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  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,047

    Since some of you are more interested in Hunter Biden than I am, here's commentary from Jonathan Turley that seems insightful: https://jonathanturley.org/2023/06/25/the-designated-defendant-was-hunter-biden-always-expected-to-be-the-fail-guy/

    "Below is my column in the Messenger on the curious role of Hunter Biden as the “designated defendant” of the Biden family. Throughout the years of influence peddling and millions in transfers to various Biden associates and family members, Hunter remained the frontman. He is now expected to face accountability for these dealings. He even complained to his daughter in 2019 that he was being sued. Telling her that “It’s really hard. But don’t worry, unlike Pop [Joe], I won’t make you give me half your salary.” While he will get off light, he will be expected to take 100 percent of any accountability as his father repeatedly says how “proud” he is of his son."

    (The Bidens remind me -- a bit -- of the old Daley machine. The original Daley saw nothing wrong with family and friends making money from the city, but might sacrifice someone, if necessary.

    I would be interested to learn how Hunter got so screwed up -- but not enough to do any serious research on the subject.)

    Joe Biden's net worth is estimated at about $9m, which is peanuts for an ex-VP who could comfortably get $250k a speech on the lecture circuit.

    If he's secretly much richer than he pretends, what's he doing with his money? Because all the evidence - the modest home, the travelling by train, etc. - suggests he's not a particularly wealthy man.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,878
    edited June 2023

    Since some of you are more interested in Hunter Biden than I am, here's commentary from Jonathan Turley that seems insightful: https://jonathanturley.org/2023/06/25/the-designated-defendant-was-hunter-biden-always-expected-to-be-the-fail-guy/

    "Below is my column in the Messenger on the curious role of Hunter Biden as the “designated defendant” of the Biden family. Throughout the years of influence peddling and millions in transfers to various Biden associates and family members, Hunter remained the frontman. He is now expected to face accountability for these dealings. He even complained to his daughter in 2019 that he was being sued. Telling her that “It’s really hard. But don’t worry, unlike Pop [Joe], I won’t make you give me half your salary.” While he will get off light, he will be expected to take 100 percent of any accountability as his father repeatedly says how “proud” he is of his son."

    (The Bidens remind me -- a bit -- of the old Daley machine. The original Daley saw nothing wrong with family and friends making money from the city, but might sacrifice someone, if necessary.

    I would be interested to learn how Hunter got so screwed up -- but not enough to do any serious research on the subject.)

    Surviving being in a car crash which kills your Mother and sister at the age of 2?
    You don't have to be a great advocate of attachment theory or survivor guilt to see how that might not help.
    Just an idea.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,878
    rcs1000 said:

    Joe Biden's net worth is estimated at about $9m, which is peanuts for an ex-VP who could comfortably get $250k a speech on the lecture circuit.

    If he's secretly much richer than he pretends, what's he doing with his money? Because all the evidence - the modest home, the travelling by train, etc. - suggests he's not a particularly wealthy man.
    $9m isn't particularly wealthy?
    The cost of living struggle is truly real.
  • WestieWestie Posts: 426

    Same as with most professions, aside from the top 10% or so . . . and even for them more than you'd think.
    At the English bar they call it the "cab rank rule". Even a criminal defence and human rights barrister as prestigious as Michael Mansfield once prosecuted alleged shoplifters. I doubt he's done much of that for quite some time, though.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,851
    dixiedean said:

    $9m isn't particularly wealthy?
    The cost of living struggle is truly real.
    By the standards of US politics it is. Many politicians of less standing than an ex-VP would be expecting multiple “jobs” involving 3 days work a year, paying 6 or 7 figures. And stock options at pennies on the dollar.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,307
    dixiedean said:

    $9m isn't particularly wealthy?
    The cost of living struggle is truly real.
    American politicians do, in general, seem to be very comfortable. The american public less concerned about them being out of touch and more praising of success perhaps? A consequence of the stupefying amounts of dosh required run and campaign in elections, and thus be able to rake in donations?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    Miklosvar said:

    If it's bigger than a tenth of an acre it should be asking 80 per week or per month I would have thought.
    A very small field. It did get valued when I inherited it, and that is a pretty fair return.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,878

    By the standards of US politics it is. Many politicians of less standing than an ex-VP would be expecting multiple “jobs” involving 3 days work a year, paying 6 or 7 figures. And stock options at pennies on the dollar.
    Am aware of all that.
    There's just the occasional (possibly inadvertently careless) phrasing on PB which opens a window onto a wholly different world.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,047
    dixiedean said:

    $9m isn't particularly wealthy?
    The cost of living struggle is truly real.
    About a decade ago, I saw Al Gore speak at a FTSE250 company event. He gave a prepackaged global warming speech for 40 minutes, shook a few hands, and disappeared off.

