My feeling on this from the start is that Boris will stay because - when it really comes down to it - there is no credible replacement for Boris. This is not so much to do with the failings of Sunak and others, it is because what Boris achieved in 2019 was unique and historic, and came against a background of existential crisis for the tories. My feeling is that it will be the voters who will unseat Boris in the next general election, not Conservative MPs or the Conservative party.
My feeling on this from the start is that Boris will stay because - when it really comes down to it - there is no credible replacement for Boris. This is not so much to do with the failings of Sunak and others, it is because what Boris achieved in 2019 was unique and historic, and came against a background of existential crisis for the tories. My feeling is that it will be the voters who will unseat Boris in the next general election, not Conservative MPs or the Conservative party.
I would enjoy the chance to vote him out.
But I would trade that pleasure for a government not led by a self confessed liar and criminal with the intellectual capacity of a roast potato, the competency of dipsomaniac in the last stages before death and the appearance of tramp who has been dragged backwards through a hedge, right now.
My feeling on this from the start is that Boris will stay because - when it really comes down to it - there is no credible replacement for Boris. This is not so much to do with the failings of Sunak and others, it is because what Boris achieved in 2019 was unique and historic, and came against a background of existential crisis for the tories. My feeling is that it will be the voters who will unseat Boris in the next general election, not Conservative MPs or the Conservative party.
I would enjoy the chance to vote him out.
But I would trade that pleasure for a government not led by a self confessed liar and criminal with the intellectual capacity of a roast potato, the competency of dipsomaniac in the last stages before death and the appearance of tramp who has been dragged backwards through a hedge, right now.
For some reason your juxtaposition of Boris Johnson and a potato made me think of this fat overgrown baby and potatoes….
Off topic, but for anyone interested in mad law that rips up ancient principles about property rights the building safety bill makes for interesting reading.
In particular, there are amendments bought forward at a late stage in the bill (in typical style to avoid scrutiny) whereby the government are seeking to take a general power of prohibition to prevent developers from implementing planning permissions. This power could be exercised without any need to compensate developers. So - as a hypothetical example - if Taylor Wimpey or Berkeley Homes fell out with the government for any reason, the government could prevent them from completing any developments they are currently working on, which would have the effect of immediate bankruptcy and ruin.
It is total banana republic stuff and very dangerous indeed. Reminds me a bit of the fate of the farming industry in Zimbabwe.
Remarkable stasis in news for the last don't know how long. There have been (apart from weather and royals) two big stories: Russia keeping on not invading Ukraine and Boris keeping on not being VONCed. Does anyone else find the vacuum strange? And what will end it?
Remarkable stasis in news for the last don't know how long. There have been (apart from weather and royals) two big stories: Russia keeping on not invading Ukraine and Boris keeping on not being VONCed. Does anyone else find the vacuum strange? And what will end it?
Hopefully Russia withdrawing all its soldiers and Johnson losing a VONC.
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Off topic, but for anyone interested in mad law that rips up ancient principles about property rights the building safety bill makes for interesting reading.
In particular, there are amendments bought forward at a late stage in the bill (in typical style to avoid scrutiny) whereby the government are seeking to take a general power of prohibition to prevent developers from implementing planning permissions. This power could be exercised without any need to compensate developers. So - as a hypothetical example - if Taylor Wimpey or Berkeley Homes fell out with the government for any reason, the government could prevent them from completing any developments they are currently working on, which would have the effect of immediate bankruptcy and ruin.
It is total banana republic stuff and very dangerous indeed. Reminds me a bit of the fate of the farming industry in Zimbabwe.
They did say they were going to Take Back Control.
(I jest, but not by much. Gove, in particular, is someone who has interesting ideas that need massive central direction to have any hope of working. Same thinking was behind Dom's Mission Control- remember that? Of course they want the power of life or death over businesses.)
Remarkable stasis in news for the last don't know how long. There have been (apart from weather and royals) two big stories: Russia keeping on not invading Ukraine and Boris keeping on not being VONCed. Does anyone else find the vacuum strange? And what will end it?
It’s the circle of life….
Boris Johnson - likes a party with booze and being photographed in military hardware.
Boris Yeltsin - crazy Russian who liked a party with booze and being photographed in military hardware.
Rasputin - crazy Russian who liked a party and brought down the status quo in Russia
Vladimir Putin - crazy Russian who will bring down the status quo in Russia.
And back to
Boris Johnson - Staus Quo is his moral compass:
Whatever you want Whatever you like Whatever you say You pay your money You take your choice Whatever you need Whatever you use Whatever you win Whatever you lose
Remarkable stasis in news for the last don't know how long. There have been (apart from weather and royals) two big stories: Russia keeping on not invading Ukraine and Boris keeping on not being VONCed. Does anyone else find the vacuum strange? And what will end it?
We seem to have had a lot fewer comments banging on about the US Navy discovering UFOs and/or the dangerous wokeness of the National Trust.
So I'll vote for little green drones floating over Bodiam Castle.
Remarkable stasis in news for the last don't know how long. There have been (apart from weather and royals) two big stories: Russia keeping on not invading Ukraine and Boris keeping on not being VONCed. Does anyone else find the vacuum strange? And what will end it?
This is the normal state of affairs. Events NORMALLY take their sweet time.
It feels longer the more you refresh twitter. And that's the secret to long life. Doomscroll twitter every waking hour, so a day feels like a lifetime.
Remarkable stasis in news for the last don't know how long. There have been (apart from weather and royals) two big stories: Russia keeping on not invading Ukraine and Boris keeping on not being VONCed. Does anyone else find the vacuum strange? And what will end it?
The DUP recently collapsed power-sharing in Northern Ireland. That was a pretty big story.
There's also the developing inflation crisis.
I feel like there's been quite a lot of newsnow that Covid isn't squashing everything.
💰 Appointed Ben Elliot Co-Chair of the Conservative Party 💰 Sanctioned his creation of a secret club of super-rich donors 💰 Allowed his party to accept millions of pounds of Russian-linked cash
My feeling on this from the start is that Boris will stay because - when it really comes down to it - there is no credible replacement for Boris. This is not so much to do with the failings of Sunak and others, it is because what Boris achieved in 2019 was unique and historic, and came against a background of existential crisis for the tories. My feeling is that it will be the voters who will unseat Boris in the next general election, not Conservative MPs or the Conservative party.
The leader that would really help the Conservative the most isn't currently available because he's been suspended by the PLP.
Bozo couldn’t be happier that the news is focused on Ukraine . Events have come to his aid and he must be hoping this rumbles on for months especially if that coincides with the Met finishing their investigation and Sue Gray report part 2 .
I’m sure the bubbly will be popped if Putin invades and the clown can do his Churchill impression !
Remarkable stasis in news for the last don't know how long. There have been (apart from weather and royals) two big stories: Russia keeping on not invading Ukraine and Boris keeping on not being VONCed. Does anyone else find the vacuum strange? And what will end it?
We seem to have had a lot fewer comments banging on about the US Navy discovering UFOs and/or the dangerous wokeness of the National Trust.
So I'll vote for little green drones floating over Bodiam Castle.
It's patently obvious that the US and Russia have conjured up this crisis in order to distract the population from aliens.
Remarkable stasis in news for the last don't know how long. There have been (apart from weather and royals) two big stories: Russia keeping on not invading Ukraine and Boris keeping on not being VONCed. Does anyone else find the vacuum strange? And what will end it?
