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  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,764
    RodCrosby said:

    Brooks Newmark has been caught in another scandal by the Sun on Sunday.

    He's quitting as an MP at the election now

    Wait a minute. He'd already stated he was quitting at the next election...

    Surely he should be quitting NOW?
    It depends. The original story was unusual in that the people who should most have been in the dock were the 'journalist' who got the story, and the paper that printed it.

    I'm treating this story with a certain amount of suspicion until we get more information. Guido's been going after Newmark to protect his friend, so who knows what's been dredged up ...
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited October 2014
    HYUFD said:

    Sad to hear about the Brooks Newmark news, having campaigned in Braintree for him in 2001 when Labour narrowly held on. The town itself is lower middle/working class, ideal UKIP terrain with a significant Labour vote, but many of the surrounding villages are more prosperous and more likely to stick with the Tories

    With no incumbent MP for the Tories now, UKIP probably are have a serious chance in gaining Braintree.
  • dr_spyn said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Voters, not the politicians, are out of touch' - Classic Matthew Parris in today's Times (behind Paywall)
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4233442.ece

    After the uprising of June 17th
    The Secretary of the Authors' Union
    Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee
    Which said that the people
    Had forfeited the government's confidence
    And could only win it back
    By redoubled labour. Wouldn't it
    Be simpler in that case if the government
    Dissolved the people and
    Elected another?

    Parris is being a tit.
    Parris has completely lost the plot. He's a great recruiting Sergeant for UKIP!
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    HYUFD said:

    The Opinium survey will be almost entirely before Heywood, so UKIP will have hit the Tories most when they are clearly now hitting Labour too, Opinium also has UKIP higher than other pollsters. Even so, 35% is no great triumph for Miliband either and they are on only 32% with ICM

    7% Labour lead spells disaster for Ed!
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,063

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    MattW said:

    RodCrosby said:

    @surbiton

    It is inconceivable that Con or Lab would form a UK coalition government with

    i) any of the NI parties [the risk of fallout for the peace process]

    ii) SNP, a regional separatist party [inconceivable the SNP would join, for the same reason]

    More informal arrangements are perfectly possible though.

    Hmm. Tories worked with them in Scotland.

    But the SNP just became incredibly unpredictable, since they are 75% brand new members.

    I don't think anyone knows what the SNP is now.

    Perhaps we should start calling them the "Pretender Party".
    What a halfwit, you are obviously not right in the head. They have not changed one iota.
    Afternoon malc. just what we need a bit of Scotland to bring some calm and reasoned debate back to PB. These southern boys just all resort to name calling. ;-)
    Will soon sort them out Alan. We will soon be discussing the 2017 referendum on independence debate so will just be boring for a short while.
    I can't wait. What will you be promising this time ? How about invading England ? ;-)
    Free deep fried mars bars and irn bru for life if you can prove you voted YES.
    we'll let you go independent if you;ll take George Osborne off our hands.
    Typical bloody Ulsterman starts off asking for too little. They can go independent iff they take Osborne and Cameron.
    I was going to offer Cameron to France for us leaving the EU. They'd both feel happier.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,680
    edited October 2014
    Talking of Sun stories on politicians, today it says Roger Helmer visited a massage parlour to celebrate Clacton win. Typical Sun headline 'Did MEP have happy ending too?'
    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5988139/Ukip-MEP-visits-massage-parlour-after-Clacton-victory.html
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Speedy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    David Wooding ‏@DavidWooding 3m3 minutes ago
    BREAKING: Shamed Tory Brooks Newmark to quit as MP after fresh sex scandal. See The Sun on Sunday exclusive tomorrow http://bit.ly/1p1moDo

    By election?

    Braintree is in Essex not far away from Clacton.
    Interesting...

    Ladbrokes halved UKIPs braintree odds at lunchtime.

    http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/braintree/winning-party/bet-history/ukip/today
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  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,063

    dr_spyn said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Voters, not the politicians, are out of touch' - Classic Matthew Parris in today's Times (behind Paywall)
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4233442.ece

    After the uprising of June 17th
    The Secretary of the Authors' Union
    Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee
    Which said that the people
    Had forfeited the government's confidence
    And could only win it back
    By redoubled labour. Wouldn't it
    Be simpler in that case if the government
    Dissolved the people and
    Elected another?

    Parris is being a tit.
    Parris has completely lost the plot. He's a great recruiting Sergeant for UKIP!
    Really ? Most voters won't have a clue who he is.
  • Tim Montgomerie ‏@TimMontgomerie

    This is persuasive: UKIP will hurt Tories (& therefore Euroscepticism) most, not Labour, at the election http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/the-lessons-of-clacton-and-heywood-why-ukip-will-damage-the-tories-in-2015-but-may-ultimately-harm-labour/ … via @epkaufm

    The irony of that post is that poor old Tim Montgomerie still seems to think that the Tories are some sort of guardians of British Euroscepticism when in reality they are nothing of the sort.....
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited October 2014
    Current odds for Braintree:

    CON 1/33 (from 1/100 this afternoon)
    UKIP 10/1 (up from 20/1 this afternoon probably from someone with inside info)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,680
    Isam No surprise there then
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,680
    Dr Spyn Well he certainly knows how to provoke
  • Tim Montgomerie ‏@TimMontgomerie

    This is persuasive: UKIP will hurt Tories (& therefore Euroscepticism) most, not Labour, at the election http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/the-lessons-of-clacton-and-heywood-why-ukip-will-damage-the-tories-in-2015-but-may-ultimately-harm-labour/ … via @epkaufm

    The irony of that post is that poor old Tim Montgomerie still seems to think that the Tories are some sort of guardians of British Euroscepticism when in reality they are nothing of the sort.....
    The report is written by one Eric Kauffman

    I am Professor of Politics at Birkbeck College, University of London, UK. Though a native of Vancouver, British Columbia, I was born in Hong Kong and spent eight early years of my life in Tokyo. In winter, my favourite pastimes are (ice) hockey and skiing. In summer, cooling off in the ocean or by the lake. I am principally interested in cultural politics: ethnicity, national identity and religion.

    Another immigrant trying to tell us what we are thinking.......
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,680
    Speedy UKIP will have a chance yes

    Sterotomy Will see what other polls bring
  • dr_spyn said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Voters, not the politicians, are out of touch' - Classic Matthew Parris in today's Times (behind Paywall)
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4233442.ece

    After the uprising of June 17th
    The Secretary of the Authors' Union
    Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee
    Which said that the people
    Had forfeited the government's confidence
    And could only win it back
    By redoubled labour. Wouldn't it
    Be simpler in that case if the government
    Dissolved the people and
    Elected another?

    Parris is being a tit.
    Parris has completely lost the plot. He's a great recruiting Sergeant for UKIP!
    Really ? Most voters won't have a clue who he is.
    You seem to forget Parris has been a broadcaster for many decades and an MP. He will be far better known than many of the newspaper political commentators. His Clacton comments got quite a lot of attention too!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Parris
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    I am really puzzled by these polls. I do not want to use the word "accuse" but the recent movements in the polls have been all too convenient.

    I did not think the Tories should have got a bounce just because of one speech promising 7bn of tax cuts , without telling us where it will come from.

    And, hey presto, another bounce back to Labour, again without any particular reason.

    The Survation numbers are just pie in the sky.

    The trouble with online polls is that they have too many fiddling factors .
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