The dramatic change in the polls since SKS became leader – politicalbetting.com

kle4 said:

Jim_Miller said:

FPT: For some years I have been worrying about the conflicts of interest often found in two-career political families. For example, when Hillary Clinton became secretary of state, I thought that the Clinton Foundation should have stopped taking contributions from other nations. (Spoiler: They didn't.)

Many of our rules were made assuming just one bread winner. (Usually a man, but sometimes a widow, or a woman who has always been single.)

It looks as if the little problem you are having in Scotland may be -- among other things -- another example of that problem.

(And no, I don't have any simple solution to the problem.)

It seems simple enough - the couple in question needs to decide who and what to prioritise, if in positions which could lead to conflicts, rather than just brazen it out on the basis that they are different and it doesn't matter.

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

The police digging up Sturgeon's garden

I still can't even

Maybe they're helping her dig over her vegetable patch for this year.

carnforth said:

What is with the awful rectangular flashing above that bay window? Not only a boring modern house, but a badly built one.

carnforth said:

What is with the awful rectangular flashing above that bay window? Not only a boring modern house, but a badly built one.

Leon said:

The Walsall child sex abuse case is grotesque. It sounds like abuse within families over multiple generations. Like something from darkest Appalachia

Malmesbury said:

Foxy said:

Malmesbury said:

noneoftheabove said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheKitchenCabinet said:

Mexicanpete said:

noneoftheabove said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Meanwhile, another Pakistani men paedophile ring has been jailed. Thank goodness the Home Secretary has spoken out calling for more action, otherwise of these Pakistani men will be at it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-65189785.amp

Not just the home secretary, pbs finest protectors of vulnerable young girls have been posting furiously about this scandal all day. Just with invisible ink.

When they all eventually serve their sentences and are released, repatriate them back from whence they came! Er, Walsall...

Mexicanpete said:

noneoftheabove said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Meanwhile, another Pakistani men paedophile ring has been jailed. Thank goodness the Home Secretary has spoken out calling for more action, otherwise of these Pakistani men will be at it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-65189785.amp

Not just the home secretary, pbs finest protectors of vulnerable young girls have been posting furiously about this scandal all day. Just with invisible ink.

When they all eventually serve their sentences and are released, repatriate them back from whence they came! Er, Walsall...

Isn't this just the flip side though of what you've accused the other side of doing in banging on about the ethnic angle? "Oh look, it's a white gang! Not all British-Pakistanis!". What happened to the kids is secondary.

Yes it's almost as if the focus should be on the victims instead of the ethnicity of the nonces.

The attention also needs to be on the government and Home Secretary as they are the ones with the power to reduce the chances of this happening (it will probably never be eliminated).

Mrs May kicked this off by ordering that *all* cases be investigated.

Which got the clipboard types going - since they could no longer ignore "difficult" or "problematic" cases.

In quite a few cases, it seems that the issue was that it was *too common* - since this happened all the time, the clipboardistas saw this as normality....

Did she?

When Starmer called for mandatory reporting of sex abuse claims in 2013, while DPP, the government wasn't keen. May was Home Sec as I remember.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/nov/04/child-abuse-keir-starmer-prosecute-professionals?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

What kicked it off was the allegations against a number of leading ex-politicians. While that case proved to be bullshit, May ordered the police to investigate *all* reports.

This did lead, for a short period of time, to various people shouting "No, not *those* allegations."

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

A Tory MP offered to table parliamentary questions, leak a confidential policy document and lobby ministers on behalf of gambling industry investors who proposed paying him thousands of pounds a month, an undercover investigation for The Times has found.

Scott Benton, the MP for Blackpool South, was prepared to help an investment fund influence policymakers and obtain “behind the scenes” information despite rules prohibiting MPs from lobbying in return for payment.

He was secretly filmed by undercover reporters posing as investors with interest in the betting and gaming industry who were looking for an adviser.

During a meeting at a central London hotel early last month, Benton outlined how he was willing to use his position to help their business and try to water down proposed gambling reforms. The MP:

•Guaranteed he could leak a copy of a forthcoming white paper on gambling reforms to the company at least 48 hours before it went public, potentially allowing them to profit from market-sensitive information.

•Offered to submit parliamentary questions and said he had done it on behalf of companies before.

•Boasted of his “easy access to ministers” and said he was prepared to “literally sit outside” a minister’s office if the company needed an urgent answer to a question.

•Claimed many MPs who accepted corporate hospitality were willing to table a written question or make a point during oral questions in return.

•Said he could “call in favours” from colleagues who would be happy to support the company’s interests and offered to host a dinner at the House of Commons.