Remarkable stasis in news for the last don't know how long. There have been (apart from weather and royals) two big stories: Russia keeping on not invading Ukraine and Boris keeping on not being VONCed. Does anyone else find the vacuum strange? And what will end it?
It’s the circle of life….
Boris Johnson - likes a party with booze and being photographed in military hardware.
Boris Yeltsin - crazy Russian who liked a party with booze and being photographed in military hardware.
Rasputin - crazy Russian who liked a party and brought down the status quo in Russia
Vladimir Putin - crazy Russian who will bring down the status quo in Russia.
And back to
Boris Johnson - Staus Quo is his moral compass:
Whatever you want Whatever you like Whatever you say You pay your money You take your choice Whatever you need Whatever you use Whatever you win Whatever you lose
Rasputin? He was a staunch defender of the status quo. Fatherland and Faith. He revered the Romanovs. He was only interested in groping and raping women, not in upending any social structures.
On topic. Sunak bottled it. The goal was gaping, and he took it to the corner flag. A walk by one of his Cabinet allies and it would have been all over. That time has passed. Winter is coming.
Bozo couldn’t be happier that the news is focused on Ukraine . Events have come to his aid and he must be hoping this rumbles on for months especially if that coincides with the Met finishing their investigation and Sue Gray report part 2 .
I’m sure the bubbly will be popped if Putin invades and the clown can do his Churchill impression !
If you think anyone will open bubbly if Putin invades Russia then you are being flippant for the sake of it
It would be a disaster for Europe and its peoples with unimaginable consequences
On topic. Sunak bottled it. The goal was gaping, and he took it to the corner flag. A walk by one of his Cabinet allies and it would have been all over. That time has passed. Winter is coming.
I do not subscribe to the view Rishi has lost it
If and when Boris goes he will be one of those going forward and his time will depend on his public performances in the hustings and how others perform
At this moment in time I have no idea who the next PM will be or when
💰 Appointed Ben Elliot Co-Chair of the Conservative Party 💰 Sanctioned his creation of a secret club of super-rich donors 💰 Allowed his party to accept millions of pounds of Russian-linked cash
On topic. Sunak bottled it. The goal was gaping, and he took it to the corner flag. A walk by one of his Cabinet allies and it would have been all over. That time has passed. Winter is coming.
I do not subscribe to the view Rishi has lost it
If and when Boris goes he will be one of those going forward and his time will depend on his public performances in the hustings and how others perform
At this moment in time I have no idea who the next PM will be or when
You may be correct. But a few weeks ago he'd have walked it, if only he'd pushed at an open door. Now there probably isn't a vacancy for who knows how long. Could be 7 years.
On topic. Sunak bottled it. The goal was gaping, and he took it to the corner flag. A walk by one of his Cabinet allies and it would have been all over. That time has passed. Winter is coming.
Who are his cabinet allies, and why would one of them resigning be better than him resigning?
I think this is pb at work. I really like Penny which for a leftie like me is saying something.
And that's why I don't think she will get it. She's far too pleasant. Too much in touch with the common people. Too with it. Too savvy.
This isn't me being snide. It's because the people who elect the next Conservative leader are 1. Tory MPs and 2. Conservative Members.
If it was the public, or pb.com, very different story.
Oh and tory MPs are pretty misogynistic. After what they deem the nightmare of Theresa May (I thought she was okay) I don't believe they will elect another woman for a long time.
Frankly, you have no idea about the Conservative Party! We had a woman as Conservative leader in 1975. 47 years on, after two, the Labour Party still hasn't had one. You really want to talk misogyny in political parties?
Not only have they not had one, but no woman has ever beaten any man in any Labour leadership election.
It seems scarcely believable when put that way.
Not when you look at the calibre of those involved.
As a woman let me be the first to say that this shouldn't be about tokenism and I don't think it's the place of men to call out misogynism.
I think Rachel Reeves looks a really good prospect. I personally really like Angela Rayner but she would be too gobby for the right wing media.
Penny Mordaunt would make a great Labour leader in the Keir Starmer real politik.
I found this on Penny Mordaunt "Passionate Brexiteer Mordaunt has committed one major political gaffe, when she wrongly claimed Britain would not be able to veto Turkey joining the EU, which got her a furious dressing-down from then boss Mr Cameron".
We need another lying Prime Minister like a hole in the head
On topic. Sunak bottled it. The goal was gaping, and he took it to the corner flag. A walk by one of his Cabinet allies and it would have been all over. That time has passed. Winter is coming.
I do not subscribe to the view Rishi has lost it
If and when Boris goes he will be one of those going forward and his time will depend on his public performances in the hustings and how others perform
At this moment in time I have no idea who the next PM will be or when
You may be correct. But a few weeks ago he'd have walked it. Now there probably isn't a vacancy for who knows how long. Could be 7 years.
It is becoming rather surreal but 7 years of @Scott_xP posts on here would be hilarious
I genuinely have no idea where this is going but Ukraine is a very worrying situation for all of us
If Boris goes, if Tory MPs put Hunt against Sunak in the final 2, Sunak should win comfortably.
If they put Truss against Sunak though it could go either way with the Tory membership
I have backed Rishi all along but to be honest I am content to accept the decision in the first instance of the two going forward via the mps, then the members vote which of course I will not have this time
I think this is pb at work. I really like Penny which for a leftie like me is saying something.
And that's why I don't think she will get it. She's far too pleasant. Too much in touch with the common people. Too with it. Too savvy.
This isn't me being snide. It's because the people who elect the next Conservative leader are 1. Tory MPs and 2. Conservative Members.
If it was the public, or pb.com, very different story.
Oh and tory MPs are pretty misogynistic. After what they deem the nightmare of Theresa May (I thought she was okay) I don't believe they will elect another woman for a long time.
Frankly, you have no idea about the Conservative Party! We had a woman as Conservative leader in 1975. 47 years on, after two, the Labour Party still hasn't had one. You really want to talk misogyny in political parties?
Not only have they not had one, but no woman has ever beaten any man in any Labour leadership election.
It seems scarcely believable when put that way.
Not when you look at the calibre of those involved.
As a woman let me be the first to say that this shouldn't be about tokenism and I don't think it's the place of men to call out misogynism.
I think Rachel Reeves looks a really good prospect. I personally really like Angela Rayner but she would be too gobby for the right wing media.
Penny Mordaunt would make a great Labour leader in the Keir Starmer real politik.
I found this on Penny Mordaunt "Passionate Brexiteer Mordaunt has committed one major political gaffe, when she wrongly claimed Britain would not be able to veto Turkey joining the EU, which got her a furious dressing-down from then boss Mr Cameron".
We need another lying Prime Minister like a hole in the head
We will get the PM the public decide on in 24 and you may need to steal yourself that you may not like the decision of the British people, yet again
Another country due to vote later this year (October) is Latvia.
Latvian politics looks complicated - the Latvian Parliament is as we all know called the Saeima and has 100 seats.
The current Government is a coalition of four parties and has 46 seats. The New Conservatives (JKP) have 15, Development (AP!) - a liberal/centrist bloc of three parties has 12. The right-wing populist National Alliance (NA) has 11 and the centre-right New Unity (JV) has 8 seats.
They are supported by a bloc of 9 Independents including members of New Unity, New Conservatives and the National Alliance who for various reasons don't caucus with the rest of their parties.
The opposition consists of Harmony (the social democratic party) with 18, the Union of Greens and Farmers (10) and assorted independents (17).
If you think that's complicated...
The governing coalition parties won 43.1% of the vote in 2018 but are now on 36.3% according to the latest poll.
