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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,574
    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:

    @Liz_Wheeler
    If Apple & Google boot Twitter from their app stores, @elonmusk should produce his own smartphone. Half the country would happily ditch the biased, snooping iPhone & Android. The man builds rockets to Mars, a silly little smartphone should be easy, right?

    @elonmusk
    I certainly hope it does not come to that, but, yes, if there is no other choice, I will make an alternative phone


    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596268804413476864

    ‘Cos Musk has no such plans to snoop on users’ stuff ?
    How dumb can you get ?

    Also, what rocket to Mars ?
    Apple and Google certainly need some competition.
    The Premier League ?
    Tim Cook wants Apple to buy Manchester United soccer team
    https://twitter.com/appleinsider/status/1595900222801989632
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,958
    rcs1000 said:

    Putin shares the pain with mothers who have lost their sons in Ukraine

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63760278

    And a number of those "mothers" have appeared in other Kremlin photo ops - sometimes in the same clothes.

    File under #PutinDon'tReallyGiveAFuck
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,618

    ydoethur said:

    Cookie said:

    pigeon said:

    kinabalu said:

    pigeon said:

    Curse of ITV strikes again.

    You lot have all missed The One Show (featuring a chat with Cliff Richard!!!), followed by a repeat of a documentary about showmen travellers in East Anglia, AND an old episode of Celebrity Antiques Road Trip on BBC2, by the way. I am yet to recover from the excitement.
    Does he have a Christmas single for us this year?
    Probably, but dunno. One confesses that one has actually been shopping, rather than paying any real attention to the telly.
    On Wednesdays, on the way home with my oldest, I call in at Tesco in Stretford for her to get some ice tea and mentos while I marvel at the range of highly specific fishing magazines on offer. This week, alongside at least three publications dedicated to carp in different circumstances, I was startled to see the publication "Christmas with Cliff". How can this have enough content for a whole magazine? And how is there enough demand to merit puttting it together?
    Judging by the cover, the old fella nowadays looks like a waxwork of Cliff Richard.
    You see the thing is, once you've got an interest in angling, you'll buy everything because you're addicted. Yes, you're totally hooked.
    Another one for the ledger.
    Zis “ledger” - is it somezing like Zeeee List?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,618
    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:

    @Liz_Wheeler
    If Apple & Google boot Twitter from their app stores, @elonmusk should produce his own smartphone. Half the country would happily ditch the biased, snooping iPhone & Android. The man builds rockets to Mars, a silly little smartphone should be easy, right?

    @elonmusk
    I certainly hope it does not come to that, but, yes, if there is no other choice, I will make an alternative phone


    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596268804413476864

    ‘Cos Musk has no such plans to snoop on users’ stuff ?
    How dumb can you get ?

    Also, what rocket to Mars ?
    Apple and Google certainly need some competition.
    The Premier League ?
    Tim Cook wants Apple to buy Manchester United soccer team
    https://twitter.com/appleinsider/status/1595900222801989632
    “We need to catch up with Elon. Find my something stupid to buy. Now!!!”
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,880
    rcs1000 said:

    Putin shares the pain with mothers who have lost their sons in Ukraine

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63760278

    Serving them a Y-Class airline breakfast was a weird move even by VVP's standards.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,574
    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:

    @Liz_Wheeler
    If Apple & Google boot Twitter from their app stores, @elonmusk should produce his own smartphone. Half the country would happily ditch the biased, snooping iPhone & Android. The man builds rockets to Mars, a silly little smartphone should be easy, right?

    @elonmusk
    I certainly hope it does not come to that, but, yes, if there is no other choice, I will make an alternative phone


    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596268804413476864

    ‘Cos Musk has no such plans to snoop on users’ stuff ?
    How dumb can you get ?

    Also, what rocket to Mars ?
    Apple and Google certainly need some competition.
    More seriously, assuming competition authorities didn’t hobble it, integration with both Starlink and Tesla cars might give a Musk phone some competitive edge.
    But does he have the resources ? Developing a competitive system would be very expensive indeed. And he blew a lot of liquidity on Twitter.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited November 2022
    Paging Leon.....

    Working with Midjourney, director Tristan Holmes created this video over a 30 day period entering prompts, using AI image generation of more than 10,000 frames, and creating frames to link the video together.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpUpVznI4Yc

    A million views in a week.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,574

    rcs1000 said:

    Putin shares the pain with mothers who have lost their sons in Ukraine

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63760278

    And a number of those "mothers" have appeared in other Kremlin photo ops - sometimes in the same clothes.

    File under #PutinDon'tReallyGiveAFuck
    Some speculation that Putin there also might be a double.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 6,762

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Put it this way, Cyclefree and myself would have a field day with this.


    HSBC froze bank accounts linked to Tory peer Baroness Michelle Mone and her husband Douglas Barrowman during an investigation that examined possible corruption in securing government contracts.

    An internal HSBC report, seen by the Financial Times, traces money transferred by PPE Medpro, which received £202mn of government orders for personal protective equipment in the pandemic, to accounts that benefited Barrowman and Mone.

    PPE Medpro’s bid to supply the UK government in 2020 was placed in a “high-priority lane” after lobbying from Mone even as she maintained that she had no involvement in the company. Barrowman has also previously denied being an “investor” in PPE Medpro.

    HSBC unfroze the accounts in November 2020 after assurances from Barrowman, only to immediately raise fresh red flags over “discrepancies” in information provided by the businessman and his wife, according to its report.

    Barrowman assured the bank that neither he nor his wife had any role advising UK government officials on PPE procurement and that Mone had no involvement in the business activities of PPE Medpro, the report says.

    However, Mone told the bank that she and Barrowman advised government ministers on procurement and complained that the frozen accounts were damaging PPE Medpro, “indicating [she] may indeed have had an interest” in the supplier, HSBC found.

    The Guardian this week first revealed the existence of the HSBC report, including that accounts linked to Mone received profits from PPE Medpro. This article contains new details about HSBC’s findings and the responses from Barrowman and Mone.


    See the big mistake they made is going with HSBC, you can't trust them to keep your financial deals secret. Should have gone with Coutts, far more discretion.
    Nah, as any fule nows, Coutts are owned by the UK government, if you want if you want a bank to cover up your illegality discretion with a bank go to Deutsche Bank.
    Good point...Deutsche Bank in the middle east who got a lawyer sacked after they questioned why constant shortages of cash there appeared to be due to allowing a small number of individuals to literally withdrawal cash in wheel barrows.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50205956
    Yup.

    I also wouldn't work for HSBC.

    I think they literally financed Iranian terrorism and were the bank for the IRGC.
    Thank goodness we have moderators looking out for intemperate comments like that.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/hsbc-terrorists_n_4467329
    I think that the question of whether you can defame an international bank is a genuinely interesting question. It really requires extraordinary imagination to think of something that they haven't actually done multiple times.
    Work for Rothschild & Co, the worst thing they can say about us is that we control the world.
    If you are happy believing that, don’t research too deeply into Amschel’s unfortunate death.
  • DJ41DJ41 Posts: 792
    edited November 2022

    @Liz_Wheeler
    If Apple & Google boot Twitter from their app stores, @elonmusk should produce his own smartphone. Half the country would happily ditch the biased, snooping iPhone & Android. The man builds rockets to Mars, a silly little smartphone should be easy, right?

    @elonmusk
    I certainly hope it does not come to that, but, yes, if there is no other choice, I will make an alternative phone


    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596268804413476864

    As if it's easy as that, even if you're as rich as he is. Google could eat Musk for breakfast. (As possibly he may be about to find out.)

