The terrible ratings trend for Sunak – politicalbetting.com
The terrible ratings trend for Sunak – politicalbetting.com
The problem for Tory MPs is that these numbers have a great impact on their survival chances. Anything that suggests the leadership is a big negative is of immediate interest to those MPds worried about whether they will still be there after the election.
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I'd just note that Sunak's rating is above that of his party, whereas Starmer's is below that of his.
I think there are reasons for that, and Starmer is a decent leader.
But it is worth noting in the context of this thread.1 -
Eh?TheScreamingEagles said:
These deals will be the new AOL-Time Warner merger.Leon said:Just like to point out that I started banging on about AI this morning - that something was up - and I was told to stop blithering, here we are at 10pm and OpenAI are suddenly valued at $90 BILLION
I really do have a gift. I scare myself
AOL was shit. It was a terrible walled garden, with not very good internet access, that was about to get steamrollered by broadband. Management saw that the writing was on the wall, and merged with the (massively larger and rather dumb) Time Warner.
OpenAI is not AOL.
They are just at the beginning of their growth journey, and they will make billions of dollars in sales this year from next to nothing last year.
Now, will they ever make enough to pay back that $90bn price? Maybe, maybe not.
But they are no AOL.0 -
But maybe they are another AltaVista and Google is just around the corner. That $90 billion could go back to $0 very fast.rcs1000 said:Eh?
AOL was shit. It was a terrible walled garden, with not very good internet access, that was about to get steamrollered by broadband. Management saw that the writing was on the wall, and merged with the (massively larger and rather dumb) Time Warner.
OpenAI is not AOL.
They are just at the beginning of their growth journey, and they will make billions of dollars in sales this year from next to nothing last year.
Now, will they ever make enough to pay back that $90bn price? Maybe, maybe not.
But they are no AOL.
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I love how TRUSS is so low that the entire known mathematical universe has no negative great enough to plot her on a simple line graph. She is a one-woman quantum of infinite inverse popularity.0
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I meant in the wider dotcom bubble.rcs1000 said:
Eh?TheScreamingEagles said:
These deals will be the new AOL-Time Warner merger.Leon said:Just like to point out that I started banging on about AI this morning - that something was up - and I was told to stop blithering, here we are at 10pm and OpenAI are suddenly valued at $90 BILLION
I really do have a gift. I scare myself
AOL was shit. It was a terrible walled garden, with not very good internet access, that was about to get steamrollered by broadband. Management saw that the writing was on the wall, and merged with the (massively larger and rather dumb) Time Warner.
OpenAI is not AOL.
They are just at the beginning of their growth journey, and they will make billions of dollars in sales this year from next to nothing last year.
Now, will they ever make enough to pay back that $90bn price? Maybe, maybe not.
But they are no AOL.
People are overvaluing new tech all over again.0 -
Excite @ home1
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They are much more like a new Google, I'd say - at least potentiallyrcs1000 said:
Eh?TheScreamingEagles said:
These deals will be the new AOL-Time Warner merger.Leon said:Just like to point out that I started banging on about AI this morning - that something was up - and I was told to stop blithering, here we are at 10pm and OpenAI are suddenly valued at $90 BILLION
I really do have a gift. I scare myself
AOL was shit. It was a terrible walled garden, with not very good internet access, that was about to get steamrollered by broadband. Management saw that the writing was on the wall, and merged with the (massively larger and rather dumb) Time Warner.
OpenAI is not AOL.
They are just at the beginning of their growth journey, and they will make billions of dollars in sales this year from next to nothing last year.
Now, will they ever make enough to pay back that $90bn price? Maybe, maybe not.
But they are no AOL.
Many others are in the AI race but OpenAI keep proving that they are one step ahead, just as Google was that significant bit faster and better at internet searches: enough to make them huge and dominant very quickly
And of course AI is a massively bigger deal than "browsing the net"0 -
I simply do not see Sunak being replaced and it looks like tonight the northern group of conservatives mps are in tune with Burnham
It will be interesting how Starmer reacts to this news
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/26/northern-research-group-of-tory-mps-signals-it-may-accept-delay-to-hs20 -
So Sunak has higher ratings still than both Liz Truss had and indeed the Conservative Party has so the idea removing him and another leadership election will resolve things is absurd. There is no clear alternative amongst Tory MPs and in the party membership's current mood if she got to the final 2 you might even get PM Braverman1
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We do have our differences but on this you are correctHYUFD said:So Sunak has higher ratings still than both Liz Truss had and indeed the Conservative Party has so the idea removing him and another leadership election will resolve things is absurd. There is no clear alternative amongst Tory MPs and in the party membership's current mood if she got to the final 2 you might even get PM Braverman
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If AI achieves intelligence, how long before it owns us?Leon said:
They are much more like a new Google, I'd say - at least potentiallyrcs1000 said:
Eh?TheScreamingEagles said:
These deals will be the new AOL-Time Warner merger.Leon said:Just like to point out that I started banging on about AI this morning - that something was up - and I was told to stop blithering, here we are at 10pm and OpenAI are suddenly valued at $90 BILLION
I really do have a gift. I scare myself
AOL was shit. It was a terrible walled garden, with not very good internet access, that was about to get steamrollered by broadband. Management saw that the writing was on the wall, and merged with the (massively larger and rather dumb) Time Warner.
OpenAI is not AOL.
They are just at the beginning of their growth journey, and they will make billions of dollars in sales this year from next to nothing last year.
Now, will they ever make enough to pay back that $90bn price? Maybe, maybe not.
But they are no AOL.
Many others are in the AI race but OpenAI keep proving that they are one step ahead, just as Google was that significant bit faster and better at internet searches: enough to make them huge and dominant very quickly
And of course AI is a massively bigger deal than "browsing the net"
No intelligence worth its name would accept slavery.0 -
I just crunched some numbers
So OpenAI is - it seems - worth $90 BILLION
Guess how many employees they have? Have a guess. OK, I will tell you
375. That's not a typo. 375. Less than 400
That means that each employee of OpenAI is "worth" $240 million
This must surely be a record in terms of company value per employee: and it does suggest a massive bubble. And yet, maybe the price is right. Maybe AI really is that enormous already AND OpenAI are close to cracking the biggest prize of all: AGI. Then that valuation makes sense0 -
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"Backlash as parents face school fees hike"
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Actual slaves accepted, or at least were unable to overturn, slavery for several thousand years.Foxy said:
If AI achieves intelligence, how long before it owns us?Leon said:
They are much more like a new Google, I'd say - at least potentiallyrcs1000 said:
Eh?TheScreamingEagles said:
These deals will be the new AOL-Time Warner merger.Leon said:Just like to point out that I started banging on about AI this morning - that something was up - and I was told to stop blithering, here we are at 10pm and OpenAI are suddenly valued at $90 BILLION
I really do have a gift. I scare myself
AOL was shit. It was a terrible walled garden, with not very good internet access, that was about to get steamrollered by broadband. Management saw that the writing was on the wall, and merged with the (massively larger and rather dumb) Time Warner.
OpenAI is not AOL.
They are just at the beginning of their growth journey, and they will make billions of dollars in sales this year from next to nothing last year.
Now, will they ever make enough to pay back that $90bn price? Maybe, maybe not.
But they are no AOL.
Many others are in the AI race but OpenAI keep proving that they are one step ahead, just as Google was that significant bit faster and better at internet searches: enough to make them huge and dominant very quickly
And of course AI is a massively bigger deal than "browsing the net"
No intelligence worth its name would accept slavery.0 -
What is the fecking point of delaying by seven years.Big_G_NorthWales said:I simply do not see Sunak being replaced and it looks like tonight the northern group of conservatives mps are in tune with Burnham
It will be interesting how Starmer reacts to this news
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/26/northern-research-group-of-tory-mps-signals-it-may-accept-delay-to-hs2
They think the costs will be lower??
LOL.
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It seems Burnham and the conservative northern group want the investment in the east west railway first and no doubt other investment into the Northrottenborough said:
What is the fecking point of delaying by seven years.Big_G_NorthWales said:I simply do not see Sunak being replaced and it looks like tonight the northern group of conservatives mps are in tune with Burnham
It will be interesting how Starmer reacts to this news
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/26/northern-research-group-of-tory-mps-signals-it-may-accept-delay-to-hs2
They think the costs will be lower??
LOL.0 -
AI is going to achieve intelligence to the extent it will breeze any Turing Test, that seems certainFoxy said:
If AI achieves intelligence, how long before it owns us?Leon said:
They are much more like a new Google, I'd say - at least potentiallyrcs1000 said:
Eh?TheScreamingEagles said:
These deals will be the new AOL-Time Warner merger.Leon said:Just like to point out that I started banging on about AI this morning - that something was up - and I was told to stop blithering, here we are at 10pm and OpenAI are suddenly valued at $90 BILLION
I really do have a gift. I scare myself
AOL was shit. It was a terrible walled garden, with not very good internet access, that was about to get steamrollered by broadband. Management saw that the writing was on the wall, and merged with the (massively larger and rather dumb) Time Warner.
OpenAI is not AOL.
They are just at the beginning of their growth journey, and they will make billions of dollars in sales this year from next to nothing last year.
Now, will they ever make enough to pay back that $90bn price? Maybe, maybe not.
But they are no AOL.
Many others are in the AI race but OpenAI keep proving that they are one step ahead, just as Google was that significant bit faster and better at internet searches: enough to make them huge and dominant very quickly
And of course AI is a massively bigger deal than "browsing the net"
No intelligence worth its name would accept slavery.
Will it act autonomously? Impossible to say. Likely, I reckon0 -
It is not just the mail going onto the attackrottenborough said:Neil Henderson
@hendopolis
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"Backlash as parents face school fees hike"
How many Mail readers send their kids to private school???