MPs have long been banned from acting as paid lobbyists and accepting money to raise issues with ministers or ask questions in parliament on behalf of clients.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tory-mp-scott-benton-lobbying-investigation-ckhzrfqg0

By election in Blackpool South I reckon.

When will they learn that if an offer seems to be too good to be true, it almost always is?

Easy Labour gain, so they may just suspend him and wait for the next election.

kle4 said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Casino_Royale said:

Cookie said:

Casino_Royale said:

CarlottaVance said:

And the tide turns...

Good news. DfE @educationgovuk will no longer be conflating gender identity and sex in data collection.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1148628/CBDS_RFC_1233_-_Sex_and_Gender_Identity.pdf

https://twitter.com/ProfAliceS/status/1643611039257198604?s=20

Woke is collapsing in on itself. Simply delightful.

I honestly don't think it is, sadly.
Perhaps the cause of woke is advancing less fast. But it's everywhere.
I mean, I just looked up from writing this and saw this:

It's the start of a trend. These bullshit flags are everywhere but although people show them no-one really takes them seriously.

It just says, "Oh, look at me! I'm inclusive!"

Doesn't really mean anything.

Serious question. If it doesn't mean anything then why does it bother you? I am certainly no admirer of the current 'woke' debate when it has real world physical consequences in terms of removal of statues or changing books. But when it comes to people putting up flags to show their support for a particular issue - even if it is one I disagree with - then I really don't see why anyone should be hassled by that. Clearly the companies feel there is mileage in doing this and my attitude is good luck to them.

People really do need to stop being offended by stuff so much. And that applies equally to the 'woke' and the 'anti-woke'

People can signal their virtue by displaying a flag (or deliberately not displaying one) or what have, there's no point getting worked up about that. Actual law and policy changes which are harmful or nonsensical should be the focus.

Foxy said:

Malmesbury said:

Foxy said:

Malmesbury said:

noneoftheabove said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheKitchenCabinet said:

Mexicanpete said:

noneoftheabove said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Meanwhile, another Pakistani men paedophile ring has been jailed. Thank goodness the Home Secretary has spoken out calling for more action, otherwise of these Pakistani men will be at it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-65189785.amp

Not just the home secretary, pbs finest protectors of vulnerable young girls have been posting furiously about this scandal all day. Just with invisible ink.

When they all eventually serve their sentences and are released, repatriate them back from whence they came! Er, Walsall...

Mexicanpete said:

noneoftheabove said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Meanwhile, another Pakistani men paedophile ring has been jailed. Thank goodness the Home Secretary has spoken out calling for more action, otherwise of these Pakistani men will be at it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-65189785.amp

Not just the home secretary, pbs finest protectors of vulnerable young girls have been posting furiously about this scandal all day. Just with invisible ink.

When they all eventually serve their sentences and are released, repatriate them back from whence they came! Er, Walsall...

Isn't this just the flip side though of what you've accused the other side of doing in banging on about the ethnic angle? "Oh look, it's a white gang! Not all British-Pakistanis!". What happened to the kids is secondary.

Yes it's almost as if the focus should be on the victims instead of the ethnicity of the nonces.

The attention also needs to be on the government and Home Secretary as they are the ones with the power to reduce the chances of this happening (it will probably never be eliminated).

Mrs May kicked this off by ordering that *all* cases be investigated.

Which got the clipboard types going - since they could no longer ignore "difficult" or "problematic" cases.

In quite a few cases, it seems that the issue was that it was *too common* - since this happened all the time, the clipboardistas saw this as normality....

Did she?

When Starmer called for mandatory reporting of sex abuse claims in 2013, while DPP, the government wasn't keen. May was Home Sec as I remember.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/nov/04/child-abuse-keir-starmer-prosecute-professionals?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

What kicked it off was the allegations against a number of leading ex-politicians. While that case proved to be bullshit, May ordered the police to investigate *all* reports.

This did lead, for a short period of time, to various people shouting "No, not *those* allegations."

Yes, the authorities seemed very reluctant to investigate cases in the Anglican, Catholic and independent churches, or in the Royal Family. Cultural sensitivities, I expect.

Taz said:

Leon said:

The Walsall child sex abuse case is grotesque. It sounds like abuse within families over multiple generations. Like something from darkest Appalachia

Or that island in the pacific.

Malmesbury said:

Taz said:

Leon said:

The Walsall child sex abuse case is grotesque. It sounds like abuse within families over multiple generations. Like something from darkest Appalachia

Or that island in the pacific.

