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  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630
    Scott_xP said:

    Millions are struggling to make ends meet, and ministers splashed £20k of public cash on, amongst other things...juggling lessons.

    This government is a literal clown show.


    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1528743508823138305?s=20&t=S6zPadddumGLNBns6B1b3A

    A story as old as government. It’s not their money to waste.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594

    Yes, like the nerdy political junky I am becoming, I have been following the remaining counts here

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/federal/2022/results?filter=indoubt&sort=az&state=all
    I prefer to think of those interested in political minutiae as normal and balanced individuals with a love of public service, and those who are not as the deviants.

    There do appear to be a lot more of them, alas.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,754
    dixiedean said:

    Interesting comparison raised between Australia and USA's political culture.
    We don't yet know if there's a majority or not. The votes haven't all been counted after three days, and it's on a knife edge really*.
    Yet. Morrison has conceded, Albanese has been sworn in, and has met with foreign leaders and is appointing a Cabinet.
    No one has launched a legal action, denied any votes.were real, assembled a pitchfork wielding mob, nor demanded anyone stop counting whilst my side is ahead.
    Everyone's just moved on.

    *I know largest Party isn't a question. But a majority is still questionable. And though the Coalition couldn't form a government, Labor hasn't actually done so either. If it needs to.

    From memory the Coalition deal hadn’t been done yet when Cameron went to the Palace either had it? Perhaps in the Commonwealth we’re just more civilised.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,059
    biggles said:

    From memory the Coalition deal hadn’t been done yet when Cameron went to the Palace either had it? Perhaps in the Commonwealth we’re just more civilised.
    Though it always takes 2 months for a new President to be inaugrated in the US, in the UK and Australia there is normally a change of PM within a week if not the day after the election if the opposition win
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,771

    The baked tattie place at the top of Cockburn Street was amazing. They used to do brilliant vegetarian Haggis samosas too.
    I really like Mimi's Bakehouse for breakfast, up in Leith.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,132
    Tuesday’s Daily RECORD: “It’s My Party And I’ll Lie If I Want To” #TomorrowsPapersToday https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1528842154403143680/photo/1
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,132
    Conservatives on Tiverton have put Boris at the top of their letter to voters.

    I wonder if CCHQ is deliberately tying Boris to defeat?

    Or is it just disastrously misjudged?
    https://twitter.com/robblackie/status/1528841581373046785/photo/1
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,132
    After today I dare say there’s a good chance images of the PM will be on the top of Tiverton Lib Dem leaflets https://twitter.com/robblackie/status/1528841581373046785
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    The baked tattie place at the top of Cockburn Street was amazing. They used to do brilliant vegetarian Haggis samosas too.
    That is almost the perfect example, basically bang on the Royal Mile, massive tourist footfall. Has absolutely no need to be any good to turn a decent profit and no, it is fantastic - massive potatoes, generous filling, good service all perfectly done.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    Scott_xP said:

    Tuesday’s Daily RECORD: “It’s My Party And I’ll Lie If I Want To” #TomorrowsPapersToday https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1528842154403143680/photo/1

    Not a patch on
    "Last Days of the Radge."
    But passable.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Pennsylvania 2022 Primary - Republican for US Senate
    as of 10 minutes ago

    Mehmet Oz
    418,697 31.2%
    Dave McCormick
    417,716 31.1%
    Kathy Barnette
    330,809 24.7%
    Total reported
    1,341,156

    SSI - first report I've seen since Friday where Dr Oz is less than a thousand votes ahead of McC.

    Note this race is well within min 5% dif to trigger automatic recount under PA law, decided by mid June UNLESS taken to court post-recount by losing candidate.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,059
    Scott_xP said:

    After today I dare say there’s a good chance images of the PM will be on the top of Tiverton Lib Dem leaflets https://twitter.com/robblackie/status/1528841581373046785

    He is the party leader and elected PM supporting the Tories excellent local candidate
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/23/office-for-students-chair-james-wharton-same-event-as-denounced-racist-zsolt-bayer

    I look forward to hearing PB Tories and other stalwart opponents of anti semitism calling out the man the government has appointed to oversee England's universities - after he ran Boris Johnson's leadership campaign, natch - for sharing a platform with a Hungarian anti semite and racist who calls Jews "stinking excrement." James Wharton said it was good to attend the conference and "fight for the values that we all hold dear."

