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A 'continental' metre of ale!!!Alanbrooke said:
Well Mr metre of ale for breakfast Southern wuss, I may well be down your way soon, as I have to go to Brighton so if you;re about I'll see if you can get past 12.05 p.m. without falling overHurstLlama said:@AlanBrooke
"I had a delightfully liquid lunch in Brum"
And yet you are posting at 16:44. Liquid lunches have obviously been tamed since my day.
get your excuses in now ;-)
Would Mr Llama not consume beer by the yard, furlong or chain?0 -
So not even the fact their nationality might be about to change will get them down the polling station?Casino_Royale said:
plus those who genuinely and utterly can't be arsed about anything.0 -
Your JSA would not last longTheWatcher said:
Splendid establishment by the look of it. A pub in which one could happily spend a day.Alanbrooke said:
The Wellington on Bennetts Hill, or as it's affectionately known the boardroom. 30 ish ales on tap plus lots in bottles behind the bar. If you fancy lunch and a train back to L\Spa let me know.SouthamObserver said:
Where can you have a delightful liquid lunch in Brum?Alanbrooke said:VOX POP
I had a delightfully liquid lunch in Brum today with 3 people all fairly well placed in the financial community and one with a subsid in Scotland. Straw poll said :
1. astonishment that Scots have suddenly lost their senses and take Salmond at face value
2. If a Yes , Fk 'em and a hard negotiation, no CU, no Mr nice guy, protect our interests
3. If No, sod Devo Max if we can't get a similar deal
4. Any Scot imagining no consequences will have a shock when money moves south and anybody leaving cash in iScotland is mad. Scoittish notes will be as welcome as ebola
5. Really , aside from just hating the English, have Scots really lost their marbles ?
http://www.thewellingtonrealale.co.uk/0 -
he's a bit slow on the uptake today, it's the problem of being so close to France.TheWatcher said:
A 'continental' metre of ale!!!Alanbrooke said:
Well Mr metre of ale for breakfast Southern wuss, I may well be down your way soon, as I have to go to Brighton so if you;re about I'll see if you can get past 12.05 p.m. without falling overHurstLlama said:@AlanBrooke
"I had a delightfully liquid lunch in Brum"
And yet you are posting at 16:44. Liquid lunches have obviously been tamed since my day.
get your excuses in now ;-)
Would Mr Llama not consume beer by the yard, furlong or chain?
and it wouldn;t be ale but gassy lager ;-)0 -
The Darien Scheme, 1698.
The Salmond Scheme, 2014.
Which, I wonder, will historians rate as the bigger disaster?
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You'd be very thirsty. They don't accept magic McBeans.malcolmg said:
Your JSA would not last longTheWatcher said:
Splendid establishment by the look of it. A pub in which one could happily spend a day.Alanbrooke said:
The Wellington on Bennetts Hill, or as it's affectionately known the boardroom. 30 ish ales on tap plus lots in bottles behind the bar. If you fancy lunch and a train back to L\Spa let me know.SouthamObserver said:
Where can you have a delightful liquid lunch in Brum?Alanbrooke said:VOX POP
I had a delightfully liquid lunch in Brum today with 3 people all fairly well placed in the financial community and one with a subsid in Scotland. Straw poll said :
1. astonishment that Scots have suddenly lost their senses and take Salmond at face value
2. If a Yes , Fk 'em and a hard negotiation, no CU, no Mr nice guy, protect our interests
3. If No, sod Devo Max if we can't get a similar deal
4. Any Scot imagining no consequences will have a shock when money moves south and anybody leaving cash in iScotland is mad. Scoittish notes will be as welcome as ebola
5. Really , aside from just hating the English, have Scots really lost their marbles ?
http://www.thewellingtonrealale.co.uk/
Fingers crossed they have a dog bowl.0 -
my pub panel said they didn't mind bailing out Scotland's banks every 300 years or so, but every 10 was getting a bit much.MarkHopkins said:
The Darien Scheme, 1698.
The Salmond Scheme, 2014.
Which, I wonder, will historians rate as the bigger disaster?0 -
They should give me my JSA back - I'm always watching sky news and RT - I could be a proper journo like SeanT!!!!!!!0
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Would not be hard to buy and sell a dosser like you, cleaning bill would be the biggest costTheWatcher said:
You'd be very thirsty. They don't accept magic McBeans.malcolmg said:
Your JSA would not last longTheWatcher said:
Splendid establishment by the look of it. A pub in which one could happily spend a day.Alanbrooke said:
The Wellington on Bennetts Hill, or as it's affectionately known the boardroom. 30 ish ales on tap plus lots in bottles behind the bar. If you fancy lunch and a train back to L\Spa let me know.SouthamObserver said:
Where can you have a delightful liquid lunch in Brum?Alanbrooke said:VOX POP
I had a delightfully liquid lunch in Brum today with 3 people all fairly well placed in the financial community and one with a subsid in Scotland. Straw poll said :
1. astonishment that Scots have suddenly lost their senses and take Salmond at face value
2. If a Yes , Fk 'em and a hard negotiation, no CU, no Mr nice guy, protect our interests
3. If No, sod Devo Max if we can't get a similar deal
4. Any Scot imagining no consequences will have a shock when money moves south and anybody leaving cash in iScotland is mad. Scoittish notes will be as welcome as ebola