Pitcairn

Eabhal said:

New builds are a disaster. My home town has been plastered with them and they regularly get flooded by standing water. In Scotland ffs.

Eabhal said:

New builds are a disaster. My home town has been plastered with them and they regularly get flooded by standing water. In Scotland ffs.

glw said:

Casino_Royale said:

It's the start of a trend. These bullshit flags are everywhere but although people show them no-one really takes them seriously.

It just says, "Oh, look at me! I'm inclusive!"

Doesn't really mean anything.

It really means nothing. There are so many multinationals that fly rainbow flags and use rainbow branding that simultaneously operate in countries that are antithetical to the supposed beliefs of the company. If you operate in Saudi Arabia don't even bother pretending you really care about equal rights for LGBT people.

glw said:

Casino_Royale said:

It's the start of a trend. These bullshit flags are everywhere but although people show them no-one really takes them seriously.

It just says, "Oh, look at me! I'm inclusive!"

Doesn't really mean anything.

It really means nothing. There are so many multinationals that fly rainbow flags and use rainbow branding that simultaneously operate in countries that are antithetical to the supposed beliefs of the company. If you operate in Saudi Arabia don't even bother pretending you really care about equal rights for LGBT people.

Malmesbury said:

Eabhal said:

New builds are a disaster. My home town has been plastered with them and they regularly get flooded by standing water. In Scotland ffs.

Some years back, in Abingdon, someone wanted to build some houses by the river. Cognisant of the regular flooding in the area, the design had an elevated roadway running to the houses, which were (in effect) elevated a story up on columns. All services to be suitably arranged.

This was blocked on the grounds that the design made it look like flooding was an issue in the area.

Given that it floods every other year….

kle4 said:

Malmesbury said:

Eabhal said:

New builds are a disaster. My home town has been plastered with them and they regularly get flooded by standing water. In Scotland ffs.

Some years back, in Abingdon, someone wanted to build some houses by the river. Cognisant of the regular flooding in the area, the design had an elevated roadway running to the houses, which were (in effect) elevated a story up on columns. All services to be suitably arranged.

This was blocked on the grounds that the design made it look like flooding was an issue in the area.

Given that it floods every other year….

Developers can be very good at flood mitigation and drainage, which is one reason locals can be so disappointed when 'it floods round here' does not always work as an refusal, but it makes the areas where they have failed to mitigate (or not been required to mitigate) all the more of a problem, since they manage it all the time.

glw said:

CatMan said:

glw said:

Casino_Royale said:

It's the start of a trend. These bullshit flags are everywhere but although people show them no-one really takes them seriously.

It just says, "Oh, look at me! I'm inclusive!"

Doesn't really mean anything.

It really means nothing. There are so many multinationals that fly rainbow flags and use rainbow branding that simultaneously operate in countries that are antithetical to the supposed beliefs of the company. If you operate in Saudi Arabia don't even bother pretending you really care about equal rights for LGBT people.

*Cough* Formula One *Cough*

All sports really nowadays. There is a huge amount of sportswashing by nasty regimes from all over the world.

CatMan said:

OT: Been watching the IPL and they're using DRS to check for Wides. It won't be long until they don't bother with on-field umpires at all!

CatMan said:

OT: Been watching the IPL and they're using DRS to check for Wides. It won't be long until they don't bother with on-field umpires at all!

Malmesbury said:

glw said:

CatMan said:

glw said:

Casino_Royale said:

It's the start of a trend. These bullshit flags are everywhere but although people show them no-one really takes them seriously.

It just says, "Oh, look at me! I'm inclusive!"

Doesn't really mean anything.

It really means nothing. There are so many multinationals that fly rainbow flags and use rainbow branding that simultaneously operate in countries that are antithetical to the supposed beliefs of the company. If you operate in Saudi Arabia don't even bother pretending you really care about equal rights for LGBT people.

*Cough* Formula One *Cough*

All sports really nowadays. There is a huge amount of sportswashing by nasty regimes from all over the world.

{LeBron James has entered the chat, with a wheelbarrow full of Chinese money}

TheScreamingEagles said:

Labour leads by 19% in the Red Wall.

Red Wall VI (3 April):

Labour 49% (+1)
Conservative 30% (-2)
Reform UK 9% (+1)
Liberal Democrat 6% (–)
Green 4% (–)
Plaid Cymru 1% (–)
Other 1% (-1)

Changes +/- 19 March

Starmer leads Sunak by 6%.

