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Do you have anything to say about betting or information that might be useful to anyone interested in betting?logical_song said:
Maybe.isam said:
Haha the second one was a wind up to trick people like you!!! kerching!logical_song said:
Maybe he saw this:Swiss_Bob said:
I'll leave other people to judge but it was Wodger who conflated UKIP with the BNP, a fückwitted bunch of National Socialists, most of whom were Labour party members, or since the party collapsed returned to the Labour party because they're not welcome in UKIP.logical_song said:"Bedwetter or here to smear?"
Is that not a smear?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hitler-praised-as-magnetic-and-forceful-speaker-by-ukip-mep-9659626.html
or
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/may/01/ukip-nazi-row-photoshops-hitler
What about the first one?
Tell me how well you do on this quiz:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/quiz/2014/may/19/quiz-bnp-ukip-quotes-who-said-what0 -
Anyone who wants a career in politics will have accept things with which they disagree: Ministers who continually throw their toys out of the pram are not highly prized in Downing Street. What Greening should have done is asked for another post right at the start, since any MP with an IQ above room temperature must already have known the policy. This list, if it existed at all, sounds like career-minded arse-covering.HurstLlama said:
If that is true about Greening then I have even less respect for her. If she disagreed with the policy set for the department of which she is supposed to be in charge then her proper course would have been to resign. That she didn't indicates a serious weakness of character.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Llama, my understanding is that she drew up a list of nonsense aid to be cut, but was told from the top (of government, not by civil servants) that was contrary to government policy.
Anyway, a chap can have fevered dreams about a 50/1 shot coming in.
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No, I like this. Let's expose the BNP/UKIP links.isam said:
Give up mate you've shown how desperate you are already xlogical_song said:
Maybe.isam said:
Haha the second one was a wind up to trick people like you!!! kerching!logical_song said:
Maybe he saw this:Swiss_Bob said:
I'll leave other people to judge but it was Wodger who conflated UKIP with the BNP, a fückwitted bunch of National Socialists, most of whom were Labour party members, or since the party collapsed returned to the Labour party because they're not welcome in UKIP.logical_song said:"Bedwetter or here to smear?"
Is that not a smear?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hitler-praised-as-magnetic-and-forceful-speaker-by-ukip-mep-9659626.html
or
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/may/01/ukip-nazi-row-photoshops-hitler
What about the first one?
Tell me how well you do on this quiz:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/quiz/2014/may/19/quiz-bnp-ukip-quotes-who-said-what
Now, I really like this one. Isn't Neil Hamiilton one of the leading lights in UKIP (please reply to this I'd love to dig up some of his history).
UKIP attracts 'decent' BNP voters, says Neil Hamilton
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27177864
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Do as you please... you have just provided the daily reminder that people on here are so eager to smear UKIP that they are prepared to make fools of themselves by not reading the articles they link tological_song said:
No, I like this. Let's expose the BNP/UKIP links.isam said:
Give up mate you've shown how desperate you are already xlogical_song said:
Maybe.isam said:
Haha the second one was a wind up to trick people like you!!! kerching!logical_song said:
Maybe he saw this:Swiss_Bob said:
I'll leave other people to judge but it was Wodger who conflated UKIP with the BNP, a fückwitted bunch of National Socialists, most of whom were Labour party members, or since the party collapsed returned to the Labour party because they're not welcome in UKIP.logical_song said:"Bedwetter or here to smear?"
Is that not a smear?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hitler-praised-as-magnetic-and-forceful-speaker-by-ukip-mep-9659626.html
or
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/may/01/ukip-nazi-row-photoshops-hitler
What about the first one?
Tell me how well you do on this quiz:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/quiz/2014/may/19/quiz-bnp-ukip-quotes-who-said-what
Now, I really like this one. Isn't Neil Hamiilton one of the leading lights in UKIP (please reply to this I'd love to dig up some of his history).
UKIP attracts 'decent' BNP voters, says Neil Hamilton
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27177864
Well done!0 -
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This is a great article on bullying, sex abuse and retribution in generation 2.0
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/is-the-internet-generation-finally-coming-unstuck0 -
Are you claiming there's no such thing as people who used the BNP as a protest vote ?logical_song said:
No, I like this. Let's expose the BNP/UKIP links.isam said:
Give up mate you've shown how desperate you are already xlogical_song said:
Maybe.isam said:
Haha the second one was a wind up to trick people like you!!! kerching!logical_song said:
Maybe he saw this:Swiss_Bob said:
I'll leave other people to judge but it was Wodger who conflated UKIP with the BNP, a fückwitted bunch of National Socialists, most of whom were Labour party members, or since the party collapsed returned to the Labour party because they're not welcome in UKIP.logical_song said:"Bedwetter or here to smear?"
Is that not a smear?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hitler-praised-as-magnetic-and-forceful-speaker-by-ukip-mep-9659626.html
or
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/may/01/ukip-nazi-row-photoshops-hitler
What about the first one?
Tell me how well you do on this quiz:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/quiz/2014/may/19/quiz-bnp-ukip-quotes-who-said-what
Now, I really like this one. Isn't Neil Hamiilton one of the leading lights in UKIP (please reply to this I'd love to dig up some of his history).
UKIP attracts 'decent' BNP voters, says Neil Hamilton
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-271778640 -
A defining moment for Labour.The authoritarian Blairite sect want to make Labour UKIP-lite,failing to understand this threatens Labour's crutch of red liberals or liberal reds who could give the party the win.Should the authoritarian Blairites win,expect Labour's polling to reduce and the call for Tony Blair,the Messiah,to return will be irresistable.0
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It's Britains 'Most Read Political Blog' so the more we talk about UKIP and their right wing friends the better.isam said:
Do as you please... you have just provided the daily reminder that people on here are so eager to smear UKIP that they are prepared to make fools of themselves by not reading the articles they link tological_song said:
No, I like this. Let's expose the BNP/UKIP links.isam said:
Give up mate you've shown how desperate you are already xlogical_song said:
Maybe.isam said:
Haha the second one was a wind up to trick people like you!!! kerching!logical_song said:
Maybe he saw this:Swiss_Bob said:
I'll leave other people to judge but it was Wodger who conflated UKIP with the BNP, a fückwitted bunch of National Socialists, most of whom were Labour party members, or since the party collapsed returned to the Labour party because they're not welcome in UKIP.logical_song said:"Bedwetter or here to smear?"
Is that not a smear?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hitler-praised-as-magnetic-and-forceful-speaker-by-ukip-mep-9659626.html
or
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/may/01/ukip-nazi-row-photoshops-hitler
What about the first one?
Tell me how well you do on this quiz:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/quiz/2014/may/19/quiz-bnp-ukip-quotes-who-said-what
Now, I really like this one. Isn't Neil Hamiilton one of the leading lights in UKIP (please reply to this I'd love to dig up some of his history).
UKIP attracts 'decent' BNP voters, says Neil Hamilton
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27177864
Well done!
I read all the articles, I'm interested in the facts. At the bottom it said:
"The row follows the suspension of a Ukip candidate in Somerset after photos were published of him apparently making a Nazi salute. Alex Wood, 22, claimed that he was simply reaching out for a friend's mobile phone during a Halloween party". So why did UKIP suspend the poor chap for reaching for his friend's phone?0 -
And you are too thick to use Google to do so?logical_song said:
Isn't Neil Hamiilton one of the leading lights in UKIP (please reply to this I'd love to dig up some of his history).isam said:
Give up mate you've shown how desperate you are already xlogical_song said:
Maybe.isam said:
Haha the second one was a wind up to trick people like you!!! kerching!logical_song said:
Maybe he saw this:Swiss_Bob said:
I'll leave other people to judge but it was Wodger who conflated UKIP with the BNP, a fückwitted bunch of National Socialists, most of whom were Labour party members, or since the party collapsed returned to the Labour party because they're not welcome in UKIP.logical_song said:"Bedwetter or here to smear?"
Is that not a smear?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hitler-praised-as-magnetic-and-forceful-speaker-by-ukip-mep-9659626.html
or
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/may/01/ukip-nazi-row-photoshops-hitler
What about the first one?
