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UKIP's new donor's now giving £1m, not the £100k he originally planned. "Thank you very much," says Nigel Farage. https://t.co/PBw0hMRjZ3

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  • Anorak
    Anorak Posts: 6,621
    edited October 2014
    The dampest of damp squibs.
    And first!
  • JBriskin
    JBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Conor Pope ‏@Conorpope · 6m6 minutes ago
    UKIP literally just had a press conference because some guy was sad William Hague didn't know who he was.
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    Let Down. Let Down. Let Down.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,074
    Stand by your Eds!
  • dr_spyn
    dr_spyn Posts: 11,312
    Daniel Bond ‏@DanBond1 4m4 minutes ago
    @paulwaugh Farage said the money would help with 'four' upcoming by-elections. There are only 3 so far. Must know something we don't
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    I hope Nige has got the cheque:

    Tories deny latest Ukip defector Arron Banks once donated £250,000
    Conservatives say true figure given by businessman who has now joined Ukip is closer to £25,000

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/01/tories-ukip-defector-arron-banks-donation
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    edited October 2014
    Oh and to "Aaron Banks" I still say:

    Who are ? I've never heard of you? Nobody in the Presser has ever heard of you?
  • Neil
    Neil Posts: 7,983
    Now would be the right time for UKIP to unleash their next MP defection after cunningly lulling everyone into a false sense of security.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @holysmoke: Hearing rumours that a major political figure is about to give UKIP the points from his Tesco Clubcard...
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    Hahahaha

    It's all over for UKIP

    AGAIN!!!

  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Not the brightest move from UKIP, down to the fact that it will get zero coverage, whereas if they had waited a couple of days it might have got at least a bit.

    Maybe this takes us back to that thread a couple of days ago about being wise not to hate your enemy. Over the last few days the UKIP leadership has made clear who it sees as its real enemy and that there is hatred there too.
  • SimonStClare
    SimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    A let down, over hyped and over played – don’t suppose the press will be impressed either.
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    Conservatives gone in to 10/1 on Betfair Clacton, big UKIP drift
  • Plato
    Plato Posts: 15,724
    Do you think someone got cold feet?

    This seems like a very odd thing to announce at 5pm after the PM's speech.

    It's not even a spoiler. It's a massive So What.
    GIN1138 said:

    Oh and to "Aaron Banks" I still say:

    Who are ? I've never heard of you? Nobody in the Presser has ever heard of you?

  • MarkHopkins
    MarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    UKIP showing how desperate they are to derail Cameron's speech.

    Cannot see it working really.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Wouldn't UKIP have done better to get Reckless to defect today?

    Does this suggest someone else has pulled out?

  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited October 2014
    Richard_Nabavi said:
    I don't want to poop the party even more than they've pooped it themselves, but surely holding a big press conference about a large donation, from a chap like this, is a bit counter-productive, isn't it? Especially if you're trying to present yourselves as the anti-establishment, WWC-friendly, party-of-the-little-guy.

    Wouldn't it have made more sense to bank the cheque quietly?




    The people's party does appear to be largely bankrolled by a small coterie of filthy rich City and establishment figures with flash houses.

    Shades of Jimmy Goldsmith and the Referendum Party.
  • saddened
    saddened Posts: 2,245
    After this, suspect, Mr Banks is about to see more about himself in the press than he will be comfortable with.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,805
    You may guessed by this thread, that I'm not impressed by UKIP's antics today.
  • Plato
    Plato Posts: 15,724
    Well said. I'm truly perplexed here.
    SouthamObserver said:

    Not the brightest move from UKIP, down to the fact that it will get zero coverage, whereas if they had waited a couple of days it might have got at least a bit.

    Maybe this takes us back to that thread a couple of days ago about being wise not to hate your enemy. Over the last few days the UKIP leadership has made clear who it sees as its real enemy and that there is hatred there too.

  • Peter_the_Punter
    Peter_the_Punter Posts: 14,779
    edited October 2014
    "I am afraid UKIP have just made complete arses of themselves. Idiots to raise expectations in media of a big defection. Utter idiocy," Iain Dale

    Hang on a minute....wasn't it Iain Dale who told us all a couple of days ago that another UKIP defector was 'imminent'?