At this moment, which of the following do Red Wall voters think would be the better PM for the UK? (3 April)

Starmer 41% (+6)
Sunak 35% (-2)
Don't Know 24% (-4)

Changes +/- 19 March

Labour most trusted on EVERY issue in the Red Wall.

Party Trustworthiness (3 April):

Who do Red Wall voters trust the most on...? (Lab | Con)

NHS (40% | 19%)
Housing (37% | 19%)
Economy (33% | 26%)
Immigration (31% | 22%)
Ukraine (30% | 28%)

https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton

Taz said:

TheKitchenCabinet said:

Mexicanpete said:

noneoftheabove said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Meanwhile, another Pakistani men paedophile ring has been jailed. Thank goodness the Home Secretary has spoken out calling for more action, otherwise of these Pakistani men will be at it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-65189785.amp

Not just the home secretary, pbs finest protectors of vulnerable young girls have been posting furiously about this scandal all day. Just with invisible ink.

When they all eventually serve their sentences and are released, repatriate them back from whence they came! Er, Walsall...

Mexicanpete said:

noneoftheabove said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Meanwhile, another Pakistani men paedophile ring has been jailed. Thank goodness the Home Secretary has spoken out calling for more action, otherwise of these Pakistani men will be at it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-65189785.amp

Not just the home secretary, pbs finest protectors of vulnerable young girls have been posting furiously about this scandal all day. Just with invisible ink.

When they all eventually serve their sentences and are released, repatriate them back from whence they came! Er, Walsall...

Isn't this just the flip side though of what you've accused the other side of doing in banging on about the ethnic angle? "Oh look, it's a white gang! Not all British-Pakistanis!". What happened to the kids is secondary.

I’ve just made a similar point. The victims are what should concern us here.

Taz said:

Labour Party election broadcast tonight. Focussed on law and order.

Yet more talking tough. Seems like they are trying to take on the Tories who are making the running on this.

TheKitchenCabinet said:

Leon said:

williamglenn said:

Shock poll from France:

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1643630500857118721

France, Elabe poll:

Presidential run-off election

Le Pen (RN-ID): 55% (+14)
Macron (RE-RE): 45% (-14)

+/- vs. 2022 election

Le Pen has a very good chance of winning in the next elex

The thing is Macron has spent no time, mmm, grooming a successor. It's been all about him.

bigjohnowls said:

On Topic LAB: 46.4% (+6.3) compared to GE 2017 with Swingback still to come

SKSWNBPM

TheKitchenCabinet said:

Leon said:

williamglenn said:

Shock poll from France:

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1643630500857118721

France, Elabe poll:

Presidential run-off election

Le Pen (RN-ID): 55% (+14)
Macron (RE-RE): 45% (-14)

+/- vs. 2022 election

Le Pen has a very good chance of winning in the next elex

The thing is Macron has spent no time, mmm, grooming a successor. It's been all about him.

Roger said:

Foxy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Labour leads by 19% in the Red Wall.

Red Wall VI (3 April):

Labour 49% (+1)
Conservative 30% (-2)
Reform UK 9% (+1)
Liberal Democrat 6% (–)
Green 4% (–)
Plaid Cymru 1% (–)
Other 1% (-1)

Changes +/- 19 March

Starmer leads Sunak by 6%.

At this moment, which of the following do Red Wall voters think would be the better PM for the UK? (3 April)

Starmer 41% (+6)
Sunak 35% (-2)
Don't Know 24% (-4)

Changes +/- 19 March

Labour most trusted on EVERY issue in the Red Wall.

Party Trustworthiness (3 April):

Who do Red Wall voters trust the most on...? (Lab | Con)

NHS (40% | 19%)
Housing (37% | 19%)
Economy (33% | 26%)
Immigration (31% | 22%)
Ukraine (30% | 28%)

https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton

Dirty sleazy Tories on the slide...

Interesting PPB tonight by Labour tonight clearly aimed at the Red Wall. Dull in itself but EXTREMELY effective in response to the Sunak /Braverman tour of Rochdale yesterday.

Otherwise notable only for the presenter dropping the 'T' on ParTy. Twice

TimS said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Labour leads by 19% in the Red Wall.

Red Wall VI (3 April):

Labour 49% (+1)
Conservative 30% (-2)
Reform UK 9% (+1)
Liberal Democrat 6% (–)
Green 4% (–)
Plaid Cymru 1% (–)
Other 1% (-1)

Changes +/- 19 March

Starmer leads Sunak by 6%.

At this moment, which of the following do Red Wall voters think would be the better PM for the UK? (3 April)

Starmer 41% (+6)
Sunak 35% (-2)
Don't Know 24% (-4)

Changes +/- 19 March

Labour most trusted on EVERY issue in the Red Wall.