Harmony is down a little but ZZS (the Union of Greens and Farmers) is up four and a half points.
There are any number of other parties all trying to get above the 5% threshold for entry to the Saeima. The Progressives (P) are polling at 5.7% (+3.1) while the Latvian Russian Union (LKS) is at 5.1%.
The seismic change in the polling has been the collapse of the New Conservatives (JKP) who are down to just 4.9% (-8.7) and risk losing all their 15 seats. Their loss has been New Unity's gain - they are up to 13.1% (+6.4)primarily because their candidate, Arturs Karins, is the Prime Minister. Despite the poor polling of New Unity in the 2018 election, Karins emerged as a compromise candidate and became Prime Minister in April 2019.
Complicated - well, we've got nearly eight months to figure it out....
If Boris goes, if Tory MPs put Hunt against Sunak in the final 2, Sunak should win comfortably.
If they put Truss against Sunak though it could go either way with the Tory membership
I suppose the obvious question is how would you vote in a hypothetical leadership election between Sunak and Truss? Is there an opportunity for members to listen to the views of the competing candidates via any form of hustings or would it simply be each candidate communicating directly with Party members?
If Boris goes, if Tory MPs put Hunt against Sunak in the final 2, Sunak should win comfortably.
If they put Truss against Sunak though it could go either way with the Tory membership
I suppose the obvious question is how would you vote in a hypothetical leadership election between Sunak and Truss? Is there an opportunity for members to listen to the views of the competing candidates via any form of hustings or would it simply be each candidate communicating directly with Party members?
Reposting that Bastani dumbo Scottish tweet day comes round earlier every year.
He was leader wasn’t he? There have been so many and all pretty anonymous.
I expect the next Scottish election results, both Holyrood and Westminster, to not be dissimilar to that.
That would be a ~14 point drop for the SNP. Seems unlikely.
Pensions.....
Ex Labour voters going back to Labour to get the Tories out (not realising it won’t make a difference to the number of non Tory seats, but doing what BBC Scotland suggest they do).
If Boris goes, if Tory MPs put Hunt against Sunak in the final 2, Sunak should win comfortably.
If they put Truss against Sunak though it could go either way with the Tory membership
I have backed Rishi all along but to be honest I am content to accept the decision in the first instance of the two going forward via the mps, then the members vote which of course I will not have this time
It would be the second occasion that MPs have deferred the choice of PM to an outside selectorate. The first being choosing Johnson himself. People make the point that having the Brexit referendum was parliamentary self-immolation well surely so is this.
Remarkable stasis in news for the last don't know how long. There have been (apart from weather and royals) two big stories: Russia keeping on not invading Ukraine and Boris keeping on not being VONCed. Does anyone else find the vacuum strange? And what will end it?
We seem to have had a lot fewer comments banging on about the US Navy discovering UFOs and/or the dangerous wokeness of the National Trust.
So I'll vote for little green drones floating over Bodiam Castle.
It's patently obvious that the US and Russia have conjured up this crisis in order to distract the population from aliens.
If Boris goes, if Tory MPs put Hunt against Sunak in the final 2, Sunak should win comfortably.
If they put Truss against Sunak though it could go either way with the Tory membership
I suppose the obvious question is how would you vote in a hypothetical leadership election between Sunak and Truss? Is there an opportunity for members to listen to the views of the competing candidates via any form of hustings or would it simply be each candidate communicating directly with Party members?
Sunak vs Truss. The battle of the personal photographers in the first Social Media leadership contest. We're fucked.
Reposting that Bastani dumbo Scottish tweet day comes round earlier every year.
He was leader wasn’t he? There have been so many and all pretty anonymous.
I expect the next Scottish election results, both Holyrood and Westminster, to not be dissimilar to that.
That would be a ~14 point drop for the SNP. Seems unlikely.
Pensions.....
The SNP got 40% of the list vote last year so they could drop to 35% by 2026 even if they still manage 40%+ at the next GE although I'm pretty sure the Greens would be the major beneficiary on the list. That said the SNP could still lose a handful of constituency seats to Scon and Slab so SNP+Green could still lose their combined majority.
Not sure the taxpayer/lottery funding of winter sports has been worth it given the performance of team GB in Beijing. Just send a curling team next time .The nation is going to have to start saving money sometime and a cut here cannto make anything worse can it
If Boris goes, if Tory MPs put Hunt against Sunak in the final 2, Sunak should win comfortably.
If they put Truss against Sunak though it could go either way with the Tory membership
I suppose the obvious question is how would you vote in a hypothetical leadership election between Sunak and Truss? Is there an opportunity for members to listen to the views of the competing candidates via any form of hustings or would it simply be each candidate communicating directly with Party members?
There would be hustings as there was for Hunt v Boris and Davis v Cameron in every UK region. I would vote for Sunak over Truss but I might vote for Hunt over Sunak this time (I voted for Boris over Hunt last time).
Before that I voted for Davis over Cameron and for Clarke over IDS
Not sure the taxpayer/lottery funding of winter sports has been worth it given the performance of team GB in Beijing. Just send a curling team next time .The nation is going to have to start saving money sometime and a cut here cannto make anything worse can it
The alternative seems to be to replace most of the team with a load of Norwegians
I think this is pb at work. I really like Penny which for a leftie like me is saying something.
And that's why I don't think she will get it. She's far too pleasant. Too much in touch with the common people. Too with it. Too savvy.
This isn't me being snide. It's because the people who elect the next Conservative leader are 1. Tory MPs and 2. Conservative Members.
If it was the public, or pb.com, very different story.
Oh and tory MPs are pretty misogynistic. After what they deem the nightmare of Theresa May (I thought she was okay) I don't believe they will elect another woman for a long time.
Frankly, you have no idea about the Conservative Party! We had a woman as Conservative leader in 1975. 47 years on, after two, the Labour Party still hasn't had one. You really want to talk misogyny in political parties?
Not only have they not had one, but no woman has ever beaten any man in any Labour leadership election.
It seems scarcely believable when put that way.
Not when you look at the calibre of those involved.
As a woman let me be the first to say that this shouldn't be about tokenism and I don't think it's the place of men to call out misogynism.
I think Rachel Reeves looks a really good prospect. I personally really like Angela Rayner but she would be too gobby for the right wing media.
Penny Mordaunt would make a great Labour leader in the Keir Starmer real politik.
We need another lying Prime Minister like a hole in the head
I guess that's so, I think we've probably already had a lot more than 5 lying PMs so wouldn't want to push it on the holes.
I see that the end of requiring isolation for the positive has been confirmed for next week.
Less than two months ago when I was proposing we do this soon, it was dismissed by many here as a crazy idea and virtually murdering people because I was willing to let people die.
I think this is pb at work. I really like Penny which for a leftie like me is saying something.
And that's why I don't think she will get it. She's far too pleasant. Too much in touch with the common people. Too with it. Too savvy.
This isn't me being snide. It's because the people who elect the next Conservative leader are 1. Tory MPs and 2. Conservative Members.
If it was the public, or pb.com, very different story.
Oh and tory MPs are pretty misogynistic. After what they deem the nightmare of Theresa May (I thought she was okay) I don't believe they will elect another woman for a long time.
Frankly, you have no idea about the Conservative Party! We had a woman as Conservative leader in 1975. 47 years on, after two, the Labour Party still hasn't had one. You really want to talk misogyny in political parties?
Not only have they not had one, but no woman has ever beaten any man in any Labour leadership election.
It seems scarcely believable when put that way.
Not when you look at the calibre of those involved.