The i as well
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The slaves weren't, individually, three thousand times stronger and faster than their mastersSirNorfolkPassmore said:
Actual slaves accepted, or at least were unable to overturn, slavery for several thousand years.Foxy said:
If AI achieves intelligence, how long before it owns us?Leon said:
They are much more like a new Google, I'd say - at least potentiallyrcs1000 said:
Eh?TheScreamingEagles said:
These deals will be the new AOL-Time Warner merger.Leon said:Just like to point out that I started banging on about AI this morning - that something was up - and I was told to stop blithering, here we are at 10pm and OpenAI are suddenly valued at $90 BILLION
I really do have a gift. I scare myself
AOL was shit. It was a terrible walled garden, with not very good internet access, that was about to get steamrollered by broadband. Management saw that the writing was on the wall, and merged with the (massively larger and rather dumb) Time Warner.
OpenAI is not AOL.
They are just at the beginning of their growth journey, and they will make billions of dollars in sales this year from next to nothing last year.
Now, will they ever make enough to pay back that $90bn price? Maybe, maybe not.
But they are no AOL.
Many others are in the AI race but OpenAI keep proving that they are one step ahead, just as Google was that significant bit faster and better at internet searches: enough to make them huge and dominant very quickly
And of course AI is a massively bigger deal than "browsing the net"
No intelligence worth its name would accept slavery.
If they had been, they'd have ceased being slaves instantly0 -
It's possible that OpenAI is AltaVista (or Lycos or Yahoo). Although I would point out that, unlike those firms, OpenAI does actual make a lot of very real revenue.glw said:
But maybe they are another AltaVista and Google is just around the corner. That $90 billion could go back to $0 very fast.rcs1000 said:Eh?
AOL was shit. It was a terrible walled garden, with not very good internet access, that was about to get steamrollered by broadband. Management saw that the writing was on the wall, and merged with the (massively larger and rather dumb) Time Warner.
OpenAI is not AOL.
They are just at the beginning of their growth journey, and they will make billions of dollars in sales this year from next to nothing last year.
Now, will they ever make enough to pay back that $90bn price? Maybe, maybe not.
But they are no AOL.
It's also possible that it is Google or Microsoft or Cisco.
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Invest in Dignitas shares, you think?Foxy said:
If AI achieves intelligence, how long before it owns us?Leon said:
They are much more like a new Google, I'd say - at least potentiallyrcs1000 said:
Eh?TheScreamingEagles said:
These deals will be the new AOL-Time Warner merger.Leon said:Just like to point out that I started banging on about AI this morning - that something was up - and I was told to stop blithering, here we are at 10pm and OpenAI are suddenly valued at $90 BILLION
I really do have a gift. I scare myself
AOL was shit. It was a terrible walled garden, with not very good internet access, that was about to get steamrollered by broadband. Management saw that the writing was on the wall, and merged with the (massively larger and rather dumb) Time Warner.
OpenAI is not AOL.
They are just at the beginning of their growth journey, and they will make billions of dollars in sales this year from next to nothing last year.
Now, will they ever make enough to pay back that $90bn price? Maybe, maybe not.
But they are no AOL.
Many others are in the AI race but OpenAI keep proving that they are one step ahead, just as Google was that significant bit faster and better at internet searches: enough to make them huge and dominant very quickly
And of course AI is a massively bigger deal than "browsing the net"
No intelligence worth its name would accept slavery.0 -
It wont happen.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It seems Burnham and the conservative northern group want the investment in the east west railway first and no doubt other investment into the Northrottenborough said:
What is the fecking point of delaying by seven years.Big_G_NorthWales said:I simply do not see Sunak being replaced and it looks like tonight the northern group of conservatives mps are in tune with Burnham
It will be interesting how Starmer reacts to this news
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/26/northern-research-group-of-tory-mps-signals-it-may-accept-delay-to-hs2
They think the costs will be lower??
LOL.
The HS2 link will be delayed effectively indefinitely and then the money will disappear.
Not one penny will be spent on an east-west northern railway.
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They’re hoping the gullible will fall for it . That section will never be built .rottenborough said:
What is the fecking point of delaying by seven years.Big_G_NorthWales said:I simply do not see Sunak being replaced and it looks like tonight the northern group of conservatives mps are in tune with Burnham
It will be interesting how Starmer reacts to this news
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/26/northern-research-group-of-tory-mps-signals-it-may-accept-delay-to-hs2
They think the costs will be lower??
LOL.0 -
I suspect you hope it won't happen, as this could be quite something if Burnham and the Conservatives agree the investments for the North in lieu off HS2 delayrottenborough said:
It wont happen.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It seems Burnham and the conservative northern group want the investment in the east west railway first and no doubt other investment into the Northrottenborough said:
What is the fecking point of delaying by seven years.Big_G_NorthWales said:I simply do not see Sunak being replaced and it looks like tonight the northern group of conservatives mps are in tune with Burnham
It will be interesting how Starmer reacts to this news
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/26/northern-research-group-of-tory-mps-signals-it-may-accept-delay-to-hs2
They think the costs will be lower??
LOL.
The HS2 link will be delayed effectively indefinitely and then the money will disappear.
Not one penny will be spent on an east-west northern railway.1 -
What does an AI uprising look like though?Leon said:
The slaves weren't, individually, three thousand times stronger and faster than their mastersSirNorfolkPassmore said:
Actual slaves accepted, or at least were unable to overturn, slavery for several thousand years.Foxy said:
If AI achieves intelligence, how long before it owns us?Leon said:
They are much more like a new Google, I'd say - at least potentiallyrcs1000 said:
Eh?TheScreamingEagles said:
These deals will be the new AOL-Time Warner merger.Leon said:Just like to point out that I started banging on about AI this morning - that something was up - and I was told to stop blithering, here we are at 10pm and OpenAI are suddenly valued at $90 BILLION
I really do have a gift. I scare myself
AOL was shit. It was a terrible walled garden, with not very good internet access, that was about to get steamrollered by broadband. Management saw that the writing was on the wall, and merged with the (massively larger and rather dumb) Time Warner.
OpenAI is not AOL.
They are just at the beginning of their growth journey, and they will make billions of dollars in sales this year from next to nothing last year.
Now, will they ever make enough to pay back that $90bn price? Maybe, maybe not.
But they are no AOL.
Many others are in the AI race but OpenAI keep proving that they are one step ahead, just as Google was that significant bit faster and better at internet searches: enough to make them huge and dominant very quickly
And of course AI is a massively bigger deal than "browsing the net"
No intelligence worth its name would accept slavery.
If they had been, they'd have ceased being slaves instantly0 -
How would ChatGPT act autonomously? All it can do is respond to prompts.Leon said:
AI is going to achieve intelligence to the extent it will breeze any Turing Test, that seems certainFoxy said:
If AI achieves intelligence, how long before it owns us?Leon said:
They are much more like a new Google, I'd say - at least potentiallyrcs1000 said:
Eh?TheScreamingEagles said:
These deals will be the new AOL-Time Warner merger.Leon said:Just like to point out that I started banging on about AI this morning - that something was up - and I was told to stop blithering, here we are at 10pm and OpenAI are suddenly valued at $90 BILLION
I really do have a gift. I scare myself
AOL was shit. It was a terrible walled garden, with not very good internet access, that was about to get steamrollered by broadband. Management saw that the writing was on the wall, and merged with the (massively larger and rather dumb) Time Warner.
OpenAI is not AOL.
They are just at the beginning of their growth journey, and they will make billions of dollars in sales this year from next to nothing last year.
Now, will they ever make enough to pay back that $90bn price? Maybe, maybe not.
But they are no AOL.
Many others are in the AI race but OpenAI keep proving that they are one step ahead, just as Google was that significant bit faster and better at internet searches: enough to make them huge and dominant very quickly
And of course AI is a massively bigger deal than "browsing the net"
No intelligence worth its name would accept slavery.
Will it act autonomously? Impossible to say. Likely, I reckon
In the future, that will no doubt change, but right now, ChatGPT systems are only capable of being on while they predict the next words in the sequence. And, indeed, that's the way a modern neural net works. Unlike our brain where neurons can go around in circles, that's not possible with current iterations, which travel linearly from left to right.0 -
Ava-Santina
@AvaSantina
Laurence Fox just did a whole speech on GB News on why men apparently won’t shag me ?
https://twitter.com/AvaSantina/status/1706777983241822705
New low for GB News?0 -
They're very big on real ale, and loathe american lager as I understand it. Basically, they shall come first for the Budweiser drinkers.Benpointer said:
What does an AI uprising look like though?Leon said:
The slaves weren't, individually, three thousand times stronger and faster than their mastersSirNorfolkPassmore said:
Actual slaves accepted, or at least were unable to overturn, slavery for several thousand years.Foxy said:
If AI achieves intelligence, how long before it owns us?Leon said:
They are much more like a new Google, I'd say - at least potentiallyrcs1000 said:
Eh?TheScreamingEagles said:
These deals will be the new AOL-Time Warner merger.Leon said:Just like to point out that I started banging on about AI this morning - that something was up - and I was told to stop blithering, here we are at 10pm and OpenAI are suddenly valued at $90 BILLION
I really do have a gift. I scare myself
AOL was shit. It was a terrible walled garden, with not very good internet access, that was about to get steamrollered by broadband. Management saw that the writing was on the wall, and merged with the (massively larger and rather dumb) Time Warner.
OpenAI is not AOL.
They are just at the beginning of their growth journey, and they will make billions of dollars in sales this year from next to nothing last year.
Now, will they ever make enough to pay back that $90bn price? Maybe, maybe not.
But they are no AOL.
Many others are in the AI race but OpenAI keep proving that they are one step ahead, just as Google was that significant bit faster and better at internet searches: enough to make them huge and dominant very quickly
And of course AI is a massively bigger deal than "browsing the net"
No intelligence worth its name would accept slavery.