5. Really , aside from just hating the English, have Scots really lost their marbles ?
http://www.thewellingtonrealale.co.uk/0 -
With a cocktail umbrella and a German sausage on the side.Alanbrooke said:
he's a bit slow on the uptake today, it's the problem of being so close to France.TheWatcher said:
A 'continental' metre of ale!!!Alanbrooke said:
Well Mr metre of ale for breakfast Southern wuss, I may well be down your way soon, as I have to go to Brighton so if you;re about I'll see if you can get past 12.05 p.m. without falling overHurstLlama said:@AlanBrooke
"I had a delightfully liquid lunch in Brum"
And yet you are posting at 16:44. Liquid lunches have obviously been tamed since my day.
get your excuses in now ;-)
Would Mr Llama not consume beer by the yard, furlong or chain?
and it wouldn;t be ale but gassy lager ;-)0 -
Rape and Rotherham
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/07/opinion/sunday/ross-douthat-rape-and-rotherham.html?_r=1
"The crucial issue in both [clerical abuse and Rotherham scandals] isn’t some problem that’s exclusive to traditionalism or progressivism. Rather, it’s the protean nature of power and exploitation, and the way that very different forms of willful blindness can combine to frustrate justice. So instead of looking for ideological vindication in these stories, it’s better to draw a general lesson. Show me what a culture values, prizes, puts on a pedestal, and I’ll tell you who is likely to get away with rape."
Via Guido via ConHome0 -
OI! I let your metre of ale go because you had been out to lunch and so cannot be expected to think in a totally straight line. However, I am not having it put about that I am a lager drinker (except when eating curry of course).Alanbrooke said:
he's a bit slow on the uptake today, it's the problem of being so close to France.TheWatcher said:
A 'continental' metre of ale!!!Alanbrooke said:
Well Mr metre of ale for breakfast Southern wuss, I may well be down your way soon, as I have to go to Brighton so if you;re about I'll see if you can get past 12.05 p.m. without falling overHurstLlama said:@AlanBrooke
"I had a delightfully liquid lunch in Brum"
And yet you are posting at 16:44. Liquid lunches have obviously been tamed since my day.
get your excuses in now ;-)
Would Mr Llama not consume beer by the yard, furlong or chain?
and it wouldn;t be ale but gassy lager ;-)0 -
Ms Briskin has Labour's "I'm Voting No" leaflet prominently placed in the living room. I'm not sure if it's some sort of affirmation, a totem of protection, or yet another unsubtle hint that she's pro-milli0
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The Rotherham rapes weren't carried out by people who had been placed on a pedestal.Grandiose said:Rape and Rotherham
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/07/opinion/sunday/ross-douthat-rape-and-rotherham.html?_r=1
"The crucial issue in both [clerical abuse and Rotherham scandals] isn’t some problem that’s exclusive to traditionalism or progressivism. Rather, it’s the protean nature of power and exploitation, and the way that very different forms of willful blindness can combine to frustrate justice. So instead of looking for ideological vindication in these stories, it’s better to draw a general lesson. Show me what a culture values, prizes, puts on a pedestal, and I’ll tell you who is likely to get away with rape."
Via Guido via ConHome
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[I am not having it put about that I am a lager drinker]
I call for unity between the pint drinkers - The new term (Meme Alert!!) should be Lagerbeer. Nice and inclusive. Like LGBT - that seems to work well.
And it discludes the neo-cider drinkers - which I'm sure we can all agree can only be a good thing.0 -
Comres Borders poll apparently
Yes 33 / No 67
previously yes 30 / no 700 -
thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/scotland/referendum/article4203540.ecePlato said:I missed it on the telly - sounds a hoot.
Hosting a Yes Scotland conference for the international media in Edinburgh, he succeeded in taking just 12 questions from overseas journalists over the course of 90 minutes.
Instead, to frequent applause from about 50 supporters, he repeatedly faced down questions about the economics of independence, dismissing any suggestion that a decision by RBS to “re-domicile” its headquarters in London would impact on taxpayers in Scotland. ..
“Corporation tax, does not depend on registered office, but on economic activity.” He later accused Mr Robinson of heckling, was applauded again when mocked the BBC’s “impartial role as a public sector broadcaster”.
Could this be seen as a 'Ratner Moment' or 'Sheffield Arena Moment'?
I only ask as I did not see it. It sounds incredibly crass but thta might go down well in some quarters. Maybe it will set a new trend - a Salmond Moment'?0 -
[Could this be seen as a 'Ratner Moment' or 'Sheffield Arena Moment'?]
No.