As a woman let me be the first to say that this shouldn't be about tokenism and I don't think it's the place of men to call out misogynism.
I think Rachel Reeves looks a really good prospect. I personally really like Angela Rayner but she would be too gobby for the right wing media.
Penny Mordaunt would make a great Labour leader in the Keir Starmer real politik.
I found this on Penny Mordaunt "Passionate Brexiteer Mordaunt has committed one major political gaffe, when she wrongly claimed Britain would not be able to veto Turkey joining the EU, which got her a furious dressing-down from then boss Mr Cameron".
We need another lying Prime Minister like a hole in the head
Considering Britain was one of the leading countries advocating Turkish accession, its not remotely plausible that Britain would veto Turkey joining after advocating it for a long time period.
That's why the Turkish thing was able to cut through: Cameron was on the record as saying Turkey should join the EU, then suddenly people think Leavers were lying as saying Turkey could. Funny that.
.@thesundaytimes’ scoop reveals Lubov Chernukhin, the wife of Vladimir Chernukhin, the former Russian deputy finance minister under Vladimir Putin, donated almost £2m to the Tories since 2012.
The @Conservatives’ addiction to Russian money is endangering our democracy.
Remarkable stasis in news for the last don't know how long. There have been (apart from weather and royals) two big stories: Russia keeping on not invading Ukraine and Boris keeping on not being VONCed. Does anyone else find the vacuum strange? And what will end it?
We seem to have had a lot fewer comments banging on about the US Navy discovering UFOs and/or the dangerous wokeness of the National Trust.
So I'll vote for little green drones floating over Bodiam Castle.
It's patently obvious that the US and Russia have conjured up this crisis in order to distract the population from aliens.
If Boris goes, if Tory MPs put Hunt against Sunak in the final 2, Sunak should win comfortably.
If they put Truss against Sunak though it could go either way with the Tory membership
I suppose the obvious question is how would you vote in a hypothetical leadership election between Sunak and Truss? Is there an opportunity for members to listen to the views of the competing candidates via any form of hustings or would it simply be each candidate communicating directly with Party members?
Sunak vs Truss. The battle of the personal photographers in the first Social Media leadership contest. We're fucked.
Foxy was beamed up and replaced by someone... something... less willing to talk about aliens. It's something that's well known in certain circles. As soon as someone with credible evidence comes forward they
I think this is pb at work. I really like Penny which for a leftie like me is saying something.
And that's why I don't think she will get it. She's far too pleasant. Too much in touch with the common people. Too with it. Too savvy.
This isn't me being snide. It's because the people who elect the next Conservative leader are 1. Tory MPs and 2. Conservative Members.
If it was the public, or pb.com, very different story.
Oh and tory MPs are pretty misogynistic. After what they deem the nightmare of Theresa May (I thought she was okay) I don't believe they will elect another woman for a long time.
Frankly, you have no idea about the Conservative Party! We had a woman as Conservative leader in 1975. 47 years on, after two, the Labour Party still hasn't had one. You really want to talk misogyny in political parties?
Not only have they not had one, but no woman has ever beaten any man in any Labour leadership election.
It seems scarcely believable when put that way.
Not when you look at the calibre of those involved.
As a woman let me be the first to say that this shouldn't be about tokenism and I don't think it's the place of men to call out misogynism.
I think Rachel Reeves looks a really good prospect. I personally really like Angela Rayner but she would be too gobby for the right wing media.
Penny Mordaunt would make a great Labour leader in the Keir Starmer real politik.
I found this on Penny Mordaunt "Passionate Brexiteer Mordaunt has committed one major political gaffe, when she wrongly claimed Britain would not be able to veto Turkey joining the EU, which got her a furious dressing-down from then boss Mr Cameron".
We need another lying Prime Minister like a hole in the head
Considering Britain was one of the leading countries advocating Turkish accession, its not remotely plausible that Britain would veto Turkey joining after advocating it for a long time period.
That's why the Turkish thing was able to cut through: Cameron was on the record as saying Turkey should join the EU, then suddenly people think Leavers were lying as saying Turkey could. Funny that.
It's all moot. There's no way France would let Turkey in.
.@thesundaytimes’ scoop reveals Lubov Chernukhin, the wife of Vladimir Chernukhin, the former Russian deputy finance minister under Vladimir Putin, donated almost £2m to the Tories since 2012.
The @Conservatives’ addiction to Russian money is endangering our democracy.
That will be British citizen Vladimir Chernukhin you're talking about? Who left Russia and came to the UK and has lived here since 2004?
Are you suggesting we should treat naturalised citizens in this country as second class citizens who're unable to engage in politics? Are you always so anti-immigrants, should all immigrants be treated as scum in your eyes? Should we deport all immigrants just to prevent anyone from engaging in politics?
I think this is pb at work. I really like Penny which for a leftie like me is saying something.
And that's why I don't think she will get it. She's far too pleasant. Too much in touch with the common people. Too with it. Too savvy.
This isn't me being snide. It's because the people who elect the next Conservative leader are 1. Tory MPs and 2. Conservative Members.
If it was the public, or pb.com, very different story.
Oh and tory MPs are pretty misogynistic. After what they deem the nightmare of Theresa May (I thought she was okay) I don't believe they will elect another woman for a long time.
Frankly, you have no idea about the Conservative Party! We had a woman as Conservative leader in 1975. 47 years on, after two, the Labour Party still hasn't had one. You really want to talk misogyny in political parties?
Not only have they not had one, but no woman has ever beaten any man in any Labour leadership election.
It seems scarcely believable when put that way.
Not when you look at the calibre of those involved.
As a woman let me be the first to say that this shouldn't be about tokenism and I don't think it's the place of men to call out misogynism.
I think Rachel Reeves looks a really good prospect. I personally really like Angela Rayner but she would be too gobby for the right wing media.
Penny Mordaunt would make a great Labour leader in the Keir Starmer real politik.
I found this on Penny Mordaunt "Passionate Brexiteer Mordaunt has committed one major political gaffe, when she wrongly claimed Britain would not be able to veto Turkey joining the EU, which got her a furious dressing-down from then boss Mr Cameron".
We need another lying Prime Minister like a hole in the head
Considering Britain was one of the leading countries advocating Turkish accession, its not remotely plausible that Britain would veto Turkey joining after advocating it for a long time period.
That's why the Turkish thing was able to cut through: Cameron was on the record as saying Turkey should join the EU, then suddenly people think Leavers were lying as saying Turkey could. Funny that.
It's all moot. There's no way France would let Turkey in.
Agreed, but that's not what either France or Cameron were saying until Vote Leave weaponised Turkish accession.
If anything it was lies by Cameron etc that Turkey would join the EU (pre-referendum) that came back to bite them in the ass years later.
I think this is pb at work. I really like Penny which for a leftie like me is saying something.
And that's why I don't think she will get it. She's far too pleasant. Too much in touch with the common people. Too with it. Too savvy.
This isn't me being snide. It's because the people who elect the next Conservative leader are 1. Tory MPs and 2. Conservative Members.
If it was the public, or pb.com, very different story.
Oh and tory MPs are pretty misogynistic. After what they deem the nightmare of Theresa May (I thought she was okay) I don't believe they will elect another woman for a long time.
Frankly, you have no idea about the Conservative Party! We had a woman as Conservative leader in 1975. 47 years on, after two, the Labour Party still hasn't had one. You really want to talk misogyny in political parties?
Not only have they not had one, but no woman has ever beaten any man in any Labour leadership election.
It seems scarcely believable when put that way.
Not when you look at the calibre of those involved.
