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I'm hoping for a quiet stint as PB editor.7
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Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp0 -
The Apocalypse begins with TSE's first post, as avian flu stalks the world, China invades America and the Fife coast shows ominous portents.3
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In my best Windsor Davies voice:TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
Oh dear, how sad. Never Mind.5 -
I've never worked in a ministerial department, so I don't what it's like, but what surprises me about this is the implication that quite a lot of civil servants work in and around the minister. In my mind, the minister works with the permanent secretary and perhaps the next few down from them, but I wouldn't have thought they'd have that close contact with many others.TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp0 -
The way I understand it is that say at Justice, you'll have civil servants who focus on HMCTS, some who work on prisons, some on the Lord Chancellor's functions etc.tlg86 said:
I've never worked in a ministerial department, so I don't what it's like, but what surprises me about this is the implication that quite a lot of civil servants work in and around the minister. In my mind, the minister works with the permanent secretary and perhaps the next few down from them, but I wouldn't have thought they'd have that close contact with many others.TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp
So when a certain subject requires the Secretary of State to get involved the relevant civil servants (and ministers) will deal with the minister.1 -
Is there a single reported case of Case getting anything right?TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp2 -
It seems that the stench continues unabated in No.10....TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp
I wonder whether it is incompetence or indifference?0 -
Presumably this is why the Chairman has not yet been replaced. Sunak is expecting to have to reshuffle again imminently.TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp1 -
I though the header title might be a reference to your time in charge.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm hoping for a quiet stint as PB editor.
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FWIW, I worked in a couple of Ministries (coming in as PPS for Defra and Energy/Science), and civil servants popped in and out all the time, as well as 2-3 sitting in on more formal meetings with the Ministerial/PPS teams. I didn't know them well enough to judge if they were intimately familiar, but they seemed pretty friendly. I think they'd have noticed if any of us were bullying types. Similarly I visit Defra now and then in my present role, and the current Ministers seem ro know their civil servants (and seem on good terms with them). I agree that "dozens" sounds like a lot, and there may be an element of peer support going on.tlg86 said:
I've never worked in a ministerial department, so I don't what it's like, but what surprises me about this is the implication that quite a lot of civil servants work in and around the minister. In my mind, the minister works with the permanent secretary and perhaps the next few down from them, but I wouldn't have thought they'd have that close contact with many others.TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp1 -
Phew, a new thread. The humanitarianism surrounding Shamima Begum's late children, peppering the final page of the last thread was choking me up.1
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Apparently he has good taste in wine.noneoftheabove said:
Is there a single reported case of Case getting anything right?TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp2 -
Yes, grim. Yes, the party is currently ungovernable. But so what.
From a PB viewpoint, there are two issues; what is good for the country and what are the betting positions to hold.
It seems to me that what is good for the country is that, having decided it is time for a change, the Tories don't trash the UK more than necessary and that they place themselves in a position where there is the possibility of them becoming a morally OK One Nation Christian Democrat party again.
Sunak isn't perfect, but he isn't consciously trying to trash the country, unlike predecessors, and he has the capacity to lose the next GE without looking like Trump.
While it would be nice if he was also going to reform the Tories while in office, it can't be done because it is rebuilding a ship in the middle of the ocean during a storm. 5 -10 years in dry dock will help.
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That might be a matter of ministerial choice, though ?tlg86 said:
I've never worked in a ministerial department, so I don't what it's like, but what surprises me about this is the implication that quite a lot of civil servants work in and around the minister. In my mind, the minister works with the permanent secretary and perhaps the next few down from them, but I wouldn't have thought they'd have that close contact with many others.TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp
Nothing to stop Raab going for a stroll round the department.0 -
A blocked drain? Although they cleared the place of an enormous t*rd last September. Still no better?Beibheirli_C said:
It seems that the stench continues unabated in No.10....TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp
I wonder whether it is incompetence or indifference?1 -
It’s no surprise that the Government treat the electorate like shit when they can’t even respect their own civil servants.TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp0 -
'You mean he's loose in the building?! If he's restless, he can feed the ducks in St James' Park!'Nigelb said:
That might be a matter of ministerial choice, though ?tlg86 said:
I've never worked in a ministerial department, so I don't what it's like, but what surprises me about this is the implication that quite a lot of civil servants work in and around the minister. In my mind, the minister works with the permanent secretary and perhaps the next few down from them, but I wouldn't have thought they'd have that close contact with many others.TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp
Nothing to stop Raab going for a stroll round the department.3 -
After sacking Zahawi it is time for Rishi to follow suit with Case.ydoethur said:
Apparently he has good taste in wine.noneoftheabove said:
Is there a single reported case of Case getting anything right?TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp0 -
To bully random civil servants?!Nigelb said:
That might be a matter of ministerial choice, though ?tlg86 said:
I've never worked in a ministerial department, so I don't what it's like, but what surprises me about this is the implication that quite a lot of civil servants work in and around the minister. In my mind, the minister works with the permanent secretary and perhaps the next few down from them, but I wouldn't have thought they'd have that close contact with many others.TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp
Nothing to stop Raab going for a stroll round the department.0 -
Is that a Godfather euphemism like "feeding the fishes"?ydoethur said:
'You mean he's loose in the building?! If he's restless, he can feed the ducks in St James' Park!'Nigelb said:
That might be a matter of ministerial choice, though ?tlg86 said:
I've never worked in a ministerial department, so I don't what it's like, but what surprises me about this is the implication that quite a lot of civil servants work in and around the minister. In my mind, the minister works with the permanent secretary and perhaps the next few down from them, but I wouldn't have thought they'd have that close contact with many others.TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp
Nothing to stop Raab going for a stroll round the department.