Nothing's going to stop the madness bandwagon that is the #indyref now. We've been Full Retard for months. Nothing will change. Hopefully No will win.0 -
I'd predict something like:Sean_F said:
40-55% is quite a wide band. I'm sure Labour would be delighted with the latter. Less so, with the former. It'll be interesting to see if the Conservative vote collapses in favour of UKIP.bigjohnowls said:twitter.com/britainelects/status/510099918846181376/photo/1
By-Election forecast
45% Labour
25% UKIP
15% Tories
5% Lib Dems0 -
Hear George did well for BT at the BBC BigBig Debate , him and the Tory sockpuppet went down a treat.0
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Dead right. It's not right that Wales is so darned reliant, but it is, and pulling the plug would result in disaster.taffys said:''Better for each home nation to have full independence.''
I can only imagine the consternation in Cardiff if the handout economy of Wales suddenly had to pay for itself.
Trust me, they'd never forgive you for that west of the Severn.0 -
Good evening, everyone.0
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twitter.com/AberJohnny/status/510110306350419968/photo/10
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I'm not sure I agree with the argument being put forward, but the Rotherham rapists were effectively 'put on a pedistal' by the local services. They were, by the nature of multiculturalism and a fear of (for whatever) reason causing offence, set apart. As a result of course this did the community in question no favours at all.Sean_F said:
The Rotherham rapes weren't carried out by people who had been placed on a pedestal.Grandiose said:Rape and Rotherham
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/07/opinion/sunday/ross-douthat-rape-and-rotherham.html?_r=1
"The crucial issue in both [clerical abuse and Rotherham scandals] isn’t some problem that’s exclusive to traditionalism or progressivism. Rather, it’s the protean nature of power and exploitation, and the way that very different forms of willful blindness can combine to frustrate justice. So instead of looking for ideological vindication in these stories, it’s better to draw a general lesson. Show me what a culture values, prizes, puts on a pedestal, and I’ll tell you who is likely to get away with rape."
Via Guido via ConHome
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Rupert no longer has his finger on the pulse.
The Sun certain to be on losing side in GE2015 IMO0 -
Evening, sir.Morris_Dancer said:Good evening, everyone.
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Mr. G, to be fair (if Yes wins), Scotland's never been independent during Standard Life's existence before.
Also, other financial institutions have said similar things.
I'm mildly amused at the line it's evil Cameron who has caused these dastardly ruminations. If Salmond had done it the line by Yes would be to marvel at his persuasive powers.0 -
Briskin, done today , shown tonight. Galloway with fedora made a tit of himself as usual. The teenagers were boaking everywhere. Nearly everybody converted to YES, the thick BT turnip tried his SNP = NAZI guff as usual. Deranged halfwit. Teamed up with Ruth Davidson , what a team , up against Nicola and Patrick so most unfair.JBriskin said:
It's already been recorded?? George who?malcolmg said:Hear George did well for BT at the BBC BigBig Debate , him and the Tory sockpuppet went down a treat.
And why's it called the BigBigDebate?? It's only an hour long...
PS: Think it is down to normal friday BigDebate with Brian Taylor , as this one is 8000 teenagers it is a bit bigger.0 -
I'm sure you'll have a right riot when all those anglicised endinburgher finance people leave your new socialist utopia, Malcky.
If it happens - don't worry - I'll be drinking the german wine with the rest of you,0 -
Mr. JS, it's been quite nice today, although I think it too close for my liking. Roll on winter.0
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It certainly bodes well for the weekend's canvassing; I wonder what the differential turnout is between the council areas in Scotland for Westminster and Holyrood elections? It could be significant for the final result.Sean_F said:
That's a hefty margin, but one would expect such a margin from that region.Pong said:Comres Borders poll apparently
Yes 33 / No 67
previously yes 30 / no 700 -
I suspect the Sun won't endorse anyone. They won't be able to bring themselves to endorse Labour even if they look on course for a win, but equally Murdoch seems to really dislike the current Tory leadership.bigjohnowls said:Rupert no longer has his finger on the pulse.
The Sun certain to be on losing side in GE2015 IMO0 -
Evening Morris - I want to put a shift in but probably won't make it. I've got RT 7Bst prog for starters. And there's some 16 years old debate on the beeb at 9. However, As a PB Scot - I will try my best.0
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David Cameron singing "We are never ever getting back together":
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LQPEMf3j6AY0 -
Briskin , all pansies can leave when they want, leave us to enjoy our Blue Nun.JBriskin said:I'm sure you'll have a right riot when all those anglicised endinburgher finance people leave your new socialist utopia, Malcky.
If it happens - don't worry - I'll be drinking the german wine with the rest of you,0 -
There's a bit that follows on:Grandiose said:Rape and Rotherham
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/07/opinion/sunday/ross-douthat-rape-and-rotherham.html?_r=1
"The crucial issue in both [clerical abuse and Rotherham scandals] isn’t some problem that’s exclusive to traditionalism or progressivism. Rather, it’s the protean nature of power and exploitation, and the way that very different forms of willful blindness can combine to frustrate justice. So instead of looking for ideological vindication in these stories, it’s better to draw a general lesson. Show me what a culture values, prizes, puts on a pedestal, and I’ll tell you who is likely to get away with rape."