As a woman let me be the first to say that this shouldn't be about tokenism and I don't think it's the place of men to call out misogynism.
I think Rachel Reeves looks a really good prospect. I personally really like Angela Rayner but she would be too gobby for the right wing media.
Penny Mordaunt would make a great Labour leader in the Keir Starmer real politik.
I found this on Penny Mordaunt "Passionate Brexiteer Mordaunt has committed one major political gaffe, when she wrongly claimed Britain would not be able to veto Turkey joining the EU, which got her a furious dressing-down from then boss Mr Cameron".
We need another lying Prime Minister like a hole in the head
Considering Britain was one of the leading countries advocating Turkish accession, its not remotely plausible that Britain would veto Turkey joining after advocating it for a long time period.
That's why the Turkish thing was able to cut through: Cameron was on the record as saying Turkey should join the EU, then suddenly people think Leavers were lying as saying Turkey could. Funny that.
It's all moot. There's no way France would let Turkey in.
.@thesundaytimes’ scoop reveals Lubov Chernukhin, the wife of Vladimir Chernukhin, the former Russian deputy finance minister under Vladimir Putin, donated almost £2m to the Tories since 2012.
The @Conservatives’ addiction to Russian money is endangering our democracy.
That will be British citizen Vladimir Chernukhin you're talking about? Who left Russia and came to the UK and has lived here since 2004?
Are you suggesting we should treat naturalised citizens in this country as second class citizens who're unable to engage in politics? Are you always so anti-immigrants, should all immigrants be treated as scum in your eyes? Should we deport all immigrants just to prevent anyone from engaging in politics?
If we're not careful to treat Mr Chernukhin well, he might take his companies offshore and then we'd lose out on the tax that.. oh, wait.
I think this is pb at work. I really like Penny which for a leftie like me is saying something.
And that's why I don't think she will get it. She's far too pleasant. Too much in touch with the common people. Too with it. Too savvy.
This isn't me being snide. It's because the people who elect the next Conservative leader are 1. Tory MPs and 2. Conservative Members.
If it was the public, or pb.com, very different story.
Oh and tory MPs are pretty misogynistic. After what they deem the nightmare of Theresa May (I thought she was okay) I don't believe they will elect another woman for a long time.
Frankly, you have no idea about the Conservative Party! We had a woman as Conservative leader in 1975. 47 years on, after two, the Labour Party still hasn't had one. You really want to talk misogyny in political parties?
Not only have they not had one, but no woman has ever beaten any man in any Labour leadership election.
It seems scarcely believable when put that way.
Not when you look at the calibre of those involved.
As a woman let me be the first to say that this shouldn't be about tokenism and I don't think it's the place of men to call out misogynism.
I think Rachel Reeves looks a really good prospect. I personally really like Angela Rayner but she would be too gobby for the right wing media.
Penny Mordaunt would make a great Labour leader in the Keir Starmer real politik.
I found this on Penny Mordaunt "Passionate Brexiteer Mordaunt has committed one major political gaffe, when she wrongly claimed Britain would not be able to veto Turkey joining the EU, which got her a furious dressing-down from then boss Mr Cameron".
We need another lying Prime Minister like a hole in the head
Considering Britain was one of the leading countries advocating Turkish accession, its not remotely plausible that Britain would veto Turkey joining after advocating it for a long time period.
That's why the Turkish thing was able to cut through: Cameron was on the record as saying Turkey should join the EU, then suddenly people think Leavers were lying as saying Turkey could. Funny that.
It's all moot. There's no way France would let Turkey in.
More of an issue with Greece, wasn’t there?
They certainly have a history, but I'm not up to speed on whether it would be politically acceptable for the Greeks to allow Turkey in. I could imagine it being quite unpopular, but I'm not really sure about it. France, though, I am sure about. So it could be multiply moot.
I think this is pb at work. I really like Penny which for a leftie like me is saying something.
And that's why I don't think she will get it. She's far too pleasant. Too much in touch with the common people. Too with it. Too savvy.
This isn't me being snide. It's because the people who elect the next Conservative leader are 1. Tory MPs and 2. Conservative Members.
If it was the public, or pb.com, very different story.
Oh and tory MPs are pretty misogynistic. After what they deem the nightmare of Theresa May (I thought she was okay) I don't believe they will elect another woman for a long time.
Frankly, you have no idea about the Conservative Party! We had a woman as Conservative leader in 1975. 47 years on, after two, the Labour Party still hasn't had one. You really want to talk misogyny in political parties?
Not only have they not had one, but no woman has ever beaten any man in any Labour leadership election.
It seems scarcely believable when put that way.
Not when you look at the calibre of those involved.
As a woman let me be the first to say that this shouldn't be about tokenism and I don't think it's the place of men to call out misogynism.
I think Rachel Reeves looks a really good prospect. I personally really like Angela Rayner but she would be too gobby for the right wing media.
Penny Mordaunt would make a great Labour leader in the Keir Starmer real politik.
I found this on Penny Mordaunt "Passionate Brexiteer Mordaunt has committed one major political gaffe, when she wrongly claimed Britain would not be able to veto Turkey joining the EU, which got her a furious dressing-down from then boss Mr Cameron".
We need another lying Prime Minister like a hole in the head
Considering Britain was one of the leading countries advocating Turkish accession, its not remotely plausible that Britain would veto Turkey joining after advocating it for a long time period.
That's why the Turkish thing was able to cut through: Cameron was on the record as saying Turkey should join the EU, then suddenly people think Leavers were lying as saying Turkey could. Funny that.
It's all moot. There's no way France would let Turkey in.
Getting Turkey into the EU was US policy under Clinton and Bush and they looked to the UK to help make it happen, which we were more than happy to do. One of our contributions, under Jack Straw at the FO, was to help Turkey improve their human rights record - an unexceptional policy that was both altruistic and utilitarian at the same time.
One aspect of the current imbroglio that has received no attention whatsoever is where our NATO allies in Ankara stand on the Ukraine question.
I think this is pb at work. I really like Penny which for a leftie like me is saying something.
And that's why I don't think she will get it. She's far too pleasant. Too much in touch with the common people. Too with it. Too savvy.
This isn't me being snide. It's because the people who elect the next Conservative leader are 1. Tory MPs and 2. Conservative Members.
If it was the public, or pb.com, very different story.
Oh and tory MPs are pretty misogynistic. After what they deem the nightmare of Theresa May (I thought she was okay) I don't believe they will elect another woman for a long time.
Frankly, you have no idea about the Conservative Party! We had a woman as Conservative leader in 1975. 47 years on, after two, the Labour Party still hasn't had one. You really want to talk misogyny in political parties?
Not only have they not had one, but no woman has ever beaten any man in any Labour leadership election.
It seems scarcely believable when put that way.
Not when you look at the calibre of those involved.
As a woman let me be the first to say that this shouldn't be about tokenism and I don't think it's the place of men to call out misogynism.
I think Rachel Reeves looks a really good prospect. I personally really like Angela Rayner but she would be too gobby for the right wing media.
Penny Mordaunt would make a great Labour leader in the Keir Starmer real politik.
I found this on Penny Mordaunt "Passionate Brexiteer Mordaunt has committed one major political gaffe, when she wrongly claimed Britain would not be able to veto Turkey joining the EU, which got her a furious dressing-down from then boss Mr Cameron".
We need another lying Prime Minister like a hole in the head
We will get the PM the public decide on in 24 and you may need to steal yourself that you may not like the decision of the British people, yet again
So no choppy economic waters to derail the Conservatives. Are you sure?