    Yawn. Not a Tory, but "sharing a platform" whines are a pretty good wanker indicator. No offence.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,317
    Off Topic

    I am not a drinker, but to celebrate Paul Brand's report in a few minutes on ITV News at 10,, I pondered, a bottle of Reverend James or a Gwynt y DDraig Black Dragon cider. I plumped for the cider. Very nice too, but is it a party?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    HYUFD said:

    He is the party leader and elected PM supporting the Tories excellent local candidate
    That doesn't mean they automatically put him at the top of their leaflets. I'm sure it will not be hard to find examples of where they did not do so.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,244

    Off Topic

    I am not a drinker, but to celebrate Paul Brand's report in a few minutes on ITV News at 10,, I pondered, a bottle of Reverend James or a Gwynt y DDraig Black Dragon cider. I plumped for the cider. Very nice too, but is it a party?

    Black Dragon is an absolutely gorgeous drink.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,059
    edited May 2022
    If Boris got 2 fines, he already has 1 with Sunak, then Starmer and Rayner definitely should get at least 1 too given the drinks event they attended in lockdown too
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    dixiedean said:

    Have a feeling Biden's "Yes" is by far the most important thing that's happened today.

    That depends a bit on what it was a Yes to, surely? Care to expand?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,317
    HYUFD said:

    If Boris got 2 fines, he already has 1 with Sunak, then Starmer and Rayner definitely should get at least 1 too given the drinks event they attended in lockdown too

    Please show your working out
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,548
    edited May 2022
    Daisy Cooper right on the money on BBC:

    Millions of people sat at home and seeing those pictures would be sure that if they had done that the police would have fined them.

    And indeed, as she did not say, thousands were fined for exactly this behaviour.

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    IshmaelZ said:

    That depends a bit on what it was a Yes to, surely? Care to expand?
    Was asked if the US would defend Taiwan?
    The long-standing bi-partisan policy of "strategic ambiguity" has been overturned.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,548
    IshmaelZ said:

    That depends a bit on what it was a Yes to, surely? Care to expand?
    Taiwan I think.

  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Scott_xP said:

    Conservatives on Tiverton have put Boris at the top of their letter to voters.

    I wonder if CCHQ is deliberately tying Boris to defeat?

    Or is it just disastrously misjudged?
    https://twitter.com/robblackie/status/1528841581373046785/photo/1

    Fuck me, what a completely pathetic point, given that if they hadn't you'd be rebleating someone saying Hurhurhur no reference to Boris on tory Tiverton letters. Is a bit of quality control on your part just too much to ask for?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,059

    Please show your working out
    As otherwise it would be police bias in favour of Labour and against the Tories. There was little to no difference between the social event Starmer and Rayner went to in lockdown and those Johnson and Sunak attended
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,029
    edited May 2022
    HYUFD said:

    Who cares? The Met already fined Johnson and Sunak, the vast majority of voters made up their minds on Johnson months ago over partygate, all the further stories on this like tonight's are just noise.

    It is Starmer who has said he will resign if fined, even if the Met decided to go further with Johnson and fine him again it would be irrelevant given he was already fined
    Far too complacent and no this is not noise

    The next 10 days are an everyday crisis for Boris, and I am not sure he will survive as this furore is out of his control

    To my mind Sue Gray's report is critical for Boris, as each event is detailed and who actually organised them, and if he is given a pass was it that he attended the event briefly as he continued work

    It would be foolish to make light of this
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,548
    dixiedean said:

    Not a patch on
    "Last Days of the Radge."
    But passable.
    Mail throw squirrel about rail strikes.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited May 2022
    dixiedean said:

    Have a feeling Biden's "Yes" is by far the most important thing that's happened today.