    His fee for this? $250,000.

    At this point, Al Gore was 15 years out the VP's office. And he was very much a one trick pony.

    Joe Biden - as Obama's ex-VP - could go around giving the same speech to corporate events twice a week at $250k a time for a decade.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,307
    When it comes to Biden, to me he simply comes across as more normal than most of his peers, on his side or the Republicans.

    He's clearly not normal, he's been a political animal for 50 years, but he seems it, at least compared to most in that area.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,047

    By the standards of US politics it is. Many politicians of less standing than an ex-VP would be expecting multiple “jobs” involving 3 days work a year, paying 6 or 7 figures. And stock options at pennies on the dollar.
    A man who's been a Senator for - say - two terms, and who is fairly clubbable, can usually walk into a variety of consulting, lobbying and board memberships paying $1m/year. A former VP could easily earn 10x that.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,047
    rcs1000 said:

    About a decade ago, I saw Al Gore speak at a FTSE250 company event. He gave a prepackaged global warming speech for 40 minutes, shook a few hands, and disappeared off.

    His fee for this? $250,000.

    At this point, Al Gore was 15 years out the VP's office. And he was very much a one trick pony.

    Joe Biden - as Obama's ex-VP - could go around giving the same speech to corporate events twice a week at $250k a time for a decade.
    Just so no-one thinks it's only Dems who manage this, Dick Cheney was a regular on the investment bank conference circuit, and I'm sure he was also picking up hundreds of thousands of dollars per appearance.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,878
    edited June 2023
    rcs1000 said:

    About a decade ago, I saw Al Gore speak at a FTSE250 company event. He gave a prepackaged global warming speech for 40 minutes, shook a few hands, and disappeared off.

    His fee for this? $250,000.

    At this point, Al Gore was 15 years out the VP's office. And he was very much a one trick pony.

    Joe Biden - as Obama's ex-VP - could go around giving the same speech to corporate events twice a week at $250k a time for a decade.
    Who the Hell pays for all this?
    We have trouble getting the Local Authority to pay £200 for an hour for a guest speaker with a PhD. to educate 100 staff on ADHD.
    When he's a guy with ADHD. And has a PhD in it. And we are a special school meant to be educating children with ADHD to become productive members of society.
    As I say.
    Window into an utterly different world.
    I guess we could do with 20% spending cuts so Corporations could pay less tax is the real lesson here.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,564
    rcs1000 said:

    Just so no-one thinks it's only Dems who manage this, Dick Cheney was a regular on the investment bank conference circuit, and I'm sure he was also picking up hundreds of thousands of dollars per appearance.
    I used to know a guy who did something similar - but rather than talks it was 'certifying' IBM mainframe configurations. His villa overlooking the Aegean was lovely.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,178
    dixiedean said:

    Who the Hell pays for all this?
    We have trouble getting the Local Authority to pay £200 for an hour for a guest speaker with a PhD. to educate 100 staff on ADHD.
    When he's a guy with ADHD. And has a PhD in it. And we are a special school meant to be educating children with it to become productive members of society.
    As I say.
    Window into an utterly different world.
    I guess we could do with 20% spending cuts so Corporations could pay less tax is the real lesson here.
    Just remember, it's the public sector that is wasteful.