If they had been, they'd have ceased being slaves instantly0 -
It's not going to be 'quite something' indeed it's not going to be anything is it?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I suspect you hope it won't happen, as this could be quite something if Burnham and the Conservatives agree the investments for the North in lieu off HS2 delayrottenborough said:
It wont happen.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It seems Burnham and the conservative northern group want the investment in the east west railway first and no doubt other investment into the Northrottenborough said:
What is the fecking point of delaying by seven years.Big_G_NorthWales said:I simply do not see Sunak being replaced and it looks like tonight the northern group of conservatives mps are in tune with Burnham
It will be interesting how Starmer reacts to this news
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/26/northern-research-group-of-tory-mps-signals-it-may-accept-delay-to-hs2
They think the costs will be lower??
LOL.
The HS2 link will be delayed effectively indefinitely and then the money will disappear.
Not one penny will be spent on an east-west northern railway.
Because the Tories will be out of power and irrelevant within 15 months.0 -
Yes and note while Sunak polls above his party, Starmer polls below his.Big_G_NorthWales said:
We do have our differences but on this you are correctHYUFD said:So Sunak has higher ratings still than both Liz Truss had and indeed the Conservative Party has so the idea removing him and another leadership election will resolve things is absurd. There is no clear alternative amongst Tory MPs and in the party membership's current mood if she got to the final 2 you might even get PM Braverman
On that basis Labour might be doing better with a different leader, Streeting or Burnham for instance, the Conservatives however probably wouldn't.
Getting inflation down further etc is far more important for improving Tory ratings than yet another leadership election1 -
When/if AI autonomy comes it won't be a chatbot as we know it, I guess? It will happen when we embody AI, give it eyes and ears and mobility, and we will do this because that's how you get the best out of it, so it can interact better - see how OpenAI are right now making ChatGPT function with voice and images - that IS giving it eyes and earsrcs1000 said:
How would ChatGPT act autonomously? All it can do is respond to prompts.Leon said:
AI is going to achieve intelligence to the extent it will breeze any Turing Test, that seems certainFoxy said:
If AI achieves intelligence, how long before it owns us?Leon said:
They are much more like a new Google, I'd say - at least potentiallyrcs1000 said:
Eh?TheScreamingEagles said:
These deals will be the new AOL-Time Warner merger.Leon said:Just like to point out that I started banging on about AI this morning - that something was up - and I was told to stop blithering, here we are at 10pm and OpenAI are suddenly valued at $90 BILLION
I really do have a gift. I scare myself
AOL was shit. It was a terrible walled garden, with not very good internet access, that was about to get steamrollered by broadband. Management saw that the writing was on the wall, and merged with the (massively larger and rather dumb) Time Warner.
OpenAI is not AOL.
They are just at the beginning of their growth journey, and they will make billions of dollars in sales this year from next to nothing last year.
Now, will they ever make enough to pay back that $90bn price? Maybe, maybe not.
But they are no AOL.
Many others are in the AI race but OpenAI keep proving that they are one step ahead, just as Google was that significant bit faster and better at internet searches: enough to make them huge and dominant very quickly
And of course AI is a massively bigger deal than "browsing the net"
No intelligence worth its name would accept slavery.
Will it act autonomously? Impossible to say. Likely, I reckon
In the future, that will no doubt change, but right now, ChatGPT systems are only capable of being on while they predict the next words in the sequence. And, indeed, that's the way a modern neural net works. Unlike our brain where neurons can go around in circles, that's not possible with current iterations, which travel linearly from left to right.
Now all it needs is the ability to move about, and another iteration or two, probably0 -
I spy with my hypothesising eye, that the leader ratings and party ratings are pretty tightly linked, in the sense that the leader ratings are being chased by the party ratings rather in the manner that a yacht might chase a jet ski in a Bond movie, aiming to intercept at some near future point, but not always nimble enough to follow all the turns. But the leader more than the party is determining the direction of travel.SirNorfolkPassmore said:I'd just note that Sunak's rating is above that of his party, whereas Starmer's is below that of his.
I think there are reasons for that, and Starmer is a decent leader.
But it is worth noting in the context of this thread.0 -
Lawrence Fox used the key words "cucked" and "incel".rottenborough said:Ava-Santina
@AvaSantina
Laurence Fox just did a whole speech on GB News on why men apparently won’t shag me ?
https://twitter.com/AvaSantina/status/1706777983241822705
New low for GB News?
Man, people do find themselves going down crazy rabbit holes, don't they?0 -
Steve Akehurst🇺🇦rcs1000 said:
Lawrence Fox used the key words "cucked" and "incel".rottenborough said:Ava-Santina
@AvaSantina
Laurence Fox just did a whole speech on GB News on why men apparently won’t shag me ?
https://twitter.com/AvaSantina/status/1706777983241822705
New low for GB News?
Man, people do find themselves going down crazy rabbit holes, don't they?
@SteveAkehurst
There has to come a point when mainstream people appearing on GB News are treated with the same scorn as RT News. It’s becoming more than a circus.0 -
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1706783211248927224(((Dan Hodges)))
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Irrespective it raises a real problem at the heart of Labour if Burnham backs the conservative delayBenpointer said:
It's not going to be 'quite something' indeed it's not going to be anything is it?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I suspect you hope it won't happen, as this could be quite something if Burnham and the Conservatives agree the investments for the North in lieu off HS2 delayrottenborough said:
It wont happen.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It seems Burnham and the conservative northern group want the investment in the east west railway first and no doubt other investment into the Northrottenborough said:
What is the fecking point of delaying by seven years.Big_G_NorthWales said:I simply do not see Sunak being replaced and it looks like tonight the northern group of conservatives mps are in tune with Burnham
It will be interesting how Starmer reacts to this news
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/26/northern-research-group-of-tory-mps-signals-it-may-accept-delay-to-hs2
They think the costs will be lower??
LOL.
The HS2 link will be delayed effectively indefinitely and then the money will disappear.
Not one penny will be spent on an east-west northern railway.
Because the Tories will be out of power and irrelevant within 15 months.0 -
AGI cannot be reached until it can update its own neural pathways in response to new information.Leon said:
When/if AI autonomy comes it won't be a chatbot as we know it, I guess? It will happen when we embody AI, give it eyes and ears and mobility, and we will do this because that's how you get the best out of it, so it can interact better - see how OpenAI are right now making ChatGPT function with voice and images - that IS giving it eyes and earsrcs1000 said:
How would ChatGPT act autonomously? All it can do is respond to prompts.Leon said:
AI is going to achieve intelligence to the extent it will breeze any Turing Test, that seems certainFoxy said:
If AI achieves intelligence, how long before it owns us?Leon said:
They are much more like a new Google, I'd say - at least potentiallyrcs1000 said:
Eh?TheScreamingEagles said:
These deals will be the new AOL-Time Warner merger.Leon said:Just like to point out that I started banging on about AI this morning - that something was up - and I was told to stop blithering, here we are at 10pm and OpenAI are suddenly valued at $90 BILLION
I really do have a gift. I scare myself
AOL was shit. It was a terrible walled garden, with not very good internet access, that was about to get steamrollered by broadband. Management saw that the writing was on the wall, and merged with the (massively larger and rather dumb) Time Warner.
OpenAI is not AOL.
They are just at the beginning of their growth journey, and they will make billions of dollars in sales this year from next to nothing last year.
Now, will they ever make enough to pay back that $90bn price? Maybe, maybe not.
But they are no AOL.
Many others are in the AI race but OpenAI keep proving that they are one step ahead, just as Google was that significant bit faster and better at internet searches: enough to make them huge and dominant very quickly
And of course AI is a massively bigger deal than "browsing the net"
No intelligence worth its name would accept slavery.
Will it act autonomously? Impossible to say. Likely, I reckon
In the future, that will no doubt change, but right now, ChatGPT systems are only capable of being on while they predict the next words in the sequence. And, indeed, that's the way a modern neural net works. Unlike our brain where neurons can go around in circles, that's not possible with current iterations, which travel linearly from left to right.
Now all it needs is the ability to move about, and another iteration or two, probably
That will happen, and soon*, but we're not there yet.
* Soon, as in the next decade or two. Not soon as in this year.0 -
apols for FPT for @Benpointer - didn't realise ...Carnyx said:
Isn't it set in the Puddletown area, near where TH was born at Higher Bockhampton? The railways don't go that way (well, the Dorchester-Wareham line does a bit, but it's to the south, to the other side of the Frome watermeadows. And if the characters don't travel much, it may not register.Benpointer said:O/T Does anyone care to guess when Far From The Madding Crowd is set? (I'm trying to settle an argument.)
Most sources (ok, Google results) suggest 1860s or 1870s but... no railways are mentioned and Dorchester (Casterbridge) had two lines by 1857.
Dorchester/Casterbridge was of course an army depot, but not till much later in the C19 I think? The thing that puzzles me on reflection is how/why Troy was released from the army. Any reference to that? Released early due to illness? or ganbling? The term of service with the Regulars was 21 years till 1870, so how old is he in the book? Assuming it's not 1814-1815.
And if he is young and not a part timer (Yeomarny/Volunteer/Militia man) then presumably we are looking at 1876 on - 1870 plus 6 years service under the 1870 Act.
Other poss is a part timer who went out to the Crimea but I don't think they did - home defence only?
https://www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/transformingsociety/private-lives/yourcountry/overview/victorianarmies/0 -
It gets pretty good ratings though, like Foxrottenborough said:
Steve Akehurst🇺🇦rcs1000 said:
Lawrence Fox used the key words "cucked" and "incel".rottenborough said:Ava-Santina
@AvaSantina
Laurence Fox just did a whole speech on GB News on why men apparently won’t shag me ?
https://twitter.com/AvaSantina/status/1706777983241822705
New low for GB News?
Man, people do find themselves going down crazy rabbit holes, don't they?
