Options
How LAB could lose my tactical vote in the UK’s tightest marginal – politicalbetting.com
How LAB could lose my tactical vote in the UK’s tightest marginal – politicalbetting.com
I am only just catching up with this which in my view is deeply unpleasant and I would suggest politically naive.
1
This discussion has been closed.
Comments
My view is that this will pick up no red wall voters and slightly deter blue wall prospects.
No-one believes for a second that SKS is a hard-liner on law & order.
Some of us may think the Tories are dangerously woke. But it's offering an, unusual perspective of the Labour Party.
https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1644339059215548416
Martin Bell standing for Tatton? First Independent for nearly half a century.
Struggling with why he would do it in a field.
The other day I mentioned that a rail bridge over the Thames to the south of Oxford has suffered problems. The view from trackside shows just a little dip...
https://twitter.com/PaulCliftonBBC/status/1644354152779198464
This is the sort of idiocy you get when politicians muck about with minimum sentences and these sorts of posters, there is already a second one out about firearms, are exactly the kind of nonsense that encourages witless legislation like that. It is frankly embarrassing that a former DPP doesn't know or more likely doesn't care about that.
'Battle' overstated the drama a tad.
He’s still going, isn’t he?
Elon Musk’s social media site lifts restrictions on Kremlin-linked tweets
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2023/04/07/elon-musk-twitter-lifts-restrictions-putin-kremlin-russia/ (£££)
"Do you think Keir Starmer represents the best hope for a modern progressive Britain? Rishi Sunak doesn't."
Minus 1/3 for a guilty plea and minus half for good behaviour? Or are firearms offences different?
He wants to paint the Tories as soft on crime.
He has a point.
The man won't be able to sell it on two grounds: he has the charisma of a doorstop and it will be completely obvious to his voters within weeks of the election that the transfer of the nation's ever-shrinking pool of wealth to well-off over 50s and the outright rich is going to continue almost exactly as it did under the previous administration.
Labour's polling numbers will be in the toilet within the first six months. We then have a further four-and-a-half years of decay to look forward to before whatever abomination comes next. Not that I'm a total cynic with absolutely zero faith in the ability of the British political class, of course.
After all, if you actually wanted to deal with crime, would you put Suella Braverman and Dominic Raab in charge?
Really?
England is probably different.
The irony is Starmer was on the sentencing council responsible for these laws
@DPJHodges
HuffPost: "Labour officials are unrepentant and are willing to repeat the stunt as the countdown continues next year’s general election. One source said: “Sunak never condemned Johnson when he accused Keir of letting Jimmy Savile off - so f**k him"".
Have they lost their marbles.
10:26 am · 7 Apr 2023"
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1644270343865892864
Turned out the police/prosecution was trying for their own definition of barrel length - where the chamber ends and the barrel begins - used by literally no one else on Earth.
As someone who will be glad to see the back of the Tories this really just makes me think that Labour are no more competent or sensible than the present incumbents.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65211469
This is the second one, which is quite a technical claim. I'd need to unpack that, and find out whether such people qualify in my view as "gunmen"; it's not an offence I've even heard of before, and I though I was au fait with firearms laws to an extent.
To clarify, this is not meant as a compliment.
Cynical and unpleasant but the only response to Tory smears.
The focus group had seven people. One half 2019 Labour voters who were now undecided the other half 2019 Tory voters who are now undecided. These seven people represented the voters of three named constituencies.
Managing to find three and a half Labour voters who had become undecided must have taken some doing. Let alone three and a half who represented hundreds of thousands of voters.
Apparently they did a previous one which suggested being heavy handed on Law and Order was the way to go. I really wouldn't recommend reading anything into the findings of this most bizarrely put together focus group
Frankly I am astonished he allowed such an advertisement and is no better than Braverman in this respect
This is Labour descending into gutter politics when with 20% leads they had no need
My wife has listened to the report just now on Sky and is astonished and livid about it and she is not political
https://twitter.com/TLDRNewsUK/status/1644308699911974914?t=nQ_PrEzLSzAf3cAQbVQKrw&s=19
If politicians take sentencing authority away from Judges, and you get absurdly harsh sentences like this.
And if they don't, you have situations like the other trial you prosecuted, where the guy who raped a 13 year old, and didn't get a prison sentence.
Could you (or do you) have a process where Judges have authority, but there are regular reviews to make sure that sentences are 90% of the time falling within guidelines?
And Labour's leader was on the committee that changed those sentencing guidelines to imprison fewer offenders
Sir Keir has boxed himself in to a shit ton of new wallpaper
I know it works, and that’s why they do it, but when I hear otherwise smart MPs spout this kind of garbage about whatever crime particularly exercises them, I just see it as cynical.
These kind of binaries rarely survive contact with the actual criminal justice system.