    (One of the things that has happened since the rise of academies and networks is the creep of some of these values and behaviours into schools- but at a trivial level compared with this.)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,552
    dixiedean said:

    Who the Hell pays for all this?
    We have trouble getting the Local Authority to pay £200 for an hour for a guest speaker with a PhD. to educate 100 staff on ADHD.
    When he's a guy with ADHD. And has a PhD in it. And we are a special school meant to be educating children with ADHD to become productive members of society.
    As I say.
    Window into an utterly different world.
    I guess we could do with 20% spending cuts so Corporations could pay less tax is the real lesson here.
    Well they could have paid £1 million for Boris
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,047
    dixiedean said:

    Who the Hell pays for all this?
    We have trouble getting the Local Authority to pay £200 for an hour for a guest speaker with a PhD. to educate 100 staff on ADHD.
    When he's a guy with ADHD. And has a PhD in it. And we are a special school meant to be educating children with ADHD to become productive members of society.
    As I say.
    Window into an utterly different world.
    I guess we could do with 20% spending cuts so Corporations could pay less tax is the real lesson here.
    This was a FTSE 250 Financial Services firm that would, once a year, hold a big event for its key employees, partners, etc. They'd have the CEO give a big gee up speech; a couple of famous people would come and give their views, etc. And then everyone would socialise, etc.

    It probably cost them £1m to host. Which is a lot of money. But it was also an effective marketing tool. You might think Al Gore is a bit of a bore, but for Company X's partners to say "I was with Al Gore last week and he said...", that was invaluable. It was all part of the bullshit that is the financial advisory business.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,564
    dixiedean said:

    Who the Hell pays for all this?
    We have trouble getting the Local Authority to pay £200 for an hour for a guest speaker with a PhD. to educate 100 staff on ADHD.
    When he's a guy with ADHD. And has a PhD in it. And we are a special school meant to be educating children with it to become productive members of society.
    As I say.
    Window into an utterly different world.
    I guess we could do with 20% spending cuts so Corporations could pay less tax is the real lesson here.
    I've spent more than 10hrs this month tying to get a £20 USB drive past purchasing. We also had an offer of some GPU's at knock-down research rates so we'd get three for about 20 grand instead of the near 100 at market rates. But because it was an unapproved supplier it had to be put out to tender. So (thanks to the taxpayer) we've now spent £60,000 on the same thing.

    Praise be the cobra effect of everything in the public sector being open to challenge and FOi requests.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,878

    Just remember, it's the public sector that is wasteful.

    (One of the things that has happened since the rise of academies and networks is the creep of some of these values and behaviours into schools- but at a trivial level compared with this.)
    The irony is this.
    The talk was brutal, hilarious, deeply sad. Didn't shy away from the structural. Some heartbreaking reports he'd got. Basically saying if only he didn't display the symptoms of ADHD he'd fit in well.
    Had loads of the staff in tears. Particularly many of the TA's who have their own diagnoses and experiences.
    The Senior Leadership Team weren't there. They were having vital meetings about the budget.
    The teachers who needed to be there weren't there. They weren't interested. They were on exchange jollies with mainstream schools. Where they'll have learned some more techniques for shouting at
    kids to line up and stop fidgeting.
    So on we go.
    To another Monday.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,226
    Joe Biden had a nice job at an Ivy League school: https://www.wionews.com/world/professor-joe-biden-was-paid-1-million-for-never-teaching-a-class-by-university-of-pennsylvania-report-551892

    The Penn president got an interesting job from President Biden: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Gutmann And, who knows, she may be very good at it.

    (Earlier in her career, she founded an "ethics" center at Princeton.)
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,878
    rcs1000 said:

    This was a FTSE 250 Financial Services firm that would, once a year, hold a big event for its key employees, partners, etc. They'd have the CEO give a big gee up speech; a couple of famous people would come and give their views, etc. And then everyone would socialise, etc.

    It probably cost them £1m to host. Which is a lot of money. But it was also an effective marketing tool. You might think Al Gore is a bit of a bore, but for Company X's partners to say "I was with Al Gore last week and he said...", that was invaluable. It was all part of the bullshit that is the financial advisory business.
    The admission that it's actually all bullshit is one of the reasons I have the greatest respect for you.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,552
    'Analysis by the TUC of official figures shows that workers among the top 1% of earners, with an annual income of at least £180,000, were paid 7.9% more than last year, up from 3.7% in January.

