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My recollection is that you can wear anything decent in the Commons (I remember Bernie Grant once turning up in a flowing robe) but will only be called to speak if you are wearing a jacket and tie as a bloke, or something similarly dull as a woman. People would often rush in for a vote wearing shorts from a session in the gym (which tells you something about how closely some MPs follow debates). Was Harman called to to speak? If not, no problem.Plato said:I was under the impression that HoC dress rules insisted a man wore a tie - I find the notion that Ms Harman could wear a T-shirt very odd.
Perhaps we should insist she wears a tie for the sake of equality?Morris_Dancer said:Incidentally, Harman should not have been permitted to wear a t-shirt to PMQs.
Just on a point of fact, you underestimate the number of people completely out of touch with these things. If I wanted to obtain drugs, I wouldn't have the faintest idea how to go about it - perhaps I'd ask SeanT or your good self for advice.Gaius said:
Dont be daft, anybody wanting drugs can always be able to find a supply.PAW said:"Consider this, in Vietnam almost all front line troops took drugs but when they got home 95% stopped for good." - because the drugs were illegal?
It's a general rule - never assume that everyone is like yourself and the people you know. You know them partly because they're like yourself, so they're a biased sample. For example, I know dozens of people quite well, only one of whom (my uncle, a UKIP voter) wants to withdraw from the EU. I've heard rumours that this is not entirely typical.
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I am not Labour but for me this role should be done by a person or persons (ideally) with a genuine expertise in policing and crime and not a career politician . It seems an expert rolefelix said:
As opposed to the totally unrepresentative and unelected bodies they replaced. Typical Labour - opposing democracy here!state_go_away said:
yes I agree they are a nonsense and costly exercise . They are also probably a bit dangerous in terms of polarising power in one personSandyRentool said:
Well we know the LDs are boycotting the poll, so chances are Nick Clegg hasn't made it to the polling station yet.state_go_away said:anyone voted yet in the South Yorkshire PCC election?
Incidentally, the LDs are part of the government that foisted PCCs and these silly elections onto us, and now they are boycotting them! Typical nonsense from the pot-head party.0 -
In Spain the solstices and equinoxes mark the start of seasons - hence winter begins December 23rd, etc.OblitusSumMe said:
This depends on how you define Autumn.SandyRentool said:If we legalise drugs, will it give a boost to GDP?
Expect a surprise announcement in the Autumn* Statement
*December isn't in Autumn
I did once see a definition of Autumn where it was October, November and December. This was in the context of Arctic sea-ice, where the temperature of the ocean is the determining factor, and the greater thermal inertia of the oceans mean that you would expect the seasons to be delayed compared to a land-based perspective.
I favour Hubert Lamb's definition of the seasons, which is based on an analysis of weather patterns. He's not quite as pessimistic as made out, though, as he gives an alternative naming of his five seasons that has two summer seasons, rather than the two winter seasons used in my link above.
However, in either case he has winter starting on 20th November, earlier than the meteorological standard.0 -
A Tory lead wouldn't really be a surprise so I'm guessing its not that.Scott_P said:@benatipsosmori: Wow. Once a year or less we do a poll that genuinely surprises me and has big immediate implications. Out later!
I think hope this may well be the fabled Scottish opinion poll
SNP 40
Lab 30
Con 20
LD 5
Or so would be my guess.
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That is the meteorological standard, as defined by the WMO, but there are always people who vary from standards for one reason or another. According to some, Northern Hemisphere winter starts on this Saturday, and for the UK that could work out spot on for this year.state_go_away said:
Autumn is September ,October and November imho.OblitusSumMe said:
This depends on how you define Autumn.SandyRentool said:If we legalise drugs, will it give a boost to GDP?
Expect a surprise announcement in the Autumn* Statement
*December isn't in Autumn
I did once see a definition of Autumn where it was October, November and December. This was in the context of Arctic sea-ice, where the temperature of the ocean is the determining factor, and the greater thermal inertia of the oceans mean that you would expect the seasons to be delayed compared to a land-based perspective.
I favour Hubert Lamb's definition of the seasons, which is based on an analysis of weather patterns. He's not quite as pessimistic as made out, though, as he gives an alternative naming of his five seasons that has two summer seasons, rather than the two winter seasons used in my link above.
However, in either case he has winter starting on 20th November, earlier than the meteorological standard.
Tomorrow will see the last hurrah for warm weather this year, and it will become markedly colder in the following week.0 -
Clearly nonsense for the UK if you think about it.Sunil_Prasannan said:
If June 21st is Mid-Summer, and Dec 21st is Mid-Winter, than Mid-Autumn would be Sep 21st and Mid-Spring would be March 21stOblitusSumMe said:
This depends on how you define Autumn.SandyRentool said:If we legalise drugs, will it give a boost to GDP?
Expect a surprise announcement in the Autumn* Statement
*December isn't in Autumn
I did once see a definition of Autumn where it was October, November and December. This was in the context of Arctic sea-ice, where the temperature of the ocean is the determining factor, and the greater thermal inertia of the oceans mean that you would expect the seasons to be delayed compared to a land-based perspective.
I favour Hubert Lamb's definition of the seasons, which is based on an analysis of weather patterns. He's not quite as pessimistic as made out, though, as he gives an alternative naming of his five seasons that has two summer seasons, rather than the two winter seasons used in my link above.
However, in either case he has winter starting on 20th November, earlier than the meteorological standard.0 -
Since an awful lot of the SNP prices have markedly shortened in the last two days, that would be a decent guess I'd say. Someone always knows and someone always tells, as PtP often says.Pulpstar said:
A Tory lead wouldn't really be a surprise so I'm guessing its not that.Scott_P said:@benatipsosmori: Wow. Once a year or less we do a poll that genuinely surprises me and has big immediate implications. Out later!
I think this may well be the fabled Scottish opinion poll
SNP 40
Lab 30
Con 20
LD 5
Or so would be my guess.0 -
But some people regard mid-summer as the first day of summer. "Go figure".Sunil_Prasannan said:
If June 21st is Mid-Summer, and Dec 21st is Mid-Winter, than Mid-Autumn would be Sep 21st and Mid-Spring would be March 21stOblitusSumMe said:
This depends on how you define Autumn.SandyRentool said:If we legalise drugs, will it give a boost to GDP?
Expect a surprise announcement in the Autumn* Statement
*December isn't in Autumn
I did once see a definition of Autumn where it was October, November and December. This was in the context of Arctic sea-ice, where the temperature of the ocean is the determining factor, and the greater thermal inertia of the oceans mean that you would expect the seasons to be delayed compared to a land-based perspective.