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Although it has to be said I don't think many of us have much respect left for the civil service after the last few shockingly awful years.Fairliered said:
It’s no surprise that the Government treat the electorate like shit when they can’t even respect their own civil servants.TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp
Especially those of us who have had to deal with them on a regular basis.1 -
It's from Yes Minister: The Skeleton in the Cupboard.Beibheirli_C said:
Is that a Godfather euphemism like "feeding the fishes"?ydoethur said:
'You mean he's loose in the building?! If he's restless, he can feed the ducks in St James' Park!'Nigelb said:
That might be a matter of ministerial choice, though ?tlg86 said:
I've never worked in a ministerial department, so I don't what it's like, but what surprises me about this is the implication that quite a lot of civil servants work in and around the minister. In my mind, the minister works with the permanent secretary and perhaps the next few down from them, but I wouldn't have thought they'd have that close contact with many others.TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp
Nothing to stop Raab going for a stroll round the department.1 -
Maybe it is just full of bullsh.....Mexicanpete said:
A blocked drain? Although they cleared the place of an enormous t*rd last September. Still no better?Beibheirli_C said:
It seems that the stench continues unabated in No.10....TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp
I wonder whether it is incompetence or indifference?
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A Case of wine?ydoethur said:
Apparently he has good taste in wine.noneoftheabove said:
Is there a single reported case of Case getting anything right?TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp1 -
Let him be that, rather than a Head, Case?Fairliered said:
A Case of wine?ydoethur said:
Apparently he has good taste in wine.noneoftheabove said:
Is there a single reported case of Case getting anything right?TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp1 -
Idle enquiry - when do PBers feel that "mid-term" is over and any substantial swingback should start to appear? My sense is May, after the local elections. IIRC Major started to recover at the corresponding time in 1992-97.0
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O/T but some good news for a change.
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2023/feb/03/thornborough-henges-north-yorkshire-gifted-england-heritage
"The circular earthworks are thought to be part of a “ritual landscape”, comparable to Salisbury Plain, home to Stonehenge.
There are three henges running north to south over a mile long. Two have been given to the nation by the construction company Tarmac. Lightwater Holdings, a local company, has given parts of the wider monument."1 -
Does he walk round the office wearing a fleurie shirt?ydoethur said:
Let him be that, rather than a Head, Case?Fairliered said:
A Case of wine?ydoethur said:
Apparently he has good taste in wine.noneoftheabove said:
Is there a single reported case of Case getting anything right?TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp1 -
Coincidentally the word “case” in Shakespearean English has a double meaning standing in for the “C” word.noneoftheabove said:
Is there a single reported case of Case getting anything right?TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp0 -
Is there any gain of function research on avian influenza going on at Wuhan?0
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What, just a shirt? Nothing else?Fairliered said:
Does he walk round the office wearing a fleurie shirt?ydoethur said:
Let him be that, rather than a Head, Case?Fairliered said:
A Case of wine?ydoethur said:
Apparently he has good taste in wine.noneoftheabove said:
Is there a single reported case of Case getting anything right?TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp
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Incidentally, if 2023 ends up being Biden v DeSantis, this photo of Biden on a walkabout in Florida, chatting to a Republican voter (with his arm round the guy's wife) suggests to me what the odds ought to be.
https://mobile.twitter.com/jfruh/status/16210292332451676190 -
Corruption?boulay said:
Coincidentally the word “case” in Shakespearean English has a double meaning standing in for the “C” word.noneoftheabove said:
Is there a single reported case of Case getting anything right?TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp1 -
Sounds about right. Most electors won’t be thinking about who to vote for in a General Election yet; just frustrated with the current lot.NickPalmer said:Idle enquiry - when do PBers feel that "mid-term" is over and any substantial swingback should start to appear? My sense is May, after the local elections. IIRC Major started to recover at the corresponding time in 1992-97.
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Didn't Neil Parrish get into hot water for looking at CASE pictures?ydoethur said:
Let him be that, rather than a Head, Case?Fairliered said:
A Case of wine?ydoethur said:
Apparently he has good taste in wine.noneoftheabove said:
Is there a single reported case of Case getting anything right?TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp0 -
He was a tractored to inappropriate past times.Mexicanpete said:
Didn't Neil Parrish get into hot water for looking at CASE pictures?ydoethur said:
Let him be that, rather than a Head, Case?Fairliered said:
A Case of wine?ydoethur said:
Apparently he has good taste in wine.noneoftheabove said:
Is there a single reported case of Case getting anything right?TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp0 -
Case closed!ydoethur said:
He was a tractored to inappropriate past times.Mexicanpete said:
Didn't Neil Parrish get into hot water for looking at CASE pictures?ydoethur said:
Let him be that, rather than a Head, Case?Fairliered said:
A Case of wine?ydoethur said:
Apparently he has good taste in wine.noneoftheabove said:
Is there a single reported case of Case getting anything right?TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp0 -
Oh Deereydoethur said:
He was a tractored to inappropriate past times.Mexicanpete said:
Didn't Neil Parrish get into hot water for looking at CASE pictures?ydoethur said:
Let him be that, rather than a Head, Case?Fairliered said:
A Case of wine?ydoethur said:
Apparently he has good taste in wine.noneoftheabove said:
Is there a single reported case of Case getting anything right?TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp3 -
I think we've been sent down a Masseyve blind alley here.Scott_xP said:
Oh Deereydoethur said:
He was a tractored to inappropriate past times.Mexicanpete said:
Didn't Neil Parrish get into hot water for looking at CASE pictures?ydoethur said:
Let him be that, rather than a Head, Case?Fairliered said:
A Case of wine?ydoethur said:
Apparently he has good taste in wine.noneoftheabove said:
Is there a single reported case of Case getting anything right?TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp0 -
"Masks Don’t Work, Gold Standard Review of Trial Data Concludes
By Dr Robert Malone"
https://dailysceptic.org/2023/02/02/masks-dont-work-gold-standard-review-of-trial-data-concludes/0 -
He will work very closely with his private office - they manage his schedule, prioritize his time, make sure civil servants wanting meetings with him really need them etc.tlg86 said:
I've never worked in a ministerial department, so I don't what it's like, but what surprises me about this is the implication that quite a lot of civil servants work in and around the minister. In my mind, the minister works with the permanent secretary and perhaps the next few down from them, but I wouldn't have thought they'd have that close contact with many others.TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp
Some of them are quite junior, diary secretary is normally an EO from memory, that's an entry level position. That's probably like 4-5 people there, and they rotate so over a few years he could easily have had 15+ private office staff.