Tell me how well you do on this quiz:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/quiz/2014/may/19/quiz-bnp-ukip-quotes-who-said-what
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Should have read it more carefully the first time shouldn't you hahahalogical_song said:
It's Britains 'Most Read Political Blog' so the more we talk about UKIP and their right wing friends the better.isam said:
Do as you please... you have just provided the daily reminder that people on here are so eager to smear UKIP that they are prepared to make fools of themselves by not reading the articles they link tological_song said:
No, I like this. Let's expose the BNP/UKIP links.isam said:
Give up mate you've shown how desperate you are already xlogical_song said:
Maybe.isam said:
Haha the second one was a wind up to trick people like you!!! kerching!logical_song said:
Maybe he saw this:Swiss_Bob said:
I'll leave other people to judge but it was Wodger who conflated UKIP with the BNP, a fückwitted bunch of National Socialists, most of whom were Labour party members, or since the party collapsed returned to the Labour party because they're not welcome in UKIP.logical_song said:"Bedwetter or here to smear?"
Is that not a smear?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hitler-praised-as-magnetic-and-forceful-speaker-by-ukip-mep-9659626.html
or
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/may/01/ukip-nazi-row-photoshops-hitler
What about the first one?
Tell me how well you do on this quiz:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/quiz/2014/may/19/quiz-bnp-ukip-quotes-who-said-what
Now, I really like this one. Isn't Neil Hamiilton one of the leading lights in UKIP (please reply to this I'd love to dig up some of his history).
UKIP attracts 'decent' BNP voters, says Neil Hamilton
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27177864
Well done!
I read all the articles, I'm interested in the facts. At the bottom it said:
"The row follows the suspension of a Ukip candidate in Somerset after photos were published of him apparently making a Nazi salute. Alex Wood, 22, claimed that he was simply reaching out for a friend's mobile phone during a Halloween party". So why did UKIP suspend the poor chap for reaching for his friend's phone?-1 -
Is this what the UKIP guy said about Hitler's speaking technique?isam said:
Haha the second one was a wind up to trick people like you!!! kerching!logical_song said:
Maybe he saw this:Swiss_Bob said:
I'll leave other people to judge but it was Wodger who conflated UKIP with the BNP, a fückwitted bunch of National Socialists, most of whom were Labour party members, or since the party collapsed returned to the Labour party because they're not welcome in UKIP.logical_song said:"Bedwetter or here to smear?"
Is that not a smear?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hitler-praised-as-magnetic-and-forceful-speaker-by-ukip-mep-9659626.html
or
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/may/01/ukip-nazi-row-photoshops-hitler
"Look at Hitler, if you can bear it, and see his hypnotic quality. First the long, excruciating pause before he speaks; and then see how he begins so softly - with his arms folded - and how he uncoils them as his voice starts to rise, and then the awful jabbing fluidity of his gestures, perfectly timed to intensify the crescendos of his speech.
"Yes, he has some paper on the table in front: but he hardly refers to it. He seems to be speaking entirely without notes. See the effect on his audience: the happy beams on the faces of the young women, the shouts from the men, and the way their arms rise as one to salute him like the fronds of some huge undersea creature.
"Listen to the way he brings them all to their collective climax: with short verbless phrases – grammatically meaningless, but full of suggestive power."
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isam said:logical_song said:
No. By the way, I'm not smearing anyone, just giving the facts.isam said:
Should have read it more carefully the first time shouldn't you hahahalogical_song said:isam said:
No, I like this. Let's expose the BNP/UKIP links.logical_song said:
Give up mate you've shown how desperate you are already xisam said:
Maybe.logical_song said:
Haha the second one was a wind up to trick people like you!!! kerching!Swiss_Bob said:
I'll leave other people to judge but it was Wodger who conflated UKIP with the BNPlogical_song said:"Bedwetter or here to smear?"
Is that not a smear?
Maybe he saw this:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hitler-praised-as-magnetic-and-forceful-speaker-by-ukip-mep-9659626.html
or
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/may/01/ukip-nazi-row-photoshops-hitler
What about the first one?
Tell me how well you do on this quiz:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/quiz/2014/may/19/quiz-bnp-ukip-quotes-who-said-what
Now, I really like this one. Isn't Neil Hamiilton one of the leading lights in UKIP (please reply to this I'd love to dig up some of his history).
UKIP attracts 'decent' BNP voters, says Neil Hamilton
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27177864
It's Britains 'Most Read Political Blog' so the more we talk about UKIP and their right wing friends the better.
I read all the articles, I'm interested in the facts. At the bottom it said:
"The row follows the suspension of a Ukip candidate in Somerset after photos were published of him apparently making a Nazi salute. Alex Wood, 22, claimed that he was simply reaching out for a friend's mobile phone during a Halloween party". So why did UKIP suspend the poor chap for reaching for his friend's phone?
Now as promised some of Neil Hamilton's history:
from http://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/2014/apr/21/neil-hamilton-ukip-christine-nigel-farage
It's debatable whether Neil Hamilton has any skeletons left in his cupboards, given the graveyard that dances around him. There is, of course, the cash-for-questions affair he was embroiled in while MP for Tatton in the 1990s – a scandal which led him to resign from his post as a minister in John Major's government, and eventually leave parliament in disgrace, synonymous with sleaze. There is the libel suit he brought against the Guardian, which he abandoned the day before the trial was due to start in 1996, and many other embarrassing incidents in the years since.0 -
They're like Piranhas!
Watch this. It'll take your minds off Neil Hamilton and unsavory friends
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHX-4cKEQH4
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ISAM is 8300 posts ahead of me. I apologise for my last post which broke the character count limit. So you may have missed:Roger said:They're like Piranhas!
Watch this. It'll take your minds off Neil Hamilton and unsavory friends
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHX-4cKEQH4
Now as promised some of Neil Hamilton's history:
from http://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/2014/apr/21/neil-hamilton-ukip-christine-nigel-farage
It's debatable whether Neil Hamilton has any skeletons left in his cupboards, given the graveyard that dances around him. There is, of course, the cash-for-questions affair he was embroiled in while MP for Tatton in the 1990s – a scandal which led him to resign from his post as a minister in John Major's government, and eventually leave parliament in disgrace, synonymous with sleaze. There is the libel suit he brought against the Guardian, which he abandoned the day before the trial was due to start in 1996, and many other embarrassing incidents in the years since.0 -
Oh look, you can use Google. Thing is, so can the rest of us (although we know who Neil Hamilton is anyway). So why not stop embarrassing yourself?logical_song said:
ISAM is 8300 posts ahead of me. I apologise for my last post which broke the character count limit. So you may have missed:Roger said:They're like Piranhas!
Watch this. It'll take your minds off Neil Hamilton and unsavory friends
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHX-4cKEQH4
Now as promised some of Neil Hamilton's history:
from http://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/2014/apr/21/neil-hamilton-ukip-christine-nigel-farage
It's debatable whether Neil Hamilton has any skeletons left in his cupboards, given the graveyard that dances around him. There is, of course, the cash-for-questions affair he was embroiled in while MP for Tatton in the 1990s – a scandal which led him to resign from his post as a minister in John Major's government, and eventually leave parliament in disgrace, synonymous with sleaze. There is the libel suit he brought against the Guardian, which he abandoned the day before the trial was due to start in 1996, and many other embarrassing incidents in the years since.
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Your point being ?logical_song said:
ISAM is 8300 posts ahead of me. I apologise for my last post which broke the character count limit. So you may have missed:Roger said:They're like Piranhas!
Watch this. It'll take your minds off Neil Hamilton and unsavory friends
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHX-4cKEQH4
Now as promised some of Neil Hamilton's history:
from http://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/2014/apr/21/neil-hamilton-ukip-christine-nigel-farage
It's debatable whether Neil Hamilton has any skeletons left in his cupboards, given the graveyard that dances around him. There is, of course, the cash-for-questions affair he was embroiled in while MP for Tatton in the 1990s – a scandal which led him to resign from his post as a minister in John Major's government, and eventually leave parliament in disgrace, synonymous with sleaze. There is the libel suit he brought against the Guardian, which he abandoned the day before the trial was due to start in 1996, and many other embarrassing incidents in the years since.0 -
Ah, you're a crusader, here to smite the ungodly. Good luck.logical_song said:
It's Britains 'Most Read Political Blog' so the more we talk about UKIP and their right wing friends the better.isam said:
Do as you please... you have just provided the daily reminder that people on here are so eager to smear UKIP that they are prepared to make fools of themselves by not reading the articles they link tological_song said:
No, I like this. Let's expose the BNP/UKIP links.isam said:
Give up mate you've shown how desperate you are already xlogical_song said:
Maybe.isam said:
Haha the second one was a wind up to trick people like you!!! kerching!logical_song said:
Maybe he saw this:Swiss_Bob said:
I'll leave other people to judge but it was Wodger who conflated UKIP with the BNP, a fückwitted bunch of National Socialists, most of whom were Labour party members, or since the party collapsed returned to the Labour party because they're not welcome in UKIP.logical_song said:"Bedwetter or here to smear?"