    What's the point of him saying stuff like this? Is it basically fluff?

    What next? If he can't shift as many Teslas as he wants in Las Vegas, will he set up a rival gambling city too?

    Even if you're Elon Musk, wanting to do certain things doesn't mean you'll be successful.
  • Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    @Liz_Wheeler
    If Apple & Google boot Twitter from their app stores, @elonmusk should produce his own smartphone. Half the country would happily ditch the biased, snooping iPhone & Android. The man builds rockets to Mars, a silly little smartphone should be easy, right?

    @elonmusk
    I certainly hope it does not come to that, but, yes, if there is no other choice, I will make an alternative phone


    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596268804413476864

    ‘Cos Musk has no such plans to snoop on users’ stuff ?
    How dumb can you get ?

    Also, what rocket to Mars ?
    After some deliberation I have decided I am done with this fuckpiece and have deleted my Twitter account. 2,000+ followers, 10+ years of horrendous abuse of tories, a like from Gerry Adams and many, many suspensions... all gone. Like tears in the rain.
    Don't suppose you're on mastodon? It's pretty good and it's nice not to have the ads or the algorithm but the politics part of my feed still feels a little bit high-minded, we could do with some pb people to lower the tone.
  • rcs1000 said:

    Putin shares the pain with mothers who have lost their sons in Ukraine

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63760278

    That's nice of him.

    I know a lot of people have a bit of a go at him about invading a sovereign country for no good reason, killing a lot of Ukrainians and a lot of Russians too. But there's tea AND a shed load of petit fours on that table, together with a top dislpay of empathy.

    Perhaps we've misjudged him and should give him a second chance. Who's with me?
  • Only question now is which seat they will those responsible be standing in at a future GE....

    Cambridge University drinking society 'set student on fire who was hospitalised after being made to run with lit toilet roll tucked into his shorts in initiation ceremony'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11469923/Cambridge-drinking-society-set-student-fire-lit-toilet-roll-shorts-initiation.html
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 6,762

    rcs1000 said:

    Putin shares the pain with mothers who have lost their sons in Ukraine

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63760278

    That's nice of him.

    I know a lot of people have a bit of a go at him about invading a sovereign country for no good reason, killing a lot of Ukrainians and a lot of Russians too. But there's tea AND a shed load of petit fours on that table, together with a top dislpay of empathy.

    Perhaps we've misjudged him and should give him a second chance. Who's with me?
    Vladimir Poutin
    Vlad “the Mad” Buntin
    Voldemyr Pulin

    Etc
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,880

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    @Liz_Wheeler
    If Apple & Google boot Twitter from their app stores, @elonmusk should produce his own smartphone. Half the country would happily ditch the biased, snooping iPhone & Android. The man builds rockets to Mars, a silly little smartphone should be easy, right?

    @elonmusk
    I certainly hope it does not come to that, but, yes, if there is no other choice, I will make an alternative phone


    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596268804413476864

    ‘Cos Musk has no such plans to snoop on users’ stuff ?
    How dumb can you get ?

    Also, what rocket to Mars ?
    After some deliberation I have decided I am done with this fuckpiece and have deleted my Twitter account. 2,000+ followers, 10+ years of horrendous abuse of tories, a like from Gerry Adams and many, many suspensions... all gone. Like tears in the rain.
    Don't suppose you're on mastodon? It's pretty good and it's nice not to have the ads or the algorithm but the politics part of my feed still feels a little bit high-minded, we could do with some pb people to lower the tone.
    Somebody (might have been on here) told me that setting up is like trying to decipher the Voynich manuscript when you can't find your glasses (I'm paraphrasing). I'll get one of my students to do it for me.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,787
    @JavierBlas
    OIL MARKET: European Union diplomats suspended talks on the G7 Russian oil price cap, as Poland and the Baltic states objected to a proposal they consider too generous to Moscow | #OOTT


    https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1596263593024303105
  • Sadiq Khan is planning to roll out a “Singapore-style” network of toll roads across London once drivers have switched to electric vehicles.

    The London mayor said that road pricing will be introduced to replace the congestion charge and levies for the Ultra-low emission zone (Ulez) that could use a network of cameras across the capital.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/11/25/whole-london-hit-ulez-expansion-ordered-sadiq-khan/
  • rcs1000 said:

    You know, Wales can still win the group.

    If the US draws against Iran, then the US has 3 points, and Iran 4, with the US having zero goal difference and Iran -4.

    If Wales then beats England 4-0, then they move up to 4 points as well, with +2 goal difference, while England drops 0 goal difference. (A 3-0 victory would not be enough, as England would then win on goals scored. However, something like 6-3 would be enough for Wales I think.)

    If the US draws Iran, then any victory by Wales sends them through due to Iran's rubbish goal difference.

    F. F. S.

    Football teams are plural, not singular.

    I know you live in LA but you don’t need to adopt their grammar.

    I have said this over and again.

    Even Nick Palmer - Nick Palmer of Godalming, Surrey, England - was doing this recently.

    Somebody make it stop. 🤮
    Agreed.

    Also Iran would have -2 g.d.
  • DJ41DJ41 Posts: 792
    edited November 2022
    Some light relief. Former diplomat Craig Murray on the banality of English colonial evil:

    "I live in the capital of my country. I had to travel hundreds of miles to the capital of a foreign country to hear a bunch of unionist judges, the majority from a foreign country, declare that my country has no right to existence, indeed my country only exists at all in so far as it was incorporated by a foreign parliament in the Scotland Act of 1998.

    It was cold and wet, walking to the Supremes Court his morning from Albert Embankment. Londoners were hurrying to their jobs with heads bowed, collars up and gloved hands clutching umbrellas against a driving rain. It was mundane. There was no sense of excitement and no indication anything in particular was happening at the Supreme Court. Arriving at 9am there was no queue, and I was the third person into the courtroom.
    "

    Craig ran a good website for a while, so long as nobody mentioned Scotland, and he was brave in the past. But he completely lost it a while back. Apparently Russian-speaking Ukrainians are just like English-speaking Scots. And Catalonia is just like Scotland too. Then there was covid. And the pigeon that sh*t on his head this morning was probably sent by Edward I. It definitely had that look on its beak. And Londoners just walked on by, as if nothing had happened!

    UDI!!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited November 2022
    Sounds a right charmer....

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11470885/Why-did-ex-Guardian-editor-liberal-chums-drill-rapper-platform.html

    Took 2 secs to find out his real name given Mail provided very specific details of his previous offences.

    Also...

    Chinx revealed on Instagram how he has been ‘served with new licence conditions’ which prohibit him from entering Camden and Islington

    The video, which cost £500 to make — and Chinx has now made thousands from — was filmed on the Cumberland Market Estate in Camden.
  • DJ41DJ41 Posts: 792

    Only question now is which seat they will those responsible be standing in at a future GE....

    Cambridge University drinking society 'set student on fire who was hospitalised after being made to run with lit toilet roll tucked into his shorts in initiation ceremony'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11469923/Cambridge-drinking-society-set-student-fire-lit-toilet-roll-shorts-initiation.html

    I hope the young man is OK. Severe burns to the inner thighs. Imagine if parents did that to an 18yo. They'd be up in court. "All the participants bar the injured student are said to have been encouraged to donate £50 to burns charities."
  • DJ41 said:

    Some light relief. Former diplomat Craig Murray on the banality of English colonial evil:

    "I live in the capital of my country. I had to travel hundreds of miles to the capital of a foreign country to hear a bunch of unionist judges, the majority from a foreign country, declare that my country has no right to existence, indeed my country only exists at all in so far as it was incorporated by a foreign parliament in the Scotland Act of 1998.