Party Trustworthiness (3 April):

Who do Red Wall voters trust the most on...? (Lab | Con)

NHS (40% | 19%)
Housing (37% | 19%)
Economy (33% | 26%)
Immigration (31% | 22%)
Ukraine (30% | 28%)

https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton

Remarkable scores on Ukraine and Immigration. Having said that with 9% saying REF and only 4% Green I suppose the real Lab:Con percentages come a GE are around 51%/37%

Though Lab may well get Lib Dem tactical voters in those constituencies.

TimS said:

stodge said:

Taz said:

Labour Party election broadcast tonight. Focussed on law and order.

Yet more talking tough. Seems like they are trying to take on the Tories who are making the running on this.

That’s the 43% who trust Labour on crime and policing in the Red Wall against the 34% who trust the Conservatives.

Labour can talk about law and order.

Labour can be accused of a lot of things but being soft on law and order isn’t one that’s going to stick. They’re a highly authoritarian party which is one of the main reasons I’m a Lib Dem.

After 13 years of policing cuts and a justice system in chaos (and of course basic police incompetence) the Tories go on law and order at their peril.

Their strongest hopes for wedge issues are probably ones where the government record isn’t a factor, like the trans debate and…well that’s about it. Everything else they might wish to frighten people about Labour with is now a busted flush due to their own record or external circumstances: tax rates, migration, Brexit, economic growth, Corbyn, policing, even the nefarious influence of the omnipotent SNP

Roger said:

Leon said:

The Walsall child sex abuse case is grotesque. It sounds like abuse within families over multiple generations. Like something from darkest Appalachia

It shows the crassness of trying to link rape cases to ethnicity as Sunak and Braverman did yesterday backed up today by a really vile article by Alison Pearson in the Telegraph

stodge said:

Taz said:

Labour Party election broadcast tonight. Focussed on law and order.

Yet more talking tough. Seems like they are trying to take on the Tories who are making the running on this.

That’s the 43% who trust Labour on crime and policing in the Red Wall against the 34% who trust the Conservatives.

Labour can talk about law and order.

Roger said:

Casino_Royale said:

CarlottaVance said:

And the tide turns...

Good news. DfE @educationgovuk will no longer be conflating gender identity and sex in data collection.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1148628/CBDS_RFC_1233_-_Sex_and_Gender_Identity.pdf

https://twitter.com/ProfAliceS/status/1643611039257198604?s=20

Woke is collapsing in on itself. Simply delightful.

I think exactly the opposite is happening. Try looking through the advertising journal 'Campaign'. Advertisers make their living being up to the minute and 'Woke' as you call it is moving at an extraordinary rate. There's seldom a campaign which isn't progressively 'woke' and the number of campaigns which might have been used just ten years ago but wouldn't see the light of day today is about 70%

Foxy said:

Malmesbury said:

noneoftheabove said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheKitchenCabinet said:

Mexicanpete said:

noneoftheabove said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Meanwhile, another Pakistani men paedophile ring has been jailed. Thank goodness the Home Secretary has spoken out calling for more action, otherwise of these Pakistani men will be at it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-65189785.amp

Not just the home secretary, pbs finest protectors of vulnerable young girls have been posting furiously about this scandal all day. Just with invisible ink.

When they all eventually serve their sentences and are released, repatriate them back from whence they came! Er, Walsall...

Mexicanpete said:

noneoftheabove said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Meanwhile, another Pakistani men paedophile ring has been jailed. Thank goodness the Home Secretary has spoken out calling for more action, otherwise of these Pakistani men will be at it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-65189785.amp

Not just the home secretary, pbs finest protectors of vulnerable young girls have been posting furiously about this scandal all day. Just with invisible ink.

When they all eventually serve their sentences and are released, repatriate them back from whence they came! Er, Walsall...

Isn't this just the flip side though of what you've accused the other side of doing in banging on about the ethnic angle? "Oh look, it's a white gang! Not all British-Pakistanis!". What happened to the kids is secondary.

Yes it's almost as if the focus should be on the victims instead of the ethnicity of the nonces.

The attention also needs to be on the government and Home Secretary as they are the ones with the power to reduce the chances of this happening (it will probably never be eliminated).

Mrs May kicked this off by ordering that *all* cases be investigated.

Which got the clipboard types going - since they could no longer ignore "difficult" or "problematic" cases.

In quite a few cases, it seems that the issue was that it was *too common* - since this happened all the time, the clipboardistas saw this as normality....