    Check your sources, Iain. Never mind UKIP, it's your cred that just took a knock.
  • OldKingCole
    OldKingCole Posts: 35,269
    Not sure about the pints. Not keen on Kentish beer. It'll buy quite a lot of chicken dinners though!
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,805
    edited October 2014
    Uh oh, that donation's gonna go up to 5million


    Sajid Javid MP ‏@sajidjavid

    .@tnewtondunn I didn't come across a single person today that had ever heard of an Arron Banks
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @charlotteahenry: A week that started very badly for Cameron just ended pretty much as well as he could have hoped.
  • Plato
    Plato Posts: 15,724
    In all manner of ways, I suspect. Unless he's a very dull chap - some will be digging just to embarrass UKIP back.
    saddened said:

    After this, suspect, Mr Banks is about to see more about himself in the press than he will be comfortable with.

  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,074
    GIN1138 said:

    Oh and to "Aaron Banks" I still say:

    Who are ? I've never heard of you? Nobody in the Presser has ever heard of you?

    Did anyone hear of Mark Reckless prior to last Friday?
  • Bond_James_Bond
    Bond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    Like the Labour Party whose goal of referendum prevention they share, UKIP are a bought and paid for rich man's party. How very Establishment!
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,074
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    You may guessed by this thread, that I'm not impressed by UKIP's antics today.

    But you're Tory, so hardly neutral on the matter :)
  • OblitusSumMe
    OblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    "In political comms you work hard to be helpful and interesting - dragging tired journos hundreds of miles only to under-deliver not good"

    Much as they would hate to admit it, but I think personal relations matter to journalists and many of them are now going to bear a grudge against UKIP for making them travel pointlessly for a small beer story.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,805
    Nigel Farage is the complete mammary gland who spent election day in an aeroplane rather be on the ground, and thus managed to finish third in a two horse race.
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited October 2014
    So, to be clear, if William Hague had said 'Arron Banks is a splended fellow, he was perhaps the most distinguished Vice Chairman the Basingstoke Tories have ever had", would Mr Banks have given a million quid to the Tories instead?
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @nicholaswatt: At least @UKIP optics well thought out. Standing outside millionaire's West Country pile will really appeal to all those @UKLabour voters

    This post sponsored by Newssense™
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,074
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    So, to be clear, if William Hague had said 'Arron Banks is a splended fellow, he was perhaps the most distinguished Vice Chairman the Basingstoke Tories have ever had", would Mr Banks have given a million quid to the Tories intead?

    Interesting counterfactual!
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,805
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    You may guessed by this thread, that I'm not impressed by UKIP's antics today.

    But you're Tory, so hardly neutral on the matter :)
    I've been told by Kippers* that my piece on UKIP last week was one the best they've ever read

    *Ok one Kipper.
  • Roger
    Roger Posts: 20,744
    Soup kitchens have never been so active so our PM offers tax cuts for those earning over £41,750 a year. If I hadn't just finished lunch in a restaurant in Cap Ferrat sitting next to a poodle I'd think Tory England was just a bad dream.
  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Bond_James_Bond said:

    Like the Labour Party whose goal of referendum prevention they share, UKIP are a bought and paid for rich man's party. How very Establishment!

    Talking of which, Stuart Wheeler expects UKIP to win 4 seats at the GE2015. Will the Farage Party hold the balance of power with that many?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11131879/Ukip-to-win-four-seats-at-2015-general-election-says-Cameron-pollster.html
  • dr_spyn
    dr_spyn Posts: 11,312
    edited October 2014
    Coming here eating our worms.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-29446232

    Banksy piece painted over in Clacton. Cutting it off the wall might have been more profitable.

  • antifrank1
    antifrank1 Posts: 81
    I rather wonder whether UKIP indeed had a further defecting MP lined up who bottled it today. I can't think of any other reason for this kind of balls-up. And it would explain Nigel Farage's odd slip of "four by-elections".
  • Neil
    Neil Posts: 7,983
    Roger said:

    If I hadn't just finished lunch in a restaurant in Cap Ferrat sitting next to a poodle I'd think Tory England was just a bad dream.

    Love your work, Roger!
  • Plato
    Plato Posts: 15,724
    Just been re-reading the PM's speech and if those things are all in the manifesto, I'll be pleased as punch.

    Bill of Rights, tax thresholds... and a mention of Hague's work on EV4EL.