    It was cold and wet, walking to the Supremes Court his morning from Albert Embankment. Londoners were hurrying to their jobs with heads bowed, collars up and gloved hands clutching umbrellas against a driving rain. It was mundane. There was no sense of excitement and no indication anything in particular was happening at the Supreme Court. Arriving at 9am there was no queue, and I was the third person into the courtroom.
    "


    Craig ran a good website for a while, so long as nobody mentioned Scotland, and he was brave in the past. But he completely lost it a while back. Apparently Russian-speaking Ukrainians are just like English-speaking Scots. And Catalonia is just like Scotland too. Then there was covid. And the pigeon that sh*t on his head this morning was probably sent by Edward I. It definitely had that look on its beak. And Londoners just walked on by, as if nothing had happened!

    UDI!!

    Pish and wind

    English (foreign) pish anarl
  • WillGWillG Posts: 1,995

    rcs1000 said:

    You know, Wales can still win the group.

    If the US draws against Iran, then the US has 3 points, and Iran 4, with the US having zero goal difference and Iran -4.

    If Wales then beats England 4-0, then they move up to 4 points as well, with +2 goal difference, while England drops 0 goal difference. (A 3-0 victory would not be enough, as England would then win on goals scored. However, something like 6-3 would be enough for Wales I think.)

    If the US draws Iran, then any victory by Wales sends them through due to Iran's rubbish goal difference.

    F. F. S.

    Football teams are plural, not singular.

    I know you live in LA but you don’t need to adopt their grammar.

    I have said this over and again.

    Even Nick Palmer - Nick Palmer of Godalming, Surrey, England - was doing this recently.

    Somebody make it stop. 🤮
    Shouldn't immigrants integrate with their host society?

    Honestly, both plural and singular can be correct for this, per the official rules of the language.
  • @Jim_Miller

    "Allow myself to introduce... myself." - Austin Powers.
  • Oh, well. England had an easy time of it against the Iranians, whereas USA looked a decent team, so obviously there's a confidence issue.
  • DJ41 said:

    Some light relief. Former diplomat Craig Murray on the banality of English colonial evil:

    "I live in the capital of my country. I had to travel hundreds of miles to the capital of a foreign country to hear a bunch of unionist judges, the majority from a foreign country, declare that my country has no right to existence, indeed my country only exists at all in so far as it was incorporated by a foreign parliament in the Scotland Act of 1998.

    It was cold and wet, walking to the Supremes Court his morning from Albert Embankment. Londoners were hurrying to their jobs with heads bowed, collars up and gloved hands clutching umbrellas against a driving rain. It was mundane. There was no sense of excitement and no indication anything in particular was happening at the Supreme Court. Arriving at 9am there was no queue, and I was the third person into the courtroom.
    "

    Craig ran a good website for a while, so long as nobody mentioned Scotland, and he was brave in the past. But he completely lost it a while back. Apparently Russian-speaking Ukrainians are just like English-speaking Scots. And Catalonia is just like Scotland too. Then there was covid. And the pigeon that sh*t on his head this morning was probably sent by Edward I. It definitely had that look on its beak. And Londoners just walked on by, as if nothing had happened!

    UDI!!

    Ulster Defence... Initiative?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,770

    rcs1000 said:

    Putin shares the pain with mothers who have lost their sons in Ukraine

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63760278

    That's nice of him.

    I know a lot of people have a bit of a go at him about invading a sovereign country for no good reason, killing a lot of Ukrainians and a lot of Russians too. But there's tea AND a shed load of petit fours on that table, together with a top dislpay of empathy.

    Perhaps we've misjudged him and should give him a second chance. Who's with me?
    @luckyguy ?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,279
    I recently discovered that MIchael Portillo presents a better than average radio show on Times Radio on Friday evenings, (even though he's actually been doing it since May 2020). Today I found out that tonight's programme is his final show. Disappointing.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/radio/show/20221125-12033/2022-11-25
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,415
    edited November 2022
    On topic. Thank you Mike for a brilliant diagram in the header - so many amazing things in there.

    My main take out is supposing opinion poll leads were laid next to this with the eventual general election result, the double digit leads were likely less of a guide to the eventual result than the question asked in this survey. Look how much disagree Miliband is getting, at a time when polling probably looked hopeful. Most of the disagree Starmer has been getting last two years in the same ball park Cameron had in his first election year. Also interesting Blair got eleven point drop from 94 to the approaching election, election year is not anyones peak “ready”
  • Sadiq Khan is planning to roll out a “Singapore-style” network of toll roads across London once drivers have switched to electric vehicles.

    The London mayor said that road pricing will be introduced to replace the congestion charge and levies for the Ultra-low emission zone (Ulez) that could use a network of cameras across the capital.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/11/25/whole-london-hit-ulez-expansion-ordered-sadiq-khan/

    Who'd have thought Sadiq Khan would be the one to deliver Singapore-on-Thames?
    What they never tell you is that a significant proportion of the energy required to charge EVs is from fossil fuels.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,770

    Sadiq Khan is planning to roll out a “Singapore-style” network of toll roads across London once drivers have switched to electric vehicles.

    The London mayor said that road pricing will be introduced to replace the congestion charge and levies for the Ultra-low emission zone (Ulez) that could use a network of cameras across the capital.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/11/25/whole-london-hit-ulez-expansion-ordered-sadiq-khan/

    Who'd have thought Sadiq Khan would be the one to deliver Singapore-on-Thames?
    What they never tell you is that a significant proportion of the energy required to charge EVs is from fossil fuels.
    You mean stored solar, right?
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 5,096
    edited November 2022
    The latest opinion poll Baxtered would give Labour a majority of over 300.

    I look forward to the a thread header setting out the case for what I think is the likeliest outcome: tory annihilation.

    The re-emergence of the Faragists on the right only adds to the tory woes. There's a reason that the young guns are leaving parliament. They think it's all over.

    @MikeSmithson
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 5,096
    Andy_JS said:

    I recently discovered that MIchael Portillo presents a better than average radio show on Times Radio on Friday evenings, (even though he's actually been doing it since May 2020). Today I found out that tonight's programme is his final show. Disappointing.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/radio/show/20221125-12033/2022-11-25

    Isn't that because he has now switched to GB News?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,081

    Only question now is which seat they will those responsible be standing in at a future GE....

    Cambridge University drinking society 'set student on fire who was hospitalised after being made to run with lit toilet roll tucked into his shorts in initiation ceremony'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11469923/Cambridge-drinking-society-set-student-fire-lit-toilet-roll-shorts-initiation.html

    Makes a change from burning down pet shops, I guess? ;)
  • FishingFishing Posts: 4,555
    DJ41 said:

    Some light relief. Former diplomat Craig Murray on the banality of English colonial evil:

    "I live in the capital of my country. I had to travel hundreds of miles to the capital of a foreign country to hear a bunch of unionist judges, the majority from a foreign country, declare that my country has no right to existence, indeed my country only exists at all in so far as it was incorporated by a foreign parliament in the Scotland Act of 1998.