Did she?

When Starmer called for mandatory reporting of sex abuse claims in 2013, while DPP, the government wasn't keen. May was Home Sec as I remember.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/nov/04/child-abuse-keir-starmer-prosecute-professionals?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Casino_Royale said:

A lot of Woke is just self-love and showing off.

Fuck off you insecure needy self-obsessed twat.

If you've done anything good in life let your actions and virtue be your result. You never show off about it - my Dad taught me that, that's the sign of a dickhead - you shut up and get on with it, and let others recognise you for it.

Otherwise all you really care about is yourself. Not them.

Eabhal said:

New builds are a disaster. My home town has been plastered with them and they regularly get flooded by standing water. In Scotland ffs.

Sean_F said:

Casino_Royale said:

Sean_F said:

kle4 said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Casino_Royale said:

Cookie said:

Casino_Royale said:

CarlottaVance said:

And the tide turns...

Good news. DfE @educationgovuk will no longer be conflating gender identity and sex in data collection.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1148628/CBDS_RFC_1233_-_Sex_and_Gender_Identity.pdf

https://twitter.com/ProfAliceS/status/1643611039257198604?s=20

Woke is collapsing in on itself. Simply delightful.

I honestly don't think it is, sadly.
Perhaps the cause of woke is advancing less fast. But it's everywhere.
I mean, I just looked up from writing this and saw this:

It's the start of a trend. These bullshit flags are everywhere but although people show them no-one really takes them seriously.

It just says, "Oh, look at me! I'm inclusive!"

Doesn't really mean anything.

Serious question. If it doesn't mean anything then why does it bother you? I am certainly no admirer of the current 'woke' debate when it has real world physical consequences in terms of removal of statues or changing books. But when it comes to people putting up flags to show their support for a particular issue - even if it is one I disagree with - then I really don't see why anyone should be hassled by that. Clearly the companies feel there is mileage in doing this and my attitude is good luck to them.

People really do need to stop being offended by stuff so much. And that applies equally to the 'woke' and the 'anti-woke'

People can signal their virtue by displaying a flag (or deliberately not displaying one) or what have, there's no point getting worked up about that. Actual law and policy changes which are harmful or nonsensical should be the focus.

Agreed, but “woke capitalism” is a case of “the louder he talked of his honour, the faster we counted our spoons”.

Giving a few thousand to Stonewall is like buying indulgences.

My experience has been precisely this.

The worst leaders I've worked for in my career have been the most publicly "Wokey", which is one reason I have such contempt for it. I don't respect it.

People think that must mean I'm a secret bigot. Nothing could be further from the truth and then need to see through - and not be taken in - by such shallowness or my contempt will extend to them too.

You get banks with dirty reputations flying rainbow flags, companies that boast of their “ethical credentials” employing children in poor countries, turning a blind eye to sexual harassment, or routing their profits through tax havens..

The worst I know was a truly horrid law firm called MacMillan Williams, which has thankfully gone
bankrupt. They were so woke that on their very extensive diversity monitoring forms, they were asking intrusive questions about peoples’ sexual practices.

Foxy said:

Sean_F said:

Casino_Royale said:

Sean_F said:

kle4 said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Casino_Royale said:

Cookie said:

Casino_Royale said:

CarlottaVance said:

And the tide turns...

Good news. DfE @educationgovuk will no longer be conflating gender identity and sex in data collection.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1148628/CBDS_RFC_1233_-_Sex_and_Gender_Identity.pdf

https://twitter.com/ProfAliceS/status/1643611039257198604?s=20

Woke is collapsing in on itself. Simply delightful.

I honestly don't think it is, sadly.
Perhaps the cause of woke is advancing less fast. But it's everywhere.
I mean, I just looked up from writing this and saw this:

It's the start of a trend. These bullshit flags are everywhere but although people show them no-one really takes them seriously.

It just says, "Oh, look at me! I'm inclusive!"

Doesn't really mean anything.

Serious question. If it doesn't mean anything then why does it bother you? I am certainly no admirer of the current 'woke' debate when it has real world physical consequences in terms of removal of statues or changing books. But when it comes to people putting up flags to show their support for a particular issue - even if it is one I disagree with - then I really don't see why anyone should be hassled by that. Clearly the companies feel there is mileage in doing this and my attitude is good luck to them.

People really do need to stop being offended by stuff so much. And that applies equally to the 'woke' and the 'anti-woke'

People can signal their virtue by displaying a flag (or deliberately not displaying one) or what have, there's no point getting worked up about that. Actual law and policy changes which are harmful or nonsensical should be the focus.