    Plus taking the war to Labour on the NHS. I have many complaints about the structure of the NHS, but as fetish - it's been used by Labour for far too long.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @paulwaugh: Something tells me Arron Banks is gonna face a bit of scrutiny now..interesting photos of him already circulating
  • stodge
    stodge Posts: 14,906
    Afternoon again all :)

    Does seem a little low-key but it remains to be seen if Clacton or a UKIP win at Rochester will tempt others to cross the line.

    They will be faced with a withering verbal assault by TSE and Boris Johnson.

    That wouldn't worry them - it wouldn't worry me.
  • saddened
    saddened Posts: 2,245
    isam said:

    Hahahaha

    It's all over for UKIP

    AGAIN!!!

    Who has said that?
  • antifrank1
    antifrank1 Posts: 81
    I see off twitter that OGH independently had exactly the same thought as me at the same time.
  • ___Bobajob___
    ___Bobajob___ Posts: 872
    What an amazing day on PB. Cam is a triumph. Labour are toast. Ukip are screwed.

    So just like any other day on PB.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,805
    antifrank1 said:

    I rather wonder whether UKIP indeed had a further defecting MP lined up who bottled it today. I can't think of any other reason for this kind of balls-up. And it would explain Nigel Farage's odd slip of "four by-elections".

    Plausible but the fourth by election could be a reference to the South Yorkshire Police Commisioner election at the end of this month.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,074
    Roger said:

    If I hadn't just finished lunch in a restaurant in Cap Ferrat sitting next to a poodle I'd think Tory England was just a bad dream.

    This time last week I was walking along Lake Geneva in Montreux :)
  • Plato
    Plato Posts: 15,724
    That didn't take long. I feel quite sorry for him.
    Scott_P said:

    @paulwaugh: Something tells me Arron Banks is gonna face a bit of scrutiny now..interesting photos of him already circulating

  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,457
    dr_spyn said:

    Coming here eating our worms.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-29446232

    Banksy piece painted over in Clacton. Cutting it off the wall might have been more profitable.

    I'm not sure if it is the xenophobic pigeons or Banksy that shows an alarming lack of knowledge about the dietary requirements of swallows.....

  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    antifrank1 said:

    I rather wonder whether UKIP indeed had a further defecting MP lined up who bottled it today. I can't think of any other reason for this kind of balls-up. And it would explain Nigel Farage's odd slip of "four by-elections".

    Except that, if that were the case, it would have been an even odder location to hold the press conference.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,074
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    You may guessed by this thread, that I'm not impressed by UKIP's antics today.

    But you're Tory, so hardly neutral on the matter :)
    I've been told by Kippers* that my piece on UKIP last week was one the best they've ever read

    *Ok one Kipper.
    Wise not to hate your enemy :)
  • SimonStClare
    SimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    dr_spyn said:

    Coming here eating our worms.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-29446232

    Banksy piece painted over in Clacton. Cutting it off the wall might have been more profitable.

    I really admire Banksy's work - no doubt it's been recorded for prosperity with a photo, but seems criminal to destroy it.
  • dr_spyn
    dr_spyn Posts: 11,312
    Plato said:

    That didn't take long. I feel quite sorry for him.

    Scott_P said:

    @paulwaugh: Something tells me Arron Banks is gonna face a bit of scrutiny now..interesting photos of him already circulating

    Was he stung by a fake woman like Newmark?
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    PM: Vote UKIP, get Labour

    Response?

    @ChrisBryantMP: Basically UKIP have Tory donors, Tory money, Tory MPs,Tory policies and Tory capacity for exaggeration
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Scott_P said:

    @paulwaugh: Something tells me Arron Banks is gonna face a bit of scrutiny now..interesting photos of him already circulating

    From the Guardian (link down thread):

    Rock Services Ltd, of which Banks is a director, made a gross profit of £19.7m last year while paying corporation tax of only £12,000. The company deducted £19.6m in “administrative expenses”.

    The main activity appears to be “recharge of goods and services” with Southern Rock Insurance Company – a part of the group of companies that is based in Gibraltar. Southern Rock Insurance states on its website that it underwrite policies for the customers of GoSkippy.com, which is run by Banks.

    Because it is based in Gibraltar, there is little information available on it.
  • saddened
    saddened Posts: 2,245
    ___Bobajob___ said:

    What an amazing day on PB. Cam is a triumph. Labour are toast. Ukip are screwed.