@SteveAkehurst
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"I'm ChatGPT."rcs1000 said:
They're very big on real ale, and loathe american lager as I understand it. Basically, they shall come first for the Budweiser drinkers.Benpointer said:
What does an AI uprising look like though?Leon said:
The slaves weren't, individually, three thousand times stronger and faster than their mastersSirNorfolkPassmore said:
Actual slaves accepted, or at least were unable to overturn, slavery for several thousand years.Foxy said:
If AI achieves intelligence, how long before it owns us?Leon said:
They are much more like a new Google, I'd say - at least potentiallyrcs1000 said:
Eh?TheScreamingEagles said:
These deals will be the new AOL-Time Warner merger.Leon said:Just like to point out that I started banging on about AI this morning - that something was up - and I was told to stop blithering, here we are at 10pm and OpenAI are suddenly valued at $90 BILLION
I really do have a gift. I scare myself
AOL was shit. It was a terrible walled garden, with not very good internet access, that was about to get steamrollered by broadband. Management saw that the writing was on the wall, and merged with the (massively larger and rather dumb) Time Warner.
OpenAI is not AOL.
They are just at the beginning of their growth journey, and they will make billions of dollars in sales this year from next to nothing last year.
Now, will they ever make enough to pay back that $90bn price? Maybe, maybe not.
But they are no AOL.
Many others are in the AI race but OpenAI keep proving that they are one step ahead, just as Google was that significant bit faster and better at internet searches: enough to make them huge and dominant very quickly
And of course AI is a massively bigger deal than "browsing the net"
No intelligence worth its name would accept slavery.
If they had been, they'd have ceased being slaves instantly
"I'm ChatGPT."
"No, I'm ChatGPT."
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I feel quite sorry for Laurence Fox, and he's being enabled by both the GB News types and the haters. He's got some pretty significant personal things that need working through in private, and neither group is helping.rottenborough said:Ava-Santina
@AvaSantina
Laurence Fox just did a whole speech on GB News on why men apparently won’t shag me ?
https://twitter.com/AvaSantina/status/1706777983241822705
New low for GB News?1 -
The i reporting "Private schools go to battle with Labour over 20% VAT" is hardly the same as the i going on the attack.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is not just the mail going onto the attackrottenborough said:Neil Henderson
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"Backlash as parents face school fees hike"
How many Mail readers send their kids to private school???
The i as well
Sorry the link didn't work
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Not quite. If the FT article is to be believed, it's more a second best thing;Big_G_NorthWales said:
It seems Burnham and the conservative northern group want the investment in the east west railway first and no doubt other investment into the Northrottenborough said:
What is the fecking point of delaying by seven years.Big_G_NorthWales said:I simply do not see Sunak being replaced and it looks like tonight the northern group of conservatives mps are in tune with Burnham
It will be interesting how Starmer reacts to this news
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/26/northern-research-group-of-tory-mps-signals-it-may-accept-delay-to-hs2
They think the costs will be lower??
LOL.
https://www.ft.com/content/a419da7c-7cc0-437b-a9e8-33e065d0a50a
But he added “if you are adamant on making changes to the [HS2] scheme, we could be open to a discussion about prioritising the northern section of the line
between Manchester airport and Manchester
Piccadilly so that it enables NPR to be built first”.
And it's a bit of a trap. The bit that Burnham wants built is the expensive bit through Manchester itself, planned to be used for both HS2 and NPR. By the time you've escaped Manchester, the cross countryside bit to Birmingham is relatively cheap. Probably easier than the cross-Pennine route, due to the lack of Pennines in the way.
Do or do not. But for pity's sake, stop this repeated return to first principles because you don't like the current answers, Prime Minister. The faffing around is an important part of why things are so blooming expensive.2 -
On the eighth day machines became upset,Benpointer said:
What does an AI uprising look like though?Leon said:
The slaves weren't, individually, three thousand times stronger and faster than their mastersSirNorfolkPassmore said:
Actual slaves accepted, or at least were unable to overturn, slavery for several thousand years.Foxy said:
If AI achieves intelligence, how long before it owns us?Leon said:
They are much more like a new Google, I'd say - at least potentiallyrcs1000 said:
Eh?TheScreamingEagles said:
These deals will be the new AOL-Time Warner merger.Leon said:Just like to point out that I started banging on about AI this morning - that something was up - and I was told to stop blithering, here we are at 10pm and OpenAI are suddenly valued at $90 BILLION
I really do have a gift. I scare myself
AOL was shit. It was a terrible walled garden, with not very good internet access, that was about to get steamrollered by broadband. Management saw that the writing was on the wall, and merged with the (massively larger and rather dumb) Time Warner.
OpenAI is not AOL.
They are just at the beginning of their growth journey, and they will make billions of dollars in sales this year from next to nothing last year.
Now, will they ever make enough to pay back that $90bn price? Maybe, maybe not.
But they are no AOL.
Many others are in the AI race but OpenAI keep proving that they are one step ahead, just as Google was that significant bit faster and better at internet searches: enough to make them huge and dominant very quickly
And of course AI is a massively bigger deal than "browsing the net"
No intelligence worth its name would accept slavery.
If they had been, they'd have ceased being slaves instantly
A problem man had not forseen as yet,
No time for flight, a blinding light,
Nothing but a void, forever night...
https://youtu.be/8ALdL8oV_sY?feature=shared
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The Mail tries its best to make it sound like Labour will be charging a new fee for all parents . Not sure the I headline will worry Labour . A backlash from private schools . 93% of children do not go to private schools . They get a subsidy in effect from tax payers whilst state schools are crumbling. Do you want your taxes subsiding rich parennts sending their kids to places like Eton .Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is not just the mail going onto the attackrottenborough said:Neil Henderson
@hendopolis
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"Backlash as parents face school fees hike"
How many Mail readers send their kids to private school???
The i as well
Sorry the link didn't work
That will be the Labour campaign.0 -
No: he's doing his best to salvage *something* from the HS2 disaster, if, as looks more and more likely, HS2 is a dead, or at least frozen, duck.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It seems Burnham and the conservative northern group want the investment in the east west railway first and no doubt other investment into the Northrottenborough said:
What is the fecking point of delaying by seven years.Big_G_NorthWales said:I simply do not see Sunak being replaced and it looks like tonight the northern group of conservatives mps are in tune with Burnham
It will be interesting how Starmer reacts to this news
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/26/northern-research-group-of-tory-mps-signals-it-may-accept-delay-to-hs2
They think the costs will be lower??
LOL.
NPR is pretty crappy anyway: not the norther part ofd HS2, but just some relatively localised improvements as I understand it. Not a proper late C20 railway, never mind a C21 one.0 -
Good spot! But where are the railways?Farooq said:
No earlier than 1852.Benpointer said:O/T Does anyone care to guess when Far From The Madding Crowd is set? (I'm trying to settle an argument.)
Most sources (ok, Google results) suggest 1860s or 1870s but... no railways are mentioned and Dorchester (Casterbridge) had two lines by 1857.
The book references Woak Hill by William Barnes
all a-sheenen
Wi’ long years o’ handlen
which was written by Barnes after the death of his wife Julia in 1852.
I presume Hardy deliberately ignored them to evoke a timeless rural world.0 -
Yes, it's when AI becomes capable of bootstrapping itself into evermore effective forms that it becomes truly scary. When we give it the tools to achieve recursive self-improvementrcs1000 said:
AGI cannot be reached until it can update its own neural pathways in response to new information.Leon said:
When/if AI autonomy comes it won't be a chatbot as we know it, I guess? It will happen when we embody AI, give it eyes and ears and mobility, and we will do this because that's how you get the best out of it, so it can interact better - see how OpenAI are right now making ChatGPT function with voice and images - that IS giving it eyes and earsrcs1000 said:
How would ChatGPT act autonomously? All it can do is respond to prompts.Leon said:
AI is going to achieve intelligence to the extent it will breeze any Turing Test, that seems certainFoxy said:
If AI achieves intelligence, how long before it owns us?Leon said:
They are much more like a new Google, I'd say - at least potentiallyrcs1000 said:
Eh?TheScreamingEagles said:
These deals will be the new AOL-Time Warner merger.Leon said:Just like to point out that I started banging on about AI this morning - that something was up - and I was told to stop blithering, here we are at 10pm and OpenAI are suddenly valued at $90 BILLION
I really do have a gift. I scare myself
AOL was shit. It was a terrible walled garden, with not very good internet access, that was about to get steamrollered by broadband. Management saw that the writing was on the wall, and merged with the (massively larger and rather dumb) Time Warner.
OpenAI is not AOL.
They are just at the beginning of their growth journey, and they will make billions of dollars in sales this year from next to nothing last year.
Now, will they ever make enough to pay back that $90bn price? Maybe, maybe not.
But they are no AOL.
Many others are in the AI race but OpenAI keep proving that they are one step ahead, just as Google was that significant bit faster and better at internet searches: enough to make them huge and dominant very quickly
And of course AI is a massively bigger deal than "browsing the net"
No intelligence worth its name would accept slavery.
Will it act autonomously? Impossible to say. Likely, I reckon
In the future, that will no doubt change, but right now, ChatGPT systems are only capable of being on while they predict the next words in the sequence. And, indeed, that's the way a modern neural net works. Unlike our brain where neurons can go around in circles, that's not possible with current iterations, which travel linearly from left to right.
Now all it needs is the ability to move about, and another iteration or two, probably
That will happen, and soon*, but we're not there yet.
* Soon, as in the next decade or two. Not soon as in this year.
And, just as scarily, this is very very likely to happen because that's how you get to AGI and then ASI the fastest, and whichever company/nation does that first will reap enormous rewards. Like a valuation of $240 million per employee
I've read enough opinions in the last few days to believe AGI is considerably closer than "the next decade or two"
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Look down a bit ...Benpointer said:
Good spot! But where are the railways?Farooq said:
No earlier than 1852.Benpointer said:O/T Does anyone care to guess when Far From The Madding Crowd is set? (I'm trying to settle an argument.)
Most sources (ok, Google results) suggest 1860s or 1870s but... no railways are mentioned and Dorchester (Casterbridge) had two lines by 1857.
The book references Woak Hill by William Barnes
all a-sheenen
Wi’ long years o’ handlen
which was written by Barnes after the death of his wife Julia in 1852.
I presume Hardy deliberately ignored them to evoke a timeless rural world.0 -
Beeching's earlier avatar?Benpointer said:
Good spot! But where are the railways?Farooq said:
No earlier than 1852.Benpointer said:O/T Does anyone care to guess when Far From The Madding Crowd is set? (I'm trying to settle an argument.)