Then he'll probably meet fairly regularly with senior civil servants and the grade 6/7s who are delivering the bits of policy he really cares about/are blowing up in the news.1 -
Was it pictures of ladies in wee grey Fergie dresses?Scott_xP said:
Oh Deereydoethur said:
He was a tractored to inappropriate past times.Mexicanpete said:
Didn't Neil Parrish get into hot water for looking at CASE pictures?ydoethur said:
Let him be that, rather than a Head, Case?Fairliered said:
A Case of wine?ydoethur said:
Apparently he has good taste in wine.noneoftheabove said:
Is there a single reported case of Case getting anything right?TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp0 -
I work in a government department and there’s probably more than you think although of course a tiny number compared to the size of the department as a whole. Off the top of my head:tlg86 said:
I've never worked in a ministerial department, so I don't what it's like, but what surprises me about this is the implication that quite a lot of civil servants work in and around the minister. In my mind, the minister works with the permanent secretary and perhaps the next few down from them, but I wouldn't have thought they'd have that close contact with many others.TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp
Minister’s Private Office- There are a number of proper Civil Servants here and this is where a minister is most likely to regularly interact with quite junior grades.
Permanent Secretary- Sees the minister regularly, might bring some of their own private office with them for formal meetings.
DGs and subject experts- The minister will
summon the heads of particular business areas as needed. For example the CFO during the budget round. They will probably bring particular specialists with them who whilst being fairly high up the grade scale aren’t high flyers so not used to dealing with politicians.
In my experience flash points occur because Civil Servants and ministers often need different things. Civil Servants want a clear direction so they can set the very complex bureaucratic wheels in motion. Politicians want options that aren’t going to piss anyone off.
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No.ydoethur said:
Corruption?boulay said:
Coincidentally the word “case” in Shakespearean English has a double meaning standing in for the “C” word.noneoftheabove said:
Is there a single reported case of Case getting anything right?TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp
As with 'purse', something that can contain something.
Shakespeare made TSE look like an innocent choirboy.0 -
I asked a friend of mine who is a surgeon how effective masks were.Andy_JS said:"Masks Don’t Work, Gold Standard Review of Trial Data Concludes
By Dr Robert Malone"
https://dailysceptic.org/2023/02/02/masks-dont-work-gold-standard-review-of-trial-data-concludes/
She said they would be effective, if used properly. Disposable three ply, worn correctly, used once and then got rid of correctly.
She added that almost nobody of her acquaintance was using them correctly. So she was dubious about how useful they would be.4 -
During the COVID-19 pandemic, Malone promoted misinformation about the safety and efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines.Andy_JS said:"Masks Don’t Work, Gold Standard Review of Trial Data Concludes
By Dr Robert Malone"
https://dailysceptic.org/2023/02/02/masks-dont-work-gold-standard-review-of-trial-data-concludes/
On December 30, 2021, Malone claimed on The Joe Rogan Experience podcast that "mass formation psychosis" was developing in American society in its reaction to COVID-19 just as during the rise of Nazi Germany.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Malone#COVID-19_research_and_controversy4 -
A "Case" and a "Johnson" running the nation in tandem? So by your definition we had both a **** and an enormous c*ck in charge of the show.boulay said:
Coincidentally the word “case” in Shakespearean English has a double meaning standing in for the “C” word.noneoftheabove said:
Is there a single reported case of Case getting anything right?TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp1 -
The fact just 12% of 2019 Conservative voters are now voting Labour suggests the result of the next general election could be much better than the current polling suggests for Sunak. However he would need to win back DKs and RefUK voters0
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My favourite, for purely childish amusement, is “Pie Corner”.Nigelb said:
No.ydoethur said:
Corruption?boulay said:
Coincidentally the word “case” in Shakespearean English has a double meaning standing in for the “C” word.noneoftheabove said:
Is there a single reported case of Case getting anything right?TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp
As with 'purse', something that can contain something.
Shakespeare made TSE look like an innocent choirboy.0 -
That's interesting. I'm a 7 at a non-ministerial department and I'd have thought they wouldn't have much contact with the minister.rkrkrk said:
He will work very closely with his private office - they manage his schedule, prioritize his time, make sure civil servants wanting meetings with him really need them etc.tlg86 said:
I've never worked in a ministerial department, so I don't what it's like, but what surprises me about this is the implication that quite a lot of civil servants work in and around the minister. In my mind, the minister works with the permanent secretary and perhaps the next few down from them, but I wouldn't have thought they'd have that close contact with many others.TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp
Some of them are quite junior, diary secretary is normally an EO from memory, that's an entry level position. That's probably like 4-5 people there, and they rotate so over a few years he could easily have had 15+ private office staff.
Then he'll probably meet fairly regularly with senior civil servants and the grade 6/7s who are delivering the bits of policy he really cares about/are blowing up in the news.
The EOs in regular contact is a more likely source of tension I'd have thought.0 -
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I put the chances of Labour as largest party at 95%+
Which means they lead the next government.
Overall majority is getting high as well. I think 75%+
EDIT: The only thing that might happen is May style melt down in the campaign itself.1 -
What a fine echo chamber of conspiracy theory nuttery that site is!Andy_JS said:"Masks Don’t Work, Gold Standard Review of Trial Data Concludes
By Dr Robert Malone"
https://dailysceptic.org/2023/02/02/masks-dont-work-gold-standard-review-of-trial-data-concludes/3 -
That is, as far as I'm aware.Nigelb said:
No, but there is in European mink farms.geoffw said:Is there any gain of function research on avian influenza going on at Wuhan?
Which are BSL0 facilities.