    Indeed.

    I think the US is going to end up with a bloody nose, at some point, though.

    The post 1945 settlement might last a little longer, but it’s ultimately unsustainable, absent US hegemony.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,059
    dixiedean said:

    Was asked if the US would defend Taiwan?
    The long-standing bi-partisan policy of "strategic ambiguity" has been overturned.
    Both Biden and Trump have now said they would go to war with China to defend Taiwan, a big shift and not gone down well in Beijing.

    Had the US President made a similar commitment to Ukraine before the invasion, even though it was not in NATO whose member states have automatic US intervention to defend, Russia may never have invaded.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,059

    Far too complacent and no this is not noise

    The next 10 days are an everyday crisis for Boris, and I am not sure he will survive as this furore is out of his control

    To my mind Sue Gray's report is critical for Boris, as each event is detailed and who actually organised them, and if he is given a pass was it that he attended the event briefly as he continued work

    It would be foolish to make light of this
    The majority of the 33% to 35% still backing the Tories could not give a toss about partygate, they also think it hypocritical Boris has been fined and Starmer hasn't.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,012
    Cakegate.
    Frankly, my dear, I couldn't give a damn.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,849

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/23/office-for-students-chair-james-wharton-same-event-as-denounced-racist-zsolt-bayer

    I look forward to hearing PB Tories and other stalwart opponents of anti semitism calling out the man the government has appointed to oversee England's universities - after he ran Boris Johnson's leadership campaign, natch - for sharing a platform with a Hungarian anti semite and racist who calls Jews "stinking excrement." James Wharton said it was good to attend the conference and "fight for the values that we all hold dear."

    So happy I did my bit removing Wharton from parliament. Only to have Bonzo put him straight back in.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,106
    HYUFD said:

    If Boris got 2 fines, he already has 1 with Sunak, then Starmer and Rayner definitely should get at least 1 too given the drinks event they attended in lockdown too

    What exactly are you waiting for? Johnson to emerge as a trustworthy, noble election winning force?
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,528
    HYUFD said:

    As otherwise it would be police bias in favour of Labour and against the Tories. There was little to no difference between the social event Starmer and Rayner went to in lockdown and those Johnson and Sunak attended
    Different rules at different times.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,029
    HYUFD said:

    The majority of the 33% to 35% still backing the Tories could not give a toss about partygate, they also think it hypocritical Boris has been fined and Starmer hasn't.
    Where is your evidence of this other than a fantasy in your own imagination
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    edited May 2022
    Are Tory MP's appearing in the media the only people who haven't seen these photos?
    I mean. I think it's overblown. But "having made no effort whatsoever to see what I am being interviewed about" is a pretty pathetic excuse.
    You'd be sanctioned if this was a DWP mandated interview for openly taking the piss.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,650

    It turns out the entire energy market was a scam, with providers merely providing a kind of performative competition.

    The UK seems to specialise in such fictions while maintaining that it is a deregulated, post-Thatcher paradise.
    Care to explain why?

    For the decade I have been advising people on reducing their energy costs, the single most effective measure has been to switch regularly - and we now have services to make it easy.

    Often saves 25%+. Then generally as much again can be saved by low-hanging fruit of energy saving measures.

    That's not working at the moment for obvious reasons, and the regulation has undermined the gains to an extent since about 2019.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    IshmaelZ said:

    Fuck me, what a completely pathetic point, given that if they hadn't you'd be rebleating someone saying Hurhurhur no reference to Boris on tory Tiverton letters. Is a bit of quality control on your part just too much to ask for?
    It always has been.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,867

    What exactly are you waiting for? Johnson to emerge as a trustworthy, noble election winning force?
    He may not be trustworthy... but he did win a near landslide for Con two and a half years ago...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,059

    Where is your evidence of this other than a fantasy in your own imagination
    The fact the polls still have the Tories on 33% to 35% despite this ridiculous partygate story still going and despite Boris already having been fined
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,059
    kjh said:

    Different rules at different times.
    Starmer and Rayner were also drinking in a social gathering in lockdown, little difference at all
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,528
    IshmaelZ said:

    Fuck me, what a completely pathetic point, given that if they hadn't you'd be rebleating someone saying Hurhurhur no reference to Boris on tory Tiverton letters. Is a bit of quality control on your part just too much to ask for?
    I think it is a fair point. It is well known that parties use pictures of their leader when popular and avoid like the plague when unpopular so this is an interesting development worthy of note.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,548
    Jim Pickard
    @PickardJE
    ·
    4h
    the Lib Dems have written to the Independent Office for Police Conduct re the Met’s failure to fine Johnson at the party in the pictures
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,059
    GIN1138 said:

    He may not be trustworthy... but he did win a near landslide for Con two and a half years ago...
    Indeed, Johnson is the Tories biggest general election winner since Thatcher
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,029
    HYUFD said:

    The fact the polls still have the Tories on 33% to 35% despite this ridiculous partygate story still going and despite Boris already having been fined
    The polls do not reflect today's disclosures nor the furore that is coming Boris's way and you seem to be in some form of denials
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,528
    HYUFD said:

    Starmer and Rayner were also drinking in a social gathering in lockdown, little difference at all
    What? The rules were completely different.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,650
    Nigelb said:

    Energy policy is a consistent failure of successive governments of the last two decades.

    One big reason Switzerland appears to have so much lower inflation than basically anywhere else

    Hydroelectric and nuclear power FTW
    https://efginternational.com/us/insights/2022/Why-is-Swiss-inflation-low.html


    For hydro, substitute wind and tidal.
    The first hasn’t happened fast enough; the second has been completely and irrationally hobbled.

    Switzerland is interesting at present. Brussels have been using potential exclusion from the European grid (where Ch has been a key interchange point since 1958) as a lever to try and make Ch accept the Brussels demand on electricity interchange.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-01/blackout-risk-spooks-switzerland-after-eu-raises-no-deal-stakes

    I wonder if observing what has happened Ch will consider opting out.

    Or that Brussels might very suddenly discover that more flexibility is possible, bearing in mind that Portugal and Spain are being significantly isolated from the EU-wide market.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,012
    kjh said:

    I think it is a fair point. It is well known that parties use pictures of their leader when popular and avoid like the plague when unpopular so this is an interesting development worthy of note.
    So what does this interesting development signify, in your opinion?

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,029
    HYUFD said:

    Indeed, Johnson is the Tories biggest general election winner since Thatcher
    Was
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,106
    GIN1138 said:

    He may not be trustworthy... but he did win a near landslide for Con two and a half years ago...
    ..against Jeremy Corbyn?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,548
    Kitty Donaldson
    @kitty_donaldson
    ·
    1h
    Seems likely the Home Affairs Committee will want to hear from the Met Police about their decision-making process over #Partygate. Also puts
    @DurhamPolice
    under a lot of pressure over their Keir Starmer investigation
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,770

    He Was There. He doesn't need to be assured.
    Of course he didn’t. But the cute choice of words potentially allows him to wiggle out of a charge of lying. That’s all I am arguing.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,548

    Was
    2 1/2 years is a very long time with all that has happened.

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    GIN1138 said:

    He may not be trustworthy... but he did win a near landslide for Con two and a half years ago...
    Yeah. And Tony Blair won three. Two of them twice as big.
    So. By that logic...
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,867

    ..against Jeremy Corbyn?
    So what?

    Theresa May went up against the Jezziah and almost blew everything up. People may not like Boris but the fact is he IS clearly an election winner.

    To deny that is just silly.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,360
    kjh said:

    Different rules at different times.
    It's where a certain kind of Boris backer wants us to get to. If everyone is bad, then nobody is bad and it doesn't matter that there are a couple of obvious ways that Johnson is worse than even the averagely mendacious politician.

    But that is what politicians like Johnson and Trump do. If you play a straight bat against them, they will run rings around you. Indulge in even the palest of dark arts and they squark about your hypocricy. And then run rings around you.