I favour Hubert Lamb's definition of the seasons, which is based on an analysis of weather patterns. He's not quite as pessimistic as made out, though, as he gives an alternative naming of his five seasons that has two summer seasons, rather than the two winter seasons used in my link above.
However, in either case he has winter starting on 20th November, earlier than the meteorological standard.0 -
I did not know that (about the standard) and am rather pleased . It makes it nice and tidy as opposed to this wishy washy look at the weather from many diverse viewpoints stuff!!OblitusSumMe said:
That is the meteorological standard, as defined by the WMO, but there are always people who vary from standards for one reason or another. According to some, Northern Hemisphere winter starts on this Saturday, and for the UK that could work out spot on for this year.state_go_away said:
Autumn is September ,October and November imho.OblitusSumMe said:
This depends on how you define Autumn.SandyRentool said:If we legalise drugs, will it give a boost to GDP?
Expect a surprise announcement in the Autumn* Statement
*December isn't in Autumn
I did once see a definition of Autumn where it was October, November and December. This was in the context of Arctic sea-ice, where the temperature of the ocean is the determining factor, and the greater thermal inertia of the oceans mean that you would expect the seasons to be delayed compared to a land-based perspective.
I favour Hubert Lamb's definition of the seasons, which is based on an analysis of weather patterns. He's not quite as pessimistic as made out, though, as he gives an alternative naming of his five seasons that has two summer seasons, rather than the two winter seasons used in my link above.
However, in either case he has winter starting on 20th November, earlier than the meteorological standard.
Tomorrow will see the last hurrah for warm weather this year, and it will become markedly colder in the following week.0 -
That said, Mori last polled in Scotland in 2011.0
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EU Referendum poll from YouGov.
44% out
35% in
"Generally speaking, do you think immigration has a positive or negative impact on Britain?"
+25% / -51%
http://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/10/30/voters-shift-sharply-against-eu-membership/0 -
Felix
Solstice is 21st however agreed0 -
Although having said that, the dates I mentioned are the Astronomical dates, the weather plays catch up for most of the year.SandyRentool said:
But some people regard mid-summer as the first day of summer. "Go figure".Sunil_Prasannan said:
If June 21st is Mid-Summer, and Dec 21st is Mid-Winter, than Mid-Autumn would be Sep 21st and Mid-Spring would be March 21stOblitusSumMe said:
This depends on how you define Autumn.SandyRentool said:If we legalise drugs, will it give a boost to GDP?
Expect a surprise announcement in the Autumn* Statement
*December isn't in Autumn
I did once see a definition of Autumn where it was October, November and December. This was in the context of Arctic sea-ice, where the temperature of the ocean is the determining factor, and the greater thermal inertia of the oceans mean that you would expect the seasons to be delayed compared to a land-based perspective.
I favour Hubert Lamb's definition of the seasons, which is based on an analysis of weather patterns. He's not quite as pessimistic as made out, though, as he gives an alternative naming of his five seasons that has two summer seasons, rather than the two winter seasons used in my link above.
However, in either case he has winter starting on 20th November, earlier than the meteorological standard.0 -
Immediate implications? As in Rochester?Scott_P said:@benatipsosmori: Wow. Once a year or less we do a poll that genuinely surprises me and has big immediate implications. Out later!
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Perhaps. It's a bit more pernicious than that though.Socrates said:
That's because most of the public aren't libertarians, acknowledging that there are knock-on effects to others. There's a far stronger case to be made against prohibition, which hasn't been made, which is that prohibition doesn't reduce drug usage, and causes all sorts of other costs.Casino_Royale said:Very well said. Sadly, I don't see many of our politicians, of any party, willing to stand up and make the libertarian case on this.
Let's say a junior government minister made this case at lunchtime one weekday, in a TV interview spot. First, it would make the BBC news 'Minister says drugs laws should be relaxed'. That evening, he/she would probably be invited for a newsnight/C4 interview. Possibly with a campaigner that disagreed. A few campaign groups would issue a short statement condemning it, but not much more. So far so good.
The next day there'd be opinion and comment in the Sun, and Mail, that'd be very critical. Arguing 'irresponsibility to our kids' and 'criminals let loose on the streets' etc. The soft-left papers position would be more academic but depend upon what party the MP was from. The campaign groups would go into full mobilisation mode, and be all over the airwaves. They would probably call for his/her resignation.
By late afternoon, the government would say it disagrees with the opinion of the errant minister. And it's not government policy. The minister would come under pressure to withdraw and apologise. A normal one would probably qualify their comments at this stage. This wouldn't be good enough for the campaign groups.
On day 3, the letters, phone calls and calls on the government to do something about the minister grow. The minister then either decides to make a 'full apology', withdraw and swing behind the government, or they ignore it. Within a another few days they are told to walk, and resign.
If that's not enough, their card is then marked as far as a significant part of the press are concerned. The campaign groups sure as hell don't forgot it; they will coordinate lobbying against the MP in their constituency. They might face a deselection vote for disloyalty or be branded a maverick forevermore. Meanwhile they lose the media spotlight and profile they had as a minister, and are therefore unable to promote and advocate their case anything like as frequently as before. Far less actively influence it.
Our Westminster system, mainstream media networks and institutionalised lobbying system almost conspire to drown out anyone with an independent voice in a position of power/influence from making their case. Unless they are leader of a party, or the Prime Minister.0 -
Astrologically the first day of winter is 21 Dec so in that regard the government is entirely correct with its billing of the autumn statement0
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... and Bonfire Night becomes a celebration of the start of Winter.Sunil_Prasannan said:
If June 21st is Mid-Summer, and Dec 21st is Mid-Winter, than Mid-Autumn would be Sep 21st and Mid-Spring would be March 21stOblitusSumMe said:
This depends on how you define Autumn.SandyRentool said:If we legalise drugs, will it give a boost to GDP?
Expect a surprise announcement in the Autumn* Statement
*December isn't in Autumn
I did once see a definition of Autumn where it was October, November and December. This was in the context of Arctic sea-ice, where the temperature of the ocean is the determining factor, and the greater thermal inertia of the oceans mean that you would expect the seasons to be delayed compared to a land-based perspective.
I favour Hubert Lamb's definition of the seasons, which is based on an analysis of weather patterns. He's not quite as pessimistic as made out, though, as he gives an alternative naming of his five seasons that has two summer seasons, rather than the two winter seasons used in my link above.
However, in either case he has winter starting on 20th November, earlier than the meteorological standard.