Via Guido via ConHome... said:And in Rotherham, it meant men whose ethnic and religious background made them seem politically untouchable, and whose victims belonged to a class that both liberal and conservative elements in British society regard with condescension or contempt.
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70% of a few hundred is not a lot. It will be won in the populated parts of the country.Unionist1707 said:
It certainly bodes well for the weekend's canvassing; I wonder what the differential turnout is between the council areas in Scotland for Westminster and Holyrood elections? It could be significant for the final result.Sean_F said:
That's a hefty margin, but one would expect such a margin from that region.Pong said:Comres Borders poll apparently
Yes 33 / No 67
previously yes 30 / no 700 -
'pansies' - are you trapped in the homophobic 70's?malcolmg said:
Briskin , all pansies can leave when they want, leave us to enjoy our Blue Nun.JBriskin said:I'm sure you'll have a right riot when all those anglicised endinburgher finance people leave your new socialist utopia, Malcky.
If it happens - don't worry - I'll be drinking the german wine with the rest of you,0 -
Nicola Sturgeon and Patrick Harvie versus Mr Galloway and Ruth Davidson!malcolmg said:Hear George did well for BT at the BBC BigBig Debate , him and the Tory sockpuppet went down a treat.
If the Twitter feed is anything to go by Mr G did indeed not do well - especially when he managed to bring Herr Hitler and chums in. Also complaints about the youngsters being asked to fib about their political leamings because there were too many yes ... will be interesting.
How odd to use someone who isn't even a politician in a Scottish seat. Couldn't Labour find someone with about 130 tribunes of the people here today?
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MD , permanent summers coming up for usMorris_Dancer said:Mr. JS, it's been quite nice today, although I think it too close for my liking. Roll on winter.
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Galloway!!! Cool. I am much more likely to watch now. Nae that keen or Ruth or Patrick though. We like Nicola though because she has clearly lost her passion for the cause. Pragmatic politician innit.malcolmg said:
Briskin, done today , shown tonight. Galloway with fedora made a tit of himself as usual. The teenagers were boaking everywhere. Nearly everybody converted to YES, the thick BT turnip tried his SNP = NAZI guff as usual. Deranged halfwit. Teamed up with Ruth Davidson , what a team , up against Nicola and Patrick so most unfair.JBriskin said:
It's already been recorded?? George who?malcolmg said:Hear George did well for BT at the BBC BigBig Debate , him and the Tory sockpuppet went down a treat.
And why's it called the BigBigDebate?? It's only an hour long...
PS: Think it is down to normal friday BigDebate with Brian Taylor , as this one is 8000 teenagers it is a bit bigger.
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F1: teams banned from giving drivers advice over the radio:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/29161931
There's a concern the rule is so broad it means practically any communication (such as 'pit now') could contravene it.0 -
only phobic halfwits would post something as offensive as thatTheWatcher said:
'pansies' - are you trapped in the homophobic 70's?malcolmg said:
Briskin , all pansies can leave when they want, leave us to enjoy our Blue Nun.JBriskin said:I'm sure you'll have a right riot when all those anglicised endinburgher finance people leave your new socialist utopia, Malcky.
If it happens - don't worry - I'll be drinking the german wine with the rest of you,0 -
Some boys and girls voting next Thursday look and sound about 12 years old. Indeed some of them are still 15 years old at the moment.0
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Missed this tweet from shadsy;
93% of #indyref stakes today have been for NO. Huge turnaround. http://ow.ly/BnBol pic.twitter.com/S44eOuMydl
I would love to know what the scotland breakdown was.0 -
according to the twits she was awesome , Galloway gruesome. The NO's were howling about how bad their team was. Could be fun, bit of booing.JBriskin said:
Galloway!!! Cool. I am much more likely to watch now. Nae that keen or Ruth or Patrick though. We like Nicola though because she has clearly lost her passion for the cause. Pragmatic politician innit.malcolmg said:
Briskin, done today , shown tonight. Galloway with fedora made a tit of himself as usual. The teenagers were boaking everywhere. Nearly everybody converted to YES, the thick BT turnip tried his SNP = NAZI guff as usual. Deranged halfwit. Teamed up with Ruth Davidson , what a team , up against Nicola and Patrick so most unfair.JBriskin said:
It's already been recorded?? George who?malcolmg said:Hear George did well for BT at the BBC BigBig Debate , him and the Tory sockpuppet went down a treat.
And why's it called the BigBigDebate?? It's only an hour long...
PS: Think it is down to normal friday BigDebate with Brian Taylor , as this one is 8000 teenagers it is a bit bigger.0 -
To be honest I'd regard it as a badge of dishonour to be backed by Murdoch so another reason to vote No. In his ideal world the UK would be broken up with rUK leaving the EU0
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Halfwit , the 70's were great in any case , only retards like yourself would have been homophobic.TheWatcher said:
'pansies' - are you trapped in the homophobic 70's?malcolmg said:
Briskin , all pansies can leave when they want, leave us to enjoy our Blue Nun.JBriskin said:I'm sure you'll have a right riot when all those anglicised endinburgher finance people leave your new socialist utopia, Malcky.