Agreed, but “woke capitalism” is a case of “the louder he talked of his honour, the faster we counted our spoons”.

Giving a few thousand to Stonewall is like buying indulgences.

My experience has been precisely this.

The worst leaders I've worked for in my career have been the most publicly "Wokey", which is one reason I have such contempt for it. I don't respect it.

People think that must mean I'm a secret bigot. Nothing could be further from the truth and then need to see through - and not be taken in - by such shallowness or my contempt will extend to them too.

You get banks with dirty reputations flying rainbow flags, companies that boast of their “ethical credentials” employing children in poor countries, turning a blind eye to sexual harassment, or routing their profits through tax havens..

The worst I know was a truly horrid law firm called MacMillan Williams, which has thankfully gone
bankrupt. They were so woke that on their very extensive diversity monitoring forms, they were asking intrusive questions about peoples’ sexual practices.

There are still significant issues with sexism and racism in the NHS, and more to be done, but things are far, far better then they were 3 decades ago.

turbotubbs said:

Roger said:

Leon said:

The Walsall child sex abuse case is grotesque. It sounds like abuse within families over multiple generations. Like something from darkest Appalachia

It shows the crassness of trying to link rape cases to ethnicity as Sunak and Braverman did yesterday backed up today by a really vile article by Alison Pearson in the Telegraph

Does anyone seriously dispute that most child sex abuse in the U.K. is by whites? Simply by the majority population. But there has been a particular type of crime associated with groups of largely Pakistani origin men. I note that the current case is very different to those cases, being much more family based.

I don’t get why some people find it difficult to accept that there has been, and probably still is, an issue with a minority of Pakistani men. Saying doesn’t mean diminish in any way the horror of all other sexual abuse.

Richard_Tyndall said:

Casino_Royale said:

Cookie said:

Casino_Royale said:

CarlottaVance said:

And the tide turns...

Good news. DfE @educationgovuk will no longer be conflating gender identity and sex in data collection.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1148628/CBDS_RFC_1233_-_Sex_and_Gender_Identity.pdf

https://twitter.com/ProfAliceS/status/1643611039257198604?s=20

Woke is collapsing in on itself. Simply delightful.

I honestly don't think it is, sadly.
Perhaps the cause of woke is advancing less fast. But it's everywhere.
I mean, I just looked up from writing this and saw this:

It's the start of a trend. These bullshit flags are everywhere but although people show them no-one really takes them seriously.

It just says, "Oh, look at me! I'm inclusive!"

Doesn't really mean anything.

Serious question. If it doesn't mean anything then why does it bother you? I am certainly no admirer of the current 'woke' debate when it has real world physical consequences in terms of removal of statues or changing books. But when it comes to people putting up flags to show their support for a particular issue - even if it is one I disagree with - then I really don't see why anyone should be hassled by that. Clearly the companies feel there is mileage in doing this and my attitude is good luck to them.

People really do need to stop being offended by stuff so much. And that applies equally to the 'woke' and the 'anti-woke'

kle4 said:

TOPPING said:

kle4 said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Casino_Royale said:

Cookie said:

Casino_Royale said:

CarlottaVance said:

And the tide turns...

Good news. DfE @educationgovuk will no longer be conflating gender identity and sex in data collection.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1148628/CBDS_RFC_1233_-_Sex_and_Gender_Identity.pdf

https://twitter.com/ProfAliceS/status/1643611039257198604?s=20

Woke is collapsing in on itself. Simply delightful.

I honestly don't think it is, sadly.
Perhaps the cause of woke is advancing less fast. But it's everywhere.
I mean, I just looked up from writing this and saw this:

It's the start of a trend. These bullshit flags are everywhere but although people show them no-one really takes them seriously.

It just says, "Oh, look at me! I'm inclusive!"

Doesn't really mean anything.

Serious question. If it doesn't mean anything then why does it bother you? I am certainly no admirer of the current 'woke' debate when it has real world physical consequences in terms of removal of statues or changing books. But when it comes to people putting up flags to show their support for a particular issue - even if it is one I disagree with - then I really don't see why anyone should be hassled by that. Clearly the companies feel there is mileage in doing this and my attitude is good luck to them.

People really do need to stop being offended by stuff so much. And that applies equally to the 'woke' and the 'anti-woke'

People can signal their virtue by displaying a flag (or deliberately not displaying one) or what have, there's no point getting worked up about that. Actual law and policy changes which are harmful or nonsensical should be the focus.

Virtue = presumably against queer bashing, discrimination, etc, in this instance.

The bastards.