The problem there, though, is that the record warmest temperature in the UK - 38.5C on 10th August 2003 - would on that system be in UK Autumn, rather than Summer.0 -
No, it varies according to leap years and the like.Moses_ said:Felix
Solstice is 21st however agreed
The solstice is actually a moment rather than a day, it being when the sun ceases to move north or south and starts returning to the equator. The 'longest day' explanation makes no sense if you think about a person standing on (or right next to) the international dateline.0 -
That's because Scottish politics had been as volatile as cold porridge for yonks.antifrank said:That said, Mori last polled in Scotland in 2011.
Also the Indy Ref was all anyone (Quite rightly) cared about in relation to Scotland from now till then. Now it is over hopefully there are some Westminster VI polls.0 -
I don't think IPSOS Mori have done any constituency polls since the 2010 election. But they did do them then.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Immediate implications? As in Rochester?Scott_P said:@benatipsosmori: Wow. Once a year or less we do a poll that genuinely surprises me and has big immediate implications. Out later!
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Then I presume you oppose the old system where appointees were party political hacks with no accountability to the public they are meant to serve. Do the general public no have a right to a democratic choice?state_go_away said:
I am not Labour but for me this role should be done by a person or persons (ideally) with a genuine expertise in policing and crime and not a career politician . It seems an expert rolefelix said:
As opposed to the totally unrepresentative and unelected bodies they replaced. Typical Labour - opposing democracy here!state_go_away said:
yes I agree they are a nonsense and costly exercise . They are also probably a bit dangerous in terms of polarising power in one personSandyRentool said:
Well we know the LDs are boycotting the poll, so chances are Nick Clegg hasn't made it to the polling station yet.state_go_away said:anyone voted yet in the South Yorkshire PCC election?
Incidentally, the LDs are part of the government that foisted PCCs and these silly elections onto us, and now they are boycotting them! Typical nonsense from the pot-head party.0 -
I am so sorry for opening up this "when are the seasons" can of worms. Can we return to the safe topic of whether or not Middlesbrough is in Yorkshire?0
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Cannabis is harmless in some ways but in many ways destroys ambition, triggers serious mental health problems and makes you very dull company. Notable how many of the recent Islamist rogue killers have had mental health problems and drug use.Plato said:I was in social set that used them a lot - especially speed/LSD. After giving cannabis a reluctant try as I find stoners very dull company - and knowing the odd effect on me - I had no trouble in saying No Thanks. I wasn't seen as puritanical, just someone who didn't feel better and no one tried to persuade me.
I don't smoke either - just doesn't appeal. I'd like to have tried Ecstasy, but was too chicken at the time. Amyl nitrate [think that was it] was very popular in my teens. Now that really does make me horny and reckless, so I wouldn't go anywhere near it again.SimonStClare said:
Ditto - However, I’m always fascinated by these druggy discussions that crop up on PB from time to time, but rarely contribute as I have no personal or social anecdotal stories to add.AndyJS said:
Never used any recreational drugs. Might have done as a teenager if someone had offered me some.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:I wonder how many PBers have ever used drugs?
With the notable exception of Sean T who has been remarkably open about his past.
I got through plenty of class a's during my raving days of 88-96.
After that was a daily weed smoker until early last year when I finally quit.
I must confess that I even attended a number of PB drinks do's when absolutely flying.
Unadventurous maybe, but no regrets either - Indulging, especially with the harder drugs has always struck me as a game of Russian roulette, some live to tell the tale, some don’t.
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If China had become world dominant in the era of history when time was standardised the international dateline would probably run down the Western edge of the Atlantic, rather than in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, due to Europe's domination.david_herdson said:
No, it varies according to leap years and the like.Moses_ said:Felix
Solstice is 21st however agreed
The solstice is actually a moment rather than a day, it being when the sun ceases to move north or south and starts returning to the equator. The 'longest day' explanation makes no sense if you think about a person standing on (or right next to) the international dateline.0 -
It is south of the Tees, so yes!SandyRentool said:I am so sorry for opening up this "when are the seasons" can of worms. Can we return to the safe topic of whether or not Middlesbrough is in Yorkshire?
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On the appointing of political hacks...felix said:Then I presume you oppose the old system where appointees were party political hacks with no accountability to the public they are meant to serve. Do the general public no have a right to a democratic choice?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W3_wiTHvyc&index=2&list=PLR4N-jIkWWtr3wUsZjwmbxg2teNPBSKqR0 -
It has hugely different effects from person to person. I know plenty of high ambitious professional people who enjoy the odd smoke. Like alcohol, some people can consume in moderation so it doesn't affect their day to day lives and some people can't.FalseFlag said:
Cannabis is harmless in some ways but in many ways destroys ambition, triggers serious mental health problems and makes you very dull company. Notable how many of the recent Islamist rogue killers have had mental health problems and drug use.Plato said:I was in social set that used them a lot - especially speed/LSD. After giving cannabis a reluctant try as I find stoners very dull company - and knowing the odd effect on me - I had no trouble in saying No Thanks. I wasn't seen as puritanical, just someone who didn't feel better and no one tried to persuade me.
I don't smoke either - just doesn't appeal. I'd like to have tried Ecstasy, but was too chicken at the time. Amyl nitrate [think that was it] was very popular in my teens. Now that really does make me horny and reckless, so I wouldn't go anywhere near it again.SimonStClare said:
Ditto - However, I’m always fascinated by these druggy discussions that crop up on PB from time to time, but rarely contribute as I have no personal or social anecdotal stories to add.AndyJS said:
Never used any recreational drugs. Might have done as a teenager if someone had offered me some.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:I wonder how many PBers have ever used drugs?
With the notable exception of Sean T who has been remarkably open about his past.
I got through plenty of class a's during my raving days of 88-96.
After that was a daily weed smoker until early last year when I finally quit.
I must confess that I even attended a number of PB drinks do's when absolutely flying.
Unadventurous maybe, but no regrets either - Indulging, especially with the harder drugs has always struck me as a game of Russian roulette, some live to tell the tale, some don’t.0 -
One thing that always used to get me was Pearl Harbour happening on the 7th Dec 1941 when it was already the 8th in Japan and SE Asia.OblitusSumMe said:
If China had become world dominant in the era of history when time was standardised the international dateline would probably run down the Western edge of the Atlantic, rather than in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, due to Europe's domination.david_herdson said:
No, it varies according to leap years and the like.Moses_ said:Felix
Solstice is 21st however agreed
The solstice is actually a moment rather than a day, it being when the sun ceases to move north or south and starts returning to the equator. The 'longest day' explanation makes no sense if you think about a person standing on (or right next to) the international dateline.0 -
Cameron really has to get out of paying the shakedown, and to get some sort of restriction on EU immigration, in order to win a referendum.anotherDave said:EU Referendum poll from YouGov.
44% out
35% in
"Generally speaking, do you think immigration has a positive or negative impact on Britain?"