    It was cold and wet, walking to the Supremes Court his morning from Albert Embankment. Londoners were hurrying to their jobs with heads bowed, collars up and gloved hands clutching umbrellas against a driving rain. It was mundane. There was no sense of excitement and no indication anything in particular was happening at the Supreme Court. Arriving at 9am there was no queue, and I was the third person into the courtroom.
    "

    Craig ran a good website for a while, so long as nobody mentioned Scotland, and he was brave in the past. But he completely lost it a while back. Apparently Russian-speaking Ukrainians are just like English-speaking Scots. And Catalonia is just like Scotland too. Then there was covid. And the pigeon that sh*t on his head this morning was probably sent by Edward I. It definitely had that look on its beak. And Londoners just walked on by, as if nothing had happened!

    UDI!!

    I wonder if, when he was ambassador in Uzbekistan, he thought he was representing a foreign country and dealt with his Uzbek hosts accordingly?

    A few years ago I was in Tashkent, and, through a friend, met his successor who had had to clear up the mess he left behind there. Thank God Murray was ambassador in a relatively unimportant post, not Washington or we'd probably be at war with the Americans.
  • Sadiq Khan is planning to roll out a “Singapore-style” network of toll roads across London once drivers have switched to electric vehicles.

    The London mayor said that road pricing will be introduced to replace the congestion charge and levies for the Ultra-low emission zone (Ulez) that could use a network of cameras across the capital.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/11/25/whole-london-hit-ulez-expansion-ordered-sadiq-khan/

    Who'd have thought Sadiq Khan would be the one to deliver Singapore-on-Thames?
    That just goes to show you it's not really about congestion or ultra-low emissions.

    It's about charging.
  • Heathener said:

    The latest opinion poll Baxtered would give Labour a majority of over 300.

    I look forward to the a thread header setting out the case for what I think is the likeliest outcome: tory annihilation.

    The re-emergence of the Faragists on the right only adds to the tory woes. There's a reason that the young guns are leaving parliament. They think it's all over.

    @MikeSmithson

    Will you write such a header?

    Don't get high on your own supply. We are still in the mid-terms.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,081

    Heathener said:

    The latest opinion poll Baxtered would give Labour a majority of over 300.

    I look forward to the a thread header setting out the case for what I think is the likeliest outcome: tory annihilation.

    The re-emergence of the Faragists on the right only adds to the tory woes. There's a reason that the young guns are leaving parliament. They think it's all over.

    @MikeSmithson

    Will you write such a header?

    Don't get high on your own supply. We are still in the mid-terms.
    True, but there is a ‘trashed the brand’ feel about the Tories now, which seems more than usual midterm unpopularity.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 4,199
    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    You know, Wales can still win the group.

    If the US draws against Iran, then the US has 3 points, and Iran 4, with the US having zero goal difference and Iran -4.

    If Wales then beats England 4-0, then they move up to 4 points as well, with +2 goal difference, while England drops 0 goal difference. (A 3-0 victory would not be enough, as England would then win on goals scored. However, something like 6-3 would be enough for Wales I think.)

    If the US draws Iran, then any victory by Wales sends them through due to Iran's rubbish goal difference.

    F. F. S.

    Football teams are plural, not singular.

    I know you live in LA but you don’t need to adopt their grammar.

    I have said this over and again.

    Even Nick Palmer - Nick Palmer of Godalming, Surrey, England - was doing this recently.

    Somebody make it stop. 🤮
    As posted previously, you are advising in error.
    But interestingly their preferred pronouns are they/them, even in RCS1000's post above.

    Consistent singular would be:

    "If Wales then beats England 4-0, then *it* moves up to 4 points as well"

    This sounds odd to me. I would argue consistently using plurals sounds better, rather than switching from singular to plural in the same sentence, as RCS1000 does.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 4,199

    Sadiq Khan is planning to roll out a “Singapore-style” network of toll roads across London once drivers have switched to electric vehicles.

    The London mayor said that road pricing will be introduced to replace the congestion charge and levies for the Ultra-low emission zone (Ulez) that could use a network of cameras across the capital.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/11/25/whole-london-hit-ulez-expansion-ordered-sadiq-khan/

    Who'd have thought Sadiq Khan would be the one to deliver Singapore-on-Thames?
    That just goes to show you it's not really about congestion or ultra-low emissions.

    It's about charging.
    Don't electric vehicles cause congestion, or pollution (from tyres and brakes) etc?
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 5,096

    Heathener said:

    The latest opinion poll Baxtered would give Labour a majority of over 300.

    I look forward to the a thread header setting out the case for what I think is the likeliest outcome: tory annihilation.

    The re-emergence of the Faragists on the right only adds to the tory woes. There's a reason that the young guns are leaving parliament. They think it's all over.

    @MikeSmithson

    Will you write such a header?

    Don't get high on your own supply. We are still in the mid-terms.
    The writing's on the wall. The tory MPs know it. 18 months to go at the most and they're heading for a cull.

    Been here, done that. It's 1992-97 but 1000x worse for the tories. These are the facts of the polls. The dye is cast. It was back then and only the fools failed to allow the penny to drop inside their heads.

    It's over. The Truss farce was the final nail.

  • Matt Hancock is now second-favourite to win I'm A Celebrity but Jill is odds-on.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,958
    Heathener said:

    Heathener said:

    The latest opinion poll Baxtered would give Labour a majority of over 300.

    I look forward to the a thread header setting out the case for what I think is the likeliest outcome: tory annihilation.

    The re-emergence of the Faragists on the right only adds to the tory woes. There's a reason that the young guns are leaving parliament. They think it's all over.

    @MikeSmithson

    Will you write such a header?

    Don't get high on your own supply. We are still in the mid-terms.
    The writing's on the wall. The tory MPs know it. 18 months to go at the most and they're heading for a cull.

    Been here, done that. It's 1992-97 but 1000x worse for the tories. These are the facts of the polls. The dye is cast. It was back then and only the fools failed to allow the penny to drop inside their heads.

    It's over. The Truss farce was the final nail.

    Who?

    How soon we forget.

    Sunak and Hunt are in charge. The Tories' election prospects depend upon how they manage the CoL crisis - and whether the voters think Starmer would have done any better. Scant evidence of that so far.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,081
    kamski said:

    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    You know, Wales can still win the group.

    If the US draws against Iran, then the US has 3 points, and Iran 4, with the US having zero goal difference and Iran -4.

    If Wales then beats England 4-0, then they move up to 4 points as well, with +2 goal difference, while England drops 0 goal difference. (A 3-0 victory would not be enough, as England would then win on goals scored. However, something like 6-3 would be enough for Wales I think.)

    If the US draws Iran, then any victory by Wales sends them through due to Iran's rubbish goal difference.

    F. F. S.

    Football teams are plural, not singular.

    I know you live in LA but you don’t need to adopt their grammar.

    I have said this over and again.

    Even Nick Palmer - Nick Palmer of Godalming, Surrey, England - was doing this recently.

    Somebody make it stop. 🤮
    As posted previously, you are advising in error.
    But interestingly their preferred pronouns are they/them, even in RCS1000's post above.

    Consistent singular would be:

    "If Wales then beats England 4-0, then *it* moves up to 4 points as well"

    This sounds odd to me. I would argue consistently using plurals sounds better, rather than switching from singular to plural in the same sentence, as RCS1000 does.
    But in British English, correct usage does depend on context and can vary.

    "England" is being used as shorthand for "The England Team", and it is correct usage to say "The England Team is making a determined bid for the trophy". But also correct usage to say "The England Team are at each other's throats".
  • kamskikamski Posts: 4,199
    IanB2 said:

    kamski said:

    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    You know, Wales can still win the group.

    If the US draws against Iran, then the US has 3 points, and Iran 4, with the US having zero goal difference and Iran -4.