Is that not a smear?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hitler-praised-as-magnetic-and-forceful-speaker-by-ukip-mep-9659626.html
or
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/may/01/ukip-nazi-row-photoshops-hitler
What about the first one?
Tell me how well you do on this quiz:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/quiz/2014/may/19/quiz-bnp-ukip-quotes-who-said-what
Now, I really like this one. Isn't Neil Hamiilton one of the leading lights in UKIP (please reply to this I'd love to dig up some of his history).
UKIP attracts 'decent' BNP voters, says Neil Hamilton
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27177864
Well done!
I read all the articles, I'm interested in the facts. At the bottom it said:
"The row follows the suspension of a Ukip candidate in Somerset after photos were published of him apparently making a Nazi salute. Alex Wood, 22, claimed that he was simply reaching out for a friend's mobile phone during a Halloween party". So why did UKIP suspend the poor chap for reaching for his friend's phone?
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Most people would know what the BNP stood for and they could protest by voting for one of the three main parties (depending on who they were protesting about), the Greens plenty of others depending on where in the country you live, even UKIP.Alanbrooke said:
Are you claiming there's no such thing as people who used the BNP as a protest vote ?logical_song said:
No, I like this. Let's expose the BNP/UKIP links.isam said:
Give up mate you've shown how desperate you are already xlogical_song said:
Maybe.isam said:
Haha the second one was a wind up to trick people like you!!! kerching!logical_song said:
Maybe he saw this:Swiss_Bob said:
I'll leave other people to judge but it was Wodger who conflated UKIP with the BNP, a fückwitted bunch of National Socialists, most of whom were Labour party members, or since the party collapsed returned to the Labour party because they're not welcome in UKIP.logical_song said:"Bedwetter or here to smear?"
Is that not a smear?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hitler-praised-as-magnetic-and-forceful-speaker-by-ukip-mep-9659626.html
or
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/may/01/ukip-nazi-row-photoshops-hitler
What about the first one?
Tell me how well you do on this quiz:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/quiz/2014/may/19/quiz-bnp-ukip-quotes-who-said-what
Now, I really like this one. Isn't Neil Hamiilton one of the leading lights in UKIP (please reply to this I'd love to dig up some of his history).
UKIP attracts 'decent' BNP voters, says Neil Hamilton
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27177864
So pretty much I am saying that there's very few who would have used the BNP as a protest vote.0 -
I've got to say the quality of trolling has really gone downhill since Friday.Swiss_Bob said:
Ah, you're a crusader, here to smite the ungodly. Good luck.logical_song said:
It's Britains 'Most Read Political Blog' so the more we talk about UKIP and their right wing friends the better.isam said:
Do as you please... you have just provided the daily reminder that people on here are so eager to smear UKIP that they are prepared to make fools of themselves by not reading the articles they link tological_song said:
No, I like this. Let's expose the BNP/UKIP links.isam said:
Give up mate you've shown how desperate you are already xlogical_song said:
Maybe.isam said:
Haha the second one was a wind up to trick people like you!!! kerching!logical_song said:
Maybe he saw this:Swiss_Bob said:
I'll leave other people to judge but it was Wodger who conflated UKIP with the BNP, a fückwitted bunch of National Socialists, most of whom were Labour party members, or since the party collapsed returned to the Labour party because they're not welcome in UKIP.logical_song said:"Bedwetter or here to smear?"
Is that not a smear?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hitler-praised-as-magnetic-and-forceful-speaker-by-ukip-mep-9659626.html
or
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/may/01/ukip-nazi-row-photoshops-hitler
What about the first one?
Tell me how well you do on this quiz:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/quiz/2014/may/19/quiz-bnp-ukip-quotes-who-said-what
Now, I really like this one. Isn't Neil Hamiilton one of the leading lights in UKIP (please reply to this I'd love to dig up some of his history).
UKIP attracts 'decent' BNP voters, says Neil Hamilton
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27177864
Well done!
I read all the articles, I'm interested in the facts. At the bottom it said:
"The row follows the suspension of a Ukip candidate in Somerset after photos were published of him apparently making a Nazi salute. Alex Wood, 22, claimed that he was simply reaching out for a friend's mobile phone during a Halloween party". So why did UKIP suspend the poor chap for reaching for his friend's phone?0 -
ThanksSwiss_Bob said:
Ah, you're a crusader, here to smite the ungodly. Good luck.logical_song said:
It's Britains 'Most Read Political Blog' so the more we talk about UKIP and their right wing friends the better.isam said:
Do as you please... you have just provided the daily reminder that people on here are so eager to smear UKIP that they are prepared to make fools of themselves by not reading the articles they link tological_song said:
No, I like this. Let's expose the BNP/UKIP links.isam said:
Give up mate you've shown how desperate you are already xlogical_song said:
Maybe.isam said:
Haha the second one was a wind up to trick people like you!!! kerching!logical_song said:
Maybe he saw this:Swiss_Bob said:
I'll leave other people to judge but it was Wodger who conflated UKIP with the BNP, a fückwitted bunch of National Socialists, most of whom were Labour party members, or since the party collapsed returned to the Labour party because they're not welcome in UKIP.logical_song said:"Bedwetter or here to smear?"
Is that not a smear?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hitler-praised-as-magnetic-and-forceful-speaker-by-ukip-mep-9659626.html
or
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/may/01/ukip-nazi-row-photoshops-hitler
What about the first one?
Tell me how well you do on this quiz:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/quiz/2014/may/19/quiz-bnp-ukip-quotes-who-said-what
Now, I really like this one. Isn't Neil Hamiilton one of the leading lights in UKIP (please reply to this I'd love to dig up some of his history).
UKIP attracts 'decent' BNP voters, says Neil Hamilton
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27177864
Well done!
I read all the articles, I'm interested in the facts. At the bottom it said:
"The row follows the suspension of a Ukip candidate in Somerset after photos were published of him apparently making a Nazi salute. Alex Wood, 22, claimed that he was simply reaching out for a friend's mobile phone during a Halloween party". So why did UKIP suspend the poor chap for reaching for his friend's phone?0 -
Le Bob
"Ah, you're a crusader, here to smite the ungodly. Good luck."
Too many of you. What chance does he have. Strange echoes of the Scottish YES campaign and the aggression from the nationalists.0 -
Why dont you and the illogical one tone it down then? Its not you being trolled or called NazisRoger said:Le Bob
"Ah, you're a crusader, here to smite the ungodly. Good luck."
Too many of you. What chance does he have. Strange echoes of the Scottish YES campaign and the aggression from the nationalists.0 -
In the NUM heartland of Barnsley 17% of the electorate voted BNP in the 2009 europeans. Are you claiming Barnsley is a hot bed of racism or is it just that that was the best way of sticking two fingers up at a disniterested government ?logical_song said:
Most people would know what the BNP stood for and they could protest by voting for one of the three main parties (depending on who they were protesting about), the Greens plenty of others depending on where in the country you live, even UKIP.Alanbrooke said:
Are you claiming there's no such thing as people who used the BNP as a protest vote ?logical_song said:
No, I like this. Let's expose the BNP/UKIP links.isam said:
Give up mate you've shown how desperate you are already xlogical_song said:
Maybe.isam said:
Haha the second one was a wind up to trick people like you!!! kerching!logical_song said:
Maybe he saw this:Swiss_Bob said:
I'll leave other people to judge but it was Wodger who conflated UKIP with the BNP, a fückwitted bunch of National Socialists, most of whom were Labour party members, or since the party collapsed returned to the Labour party because they're not welcome in UKIP.logical_song said:"Bedwetter or here to smear?"