If it happens - don't worry - I'll be drinking the german wine with the rest of you,0 -
The most intelligent comment that I have seen linking the Rotherham, Priestly and Light entertainment sex abuse scandals. When people have a position of power then the temptation is there to abuse it.BannedInParis said:
There's a bit that follows on:Grandiose said:Rape and Rotherham
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/07/opinion/sunday/ross-douthat-rape-and-rotherham.html?_r=1
"The crucial issue in both [clerical abuse and Rotherham scandals] isn’t some problem that’s exclusive to traditionalism or progressivism. Rather, it’s the protean nature of power and exploitation, and the way that very different forms of willful blindness can combine to frustrate justice. So instead of looking for ideological vindication in these stories, it’s better to draw a general lesson. Show me what a culture values, prizes, puts on a pedestal, and I’ll tell you who is likely to get away with rape."
Via Guido via ConHome... said:And in Rotherham, it meant men whose ethnic and religious background made them seem politically untouchable, and whose victims belonged to a class that both liberal and conservative elements in British society regard with condescension or contempt.
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I understand that the trade goods on offer by the Scots to the locals at Darien were particularly suited to northern climes (remember this was at a time when the Thames had frozen over only a few decades previously) and it was still not particularly warm. Take a look at paintings from that period to see what clothing was being worn in Europe.Alanbrooke said:
plus ca changePeter_the_Punter said:@JonathanD
"There were English threats and refusals to trade but it was the Spanish who seem to be the main cause of Darien's downfall. "
That's what the b*stard English historians say!!!
Seriously, I always thought the main cause of Darien's downfall was the half-arsed nature of the project itself.
can't see the Spanish being overkeen to help iScotland
In a tropical climate, woolen clothing and fabrics as trade and barter items were not a very good idea. The market would have been, er! limited.
Modesty and fashion also caused a help in the downfall, because, quite simply, and unfortunately stupidly, the Scots wore what they would normally have worn everyday in Scotland. As I mentioned, the weather in Scotland was not particularly warm, so personal hygiene as in daily baths, washing and cleaning clothes was not considered a priority. Result: cholera and possibly typhus, malaria etc.etc..
Looking at this version, the Spanish would have been more interested in destroying a probable health hazard to the area rather than worrying about a possible trading competitor. They had lots of experience, hard won to be sure.
So this was the Scot's version of the now infamous 1800's South Sea Bubble.
From my understanding, in was not just the rich and well off who invested in Darien, it was anybody who had any money. Shares were broken down into tenths, hundredths and thousandths. The share value was ramped up, up and up. People were taking out loans to buy shares, mortgaging property and belongings. Cities, towns villages and hamlets were all involved in the collective madness. After all this was a no brainer, this was going to make everybody rich.
Er! Yes! Now where have I heard something similar recently.
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What a great way to build a nation; write off all the people who disagree with you!malcolmg said:
70% of a few hundred is not a lot. It will be won in the populated parts of the country.Unionist1707 said:
It certainly bodes well for the weekend's canvassing; I wonder what the differential turnout is between the council areas in Scotland for Westminster and Holyrood elections? It could be significant for the final result.Sean_F said:
That's a hefty margin, but one would expect such a margin from that region.Pong said:Comres Borders poll apparently
Yes 33 / No 67
previously yes 30 / no 70
If they're that unimportant, presumably you'd be happy for them to remain in the UK if there's a yes vote?0 -
Hills were running at 95% for YESPong said:Missed this tweet from shadsy;
93% of #indyref stakes today have been for NO. Huge turnaround. http://ow.ly/BnBol pic.twitter.com/S44eOuMydl
I would love to know what the scotland breakdown was.0 -
get up off your belly and grow a pairEdin_Rokz said:
I understand that the trade goods on offer by the Scots to the locals at Darien were particularly suited to northern climes (remember this was at a time when the Thames had frozen over only a few decades previously) and it was still not particularly warm. Take a look at paintings from that period to see what clothing was being worn in Europe.Alanbrooke said:
plus ca changePeter_the_Punter said:@JonathanD
"There were English threats and refusals to trade but it was the Spanish who seem to be the main cause of Darien's downfall. "
That's what the b*stard English historians say!!!
Seriously, I always thought the main cause of Darien's downfall was the half-arsed nature of the project itself.
can't see the Spanish being overkeen to help iScotland
In a tropical climate, woolen clothing and fabrics as trade and barter items were not a very good idea. The market would have been, er! limited.
Modesty and fashion also caused a help in the downfall, because, quite simply, and unfortunately stupidly, the Scots wore what they would normally have worn everyday in Scotland. As I mentioned, the weather in Scotland was not particularly warm, so personal hygiene as in daily baths, washing and cleaning clothes was not considered a priority. Result: cholera and possibly typhus, malaria etc.etc..