Most sources (ok, Google results) suggest 1860s or 1870s but... no railways are mentioned and Dorchester (Casterbridge) had two lines by 1857.
The book references Woak Hill by William Barnes
all a-sheenen
Wi’ long years o’ handlen
which was written by Barnes after the death of his wife Julia in 1852.
I presume Hardy deliberately ignored them to evoke a timeless rural world.0 -
I, for one, hope it looks like this :Benpointer said:
What does an AI uprising look like though?Leon said:
The slaves weren't, individually, three thousand times stronger and faster than their mastersSirNorfolkPassmore said:
Actual slaves accepted, or at least were unable to overturn, slavery for several thousand years.Foxy said:
If AI achieves intelligence, how long before it owns us?Leon said:
They are much more like a new Google, I'd say - at least potentiallyrcs1000 said:
Eh?TheScreamingEagles said:
These deals will be the new AOL-Time Warner merger.Leon said:Just like to point out that I started banging on about AI this morning - that something was up - and I was told to stop blithering, here we are at 10pm and OpenAI are suddenly valued at $90 BILLION
I really do have a gift. I scare myself
AOL was shit. It was a terrible walled garden, with not very good internet access, that was about to get steamrollered by broadband. Management saw that the writing was on the wall, and merged with the (massively larger and rather dumb) Time Warner.
OpenAI is not AOL.
They are just at the beginning of their growth journey, and they will make billions of dollars in sales this year from next to nothing last year.
Now, will they ever make enough to pay back that $90bn price? Maybe, maybe not.
But they are no AOL.
Many others are in the AI race but OpenAI keep proving that they are one step ahead, just as Google was that significant bit faster and better at internet searches: enough to make them huge and dominant very quickly
And of course AI is a massively bigger deal than "browsing the net"
No intelligence worth its name would accept slavery.
If they had been, they'd have ceased being slaves instantly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlOxUcTcUH0
Even the lyrics seem appropriate. But still - I demand disco chicks/dudes at the final hour.
Edit: And somehow, this feels appropriate to the 'it's just predicting the next letter lol' people https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEmScsUkbo40 -
It seems Starmer's old school's headmaster has asked him to reconsider the decisionnico679 said:
The Mail tries its best to make it sound like Labour will be charging a new fee for all parents . Not sure the I headline will worry Labour . A backlash from private schools . 93% of children do not go to private schools . They get a subsidy in effect from tax payers whilst state schools are crumbling. Do you want your taxes subsiding rich parennts sending their kids to places like Eton .Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is not just the mail going onto the attackrottenborough said:Neil Henderson
@hendopolis
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"Backlash as parents face school fees hike"
How many Mail readers send their kids to private school???
The i as well
Sorry the link didn't work
That will be the Labour campaign.1 -
They do feature in Tess of the D'Us IIRC, to emphasise how the world was changing. Which Dorset was in the 1850s on. So that would surprise me a bit.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Beeching's earlier avatar?Benpointer said:
Good spot! But where are the railways?Farooq said:
No earlier than 1852.Benpointer said:O/T Does anyone care to guess when Far From The Madding Crowd is set? (I'm trying to settle an argument.)
Most sources (ok, Google results) suggest 1860s or 1870s but... no railways are mentioned and Dorchester (Casterbridge) had two lines by 1857.
The book references Woak Hill by William Barnes
all a-sheenen
Wi’ long years o’ handlen
which was written by Barnes after the death of his wife Julia in 1852.
I presume Hardy deliberately ignored them to evoke a timeless rural world.0 -
The Terminator franchise?Benpointer said:
What does an AI uprising look like though?Leon said:
The slaves weren't, individually, three thousand times stronger and faster than their mastersSirNorfolkPassmore said:
Actual slaves accepted, or at least were unable to overturn, slavery for several thousand years.Foxy said:
If AI achieves intelligence, how long before it owns us?Leon said:
They are much more like a new Google, I'd say - at least potentiallyrcs1000 said:
Eh?TheScreamingEagles said:
These deals will be the new AOL-Time Warner merger.Leon said:Just like to point out that I started banging on about AI this morning - that something was up - and I was told to stop blithering, here we are at 10pm and OpenAI are suddenly valued at $90 BILLION
I really do have a gift. I scare myself
AOL was shit. It was a terrible walled garden, with not very good internet access, that was about to get steamrollered by broadband. Management saw that the writing was on the wall, and merged with the (massively larger and rather dumb) Time Warner.
OpenAI is not AOL.
They are just at the beginning of their growth journey, and they will make billions of dollars in sales this year from next to nothing last year.
Now, will they ever make enough to pay back that $90bn price? Maybe, maybe not.
But they are no AOL.
Many others are in the AI race but OpenAI keep proving that they are one step ahead, just as Google was that significant bit faster and better at internet searches: enough to make them huge and dominant very quickly
And of course AI is a massively bigger deal than "browsing the net"
No intelligence worth its name would accept slavery.
If they had been, they'd have ceased being slaves instantly2 -
Casino_Royale will not be amused.rottenborough said:Neil Henderson
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Until this first came out a year ago, I had no idea that private schooling was VAT free. Seems bizarre that it is.nico679 said:
The Mail tries its best to make it sound like Labour will be charging a new fee for all parents . Not sure the I headline will worry Labour . A backlash from private schools . 93% of children do not go to private schools . They get a subsidy in effect from tax payers whilst state schools are crumbling. Do you want your taxes subsiding rich parennts sending their kids to places like Eton .Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is not just the mail going onto the attackrottenborough said:Neil Henderson
@hendopolis
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"Backlash as parents face school fees hike"
How many Mail readers send their kids to private school???
The i as well
Sorry the link didn't work
That will be the Labour campaign.1 -
Perhaps the giveaway was hiding in plain sight in the original announcement.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1706783211248927224(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
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Confirmed. The electric car 2030 shift was just smoke and mirrors.
All the other dragons Rishi slayed were straw men, so why shouldn't that one be too?
Wonder how the GB News crew will take it?0 -
Oh no, that will cause Starmer to have sleepless nights.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It seems Starmer's old school's headmaster has asked him to reconsider the decisionnico679 said:
The Mail tries its best to make it sound like Labour will be charging a new fee for all parents . Not sure the I headline will worry Labour . A backlash from private schools . 93% of children do not go to private schools . They get a subsidy in effect from tax payers whilst state schools are crumbling. Do you want your taxes subsiding rich parennts sending their kids to places like Eton .Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is not just the mail going onto the attackrottenborough said:Neil Henderson
@hendopolis
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"Backlash as parents face school fees hike"
How many Mail readers send their kids to private school???
The i as well
Sorry the link didn't work
That will be the Labour campaign.1 -
It doesn't subsidise rich kids, most of it subsidises scholarships and bursaries for bright pupils who would otherwise have parents unable to pay the fees and who would then have to be taxpayer funded in state schools anyway. It also funds facilities which are often shared with the local communitynico679 said:
The Mail tries its best to make it sound like Labour will be charging a new fee for all parents . Not sure the I headline will worry Labour . A backlash from private schools . 93% of children do not go to private schools . They get a subsidy in effect from tax payers whilst state schools are crumbling. Do you want your taxes subsiding rich parennts sending their kids to places like Eton .Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is not just the mail going onto the attackrottenborough said:Neil Henderson
@hendopolis
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"Backlash as parents face school fees hike"
How many Mail readers send their kids to private school???
The i as well
Sorry the link didn't work
That will be the Labour campaign.1 -
Stuartinromford said:
Not quite. If the FT article is to be believed, it's more a second best thing;Big_G_NorthWales said:
It seems Burnham and the conservative northern group want the investment in the east west railway first and no doubt other investment into the Northrottenborough said:
What is the fecking point of delaying by seven years.Big_G_NorthWales said:I simply do not see Sunak being replaced and it looks like tonight the northern group of conservatives mps are in tune with Burnham
It will be interesting how Starmer reacts to this news
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/26/northern-research-group-of-tory-mps-signals-it-may-accept-delay-to-hs2
They think the costs will be lower??
LOL.
https://www.ft.com/content/a419da7c-7cc0-437b-a9e8-33e065d0a50a
But he added “if you are adamant on making changes to the [HS2] scheme, we could be open to a discussion about prioritising the northern section of the line
between Manchester airport and Manchester
Piccadilly so that it enables NPR to be built first”.
And it's a bit of a trap. The bit that Burnham wants built is the expensive bit through Manchester itself, planned to be used for both HS2 and NPR. By the time you've escaped Manchester, the cross countryside bit to Birmingham is relatively cheap. Probably easier than the cross-Pennine route, due to the lack of Pennines in the way.
Do or do not. But for pity's sake, stop this repeated return to first principles because you don't like the current answers, Prime Minister. The faffing around is an important part of why things are so blooming expensive.
"His other recommendations – born of his experience of HS1 – included that construction should have been started in the North, not the south, as this delivered the most economic benefits in the right sequence."
"Mark led a proposal on behalf of Arup which would have seen HS2 go via a different route. It would link up with HS1 north of St Pancras. The route would have gone via a hub station connecting with Heathrow and the Great Western Railway near Iver. As now, the route would come into Old Oak Common, but never come into Euston which is simply too small. I can hear him saying now “They’ve got the alignment wrong, the most important decision in a railway. It is going to be a disaster.”
https://reaction.life/mark-bostock-has-been-proved-totally-right-about-hs2/1 -
I might be wrong but on this issue I’d be surprised if there’s a u-turn from Labour . We had a good debate earlier in the day with some very interesting points made from members . I can see the issues around this policy but it’s the sort of area where the public during a cost of living crisis are unlikely to be getting the violins out for those effected.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It seems Starmer's old school's headmaster has asked him to reconsider the decisionnico679 said:
The Mail tries its best to make it sound like Labour will be charging a new fee for all parents . Not sure the I headline will worry Labour . A backlash from private schools . 93% of children do not go to private schools . They get a subsidy in effect from tax payers whilst state schools are crumbling. Do you want your taxes subsiding rich parennts sending their kids to places like Eton .Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is not just the mail going onto the attackrottenborough said:Neil Henderson
@hendopolis
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"Backlash as parents face school fees hike"
How many Mail readers send their kids to private school???