+25% / -51%
http://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/10/30/voters-shift-sharply-against-eu-membership/0 -
During the indyref I did not come across the word "tadger" but it has been slung at Jim Murphy by separatists already.Being a big jessie and a tadger is a new one on me due to cultural factors.0
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I am perfectly happy to accept my share of the blame.SandyRentool said:I am so sorry for opening up this "when are the seasons" can of worms. Can we return to the safe topic of whether or not Middlesbrough is in Yorkshire?
Oh, and the River Tees forms the northern boundary of Yorkshire at the North Sea coast, so Middlesbrough is very clearly inside Yorkshire.0 -
Possibilities:Scott_P said:@benatipsosmori: Wow. Once a year or less we do a poll that genuinely surprises me and has big immediate implications. Out later!
Three top parties all in the 20s.
Tories / Labour in third place.
Greens ahead of the LDs by more than 2-3 points. (unlikely)
Tories ahead by more than 5 points.0 -
Two things on the imminent IPSOS Mori poll:
1) Pollsters will always make sure their polls sound as interesting as possible.
2) Apparently interesting polls are often outliers.
The most important polls usually have superficially fairly dull conclusions. It's the fact that their conclusions seem dull that makes them important.0 -
What about the "immediate" bit?AndyJS said:
Possibilities:Scott_P said:@benatipsosmori: Wow. Once a year or less we do a poll that genuinely surprises me and has big immediate implications. Out later!
Three top parties all in the 20s.
Tories / Labour in third place.
Greens ahead of the LDs by more than 2-3 points. (unlikely)
Tories ahead by more than 5 points.0 -
Looks complicated that one. Similiary is my house in North East Derbyshire or Yorkshire ?SandyRentool said:I am so sorry for opening up this "when are the seasons" can of worms. Can we return to the safe topic of whether or not Middlesbrough is in Yorkshire?
Council mail from NE Derbyshire council had "South Yorkshire" on the end of the address...0 -
County Durham surelySandyRentool said:I am so sorry for opening up this "when are the seasons" can of worms. Can we return to the safe topic of whether or not Middlesbrough is in Yorkshire?
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The poll-tease is hyping up a poll that will eventually disappoint.AndyJS said:
Possibilities:Scott_P said:@benatipsosmori: Wow. Once a year or less we do a poll that genuinely surprises me and has big immediate implications. Out later!
Three top parties all in the 20s.
Tories / Labour in third place.
Greens ahead of the LDs by more than 2-3 points. (unlikely)
Tories ahead by more than 5 points.
Didn't that happen fairly recently with another firm?0 -
Very good post. I agree with every word of it.RochdalePioneers said:
Tories accuse Labour accuse Tories of various policy failings where both are identical:
1. PFI. A Tory idea exploded by Brown to avoid Tory accusations of overspending. Criticised by Tories in opposition then exploded again by Osborne. Both sides criticise it bitterly in opposition, both sides sign vast contracts in government.
2. Regulation. Lawson had the big bang to kick off laisse-faire, Brown made the BofE independent and had light-touch regulation which Osborne and Cameron bitterly criticised as tying the city up in red tape (Cameron even calling Brown "the great regulator" in speeches). Tories now allegedly regulating banks who keep landing multi-billion pound fines for illegal cartel behaviour, with Labour saying that instead of regulating the banks they would regulate them.....
3. Welfare. Tories dumped the unemployed onto Invalidity Benefit under Major to reduce dole figures (as bitterly complained about by GPs at the time in the press). Labour renamed the benefit to let them do the same, then got tough and hired ATOS to weed out the "fakers". Tories criticise ATOS then broaden their contract leading to ATOS "doctors" curing the terminally ill. Labour introduce sanctions on job seekers, Tories toughen sanctions, Labour object. Labour's proposed policy? Sanctions.
4. The NHS. Tories introduce the internal market. Labour scrap it. Then reinstate in in different form. Then restructure it along with the bodies running hospitals - twice. Then the Tories pledge no top-down reorganisation like the three done by Labour and do the biggest reorganisation yet. Labour introduce the private sector to cut 18 month waiting lists, then start contracting things out to the private sector on a bigger scale. Tories decide to contract everything out, Labour object, have a policy to oppose the Tories' top-down reorganisation with a top-down reorganisation to undue the top-down reorganisation.
Is it any wonder UKIP are doing so well?
LABs latest proposed NHS reorganisation has the potential to make the Lansley reforms look like minor tinkering.
The Better Care fund has effectively stripped £3.9BN from the NHS and given it to struggling local authorities to spend on social care. It has been a disaster and explains to a large extent why the Acute sector is in financial crisis,
It is known in the NHS as the Pothole fund as councils can spend the money on anything including the aforesaid Pothole mending.
Genius then for Burnham to decide BCF Max is a great idea.
Bye Bye to the National in NHS as local councils do as thay wish with the NHS budgat
I will not vote Lab at GE 2015 if they do not explain how their proposals will not give away the NHS budget in its entirety.
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Wrong side of the Tees!!!felix said:
County Durham surelySandyRentool said:I am so sorry for opening up this "when are the seasons" can of worms. Can we return to the safe topic of whether or not Middlesbrough is in Yorkshire?
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Maybe it's a Rochester poll? Although I still can't think how it could have "immediate" implications.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What about the "immediate" bit?AndyJS said:
Possibilities:Scott_P said:@benatipsosmori: Wow. Once a year or less we do a poll that genuinely surprises me and has big immediate implications. Out later!
Three top parties all in the 20s.
Tories / Labour in third place.
Greens ahead of the LDs by more than 2-3 points. (unlikely)
Tories ahead by more than 5 points.0 -
Confirms the last (comres?) poll as the outlier it appeared to be... And the clueless bobajob as always wrong on politics and bettinganotherDave said:EU Referendum poll from YouGov.
44% out
35% in
"Generally speaking, do you think immigration has a positive or negative impact on Britain?"
+25% / -51%
http://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/10/30/voters-shift-sharply-against-eu-membership/
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I thought the HQ of your council is in Chesterfield!Pulpstar said:
Looks complicated that one. Similiary is my house in North East Derbyshire or Yorkshire ?SandyRentool said:I am so sorry for opening up this "when are the seasons" can of worms. Can we return to the safe topic of whether or not Middlesbrough is in Yorkshire?
Council mail from NE Derbyshire council had "South Yorkshire" on the end of the address...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_East_Derbyshire0 -
Well it certainly would if the Tories were found to be ahead !AndyJS said:
Maybe it's a Rochester poll? Although I still can't think how it could have "immediate" implications.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What about the "immediate" bit?AndyJS said:
Possibilities:Scott_P said:@benatipsosmori: Wow. Once a year or less we do a poll that genuinely surprises me and has big immediate implications. Out later!