    By contrast, those who are paid £59,000 a year saw the rate of their wage rises fall from 7.2% to 5.5% a year, while workers receiving £26,300 a year saw an even bigger fall in annual wage rises, from 9.5% in January to 4.7% in April.

    Last year, the increasing cost of gas and electricity and the higher price of food were blamed for rising inflation.

    But the ONS said May’s 8.7% inflation rate, unchanged from April, was mainly due to a surge in demand for discretionary services, including restaurants, hotels, entertainment and flights abroad.

    More than 1.2 million people work in financial services and several million more in business services, many of them with high levels of disposable income to spend on non-essential items.'
    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/jun/25/union-fury-as-figures-show-pay-rises-among-top-earners-driving-inflation
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,394
    HYUFD said:

    'Analysis by the TUC of official figures shows that workers among the top 1% of earners, with an annual income of at least £180,000, were paid 7.9% more than last year, up from 3.7% in January.

    By contrast, those who are paid £59,000 a year saw the rate of their wage rises fall from 7.2% to 5.5% a year, while workers receiving £26,300 a year saw an even bigger fall in annual wage rises, from 9.5% in January to 4.7% in April.

    Last year, the increasing cost of gas and electricity and the higher price of food were blamed for rising inflation.

    But the ONS said May’s 8.7% inflation rate, unchanged from April, was mainly due to a surge in demand for discretionary services, including restaurants, hotels, entertainment and flights abroad.

    More than 1.2 million people work in financial services and several million more in business services, many of them with high levels of disposable income to spend on non-essential items.'
    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/jun/25/union-fury-as-figures-show-pay-rises-among-top-earners-driving-inflation

    THIRTEEN YEARS OF TORY MIS-RULE!
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,641

    THIRTEEN YEARS OF TORY MIS-RULE!
    I thought you were going to say 'Everything counts in large amounts'!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,394
    edited June 2023

    I thought you were going to say 'Everything counts in large amounts'!
    The handshake seals the contract
    From the contract there's no turning back
    The turning point of a career
    In Korea being insincere
    The holiday was fun packed
    The contract still intact

    The grabbing hands grab all they can
    All for themselves after all
    The grabbing hands grab all they can
    All for themselves after all
    It's a competitive world
    Everything counts in large amounts

    The graph on the wall
    Tells the story of it all
    Picture it now, see just how
    The lies and deceit gained a little more power
    Confidence taken in
    By a sun tan and a grin

    The grabbing hands grab all they can
    All for themselves after all
    The grabbing hands grab all they can
    All for themselves after all
    It's a competitive world
    Everything counts in large amounts

    Everything counts in large amounts

    The grabbing hands grab all they can
    Everything counts in large amounts
    The grabbing hands grab all they can
    Everything counts in large amounts
  • WestieWestie Posts: 426
    edited June 2023
    Rumours abound that Sergei Shoigu and possibly also Valery Gerasimov have been sacked. These are supposedly being spread on pro-government Russian Telegram channels. The Times is spreading the rumour too:

    https://archive.is/bfyql

    If this is true - but it's unlikely to be - it essentially means the Prigozhin rebellion was successful.

    If it were possible to bet on the next Russian president, I'd have invested in Shaman Shoigu. If he has been sacked, FFS! I don't actually believe he has, but who knows? Among other things this would also add weight to the idea that the FSB (meaning Putin but as FSB man not as anything else) controlled both sides of the street in the recent "march on Moscow" shenanigans.

    The Times are wrong to say Prigozhin demanded that Shoigu and Gerasimov be "handed over" to Wagner. He said he wanted them to come and meet him.

    The Times say "Shoigu’s whereabouts are unknown, but there were rumours last night he had been fired or even detained. [,,,] Neither official [Shoigu or Gerasimov] made any public statements during yesterday’s crisis and their whereabouts are unclear." I'd take that with a pinch of salt. Similar rumours were spread about Putin too. But as I said, who knows?

    It's evident knives are out for Shoigu... BUT...

    @Leon note: Shoigu is a collector of rare oriental swords and Aztec sacrificial daggers.

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,848

    Joe Biden had a nice job at an Ivy League school: https://www.wionews.com/world/professor-joe-biden-was-paid-1-million-for-never-teaching-a-class-by-university-of-pennsylvania-report-551892

    The Penn president got an interesting job from President Biden: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Gutmann And, who knows, she may be very good at it.