Is that not a smear?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hitler-praised-as-magnetic-and-forceful-speaker-by-ukip-mep-9659626.html
or
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/may/01/ukip-nazi-row-photoshops-hitler
What about the first one?
Tell me how well you do on this quiz:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/quiz/2014/may/19/quiz-bnp-ukip-quotes-who-said-what
Now, I really like this one. Isn't Neil Hamiilton one of the leading lights in UKIP (please reply to this I'd love to dig up some of his history).
UKIP attracts 'decent' BNP voters, says Neil Hamilton
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27177864
So pretty much I am saying that there's very few who would have used the BNP as a protest vote.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/table/2009/jun/09/european-elections-elections-20090 -
That HamiltonAlanbrooke said:
Your point being ?logical_song said:
ISAM is 8300 posts ahead of me. I apologise for my last post which broke the character count limit. So you may have missed:Roger said:They're like Piranhas!
Watch this. It'll take your minds off Neil Hamilton and unsavory friends
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHX-4cKEQH4
Now as promised some of Neil Hamilton's history:
from http://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/2014/apr/21/neil-hamilton-ukip-christine-nigel-farage
It's debatable whether Neil Hamilton has any skeletons left in his cupboards, given the graveyard that dances around him. There is, of course, the cash-for-questions affair he was embroiled in while MP for Tatton in the 1990s – a scandal which led him to resign from his post as a minister in John Major's government, and eventually leave parliament in disgrace, synonymous with sleaze. There is the libel suit he brought against the Guardian, which he abandoned the day before the trial was due to start in 1996, and many other embarrassing incidents in the years since.Ishmael_X said:
And you are too thick to use Google to do so?logical_song said:
Isn't Neil Hamiilton one of the leading lights in UKIP (please reply to this I'd love to dig up some of his history).isam said:
Give up mate you've shown how desperate you are already xlogical_song said:
Maybe.isam said:
Haha the second one was a wind up to trick people like you!!! kerching!logical_song said:
Maybe he saw this:Swiss_Bob said:
I'll leave other people to judge but it was Wodger who conflated UKIP with the BNP, a fückwitted bunch of National Socialists, most of whom were Labour party members, or since the party collapsed returned to the Labour party because they're not welcome in UKIP.logical_song said:"Bedwetter or here to smear?"
Is that not a smear?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hitler-praised-as-magnetic-and-forceful-speaker-by-ukip-mep-9659626.html
or
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/may/01/ukip-nazi-row-photoshops-hitler
What about the first one?
Tell me how well you do on this quiz:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/quiz/2014/may/19/quiz-bnp-ukip-quotes-who-said-what
Neil Hamilton was campaign director until April. In May elections, he stood as a UKIP candidate in the St Mary's Park ward of Wandsworth London Borough Councilisam said:@LogicalSong
Neil Hamilton isn't one of the leading lights in UKIP
That aside, well done0 -
He's on a mission from God.isam said:
Why dont you and the illogical one tone it down then? Its not you being trolled or called NazisRoger said:Le Bob
"Ah, you're a crusader, here to smite the ungodly. Good luck."
Too many of you. What chance does he have. Strange echoes of the Scottish YES campaign and the aggression from the nationalists.
Bow down ye that are unworthy.0 -
Ooh did he make the sandwiches too?logical_song said:
That HamiltonAlanbrooke said:
Your point being ?logical_song said:
ISAM is 8300 posts ahead of me. I apologise for my last post which broke the character count limit. So you may have missed:Roger said:They're like Piranhas!
Watch this. It'll take your minds off Neil Hamilton and unsavory friends
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHX-4cKEQH4
Now as promised some of Neil Hamilton's history:
from http://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/2014/apr/21/neil-hamilton-ukip-christine-nigel-farage
It's debatable whether Neil Hamilton has any skeletons left in his cupboards, given the graveyard that dances around him. There is, of course, the cash-for-questions affair he was embroiled in while MP for Tatton in the 1990s – a scandal which led him to resign from his post as a minister in John Major's government, and eventually leave parliament in disgrace, synonymous with sleaze. There is the libel suit he brought against the Guardian, which he abandoned the day before the trial was due to start in 1996, and many other embarrassing incidents in the years since.Ishmael_X said:
And you are too thick to use Google to do so?logical_song said:
Isn't Neil Hamiilton one of the leading lights in UKIP (please reply to this I'd love to dig up some of his history).isam said:
Give up mate you've shown how desperate you are already xlogical_song said:
Maybe.isam said:
Haha the second one was a wind up to trick people like you!!! kerching!logical_song said:Swiss_Bob said:
I'll leave other people to judge but it was Wodger who conflated UKIP with the BNP, a fückwitted bunch of National Socialists, most of whom were Labour party members, or since the party collapsed returned to the Labour party because they're not welcome in UKIP.logical_song said:"Bedwetter or here to smear?"
Is that not a smear?
What about the first one?
Tell me how well you do on this quiz:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/quiz/2014/may/19/quiz-bnp-ukip-quotes-who-said-what
Neil Hamilton was campaign director until April. In May elections, he stood as a UKIP candidate in the St Mary's Park ward of Wandsworth London Borough Councilisam said:@LogicalSong
Neil Hamilton isn't one of the leading lights in UKIP
That aside, well done
He isn't one of UKIPs leading lights is what I said0 -
I remember campaigning in the middle of the last decade when the BNP were polling relatively strongly. The specific issue was immigration and they were seen as the best vehicle for delivering that message. There was a disillusionment with the main parties in general but it was immigration in particular that was the driver. Some of the motivation may have been (indeed, was) racist but not all - issues like differential treatment were legitimate concerns and the BNP were the only party talking about it.logical_song said:
Most people would know what the BNP stood for and they could protest by voting for one of the three main parties (depending on who they were protesting about), the Greens plenty of others depending on where in the country you live, even UKIP.Alanbrooke said:
Are you claiming there's no such thing as people who used the BNP as a protest vote ?logical_song said:
No, I like this. Let's expose the BNP/UKIP links.isam said:
Give up mate you've shown how desperate you are already xlogical_song said:
Maybe.isam said:
Haha the second one was a wind up to trick people like you!!! kerching!logical_song said:
Maybe he saw this:Swiss_Bob said:
I'll leave other people to judge but it was Wodger who conflated UKIP with the BNP, a fückwitted bunch of National Socialists, most of whom were Labour party members, or since the party collapsed returned to the Labour party because they're not welcome in UKIP.logical_song said:"Bedwetter or here to smear?"
Is that not a smear?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hitler-praised-as-magnetic-and-forceful-speaker-by-ukip-mep-9659626.html
or
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/may/01/ukip-nazi-row-photoshops-hitler
What about the first one?
Tell me how well you do on this quiz:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/quiz/2014/may/19/quiz-bnp-ukip-quotes-who-said-what
Now, I really like this one. Isn't Neil Hamiilton one of the leading lights in UKIP (please reply to this I'd love to dig up some of his history).
UKIP attracts 'decent' BNP voters, says Neil Hamilton
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27177864
So pretty much I am saying that there's very few who would have used the BNP as a protest vote.0 -
Shapps really is mad.0
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n.com/politics/quiz/2014/may/19/quiz-bnp-ukip-quotes-who-said-what
Give up mate you've shown how desperate you are already x
Isn't Neil Hamiilton one of the leading lights in UKIP (please reply to this I'd love to dig up some of his history).
And you are too thick to use Google to do so?
Neil Hamilton was campaign director until April. In May elections, he stood as a UKIP candidate in the St Mary's Park ward of Wandsworth London Borough Councilisam said:@LogicalSong
Neil Hamilton isn't one of the leading lights in UKIP
That aside, well done
I'm quite aware who neil hamilton is, what I'm not clear on is why you think he;s worse than any of the other iffy poiliticians spread across all our main parties many of whom are still in senior roles and some of whom have criminal convictions.
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The root cause for a great many (not all) UKIP supporters is that they're getting constantly clobbered economically with no signs of things improving anytime soon. UKIP's message of "if we take stuff away from immigrants, there'll be more for people like you" is always going to be popular in these circumstances. If Labour want to compete then they're going to have to actually, you know, promise poor people some hope and some help for their lives to get better, the thing the party was set up to do (even if that means - gasp! - being decried as left-wing and socialist).Roger said:Sorry to be off topic (perhaps it balances audreyanne who posts the same post on every thread) but I'm getting seriously concerned by the UKIP effect. Listening to one of their spokesmen on 'Any Questions' I can't see any difference between them and Griffin's BNP.