The exercising of justice has to be nuanced.
I do wonder if this, in part, is down to negative feedback in labour focus groups from Keir’s commitment to reduce violence against women by 50%.
“Why only 50%?”
I’d guess was a common response.
So that has been at the back of their mind when framing these attack ads.
Just a guess as to the thought process behind them.
If voters want b****** trolls from hell government, they might as well vote for the real thing. OGH has made the point very succinctly.
It’s a notably degraded service now.
Even my “Following” tab is being swamped with junk and I can sense my usage declining week on week.
Echoes of the way that, in lead-up to 1997, Labour benefited from the that era's Tory sleaze, culminating in the Battle of Knutsford Heath, the site & subject of Cookie's timely posting & photo.
... isn't it the case that these stats (starting in 2010) include 3.5 years when Rishi Sunak wasn't even an MP, while Keir Starmer was the Director of Public Prosecutions?
Seems an odd thing to concentrate on, but either way this sort of gutter politics faking the signature of your opposite number etc and putting the independence of the judiciary in dispute has no place in politics in the United Kingdom.
I think he's going to struggle in a GE campaign against a more competent opponent
To the extent he has any interest in criminal justice, it’s only as a dog whistle to attack others. He has no concrete, workable plans himself, and is not likely to put forward any.
If I was being bitchy, I’d add that he is personally responsible for one of the biggest frauds seen in modern governance, ie PPE.
Of late, it's dropped meaningfully. Why? I don't know. It's not because of Musk's actions as CEO, but mostly, I think because I now only use the Following tab (which means I don't get angry so much), but also means I don't see that many intersting things.
There's an irony here. The reason that people thought their views* were being ignored is because Twitter's algorithm thrived on "engagement". I.e., people arguing.
Musk implemented Following, so you'd only see things you agreed with. The voices complaining about censorship dried up. But so did the engagement.
Of course, if I'd been included in the list of most influential people on Twitter over the age of Fifty, I might have a different opinion.
* i.e. views from people who agreed with them
If you look at recent cases, like the Couzens case, and many others; the offender pleaded guilty and still got a whole life sentence. Lots of cases have come through where it is 'life', often with a ridiculously long minimum term.
What will happen next is that dangerous criminals won't co-operate at all with the police or the justice system at all and then, because of this, it will be more difficult to prosecute them because of the lack of evidence from the defendent, and more will ultimately escape justice, because when something goes to court it has to be proved 'beyond reasonable doubt'.
This seems to be a lesson that has been learned in the past and will now need to be very painfully learned again, it is just history repeating itself.
Methinks the Tories doth protest too much.
He would not have signed off these posters
How many people actually knew before today that sentencing guidelines were produced by an independent committee and that Starmer was part of that decision making process? Now everyone knows it.
It is a stupid and unnecessary own goal.
The “British Pakistani gangs” is/was an astonishing low point in British public debate and Rishi was all too happy to line up behind it with his “slideware”.
I expect the conservative counter to these adverts is going to raise many difficult questions for Starmer himself
This is that. Then the focus became Tory police number cuts.
It doesn’t matter that the Tories used similar smears against Starmer, you do not fight smears with smears.
https://twitter.com/OzKaterji/status/1644295498700840960?cxt=HHwWgICzneqC29EtAAAA
Edit
This MP is bold though.
Lee Anderson lecturing about dogwhistle politics is just too much. I am dead 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
https://twitter.com/residentadviser/status/1644255378312396800?cxt=HHwWgICwhcLjyNEtAAAA
I had you down as a Corrie-holic.
I haven’t seen it since about 1991.
I was gladdened though to discover that it was one of Bob Dylan’s favourite shows.
The left will love that
Come and join the Tory party!
https://youtu.be/dhtZ1zMEKyI
I genuinely believe that until the early 90s (when it went to three, and then five days a week) it was meaningful cultural treasure.
I recall an entire episode which was a sly homage to Harold Pinter.
Ongoing support for more of the same is a gamble on the rotten national edifice collapsing only after one is safely dead, essentially.
"New Labour, New Danger!" and the "Demon Eyes"
Result of this election, replaces conservative majority on the court, with progressive one, which will have many local impacts including the likely-overturning of Republican legislative AND congressional gerrymanders.
PLUS the implications for 2024 presidential AND congressional races, in Wisconsin AND beyond.
FYI, Trump blamed (fellow) loser for NOT campaigning as full-blown MAGA-maniac. In fact, one of the nails in his coffin, was his advocacy of Trump's attempted 2020 election steal, including attempting to overturn the vote of the people of . . . wait for it . . . Wisconsin.
However, that was only one nail. The other being repeal of Roe v. Wade.
And, regardless of whom Republican Party nominates in 2024 for President, THAT is a nail that Democrats will keep on pounding home with voters.