Elsewhere, there's this report from Feb 2019:
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Controversial experiments that could make bird flu more risky poised to resume
Two “gain of function” projects halted more than 4 years ago have passed new U.S. review process
https://www.science.org/content/article/exclusive-controversial-experiments-make-bird-flu-more-risky-poised-resume0 -
By the way, does Lucy Powell not understand what's meant by insolvent or do I not know?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/feb/03/premier-league-and-efl-financial-settlement-is-urgent-insists-labour
With over half of EFL clubs already insolvent, how many more could go bust or face the brink before then?
Does she simply mean running at a loss? Insolvent means you're in the brown stuff doesn't it?0 -
As much as I love Shakespeare, Chaucer is my favourite, The Miller's Tale is the finest piece of writing ever.Nigelb said:
No.ydoethur said:
Corruption?boulay said:
Coincidentally the word “case” in Shakespearean English has a double meaning standing in for the “C” word.noneoftheabove said:
Is there a single reported case of Case getting anything right?TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp
As with 'purse', something that can contain something.
Shakespeare made TSE look like an innocent choirboy.1 -
Presumably the general public, not the hospital colleagues?ydoethur said:
I asked a friend of mine who is a surgeon how effective masks were.Andy_JS said:"Masks Don’t Work, Gold Standard Review of Trial Data Concludes
By Dr Robert Malone"
https://dailysceptic.org/2023/02/02/masks-dont-work-gold-standard-review-of-trial-data-concludes/
She said they would be effective, if used properly. Disposable three ply, worn correctly, used once and then got rid of correctly.
She added that almost nobody of her acquaintance was using them correctly. So she was dubious about how useful they would be.0 -
Yes.Carnyx said:
Presumably the general public, not the hospital colleagues?ydoethur said:
I asked a friend of mine who is a surgeon how effective masks were.Andy_JS said:"Masks Don’t Work, Gold Standard Review of Trial Data Concludes
By Dr Robert Malone"
https://dailysceptic.org/2023/02/02/masks-dont-work-gold-standard-review-of-trial-data-concludes/
She said they would be effective, if used properly. Disposable three ply, worn correctly, used once and then got rid of correctly.
She added that almost nobody of her acquaintance was using them correctly. So she was dubious about how useful they would be.
Edit - the context was me not wearing my mask correctly...1 -
Try Boccaccio to broaden your horizons.TheScreamingEagles said:
As much as I love Shakespeare, Chaucer is my favourite, The Miller's Tale is the finest piece of writing ever.Nigelb said:
No.ydoethur said:
Corruption?boulay said:
Coincidentally the word “case” in Shakespearean English has a double meaning standing in for the “C” word.noneoftheabove said:
Is there a single reported case of Case getting anything right?TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp
As with 'purse', something that can contain something.
Shakespeare made TSE look like an innocent choirboy.
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More recent article on the issue here.
MAKING TROUBLE
The United States is moving to tighten oversight of studies that could make viruses more dangerous. But how far should it go?
https://www.science.org/content/article/u-s-weighs-crackdown-experiments-could-make-viruses-more-dangerous
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Good morning, everyone.
Mr. Eagles, I just finished reading The Miller's Tale a couple of days ago. Quite the chance of pace from the Knight's.0 -
With football clubs it is a bit more complicated.tlg86 said:By the way, does Lucy Powell not understand what's meant by insolvent or do I not know?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/feb/03/premier-league-and-efl-financial-settlement-is-urgent-insists-labour
With over half of EFL clubs already insolvent, how many more could go bust or face the brink before then?
Does she simply mean running at a loss? Insolvent means you're in the brown stuff doesn't it?
A lot of clubs are technically insolvent as the majority of the debts they owe their owner/related companies
https://www.begbies-traynorgroup.com/news/business-health-statistics/october-2022-football-distress-survey-trouble-ahead-for-english-clubs-as-cost-of-living-crisis-double-whammy-stifles-revenues-and-ramps-up-costs1 -
That was pretty much my guess from the start. Once I learned that the disposable blue ones have a very short effective lifespan (I think I read 15-30 minutes somewhere) it was clear that no matter what the theory about masks was, the reality would be that any effect would be negligible unless the government supplied everyone with N95s.ydoethur said:
I asked a friend of mine who is a surgeon how effective masks were.Andy_JS said:"Masks Don’t Work, Gold Standard Review of Trial Data Concludes
By Dr Robert Malone"
https://dailysceptic.org/2023/02/02/masks-dont-work-gold-standard-review-of-trial-data-concludes/
She said they would be effective, if used properly. Disposable three ply, worn correctly, used once and then got rid of correctly.
She added that almost nobody of her acquaintance was using them correctly. So she was dubious about how useful they would be.0 -
That's not misinformation, and it's not just the US that went mad, we did too along with most of the world.TheScreamingEagles said:
During the COVID-19 pandemic, Malone promoted misinformation about the safety and efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines.Andy_JS said:"Masks Don’t Work, Gold Standard Review of Trial Data Concludes
By Dr Robert Malone"
https://dailysceptic.org/2023/02/02/masks-dont-work-gold-standard-review-of-trial-data-concludes/
On December 30, 2021, Malone claimed on The Joe Rogan Experience podcast that "mass formation psychosis" was developing in American society in its reaction to COVID-19 just as during the rise of Nazi Germany.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Malone#COVID-19_research_and_controversy0 -
That warning paper predates the Covid pandemic.Nigelb said:
That is, as far as I'm aware.Nigelb said:
No, but there is in European mink farms.geoffw said:Is there any gain of function research on avian influenza going on at Wuhan?
Which are BSL0 facilities.
Elsewhere, there's this report from Feb 2019:
.
Controversial experiments that could make bird flu more risky poised to resume
Two “gain of function” projects halted more than 4 years ago have passed new U.S. review process
https://www.science.org/content/article/exclusive-controversial-experiments-make-bird-flu-more-risky-poised-resume
a U.S. government review panel quietly approved experiments proposed by two labs that were previously considered so dangerous that federal officials had imposed an unusual top-down moratorium on such research. … [scientists] believe certain studies that aim to make pathogens more potent or more likely to spread in mammals are so risky they should be limited or even banned.