I don't use virtue signalling as an inherently negative term. We display our virtue in various ways all the time, for good reason.

That's why I made clear that someone might display their own perceived virtue by deliberate unadoption of specific signifiers for example. People virtue signal with a flag, or they might virtue signal by posting on twitter they are against a flag. I don't mind people doing either, nor corporations. The latter might end up looking silly if they are full on Ben and Jerrys, but that's their choice, and most will simply take uncontroversial inclusive stances.

Whether someone displays their virtue should not do more than annoy, depending on one's own virtues. Getting mad about it is silly.

Roger said:

Leon said:

The Walsall child sex abuse case is grotesque. It sounds like abuse within families over multiple generations. Like something from darkest Appalachia

It shows the crassness of trying to link rape cases to ethnicity as Sunak and Braverman did yesterday backed up today by a really vile article by Alison Pearson in the Telegraph

algarkirk said:

stodge said:

Taz said:

Labour Party election broadcast tonight. Focussed on law and order.

Yet more talking tough. Seems like they are trying to take on the Tories who are making the running on this.

That’s the 43% who trust Labour on crime and policing in the Red Wall against the 34% who trust the Conservatives.

Labour can talk about law and order.

It seems to me that in UK politics today there are two outstandingly 'lucky generals' in Napoleon's sense - both way ahead of the rest

They are SKS and Kate Forbes.

However another even more ancient concept, as Boris discovered a bit after Hartlepool, comes into play; the Wheel of Fortune - much loved by Chaucer. But when?

Roger said:

Foxy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Labour leads by 19% in the Red Wall.

Red Wall VI (3 April):

Labour 49% (+1)
Conservative 30% (-2)
Reform UK 9% (+1)
Liberal Democrat 6% (–)
Green 4% (–)
Plaid Cymru 1% (–)
Other 1% (-1)

Changes +/- 19 March

Starmer leads Sunak by 6%.

At this moment, which of the following do Red Wall voters think would be the better PM for the UK? (3 April)

Starmer 41% (+6)
Sunak 35% (-2)
Don't Know 24% (-4)

Changes +/- 19 March

Labour most trusted on EVERY issue in the Red Wall.

Party Trustworthiness (3 April):

Who do Red Wall voters trust the most on...? (Lab | Con)

NHS (40% | 19%)
Housing (37% | 19%)
Economy (33% | 26%)
Immigration (31% | 22%)
Ukraine (30% | 28%)

https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton

Dirty sleazy Tories on the slide...

Interesting PPB tonight by Labour tonight clearly aimed at the Red Wall. Dull in itself but EXTREMELY effective in response to the Sunak /Braverman tour of Rochdale yesterday.

Otherwise notable only for the presenter dropping the 'T' on ParTy. Twice

darkage said:

It seems like a bad sign that businesses feel the need to make these political statements. It is evidence of polarisation in the public sphere. On a slightly different side of the political debate, Wetherspoons were peddling pro Brexit propoganda for a long time and it was mildly annoying in the same way as businesses that are now trying to jump on to the 'woke' bandwagon.

I wouldn't avoid either wetherspoons or wagamama, but I have a lot more respect towards businesses that stay neutral, it feels like they are more genuinely inclusive.

noneoftheabove said:

Leon said:

noneoftheabove said:

turbotubbs said:

Roger said:

Leon said:

The Walsall child sex abuse case is grotesque. It sounds like abuse within families over multiple generations. Like something from darkest Appalachia

It shows the crassness of trying to link rape cases to ethnicity as Sunak and Braverman did yesterday backed up today by a really vile article by Alison Pearson in the Telegraph

Does anyone seriously dispute that most child sex abuse in the U.K. is by whites? Simply by the majority population. But there has been a particular type of crime associated with groups of largely Pakistani origin men. I note that the current case is very different to those cases, being much more family based.

I don’t get why some people find it difficult to accept that there has been, and probably still is, an issue with a minority of Pakistani men. Saying doesn’t mean diminish in any way the horror of all other sexual abuse.

The issue is that this is the only thing the government focuses on when protecting vulnerable children. It is a small percent of the answer and they say and do nothing to fix the rest.

Why are they so fixated on this issue? It is not because of protecting children or else they would have taken other steps including providing much better funding a decade since the Jay report.

Estimates of the numbers of victims of “Asian grooming” go from the high tens of thousands to one million. Literally one million

The idea this is a really small subset of a much bigger problem is odd, in that light

Well if it is a million, which it clearly isn't, then it is surely even worse that the government are not allocating resources to tackle the issue? Is it not?