    If Wales then beats England 4-0, then they move up to 4 points as well, with +2 goal difference, while England drops 0 goal difference. (A 3-0 victory would not be enough, as England would then win on goals scored. However, something like 6-3 would be enough for Wales I think.)

    If the US draws Iran, then any victory by Wales sends them through due to Iran's rubbish goal difference.

    F. F. S.

    Football teams are plural, not singular.

    I know you live in LA but you don’t need to adopt their grammar.

    I have said this over and again.

    Even Nick Palmer - Nick Palmer of Godalming, Surrey, England - was doing this recently.

    Somebody make it stop. 🤮
    As posted previously, you are advising in error.
    But interestingly their preferred pronouns are they/them, even in RCS1000's post above.

    Consistent singular would be:

    "If Wales then beats England 4-0, then *it* moves up to 4 points as well"

    This sounds odd to me. I would argue consistently using plurals sounds better, rather than switching from singular to plural in the same sentence, as RCS1000 does.
    But in British English, correct usage does depend on context and can vary.

    "England" is being used as shorthand for "The England Team", and it is correct usage to say "The England Team is making a determined bid for the trophy". But also correct usage to say "The England Team are at each other's throats".
    Sure both are possible, I just don't like using both in the same sentence, as RCS does.

    The reluctance to use "it" to describe any team, probably shows that we generally prefer to think of the team as several people.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901

    Heathener said:

    Heathener said:

    The latest opinion poll Baxtered would give Labour a majority of over 300.

    I look forward to the a thread header setting out the case for what I think is the likeliest outcome: tory annihilation.

    The re-emergence of the Faragists on the right only adds to the tory woes. There's a reason that the young guns are leaving parliament. They think it's all over.

    @MikeSmithson

    Will you write such a header?

    Don't get high on your own supply. We are still in the mid-terms.
    The writing's on the wall. The tory MPs know it. 18 months to go at the most and they're heading for a cull.

    Been here, done that. It's 1992-97 but 1000x worse for the tories. These are the facts of the polls. The dye is cast. It was back then and only the fools failed to allow the penny to drop inside their heads.

    It's over. The Truss farce was the final nail.

    Who?

    How soon we forget.

    Sunak and Hunt are in charge. The Tories' election prospects depend upon how they manage the CoL crisis - and whether the voters think Starmer would have done any better. Scant evidence of that so far.
    The Tories would dearly like us to forget the run on the pound and mortgage interest hikes. It’s not going to happen. Once the Tories lost control, no amount of big tax rises or cuts to essential public services is going to butter up the electorate. It’s 360 degrees of failure.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 5,096

    Heathener said:

    Heathener said:

    The latest opinion poll Baxtered would give Labour a majority of over 300.

    I look forward to the a thread header setting out the case for what I think is the likeliest outcome: tory annihilation.

    The re-emergence of the Faragists on the right only adds to the tory woes. There's a reason that the young guns are leaving parliament. They think it's all over.

    @MikeSmithson

    Will you write such a header?

    Don't get high on your own supply. We are still in the mid-terms.
    The writing's on the wall. The tory MPs know it. 18 months to go at the most and they're heading for a cull.

    Been here, done that. It's 1992-97 but 1000x worse for the tories. These are the facts of the polls. The dye is cast. It was back then and only the fools failed to allow the penny to drop inside their heads.

    It's over. The Truss farce was the final nail.

    Who?

    How soon we forget.

    Sunak and Hunt are in charge. The Tories' election prospects depend upon how they manage the CoL crisis - and whether the voters think Starmer would have done any better. Scant evidence of that so far.
    Lol

    Labour 24% lead in the latest poll.

    But you keep taking those blue pills MM
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,611
    WillG said:

    rcs1000 said:

    You know, Wales can still win the group.

    If the US draws against Iran, then the US has 3 points, and Iran 4, with the US having zero goal difference and Iran -4.

    If Wales then beats England 4-0, then they move up to 4 points as well, with +2 goal difference, while England drops 0 goal difference. (A 3-0 victory would not be enough, as England would then win on goals scored. However, something like 6-3 would be enough for Wales I think.)

    If the US draws Iran, then any victory by Wales sends them through due to Iran's rubbish goal difference.

    F. F. S.

    Football teams are plural, not singular.

    I know you live in LA but you don’t need to adopt their grammar.

    I have said this over and again.

    Even Nick Palmer - Nick Palmer of Godalming, Surrey, England - was doing this recently.

    Somebody make it stop. 🤮
    Shouldn't immigrants integrate with their host society?

    Honestly, both plural and singular can be correct for this, per the official rules of the language.
    No. Although grammarians might say that, plural is the only form sanctioned by usage here. No style guides would allow singular.

  • Heh

    Or, to paraphrase those defending the government over Covid, Brexit or the economy, if England are playing badly, how come Germany lost?
    The German gesture won the woke award. And that's much more important
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,739
    ANDREW NEIL: Why can't this Government get ANYTHING done?  https://mol.im/a/11470995 via @MailOnline
  • WillG said:

    rcs1000 said:

    You know, Wales can still win the group.

    If the US draws against Iran, then the US has 3 points, and Iran 4, with the US having zero goal difference and Iran -4.

    If Wales then beats England 4-0, then they move up to 4 points as well, with +2 goal difference, while England drops 0 goal difference. (A 3-0 victory would not be enough, as England would then win on goals scored. However, something like 6-3 would be enough for Wales I think.)

    If the US draws Iran, then any victory by Wales sends them through due to Iran's rubbish goal difference.

    F. F. S.

    Football teams are plural, not singular.

    I know you live in LA but you don’t need to adopt their grammar.

    I have said this over and again.

    Even Nick Palmer - Nick Palmer of Godalming, Surrey, England - was doing this recently.

    Somebody make it stop. 🤮
    Shouldn't immigrants integrate with their host society?

    Honestly, both plural and singular can be correct for this, per the official rules of the language.
    No. Although grammarians might say that, plural is the only form sanctioned by usage here. No style guides would allow singular.

    Depends on American or British English:

    https://editorsmanual.com/articles/collective-nouns-singular-or-plural/

    Also on meaning intended. Are they acting collectively “the team are playing well” or individually “the team is not passing the ball enough”. Whichever, don’t mix collective & singular in the same sentence.
  • Heathener said:

    Heathener said:

    The latest opinion poll Baxtered would give Labour a majority of over 300.

    I look forward to the a thread header setting out the case for what I think is the likeliest outcome: tory annihilation.

    The re-emergence of the Faragists on the right only adds to the tory woes. There's a reason that the young guns are leaving parliament. They think it's all over.

    @MikeSmithson

    Will you write such a header?

    Don't get high on your own supply. We are still in the mid-terms.
    The writing's on the wall. The tory MPs know it. 18 months to go at the most and they're heading for a cull.

    Been here, done that. It's 1992-97 but 1000x worse for the tories. These are the facts of the polls. The dye is cast. It was back then and only the fools failed to allow the penny to drop inside their heads.

    It's over. The Truss farce was the final nail.

    The die is cast, if anything is.
  • kamski said:

    Sadiq Khan is planning to roll out a “Singapore-style” network of toll roads across London once drivers have switched to electric vehicles.

    The London mayor said that road pricing will be introduced to replace the congestion charge and levies for the Ultra-low emission zone (Ulez) that could use a network of cameras across the capital.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/11/25/whole-london-hit-ulez-expansion-ordered-sadiq-khan/

    Who'd have thought Sadiq Khan would be the one to deliver Singapore-on-Thames?
    That just goes to show you it's not really about congestion or ultra-low emissions.