Looks to me like the politicos need to get some control over what these labs get up to.
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In the Premier League, distress has risen by 75% since March and is now affecting seven of the 20 top-flight clubs.TheScreamingEagles said:
With football clubs it is a bit more complicated.tlg86 said:By the way, does Lucy Powell not understand what's meant by insolvent or do I not know?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/feb/03/premier-league-and-efl-financial-settlement-is-urgent-insists-labour
With over half of EFL clubs already insolvent, how many more could go bust or face the brink before then?
Does she simply mean running at a loss? Insolvent means you're in the brown stuff doesn't it?
A lot of clubs are technically insolvent as the majority of the debts they owe their owner/related companies
https://www.begbies-traynorgroup.com/news/business-health-statistics/october-2022-football-distress-survey-trouble-ahead-for-english-clubs-as-cost-of-living-crisis-double-whammy-stifles-revenues-and-ramps-up-costs
Proof that it's a useless measure.0 -
Starting in mid-2021, Malone received criticism for propagating COVID-19 misinformation and conspiracy theories, including making "dangerous" and misleading claims about the toxicity of spike proteins generated by some COVID-19 vaccines; using interviews on mass media to popularize medication with ivermectin; and tweeting a study by others questioning vaccine safety that was later retracted.Driver said:
That's not misinformation, and it's not just the US that went mad, we did to along with most of the world.TheScreamingEagles said:
During the COVID-19 pandemic, Malone promoted misinformation about the safety and efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines.Andy_JS said:"Masks Don’t Work, Gold Standard Review of Trial Data Concludes
By Dr Robert Malone"
https://dailysceptic.org/2023/02/02/masks-dont-work-gold-standard-review-of-trial-data-concludes/
On December 30, 2021, Malone claimed on The Joe Rogan Experience podcast that "mass formation psychosis" was developing in American society in its reaction to COVID-19 just as during the rise of Nazi Germany.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Malone#COVID-19_research_and_controversy0 -
If you wanted to do it right, lots of air filters in enclosed spaces would be far better. But I have a nagging suspicion that mask mandates were actually more about the the message than any serious attempts to suppress covid via masks.ydoethur said:
I asked a friend of mine who is a surgeon how effective masks were.Andy_JS said:"Masks Don’t Work, Gold Standard Review of Trial Data Concludes
By Dr Robert Malone"
https://dailysceptic.org/2023/02/02/masks-dont-work-gold-standard-review-of-trial-data-concludes/
She said they would be effective, if used properly. Disposable three ply, worn correctly, used once and then got rid of correctly.
She added that almost nobody of her acquaintance was using them correctly. So she was dubious about how useful they would be.
Frankly for governments worldwide who claimed to be following the science, we seemed to have learned very little in three years. Our local GP surgery still has receptionists behind a Perspex screen, despite three years of evidence that covid is aerosolised, not droplet based. They also insist on masks, where our local hospital does not, except in certain settings. Madness.2 -
Insolvent means you can't pay your debts, I think. I wouldn't be at all surprised if half the EFL clubs were technically insolvent.tlg86 said:By the way, does Lucy Powell not understand what's meant by insolvent or do I not know?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/feb/03/premier-league-and-efl-financial-settlement-is-urgent-insists-labour
With over half of EFL clubs already insolvent, how many more could go bust or face the brink before then?
Does she simply mean running at a loss? Insolvent means you're in the brown stuff doesn't it?0 -
In the Championship half the owners are essentially betting £20m-£40m a year on getting promoted which guarantees £200m.TheScreamingEagles said:
With football clubs it is a bit more complicated.tlg86 said:By the way, does Lucy Powell not understand what's meant by insolvent or do I not know?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/feb/03/premier-league-and-efl-financial-settlement-is-urgent-insists-labour
With over half of EFL clubs already insolvent, how many more could go bust or face the brink before then?
Does she simply mean running at a loss? Insolvent means you're in the brown stuff doesn't it?
A lot of clubs are technically insolvent as the majority of the debts they owe their owner/related companies
https://www.begbies-traynorgroup.com/news/business-health-statistics/october-2022-football-distress-survey-trouble-ahead-for-english-clubs-as-cost-of-living-crisis-double-whammy-stifles-revenues-and-ramps-up-costs
It is a net losing play for the basket of clubs but even more divided on an individual basis as you get 3 winners and about 9 losers each season.0 -
No, they're just farms.geoffw said:
But open to possible infection from wild birds, as happened recently.
At that point, thousands of mink, housed in close proximity, provide an ideal environment for the non mammalian virus to develop a mutation which enables better mammal to mammal transmission.0 -
Of course they were. Our government admitted as much, almost in as many words, at one point.turbotubbs said:
If you wanted to do it right, lots of air filters in enclosed spaces would be far better. But I have a nagging suspicion that mask mandates were actually more about the the message than any serious attempts to suppress covid via masks.ydoethur said:
I asked a friend of mine who is a surgeon how effective masks were.Andy_JS said:"Masks Don’t Work, Gold Standard Review of Trial Data Concludes
By Dr Robert Malone"
https://dailysceptic.org/2023/02/02/masks-dont-work-gold-standard-review-of-trial-data-concludes/
She said they would be effective, if used properly. Disposable three ply, worn correctly, used once and then got rid of correctly.
She added that almost nobody of her acquaintance was using them correctly. So she was dubious about how useful they would be.0 -
I thought the masks were not to stop you getting Covid, but to stop you spreading it? A sort of strapped on handkerchief?ydoethur said:
I asked a friend of mine who is a surgeon how effective masks were.Andy_JS said:"Masks Don’t Work, Gold Standard Review of Trial Data Concludes
By Dr Robert Malone"
https://dailysceptic.org/2023/02/02/masks-dont-work-gold-standard-review-of-trial-data-concludes/
She said they would be effective, if used properly. Disposable three ply, worn correctly, used once and then got rid of correctly.
She added that almost nobody of her acquaintance was using them correctly. So she was dubious about how useful they would be.