    (Earlier in her career, she founded an "ethics" center at Princeton.)

    Among my many wrong predictions is that Boris would be given a similarly well-remunerated moose head chair in classics or politics at an American university.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,142

    The handshake seals the contract
    From the contract there's no turning back
    The turning point of a career
    In Korea being insincere
    The holiday was fun packed
    The contract still intact

    The grabbing hands grab all they can
    All for themselves after all
    The grabbing hands grab all they can
    All for themselves after all
    It's a competitive world
    Everything counts in large amounts

    The graph on the wall
    Tells the story of it all
    Picture it now, see just how
    The lies and deceit gained a little more power
    Confidence taken in
    By a sun tan and a grin

    The grabbing hands grab all they can
    All for themselves after all
    The grabbing hands grab all they can
    All for themselves after all
    It's a competitive world
    Everything counts in large amounts

    Everything counts in large amounts

    The grabbing hands grab all they can
    Everything counts in large amounts
    The grabbing hands grab all they can
    Everything counts in large amounts
    This was filmed in West Berlin I think.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t-gK-9EIq4
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,615
    FF43 said:

    Almost every healthcare expert for decades has reckoned there should be more focus on primary care. Their motivations vary, to improve mental health, concerns about social conditions, free up resources for specialised treatment and so on. They may want to manage primary care in different ways, but they are agreed on the basic premise: that's where the priority needs to be.

    Of course the public debate is almost entirely about hospitals.
    IMV the NHS should be split in 4 - primary, chronic, acute and social.

    It’s too large to manage as a single organisation
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,047

    Joe Biden had a nice job at an Ivy League school: https://www.wionews.com/world/professor-joe-biden-was-paid-1-million-for-never-teaching-a-class-by-university-of-pennsylvania-report-551892

    The Penn president got an interesting job from President Biden: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Gutmann And, who knows, she may be very good at it.

    (Earlier in her career, she founded an "ethics" center at Princeton.)

    That's not that uncommon for - say - Supreme Court Justices and former VPs and Presidents. Their job is not to teach, but to enable the University to fund raise more effectively.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,394
    Andy_JS said:

    This was filmed in West Berlin I think.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t-gK-9EIq4
    Yes, they recorded three albums at Hansa in Berlin: Construction Time Again, Some Great Reward, and Black Celebration.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,615
    Miklosvar said:

    If it's bigger than a tenth of an acre it should be asking 80 per week or per month I would have thought.
    Are there any other viable uses?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,615
    rcs1000 said:

    This was a FTSE 250 Financial Services firm that would, once a year, hold a big event for its key employees, partners, etc. They'd have the CEO give a big gee up speech; a couple of famous people would come and give their views, etc. And then everyone would socialise, etc.

    It probably cost them £1m to host. Which is a lot of money. But it was also an effective marketing tool. You might think Al Gore is a bit of a bore, but for Company X's partners to say "I was with Al Gore last week and he said...", that was invaluable. It was all part of the bullshit that is the financial advisory business.
    Said the former partner on a financial advisory business…
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,957

    IMV the NHS should be split in 4 - primary, chronic, acute and social.

    It’s too large to manage as a single organisation
    And then you have multiple intra- and inter-agency coordination committees, and equipment standardisation committees, and liaisons, and meetings, and meetings, an meetings, and multiple specialists, and their PAs,and they all need offices, so now there's planning committees...

    Besides, I think it already works like that: primary is GPs, acute is surgical and A&E (er to Americans), chronic is care homes and social services, social is them plus vaccinations.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,957
    Anyhoo, STWOK is on Film4+1 and they're in the Mutara Nebula, so laters alligators
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,615
    viewcode said:

    And then you have multiple intra- and inter-agency coordination committees, and equipment standardisation committees, and liaisons, and meetings, and meetings, an meetings, and multiple specialists, and their PAs,and they all need offices, so now there's planning committees...

    Besides, I think it already works like that: primary is GPs, acute is surgical and A&E (er to Americans), chronic is care homes and social services, social is them plus vaccinations.
    They are all run as part of 1 organisation (except for care homes which is totally separate with different budget holders).