I now think it's crucial that one of the mainstream parties takes them on. No more pussyfooting around. I suspect the Lib Dems and Greens have their hearts in the right place but they haven't got the muscle. The Tories sit on the fence. This is a job for Labour alone. If Ed doesn't step up to the plate this time then we might as well vote Tory as the lesser of two evils.
But these people have to be taken on. I know this site has now become replete with UKIPers Powellites and BNPers but it doesn't alter the basic truth that you are opposed by many many more than those who support you and Labour have to mobilize them.
I don't claim to know the exact type of policies Labour should offer to win back these people, but 5 more years of cuts and misery is the last thing that would do it.0 -
Isam
"Why dont you and the illogical one tone it down then? Its not you being trolled or called Nazis"
Interesting don't you think how UKIP and the Scottish campaign raise the temperature on here in a way that the three party struggle rarely does. I think the reason is that an independent Scotland and/or an ascendant UKIP will make a difference. The rest doesn't0 -
Actually, Mr.B., I think the quality of the site as a whole has gone down shockingly since the Scottish thingy. Far too much partisan/tribalist posting these days, very little intelligent debate and almost no posts that will help me recover some of my money from the bookies (MalcolmG tried today but alas; not his fault, of course, and I am grateful for his tips).Alanbrooke said:
I've got to say the quality of trolling has really gone downhill since Friday.
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Well the debate between the other three parties is usually no more than a case of splitting hairs...Roger said:Isam
"Why dont you and the illogical one tone it down then? Its not you being trolled or called Nazis"
Interesting don't you think how UKIP and the Scottish campaign raise the temperature on here in a way that the three party struggle rarely does. I think the reason is that an independent Scotland and/or an ascendant UKIP will make a difference. The rest doesn't
"We will amend law (a)"
"We will put it before an independent enquiry, first"
..and so on
I guess people get more fired up about UKIP because they/we are saying "You are fundamentally wrong" and vice versa I guess
Most of anti UKIPPers arguments just remind me of David Brent when Neil turned up in the Office to be honest0 -
IOS
"Shapps really is mad."
It made me smile when Carswell was quoted as calling him 'Schapps'. Whether or not it was a misprint I don't know but it struck me as appropriate.0 -
Good to see you miss Scotland threads Mr L. it will cheer malc up no end :-)HurstLlama said:
Actually, Mr.B., I think the quality of the site as a whole has gone down shockingly since the Scottish thingy. Far too much partisan/tribalist posting these days, very little intelligent debate and almost no posts that will help me recover some of my money from the bookies (MalcolmG tried today but alas; not his fault, of course, and I am grateful for his tips).Alanbrooke said:
I've got to say the quality of trolling has really gone downhill since Friday.
But yes the current overkill on UKIP is a tad boring but I suppose is the price of upsetting the status quo. In the meantime there are lots of other interesting things happening in the world Euromeltdown 3 being one of the scarier ones but currently it looks like we're stuck with Farage invented ebola for the foreseeable future.
Ho hum.0 -
When was the second one?Alanbrooke said:Euromeltdown 3
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2011Danny565 said:
When was the second one?Alanbrooke said:Euromeltdown 3
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Danny.
"(even if that means - gasp! - being decried as left-wing and socialist)."
I agree and they will get rubbished in the press and by the Blairites who still hold a lot of sway in the party.
But quite simply they have nothing to lose. Hoping that UKIP will take enough votes off the Tories for Labour to slip through just doesn't look like working. I'm afraid Ed's going to have to take a leaf out of Blair's book and be fearless0 -
Ed will do more analysis and then make us an offer we can't understand.Roger said:Danny.
"(even if that means - gasp! - being decried as left-wing and socialist)."
I agree and they will get rubbished in the press and by the Blairites who still hold a lot of sway in the party.
But quite simply they have nothing to lose. Hoping that UKIP will take enough votes off the Tories for Labour to slip through just doesn't look like working. I'm afraid Ed's going to have to take a leaf out of Blair's book and be fearless0 -
Isam,
Go easy on Roger.
Think of him as a Victorian lady.
"Goodness, the proles are revolting. Somebody must do something." Gathers up folds of skirt and runs to hide in bedroom.0 -
Just come back from a meeting ...... nothing party political ......... where Sir Bob Russell welcomed attenders. He remarked that he'd not long come back from Clacton and that, when he went into the count he noted that there was a very full moon. That's all I'm saying., he said. just noticed!0
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You are sadly and badly misnamed. I'm going to call you Illogical Wail.logical_song said:
Most people would know what the BNP stood for and they could protest by voting for one of the three main parties (depending on who they were protesting about), the Greens plenty of others depending on where in the country you live, even UKIP.Alanbrooke said:
Are you claiming there's no such thing as people who used the BNP as a protest vote ?logical_song said:
No, I like this. Let's expose the BNP/UKIP links.isam said:
Give up mate you've shown how desperate you are already xlogical_song said:
Maybe.isam said:
Haha the second one was a wind up to trick people like you!!! kerching!logical_song said:
Maybe he saw this:Swiss_Bob said:
I'll leave other people to judge but it was Wodger who conflated UKIP with the BNP, a fückwitted bunch of National Socialists, most of whom were Labour party members, or since the party collapsed returned to the Labour party because they're not welcome in UKIP.logical_song said:"Bedwetter or here to smear?"
Is that not a smear?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hitler-praised-as-magnetic-and-forceful-speaker-by-ukip-mep-9659626.html
or
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/may/01/ukip-nazi-row-photoshops-hitler
What about the first one?
Tell me how well you do on this quiz:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/quiz/2014/may/19/quiz-bnp-ukip-quotes-who-said-what
Now, I really like this one. Isn't Neil Hamiilton one of the leading lights in UKIP (please reply to this I'd love to dig up some of his history).
UKIP attracts 'decent' BNP voters, says Neil Hamilton
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27177864
So pretty much I am saying that there's very few who would have used the BNP as a protest vote.
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ICM Wisdom Index poll
Con 30, Lab 32, LD 15, UKIP 15
Now Ed Miliband has the 'women problem’ as a PM
Twice as many people think David Cameron makes a good prime minister as would say the same of Ed Miliband, with the Labour leader lagging far behind in winning female support, poll shows
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11156102/Now-Ed-Miliband-has-the-women-problem-as-a-PM.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter0 -
I think Ed has an "everyone problem"?TheScreamingEagles said:ICM Wisdom Index poll
Con 30, Lab 32, LD 15, UKIP 15
Ed apparently now has a women problem
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11156102/Now-Ed-Miliband-has-the-women-problem-as-a-PM.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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Tuuune!TheScreamingEagles said:ICM Wisdom Index poll
Con 30, Lab 32, LD 15, UKIP 15
Now Ed Miliband has the 'women problem’ as a PM
Twice as many people think David Cameron makes a good prime minister as would say the same of Ed Miliband, with the Labour leader lagging far behind in winning female support, poll shows
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11156102/Now-Ed-Miliband-has-the-women-problem-as-a-PM.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TmD50m6CL40 -
What a halfwit, you are obviously not right in the head. They have not changed one iota.MattW said:
Hmm. Tories worked with them in Scotland.RodCrosby said:@surbiton
It is inconceivable that Con or Lab would form a UK coalition government with
i) any of the NI parties [the risk of fallout for the peace process]
ii) SNP, a regional separatist party [inconceivable the SNP would join, for the same reason]
More informal arrangements are perfectly possible though.
But the SNP just became incredibly unpredictable, since they are 75% brand new members.
I don't think anyone knows what the SNP is now.
Perhaps we should start calling them the "Pretender Party".0 -
I don't think you know what you're talking about. The Tories were never in government at Holyrood with the SNP. But devolved parliaments are a different kettle of fish anyhow. In principle, it would be possible.MattW said:
Hmm. Tories worked with them in Scotland.RodCrosby said:@surbiton
It is inconceivable that Con or Lab would form a UK coalition government with
i) any of the NI parties [the risk of fallout for the peace process]
ii) SNP, a regional separatist party [inconceivable the SNP would join, for the same reason]
More informal arrangements are perfectly possible though.
But for the UK? Hardly. Would be nonsense for both parties.