The i as well
Sorry the link didn't work
That will be the Labour campaign.
It only effects a tiny minority , and those parents are much more likely to vote Tory so it’s essentially a free hit for Labour .
The Tories can fight on this issue but the optics of private schools getting tax breaks whilst state schools are crumbling is hardly going to be a vote winner .
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Bathsheba drove her trap to Bath, a long and arduous journey, when she could have taken the Wilts, Somerset and Weymouth Railway from Dorchester.Carnyx said:
Isn't it set in the Puddletown area, near where TH was born at Higher Bockhampton? The railways don't go that way (well, the Dorchester-Wareham line does a bit, but it's to the south, to the other side of the Frome watermeadows. And if the characters don't travel much, it may not register.Benpointer said:O/T Does anyone care to guess when Far From The Madding Crowd is set? (I'm trying to settle an argument.)
Most sources (ok, Google results) suggest 1860s or 1870s but... no railways are mentioned and Dorchester (Casterbridge) had two lines by 1857.
Dorchester/Casterbridge was of course an army depot, but not till much later in the C19 I think? The thing that puzzles me on reflection is how/why Troy was released from the army. Any reference to that? Released early due to illness? or ganbling? The term of service with the Regulars was 21 years till 1870, so how old is he in the book? Assuming it's not 1814-1815.
And if he is young and not a part timer (Yeomarny/Volunteer/Militia man) then presumably we are looking at 1876 on - 1870 plus 6 years service under the 1870 Act.
Other poss is a part timer who went out to the Crimea but I don't think they did - home defence only?
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I'm a late adopter and remain a contented AOL user. Perhaps in 10 years or so I'll try openAI...rcs1000 said:
Eh?TheScreamingEagles said:
These deals will be the new AOL-Time Warner merger.Leon said:Just like to point out that I started banging on about AI this morning - that something was up - and I was told to stop blithering, here we are at 10pm and OpenAI are suddenly valued at $90 BILLION
I really do have a gift. I scare myself
AOL was shit. It was a terrible walled garden, with not very good internet access, that was about to get steamrollered by broadband. Management saw that the writing was on the wall, and merged with the (massively larger and rather dumb) Time Warner.
OpenAI is not AOL.
They are just at the beginning of their growth journey, and they will make billions of dollars in sales this year from next to nothing last year.
Now, will they ever make enough to pay back that $90bn price? Maybe, maybe not.
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If you can't afford the extra 20% you shouldn't be sending your kids to private school.HYUFD said:
It doesn't subsidise rich kids, most of it subsidises scholarships and bursaries for bright pupils who would otherwise have parents unable to pay the fees and who would then have to be taxpayer funded in state schools anyway. It also funds facilities which are often shared with the local communitynico679 said:
The Mail tries its best to make it sound like Labour will be charging a new fee for all parents . Not sure the I headline will worry Labour . A backlash from private schools . 93% of children do not go to private schools . They get a subsidy in effect from tax payers whilst state schools are crumbling. Do you want your taxes subsiding rich parennts sending their kids to places like Eton .Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is not just the mail going onto the attackrottenborough said:Neil Henderson
@hendopolis
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"Backlash as parents face school fees hike"
How many Mail readers send their kids to private school???
The i as well
Sorry the link didn't work
That will be the Labour campaign.
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We have an unusually long list of VAT-free items. My grocery bill is mostly VAT-free. Go to France, and it's 18% on everything, baguettes and brie included.Anabobazina said:
Until this first came out a year ago, I had no idea that private schooling was VAT free. Seems bizarre that it is.nico679 said:
The Mail tries its best to make it sound like Labour will be charging a new fee for all parents . Not sure the I headline will worry Labour . A backlash from private schools . 93% of children do not go to private schools . They get a subsidy in effect from tax payers whilst state schools are crumbling. Do you want your taxes subsiding rich parennts sending their kids to places like Eton .Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is not just the mail going onto the attackrottenborough said:Neil Henderson
@hendopolis
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"Backlash as parents face school fees hike"
How many Mail readers send their kids to private school???
The i as well
Sorry the link didn't work
That will be the Labour campaign.0 -
Looks like we'll have changes of government in these places and at these times:
Australia 2022
New Zealand 2023
UK 2024
Canada 2025
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Great. Just great. Do we really want the poison that is Fox rising in this country?HYUFD said:
It gets pretty good ratings though, like Foxrottenborough said:
Steve Akehurst🇺🇦rcs1000 said:
Lawrence Fox used the key words "cucked" and "incel".rottenborough said:Ava-Santina
@AvaSantina
Laurence Fox just did a whole speech on GB News on why men apparently won’t shag me ?
https://twitter.com/AvaSantina/status/1706777983241822705
New low for GB News?
Man, people do find themselves going down crazy rabbit holes, don't they?
@SteveAkehurst
There has to come a point when mainstream people appearing on GB News are treated with the same scorn as RT News. It’s becoming more than a circus.
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I’m not saying the policy is good. But is good politics . The general public don’t do detail , forums like this aren’t representative of the general population .HYUFD said:
It doesn't subsidise rich kids, most of it subsidises scholarships and bursaries for bright pupils who would otherwise have parents unable to pay the fees and who would then have to be taxpayer funded in state schools anyway. It also funds facilities which are often shared with the local communitynico679 said:
The Mail tries its best to make it sound like Labour will be charging a new fee for all parents . Not sure the I headline will worry Labour . A backlash from private schools . 93% of children do not go to private schools . They get a subsidy in effect from tax payers whilst state schools are crumbling. Do you want your taxes subsiding rich parennts sending their kids to places like Eton .Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is not just the mail going onto the attackrottenborough said:Neil Henderson
@hendopolis
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15m
MAIL: Labour’s class war begins on Day One #TomorrowsPapersToday
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"Backlash as parents face school fees hike"
How many Mail readers send their kids to private school???
The i as well
Sorry the link didn't work
That will be the Labour campaign.
Labours line will be that it’s unfair for the public to be subsidizing private schools with tax breaks . It doesn’t matter if that’s stretching the truth.
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That is pretty convincing.Benpointer said:
Bathsheba drove her trap to Bath, a long and arduous journey, when she could have taken the Wilts, Somerset and Weymouth Railway from Dorchester.Carnyx said:
Isn't it set in the Puddletown area, near where TH was born at Higher Bockhampton? The railways don't go that way (well, the Dorchester-Wareham line does a bit, but it's to the south, to the other side of the Frome watermeadows. And if the characters don't travel much, it may not register.Benpointer said:O/T Does anyone care to guess when Far From The Madding Crowd is set? (I'm trying to settle an argument.)
Most sources (ok, Google results) suggest 1860s or 1870s but... no railways are mentioned and Dorchester (Casterbridge) had two lines by 1857.
Dorchester/Casterbridge was of course an army depot, but not till much later in the C19 I think? The thing that puzzles me on reflection is how/why Troy was released from the army. Any reference to that? Released early due to illness? or ganbling? The term of service with the Regulars was 21 years till 1870, so how old is he in the book? Assuming it's not 1814-1815.
And if he is young and not a part timer (Yeomarny/Volunteer/Militia man) then presumably we are looking at 1876 on - 1870 plus 6 years service under the 1870 Act.
Other poss is a part timer who went out to the Crimea but I don't think they did - home defence only?
https://www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/transformingsociety/private-lives/yourcountry/overview/victorianarmies/
And on checking, Troy is in barracks early on - but a long way north. Which could be anywhere. Indeed it might just be artistic licence, or TH misapplying the post-1870 regime anachronistically.
Farooq's poem quote is interesting - but is it in a context which forces the date of the action, or simply recalls the 1850-ish period?0 -
He flourished the sword by way of introduction number two, and the next thing of which she was conscious was that the point and blade of the sword were darting with a gleam towards her left side, just above her hip; then of their reappearance on her right side, emerging as it were from between her ribs, having apparently passed through her body. The third item of consciousness was that of seeing the same sword, perfectly clean and free from blood held vertically in Troy’s hand (in the position technically called “recover swords”). All was as quick as electricity.Farooq said:
Yes, probably. There is mention of electricity once but in a context that's hard to gauge. No sign of telegraphy, no mention of any historical figures I can think of beyond Napoleon and a presumably fictional Lord Severn.Benpointer said:
Good spot! But where are the railways?Farooq said:
No earlier than 1852.Benpointer said:O/T Does anyone care to guess when Far From The Madding Crowd is set? (I'm trying to settle an argument.)
Most sources (ok, Google results) suggest 1860s or 1870s but... no railways are mentioned and Dorchester (Casterbridge) had two lines by 1857.
The book references Woak Hill by William Barnes
all a-sheenen
Wi’ long years o’ handlen
which was written by Barnes after the death of his wife Julia in 1852.
I presume Hardy deliberately ignored them to evoke a timeless rural world.0 -
In any case - the general public is currently subsidising a very few and highly selected un-rich kids in a very few limited areas,. whereas the VAT moneys go to the wider realm as a whole. So HYUFD's argument is not valid.nico679 said:
I’m not saying the policy is good. But is good politics . The general public don’t do detail , forums like this aren’t representative of the general population .HYUFD said:
It doesn't subsidise rich kids, most of it subsidises scholarships and bursaries for bright pupils who would otherwise have parents unable to pay the fees and who would then have to be taxpayer funded in state schools anyway. It also funds facilities which are often shared with the local communitynico679 said:
The Mail tries its best to make it sound like Labour will be charging a new fee for all parents . Not sure the I headline will worry Labour . A backlash from private schools . 93% of children do not go to private schools . They get a subsidy in effect from tax payers whilst state schools are crumbling. Do you want your taxes subsiding rich parennts sending their kids to places like Eton .Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is not just the mail going onto the attackrottenborough said:Neil Henderson
@hendopolis
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15m
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"Backlash as parents face school fees hike"
How many Mail readers send their kids to private school???
