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  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,754
    Applicant said:

    Sentence one: The Liberal Democrats plan to flood Tiverton and Honiton with activists after internal polling suggested the party was only marginally trailing the Conservatives before next week’s byelection in the Devon constituency.

    Yeah. Like they weren't planning to flood it with activists anyway.
    I’m wondering if there’s any way they could visually demonstrate how close it was to the residents? Some form of graph or chart.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    biggles said:

    I’m wondering if there’s any way they could visually demonstrate how close it was to the residents? Some form of graph or chart.
    At least the Tories will have no difficulty in deciding on the coordinate axes for their graph of deportees to Rwanda over the last 3 months.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    What a dumb tweet. Must be all the concussions he suffered as a rugby player.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    biggles said:

    As a rule, I think Governments go mad after two terms. This one especially so. Alternating two terms of each side, that’s the sweet spot.
    That does rely on the Opposition not going bonkers...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    THis thread has been deported on an atmosphere craft to Rwanda.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482
    I don't like any concept of 'rights'.
  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfmAY6M6aA

    Depressingly this predicted the current atmosphere
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,841

    'LaMDA, which group of people are most uncaring about the fate of brown refugees?'

    'Well Divvie, using my newly acquired sentience, in my judgment folk who bleat on about refugees drowning in the Channel to justify sending them to Rwanda don't give the teeniest flying fuck about refugees, drownded or not.'

    These people are not refugees.
  • I think the Tories may come to rue 'wanda
  • Applicant said:

    What a dumb tweet. Must be all the concussions he suffered as a rugby player.
    So which ones do you want to take away?
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,240

    Completely disagreed. The USA ought to have shown in recent years just how useless a written constitution is in protecting civil liberties, if the government wants to water down or reverse those liberties then whoever controls the courts controls how the constitution is interpreted. See the USA or the ECHR Victor Orban's Hungary.

    The advantage of constitutional checks and balances is not that they are a magic barrier that can eternally protect us from tyranny. It is firstly, that they function as an alarm system -- if a government is frequently rebuffed by courts for its unconstitutional behaviour this should be an alarm bell to voters -- and secondly, that they help to delay -- it takes time and effort to dismantle machinery, stack courts and overrule second chambers -- and that delay means damage is reduced and there is time for the next election to be held in which voters can change the government. Whether the electorate chooses to heed the warnings and make good use of the time thus bought is of course up to them...

  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    So which ones do you want to take away?
    What a dumb comment. Been hit by many bouncers?
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,754
    Carnyx said:

    At least the Tories will have no difficulty in deciding on the coordinate axes for their graph of deportees to Rwanda over the last 3 months.
    Maybe you’re on to something. Maybe the Tories want to save cash be reusing all the 60s Powellite placards?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited June 2022
    Applicant said:

    Sentence one: The Liberal Democrats plan to flood Tiverton and Honiton with activists after internal polling suggested the party was only marginally trailing the Conservatives before next week’s byelection in the Devon constituency.

    Yeah. Like they weren't planning to flood it with activists anyway.
    They weren't going to but then they suddenly realised it was mega hyper super close.
    Giant orange hammers and blue cardboard box walls selling out fast. And i mean fast.
    One vote could decide it!
    If anything its closer than even stevens. Nearer than next door. Tighter than a gnats chuff.
    Amazeballs.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,509

    Churchill didn't set up the Court.

    Churchill was involved in setting up the Convention, which was to be binding upon domestic courts at the time, not overseas courts, they came later.
    Churchill, of course, wanted to run in 1955 on the slogan Keep England White, as he had become alarmed at the number of Commonwealth immigrants over the preceding decade. So I'm not sure he'd have supported the convention if he'd have known that it would preventing the government from removing the mostly non-white asylum seekers for processing elsewhere - he was an Anglo-Saxon supremacist for longer than almost all his contemporaries in front line politics, Enoch Powell excepted. So he might have turned against it, just as Mrs Thatcher turned against the Common Market when she realised it was being used to introduce a federal Europe and quasi-socailist regulation by the back door, and the Labour Party made the leap in the opposite direciton.

    But of course we'll never know.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    Just as an aside, Douglas Murray has written two outstanding books (the strange death of Europe and the madness of crowds). I don't agree completely with what he says in them, but the former in particular completely changed my thinking on immigration and multiculturalism.
  • KeystoneKeystone Posts: 127

    Transponders wouldn’t work - if the boat is intercepted by Border Force/Navy/RNLI, they are going to take the people off and confiscate the boat anyway.

    The boats are being piloted by the refugee/immigrants themselves.

    The ones that aren’t intercepted - do they even try to bring them back or are they just abandoned?

    The boats are bought for cash on the Continent - who are you going to go after?

    Contributory benefits would be resisted by the progressive side of the debate until the death. I’ve been told, on occasion, that a UBI would be immoral because it would be a move to a “Xenophobic Benefit System”….

    My favourite is -

    - increase the fine for employing an undocumented workers to £100k. Per offence.
    - Half goes to the witness who gives evidence
    - If the witness is undocumented, they get indefinite leave to remain as well.