    They should be run completely separately with NHS E/S/W playing a strategic oversight role.

    The needs and priorities are different as are the resource allocation questions.

    And you don’t need all the committees that you suggested… there are relatively few points where the organisations should overlap… (GP > hospital and hospital > chronic being the main ones).

    Chronic is a new function which doesn’t currently exist - convalescence homes not care homes - but which would resolve the bed blocking issues. Social care is care homes and high acuity nursing homes.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,394
    viewcode said:

    Anyhoo, STWOK is on Film4+1 and they're in the Mutara Nebula, so laters alligators

    I'm laughing at the superior intellect :lol:
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,848
    viewcode said:

    And then you have multiple intra- and inter-agency coordination committees, and equipment standardisation committees, and liaisons, and meetings, and meetings, an meetings, and multiple specialists, and their PAs,and they all need offices, so now there's planning committees...

    Besides, I think it already works like that: primary is GPs, acute is surgical and A&E (er to Americans), chronic is care homes and social services, social is them plus vaccinations.
    If you did want to split up the NHS because it is "too large" then it would make more sense to do it by regions, as is already done between the home nations. Of course, if it turns out that already the Welsh and Scottish NHS perform as badly as the English one, then size is neither the problem nor the cure, so there is no point in yet another reorganisation, or at least not this one.

    One part of the NHS that was broken off under Lansley's reforms is Public Health, which was transferred from the NHS to local authorities. The Covid Inquiry now running might look at whether this helped or hindered our response to the pandemic.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,047

    Said the former partner on a financial advisory business…
    Let's skate over that one, shall we?

    :smile:
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,848
    Scott_xP said:

    @Gabriel_Pogrund
    🚨 In 2020 the Russian embassy told the British government the Kremlin “of course” welcomed a peerage for Evgeny Lebedev

    It said Boris Johnson’s nominee had strengthened UK-Russia ties

    And said he could use Moscow in his title(!)— an unprecedented step

    @Gabriel_Pogrund
    I’ve posted this in light of story breaking tonight. The Queen, it is said, was asked to block Lebedev’s peerage after Boris Johnson ignored repeated warnings he posed a threat to national security.

    https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1673066802195120129

    Boris stretched the rules to give Lord Lebedev his peerage, specifically overruling objections on national security grounds. Did we not already know this? It makes the fuss over Nadine Dorries and Charlotte Owen look like small beer. At least they do not have fathers in Putin's inner circle.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,957

    I'm laughing at the superior intellect :lol:
    I grew up with that film, and I'm impressed and horrified by remembering how old I was when I first saw it and how it looks now. As a period piece for 1980's sci-fi, a lot holds up (the model work and early CGI) and some doesn't - the set design is frequently awful. I don't want to overanalyze it (I lie) as I have to go to bed.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,459
    kle4 said:

    When it comes to Biden, to me he simply comes across as more normal than most of his peers, on his side or the Republicans.

    He's clearly not normal, he's been a political animal for 50 years, but he seems it, at least compared to most in that area.

    Somebody once described American politics as sham populism from elites - in other words, the most successful politicians are those who can fake being your average Joe Sixpack when they're on camera while cutting deals in private rooms in expensive restaurants while laughing at how gullible voters are behind their backs.

    Biden and Bill Clinton are particularly good at that, and over here Blair was a genius at it, and Johnson was pretty good too.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785
    edited June 2023

    If you did want to split up the NHS because it is "too large" then it would make more sense to do it by regions, as is already done between the home nations. Of course, if it turns out that already the Welsh and Scottish NHS perform as badly as the English one, then size is neither the problem nor the cure, so there is no point in yet another reorganisation, or at least not this one.

    One part of the NHS that was broken off under Lansley's reforms is Public Health, which was transferred from the NHS to local authorities. The Covid Inquiry now running might look at whether this helped or hindered our response to the pandemic.
    Indeed the NHS is already broken into many Trusts, so in my patch we have an Acute Hospitals Trust, a Community Trust (psychiatry, District Nurses etc), and an Integrated Care Board (successor to the CCGs, and incorporates some Social Care) and Public Health is part of local government. All for a population of 1.1 million or so.