    It's about charging.
    Don't electric vehicles cause congestion, or pollution (from tyres and brakes) etc?
    I'm sure an excuse will be fabricated, but let's not depend this is anything but a revenue raising wheeze.
  • Heathener said:

    Heathener said:

    The latest opinion poll Baxtered would give Labour a majority of over 300.

    I look forward to the a thread header setting out the case for what I think is the likeliest outcome: tory annihilation.

    The re-emergence of the Faragists on the right only adds to the tory woes. There's a reason that the young guns are leaving parliament. They think it's all over.

    @MikeSmithson

    Will you write such a header?

    Don't get high on your own supply. We are still in the mid-terms.
    The writing's on the wall. The tory MPs know it. 18 months to go at the most and they're heading for a cull.

    Been here, done that. It's 1992-97 but 1000x worse for the tories. These are the facts of the polls. The dye is cast. It was back then and only the fools failed to allow the penny to drop inside their heads.

    It's over. The Truss farce was the final nail.

    It's the hyperbole that let's you down: "1000x worse" and "annihilation".

    Those are your emotions talking.

    And there could still be over 2 years to go. January 2025 is the last possible date.

    I expect the Tories to get about 30% in a GE (maybe a couple of points less) but tactical voting against them. There will be a clear defeat but not a total and utter wipe out.
  • From John Curtice in the New Statesman. 🗳️🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿


    …

    https://twitter.com/marcuscarslaw1/status/1596187493551988736?s=46&t=aAnqBX516R2UI3JeY68l4A
  • For once, an NYT article on England that’s balanced & fair:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/25/sports/soccer/us-soccer-england-tie-draw-world-cup.html
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,611

    WillG said:

    rcs1000 said:

    You know, Wales can still win the group.

    If the US draws against Iran, then the US has 3 points, and Iran 4, with the US having zero goal difference and Iran -4.

    If Wales then beats England 4-0, then they move up to 4 points as well, with +2 goal difference, while England drops 0 goal difference. (A 3-0 victory would not be enough, as England would then win on goals scored. However, something like 6-3 would be enough for Wales I think.)

    If the US draws Iran, then any victory by Wales sends them through due to Iran's rubbish goal difference.

    F. F. S.

    Football teams are plural, not singular.

    I know you live in LA but you don’t need to adopt their grammar.

    I have said this over and again.

    Even Nick Palmer - Nick Palmer of Godalming, Surrey, England - was doing this recently.

    Somebody make it stop. 🤮
    Shouldn't immigrants integrate with their host society?

    Honestly, both plural and singular can be correct for this, per the official rules of the language.
    No. Although grammarians might say that, plural is the only form sanctioned by usage here. No style guides would allow singular.

    Depends on American or British English:

    https://editorsmanual.com/articles/collective-nouns-singular-or-plural/

    Also on meaning intended. Are they acting collectively “the team are playing well” or individually “the team is not passing the ball enough”. Whichever, don’t mix collective & singular in the same sentence.

    My point is that in British English usage, sports teams are plural. The singular that slips in - only on PB - grates.

  • WillG said:

    rcs1000 said:

    You know, Wales can still win the group.

    If the US draws against Iran, then the US has 3 points, and Iran 4, with the US having zero goal difference and Iran -4.

    If Wales then beats England 4-0, then they move up to 4 points as well, with +2 goal difference, while England drops 0 goal difference. (A 3-0 victory would not be enough, as England would then win on goals scored. However, something like 6-3 would be enough for Wales I think.)

    If the US draws Iran, then any victory by Wales sends them through due to Iran's rubbish goal difference.

    F. F. S.

    Football teams are plural, not singular.

    I know you live in LA but you don’t need to adopt their grammar.

    I have said this over and again.

    Even Nick Palmer - Nick Palmer of Godalming, Surrey, England - was doing this recently.

    Somebody make it stop. 🤮
    Shouldn't immigrants integrate with their host society?

    Honestly, both plural and singular can be correct for this, per the official rules of the language.
    No. Although grammarians might say that, plural is the only form sanctioned by usage here. No style guides would allow singular.

    https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30210

    "England expects every man to do his duty" and JOIN THE ARMY TO-DAY

    Mind you with the grocer's quote marks, England for the UK and the hyphen in today, that poster has issues.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,037
    edited November 2022
    At this stage, there is no way Tories going under 175 seats. Remember, the Tories fish from two rather large pools, the old and the thick.

    Labour will likely win with a modest majority - caveats apply of course!
  • Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    @Liz_Wheeler
    If Apple & Google boot Twitter from their app stores, @elonmusk should produce his own smartphone. Half the country would happily ditch the biased, snooping iPhone & Android. The man builds rockets to Mars, a silly little smartphone should be easy, right?

    @elonmusk
    I certainly hope it does not come to that, but, yes, if there is no other choice, I will make an alternative phone


    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596268804413476864

    ‘Cos Musk has no such plans to snoop on users’ stuff ?
    How dumb can you get ?

    Also, what rocket to Mars ?
    After some deliberation I have decided I am done with this fuckpiece and have deleted my Twitter account. 2,000+ followers, 10+ years of horrendous abuse of tories, a like from Gerry Adams and many, many suspensions... all gone. Like tears in the rain.
    This post says everything about Twitter.
  • Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    @Liz_Wheeler
    If Apple & Google boot Twitter from their app stores, @elonmusk should produce his own smartphone. Half the country would happily ditch the biased, snooping iPhone & Android. The man builds rockets to Mars, a silly little smartphone should be easy, right?

    @elonmusk
    I certainly hope it does not come to that, but, yes, if there is no other choice, I will make an alternative phone


    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596268804413476864

    ‘Cos Musk has no such plans to snoop on users’ stuff ?
    How dumb can you get ?

    Also, what rocket to Mars ?
    After some deliberation I have decided I am done with this fuckpiece and have deleted my Twitter account. 2,000+ followers, 10+ years of horrendous abuse of tories, a like from Gerry Adams and many, many suspensions... all gone. Like tears in the rain.
    Don't suppose you're on mastodon? It's pretty good and it's nice not to have the ads or the algorithm but the politics part of my feed still feels a little bit high-minded, we could do with some pb people to lower the tone.
    This post says everything about Mastodon.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Pedantry, hyperbole, confessions and denial. Just an average Saturday morning on PB.
  • kamski said:

    Sadiq Khan is planning to roll out a “Singapore-style” network of toll roads across London once drivers have switched to electric vehicles.

    The London mayor said that road pricing will be introduced to replace the congestion charge and levies for the Ultra-low emission zone (Ulez) that could use a network of cameras across the capital.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/11/25/whole-london-hit-ulez-expansion-ordered-sadiq-khan/

    Who'd have thought Sadiq Khan would be the one to deliver Singapore-on-Thames?
    That just goes to show you it's not really about congestion or ultra-low emissions.

    It's about charging.
    Don't electric vehicles cause congestion, or pollution (from tyres and brakes) etc?
    I'm sure an excuse will be fabricated, but let's not depend this is anything but a revenue raising wheeze.
    Electronic road tolls seem more of an aspiration than a plan (or wheeze) but if varied by road use would seem to tackle congestion and pollution. The devil is in the detail but there is no detail.
  • murali_s said:

    At this stage, there is no way Tories going under 175 seats. Remember, the Tories fish from two rather large pools, the old and the thick.

    You've started voting Tory?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,746
    murali_s said:

    At this stage, there is no way Tories going under 175 seats. Remember, the Tories fish from two rather large pools, the old and the thick.