Seems to be some confusion over the word "coalition." It means ministers from more than one party in the same government...0 -
Did Sir Bob arrive back on his trusty broom?OldKingCole said:Just come back from a meeting ...... nothing party political ......... where Sir Bob Russell welcomed attenders. He remarked that he'd not long come back from Clacton and that, when he went into the count he noted that there was a very full moon. That's all I'm saying., he said. just noticed!
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Afternoon malc. just what we need a bit of Scotland to bring some calm and reasoned debate back to PB. These southern boys just all resort to name calling. ;-)malcolmg said:
What a halfwit, you are obviously not right in the head. They have not changed one iota.MattW said:
Hmm. Tories worked with them in Scotland.RodCrosby said:@surbiton
It is inconceivable that Con or Lab would form a UK coalition government with
i) any of the NI parties [the risk of fallout for the peace process]
ii) SNP, a regional separatist party [inconceivable the SNP would join, for the same reason]
More informal arrangements are perfectly possible though.
But the SNP just became incredibly unpredictable, since they are 75% brand new members.
I don't think anyone knows what the SNP is now.
Perhaps we should start calling them the "Pretender Party".0 -
Blair had two huge advantages Miliband doesn't: (1) an easy manner with people and the media, (2) a reservoir of goodwill. He also had two lesser advantages: (3) a tired and chaotic Tory party (ok, things aren't perfect now but they're much better than in Major's day), and (4) plenty of money to play with in the government's account, or at least, that soon would be there.Roger said:Danny.
"(even if that means - gasp! - being decried as left-wing and socialist)."
I agree and they will get rubbished in the press and by the Blairites who still hold a lot of sway in the party.
But quite simply they have nothing to lose. Hoping that UKIP will take enough votes off the Tories for Labour to slip through just doesn't look like working. I'm afraid Ed's going to have to take a leaf out of Blair's book and be fearless0 -
Alanbrooke
'Ed will do more analysis and then make us an offer we can't understand. "
He gets more like Chance the gardener by the day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH1G8RPSP6Q0 -
Dodgy anecdote department - this afternoon's canvass was in a WWC ward and I was curious to see if there would be a UKIP surge. It seemed much the same as when we last did it 6 months ago - a bit of churn but nearly everyone saying what they said before. There's UKIP support there, and rather more people who are unhappy about immigration but not (yet) voting UKIP - perhaps they're the sort of voter who might be swayed in an intense by-election. But the Labour voters were generally pretty motivated - the message that it's a marginal seat was echoing strongly. LibDems seem an endangered species in this ward, which has a LibDem County Councillor.
I finally met a voter who said his absolute main concern was the deficit - the first time I've encountered one on the doorstep. (He thinks he won't vote - feels the Tories have tried and failed and is sceptical that anyone else would do better.)0 -
Ed Miliband has the 'women problem’TheScreamingEagles said:ICM Wisdom Index poll
Con 30, Lab 32, LD 15, UKIP 15
Now Ed Miliband has the 'women problem’ as a PM
Twice as many people think David Cameron makes a good prime minister as would say the same of Ed Miliband, with the Labour leader lagging far behind in winning female support, poll shows
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11156102/Now-Ed-Miliband-has-the-women-problem-as-a-PM.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Give them a free Owl.
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"But the Labour voters were generally pretty motivated - the message that it's a marginal seat was echoing strongly"NickPalmer said:Dodgy anecdote department - this afternoon's canvass was in a WWC ward and I was curious to see if there would be a UKIP surge. It seemed much the same as when we last did it 6 months ago - a bit of churn but nearly everyone saying what they said before. There's UKIP support there, and rather more people who are unhappy about immigration but not (yet) voting UKIP - perhaps they're the sort of voter who might be swayed in an intense by-election. But the Labour voters were generally pretty motivated - the message that it's a marginal seat was echoing strongly. LibDems seem an endangered species in this ward, which has a LibDem County Councillor.
I finally met a voter who said his absolute main concern was the deficit - the first time I've encountered one on the doorstep. (He thinks he won't vote - feels the Tories have tried and failed and is sceptical that anyone else would do better.)
Knock off a quarter for optimism/politeness.0 -
Toby Helm @tobyhelm
Lab has 7pt lead in latest Op/Obs poll. Lab 35 (+1), Con 28 (-4), Ukip 17 (n/c), LDs 9 (+2). Greens 4. Tory bounce gone but now one for LDs?0 -
Extraordinarily high 15% score for the LibDems, i.e.approximately double what they are currently polling. This suggests that respondents hadn't actually taken any note of political polls for at least the past 3 years, which in most cases is probably an accurate reflection of the truth.TheScreamingEagles said:ICM Wisdom Index poll
Con 30, Lab 32, LD 15, UKIP 15
Now Ed Miliband has the 'women problem’ as a PM
Twice as many people think David Cameron makes a good prime minister as would say the same of Ed Miliband, with the Labour leader lagging far behind in winning female support, poll shows
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11156102/Now-Ed-Miliband-has-the-women-problem-as-a-PM.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter0 -
Afternoon, Mr. G., Mrs Llama did get back in time for me to get to the bookies, but never mind. Small stakes and a bit of fun and you never know we could still come good on the 17:40 (last I looked the priced and come to 9/2 so someone else is following you perhaps).
Thanks for the tips, Mr. G., win or lose they provide more entertainment than some of the tribalist rubbish that gets posted on here these days.
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Taagepera's ENP is now over 4.0 (four-party system) according to most polls.TheScreamingEagles said:ICM Wisdom Index poll
Con 30, Lab 32, LD 15, UKIP 15
Now Ed Miliband has the 'women problem’ as a PM
Twice as many people think David Cameron makes a good prime minister as would say the same of Ed Miliband, with the Labour leader lagging far behind in winning female support, poll shows
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11156102/Now-Ed-Miliband-has-the-women-problem-as-a-PM.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
FPTP won't be around much longer, so the theory goes...0 -
Hurst was indeed poor, I got place in teh big race as they were paying on first 6 , but not great overall.HurstLlama said:
Actually, Mr.B., I think the quality of the site as a whole has gone down shockingly since the Scottish thingy. Far too much partisan/tribalist posting these days, very little intelligent debate and almost no posts that will help me recover some of my money from the bookies (MalcolmG tried today but alas; not his fault, of course, and I am grateful for his tips).Alanbrooke said:
I've got to say the quality of trolling has really gone downhill since Friday.0 -
Was that fieldwork before or after Miliband's shambolic victory in H & M?TheScreamingEagles said:Toby Helm @tobyhelm
Lab has 7pt lead in latest Op/Obs poll. Lab 35 (+1), Con 28 (-4), Ukip 17 (n/c), LDs 9 (+2). Greens 4. Tory bounce gone but now one for LDs?
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If they followed their normal schedule, the fieldwork would have been Tuesday to Friday of this week.dr_spyn said:
Was that fieldwork before or after Miliband's shambolic victory in H & M?TheScreamingEagles said:Toby Helm @tobyhelm
Lab has 7pt lead in latest Op/Obs poll. Lab 35 (+1), Con 28 (-4), Ukip 17 (n/c), LDs 9 (+2). Greens 4. Tory bounce gone but now one for LDs?0 -
Will soon sort them out Alan. We will soon be discussing the 2017 referendum on independence debate so will just be boring for a short while.Alanbrooke said:
Afternoon malc. just what we need a bit of Scotland to bring some calm and reasoned debate back to PB. These southern boys just all resort to name calling. ;-)malcolmg said:
What a halfwit, you are obviously not right in the head. They have not changed one iota.MattW said:
Hmm. Tories worked with them in Scotland.RodCrosby said:@surbiton
It is inconceivable that Con or Lab would form a UK coalition government with
i) any of the NI parties [the risk of fallout for the peace process]
ii) SNP, a regional separatist party [inconceivable the SNP would join, for the same reason]
More informal arrangements are perfectly possible though.
But the SNP just became incredibly unpredictable, since they are 75% brand new members.
I don't think anyone knows what the SNP is now.
Perhaps we should start calling them the "Pretender Party".
Vote in 2020 will be perfect. Short 3 year campaign.0 -
It's actually an even more interesting read for the over 30s.Pong said:O/T, for anyone under 30;
This is a great article on bullying, sex abuse and retribution in generation 2.0
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/is-the-internet-generation-finally-coming-unstuck
I used to work as a school teacher - as such I had to keep at least quarter of an eye pinned on youth culture, because it helps to understand what kind of lives the kids were living.