    So just like any other day on PB.

    Who on here has said Labour are toast or UKIP are screwed, making stuff up to shoot it down is just silly.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,457
    I wonder if any other large UKIP donors might just be feeling their nose is ever so slightly out of joint this evening?
  • Plato
    Plato Posts: 15,724
    edited October 2014
    I rather like Janet Daley - and golly, even she's impressed for once.
    Uncharacteristically, I'm almost lost for words – or at least for critical words. David Cameron said pretty much everything I wanted him to say in his belter of a conference speech. He chose to identify his overall theme as a "Britain people can be proud to call home". What this amounted to in effect was a picture of a social morality based on rewards for hard work, personal responsibility, pride in your achievements, and true fairness (which is to say, getting "something for something" rather than something for nothing). And, most important, the idea that permitting people to live in permanent dependency was not just a waste of money, but a waste of life.
    blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/janetdaley/100288384/david-cameron-he-said-everything-we-might-have-hoped-for/

    I liked this a lot.
    This was – above all – a vision speech. It was about what kind of people we want to be: a return to the idea that "doing the right thing" should never be penalised. The riff in his peroration about the Conservatives being the trade union for hard-working parents, people who want to provide for their families, who want to get on in life – was both clever and true. The speech might have been called "Patriotism rather than paternalism": the idea that national pride and personal pride were part of the same package.
  • OblitusSumMe
    OblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    antifrank1 said:

    I see off twitter that OGH independently had exactly the same thought as me at the same time.

    It's possible but unlikely that we'd ever have it confirmed one way or another.
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    So, to be clear, if William Hague had said 'Arron Banks is a splended fellow, he was perhaps the most distinguished Vice Chairman the Basingstoke Tories have ever had", would Mr Banks have given a million quid to the Tories instead?

    Well what Hague said was particularly vicious:

    “The conference has fully moved on from the defection of one MP on Saturday and the gentleman you’re talking about is not a senior figure in this party, not someone I know at all,”
  • Socrates
    Socrates Posts: 10,322
    I can't believe UKIP would do this as a planned strategy. It seems more likely there was another defector who got cold feet, so they get their new donor to pay his planned donations early to save embarrassment.
  • Richard_Tyndall
    Richard_Tyndall Posts: 33,463
    I am really sorry to have been proved right both about this evening's UKIP non event and in the longer term about the unsuitability of Farage as a party leader. Bloody stupid.

    My perfect result in 2015 is for UKIP to get at least 5 or 6 seats but Farage not to be one of them. Long term that would be better both for the party and for BOO.
  • dr_spyn
    dr_spyn Posts: 11,312
    MarqueeMark said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Coming here eating our worms.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-29446232

    Banksy piece painted over in Clacton. Cutting it off the wall might have been more profitable.

    I'm not sure if it is the xenophobic pigeons or Banksy that shows an alarming lack of knowledge about the dietary requirements of swallows.....

    Twitchers head off to Cornwall to photograph swallows on the ground eating worms...
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Good evening, everyone.

    Mr. StClare, well quite.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    I can believe UKIP would do this as a planned strategy, given how perfectly they had played things for the last month, but maybe they just got lucky with all the other timing.
  • saddened
    saddened Posts: 2,245
    SimonStClare said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Coming here eating our worms.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-29446232

    Banksy piece painted over in Clacton. Cutting it off the wall might have been more profitable.

    I really admire Banksy's work - no doubt it's been recorded for prosperity with a photo, but seems criminal to destroy it.
    Accurate typo :-)
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MSmithsonPB: Today's non-defection to UKIP has a touch of Brown's non-election in October 2007 about it. After that the media turned on Gordon.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,457
    UKIP might have got away lightly. Can you imagine the PR horror if they had wheeled out say Normo Tebbs, who smiled, looked at the massed cameras, and said:

    "You know, until David Cameron's speech today, I was inclined to join UKIP. But he seems to have met many of my concerns and I shall continue to stick with the Conservative Party. As should you all, out there...."
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,805
    @MSmithsonPB: Today's non-defection to UKIP has a touch of Brown's non-election in October 2007 about it. After that the media turned on Gordon.
  • antifrank1
    antifrank1 Posts: 81
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    antifrank1 said:

    I rather wonder whether UKIP indeed had a further defecting MP lined up who bottled it today. I can't think of any other reason for this kind of balls-up. And it would explain Nigel Farage's odd slip of "four by-elections".