    There's a piece by Hugo Rifkind in tomorrow's Times that nails it in a bitter admiration sort of way. To quote the headline and subhead;

    PM’s superpower is to trivialise everything

    Boris Johnson’s greatest ability is to twist reality so that critics of his dishonesty sound as though they’re unhinged

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pms-superpower-is-to-trivialise-everything-cjxrq2tvs
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,400
    MattW said:

    Care to explain why?

    For the decade I have been advising people on reducing their energy costs, the single most effective measure has been to switch regularly - and we now have services to make it easy.

    Often saves 25%+. Then generally as much again can be saved by low-hanging fruit of energy saving measures.

    That's not working at the moment for obvious reasons, and the regulation has undermined the gains to an extent since about 2019.
    @Gardenwalker overstates the case, but the electricity regulation system in the UK has reduced the resilience of the UK to external shocks.

    Right now, electrical generators are paid according to:

    (1) How much electricity they produce, and (for gas, coal, etc) the market price for that energy
    (2) A capacity payment for dispatchable power

    The idea of (2) was to ensure that there would always be enough power generation available in the even the sun was not shining and the wind not blowing. Basically, that slightly out of date plant might not produce a lot of energy a year, but this way the capacity payments ensured it stayed open (and available) rather being shuttered.

    There was only one problem - which I identified in a white paper in 2015 - which is that the owners of these power plants didn't actually have to have any coal or gas for their plants, they only needed to have the plant.

    What this meant is that - with the exception of the Norwegian supply contract - pretty much none of the UK's gas is on long-term contracts.

    In the event that it became impossible to get LNG deliveries (because you were outbid by the Spanish), well, you might not be able to actually generate power, but you'd still get paid the capacity payment.

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,770
    Foxy said:

    https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1468563160827568130?t=14nQF-pGGaPFeX-0tv9ghg&s=19

    “Can the prime minister tell the House whether there was a party in Downing Street on 13 November?” asks Labour’s Catherine West

    “No, but I’m sure whatever happened the guidance... and the rules were followed at all times,” says the PM

    Strangely, I remember that day very well. It was the day Mrs Foxy was redeployed to Intensive Care, pre vaccination. She came down with it a few days later.
    Again his quote:

    “No” relates to “can the pm tell the house whether…” not whether there was a part

    “I’m sure.. guidance … and rules were followed” makes it his belief not fact.

    He’s clever with words.

    My view remains that it’s the political blowback among votes (eg Foxy above) that matters
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Wrexham: Man dies after being bitten by dog at house

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-61551650

    It seems quite likely from the report that it was his own lovable tail-wagger, which makes laughing like a drain a legitimate option.

  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,528
    geoffw said:

    So what does this interesting development signify, in your opinion?

    Not a clue to be honest. Confident he is a net vote winner? Not confident, but cocked it up?

    Really don't know, but interesting because I would assume they would avoid using his picture, but haven't so definitely interesting.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,867
    edited May 2022
    dixiedean said:

    Yeah. And Tony Blair won three. Two of them twice as big.
    So. By that logic...
    It's true! Tone was a winner. And people kinda forget now even after Iraq he won a decent majority in 2005.

    I may not like Blair much from 2001 onwards but he was/is a winner. He's up there in the premier league of post WWII election winning PM's with Wilson and Thatch no question. It would be silly to deny otherwise...
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,770


    The original comment amused me greatly. To paraphrase “She’s biased against the Prime Minister because she knows him”
    She was presented as “his biographer” as of that was an Anthony Seldon like deceleration from Mount Sinai… I was just introducing balance
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    dixiedean said:

    Are Tory MP's appearing in the media the only people who haven't seen these photos?
    I mean. I think it's overblown. But "having made no effort whatsoever to see what I am being interviewed about" is a pretty pathetic excuse.
    You'd be sanctioned if this was a DWP mandated interview for openly taking the piss.