    Labour will likely win with a modest majority - caveats apply of course!

    They target Jeremy Corbyn?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,746


    murali_s said:

    At this stage, there is no way Tories going under 175 seats. Remember, the Tories fish from two rather large pools, the old and the thick.

    You've started voting Tory?
    Well, BJO has and he meets one of those critieria.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    edited November 2022
    Curious thought experiment is what the Tories will run on at the next election.

    The country is an utter mess, don’t let Labour ruin it.
    Vote for five more years of Conservative stability.
    Your taxes are the highest they have ever been.

    What’s going to be the offer to secure that third/fourth term?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,540
    edited November 2022
    They don’t even care….

    Russian propaganda using same actors and actresses over and over again is by far something new. They just do this so blatantly that it is an insult of anyone’s intelligence.




    https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1596228203617681409
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,574
    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    @Liz_Wheeler
    If Apple & Google boot Twitter from their app stores, @elonmusk should produce his own smartphone. Half the country would happily ditch the biased, snooping iPhone & Android. The man builds rockets to Mars, a silly little smartphone should be easy, right?

    @elonmusk
    I certainly hope it does not come to that, but, yes, if there is no other choice, I will make an alternative phone


    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596268804413476864

    ‘Cos Musk has no such plans to snoop on users’ stuff ?
    How dumb can you get ?

    Also, what rocket to Mars ?
    After some deliberation I have decided I am done with this fuckpiece and have deleted my Twitter account. 2,000+ followers, 10+ years of horrendous abuse of tories, a like from Gerry Adams and many, many suspensions... all gone. Like tears in the rain.
    You’ve clearly intimidated the resident pedants, as none picked up on that.
    It’s ‘tears in rain’.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,574

    Sadiq Khan is planning to roll out a “Singapore-style” network of toll roads across London once drivers have switched to electric vehicles.

    The London mayor said that road pricing will be introduced to replace the congestion charge and levies for the Ultra-low emission zone (Ulez) that could use a network of cameras across the capital.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/11/25/whole-london-hit-ulez-expansion-ordered-sadiq-khan/

    Who'd have thought Sadiq Khan would be the one to deliver Singapore-on-Thames?
    That just goes to show you it's not really about congestion or ultra-low emissions.

    It's about charging.
    Pretty hard to use them without that ?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,614

    kamski said:

    Sadiq Khan is planning to roll out a “Singapore-style” network of toll roads across London once drivers have switched to electric vehicles.

    The London mayor said that road pricing will be introduced to replace the congestion charge and levies for the Ultra-low emission zone (Ulez) that could use a network of cameras across the capital.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/11/25/whole-london-hit-ulez-expansion-ordered-sadiq-khan/

    Who'd have thought Sadiq Khan would be the one to deliver Singapore-on-Thames?
    That just goes to show you it's not really about congestion or ultra-low emissions.

    It's about charging.
    Don't electric vehicles cause congestion, or pollution (from tyres and brakes) etc?
    I'm sure an excuse will be fabricated, but let's not depend this is anything but a revenue raising wheeze.
    Electronic road tolls seem more of an aspiration than a plan (or wheeze) but if varied by road use would seem to tackle congestion and pollution. The devil is in the detail but there is no detail.
    If we all drive an electric car, there will be around a £35bn hole in the central government budget, and a few billion more from local authorities, with London most affected.

    It’s about the revenue, and the control.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,746
    Nigelb said:

    Sadiq Khan is planning to roll out a “Singapore-style” network of toll roads across London once drivers have switched to electric vehicles.

    The London mayor said that road pricing will be introduced to replace the congestion charge and levies for the Ultra-low emission zone (Ulez) that could use a network of cameras across the capital.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/11/25/whole-london-hit-ulez-expansion-ordered-sadiq-khan/

    Who'd have thought Sadiq Khan would be the one to deliver Singapore-on-Thames?
    That just goes to show you it's not really about congestion or ultra-low emissions.

    It's about charging.
    Pretty hard to use them without that ?
    Are you positive?

  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Sandpit said:

    kamski said:

    Sadiq Khan is planning to roll out a “Singapore-style” network of toll roads across London once drivers have switched to electric vehicles.

    The London mayor said that road pricing will be introduced to replace the congestion charge and levies for the Ultra-low emission zone (Ulez) that could use a network of cameras across the capital.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/11/25/whole-london-hit-ulez-expansion-ordered-sadiq-khan/

    Who'd have thought Sadiq Khan would be the one to deliver Singapore-on-Thames?
    That just goes to show you it's not really about congestion or ultra-low emissions.

    It's about charging.
    Don't electric vehicles cause congestion, or pollution (from tyres and brakes) etc?
    I'm sure an excuse will be fabricated, but let's not depend this is anything but a revenue raising wheeze.
    Electronic road tolls seem more of an aspiration than a plan (or wheeze) but if varied by road use would seem to tackle congestion and pollution. The devil is in the detail but there is no detail.
    If we all drive an electric car, there will be around a £35bn hole in the central government budget, and a few billion more from local authorities, with London most affected.

    It’s about the revenue, and the control.
    Motorway tolls are coming sooner or later.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,274
    edited November 2022
    Jonathan said:

    Pedantry, hyperbole, confessions and denial. Just an average Saturday morning on PB.

    Pedantry, hyperbole, confessions, and denial, shirley?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,540
    edited November 2022
    Jonathan said:

    Curious thought experiment is what the Tories will run on at the next election.

    The country is an utter mess, don’t let Labour ruin it.
    Vote for five more years of Conservative stability.
    Your taxes are the highest they have ever been.

    What’s going to be the offer to secure that third/fourth term?

    I think Sunak & Hunt are hoping for a recovering economy “Don’t let Labour Wreck it” and a Major 92 outcome. That will be more difficult against Starmer than it was against Kinnock - and for Johnson fans, don’t forget his greatest asset - “Corbyn”.

    Though given the backbench Tory nimbyism I suspect a Major 97 outcome much more likely.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,585
    ydoethur said:

    murali_s said:

    At this stage, there is no way Tories going under 175 seats. Remember, the Tories fish from two rather large pools, the old and the thick.

    Labour will likely win with a modest majority - caveats apply of course!

    They target Jeremy Corbyn?
    He's already on board. Can you think of anyone in the country who has delivered more consistently, Conservative victories over the last decade?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,746
    Jonathan said:

    Sandpit said:

    kamski said:

    Sadiq Khan is planning to roll out a “Singapore-style” network of toll roads across London once drivers have switched to electric vehicles.

    The London mayor said that road pricing will be introduced to replace the congestion charge and levies for the Ultra-low emission zone (Ulez) that could use a network of cameras across the capital.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/11/25/whole-london-hit-ulez-expansion-ordered-sadiq-khan/

    Who'd have thought Sadiq Khan would be the one to deliver Singapore-on-Thames?
    That just goes to show you it's not really about congestion or ultra-low emissions.

    It's about charging.
    Don't electric vehicles cause congestion, or pollution (from tyres and brakes) etc?
    I'm sure an excuse will be fabricated, but let's not depend this is anything but a revenue raising wheeze.
    Electronic road tolls seem more of an aspiration than a plan (or wheeze) but if varied by road use would seem to tackle congestion and pollution. The devil is in the detail but there is no detail.
    If we all drive an electric car, there will be around a £35bn hole in the central government budget, and a few billion more from local authorities, with London most affected.