Youth culture can be a hard thing to "dip in to", because the experience of youth is completely immersive, and even having one foot in the adult world excludes you from many elements of it. But the internet generation made it even harder, because for the first time the kids were largely immersed in content of their own generation's creation. Films made by adults, books written by adults, TV produced by adults - all of those had a toe-hold in the adult world that made it easier for other adults to access and understand.
Then once it got to Bebo and Myspace, and now to ask.fm and youtube vloggers, the kids really took over. The Vice piece is an excellent article which really picks up on the youthful savagery that comes with a virtual recasting of the Lord of the Flies.
I highly commend a flick-through to all PBers, regardless of age.0 -
I can't wait. What will you be promising this time ? How about invading England ? ;-)malcolmg said:
Will soon sort them out Alan. We will soon be discussing the 2017 referendum on independence debate so will just be boring for a short while.Alanbrooke said:
Afternoon malc. just what we need a bit of Scotland to bring some calm and reasoned debate back to PB. These southern boys just all resort to name calling. ;-)malcolmg said:
What a halfwit, you are obviously not right in the head. They have not changed one iota.MattW said:
Hmm. Tories worked with them in Scotland.RodCrosby said:@surbiton
It is inconceivable that Con or Lab would form a UK coalition government with
i) any of the NI parties [the risk of fallout for the peace process]
ii) SNP, a regional separatist party [inconceivable the SNP would join, for the same reason]
More informal arrangements are perfectly possible though.
But the SNP just became incredibly unpredictable, since they are 75% brand new members.
I don't think anyone knows what the SNP is now.
Perhaps we should start calling them the "Pretender Party".0 -
Not just the conference bounce but more besides. After the YouGov 30% for the Cons, 28 with Opinium is also an equal-low for the year (twice, once in February and once in August). The last time they had the Tories lower was October 2013. That said, they did record an 8-pt lead for Labour a month ago so these figures are pretty much in line with those.TheScreamingEagles said:Toby Helm @tobyhelm
Lab has 7pt lead in latest Op/Obs poll. Lab 35 (+1), Con 28 (-4), Ukip 17 (n/c), LDs 9 (+2). Greens 4. Tory bounce gone but now one for LDs?0 -
I will need to do better next time Hurst, I do prefer the jumping and it is now going to take centre stage.HurstLlama said:Afternoon, Mr. G., Mrs Llama did get back in time for me to get to the bookies, but never mind. Small stakes and a bit of fun and you never know we could still come good on the 17:40 (last I looked the priced and come to 9/2 so someone else is following you perhaps).
Thanks for the tips, Mr. G., win or lose they provide more entertainment than some of the tribalist rubbish that gets posted on here these days.0 -
Brooks Newmark has been caught in another scandal by the Sun on Sunday.
He's quitting as an MP at the election now0 -
That was back in the days when bookmaking was a licence to print money, whenisam said:123% book on six runners... with 10% tax as well?!
there was no online competition, no exchange betting, no spread-betting and high street bookies' shops were opening ten to the dozen.
Things are very different now - one only has to consider the sad long term decline of Ladbrokes, the Tote, etc.
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Free deep fried mars bars and irn bru for life if you can prove you voted YES.Alanbrooke said:
I can't wait. What will you be promising this time ? How about invading England ? ;-)malcolmg said:
Will soon sort them out Alan. We will soon be discussing the 2017 referendum on independence debate so will just be boring for a short while.Alanbrooke said:
Afternoon malc. just what we need a bit of Scotland to bring some calm and reasoned debate back to PB. These southern boys just all resort to name calling. ;-)malcolmg said:
What a halfwit, you are obviously not right in the head. They have not changed one iota.MattW said:
Hmm. Tories worked with them in Scotland.RodCrosby said:@surbiton
It is inconceivable that Con or Lab would form a UK coalition government with
i) any of the NI parties [the risk of fallout for the peace process]
ii) SNP, a regional separatist party [inconceivable the SNP would join, for the same reason]
More informal arrangements are perfectly possible though.
But the SNP just became incredibly unpredictable, since they are 75% brand new members.
I don't think anyone knows what the SNP is now.
Perhaps we should start calling them the "Pretender Party".0 -
The arc of prosperity for an Independent Scotland?Alanbrooke said:
I can't wait. What will you be promising this time ? How about invading England ? ;-)malcolmg said:
Will soon sort them out Alan. We will soon be discussing the 2017 referendum on independence debate so will just be boring for a short while.Alanbrooke said:
Afternoon malc. just what we need a bit of Scotland to bring some calm and reasoned debate back to PB. These southern boys just all resort to name calling. ;-)malcolmg said:
What a halfwit, you are obviously not right in the head. They have not changed one iota.MattW said:
Hmm. Tories worked with them in Scotland.RodCrosby said:@surbiton
It is inconceivable that Con or Lab would form a UK coalition government with
i) any of the NI parties [the risk of fallout for the peace process]
ii) SNP, a regional separatist party [inconceivable the SNP would join, for the same reason]
More informal arrangements are perfectly possible though.
But the SNP just became incredibly unpredictable, since they are 75% brand new members.
I don't think anyone knows what the SNP is now.
Perhaps we should start calling them the "Pretender Party".0 -
So the conference results are all in:
LAB 2% bounce, lasted 5 days.
UKIP 2% bounce, lasted 4 days.
CON 3% bounce, lasted 5 days.
LD 2 % bounce, lasts till Monday?
Historically that's pretty poor for conferences just before an election.0 -
David Wooding @DavidWooding 3m3 minutes ago
BREAKING: Shamed Tory Brooks Newmark to quit as MP after fresh sex scandal. See The Sun on Sunday exclusive tomorrow http://bit.ly/1p1moDo
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Paying out on the first 6? Dang! I missed that, off to go through my gash bin in search of betting slip in the name of Nearly Caught. Thanks, Mr. G!malcolmg said:
Hurst was indeed poor, I got place in teh big race as they were paying on first 6 , but not great overall.HurstLlama said:
Actually, Mr.B., I think the quality of the site as a whole has gone down shockingly since the Scottish thingy. Far too much partisan/tribalist posting these days, very little intelligent debate and almost no posts that will help me recover some of my money from the bookies (MalcolmG tried today but alas; not his fault, of course, and I am grateful for his tips).Alanbrooke said:
I've got to say the quality of trolling has really gone downhill since Friday.
P.S. I see Enobled in the 17:40 ended up as favourite at 4/1, but came in 9th. Such is life.0 -
as a party loyalist shouldn't he defect to UKIP first ?TheScreamingEagles said:Brooks Newmark has been caught in another scandal by the Sun on Sunday.
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Good evening, everyone.
Race in Russia should be quite interesting, I think. Perhaps less so at the sharp end (although Mercedes do have a bad habit of reliability failure) but the lower points positions should be subject to substantial squabbling.
First traditionally published story (a short one) will be out in just over a week. The anthology of which it's a part can be pre-ordered here (e-book and a limited signed edition are also available):
http://shop.ticketyboopress.co.uk/index.php?id_product=1&controller=product0 -
By election?dr_spyn said:David Wooding @DavidWooding 3m3 minutes ago
BREAKING: Shamed Tory Brooks Newmark to quit as MP after fresh sex scandal. See The Sun on Sunday exclusive tomorrow http://bit.ly/1p1moDo
Braintree is in Essex not far away from Clacton.
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Definate UKIP potential - Braintree itself is a bit of a ****hole, but surrounding areas are nicer.Speedy said:
By election?dr_spyn said:David Wooding @DavidWooding 3m3 minutes ago
BREAKING: Shamed Tory Brooks Newmark to quit as MP after fresh sex scandal. See The Sun on Sunday exclusive tomorrow http://bit.ly/1p1moDo
Braintree is in Essex not far away from Clacton.