    It is a distressingly common and so presumably deemed effective tactic. Zahawi was squirming similarly yesterday around why, being interviewed about what had taken place and what the PM has asked for or not, he had not asked the PM.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,771

    Again his quote:

    “No” relates to “can the pm tell the house whether…” not whether there was a part

    “I’m sure.. guidance … and rules were followed” makes it his belief not fact.

    He’s clever with words.

    My view remains that it’s the political blowback among votes (eg Foxy above) that matters
    The Times front page suggests that at least some people are not prepared to entertain that brand of sophistry.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    GIN1138 said:

    It's true! Tone was a winner. And people kinda forget now even after Iraq he won a decent majority in 2005.

    I may not like Blair much from 2001 onwards but he was/is a winner. He's up there in the premier league of election winning PM's with Wilson and Thatch no question. It would be silly to deny otherwise...
    Get sick of hearing Labour should be 20% ahead.
    However. Tony would be.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    GIN1138 said:

    So what?

    Theresa May went up against the Jezziah and almost blew everything up. People may not like Boris but the fact is he IS clearly an election winner.

    To deny that is just silly.
    I agree. I do not like him, and it may well be his appeal is often fleeting for many, but he has appeal, and previously had even more, when it mattered. You simply do not wrack up the votes he did without sufficient people being drawn to do so, not merely repelled by someone else - there were other choices on the ballot after all. The repelling factor may well be the more significant factor, but his being the right person at the right moment to appeal to people (despite his high negatives) I cannot rightly contest.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,689
    HYUFD said:

    Starmer and Rayner were also drinking in a social gathering in lockdown, little difference at all
    You are embarrassing yourself here.

    Case 1. Leaving do. Big piss up. Table weighed down with booze.

    Case 2. A late evening take away curry. Washed down with a lager.

    No difference?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,012
     
    kjh said:

    Not a clue to be honest. Confident he is a net vote winner? Not confident, but cocked it up?

    Really don't know, but interesting because I would assume they would avoid using his picture, but haven't so definitely interesting.
    Tx. They think he adds to their chance of winning. Ishmael caught Scott with his trousers down.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,548

    Dominic Cummings
    @Dominic2306
    ·
    10h
    🛒 trying usual SW1 trick - blame junior women, many of whom saved many lives by forcing him to change idiotic decisions.

    ====

    Interesting. There's a tale here I suspect.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Farooq said:

    Dogs are still khunts
    You're just blind to their lovely lovability.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,059
    dixiedean said:

    Yeah. And Tony Blair won three. Two of them twice as big.
    So. By that logic...
    Yes and when Labour effectively forced Blair out in 2007 earlier than he wanted, Labour lost all 4 of the next general elections
  • gettingbettergettingbetter Posts: 584
    IshmaelZ said:

    Wrexham: Man dies after being bitten by dog at house

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-61551650

    It seems quite likely from the report that it was his own lovable tail-wagger, which makes laughing like a drain a legitimate option.

    It is still horrible and sad even if it was partly his own fault for having a nasty dog. Nothing to laugh about please.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,059
    edited May 2022

    You are embarrassing yourself here.

    Case 1. Leaving do. Big piss up. Table weighed down with booze.

    Case 2. A late evening take away curry. Washed down with a lager.

    No difference?
    Yes no difference, both social events of multiple people against the rules. The amount of alcohol consumed was irrelevant
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,360
    mwadams said:

    The Times front page suggests that at least some people are not prepared to entertain that brand of sophistry.
    Worse than that...

    Boris Johnson suggested Sue Gray should drop her full report given police investigation during secret meeting earlier this month, Times told

    He is said to have asked her if there was much point in publishing it given that ‘it’s all out there’


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1528849576798654471

    OK, it's a unnamed source, but it's also the front page of The Times.
  • UnpopularUnpopular Posts: 913

    Again his quote:

    “No” relates to “can the pm tell the house whether…” not whether there was a part

    “I’m sure.. guidance … and rules were followed” makes it his belief not fact.

    He’s clever with words.