Three top parties all in the 20s.
Tories / Labour in third place.
Greens ahead of the LDs by more than 2-3 points. (unlikely)
Tories ahead by more than 5 points.0 -
There's apparently going to be a vote on passing power over Justice and Home Affairs to the EU before the Rochester by-election.AndyJS said:
Maybe it's a Rochester poll? Although I still can't think how it could have "immediate" implications.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What about the "immediate" bit?AndyJS said:
Possibilities:Scott_P said:@benatipsosmori: Wow. Once a year or less we do a poll that genuinely surprises me and has big immediate implications. Out later!
Three top parties all in the 20s.
Tories / Labour in third place.
Greens ahead of the LDs by more than 2-3 points. (unlikely)
Tories ahead by more than 5 points.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/lets-have-british-justice--not-the-eus-9819682.html
Perhaps that was polled?0 -
@benatipsosmori: @MSmithsonPB no pressure eh Mike. Ought to be out c2pm. B0
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Astronomically, you mean?The_Last_Boy_Scout said:Astrologically the first day of winter is 21 Dec so in that regard the government is entirely correct with its billing of the autumn statement
Very pedantic, us Librans.
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Scottish poll of comparative Labour leaders?Sunil_Prasannan said:
What about the "immediate" bit?AndyJS said:
Possibilities:Scott_P said:@benatipsosmori: Wow. Once a year or less we do a poll that genuinely surprises me and has big immediate implications. Out later!
Three top parties all in the 20s.
Tories / Labour in third place.
Greens ahead of the LDs by more than 2-3 points. (unlikely)
Tories ahead by more than 5 points.
UK/GB of parties with different potential leaders?
VI impacts of pre-election pacts?
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Ipsos Mori actually found SNP to be ahead of Labour in December 2009.Pulpstar said:
That's because Scottish politics had been as volatile as cold porridge for yonks.antifrank said:That said, Mori last polled in Scotland in 2011.
Also the Indy Ref was all anyone (Quite rightly) cared about in relation to Scotland from now till then. Now it is over hopefully there are some Westminster VI polls.
http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/2009/12/ipsos-mori-sensation-snp-lead-labour-in.html0 -
South Yorkshire PCC exit poll: English Democrats ahead on 1st preference...AndyJS said:
Maybe it's a Rochester poll? Although I still can't think how it could have "immediate" implications.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What about the "immediate" bit?AndyJS said:
Possibilities:Scott_P said:@benatipsosmori: Wow. Once a year or less we do a poll that genuinely surprises me and has big immediate implications. Out later!
Three top parties all in the 20s.
Tories / Labour in third place.
Greens ahead of the LDs by more than 2-3 points. (unlikely)
Tories ahead by more than 5 points.0 -
That would be... expensive.SandyRentool said:
South Yorkshire PCC exit poll: English Democrats ahead on 1st preference...AndyJS said:
Maybe it's a Rochester poll? Although I still can't think how it could have "immediate" implications.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What about the "immediate" bit?AndyJS said:
Possibilities:Scott_P said:@benatipsosmori: Wow. Once a year or less we do a poll that genuinely surprises me and has big immediate implications. Out later!
Three top parties all in the 20s.
Tories / Labour in third place.
Greens ahead of the LDs by more than 2-3 points. (unlikely)
Tories ahead by more than 5 points.
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Is it too trite and simplistic to say:
Jim Murphy = David Miliband
Neil Findlay = Ed Miliband
...and to thusly conclude that Scottish Labour's decision will tell us whether they've decided to try to win again, or to retreat into a comfort zone?0 -
Wow. Once a year or less we do a poll that genuinely surprises me and has big immediate implications. Out later!
— Ben Page, Ipsos MORI (@benatipsosmori) October 30, 2014@MSmithsonPB no pressure eh Mike. Ought to be out c2pm. B
— Ben Page, Ipsos MORI (@benatipsosmori) October 30, 20140 -
I actually think Burnham can be trusted on this. His view that the care sector needed to be reinforced to support the NHS is long-standing and he's very much an NHS man rather than a front for local authorities. I can't see him falling for the pothole wheeze.bigjohnowls said:
It is known in the NHS as the Pothole fund as councils can spend the money on anything including the aforesaid Pothole mending.
Genius then for Burnham to decide BCF Max is a great idea.
Bye Bye to the National in NHS as local councils do as thay wish with the NHS budgat
As for the poll, they've successfully got us all talking about it! I suspect a Scottish poll, showing the SNP on 98% of the seats or something.
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"Surely Londoners leaving London is a cause for concern, just as would be Parisians leaving Paris, or Romans Rome. You'd think so, but according to the official narrative of our times that would be to define Londoners in the wrong way. That would be parochial and, no doubt, to cast oneself as one of the dreaded "left behind". So Londoners born and bred in the city should have no claims on the place, sentimental or otherwise. Claiming Londoner status now is rather like claiming citizenship of the world, that moniker which manages to wrap rootlessness, self-regard and a total lack of history into one nebulous package."
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And still no mention of the word fracking.
The Greens are sailing along as the only party to offer opposition to the gas-drilling abomination.
Well might their vote be rising.
Tim Farron has spotted the weakness in the Lib Dem platform and wants to break ranks on this with Clegg.
Why do commenters on politicalbetting not realise that this is the key to understanding the collapsing Conservative/Labour/Lib Dem vote? And the failure of UKIP to punch through with Roger Helmer hard-glued to this insanity?
Are the others going to allow the Environmental fascistic Green Party to rampage all the way to the GE using anti-fracking as their sure-fire vote-winner?
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LOL.Ishmael_X said:
Astronomically, you mean?The_Last_Boy_Scout said:Astrologically the first day of winter is 21 Dec so in that regard the government is entirely correct with its billing of the autumn statement
Very pedantic, us Librans.0 -
Fracking. Yes, thats really bringing America to its knees.isam said:"Surely Londoners leaving London is a cause for concern, just as would be Parisians leaving Paris, or Romans Rome. You'd think so, but according to the official narrative of our times that would be to define Londoners in the wrong way. That would be parochial and, no doubt, to cast oneself as one of the dreaded "left behind". So Londoners born and bred in the city should have no claims on the place, sentimental or otherwise. Claiming Londoner status now is rather like claiming citizenship of the world, that moniker which manages to wrap rootlessness, self-regard and a total lack of history into one nebulous package."
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Jim Murphy
Before he definitely decided to run I took the evens then on offer from William Hill.