Looking at this version, the Spanish would have been more interested in destroying a probable health hazard to the area rather than worrying about a possible trading competitor. They had lots of experience, hard won to be sure.
So this was the Scot's version of the now infamous 1800's South Sea Bubble.
From my understanding, in was not just the rich and well off who invested in Darien, it was anybody who had any money. Shares were broken down into tenths, hundredths and thousandths. The share value was ramped up, up and up. People were taking out loans to buy shares, mortgaging property and belongings. Cities, towns villages and hamlets were all involved in the collective madness. After all this was a no brainer, this was going to make everybody rich.
Er! Yes! Now where have I heard something similar recently.0 -
If we'd had 55 polls this year and 54 showed a Yes vote, the outcome wouldn't be in doubt. I'm not sure why it's any different with 54 polls showing No and 1 Yes. Obviously there is such a thing as momentum, but even so you need a few more polls showing Yes to think it might happen IMO.0
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Ruth is almost as bad as Jaylo KrankieJBriskin said:
Galloway!!! Cool. I am much more likely to watch now. Nae that keen or Ruth or Patrick though. We like Nicola though because she has clearly lost her passion for the cause. Pragmatic politician innit.malcolmg said:
Briskin, done today , shown tonight. Galloway with fedora made a tit of himself as usual. The teenagers were boaking everywhere. Nearly everybody converted to YES, the thick BT turnip tried his SNP = NAZI guff as usual. Deranged halfwit. Teamed up with Ruth Davidson , what a team , up against Nicola and Patrick so most unfair.JBriskin said:
It's already been recorded?? George who?malcolmg said:Hear George did well for BT at the BBC BigBig Debate , him and the Tory sockpuppet went down a treat.
And why's it called the BigBigDebate?? It's only an hour long...
PS: Think it is down to normal friday BigDebate with Brian Taylor , as this one is 8000 teenagers it is a bit bigger.0 -
Even though I'm a No supporter not sure that represents intelligent bettingPong said:Missed this tweet from shadsy;
93% of #indyref stakes today have been for NO. Huge turnaround. http://ow.ly/BnBol pic.twitter.com/S44eOuMydl
I would love to know what the scotland breakdown was.0 -
LOL, draw your petted lip in , you will get a few sheep to support you no doubt. If they want to be in the UK they will need to emigrate.Unionist1707 said:
What a great way to build a nation; write off all the people who disagree with you!malcolmg said:
70% of a few hundred is not a lot. It will be won in the populated parts of the country.Unionist1707 said:
It certainly bodes well for the weekend's canvassing; I wonder what the differential turnout is between the council areas in Scotland for Westminster and Holyrood elections? It could be significant for the final result.Sean_F said:
That's a hefty margin, but one would expect such a margin from that region.Pong said:Comres Borders poll apparently
Yes 33 / No 67
previously yes 30 / no 70
If they're that unimportant, presumably you'd be happy for them to remain in the UK if there's a yes vote?
PS: you are obviously not much at the counting game, you can drive for hours in the borders and all you see are sheep. Sheep don't have a vote, so whilst their votes count it is very unlikely that it will hinge on the Borders.0 -
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YES voters do not have that problem RobRobC said:0 -
I know dozens if not hundreds of trader and money managers and apart from 3 that view is universal. The capital flight (including human capital) would be spectacular and result not that far off what happens in Argentina every so often.Theuniondivvie said:
Good anecdote.Alanbrooke said:VOX POP
I had a delightfully liquid lunch in Brum today with 3 people all fairly well placed in the financial community and one with a subsid in Scotland. Straw poll said :
1. astonishment that Scots have suddenly lost their senses and take Salmond at face value
2. If a Yes , Fk 'em and a hard negotiation, no CU, no Mr nice guy, protect our interests
3. If No, sod Devo Max if we can't get a similar deal
4. Any Scot imagining no consequences will have a shock when money moves south and anybody leaving cash in iScotland is mad. Scoittish notes will be as welcome as ebola
5. Really , aside from just hating the English, have Scots really lost their marbles ?
Surprisingly there is general awe for Salmond's answer to the currency question though - I really believe that something there is almost zero chance of is going to happen. Makes Erdogan and Fernandez-Kirchner look like amateurs. The awe inspiring thing is that an awful lot of otherwise pretty sensible people obviously believe him.0 -
Opening up about one of your hobbies?malcolmg said:Unionist1707 said:
What a great way to build a nation; write off all the people who disagree with you!malcolmg said:
70% of a few hundred is not a lot. It will be won in the populated parts of the country.Unionist1707 said:
It certainly bodes well for the weekend's canvassing; I wonder what the differential turnout is between the council areas in Scotland for Westminster and Holyrood elections? It could be significant for the final result.Sean_F said:
That's a hefty margin, but one would expect such a margin from that region.Pong said:Comres Borders poll apparently
Yes 33 / No 67
previously yes 30 / no 70
If they're that unimportant, presumably you'd be happy for them to remain in the UK if there's a yes vote?