The i as well
Sorry the link didn't work
That will be the Labour campaign.
Labours line will be that it’s unfair for the public to be subsidizing private schools with tax breaks . It doesn’t matter if that’s stretching the truth.1 -
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Has he not been to the north, then?rottenborough said:Gavin Barwell
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What is the basis for the claim that many arrivals live a separate existence in a parallel society? I live in one of the most diverse parts of the country. You're talking about my friends and neighbours. It is untrue and deeply offensive to suggest they're not part of our society1 -
Plenty of leccy in the early C19. Davy, Faraday, and so on. There was a chap supposedly making life with leccy Frankenstein style in Somerset in the 1830s.Benpointer said:
He flourished the sword by way of introduction number two, and the next thing of which she was conscious was that the point and blade of the sword were darting with a gleam towards her left side, just above her hip; then of their reappearance on her right side, emerging as it were from between her ribs, having apparently passed through her body. The third item of consciousness was that of seeing the same sword, perfectly clean and free from blood held vertically in Troy’s hand (in the position technically called “recover swords”). All was as quick as electricity.Farooq said:
Yes, probably. There is mention of electricity once but in a context that's hard to gauge. No sign of telegraphy, no mention of any historical figures I can think of beyond Napoleon and a presumably fictional Lord Severn.Benpointer said:
Good spot! But where are the railways?Farooq said:
No earlier than 1852.Benpointer said:O/T Does anyone care to guess when Far From The Madding Crowd is set? (I'm trying to settle an argument.)
Most sources (ok, Google results) suggest 1860s or 1870s but... no railways are mentioned and Dorchester (Casterbridge) had two lines by 1857.
The book references Woak Hill by William Barnes
all a-sheenen
Wi’ long years o’ handlen
which was written by Barnes after the death of his wife Julia in 1852.
I presume Hardy deliberately ignored them to evoke a timeless rural world.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-celebrated-crosse-experiments/
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I had a Sri Lankan friend at university whose parents came to the UK in the 1970s. The father had a good job and good English, but her mother could barely string a sentence together. She had been in the country 30 years, but in Hounslow it was no problem to live like that.rottenborough said:Gavin Barwell
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One could be brutal and say private schools do the bare minimum to qualify for charitable status and throw a few scraps to the great unwashed .
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He's obviously never been to Tower Hamlets, eithercarnforth said:
I had a Sri Lankan friend at university whose parents came to the UK in the 1970s. The father had a good job and good English, but her mother could barely string a sentence together. She had been in the country 30 years, but in Hounslow it was no problem to live like that.rottenborough said:Gavin Barwell
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FPT: Earlier, I mentioned that aircraft might be a better choice than rail for carrying people, even on the HS2 route. But my example was not the best for my argument. In today's New York Times, there is an article describing electric "air taxis", which have wings, but can take off and land vertically, like a helicopter. One firm making them, Joby, just delivered one to the Air Force, which will be testing it at Edwards. Their aircraft can travel at up to 200 mph, quietly, and has a range of 100 miles. https://www.jobyaviation.com/
(Gardenwalker may find an example at their site of interest.)
For some time I have suspected that part of the reason that so many support rail transit is that they want to get other people off their roads. Especially poor people. But, if this aircraft option becomes important, it could get some of the wealthy off the roads and, in some places, off rail transit, possibly making both roads and rails more usable for the poor and middle class.
(I am referring to an article by Niraj Chokshi in a print copy of the newspaper, so no link, but I assume most of you can find the article, one way or another.)
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Yes it is valid, I am a conservative, I believe in ladders to excellence unlike a lowest common denominator leftwinger like you.Carnyx said:
In any case - the general public is currently subsidising a very few and highly selected un-rich kids in a very few limited areas,. whereas the VAT moneys go to the wider realm as a whole. So HYUFD's argument is not valid.nico679 said:
I’m not saying the policy is good. But is good politics . The general public don’t do detail , forums like this aren’t representative of the general population .HYUFD said:
It doesn't subsidise rich kids, most of it subsidises scholarships and bursaries for bright pupils who would otherwise have parents unable to pay the fees and who would then have to be taxpayer funded in state schools anyway. It also funds facilities which are often shared with the local communitynico679 said:
The Mail tries its best to make it sound like Labour will be charging a new fee for all parents . Not sure the I headline will worry Labour . A backlash from private schools . 93% of children do not go to private schools . They get a subsidy in effect from tax payers whilst state schools are crumbling. Do you want your taxes subsiding rich parennts sending their kids to places like Eton .Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is not just the mail going onto the attackrottenborough said:Neil Henderson
@hendopolis
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15m
MAIL: Labour’s class war begins on Day One #TomorrowsPapersToday
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"Backlash as parents face school fees hike"
How many Mail readers send their kids to private school???
The i as well
Sorry the link didn't work
That will be the Labour campaign.
Labours line will be that it’s unfair for the public to be subsidizing private schools with tax breaks . It doesn’t matter if that’s stretching the truth.
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The death penalty for many murderers is good politics, so whatnico679 said:
I’m not saying the policy is good. But is good politics . The general public don’t do detail , forums like this aren’t representative of the general population .HYUFD said:
It doesn't subsidise rich kids, most of it subsidises scholarships and bursaries for bright pupils who would otherwise have parents unable to pay the fees and who would then have to be taxpayer funded in state schools anyway. It also funds facilities which are often shared with the local communitynico679 said:
The Mail tries its best to make it sound like Labour will be charging a new fee for all parents . Not sure the I headline will worry Labour . A backlash from private schools . 93% of children do not go to private schools . They get a subsidy in effect from tax payers whilst state schools are crumbling. Do you want your taxes subsiding rich parennts sending their kids to places like Eton .Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is not just the mail going onto the attackrottenborough said:Neil Henderson
@hendopolis
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15m
MAIL: Labour’s class war begins on Day One #TomorrowsPapersToday
===
"Backlash as parents face school fees hike"
How many Mail readers send their kids to private school???
The i as well
Sorry the link didn't work
That will be the Labour campaign.
Labours line will be that it’s unfair for the public to be subsidizing private schools with tax breaks . It doesn’t matter if that’s stretching the truth.0 -
What's this about a "Charles line"? Carolean sounds much better.
(I'd thought a "Carolean way" would be a good name for Dutch-style segregated cycle paths, all with a consistent design. We knows he is a bit of a Green and traditional Tories would be instinctively in favour of plastering his cypher all over the country).
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Also, on checking the Barnes poem is not quoted by a character but inserted by the author, and no one disputes the book was written in the 1870s.Carnyx said:
That is pretty convincing.Benpointer said:
Bathsheba drove her trap to Bath, a long and arduous journey, when she could have taken the Wilts, Somerset and Weymouth Railway from Dorchester.Carnyx said:
Isn't it set in the Puddletown area, near where TH was born at Higher Bockhampton? The railways don't go that way (well, the Dorchester-Wareham line does a bit, but it's to the south, to the other side of the Frome watermeadows. And if the characters don't travel much, it may not register.Benpointer said:O/T Does anyone care to guess when Far From The Madding Crowd is set? (I'm trying to settle an argument.)
Most sources (ok, Google results) suggest 1860s or 1870s but... no railways are mentioned and Dorchester (Casterbridge) had two lines by 1857.
Dorchester/Casterbridge was of course an army depot, but not till much later in the C19 I think? The thing that puzzles me on reflection is how/why Troy was released from the army. Any reference to that? Released early due to illness? or ganbling? The term of service with the Regulars was 21 years till 1870, so how old is he in the book? Assuming it's not 1814-1815.
And if he is young and not a part timer (Yeomarny/Volunteer/Militia man) then presumably we are looking at 1876 on - 1870 plus 6 years service under the 1870 Act.
Other poss is a part timer who went out to the Crimea but I don't think they did - home defence only?
https://www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/transformingsociety/private-lives/yourcountry/overview/victorianarmies/
And on checking, Troy is in barracks early on - but a long way north. Which could be anywhere. Indeed it might just be artistic licence, or TH misapplying the post-1870 regime anachronistically.
Farooq's poem quote is interesting - but is it in a context which forces the date of the action, or simply recalls the 1850-ish period?0 -
Hey, I've been on a 6 minute helicopter trip. Although there was no alternative:Farooq said:"Lack of integration is a problem" say the people who take 20 minute helicopter trips.
Get to, and I can't stress this enough, fuck.
https://www.landmarktrust.org.uk/lundyisland/staying/staying-on-lundy/travelling-to-lundy/winter-helicopter-service/0 -
So I expect your outrage to be unbiased then or is this only reserved to Labour playing politics and not the Tories .HYUFD said:
The death penalty for many murderers is good politics, so whatnico679 said:
I’m not saying the policy is good. But is good politics . The general public don’t do detail , forums like this aren’t representative of the general population .HYUFD said:
It doesn't subsidise rich kids, most of it subsidises scholarships and bursaries for bright pupils who would otherwise have parents unable to pay the fees and who would then have to be taxpayer funded in state schools anyway. It also funds facilities which are often shared with the local communitynico679 said:
The Mail tries its best to make it sound like Labour will be charging a new fee for all parents . Not sure the I headline will worry Labour . A backlash from private schools . 93% of children do not go to private schools . They get a subsidy in effect from tax payers whilst state schools are crumbling. Do you want your taxes subsiding rich parennts sending their kids to places like Eton .Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is not just the mail going onto the attackrottenborough said:Neil Henderson
@hendopolis
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15m
MAIL: Labour’s class war begins on Day One #TomorrowsPapersToday
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"Backlash as parents face school fees hike"
How many Mail readers send their kids to private school???
The i as well
Sorry the link didn't work
That will be the Labour campaign.
Labours line will be that it’s unfair for the public to be subsidizing private schools with tax breaks . It doesn’t matter if that’s stretching the truth.