Business is already looking a little bumpy in my sector. I hope you are right.
I think this is pb at work. I really like Penny which for a leftie like me is saying something.
And that's why I don't think she will get it. She's far too pleasant. Too much in touch with the common people. Too with it. Too savvy.
This isn't me being snide. It's because the people who elect the next Conservative leader are 1. Tory MPs and 2. Conservative Members.
If it was the public, or pb.com, very different story.
Oh and tory MPs are pretty misogynistic. After what they deem the nightmare of Theresa May (I thought she was okay) I don't believe they will elect another woman for a long time.
Frankly, you have no idea about the Conservative Party! We had a woman as Conservative leader in 1975. 47 years on, after two, the Labour Party still hasn't had one. You really want to talk misogyny in political parties?
Not only have they not had one, but no woman has ever beaten any man in any Labour leadership election.
It seems scarcely believable when put that way.
Not when you look at the calibre of those involved.
As a woman let me be the first to say that this shouldn't be about tokenism and I don't think it's the place of men to call out misogynism.
I think Rachel Reeves looks a really good prospect. I personally really like Angela Rayner but she would be too gobby for the right wing media.
Penny Mordaunt would make a great Labour leader in the Keir Starmer real politik.
I found this on Penny Mordaunt "Passionate Brexiteer Mordaunt has committed one major political gaffe, when she wrongly claimed Britain would not be able to veto Turkey joining the EU, which got her a furious dressing-down from then boss Mr Cameron".
We need another lying Prime Minister like a hole in the head
Considering Britain was one of the leading countries advocating Turkish accession, its not remotely plausible that Britain would veto Turkey joining after advocating it for a long time period.
That's why the Turkish thing was able to cut through: Cameron was on the record as saying Turkey should join the EU, then suddenly people think Leavers were lying as saying Turkey could. Funny that.
It's all moot. There's no way France would let Turkey in.
Agreed, but that's not what either France or Cameron were saying until Vote Leave weaponised Turkish accession.
If anything it was lies by Cameron etc that Turkey would join the EU (pre-referendum) that came back to bite them in the ass years later.
I think this is pb at work. I really like Penny which for a leftie like me is saying something.
And that's why I don't think she will get it. She's far too pleasant. Too much in touch with the common people. Too with it. Too savvy.
This isn't me being snide. It's because the people who elect the next Conservative leader are 1. Tory MPs and 2. Conservative Members.
If it was the public, or pb.com, very different story.
Oh and tory MPs are pretty misogynistic. After what they deem the nightmare of Theresa May (I thought she was okay) I don't believe they will elect another woman for a long time.
Frankly, you have no idea about the Conservative Party! We had a woman as Conservative leader in 1975. 47 years on, after two, the Labour Party still hasn't had one. You really want to talk misogyny in political parties?
Not only have they not had one, but no woman has ever beaten any man in any Labour leadership election.
It seems scarcely believable when put that way.
Not when you look at the calibre of those involved.
As a woman let me be the first to say that this shouldn't be about tokenism and I don't think it's the place of men to call out misogynism.
I think Rachel Reeves looks a really good prospect. I personally really like Angela Rayner but she would be too gobby for the right wing media.
Penny Mordaunt would make a great Labour leader in the Keir Starmer real politik.
I found this on Penny Mordaunt "Passionate Brexiteer Mordaunt has committed one major political gaffe, when she wrongly claimed Britain would not be able to veto Turkey joining the EU, which got her a furious dressing-down from then boss Mr Cameron".
We need another lying Prime Minister like a hole in the head
Considering Britain was one of the leading countries advocating Turkish accession, its not remotely plausible that Britain would veto Turkey joining after advocating it for a long time period.
That's why the Turkish thing was able to cut through: Cameron was on the record as saying Turkey should join the EU, then suddenly people think Leavers were lying as saying Turkey could. Funny that.
It's all moot. There's no way France would let Turkey in.
Agreed, but that's not what either France or Cameron were saying until Vote Leave weaponised Turkish accession.
If anything it was lies by Cameron etc that Turkey would join the EU (pre-referendum) that came back to bite them in the ass years later.
Yes, yes, it's always the fault of Remainers.
Absoutely 100% yes the reason Remain lost is the fault of Remainers. Its not Leavers fault that Remain lost, since Leavers wanted Remain to lose.
You don't blame Harry Kane for Man City losing today, you might blame City players though - or give credit to Kane. Blame goes to those who cause their side to lose, not those who cause their side to win.
I think this is pb at work. I really like Penny which for a leftie like me is saying something.
And that's why I don't think she will get it. She's far too pleasant. Too much in touch with the common people. Too with it. Too savvy.
This isn't me being snide. It's because the people who elect the next Conservative leader are 1. Tory MPs and 2. Conservative Members.
If it was the public, or pb.com, very different story.
Oh and tory MPs are pretty misogynistic. After what they deem the nightmare of Theresa May (I thought she was okay) I don't believe they will elect another woman for a long time.
Frankly, you have no idea about the Conservative Party! We had a woman as Conservative leader in 1975. 47 years on, after two, the Labour Party still hasn't had one. You really want to talk misogyny in political parties?
Not only have they not had one, but no woman has ever beaten any man in any Labour leadership election.
It seems scarcely believable when put that way.
Not when you look at the calibre of those involved.
As a woman let me be the first to say that this shouldn't be about tokenism and I don't think it's the place of men to call out misogynism.
I think Rachel Reeves looks a really good prospect. I personally really like Angela Rayner but she would be too gobby for the right wing media.
Penny Mordaunt would make a great Labour leader in the Keir Starmer real politik.
I found this on Penny Mordaunt "Passionate Brexiteer Mordaunt has committed one major political gaffe, when she wrongly claimed Britain would not be able to veto Turkey joining the EU, which got her a furious dressing-down from then boss Mr Cameron".
We need another lying Prime Minister like a hole in the head
Considering Britain was one of the leading countries advocating Turkish accession, its not remotely plausible that Britain would veto Turkey joining after advocating it for a long time period.
That's why the Turkish thing was able to cut through: Cameron was on the record as saying Turkey should join the EU, then suddenly people think Leavers were lying as saying Turkey could. Funny that.
It's all moot. There's no way France would let Turkey in.
Getting Turkey into the EU was US policy under Clinton and Bush and they looked to the UK to help make it happen, which we were more than happy to do. One of our contributions, under Jack Straw at the FO, was to help Turkey improve their human rights record - an unexceptional policy that was both altruistic and utilitarian at the same time.
One aspect of the current imbroglio that has received no attention whatsoever is where our NATO allies in Ankara stand on the Ukraine question.
Yes, I've been vaguely on the lookout for commentary on that. Turkey's always had a very weird relationship with Russia, and I get the sense of a slight shift Russia-wards under Erdogan. The one time that Russia and the Ottomans aligned after being at each others' throats for centuries was in response to Napoleon. I do wish France would get over its hostility to Turkey.
I think this is pb at work. I really like Penny which for a leftie like me is saying something.
And that's why I don't think she will get it. She's far too pleasant. Too much in touch with the common people. Too with it. Too savvy.
This isn't me being snide. It's because the people who elect the next Conservative leader are 1. Tory MPs and 2. Conservative Members.
If it was the public, or pb.com, very different story.
Oh and tory MPs are pretty misogynistic. After what they deem the nightmare of Theresa May (I thought she was okay) I don't believe they will elect another woman for a long time.