    Anyone who hasn't noticed that the NHS consists of multiple operating units with different responsibilities clearly knows so little about the structure of the NHS that they can be ignored. Their advice is about as useful as someone suggesting that the Army would be better if it was broken up into units such as logistics, signals, tanks, engineers, medical etc as opposed to one big army blob.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398

    No. I think there should be healthcare, and schools etc but it should evolve depending upon what the voters need.

    Not spend decades planning what was needed decades ago, but is totally obsolete decades later as the facts have changed so much all your plans were based on faulty assumptions.

    The latter is a proven disaster today.
    @BartholomewRoberts would welcome your thoughts on this

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/here-s-what-s-missing-everything-no-schools-and-no-services-but-houses-keep-going-up-20221012-p5bp7o.html


    " The public primary was the size of a country school and now has 19 demountables. The closest shops were 20 minutes away; if she forgot milk, it was a 40-minute round trip, often in traffic. Trains came hourly, even at the peak. Narrow roads were choked. The hospital repeatedly promised for nearby Rouse Hill didn’t exist, and still doesn’t. Meanwhile, the population grows exponentially."... “They knew we were coming. Where did they think we were going to shop? Where did they think our children would go to school? It comes down to better planning. Stop rushing to get people into these houses.”...

    But people moving into those areas say it takes more than a bunch of rapidly constructed houses to create a community. “So here’s what’s missing,” said Angela Van Dyke of the Riverstone Neighbourhood Centre and Community Aid Service. “Everything. Public education. Public transport. Good urban design. Livability.”... Michelle Rowland, the Labor federal member for the north-west seat of Greenway (and also the communications minister), said the problem was due to a long-term failure of different levels of government to coordinate. “Developers, basically, in a lot of aspects, they do have free rein,” she said. “The incentive of the developer is to maximise land use to maximise profit. Which is why you have a lot of residents complaining [about] what normally they’d call overdevelopment, but a lot of it is to do with a lack of trees, a lack of environmental controls, houses are close together, streets are narrow.”


  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,047
    darkage said:

    @BartholomewRoberts would welcome your thoughts on this

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/here-s-what-s-missing-everything-no-schools-and-no-services-but-houses-keep-going-up-20221012-p5bp7o.html


    " The public primary was the size of a country school and now has 19 demountables. The closest shops were 20 minutes away; if she forgot milk, it was a 40-minute round trip, often in traffic. Trains came hourly, even at the peak. Narrow roads were choked. The hospital repeatedly promised for nearby Rouse Hill didn’t exist, and still doesn’t. Meanwhile, the population grows exponentially."... “They knew we were coming. Where did they think we were going to shop? Where did they think our children would go to school? It comes down to better planning. Stop rushing to get people into these houses.”...

    But people moving into those areas say it takes more than a bunch of rapidly constructed houses to create a community. “So here’s what’s missing,” said Angela Van Dyke of the Riverstone Neighbourhood Centre and Community Aid Service. “Everything. Public education. Public transport. Good urban design. Livability.”... Michelle Rowland, the Labor federal member for the north-west seat of Greenway (and also the communications minister), said the problem was due to a long-term failure of different levels of government to coordinate. “Developers, basically, in a lot of aspects, they do have free rein,” she said. “The incentive of the developer is to maximise land use to maximise profit. Which is why you have a lot of residents complaining [about] what normally they’d call overdevelopment, but a lot of it is to do with a lack of trees, a lack of environmental controls, houses are close together, streets are narrow.”


    Presumably he'd say that given the people exist, that is better to have houses and no schools, than to have neither houses nor schools.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    edited June 2023
    rcs1000 said:

    Presumably he'd say that given the people exist, that is better to have houses and no schools, than to have neither houses nor schools.
    @rcs1000

    There is something in that argument , but I don't think that is what he is saying. I think he sees the idea of town planning as being socially destructive and a massive cost with no benefits. The usual libertarian thing. But the contradiction is, that when you go and look at the libertarian societies they hold up as examples they tend to actually be quite well planned, ie Singapore and the USA, there is always an active state authority doing the zoning, brokering the economic development etc. I am pretty sure Japan will come in to this category as well.
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