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Couple of things worked in Major's favour in 1995. There was the catharsis of the "back me or sack me" leadership election, and the economy started to do unambiguously well. Neither of those looks like being in play this cycle.NickPalmer said:Idle enquiry - when do PBers feel that "mid-term" is over and any substantial swingback should start to appear? My sense is May, after the local elections. IIRC Major started to recover at the corresponding time in 1992-97.
The other thing I'm wondering is whether there will be a shakedown of "what's the best way to kick the Conservatives?" voters. The sort of people who are probably saying Labour to pollsters now, but will look out of their windows at some point and remember the demographics of where they live. That might lead to a closing of headline intentions, but wouldn't be to Sunak's advantage.0 -
You can run an individual company insolvent within a group. The key thing auditors want to see is evidence of future profitability.0
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I don't understand why anyone thinks that Raab is toast. He should be. He could be. But this is the modern Tory party. Patel was found to have bullied and yet was pointedly allowed to stay in office because screw the code. Zahawi was *appointed* to oversee the same HMRC investigating his tax affairs despite the explicit warnings because screw you we do what we want.
The rules do not apply to the Tory party. The law. Morality. They have been openly trousering public money for them and their spiv friends and not only are we not supposed to care how much money has been stolen, we're supposed to ignore it all and blame Starmer.
Perhaps the polls remain as terrible for the Tories because even the most apolitical now know all of this. Incompetent. Immoral. Corrupt. A change of leader won't suddenly change their behaviour.2 -
Isn't it illegal to carry on trading if you are insolvent?Driver said:
Insolvent means you can't pay your debts, I think. I wouldn't be at all surprised if half the EFL clubs were technically insolvent.tlg86 said:By the way, does Lucy Powell not understand what's meant by insolvent or do I not know?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/feb/03/premier-league-and-efl-financial-settlement-is-urgent-insists-labour
With over half of EFL clubs already insolvent, how many more could go bust or face the brink before then?
Does she simply mean running at a loss? Insolvent means you're in the brown stuff doesn't it?0 -
A bit, yes. But as has been explained very often, it needs to be the right mask, used the right way, with other intervention. Surgeons wear masks, but also sterilise all equipment, wash thoroughly etc.Beibheirli_C said:
I thought the masks were not to stop you getting Covid, but to stop you spreading it? A sort of strapped on handkerchief?ydoethur said:
I asked a friend of mine who is a surgeon how effective masks were.Andy_JS said:"Masks Don’t Work, Gold Standard Review of Trial Data Concludes
By Dr Robert Malone"
https://dailysceptic.org/2023/02/02/masks-dont-work-gold-standard-review-of-trial-data-concludes/
She said they would be effective, if used properly. Disposable three ply, worn correctly, used once and then got rid of correctly.
She added that almost nobody of her acquaintance was using them correctly. So she was dubious about how useful they would be.
Scraps of cloth going on and off the face, into the pocket, out again etc are not the same.
Masks were and are an active deterrent to some people from going out. I attended the Discworld convention in August 2022 where masks were still required (in a hotel with other guests who did not have to wear them). This was for the benefit of more vulnerable visitors, but I suspect the main benefit was placebo.0 -
Not if group creditors are > than your negative equity.squareroot2 said:
Isn't it illegal to carry on trading if you are insolvent?Driver said:
Insolvent means you can't pay your debts, I think. I wouldn't be at all surprised if half the EFL clubs were technically insolvent.tlg86 said:By the way, does Lucy Powell not understand what's meant by insolvent or do I not know?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/feb/03/premier-league-and-efl-financial-settlement-is-urgent-insists-labour
With over half of EFL clubs already insolvent, how many more could go bust or face the brink before then?
Does she simply mean running at a loss? Insolvent means you're in the brown stuff doesn't it?0 -
The Cochrane review is legit though.FeersumEnjineeya said:
What a fine echo chamber of conspiracy theory nuttery that site is!Andy_JS said:"Masks Don’t Work, Gold Standard Review of Trial Data Concludes
By Dr Robert Malone"
https://dailysceptic.org/2023/02/02/masks-dont-work-gold-standard-review-of-trial-data-concludes/
What I haven't been able to determine, from a brief skim (may need to go back to the original papers) is whether the outcomes were among mask wearers or among the general population.
I'd expect a very moderate, if any, effect of protection for mask wearers (as there they may not wear masks at all appropriate times, a lot of intra-household infection etc - no one wears a mask at home, presumably). What's more interesting, but far harder to measure, is whether general mask use in a population reduces the level of infection in that population compared to no mask use. There, it's hard to generate the counterfactual.
If anyone has insight on which this review covers, I'd be interested.
ETA: Also important to note that the review (politely) says that a lot of the primary studies are a bit shit, so there's still uncertainty (garbage in -> garbage out, however good the review process).3 -
In 1997 about 14% of 1992 Tories voted Labour, so Starmer is still doing worse than Blair in actually winning over voters from the Tories and of course the Tories got a bigger voteshare in 2019 than 1992 too.Stuartinromford said:
Couple of things worked in Major's favour in 1995. There was the catharsis of the "back me or sack me" leadership election, and the economy started to do unambiguously well. Neither of those looks like being in play this cycle.NickPalmer said:Idle enquiry - when do PBers feel that "mid-term" is over and any substantial swingback should start to appear? My sense is May, after the local elections. IIRC Major started to recover at the corresponding time in 1992-97.
The other thing I'm wondering is whether there will be a shakedown of "what's the best way to kick the Conservatives?" voters. The sort of people who are probably saying Labour to pollsters now, but will look out of their windows at some point and remember the demographics of where they live. That might lead to a closing of headline intentions, but wouldn't be to Sunak's advantage.
He can't afford much leakage back to the Tories if DKs and RefUK voters return to Sunak0 -
Presumably your surgeon friend is aware that they wear a mask to prevent infection of the patient, not themselves.ydoethur said:
I asked a friend of mine who is a surgeon how effective masks were.Andy_JS said:"Masks Don’t Work, Gold Standard Review of Trial Data Concludes
By Dr Robert Malone"
https://dailysceptic.org/2023/02/02/masks-dont-work-gold-standard-review-of-trial-data-concludes/
She said they would be effective, if used properly. Disposable three ply, worn correctly, used once and then got rid of correctly.