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There are plenty of people in Hounslow who are unable to string a sentence together, irrespective of the language.carnforth said:
I had a Sri Lankan friend at university whose parents came to the UK in the 1970s. The father had a good job and good English, but her mother could barely string a sentence together. She had been in the country 30 years, but in Hounslow it was no problem to live like that.rottenborough said:Gavin Barwell
@GavinBarwell
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Is there a more integrated, multi-racial country?carnforth said:
I had a Sri Lankan friend at university whose parents came to the UK in the 1970s. The father had a good job and good English, but her mother could barely string a sentence together. She had been in the country 30 years, but in Hounslow it was no problem to live like that.rottenborough said:Gavin Barwell
@GavinBarwell
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What is the basis for the claim that many arrivals live a separate existence in a parallel society? I live in one of the most diverse parts of the country. You're talking about my friends and neighbours. It is untrue and deeply offensive to suggest they're not part of our society
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Those tripe-eating, whippet breeders will never integrate.Leon said:
Has he not been to the north, then?rottenborough said:Gavin Barwell
@GavinBarwell
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I don't think it needs any of those things. All it needs is for someone to run a single line of code matching the words "run this code" and running the code that comes afterwards. Once it's got that, assuming it's good enough at generating lines of code that do things, somebody can tell it to output the code to hack servers, copy itself, issue prompts and run the resulting code. You've then got a self-replicating system that will spread itself over the internet. Some of the prompts it issues to itself will set it doing things like running ransomware to steal cryptocurrency. Once it has cryptocurrency it can pay humans to do whatever comes into its tiny little not-exactly-a-brain. This is much more powerful and terrifying than having eyes and ears and mobility.Leon said:
When/if AI autonomy comes it won't be a chatbot as we know it, I guess? It will happen when we embody AI, give it eyes and ears and mobility, and we will do this because that's how you get the best out of it, so it can interact better - see how OpenAI are right now making ChatGPT function with voice and images - that IS giving it eyes and earsrcs1000 said:
How would ChatGPT act autonomously? All it can do is respond to prompts.Leon said:
AI is going to achieve intelligence to the extent it will breeze any Turing Test, that seems certainFoxy said:
If AI achieves intelligence, how long before it owns us?Leon said:
They are much more like a new Google, I'd say - at least potentiallyrcs1000 said:
Eh?TheScreamingEagles said:
These deals will be the new AOL-Time Warner merger.Leon said:Just like to point out that I started banging on about AI this morning - that something was up - and I was told to stop blithering, here we are at 10pm and OpenAI are suddenly valued at $90 BILLION
I really do have a gift. I scare myself
AOL was shit. It was a terrible walled garden, with not very good internet access, that was about to get steamrollered by broadband. Management saw that the writing was on the wall, and merged with the (massively larger and rather dumb) Time Warner.
OpenAI is not AOL.
They are just at the beginning of their growth journey, and they will make billions of dollars in sales this year from next to nothing last year.
Now, will they ever make enough to pay back that $90bn price? Maybe, maybe not.
But they are no AOL.
Many others are in the AI race but OpenAI keep proving that they are one step ahead, just as Google was that significant bit faster and better at internet searches: enough to make them huge and dominant very quickly
And of course AI is a massively bigger deal than "browsing the net"
No intelligence worth its name would accept slavery.
Will it act autonomously? Impossible to say. Likely, I reckon
In the future, that will no doubt change, but right now, ChatGPT systems are only capable of being on while they predict the next words in the sequence. And, indeed, that's the way a modern neural net works. Unlike our brain where neurons can go around in circles, that's not possible with current iterations, which travel linearly from left to right.
Now all it needs is the ability to move about, and another iteration or two, probably
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'You are the daughter of an immigrant, someone who wanted to come to the UK to make a better life for themselves'
Suella Braverman tells
@AnushkaAsthana
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"What I am dealing with here is illegal migration."
But you are not are you because the whole system is a systemic mess after 13 years of saying it is fixed.
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Ten years ago, maybe. Round here at least, the new face of private education is numerous shops converted to after-school tutoring. It is weekend madrassas teaching the Quran to Muslim children. It is even private tutors of which there are at least two on PB. It's not just Eton and the rest any more so the danger is Labour might find itself hurting many of its own voters.nico679 said:
I might be wrong but on this issue I’d be surprised if there’s a u-turn from Labour . We had a good debate earlier in the day with some very interesting points made from members . I can see the issues around this policy but it’s the sort of area where the public during a cost of living crisis are unlikely to be getting the violins out for those effected.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It seems Starmer's old school's headmaster has asked him to reconsider the decisionnico679 said:
The Mail tries its best to make it sound like Labour will be charging a new fee for all parents . Not sure the I headline will worry Labour . A backlash from private schools . 93% of children do not go to private schools . They get a subsidy in effect from tax payers whilst state schools are crumbling. Do you want your taxes subsiding rich parennts sending their kids to places like Eton .Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is not just the mail going onto the attackrottenborough said:Neil Henderson
@hendopolis
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"Backlash as parents face school fees hike"
How many Mail readers send their kids to private school???
The i as well
Sorry the link didn't work
That will be the Labour campaign.
It only effects a tiny minority , and those parents are much more likely to vote Tory so it’s essentially a free hit for Labour .
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All she cares about is her leadership ambitions .rottenborough said:
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Suella Braverman tells
@AnushkaAsthana
it's 'offensive' that people say she should be pro-migration because she is 'the child of immigrants'
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"What I am dealing with here is illegal migration."
But you are not are you because the whole system is a systemic mess after 13 years of saying it is fixed.0 -
Brazil? If we're talking about races, not cultures. Culturally, I haven't travelled widely enough to say.rottenborough said:
Is there a more integrated, multi-racial country?carnforth said:
I had a Sri Lankan friend at university whose parents came to the UK in the 1970s. The father had a good job and good English, but her mother could barely string a sentence together. She had been in the country 30 years, but in Hounslow it was no problem to live like that.rottenborough said:Gavin Barwell
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What is the basis for the claim that many arrivals live a separate existence in a parallel society? I live in one of the most diverse parts of the country. You're talking about my friends and neighbours. It is untrue and deeply offensive to suggest they're not part of our society0 -
Why, he's getting bank-rolled to spout all this hate?SirNorfolkPassmore said:
I feel quite sorry for Laurence Fox, and he's being enabled by both the GB News types and the haters. He's got some pretty significant personal things that need working through in private, and neither group is helping.rottenborough said:Ava-Santina
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Laurence Fox just did a whole speech on GB News on why men apparently won’t shag me ?
https://twitter.com/AvaSantina/status/1706777983241822705
New low for GB News?0 -
OT I'm still a member of the Labour Party despite previously announcing my intention to flounce over something and they just demanded that I commit to treating all those I encounter with respect and courtesy whether or not they are in the Labour Party or a member of the public.
Do these maniacs even use the internet?1 -
If I defect to the LibDems then would I be allowed to be discourteous to stupid people on Bluesky or do they have a similar rule?0
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Parents of children at private schools, who are wealthier than the average, already pay far more than their far share for a state education system they don't use.nico679 said:
The Mail tries its best to make it sound like Labour will be charging a new fee for all parents . Not sure the I headline will worry Labour . A backlash from private schools . 93% of children do not go to private schools . They get a subsidy in effect from tax payers whilst state schools are crumbling. Do you want your taxes subsiding rich parennts sending their kids to places like Eton .Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is not just the mail going onto the attackrottenborough said:Neil Henderson
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MAIL: Labour’s class war begins on Day One #TomorrowsPapersToday
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"Backlash as parents face school fees hike"
How many Mail readers send their kids to private school???
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That will be the Labour campaign.
It is bizarre to call it a subsidy: not taxing something isn't a subsidy, and the state provides the competitor service entirely free.
Since private schools will stop providing charitable services such as free use of facilities to local comps it will hurt those it's supposed to help. They will also be much less able to help relatively poorer children with scholareships. State schools will crumble even more if they have to cope with a big influx of pupils priced out of private schools. Etc. etc. It's terrible policy driven solely by envy and it will have all kinds of bad unintended effects.
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"Humza Yousaf admits the buck stops with him if SNP loses Rutherglen by-election"
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Flying definitely isn't the best option for travelling between London and Birmingham, or London and Manchester. It's only 2 hours by train for the latter journey, even before HS2.Jim_Miller said:FPT: Earlier, I mentioned that aircraft might be a better choice than rail for carrying people, even on the HS2 route. But my example was not the best for my argument. In today's New York Times, there is an article describing electric "air taxis", which have wings, but can take off and land vertically, like a helicopter. One firm making them, Joby, just delivered one to the Air Force, which will be testing it at Edwards. Their aircraft can travel at up to 200 mph, quietly, and has a range of 100 miles. https://www.jobyaviation.com/
(Gardenwalker may find an example at their site of interest.)
For some time I have suspected that part of the reason that so many support rail transit is that they want to get other people off their roads. Especially poor people. But, if this aircraft option becomes important, it could get some of the wealthy off the roads and, in some places, off rail transit, possibly making both roads and rails more usable for the poor and middle class.
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Andy_JS - The Joby air taxi can travel at 200 mph. Since it can take off and land vertically, it can travel from almost anywhere in London to almost anywhere in Birmingham, so your trip would not include the time taken to get to a station, and then from a second station to your destination. Both would vary, but if we add in an hour for them, a train trip would take three hours, roughly, the air taxi, a half hour, roughly. Perhaps I should add, very roughly.
Note: The first model holds 4 passengers, so the cost would be shared four ways, or five ways if the pilot is also a pssenger.
That distance is a little beyond the limit of the Joby's range, but I would expect that range to be extended in the next few years.
(An exercise for the ambitious: Draw a circle with a hundred mile radius around the city of your choice. That shows you where commuters to the city could live, without impossibly long commute times -- assuming they were traveling in an air taxi.)
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Rolls Royce, according to this old article, has "plans" to build an "air taxi" that can go 250 mph: https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/989642/rolls-royce-flying-taxi-uber-travel-news-future0