    My view remains that it’s the political blowback among votes (eg Foxy above) that matters
    I'm not sure the guidance point works. Saying "I'm sure" won't make it a belief if he knows that guidance and rules were not followed.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,733
    dixiedean said:

    Have a feeling Biden's "Yes" is by far the most important thing that's happened today.

    This wasn’t quite up to ‘yes’, but I liked it.

    https://twitter.com/KannoYoungs/status/1528208720869478401
    Biden was asked by @kaitlancollins if he had a message for Kim Jong-un. “Hello,” he said before pausing for a couple seconds. “Period.”
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    edited May 2022

    Worse than that...

    Boris Johnson suggested Sue Gray should drop her full report given police investigation during secret meeting earlier this month, Times told

    He is said to have asked her if there was much point in publishing it given that ‘it’s all out there’


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1528849576798654471

    OK, it's a unnamed source, but it's also the front page of The Times.
    If, and it is a big if, that is accurate (and who could possibly be the source), then he is a titanic fool. On what basis would he seek to prevent publication if there was nothing further in it to worry about, indeed he should be all the keener for it to be released in that case. Which would make such an entreaty an obvious cover.

    It'd be crazier that Farooq's dog distaste.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,263
    HYUFD said:

    Yes no difference, both social events of multiple people against the rules. The amount of alcohol consumed was irrelevant
    Were the rules identical on Nov 13th 2020 (before the first vaccination and during a steep rise in cases) and in April 21 (when 50% of the British population had at least one vaccination and cases swiftly dropping)?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    edited May 2022
    HYUFD said:

    Yes and when Labour effectively forced Blair out in 2007 earlier than he wanted, Labour lost all 4 of the next general elections
    Well indeed. He's the greatest PM of my lifetime by a country mile.
    He's still around. The country's gone to pot since he left.
    I understand that is not a popular opinion.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,770

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/may/23/office-for-students-chair-james-wharton-same-event-as-denounced-racist-zsolt-bayer

    I look forward to hearing PB Tories and other stalwart opponents of anti semitism calling out the man the government has appointed to oversee England's universities - after he ran Boris Johnson's leadership campaign, natch - for sharing a platform with a Hungarian anti semite and racist who calls Jews "stinking excrement." James Wharton said it was good to attend the conference and "fight for the values that we all hold dear."

    Just to confirm “sharing a platform” means

    being part of a panel together
    sharing the same values
    Having a video message played at a global political conference at which someone with unsavoury views subsequently spoke
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,689

    Again his quote:

    “No” relates to “can the pm tell the house whether…” not whether there was a part

    “I’m sure.. guidance … and rules were followed” makes it his belief not fact.

    He’s clever with words.

    My view remains that it’s the political blowback among votes (eg Foxy above) that matters
    Pull the other one.

    No (I can't tell the house). Come off it.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,771
    Foxy said:

    Were the rules identical on Nov 13th 2020 (before the first vaccination and during a steep rise in cases) and in April 21 (when 50% of the British population had at least one vaccination and cases swiftly dropping)?
    Ooh! I know the answer to this one...
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,528
    geoffw said:

     

    Tx. They think he adds to their chance of winning. Ishmael caught Scott with his trousers down.

    I don't think Scott was caught with his trousers down at all. He makes a valid point because what has been done is counter intuitive for most people. I think most people including many Tories think Boris is currently toxic so it seems odd they are doing this. It could be that the Tiverton Tories are correct, but it is not what most people think.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,548
    Nick Watt repeating several times that "work" gatherings "like this drinks event" were not banned.

    Utter bollocks.

    Clearly not allowed under the law at the time.

  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Farooq said:

    You don't need eyes to know dogs are evil. The smell is enough.
    And people let their dogs lick their face.

    Dog owners should be deported.
    They aren't inherently evil any more than say tapeworms or the rabies virus are. But their owners definitely have questions to answer.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    edited May 2022
    Nigelb said:

    This wasn’t quite up to ‘yes’, but I liked it.

    https://twitter.com/KannoYoungs/status/1528208720869478401
    Biden was asked by @kaitlancollins if he had a message for Kim Jong-un. “Hello,” he said before pausing for a couple seconds. “Period.”
    He does have some amusing moments. There was that occasion awhile back whena a journalist was trying get some detail about what Biden precisely meant about responding in kind to a potential Russian chemical attack in Ukraine.