    It’s about the revenue, and the control.
    Motorway tolls are coming sooner or later.
    If they are managed by the same utter retards who manage either the M6 Toll or the Mismanaged Motorway Sections of the M5/M6, prepare for gridlock on every A-road.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    edited November 2022

    Jonathan said:

    Curious thought experiment is what the Tories will run on at the next election.

    The country is an utter mess, don’t let Labour ruin it.
    Vote for five more years of Conservative stability.
    Your taxes are the highest they have ever been.

    What’s going to be the offer to secure that third/fourth term?

    I think Sunak & Hunt are hoping for a recovering economy “Don’t let Labour Wreck it” and a Major 92 outcome. That will be more difficult against Starmer than it was against Kinnock - and for Johnson fans, don’t forget his greatest asset - “Corbyn”.

    Though given the backbench Tory nimbyism I suspect a Major 97 outcome much more likely.
    Vote Tory to avoid crazy, extremist leaders who wreck the economy?
    Vote for Sunak, not part of the global metropolitan elite.

    Hmmm, not sure that the old leader attack lines can work this time.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,081

    WillG said:

    rcs1000 said:

    You know, Wales can still win the group.

    If the US draws against Iran, then the US has 3 points, and Iran 4, with the US having zero goal difference and Iran -4.

    If Wales then beats England 4-0, then they move up to 4 points as well, with +2 goal difference, while England drops 0 goal difference. (A 3-0 victory would not be enough, as England would then win on goals scored. However, something like 6-3 would be enough for Wales I think.)

    If the US draws Iran, then any victory by Wales sends them through due to Iran's rubbish goal difference.

    F. F. S.

    Football teams are plural, not singular.

    I know you live in LA but you don’t need to adopt their grammar.

    I have said this over and again.

    Even Nick Palmer - Nick Palmer of Godalming, Surrey, England - was doing this recently.

    Somebody make it stop. 🤮
    Shouldn't immigrants integrate with their host society?

    Honestly, both plural and singular can be correct for this, per the official rules of the language.
    No. Although grammarians might say that, plural is the only form sanctioned by usage here. No style guides would allow singular.

    Depends on American or British English:

    https://editorsmanual.com/articles/collective-nouns-singular-or-plural/

    Also on meaning intended. Are they acting collectively “the team are playing well” or individually “the team is not passing the ball enough”. Whichever, don’t mix collective & singular in the same sentence.

    My point is that in British English usage, sports teams are plural. The singular that slips in - only on PB - grates.

    No, in British English the usual approach is for singular usage when the team is acting as a unit and plural usage when acting individually.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,081
    Jonathan said:

    Curious thought experiment is what the Tories will run on at the next election.

    The country is an utter mess, don’t let Labour ruin it.
    Vote for five more years of Conservative stability.
    Your taxes are the highest they have ever been.

    What’s going to be the offer to secure that third/fourth term?

    I guess it will have to be "Yes, we've f**ked everything up, but Labour will just make it all even worse" ?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,851
    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    @Liz_Wheeler
    If Apple & Google boot Twitter from their app stores, @elonmusk should produce his own smartphone. Half the country would happily ditch the biased, snooping iPhone & Android. The man builds rockets to Mars, a silly little smartphone should be easy, right?

    @elonmusk
    I certainly hope it does not come to that, but, yes, if there is no other choice, I will make an alternative phone


    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596268804413476864

    ‘Cos Musk has no such plans to snoop on users’ stuff ?
    How dumb can you get ?

    Also, what rocket to Mars ?
    After some deliberation I have decided I am done with this fuckpiece and have deleted my Twitter account. 2,000+ followers, 10+ years of horrendous abuse of tories, a like from Gerry Adams and many, many suspensions... all gone. Like tears in the rain.
    Did Gerry like one of your cake recipes?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,674
    Driver said:

    DavidL said:

    Southgate is just profoundly uninspirational.

    And yet the second most successful England manager ever.
    Still has not won an eggcup
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,746
    malcolmg said:

    Driver said:

    DavidL said:

    Southgate is just profoundly uninspirational.

    And yet the second most successful England manager ever.
    Still has not won an eggcup
    Somebody poached his best players.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    malcolmg said:

    Driver said:

    DavidL said:

    Southgate is just profoundly uninspirational.

    And yet the second most successful England manager ever.
    Still has not won an eggcup
    And yet you’d swap his record for Scotland’s in a heartbeat. When are Scotland playing this week? I’ve missed them so far.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    Driver said:

    DavidL said:

    Southgate is just profoundly uninspirational.

    And yet the second most successful England manager ever.
    Still has not won an eggcup
    Somebody poached his best players.
    They’re a complete yoke.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,746
    Jonathan said:

    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    Driver said:

    DavidL said:

    Southgate is just profoundly uninspirational.

    And yet the second most successful England manager ever.
    Still has not won an eggcup
    Somebody poached his best players.
    They’re a complete yoke.
    You might be white about that. We shell see.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,674

    From John Curtice in the New Statesman. 🗳️🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿


    …

    https://twitter.com/marcuscarslaw1/status/1596187493551988736?s=46&t=aAnqBX516R2UI3JeY68l4A

    Fact that Labour lied about it last time makes it a certainty no-one will believe the scumbags anyway.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,674
    Interesting article on the perfidy and uselessness of Sturgeon
    https://robinmcalpine.org/when-lost-stop-following-what-led-you-here/
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,880
    kinabalu said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    @Liz_Wheeler
    If Apple & Google boot Twitter from their app stores, @elonmusk should produce his own smartphone. Half the country would happily ditch the biased, snooping iPhone & Android. The man builds rockets to Mars, a silly little smartphone should be easy, right?

    @elonmusk
    I certainly hope it does not come to that, but, yes, if there is no other choice, I will make an alternative phone


    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596268804413476864

    ‘Cos Musk has no such plans to snoop on users’ stuff ?
    How dumb can you get ?

    Also, what rocket to Mars ?
    After some deliberation I have decided I am done with this fuckpiece and have deleted my Twitter account. 2,000+ followers, 10+ years of horrendous abuse of tories, a like from Gerry Adams and many, many suspensions... all gone. Like tears in the rain.
    Did Gerry like one of your cake recipes?
    Can't recall. I was possibly putting the hoof into some blueshirt prick in manner that caused that famous beard to be illuminated with a smile.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    Driver said:

    DavidL said:

    Southgate is just profoundly uninspirational.

    And yet the second most successful England manager ever.
    Still has not won an eggcup
    Somebody poached his best players.
    They’re a complete yoke.
    You might be white about that. We shell see.
    Omletting you off that dreadful pun. Scotland are over, easy.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    edited November 2022
    malcolmg said:

    Interesting article on the perfidy and uselessness of Sturgeon
    https://robinmcalpine.org/when-lost-stop-following-what-led-you-here/

    Sturgeon and the independence campaign just need to accept that no means no.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,009

    They don’t even care….

    Russian propaganda using same actors and actresses over and over again is by far something new. They just do this so blatantly that it is an insult of anyone’s intelligence.




    https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1596228203617681409

    It saves money on COVID-19 testing for people who are going to be within 10 metres of the dear leader.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,973
    IanB2 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Curious thought experiment is what the Tories will run on at the next election.

    The country is an utter mess, don’t let Labour ruin it.
    Vote for five more years of Conservative stability.
    Your taxes are the highest they have ever been.

    What’s going to be the offer to secure that third/fourth term?

    I guess it will have to be "Yes, we've f**ked everything up, but Labour will just make it all even worse" ?
    Which is why I think Labour will win a comfortable Majority
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