Frankly, you have no idea about the Conservative Party! We had a woman as Conservative leader in 1975. 47 years on, after two, the Labour Party still hasn't had one. You really want to talk misogyny in political parties?
Not only have they not had one, but no woman has ever beaten any man in any Labour leadership election.
It seems scarcely believable when put that way.
Not when you look at the calibre of those involved.
As a woman let me be the first to say that this shouldn't be about tokenism and I don't think it's the place of men to call out misogynism.
I think Rachel Reeves looks a really good prospect. I personally really like Angela Rayner but she would be too gobby for the right wing media.
Penny Mordaunt would make a great Labour leader in the Keir Starmer real politik.
I found this on Penny Mordaunt "Passionate Brexiteer Mordaunt has committed one major political gaffe, when she wrongly claimed Britain would not be able to veto Turkey joining the EU, which got her a furious dressing-down from then boss Mr Cameron".
We need another lying Prime Minister like a hole in the head
Considering Britain was one of the leading countries advocating Turkish accession, its not remotely plausible that Britain would veto Turkey joining after advocating it for a long time period.
That's why the Turkish thing was able to cut through: Cameron was on the record as saying Turkey should join the EU, then suddenly people think Leavers were lying as saying Turkey could. Funny that.
It's all moot. There's no way France would let Turkey in.
Agreed, but that's not what either France or Cameron were saying until Vote Leave weaponised Turkish accession.
If anything it was lies by Cameron etc that Turkey would join the EU (pre-referendum) that came back to bite them in the ass years later.
Yes, yes, it's always the fault of Remainers.
Absoutely 100% yes the reason Remain lost is the fault of Remainers. Its not Leavers fault that Remain lost, since Leavers wanted Remain to lose.
You don't blame Harry Kane for Man City losing today, you might blame City players though - or give credit to Kane. Blame goes to those who cause their side to lose, not those who cause their side to win.
You're trying to pin Leave lies on Remainers though. Which is a little silly if you stop and think.
I think this is pb at work. I really like Penny which for a leftie like me is saying something.
And that's why I don't think she will get it. She's far too pleasant. Too much in touch with the common people. Too with it. Too savvy.
This isn't me being snide. It's because the people who elect the next Conservative leader are 1. Tory MPs and 2. Conservative Members.
If it was the public, or pb.com, very different story.
Oh and tory MPs are pretty misogynistic. After what they deem the nightmare of Theresa May (I thought she was okay) I don't believe they will elect another woman for a long time.
Frankly, you have no idea about the Conservative Party! We had a woman as Conservative leader in 1975. 47 years on, after two, the Labour Party still hasn't had one. You really want to talk misogyny in political parties?
Not only have they not had one, but no woman has ever beaten any man in any Labour leadership election.
It seems scarcely believable when put that way.
Not when you look at the calibre of those involved.
As a woman let me be the first to say that this shouldn't be about tokenism and I don't think it's the place of men to call out misogynism.
I think Rachel Reeves looks a really good prospect. I personally really like Angela Rayner but she would be too gobby for the right wing media.
Penny Mordaunt would make a great Labour leader in the Keir Starmer real politik.
I found this on Penny Mordaunt "Passionate Brexiteer Mordaunt has committed one major political gaffe, when she wrongly claimed Britain would not be able to veto Turkey joining the EU, which got her a furious dressing-down from then boss Mr Cameron".
We need another lying Prime Minister like a hole in the head
Considering Britain was one of the leading countries advocating Turkish accession, its not remotely plausible that Britain would veto Turkey joining after advocating it for a long time period.
That's why the Turkish thing was able to cut through: Cameron was on the record as saying Turkey should join the EU, then suddenly people think Leavers were lying as saying Turkey could. Funny that.
It's all moot. There's no way France would let Turkey in.
Getting Turkey into the EU was US policy under Clinton and Bush and they looked to the UK to help make it happen, which we were more than happy to do. One of our contributions, under Jack Straw at the FO, was to help Turkey improve their human rights record - an unexceptional policy that was both altruistic and utilitarian at the same time.
One aspect of the current imbroglio that has received no attention whatsoever is where our NATO allies in Ankara stand on the Ukraine question.
So they leant on a supposedly sovereign foreign country to help get another supposedly sovereign foreign country to join an organisation of supposedly sovereign foreign countries. That was nice of them. Whether the British voting public wanted Turkey in the EU was a complete irrelevance. Then people wonder why things like Brexit happen.
I think this is pb at work. I really like Penny which for a leftie like me is saying something.
And that's why I don't think she will get it. She's far too pleasant. Too much in touch with the common people. Too with it. Too savvy.
This isn't me being snide. It's because the people who elect the next Conservative leader are 1. Tory MPs and 2. Conservative Members.
If it was the public, or pb.com, very different story.
Oh and tory MPs are pretty misogynistic. After what they deem the nightmare of Theresa May (I thought she was okay) I don't believe they will elect another woman for a long time.
Frankly, you have no idea about the Conservative Party! We had a woman as Conservative leader in 1975. 47 years on, after two, the Labour Party still hasn't had one. You really want to talk misogyny in political parties?
Not only have they not had one, but no woman has ever beaten any man in any Labour leadership election.
It seems scarcely believable when put that way.
Not when you look at the calibre of those involved.
As a woman let me be the first to say that this shouldn't be about tokenism and I don't think it's the place of men to call out misogynism.
I think Rachel Reeves looks a really good prospect. I personally really like Angela Rayner but she would be too gobby for the right wing media.
Penny Mordaunt would make a great Labour leader in the Keir Starmer real politik.
I found this on Penny Mordaunt "Passionate Brexiteer Mordaunt has committed one major political gaffe, when she wrongly claimed Britain would not be able to veto Turkey joining the EU, which got her a furious dressing-down from then boss Mr Cameron".
We need another lying Prime Minister like a hole in the head
Considering Britain was one of the leading countries advocating Turkish accession, its not remotely plausible that Britain would veto Turkey joining after advocating it for a long time period.
That's why the Turkish thing was able to cut through: Cameron was on the record as saying Turkey should join the EU, then suddenly people think Leavers were lying as saying Turkey could. Funny that.
It's all moot. There's no way France would let Turkey in.
Agreed, but that's not what either France or Cameron were saying until Vote Leave weaponised Turkish accession.
If anything it was lies by Cameron etc that Turkey would join the EU (pre-referendum) that came back to bite them in the ass years later.
Yes, yes, it's always the fault of Remainers.
Absoutely 100% yes the reason Remain lost is the fault of Remainers. Its not Leavers fault that Remain lost, since Leavers wanted Remain to lose.
You don't blame Harry Kane for Man City losing today, you might blame City players though - or give credit to Kane. Blame goes to those who cause their side to lose, not those who cause their side to win.
You're trying to pin Leave lies on Remainers though. Which is a little silly if you stop and think.
It wasn't a lie. Turkey were joining the EU, they had already begun the accession process. They were formerly listed on the EU's website as an accession nation.
Joining is a process and that process had already begun. To say that is 100% the truth. That the process has been aborted following the Referendum due to Erdogan isn't something anyone could have known during the referendum, but using Cameron's own words against him is not a lie by Leavers.
I think this is pb at work. I really like Penny which for a leftie like me is saying something.
And that's why I don't think she will get it. She's far too pleasant. Too much in touch with the common people. Too with it. Too savvy.
This isn't me being snide. It's because the people who elect the next Conservative leader are 1. Tory MPs and 2. Conservative Members.
If it was the public, or pb.com, very different story.