    “I’m not going to tell you. Why would I tell you? You got to be silly.”

    “The world wants to know?”

    “The world wants to know a lot of things. I’m not telling what the response would be. Then Russia knows the response."
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,849
    Compare and contrast:
    This morning: Chief Secretary to the Treasury Simon Clarke says Sue Gray organised the Downing Street meeting https://twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1528668890951213056
    This evening; The Times front page lead - Johnson called the meeting and demanded Gray drop her investigation https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1528847049747316739/photo/1

    But there is no cover-up. Nothing to see. Tory corruption front and centre.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,770
    Scott_xP said:

    After today I dare say there’s a good chance images of the PM will be on the top of Tiverton Lib Dem leaflets https://twitter.com/robblackie/status/1528841581373046785

    @HYUFD toeing the line in the thread
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,548
    Bone now on BBC 2 saying the Met are right it wasn't a party.

    Barely a single voter will agree I think.

    I'm very much looking forward to the by-elections.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,012
    kjh said:

    I don't think Scott was caught with his trousers down at all. He makes a valid point because what has been done is counter intuitive for most people. I think most people including many Tories think Boris is currently toxic so it seems odd they are doing this. It could be that the Tiverton Tories are correct, but it is not what most people think.
    You shouldn't confuse the baying opinions on this board with "most people".

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,059
    Foxy said:

    Were the rules identical on Nov 13th 2020 (before the first vaccination and during a steep rise in cases) and in April 21 (when 50% of the British population had at least one vaccination and cases swiftly dropping)?
    In April 2021 you were still not allowed to socialise indoors except with your household or support bubble.

    Indoor hospitality was illegal at the time
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,770
    IshmaelZ said:

    Fuck me, what a completely pathetic point, given that if they hadn't you'd be rebleating someone saying Hurhurhur no reference to Boris on tory Tiverton letters. Is a bit of quality control on your part just too much to ask for?
    Yes. Next question?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    Farooq said:

    Ok, I'll grant you that. Dogs are on a par with scrofula and scabies.
    Taste better in a curry though?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,849
    HYUFD said:

    In April 2021 you were still not allowed to socialise indoors except with your household or support bubble.

    Indoor hospitality was illegal at the time
    And yet there we have Michael Gove advertised as the big pull to Tory activists in a pub at lunchtime.

    Campaign events were legal. Your squirming just makes us laugh at your massive plank even harder.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,548
    HYUFD said:

    In April 2021 you were still not allowed to socialise indoors except with your household or support bubble.

    Indoor hospitality was illegal at the time
    So - are you agreeing that Lee Cain's leaving do on 13th November was illegal?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,689
    HYUFD said:

    Yes no difference, both social events of multiple people against the rules. The amount of alcohol consumed was irrelevant
    We don't yet know whether the police consider the Durham event to be against the rules.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    If that’s a work event then Starmers was too.

    No way should he get a FPN .
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    geoffw said:

    You shouldn't confuse the baying opinions on this board with "most people".

    Most people of sense agree with everything I say, naturally.

    So, yes, not most people.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,770
    MattW said:

    Care to explain why?

    For the decade I have been advising people on reducing their energy costs, the single most effective measure has been to switch regularly - and we now have services to make it easy.

    Often saves 25%+. Then generally as much again can be saved by low-hanging fruit of energy saving measures.

    That's not working at the moment for obvious reasons, and the regulation has undermined the gains to an extent since about 2019.
    There’s a more strategic issue though in that because spot was cheaper it encouraged the market to lean one way while not correctly pricing in societal risks
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,689

    Nick Watt repeating several times that "work" gatherings "like this drinks event" were not banned.

    Utter bollocks.

    Clearly not allowed under the law at the time.

    Yes, he was talking shite. Especially as attendees at this event were fined.
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