In my view there is no way that Murphy would be running unless he felt very confident of victory. I now suspect that Boyack's candidacy is an attempt to split the MSP vote with whom Murphy may be the least popular choice (Boyack and Murphy were the reviewers of the Labour structure in Scotland after 2011).
The tip on Findlay (which I missed) by Mr Manson was brilliant, but I would be inclined to advise any who have not done so to trade out of the position presumably very profitably. No doubt many have done so.
Murphy may well be the sticking plaster that saves Labour from very serious losses in Scotland at the GE which may have led Miliband to have promised him much!. Beyond that, I would expect his right wing limitations to be rumbled so that he cannot lead Labour to a victory over the SNP in 2016.0 -
MikeSmithson said:
Wow. Once a year or less we do a poll that genuinely surprises me and has big immediate implications. Out later!
— Ben Page, Ipsos MORI (@benatipsosmori) October 30, 2014
Don't take no for an answer Mr Smithson!@MSmithsonPB no pressure eh Mike. Ought to be out c2pm. B
— Ben Page, Ipsos MORI (@benatipsosmori) October 30, 2014
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It's alright. They're being replaced by people from poorer countries, showing there's a "revealed preference" for London and no-one should complain about it being overcrowded.isam said:"Surely Londoners leaving London is a cause for concern, just as would be Parisians leaving Paris, or Romans Rome. You'd think so, but according to the official narrative of our times that would be to define Londoners in the wrong way. That would be parochial and, no doubt, to cast oneself as one of the dreaded "left behind". So Londoners born and bred in the city should have no claims on the place, sentimental or otherwise. Claiming Londoner status now is rather like claiming citizenship of the world, that moniker which manages to wrap rootlessness, self-regard and a total lack of history into one nebulous package."
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David Cameron, sell-out to Brussels.anotherDave said:
There's apparently going to be a vote on passing power over Justice and Home Affairs to the EU before the Rochester by-election.AndyJS said:
Maybe it's a Rochester poll? Although I still can't think how it could have "immediate" implications.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What about the "immediate" bit?AndyJS said:
Possibilities:Scott_P said:@benatipsosmori: Wow. Once a year or less we do a poll that genuinely surprises me and has big immediate implications. Out later!
Three top parties all in the 20s.
Tories / Labour in third place.
Greens ahead of the LDs by more than 2-3 points. (unlikely)
Tories ahead by more than 5 points.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/lets-have-british-justice--not-the-eus-9819682.html
Perhaps that was polled?0 -
david_herdson said:
No, it varies according to leap years and the like.Moses_ said:Felix
Solstice is 21st however agreed
The solstice is actually a moment rather than a day, it being when the sun ceases to move north or south and starts returning to the equator. The 'longest day' explanation makes no sense if you think about a person standing on (or right next to) the international dateline.
David agree with you .... However, are confusing longitude with latitude though so be careful where you quote the dateline etc. that is a longitude measurement ( east/west) or Bench mark a latitude ( north / south) . I won't bother to go into eastings and northings at this point.
By the way my trade is marine navigator which does not always make me right but I can assure you we tend to follow the equinoxes. The crossing of heavily bodies across prime meridians as opposed to other heavenly bodies in theb movies :-) This data can be found in almanacs if you care to have a very serious boring afternoon coming on.
it is a similar situation for the summer equinox where generally mid summers day is considerd to be 24 th June? The equinox is actually 21 st June which is true mid summers ( or not? ) . I have a wonderful argument with my wife each year about and have done for the lasst 33 years this as she was born 24th June.
Seriously though I have looked through more sextants than I care to remember over the years ( that's pre DGPS of course)
Oh for the Happy days pre electronics.
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Burnham, Trust and Healthcare.NickPalmer said:
I actually think Burnham can be trusted on this. His view that the care sector needed to be reinforced to support the NHS is long-standing and he's very much an NHS man rather than a front for local authorities. I can't see him falling for the pothole wheeze.bigjohnowls said:
It is known in the NHS as the Pothole fund as councils can spend the money on anything including the aforesaid Pothole mending.
Genius then for Burnham to decide BCF Max is a great idea.
Bye Bye to the National in NHS as local councils do as thay wish with the NHS budgat
As for the poll, they've successfully got us all talking about it! I suspect a Scottish poll, showing the SNP on 98% of the seats or something.
After Stafford, they're 3 mutually incompatible words.0 -
The life and time of Bobajob PerrinSocrates said:
It's alright. They're being replaced by people from poorer countries, showing there's a "revealed preference" for London and no-one should complain about it being overcrowded.isam said:"Surely Londoners leaving London is a cause for concern, just as would be Parisians leaving Paris, or Romans Rome. You'd think so, but according to the official narrative of our times that would be to define Londoners in the wrong way. That would be parochial and, no doubt, to cast oneself as one of the dreaded "left behind". So Londoners born and bred in the city should have no claims on the place, sentimental or otherwise. Claiming Londoner status now is rather like claiming citizenship of the world, that moniker which manages to wrap rootlessness, self-regard and a total lack of history into one nebulous package."
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I don't know about that. He almost has to run, as the standard bearer for the Blairite way of doing things. If he loses (and that's down to union votes) then at least he's put himself on the right side of the post Westminster '15 and Holyrood '16 fallout should Labour lose.JPJ2 said:In my view there is no way that Murphy would be running unless he felt very confident of victory.
If Ed wins in '15, there's not a lot for him in Westminster anyway.
If Ed loses, he couldn't credibly run for national leader having ducked this.0 -
Ipsos political monitor isn't due, is it?
Rochester? London? Scotland?0 -
In today's YouGov poll, 57% of current-Conservative supporters would vote to leave the EU.Socrates said:
David Cameron, sell-out to Brussels.anotherDave said:
There's apparently going to be a vote on passing power over Justice and Home Affairs to the EU before the Rochester by-election.AndyJS said:
Maybe it's a Rochester poll? Although I still can't think how it could have "immediate" implications.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What about the "immediate" bit?AndyJS said:
Possibilities:Scott_P said:@benatipsosmori: Wow. Once a year or less we do a poll that genuinely surprises me and has big immediate implications. Out later!
Three top parties all in the 20s.
Tories / Labour in third place.
Greens ahead of the LDs by more than 2-3 points. (unlikely)
Tories ahead by more than 5 points.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/lets-have-british-justice--not-the-eus-9819682.html
Perhaps that was polled?
Are the Cameroons following a 'destroy the Conservative Party' strategy?0 -
"Hannibal, being a genius"Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Scout, not worried, just annoyed.
