham.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    Selebian said:

    So, Sunak...

    As a liberal, I'm hoping that Starmer, surely our next PM, will give a conference speech setting out clear water between him and Sunak. Talking about the future with confidence, of a Britain with a place for all, a place with ambition, not some backward looking backwater too scared of its own shadow to progress.

    But, I supect, he'll avoid saying anything that might send more reactionary voters back to the party for the 1950s and leave us liberals voting Labour (in seats where they're the best challengers) out of weary duty to see the back of the Tories rather than any enthusiasm. It may be politically smart, but then maybe it would be worth the risk to actually drum up some enthusiasm (and, maybe, a bigger majority) with a positive message rather than relying on simply being not the Tories.

    If form is anything to go by, he’ll say nothing of interest.

    Starmer’s talent - and I actually think it’s exceptional - is in bureaucratic management. Despite Sunak’s claim to competent technocracy, Starmer actually obliterates him on this aspect.

    But in terms of content, Starmer plays it safe to the point of insipidity. Although I am happy with the subterranean policy noises coming from Rachel Reeves, the few flagship policies, including VAT on private schools are essentially cringey sops to culture warriors.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,135
    Farooq said:

    So the most pertinent question that I managed to bury deep in my long post earlier is this:

    What is the problem that road building is meant to solve?

    That is, what activity could take place tomorrow with a new road that does not take place today because that road isn't there?
    I guess this is mostly around opportunity costs from spending longer in traffic or from being put off making that journey because you want to avoid traffic. So where in the country are the pain points, and how sure can we be that a new road will fix that?

    Even if we can demonstrate past progress (and my challenge on that front remains open), there's also surely the question of diminishing returns. Would widening the M8 to ten lanes speed up travel very much? If so, would 20 lanes be even better? Would a direct road from Fort William to Ullapool unlock Ullapool's potential? By how much?

    And crucially, thinking outside the confines of the economy, would we also lose something along the way?

    Are 2-tonne steel boxes, usually with one occupant, the most energy and cost efficient way of moving people around the country?

    Once they arrive in that city or town, how do we stop them getting in the way of public transport like buses and trams, or causing a hostile environment for those walking and cycling? A car is about half the size of my living room/kitchen - is a parked car the most efficient use of space?

    And don't dismiss the distributional side of this. Entry costs to driving are exceptionally high*, so younger and poorer people will miss out on most of the benefits of new roads. Some disabled and older people cannot drive for health reasons, including some of my friends (epilepsy, etc).

    * It would be great if the entry costs to driving were low, but the running costs high. That would mean that more people have access to those journeys that are hard to complete with active travel/public transport, but for those journeys that are possible the marginal cost is less than for driving.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,205

    And Express readers!
    I think that it has never been true that newspaper readers necessarily follow the editorial line on politics. Often they like the paper in other ways, eg the sports coverage or celebrity gossip, and ignore the Op Ed columns.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,792
    GIN1138 said:

    A lot of loopy, far right conservatives are hoping the Tories lose the election so they can get a "pure" far right leadership/party in place (Sue-Ellen is their poster girl)

    The party will of course be completely unelectable and will take the Conservatives off into the wilderness for a decade but will make them feel good about themselves.

    Although I still think Labour will only win the next election with a small 1-20 seat majority it's not out of the question the Tories could face an absolute drubbing at the following election, if they take themselves down the rabbit hole of the loopy far right in Opposition.
    Piss off. Sunak was inflicted on the country by idiots within the Tory Party who insisted we needed 'the grown-ups in the room' to manage the economy and win elections. Now this has proven to be utter horse-shite, and he's God-awful in every way, we should apparently retain the a social democrat stance so we can continue the privilege of 'not losing even more'.

    I have reservations about Suella's leadership ambitions, but did polling posted here after her speech not show a majority in favour of all her key points?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,006

    I've noticed this tendency increasingly starting creeping into Channel 4 News and some of its US congressional coverage, over the last couple of years, too.

    With the Telegraph and Talk TV and GB News bringing up the other side, something is not going well.
    BBC World Service and the Economist are the best remaining outlets. Covering a different function but relevant, the New Statesman, in its recent form, is remarkably free of absolute rubbish - while of course totally open about its broadly progressive agenda.

    What no-one at all is doing is articulating a consistent Right Wing/conservative position WRT how it would deliver in policy terms now - as Worsthorne was doing in an earlier day in the STel, or the Spectator once did. They are all reduced to an unpleasant mixture of description of what is wrong (we can all do that) and attacks on others, and cheerleading for some ghastly people.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    algarkirk said:

    BBC World Service and the Economist are the best remaining outlets. Covering a different function but relevant, the New Statesman, in its recent form, is remarkably free of absolute rubbish - while of course totally open about its broadly progressive agenda.

    What no-one at all is doing is articulating a consistent Right Wing/conservative position WRT how it would deliver in policy terms now - as Worsthorne was doing in an earlier day in the STel, or the Spectator once did. They are all reduced to an unpleasant mixture of description of what is wrong (we can all do that) and attacks on others, and cheerleading for some ghastly people.
    Very good point.
    I actually used to read and enjoy both the Telegraph and the Spectator for its coherent right-wing critique during the Blair years.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,793
    Eabhal said:

    Are 2-tonne steel boxes, usually with one occupant, the most energy and cost efficient way of moving people around the country?

    Once they arrive in that city or town, how do we stop them getting in the way of public transport like buses and trams, or causing a hostile environment for those walking and cycling? A car is about half the size of my living room/kitchen - is a parked car the most efficient use of space?

    And don't dismiss the distributional side of this. Entry costs to driving are exceptionally high*, so younger and poorer people will miss out on most of the benefits of new roads. Some disabled and older people cannot drive for health reasons, including some of my friends (epilepsy, etc).

    * It would be great if the entry costs to driving were low, but the running costs high. That would mean that more people have access to those journeys that are hard to complete with active travel/public transport, but for those journeys that are possible the marginal cost is less than for driving.
    I've been saying your last point for years, though seldom so pithily. *Applause*
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