    Except that, if that were the case, it would have been an even odder location to hold the press conference.
    It looks like the perfect setting for the Munsters.
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    saddened said:

    ___Bobajob___ said:

    What an amazing day on PB. Cam is a triumph. Labour are toast. Ukip are screwed.

    So just like any other day on PB.

    Who on here has said Labour are toast or UKIP are screwed, making stuff up to shoot it down is just silly.
    UKIP just almost doubled last years donations in one day and rather than think "hang on that could pay them to go all out in the seats they have a chance in, we should be worried" it is painted as bad news on here because it wasn't a defecting MP, and the press will now hate them.. the press hardly love them anyway

  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,457
    Scott_P said:

    @MSmithsonPB: Today's non-defection to UKIP has a touch of Brown's non-election in October 2007 about it. After that the media turned on Gordon.

    The Defection That Never Was.....

  • manofkent2014
    manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    So the the critical tweets are from:

    Tim Montgomerie former Tory Leader's aide and creator of Conservative Home
    Tory luvvie and former candidate Iain Dale
    Mark Ferguson The Editor of Labourlist
    Mark Wallace Reporter & Commentator for Tory propaganda site Lord Ashcroft's Conservative Home

    Hardly an an objective unbiased group one might say
  • OldKingCole
    OldKingCole Posts: 35,269
    OblitusSumMe said:

    "In political comms you work hard to be helpful and interesting - dragging tired journos hundreds of miles only to under-deliver not good"

    Much as they would hate to admit it, but I think personal relations matter to journalists and many of them are now going to bear a grudge against UKIP for making them travel pointlessly for a small beer story.

    For anyone who who remembers Millennium Night, I'm sure that the f**k up at Stratford Station, which left hundreds of journalists hanging about without a drink was why the Dome crashed as an attraction.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    So they dragged journalists away from Birmingham and away from Tory parties with a lot of top posh totty to reannounce a donor defection and that he is now a bit upset about William Hague. Doesn't seem sensible.
  • Neil
    Neil Posts: 7,983
    MaxPB said:

    away from Birmingham and away from Tory parties with a lot of top posh totty

    Does Anne Widdecombe still go to conference?
  • manofkent2014
    manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    Of course the UKIP donation is not news is it:

    Harry Potter author JK Rowling gives £1 million to Labour

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/3021309/Harry-Potter-author-JK-Rowling-gives-1-million-to-Labour.html
  • saddened
    saddened Posts: 2,245
    manofkent2014 said:

    So the the critical tweets are from:

    Tim Montgomerie former Tory Leader's aide and creator of Conservative Home
    Tory luvvie and former candidate Iain Dale
    Mark Ferguson The Editor of Labourlist
    Mark Wallace Reporter & Commentator for Tory propaganda site Lord Ashcroft's Conservative Home

    Hardly an an objective unbiased group one might say

    Who are the supportive tweets from, I'm sure one must have flooded in.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    edited October 2014
    FPT
    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 1,982
    5:03PM

    kle4 said:

    In May you could go to bed with Nigel Farage and end up with Ed Miliband

    So lazy. And unoriginal.

    I thought it was very good actually.

    It's not bad exactly, but it just makes me think of 2010 and of Labour and the Tories both claiming a vote for the LDs was a vote for Lab/Tory delete as appropriate, and I'm sure I recall lines about sleeping with Clegg and winding up with Brown.

    It's also not worth much given UKIP's leadership has made clear they no longer care about whether Cameron is better than Ed M, and much of their support seems to agree. I guess it might be worth a few votes.

    Also, didn't the Tories try for serious, 'we'll be honest with you about tough choices' approach in 2009 and their polling suffered as a result, or am I misremembering.
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    @MSmithsonPB: Today's non-defection to UKIP has a touch of Brown's non-election in October 2007 about it. After that the media turned on Gordon.

    Tm Montgomerie, Mark Ferguson and Mike Smithson


    hahahaha
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    isam said:

    saddened said:

    ___Bobajob___ said:

    What an amazing day on PB. Cam is a triumph. Labour are toast. Ukip are screwed.

    So just like any other day on PB.