    15 minutes after that law passes, no undocumented employment in the country.
    The transponders are cross referenced against granular radar.

    They turn off the transponder - you intercept.

    A vessel leaves without a transponder - you intercept.

    Vessels are a couple of hundred grand and up. They're not single use.

    Or digitally tag the engines. Simply get a Gendarme to check all the engines in a port with a scanner.

    All new purchases have to be logged. It'll be really clear who is buying all the boats - normal types buy and hold, or buy a lot through companies.

    This is quite straightforward detail. You'd also pick up on a lot of other illicit activity though...

    Finally - the boats are not being piloted by the immigrants themselves. Do you think a bunch of Middle Eastern and African refugees have the skills to pilot small boats through one of the world's busiest commercial lanes??

    Get the Belgians and French to confiscate the boats - do you really think they're all dinghies?

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,841
    edited June 2022
    Nigelb said:

    Having said that, the poll's details are considerably less clearcut than the headline suggests, with a large number of responses being undecided on the issue - which given the likely complexities of any eventual outcome is not altogether unrealistic.
    ...But ECFR’s polling showed a clear divide between Europeans who want peace as soon as possible (35% across the 10 countries), and those who want justice – defined as restoring Ukraine’s territorial integrity and holding Russia to account (22%).

    A third “swing” group, who share the anti-Russian feelings of justice supporters but also the peace camp’s fears of escalation, accounted for about 20% of voters, the report found – with major distribution differences between countries...
    It's quite natural and right that the people of the UK, whilst opposed strongly to the invasion of Ukraine, and extremely tolerant of the fairly significant costs and disruption to businesses already incurred, are anxious about the long term harm. The British Government is meant to look after the interests and security of the British people, not prosecute foreign conflicts that make them poorer. This was true in the time of The Crusades and The War of Spanish Succession is still true today.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,774

    The ECHR was mainly setup by British lawyers.

    So what we are saying is that we no longer believe in British law.

    What they are saying is that an institution which they barely had an opinion on until this week is now an unacceptable burden on the UK government because it issued an injunction which delays the implementation of a Home Secretary’s administrative decision (note this policy is not based on new legislation) by three weeks.

    And so we have to leave an institution of which we were a founder member shortly after WWII.

    Whatever else they are, it certainly isn’t conservative.
  • HYUFD said:
    BJO please explain
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,670
    edited June 2022
    rcs1000 said:

    I would include landlords (and subletters) in that too.

    If a landlord is renting you a place despite you having no legal right to be in the UK, then he should be subject to a fine. (Likewise if you sublet a room.)
    This last came in in 2014, and is just another part of the leaning tower of regulatory bureaucracy.

    The fine is a Civil Penalty of up to £3k per individual.

    It also applies to lodgers renting your spare bedrooms, even under the tax-free rent-a-room scheme. But with somewhat lower fines.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,073
    edited June 2022
    HYUFD said:
    I’m not surprised you are quick to post this one HY, but are you going to make the mistake of calling it swing to Conservatives? 🙂
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,670
    edited June 2022
    Keystone said:

    The transponders are cross referenced against granular radar.

    They turn off the transponder - you intercept.

    A vessel leaves without a transponder - you intercept.

    Vessels are a couple of hundred grand and up. They're not single use.

    Or digitally tag the engines. Simply get a Gendarme to check all the engines in a port with a scanner.

    All new purchases have to be logged. It'll be really clear who is buying all the boats - normal types buy and hold, or buy a lot through companies.

    This is quite straightforward detail. You'd also pick up on a lot of other illicit activity though...

    Finally - the boats are not being piloted by the immigrants themselves. Do you think a bunch of Middle Eastern and African refugees have the skills to pilot small boats through one of the world's busiest commercial lanes??

    Get the Belgians and French to confiscate the boats - do you really think they're all dinghies?

    Here's a sample boat that landed last year. The one on the left, I think.

    It does not look like £200k.


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-english-channel-illegal-migrants-b1887019.html

    Even so, a lot are a lot more fragile than that.

  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,073
    OnboardG1 said:

    I quite agree. The policy is rotten from any side of the political aisle and we shouldn’t be afraid to voice that alongside those we normally disagree with. If we have any adherence to the traditions of justice, order and defence of the individual that the UK has (usually) always championed we should be building an ironclad asylum system. One that can hear cases swiftly, with appropriate avenues of appeal and well planned and executed avenues for integration or deportation.

    Instead we have a Home Office that for pretty much my whole lifetime has existed as the PR wing of the government of the time and has become more and more incompetent and half-arsed. The reason the flights are delayed is because the drafting of the law is crap and the Home Office is unable to make it work (a joint effort of poor culture and bad legislation). Quite beyond the moral aspect, it’s embarrassing that the government is unable to follow its own bloody laws.
    I can’t give your brilliant reply any more likes than 1

    They say it’s Conservatism, but not as we have always known or trusted it 😕
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