Sadly he's just chicken running from parliament however.0 -
No, he's not contesting the next electionSpeedy said:
By election?dr_spyn said:David Wooding @DavidWooding 3m3 minutes ago
BREAKING: Shamed Tory Brooks Newmark to quit as MP after fresh sex scandal. See The Sun on Sunday exclusive tomorrow http://bit.ly/1p1moDo
Braintree is in Essex not far away from Clacton.0 -
we'll let you go independent if you;ll take George Osborne off our hands.malcolmg said:
Free deep fried mars bars and irn bru for life if you can prove you voted YES.Alanbrooke said:
I can't wait. What will you be promising this time ? How about invading England ? ;-)malcolmg said:
Will soon sort them out Alan. We will soon be discussing the 2017 referendum on independence debate so will just be boring for a short while.Alanbrooke said:
Afternoon malc. just what we need a bit of Scotland to bring some calm and reasoned debate back to PB. These southern boys just all resort to name calling. ;-)malcolmg said:
What a halfwit, you are obviously not right in the head. They have not changed one iota.MattW said:
Hmm. Tories worked with them in Scotland.RodCrosby said:@surbiton
It is inconceivable that Con or Lab would form a UK coalition government with
i) any of the NI parties [the risk of fallout for the peace process]
ii) SNP, a regional separatist party [inconceivable the SNP would join, for the same reason]
More informal arrangements are perfectly possible though.
But the SNP just became incredibly unpredictable, since they are 75% brand new members.
I don't think anyone knows what the SNP is now.
Perhaps we should start calling them the "Pretender Party".0 -
Channel 4 News @Channel4News 47s48 seconds ago
Brooks Newmark, the Conservative MP who quit over an internet sex scandal, will stand down from Parliament at the general election. #c4news0 -
He's doing the Tories a big favour by not standing down immediately.0
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Yes, mentioned this yesterday, Thatcher mentioned in passing on the results programme, but most of the talk and money was on Whitelaw with Hailsham talking of a need to return to 'Butskellism', astonishing how much she changed her party and the country0
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'Voters, not the politicians, are out of touch' - Classic Matthew Parris in today's Times (behind Paywall)
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4233442.ece0 -
Pitty, they could have held it with Rochester.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, he's not contesting the next electionSpeedy said:
By election?dr_spyn said:David Wooding @DavidWooding 3m3 minutes ago
BREAKING: Shamed Tory Brooks Newmark to quit as MP after fresh sex scandal. See The Sun on Sunday exclusive tomorrow http://bit.ly/1p1moDo
Braintree is in Essex not far away from Clacton.
Anyway another seat UKIP might have a go at in 2015.0 -
That's a real shocker for the the Tories which can hardly be described "just noise" any longer ..... the major party conferences are now all over (assuming one still includes the LibDems as being a major party).TheScreamingEagles said:Toby Helm @tobyhelm
Lab has 7pt lead in latest Op/Obs poll. Lab 35 (+1), Con 28 (-4), Ukip 17 (n/c), LDs 9 (+2). Greens 4. Tory bounce gone but now one for LDs?
What will tomorrow's YouGov/Sunday Times poll show?
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Tim Montgomerie @TimMontgomerie
This is persuasive: UKIP will hurt Tories (& therefore Euroscepticism) most, not Labour, at the election http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/the-lessons-of-clacton-and-heywood-why-ukip-will-damage-the-tories-in-2015-but-may-ultimately-harm-labour/ … via @epkaufm0 -
to be fair to Cameron he's done quite well in keeping his MPs trousers zipped.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, he's not contesting the next electionSpeedy said:
By election?dr_spyn said:David Wooding @DavidWooding 3m3 minutes ago
BREAKING: Shamed Tory Brooks Newmark to quit as MP after fresh sex scandal. See The Sun on Sunday exclusive tomorrow http://bit.ly/1p1moDo
Braintree is in Essex not far away from Clacton.0 -
UKIP tweeted a photo of Farage pointing at it and laughingHYUFD said:'Voters, not the politicians, are out of touch' - Classic Matthew Parris in today's Times (behind Paywall)
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4233442.ece
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It's opinium, they've generally had the largest Lab leads/smallest Tory sharespeter_from_putney said:
That's a real shocker for the the Tories which can hardly be described "just noise" any longer ..... the major party conferences are now all over (assuming one still includes the LibDems as being a major party).TheScreamingEagles said:Toby Helm @tobyhelm
Lab has 7pt lead in latest Op/Obs poll. Lab 35 (+1), Con 28 (-4), Ukip 17 (n/c), LDs 9 (+2). Greens 4. Tory bounce gone but now one for LDs?
What will tomorrow's YouGov/Sunday Times poll show?
Wait until we see the ICM on Monday.0 -
Sad to hear about the Brooks Newmark news, having campaigned in Braintree for him in 2001 when Labour narrowly held on. The town itself is lower middle/working class, ideal UKIP terrain with a significant Labour vote, but many of the surrounding villages are more prosperous and more likely to stick with the Tories0
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Any idea when fieldwork was done.Probably Pre Clacton result?peter_from_putney said:
That's a real shocker for the the Tories which can hardly be described "just noise" any longer ..... the major party conferences are now all over (assuming one still includes the LibDems as being a major party).TheScreamingEagles said:Toby Helm @tobyhelm
Lab has 7pt lead in latest Op/Obs poll. Lab 35 (+1), Con 28 (-4), Ukip 17 (n/c), LDs 9 (+2). Greens 4. Tory bounce gone but now one for LDs?
What will tomorrow's YouGov/Sunday Times poll show?
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Wait a minute. He'd already stated he was quitting at the next election...TheScreamingEagles said:Brooks Newmark has been caught in another scandal by the Sun on Sunday.
He's quitting as an MP at the election now
Surely he should be quitting NOW?
UKIP should picket his Braintree constituency office...0 -
So it's back to the old failed classic "Vote UKIP get Ed" after a few hours of "Vote UKIP get Ebola"?TheScreamingEagles said:Tim Montgomerie @TimMontgomerie
This is persuasive: UKIP will hurt Tories (& therefore Euroscepticism) most, not Labour, at the election http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/the-lessons-of-clacton-and-heywood-why-ukip-will-damage-the-tories-in-2015-but-may-ultimately-harm-labour/ … via @epkaufm0 -
After the uprising of June 17thHYUFD said:'Voters, not the politicians, are out of touch' - Classic Matthew Parris in today's Times (behind Paywall)
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4233442.ece
The Secretary of the Authors' Union
Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee
Which said that the people
Had forfeited the government's confidence
And could only win it back
By redoubled labour. Wouldn't it
Be simpler in that case if the government
Dissolved the people and
Elected another?
Parris is being a tit.
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Typical bloody Ulsterman starts off asking for too little. They can go independent iff they take Osborne and Cameron.Alanbrooke said:
we'll let you go independent if you;ll take George Osborne off our hands.malcolmg said:
Free deep fried mars bars and irn bru for life if you can prove you voted YES.Alanbrooke said:
I can't wait. What will you be promising this time ? How about invading England ? ;-)malcolmg said:
Will soon sort them out Alan. We will soon be discussing the 2017 referendum on independence debate so will just be boring for a short while.Alanbrooke said:
Afternoon malc. just what we need a bit of Scotland to bring some calm and reasoned debate back to PB. These southern boys just all resort to name calling. ;-)malcolmg said:
What a halfwit, you are obviously not right in the head. They have not changed one iota.MattW said:
Hmm. Tories worked with them in Scotland.RodCrosby said:@surbiton
It is inconceivable that Con or Lab would form a UK coalition government with
i) any of the NI parties [the risk of fallout for the peace process]
ii) SNP, a regional separatist party [inconceivable the SNP would join, for the same reason]
More informal arrangements are perfectly possible though.
But the SNP just became incredibly unpredictable, since they are 75% brand new members.
I don't think anyone knows what the SNP is now.
Perhaps we should start calling them the "Pretender Party".0 -
If it was following their normal schedule, it will have been Tuesday to Friday this week.rogerh said:
Any idea when fieldwork was done.Probably Pre Clacton result?peter_from_putney said:
That's a real shocker for the the Tories which can hardly be described "just noise" any longer ..... the major party conferences are now all over (assuming one still includes the LibDems as being a major party).TheScreamingEagles said:Toby Helm @tobyhelm
Lab has 7pt lead in latest Op/Obs poll. Lab 35 (+1), Con 28 (-4), Ukip 17 (n/c), LDs 9 (+2). Greens 4. Tory bounce gone but now one for LDs?
What will tomorrow's YouGov/Sunday Times poll show?
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