you can drive for hours in the borders and all you see are sheep.0 -
LOL, we are getting the fairy stories todayJonWC said:
I know dozens if not hundreds of trader and money managers and apart from 3 that view is universal. The capital flight (including human capital) would be spectacular and result not that far off what happens in Argentina every so often.Theuniondivvie said:
Good anecdote.Alanbrooke said:VOX POP
I had a delightfully liquid lunch in Brum today with 3 people all fairly well placed in the financial community and one with a subsid in Scotland. Straw poll said :
1. astonishment that Scots have suddenly lost their senses and take Salmond at face value
2. If a Yes , Fk 'em and a hard negotiation, no CU, no Mr nice guy, protect our interests
3. If No, sod Devo Max if we can't get a similar deal
4. Any Scot imagining no consequences will have a shock when money moves south and anybody leaving cash in iScotland is mad. Scoittish notes will be as welcome as ebola
5. Really , aside from just hating the English, have Scots really lost their marbles ?
Surprisingly there is general awe for Salmond's answer to the currency question though - I really believe that something there is almost zero chance of is going to happen. Makes Erdogan and Fernandez-Kirchner look like amateurs. The awe inspiring thing is that an awful lot of otherwise pretty sensible people obviously believe him.0 -
green cheese again, sad loser with face stuck to the windowTheWatcher said:
Presumably that's your hobby.malcolmg said:Unionist1707 said:
What a great way to build a nation; write off all the people who disagree with you!malcolmg said:
70% of a few hundred is not a lot. It will be won in the populated parts of the country.Unionist1707 said:
It certainly bodes well for the weekend's canvassing; I wonder what the differential turnout is between the council areas in Scotland for Westminster and Holyrood elections? It could be significant for the final result.Sean_F said:
That's a hefty margin, but one would expect such a margin from that region.Pong said:Comres Borders poll apparently
Yes 33 / No 67
previously yes 30 / no 70
If they're that unimportant, presumably you'd be happy for them to remain in the UK if there's a yes vote?
you can drive for hours in the borders and all you see are sheep.0 -
Could this be seen as a 'Ratner Moment' or 'Sheffield Arena Moment'?Flightpath said:
thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/scotland/referendum/article4203540.ecePlato said:I missed it on the telly - sounds a hoot.
Hosting a Yes Scotland conference for the international media in Edinburgh, he succeeded in taking just 12 questions from overseas journalists over the course of 90 minutes.
Instead, to frequent applause from about 50 supporters, he repeatedly faced down questions about the economics of independence, dismissing any suggestion that a decision by RBS to “re-domicile” its headquarters in London would impact on taxpayers in Scotland. ..
“Corporation tax, does not depend on registered office, but on economic activity.” He later accused Mr Robinson of heckling, was applauded again when mocked the BBC’s “impartial role as a public sector broadcaster”.
I only ask as I did not see it. It sounds incredibly crass but thta might go down well in some quarters. Maybe it will set a new trend - a Salmond Moment'?
Here's the part that was being tweeted about as the rudest most disrespecful treatment of a journalist since records began
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHmLb-RIbrM0 -
Are you into sheep dogging too?malcolmg said:
sad loser with face stuck to the windowTheWatcher said:
Presumably that's your hobby.malcolmg said:Unionist1707 said:
What a great way to build a nation; write off all the people who disagree with you!malcolmg said:
70% of a few hundred is not a lot. It will be won in the populated parts of the country.Unionist1707 said:
It certainly bodes well for the weekend's canvassing; I wonder what the differential turnout is between the council areas in Scotland for Westminster and Holyrood elections? It could be significant for the final result.Sean_F said:
That's a hefty margin, but one would expect such a margin from that region.Pong said:Comres Borders poll apparently
Yes 33 / No 67
previously yes 30 / no 70
If they're that unimportant, presumably you'd be happy for them to remain in the UK if there's a yes vote?
you can drive for hours in the borders and all you see are sheep.0 -
In a very small way it makes me a little sorry that we are probably not going to get to see the experiment conducted - much as I love Scotland I find the Scottish Nationalists repulsive and would quite like them to get what they deserve.malcolmg said:
LOL, we are getting the fairy stories todayJonWC said:
I know dozens if not hundreds of trader and money managers and apart from 3 that view is universal. The capital flight (including human capital) would be spectacular and result not that far off what happens in Argentina every so often.Theuniondivvie said:
Good anecdote.Alanbrooke said:VOX POP
I had a delightfully liquid lunch in Brum today with 3 people all fairly well placed in the financial community and one with a subsid in Scotland. Straw poll said :
1. astonishment that Scots have suddenly lost their senses and take Salmond at face value
2. If a Yes , Fk 'em and a hard negotiation, no CU, no Mr nice guy, protect our interests
3. If No, sod Devo Max if we can't get a similar deal
4. Any Scot imagining no consequences will have a shock when money moves south and anybody leaving cash in iScotland is mad. Scoittish notes will be as welcome as ebola