Mr. Camel, I was just asking. Camelry were used by the Romans, you know.
http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/animals-in-ancient-warfare.html
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How about "vote intention if Cameron hands over the £1.7 billion?"0
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Murphy losing this by union votes may be the best thing for his career, thinking about it.Tissue_Price said:
I don't know about that. He almost has to run, as the standard bearer for the Blairite way of doing things. If he loses (and that's down to union votes) then at least he's put himself on the right side of the post Westminster '15 and Holyrood '16 fallout should Labour lose.JPJ2 said:In my view there is no way that Murphy would be running unless he felt very confident of victory.
If Ed wins in '15, there's not a lot for him in Westminster anyway.
If Ed loses, he couldn't credibly run for national leader having ducked this.0 -
You mean he'll join David M at International Rescue?Pulpstar said:
Murphy losing this by union votes may be the best thing for his career, thinking about it.Tissue_Price said:
I don't know about that. He almost has to run, as the standard bearer for the Blairite way of doing things. If he loses (and that's down to union votes) then at least he's put himself on the right side of the post Westminster '15 and Holyrood '16 fallout should Labour lose.JPJ2 said:In my view there is no way that Murphy would be running unless he felt very confident of victory.
If Ed wins in '15, there's not a lot for him in Westminster anyway.
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The monitor came out yesterday.chestnut said:Ipsos political monitor isn't due, is it?
Rochester? London? Scotland?
https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3468/EconomistIpsos-MORI-October-2014-Issues-Index.aspx0 -
Conservatives on here moan about the right being split, but David Cameron seems fully intent on doing the splitting. Why on Earth is he handing ancient British protections against the state over to the EU? In fact, not just doing it himself, but forcing his parliamentary party to do it. It will damage his party as much as Nick Clegg's moves on tuition fees.anotherDave said:
In today's YouGov poll, 57% of current-Conservative supporters would vote to leave the EU.Socrates said:
David Cameron, sell-out to Brussels.anotherDave said:
There's apparently going to be a vote on passing power over Justice and Home Affairs to the EU before the Rochester by-election.AndyJS said:
Maybe it's a Rochester poll? Although I still can't think how it could have "immediate" implications.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What about the "immediate" bit?AndyJS said:
Possibilities:Scott_P said:@benatipsosmori: Wow. Once a year or less we do a poll that genuinely surprises me and has big immediate implications. Out later!
Three top parties all in the 20s.
Tories / Labour in third place.
Greens ahead of the LDs by more than 2-3 points. (unlikely)
Tories ahead by more than 5 points.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/lets-have-british-justice--not-the-eus-9819682.html
Perhaps that was polled?
Are the Cameroons following a 'destroy the Conservative Party' strategy?
Does anyone know if he's putting a three line whip on this Euro-sellout?0 -
Ha - No I doubt it. I don't think he's as big a sulk as Banana-man.Sunil_Prasannan said:
You mean he'll join David M at International Rescue?Pulpstar said:
Murphy losing this by union votes may be the best thing for his career, thinking about it.Tissue_Price said:
I don't know about that. He almost has to run, as the standard bearer for the Blairite way of doing things. If he loses (and that's down to union votes) then at least he's put himself on the right side of the post Westminster '15 and Holyrood '16 fallout should Labour lose.JPJ2 said:In my view there is no way that Murphy would be running unless he felt very confident of victory.
If Ed wins in '15, there's not a lot for him in Westminster anyway.
If Ed loses, he couldn't credibly run for national leader having ducked this.0 -
UKIP 20+, Tory lead of 5, Greens ahead of the Lib Dems by 3 points.
All in the same poll - calling it.0 -
Nick, as you may remember or perhaps not, we have crossed swords in the past in many ways but i always have appreciated your open approach. To be on a site like this and be exposed to whatever comes your way is unusual and not many on your side would do this so you have my absolute respect for that whatever your views.NickPalmer said:
I actually think Burnham can be trusted on this. His view that the care sector needed to be reinforced to support the NHS is long-standing and he's very much an NHS man rather than a front for local authorities. I can't see him falling for the pothole wheeze.bigjohnowls said:
It is known in the NHS as the Pothole fund as councils can spend the money on anything including the aforesaid Pothole mending.
Genius then for Burnham to decide BCF Max is a great idea.
Bye Bye to the National in NHS as local councils do as thay wish with the NHS budgat
As for the poll, they've successfully got us all talking about it! I suspect a Scottish poll, showing the SNP on 98% of the seats or something.
In saying that do you really seriously believe what you just put there? Burnham? NHS.
* shakes head*
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Burnham? Trusted?NickPalmer said:
I actually think Burnham can be trusted on this. His view that the care sector needed to be reinforced to support the NHS is long-standing and he's very much an NHS man rather than a front for local authorities. I can't see him falling for the pothole wheeze.bigjohnowls said:
It is known in the NHS as the Pothole fund as councils can spend the money on anything including the aforesaid Pothole mending.
Genius then for Burnham to decide BCF Max is a great idea.
Bye Bye to the National in NHS as local councils do as thay wish with the NHS budgat
As for the poll, they've successfully got us all talking about it! I suspect a Scottish poll, showing the SNP on 98% of the seats or something.0 -
If I can sneak in before the "big poll" results - what is this Standpoint magazine? Why have I never heard of it before and yet it has been linked twice on PB already today? Would I know it by another name/owner?isam said:"Surely Londoners leaving London is a cause for concern, just as would be Parisians leaving Paris, or Romans Rome. You'd think so, but according to the official narrative of our times that would be to define Londoners in the wrong way. That would be parochial and, no doubt, to cast oneself as one of the dreaded "left behind". So Londoners born and bred in the city should have no claims on the place, sentimental or otherwise. Claiming Londoner status now is rather like claiming citizenship of the world, that moniker which manages to wrap rootlessness, self-regard and a total lack of history into one nebulous package."
http://standpointmag.co.uk/node/5794/full0 -
MikeSmithson said:
Wow. Once a year or less we do a poll that genuinely surprises me and has big immediate implications. Out later!
— Ben Page, Ipsos MORI (@benatipsosmori) October 30, 2014@MSmithsonPB no pressure eh Mike. Ought to be out c2pm. B
— Ben Page, Ipsos MORI (@benatipsosmori) October 30, 2014
It is a great shame to see the effects of Political Poll Addiction in action.
Symptoms include:
Writing threads on 1% Labour leads
Treating MOE variations as significant movements
Not going to bed waiting for daily YouGov 'fix'
Analysing subsamples to death
Treating actual election results as irrelevant
Please give generously at the Dirty Dick's fundraiser this November.