    Who on here has said Labour are toast or UKIP are screwed, making stuff up to shoot it down is just silly.
    UKIP just almost doubled last years donations in one day

    Assuming you get the money......there does appear to be a gap between what UKIP have claimed Mr Banks donated to the Tories......and what the Tories said they received.....(when I say 'gap' I mean 'order of magnitude times ten')

  • manofkent2014
    manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    Yeah £1 Million donations are never news:

    JK Rowling donates £1m to Scotland's anti-independence campaign
    Harry Potter author backs Better Together campaign saying it would be a 'historically bad mistake' to leave the UK

    http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/jun/11/jk-rowling-donates-scotland-anti-independence-campaign
  • volcanopete
    volcanopete Posts: 2,078
    Ukip just keeps getting more and more Tory,Tory donors,Tory cash,Tory MPs,Tory flashers.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    MarqueeMark said:

    UKIP might have got away lightly. Can you imagine the PR horror if they had wheeled out say Normo Tebbs, who smiled, looked at the massed cameras, and said:

    "You know, until David Cameron's speech today, I was inclined to join UKIP. But he seems to have met many of my concerns and I shall continue to stick with the Conservative Party. As should you all, out there...."

    That would have been positively delicious!
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    MarqueeMark said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MSmithsonPB: Today's non-defection to UKIP has a touch of Brown's non-election in October 2007 about it. After that the media turned on Gordon.

    The Defection That Never Was.....

    Gordons election that never was was preceeded by a childish and petty and deliberate attempt to upstage the Tory conference by a surprise visjt to Iraq.

    The pettiness of the kippers being motivated by trying to upstage the Conservative party conference (and it is notable that they did not do the same to Labour) confirms the unsuitability of Farage for high office. I hope he is replaced soon by someone of integrity like Carswell.
  • saddened
    saddened Posts: 2,245
    isam said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    @MSmithsonPB: Today's non-defection to UKIP has a touch of Brown's non-election in October 2007 about it. After that the media turned on Gordon.

    Tm Montgomerie, Mark Ferguson and Mike Smithson


    hahahaha
    I'll ask you as well, where are the people who are lauding this master stroke?
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    CarlottaVance said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    ___Bobajob___ said:

    What an amazing day on PB. Cam is a triumph. Labour are toast. Ukip are screwed.

    So just like any other day on PB.

    Who on here has said Labour are toast or UKIP are screwed, making stuff up to shoot it down is just silly.
    UKIP just almost doubled last years donations in one day

    Assuming you get the money......there does appear to be a gap between what UKIP have claimed Mr Banks donated to the Tories......and what the Tories said they received.....(when I say 'gap' I mean 'order of magnitude times ten')

    I'm reading that as "please don't let it be true"
  • antifrank1
    antifrank1 Posts: 81
    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh ·32 mins32 minutes ago
    UKip need to go back and study expectations management 101. Lotta pissed off hacks oft this is it.
  • taffys
    taffys Posts: 9,753
    Ukip just keeps getting more and more Tory,Tory donors,Tory cash,Tory MPs,Tory flashers.

    If that's labour's message in Clacton, I would suggest its somewhat counterproductive.
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,859
    Socrates said:

    I can't believe UKIP would do this as a planned strategy. It seems more likely there was another defector who got cold feet, so they get their new donor to pay his planned donations early to save embarrassment.

    Have to agree this seems more plausible.
  • MarkHopkins
    MarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    manofkent2014 said:

    Yeah £1 Million donations are never news:

    JK Rowling donates £1m to Scotland's anti-independence campaign
    Harry Potter author backs Better Together campaign saying it would be a 'historically bad mistake' to leave the UK

    http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/jun/11/jk-rowling-donates-scotland-anti-independence-campaign


    And did she pull a bunch of journalists away from an important event to make that announcement?


  • SimonStClare
    SimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    MarqueeMark said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MSmithsonPB: Today's non-defection to UKIP has a touch of Brown's non-election in October 2007 about it. After that the media turned on Gordon.

    The Defection That Never Was....
    @Richard_Tyndall - was right, in his prediction - but I'm sure to modest to say so:

    "I know nothing of course but I still believe this 5 pm stuff is just a wind up. - I also believe they have probably overplayed it if that is the case."

    says it all really.