5. Really , aside from just hating the English, have Scots really lost their marbles ?
Surprisingly there is general awe for Salmond's answer to the currency question though - I really believe that something there is almost zero chance of is going to happen. Makes Erdogan and Fernandez-Kirchner look like amateurs. The awe inspiring thing is that an awful lot of otherwise pretty sensible people obviously believe him.0 -
Shetlands don't count either I suppose.malcolmg said:
LOL, draw your petted lip in , you will get a few sheep to support you no doubt. If they want to be in the UK they will need to emigrate.Unionist1707 said:
What a great way to build a nation; write off all the people who disagree with you!malcolmg said:
70% of a few hundred is not a lot. It will be won in the populated parts of the country.Unionist1707 said:
It certainly bodes well for the weekend's canvassing; I wonder what the differential turnout is between the council areas in Scotland for Westminster and Holyrood elections? It could be significant for the final result.Sean_F said:
That's a hefty margin, but one would expect such a margin from that region.Pong said:Comres Borders poll apparently
Yes 33 / No 67
previously yes 30 / no 70
If they're that unimportant, presumably you'd be happy for them to remain in the UK if there's a yes vote?
PS: you are obviously not much at the counting game, you can drive for hours in the borders and all you see are sheep. Sheep don't have a vote, so whilst their votes count it is very unlikely that it will hinge on the Borders.0 -
Here's the part that was being tweeted about as the rudest most disrespecful treatment of a journalist since records beganAlistair said:
Could this be seen as a 'Ratner Moment' or 'Sheffield Arena Moment'?Flightpath said:
thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/scotland/referendum/article4203540.ecePlato said:I missed it on the telly - sounds a hoot.
Hosting a Yes Scotland conference for the international media in Edinburgh, he succeeded in taking just 12 questions from overseas journalists over the course of 90 minutes.
Instead, to frequent applause from about 50 supporters, he repeatedly faced down questions about the economics of independence, dismissing any suggestion that a decision by RBS to “re-domicile” its headquarters in London would impact on taxpayers in Scotland. ..
“Corporation tax, does not depend on registered office, but on economic activity.” He later accused Mr Robinson of heckling, was applauded again when mocked the BBC’s “impartial role as a public sector broadcaster”.
I only ask as I did not see it. It sounds incredibly crass but thta might go down well in some quarters. Maybe it will set a new trend - a Salmond Moment'?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHmLb-RIbrM
Creepy BBC journalist ripped a new erchie,0 -
Silly boy , everybody counts , you are not bright enough to understand. Statistically they will have a lesser impact on the result than say Glasgow but are still very valuable and will be a key part of Scotland after a YES vote even if they misguidedly voted no. Do try to keep up and not try to put lies in my mouth.Flightpath said:
Shetlands don't count either I suppose.malcolmg said:
LOL, draw your petted lip in , you will get a few sheep to support you no doubt. If they want to be in the UK they will need to emigrate.Unionist1707 said:
What a great way to build a nation; write off all the people who disagree with you!malcolmg said:
70% of a few hundred is not a lot. It will be won in the populated parts of the country.Unionist1707 said:
It certainly bodes well for the weekend's canvassing; I wonder what the differential turnout is between the council areas in Scotland for Westminster and Holyrood elections? It could be significant for the final result.Sean_F said:
That's a hefty margin, but one would expect such a margin from that region.Pong said:Comres Borders poll apparently
Yes 33 / No 67
previously yes 30 / no 70
If they're that unimportant, presumably you'd be happy for them to remain in the UK if there's a yes vote?
PS: you are obviously not much at the counting game, you can drive for hours in the borders and all you see are sheep. Sheep don't have a vote, so whilst their votes count it is very unlikely that it will hinge on the Borders.0 -
@GordonAikman: "critical importance...Gogarburn will continue to be [RBS] group headquarters...for future of Scottish economy" — Salmond, Feb 2009 #indyref
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@anntreneman: Also I was fascinated by the Yes team's idea of a press conference: heckle questions you don't like and assume you already know the truthAlistair said:
Here's the part that was being tweeted about as the rudest most disrespecful treatment of a journalist since records began0 -
Rupe will know that he will never have the same influence on Labour or the Tories again - they realize now that he and his organization are too much trouble. Rupe must be eyeing up Salmond as a possible future stooge - a vassal prince of a small nation which Rupe can lord over with impunity.bigjohnowls said:0 -
Uncannily quiet on Betfair's main Yes/No Indy market right now ..... barely any trades going through at all. Maybe everyone's waiting for the polls, but by then it's too late folks!0
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Just been talking with a close relative who, although not a Scottish resident, has a daughter, son-in-law and grandchildren who are.
Although sympathetic to SNP ... son-in-law is usually an SNP voter......., they can't stand Salmond. And don't believe him, either.
So will, apparently vote NO.
Somewhat to my surprise from what they have said earlier!0 -
I'm going to settle down and watch as English as English can be Mary Berry on "Who do you think you are" for the next hour.
(It'll probably turn out she's 3/8ths Russian!)0