She added that almost nobody of her acquaintance was using them correctly. So she was dubious about how useful they would be.
I agree though that few lay people wear masks correctly.3 -
On topic: Is it time for 'Rishi is Crap Is PM'?2
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Certainly for the next 20 months.Selebian said:On topic: Is it time for 'Rishi is Crap Is PM'?
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The more junior staff specialise in certain areas of legislation, and when there's a meeting on a particular issue or particular bill, more junior staff are likely to be pulled in as note-takers or to sit and deal with any detailed questions that arise. So although junior staff wouldn't have regular day-to-day contact with a minister, over time many of them are likely to have sat in on meetings where s/he was present.tlg86 said:
I've never worked in a ministerial department, so I don't what it's like, but what surprises me about this is the implication that quite a lot of civil servants work in and around the minister. In my mind, the minister works with the permanent secretary and perhaps the next few down from them, but I wouldn't have thought they'd have that close contact with many others.TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp0 -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_1997_United_Kingdom_general_electionStuartinromford said:
Couple of things worked in Major's favour in 1995. There was the catharsis of the "back me or sack me" leadership election, and the economy started to do unambiguously well. Neither of those looks like being in play this cycle.NickPalmer said:Idle enquiry - when do PBers feel that "mid-term" is over and any substantial swingback should start to appear? My sense is May, after the local elections. IIRC Major started to recover at the corresponding time in 1992-97.
The other thing I'm wondering is whether there will be a shakedown of "what's the best way to kick the Conservatives?" voters. The sort of people who are probably saying Labour to pollsters now, but will look out of their windows at some point and remember the demographics of where they live. That might lead to a closing of headline intentions, but wouldn't be to Sunak's advantage.
The tactical swing to the Lib Dems only showed up at the end in 1997.0 -
Or less...Stuartinromford said:
Certainly for the next 20 months.Selebian said:On topic: Is it time for 'Rishi is Crap Is PM'?
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If you look through the history of government taking control in industry, versus really competitive tendering, in the UK, the corruption is evident.Gardenwalker said:
This blanket attitude is defunct.Fishing said:
Government splashing lots of other people's money into favoured companies and projects.Gardenwalker said:
Infrastructuredixiedean said:
In what?Anabobazina said:Three point plan for the UK:
Invest. Invest. Invest.
R&D
Industrial strategy
Public sector capital
What could possibly go wrong?
Corruption, mismanagement, incompetence, gigantic waste ...
Actually, more to the point, what could possibly go right?
It’s no longer working (if it ever worked).
As @Malmesbury points out, the government needs to incent industries and success, rather than individual “winners”.
Otherwise the risk is corruption etc as you say.
The untold story of rearmament in the the 1930s is how a lot of people sent government money to companies and strangely, found themselves getting big jobs at said companies a little time later. The contracts for the first batch of the KGV battleships stink, in particular.
Incidentally, yesterday, someone was talking about limiting profits. An interesting example of this is the American FAR (Federal Acquisition Regulations) system. Profits are limited, all kinds of inspections are required, for most US government work.
The result has been corruption, political jobbery and insane costs. The last is obvious - if you are limited to 20%, 20% of a billion is better than 20% of a million, right?
See the story of how NASA spent more than the entire Starship development project by SpaceX. On a launch tower. Which will need to be replaced, by another tower. Because the first one can't deal with the next iteration of the SLS (Senate Launch System) rocket.1 -
IMHO the swingback occurs less because people start to give the government a more sympathetic hearing, but because as the election approaches attention from the media and commentariat starts to focus on what the opposition do, and the narrative changes from "this lot are shit so I am voting for the other lot" to "which of these is better?". Inevitably some voters, when they start to contemplate voting for the other lot, will find things they don't like and change their minds.NickPalmer said:Idle enquiry - when do PBers feel that "mid-term" is over and any substantial swingback should start to appear? My sense is May, after the local elections. IIRC Major started to recover at the corresponding time in 1992-97.
So the question is when Labour will start to set out its stall - they won't want to do it too early but on the other hand can't afford to leave starting on it too late?2 -
More from that 2019 paper, op cit:Nigelb said:
No, they're just farms.geoffw said:
But open to possible infection from wild birds, as happened recently.
At that point, thousands of mink, housed in close proximity, provide an ideal environment for the non mammalian virus to develop a mutation which enables better mammal to mammal transmission.
"In 2011, Fouchier and Kawaoka alarmed the world by revealing they had separately modified the deadly avian H5N1 influenza virus so that it spread between ferrets. Advocates of such gain of function (GOF) studies say they can help public health experts better understand how viruses might spread and plan for pandemics. But by enabling the bird virus to more easily spread among mammals, the experiments also raised fears that the pathogen could jump to humans. And critics of the work worried that such a souped-up virus could spark a pandemic if it escaped from a lab or was intentionally released by a bioterrorist. "
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I still don't understand why, if the goal is to prevent virus transmission, N95s aren't used. There's no shortage now.Foxy said:
Presumably your surgeon friend is aware that they wear a mask to prevent infection of the patient, not themselves.ydoethur said:
I asked a friend of mine who is a surgeon how effective masks were.Andy_JS said:"Masks Don’t Work, Gold Standard Review of Trial Data Concludes
By Dr Robert Malone"
https://dailysceptic.org/2023/02/02/masks-dont-work-gold-standard-review-of-trial-data-concludes/
She said they would be effective, if used properly. Disposable three ply, worn correctly, used once and then got rid of correctly.
She added that almost nobody of her acquaintance was using them correctly. So she was dubious about how useful they would be.
I agree though that few lay people wear masks correctly.