  • Stereotomy
    Stereotomy Posts: 4,092
    kle4 said:

    FPT
    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 1,982
    5:03PM

    kle4 said:

    In May you could go to bed with Nigel Farage and end up with Ed Miliband

    So lazy. And unoriginal.

    I thought it was very good actually.

    It's not bad exactly, but it just makes me think of 2010 and of Labour and the Tories both claiming a vote for the LDs was a vote for Lab/Tory delete as appropriate, and I'm sure I recall lines about sleeping with Clegg and winding up with Brown.

    It's also not worth much given UKIP's leadership has made clear they no longer care about whether Cameron is better than Ed M, and much of their support seems to agree. I guess it might be worth a few votes.

    Also, didn't the Tories try for serious, 'we'll be honest with you about tough choices' approach in 2009 and their polling suffered as a result, or am I misremembering.

    Tory tough choices somehow always seem to be a lot tougher for some sections of society than others.

    Oh well, at least we can be sure that those tax giveaways that Cameron promised must have been really tough for him
  • Plato
    Plato Posts: 15,724
    Spot on. It killed the Dome stone dead. PR is about value, and you can't get expectations wrong like that - especially when it comes to trailing about to a venue.
    OldKingCole said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    "In political comms you work hard to be helpful and interesting - dragging tired journos hundreds of miles only to under-deliver not good"

    Much as they would hate to admit it, but I think personal relations matter to journalists and many of them are now going to bear a grudge against UKIP for making them travel pointlessly for a small beer story.

    For anyone who who remembers Millennium Night, I'm sure that the f**k up at Stratford Station, which left hundreds of journalists hanging about without a drink was why the Dome crashed as an attraction.
  • taffys
    taffys Posts: 9,753
    Lotta pissed off hacks oft this is it.

    They'll get over it. Farage is a godsend to the media. And will continue to be.
  • saddened
    saddened Posts: 2,245
    manofkent2014 said:

    Yeah £1 Million donations are never news:

    JK Rowling donates £1m to Scotland's anti-independence campaign
    Harry Potter author backs Better Together campaign saying it would be a 'historically bad mistake' to leave the UK

    http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/jun/11/jk-rowling-donates-scotland-anti-independence-campaign

    What was the hype about prior to that donation that made it seem like a flop? Ah now I remember nothing, it wasn't a PR cockup like this. All they had to do was wait 48 hours.
  • TheWatcher
    TheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    SimonStClare said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MSmithsonPB: Today's non-defection to UKIP has a touch of Brown's non-election in October 2007 about it. After that the media turned on Gordon.

    The Defection That Never Was....
    @Richard_Tyndall - was right, in his prediction - but I'm sure to modest to say so:

    "I know nothing of course but I still believe this 5 pm stuff is just a wind up. - I also believe they have probably overplayed it if that is the case."

    says it all really.

    The Press will be falling over themselves to get to the Farage Party's next non-event.
  • ___Bobajob___
    ___Bobajob___ Posts: 872
    The media already hated Ukip so I doubt Nige will worry too much to be honest
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    isam said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    isam said:

    saddened said:

    ___Bobajob___ said:

    What an amazing day on PB. Cam is a triumph. Labour are toast. Ukip are screwed.

    So just like any other day on PB.

    Who on here has said Labour are toast or UKIP are screwed, making stuff up to shoot it down is just silly.
    UKIP just almost doubled last years donations in one day

    Assuming you get the money......there does appear to be a gap between what UKIP have claimed Mr Banks donated to the Tories......and what the Tories said they received.....(when I say 'gap' I mean 'order of magnitude times ten')

    I'm reading that as "please don't let it be true"
    No, its 'make sure you get the cheque'......

    ......BTW, was it really smart to make the Lobby pay for their own drinks in Doncaster?

  • manofkent2014
    manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    saddened said:

    manofkent2014 said:

    So the the critical tweets are from:

    Tim Montgomerie former Tory Leader's aide and creator of Conservative Home
    Tory luvvie and former candidate Iain Dale
    Mark Ferguson The Editor of Labourlist
    Mark Wallace Reporter & Commentator for Tory propaganda site Lord Ashcroft's Conservative Home

    Hardly an an objective unbiased group one might say

    Who are the supportive tweets from, I'm sure one must have flooded in.
    I wouldn't know. I do not waste my time with Twitter. Support for the announcement could be trending and it would mean sweet FA to me!
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