Together, we can beat this affliction.0 -
Some materials from South Yorkshire campaign
UKIP leaflet
https://rotherhampolitics.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/page1doc1063.jpg
(half) front page of Labour Rose new edition
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SNP on 52%.0
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I don't know actually. The writer of that article is Peter Whittle the Ukip culture spokesman.TOPPING said:
If I can sneak in before the "big poll" results - what is this Standpoint magazine? Why have I never heard of it before and yet it has been linked twice on PB already today? Would I know it by another name/owner?isam said:"Surely Londoners leaving London is a cause for concern, just as would be Parisians leaving Paris, or Romans Rome. You'd think so, but according to the official narrative of our times that would be to define Londoners in the wrong way. That would be parochial and, no doubt, to cast oneself as one of the dreaded "left behind". So Londoners born and bred in the city should have no claims on the place, sentimental or otherwise. Claiming Londoner status now is rather like claiming citizenship of the world, that moniker which manages to wrap rootlessness, self-regard and a total lack of history into one nebulous package."
http://standpointmag.co.uk/node/5794/full
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Chaps, the big news is that the SNP are on 52% in a poll - I think that deserves a thread.0
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STV poll
EICAINPM0 -
My word. SNP 52, Lab 23, Con 10, Green 6, LD 6
That explains the big price moves on the SNP yesterday.0 -
Don't Unseat Ed Miliband Association? (not sure what ABL is!)Moses_ said:
Nick, as you may remember or perhaps not, we have crossed swords in the past in many ways but i always have appreciated your open approach. To be on a site like this and be exposed to whatever comes your way is unusual and not many on your side would do this so you have my absolute respect for that whatever your views.NickPalmer said:
I actually think Burnham can be trusted on this. His view that the care sector needed to be reinforced to support the NHS is long-standing and he's very much an NHS man rather than a front for local authorities. I can't see him falling for the pothole wheeze.bigjohnowls said:
It is known in the NHS as the Pothole fund as councils can spend the money on anything including the aforesaid Pothole mending.
Genius then for Burnham to decide BCF Max is a great idea.
Bye Bye to the National in NHS as local councils do as thay wish with the NHS budgat
As for the poll, they've successfully got us all talking about it! I suspect a Scottish poll, showing the SNP on 98% of the seats or something.
In saying that do you really seriously believe what you just put there? Burnham? NHS.
* shakes head*
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No. It was launched a few years ago. It's supposed to be the right-wing alternative to Prospect.TOPPING said:
If I can sneak in before the "big poll" results - what is this Standpoint magazine? Why have I never heard of it before and yet it has been linked twice on PB already today? Would I know it by another name/owner?isam said:"Surely Londoners leaving London is a cause for concern, just as would be Parisians leaving Paris, or Romans Rome. You'd think so, but according to the official narrative of our times that would be to define Londoners in the wrong way. That would be parochial and, no doubt, to cast oneself as one of the dreaded "left behind". So Londoners born and bred in the city should have no claims on the place, sentimental or otherwise. Claiming Londoner status now is rather like claiming citizenship of the world, that moniker which manages to wrap rootlessness, self-regard and a total lack of history into one nebulous package."
http://standpointmag.co.uk/node/5794/full
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/can-prospect-and-standpoint-be-the-best-of-enemies-812040.html0 -
STV poll: SNP at 52% as Labour face general election meltdown
By Cara Sulieman
30 October 2014 12:14
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OGH tweets:
"SNP at 52% in Scotland according to new Ipsos-MORI poll
SNP 52%
LAB 23%
CON 10%
GRN 6%
LD 6%
2:01pm - 30 Oct 14"0 -
Dear old Reggie. Last seen cycling along the Regents Park Canal to meet Dick Van Dyke for a pint in 'The Pearly King'. I hope he's OK.Pulpstar said:
The life and time of Bobajob PerrinSocrates said:
It's alright. They're being replaced by people from poorer countries, showing there's a "revealed preference" for London and no-one should complain about it being overcrowded.isam said:"Surely Londoners leaving London is a cause for concern, just as would be Parisians leaving Paris, or Romans Rome. You'd think so, but according to the official narrative of our times that would be to define Londoners in the wrong way. That would be parochial and, no doubt, to cast oneself as one of the dreaded "left behind". So Londoners born and bred in the city should have no claims on the place, sentimental or otherwise. Claiming Londoner status now is rather like claiming citizenship of the world, that moniker which manages to wrap rootlessness, self-regard and a total lack of history into one nebulous package."
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And that's Westminster, not Holyrood. Hmm. It does assume uniform swing, accoding to the STV report. But that additional [edit] 29%, and the concentrated Yes in the Labour bastions, should counteract the effect of the distribution of the Labour vote, no?AndyJS said:OGH tweets:
"SNP at 52% in Scotland according to new Ipsos-MORI poll
SNP 52%
LAB 23%
CON 10%
GRN 6%
LD 6%
2:01pm - 30 Oct 14"
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The commissioner is an administrator, not a criminologist. In say New York he/she is appointed/sacked by the (elected) Mayor.state_go_away said:
I am not Labour but for me this role should be done by a person or persons (ideally) with a genuine expertise in policing and crime and not a career politician . It seems an expert rolefelix said:
As opposed to the totally unrepresentative and unelected bodies they replaced. Typical Labour - opposing democracy here!state_go_away said:
yes I agree they are a nonsense and costly exercise . They are also probably a bit dangerous in terms of polarising power in one personSandyRentool said:
Well we know the LDs are boycotting the poll, so chances are Nick Clegg hasn't made it to the polling station yet.state_go_away said:anyone voted yet in the South Yorkshire PCC election?
Incidentally, the LDs are part of the government that foisted PCCs and these silly elections onto us, and now they are boycotting them! Typical nonsense from the pot-head party.
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I'd not heard of it either, and the article is a heap of poop. 700,000 left the city between 2001 and 2011. The assumption is that the leavers were all good stout native Londoners who've been replaced by 'immigrants' . And yet, there's no analysis of the nationality/ place of birth of those leaving as opposed to those arriving. London has always had a mobile population. People were regularly moving into, and out of, the city during the sixteenth century.TOPPING said:
If I can sneak in before the "big poll" results - what is this Standpoint magazine? Why have I never heard of it before and yet it has been linked twice on PB already today? Would I know it by another name/owner?isam said:"Surely Londoners leaving London is a cause for concern, just as would be Parisians leaving Paris, or Romans Rome. You'd think so, but according to the official narrative of our times that would be to define Londoners in the wrong way. That would be parochial and, no doubt, to cast oneself as one of the dreaded "left behind". So Londoners born and bred in the city should have no claims on the place, sentimental or otherwise. Claiming Londoner status now is rather like claiming citizenship of the world, that moniker which manages to wrap rootlessness, self-regard and a total lack of history into one nebulous package."
http://standpointmag.co.uk/node/5794/full0