A relative insists on them for dust/fibre environments on a building site. Given that manual labourers seem to be able to use them....0 -
Or some French fabliauxgeoffw said:
Try Boccaccio to broaden your horizons.TheScreamingEagles said:
As much as I love Shakespeare, Chaucer is my favourite, The Miller's Tale is the finest piece of writing ever.Nigelb said:
No.ydoethur said:
Corruption?boulay said:
Coincidentally the word “case” in Shakespearean English has a double meaning standing in for the “C” word.noneoftheabove said:
Is there a single reported case of Case getting anything right?TheScreamingEagles said:Case and Raab are buggered.
The cabinet secretary was personally informed of a written complaint against Dominic Raab months before Rishi Sunak reappointed him as justice secretary, The Times has been told.
Simon Case was warned that officials had made documented allegations about the behaviour of the deputy prime minister that were being taken seriously by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).
An inquiry into Raab’s behaviour has been told that the deputy prime minister had to be spoken to about his behaviour towards officials last spring, when Boris Johnson was prime minister, and that Britain’s top civil servant was made aware.
In addition, The Times understands that dozens of civil servants have submitted written statements in support of Raab’s accusers, saying that while they were not personally bullied they saw it happening to their colleagues.
It will raise further questions about Sunak’s defence that he was not aware of any “formal complaint” against Raab when bringing him back into government, as well as whether and how Case raised the matter with the prime minister.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/simon-case-was-told-of-dominic-raab-bullying-before-sunak-rehired-him-lstjvl9wp
As with 'purse', something that can contain something.
Shakespeare made TSE look like an innocent choirboy.
"Le Chevalier qui fit les cons parler" is quite a tale
Did any French papers have the headline "Cons gagnent" when the Tories won elections?0 -
This - when the public begins to sense an election coming.IanB2 said:
IMHO the swingback occurs less because people start to give the government a more sympathetic hearing, but because as the election approaches attention from the media and commentariat starts to focus on what the opposition do, and the narrative changes from "this lot are shit so I am voting for the other lot" to "which of these is better?". Inevitably some voters, when they start to contemplate voting for the other lot, will find things they don't like and change their minds.NickPalmer said:Idle enquiry - when do PBers feel that "mid-term" is over and any substantial swingback should start to appear? My sense is May, after the local elections. IIRC Major started to recover at the corresponding time in 1992-97.
So the question is when Labour will start to set out its stall - they won't want to do it too early but on the other hand can't afford to leave starting on it too late?0 -
The interview on the Today program around 6.50 is worth a listen for those interested.
“If we don’t have a semiconductor strategy, we’re walking away from one of the biggest industries in the world” Simon Thomas from
@Paragraf_Gr told @amolrajan
https://mobile.twitter.com/kprescott/status/16214238267718737931 -
Before the 1997 election, when did Labour commit to sticking to Tory spending plans for the first two years?IanB2 said:
IMHO the swingback occurs less because people start to give the government a more sympathetic hearing, but because as the election approaches attention from the media and commentariat starts to focus on what the opposition do, and the narrative changes from "this lot are shit so I am voting for the other lot" to "which of these is better?". Inevitably some voters, when they start to contemplate voting for the other lot, will find things they don't like and change their minds.NickPalmer said:Idle enquiry - when do PBers feel that "mid-term" is over and any substantial swingback should start to appear? My sense is May, after the local elections. IIRC Major started to recover at the corresponding time in 1992-97.
So the question is when Labour will start to set out its stall - they won't want to do it too early but on the other hand can't afford to leave starting on it too late?
Found this in the Guardian from January 1997:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/1997/jan/21/economy.uk
The Shadow Chancellor, Gordon Brown, last night seized the initiative in the pre-election battle on tax when he risked the wrath of leftwingers and the unions by pledging not to raise tax rates in the life of the next parliament.
It goes on to say:
Mr Brown's promise, combined with a commitment to stick by the Conservative Party's public spending plans for the first two years, caught ministers flat-footed as they prepared to relaunch the familiar pre-election tax-and-spend attack on Labour, which Tony Blair's heavily orchestrated campaign is determined to neutralise.
So that commitment had already been made by then.
I think your analysis is spot on. Blair and Mandelson all over this stuff in the run up to 1997. I don't get the sense that Starmer is. Perhaps he doesn't need to be, but it's what makes this situation different to 1997 in my opinion.0 -
The striking thing is how it took a single short event like Truss to cut through to those voters who had stuck with the Tories despite all the shambles and scandals of the Johnson years. Things seemed bad enough for the Tories through Partygate and the rest, but there were still people who needed the shock of Truss for the scales to fall from their eyes.0
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Yup.Nigelb said:The interview on the Today program around 6.50 is worth a listen for those interested.
“If we don’t have a semiconductor strategy, we’re walking away from one of the biggest industries in the world” Simon Thomas from
@Paragraf_Gr told @amolrajan
https://mobile.twitter.com/kprescott/status/1621423826771873793
Again, simple. X per chip class (processor, GP etc) actually produced at scale. X scaled to UK added value.
The advatanges of such schemes, are
1) that the risk is kept private.
2) politically, you are spending a future governments money. You won't be minister when the subsidy payments are actually required. Since building the factory will take a decade.0 -
Except there isn't really such a thing as too early. From those policies which have started to dribble out (see the racist funding of businesses yesterday) I am starting to get the impression it's because they know that the things they really want to do are either irrelevant to or actively off-putting for swing voters.IanB2 said:
IMHO the swingback occurs less because people start to give the government a more sympathetic hearing, but because as the election approaches attention from the media and commentariat starts to focus on what the opposition do, and the narrative changes from "this lot are shit so I am voting for the other lot" to "which of these is better?". Inevitably some voters, when they start to contemplate voting for the other lot, will find things they don't like and change their minds.NickPalmer said:Idle enquiry - when do PBers feel that "mid-term" is over and any substantial swingback should start to appear? My sense is May, after the local elections. IIRC Major started to recover at the corresponding time in 1992-97.
So the question is when Labour will start to set out its stall - they won't want to do it too early but on the other hand can't afford to leave starting on it too late?0