Oh and tory MPs are pretty misogynistic. After what they deem the nightmare of Theresa May (I thought she was okay) I don't believe they will elect another woman for a long time.
Frankly, you have no idea about the Conservative Party! We had a woman as Conservative leader in 1975. 47 years on, after two, the Labour Party still hasn't had one. You really want to talk misogyny in political parties?
Not only have they not had one, but no woman has ever beaten any man in any Labour leadership election.
It seems scarcely believable when put that way.
Not when you look at the calibre of those involved.
As a woman let me be the first to say that this shouldn't be about tokenism and I don't think it's the place of men to call out misogynism.
I think Rachel Reeves looks a really good prospect. I personally really like Angela Rayner but she would be too gobby for the right wing media.
Penny Mordaunt would make a great Labour leader in the Keir Starmer real politik.
I found this on Penny Mordaunt "Passionate Brexiteer Mordaunt has committed one major political gaffe, when she wrongly claimed Britain would not be able to veto Turkey joining the EU, which got her a furious dressing-down from then boss Mr Cameron".
We need another lying Prime Minister like a hole in the head
Considering Britain was one of the leading countries advocating Turkish accession, its not remotely plausible that Britain would veto Turkey joining after advocating it for a long time period.
That's why the Turkish thing was able to cut through: Cameron was on the record as saying Turkey should join the EU, then suddenly people think Leavers were lying as saying Turkey could. Funny that.
It's all moot. There's no way France would let Turkey in.
Agreed, but that's not what either France or Cameron were saying until Vote Leave weaponised Turkish accession.
If anything it was lies by Cameron etc that Turkey would join the EU (pre-referendum) that came back to bite them in the ass years later.
You largely talk b******* on EU Referendum issues, but here you are correct.
It did seem an odd tactic for Cameron to spend over six months telling us all how bad the EU was, and Britain's EU membership would only be acceptable if the EU agreed to his super, new terms. When the EU did not agree to his demands he suggested Britain's membership terms were fine after all... and 52% of voters understood the contradiction and voted accordingly.
.@thesundaytimes’ scoop reveals Lubov Chernukhin, the wife of Vladimir Chernukhin, the former Russian deputy finance minister under Vladimir Putin, donated almost £2m to the Tories since 2012.
The @Conservatives’ addiction to Russian money is endangering our democracy.
That will be British citizen Vladimir Chernukhin you're talking about? Who left Russia and came to the UK and has lived here since 2004?
Are you suggesting we should treat naturalised citizens in this country as second class citizens who're unable to engage in politics? Are you always so anti-immigrants, should all immigrants be treated as scum in your eyes? Should we deport all immigrants just to prevent anyone from engaging in politics?
The more pertinent point is this. Under AML rules he would be designated as a PEP - a politically exposed person. So any bank taking his money would need to do some pretty serious due diligence on him.
Now an obvious question to ask is this: what was his salary as deputy finance Minister? Did his wife work and, if so, where and at what salary? Given those salaries, how did they accumulate so much money that they had £2 million spare to spend on the Tory party. If the salary was not sufficiently large to explain it, what was the source of this money etc etc?
If a bank failed to ask these questions, they'd be in trouble. The Tory party should be asking the same questions. Did they?
.@thesundaytimes’ scoop reveals Lubov Chernukhin, the wife of Vladimir Chernukhin, the former Russian deputy finance minister under Vladimir Putin, donated almost £2m to the Tories since 2012.
The @Conservatives’ addiction to Russian money is endangering our democracy.
.@thesundaytimes’ scoop reveals Lubov Chernukhin, the wife of Vladimir Chernukhin, the former Russian deputy finance minister under Vladimir Putin, donated almost £2m to the Tories since 2012.
The @Conservatives’ addiction to Russian money is endangering our democracy.
That will be British citizen Vladimir Chernukhin you're talking about? Who left Russia and came to the UK and has lived here since 2004?
Are you suggesting we should treat naturalised citizens in this country as second class citizens who're unable to engage in politics? Are you always so anti-immigrants, should all immigrants be treated as scum in your eyes? Should we deport all immigrants just to prevent anyone from engaging in politics?
The more pertinent point is this. Under AML rules he would be designated as a PEP - a politically exposed person. So any bank taking his money would need to do some pretty serious due diligence on him.
Now an obvious question to ask is this: what was his salary as deputy finance Minister? Did his wife work and, if so, where and at what salary? Given those salaries, how did they accumulate so much money that they had £2 million spare to spend on the Tory party. If the salary was not sufficiently large to explain it, what was the source of this money etc etc?
If a bank failed to ask these questions, they'd be in trouble. The Tory party should be asking the same questions. Did they?
Anyone with integrity would be be curious of the source when large amounts of cash are involved (and that's regardless of any Russian connections, to be clear). Does that answer the question?
I think this is pb at work. I really like Penny which for a leftie like me is saying something.
And that's why I don't think she will get it. She's far too pleasant. Too much in touch with the common people. Too with it. Too savvy.
This isn't me being snide. It's because the people who elect the next Conservative leader are 1. Tory MPs and 2. Conservative Members.
If it was the public, or pb.com, very different story.
Oh and tory MPs are pretty misogynistic. After what they deem the nightmare of Theresa May (I thought she was okay) I don't believe they will elect another woman for a long time.
Frankly, you have no idea about the Conservative Party! We had a woman as Conservative leader in 1975. 47 years on, after two, the Labour Party still hasn't had one. You really want to talk misogyny in political parties?
Not only have they not had one, but no woman has ever beaten any man in any Labour leadership election.
It seems scarcely believable when put that way.
Not when you look at the calibre of those involved.
As a woman let me be the first to say that this shouldn't be about tokenism and I don't think it's the place of men to call out misogynism.
I think Rachel Reeves looks a really good prospect. I personally really like Angela Rayner but she would be too gobby for the right wing media.
Penny Mordaunt would make a great Labour leader in the Keir Starmer real politik.
I found this on Penny Mordaunt "Passionate Brexiteer Mordaunt has committed one major political gaffe, when she wrongly claimed Britain would not be able to veto Turkey joining the EU, which got her a furious dressing-down from then boss Mr Cameron".
We need another lying Prime Minister like a hole in the head
Considering Britain was one of the leading countries advocating Turkish accession, its not remotely plausible that Britain would veto Turkey joining after advocating it for a long time period.
That's why the Turkish thing was able to cut through: Cameron was on the record as saying Turkey should join the EU, then suddenly people think Leavers were lying as saying Turkey could. Funny that.
It's all moot. There's no way France would let Turkey in.
Agreed, but that's not what either France or Cameron were saying until Vote Leave weaponised Turkish accession.
If anything it was lies by Cameron etc that Turkey would join the EU (pre-referendum) that came back to bite them in the ass years later.
Yes, yes, it's always the fault of Remainers.
Absoutely 100% yes the reason Remain lost is the fault of Remainers. Its not Leavers fault that Remain lost, since Leavers wanted Remain to lose.
You don't blame Harry Kane for Man City losing today, you might blame City players though - or give credit to Kane. Blame goes to those who cause their side to lose, not those who cause their side to win.
You're trying to pin Leave lies on Remainers though. Which is a little silly if you stop and think.
It wasn't a lie. Turkey were joining the EU, they had already begun the accession process. They were formerly listed on the EU's website as an accession nation.
Joining is a process and that process had already begun. To say that is 100% the truth. That the process has been aborted following the Referendum due to Erdogan isn't something anyone could have known during the referendum, but using Cameron's own words against him is not a lie by Leavers.
See how you finesse the lie into a more nuanced truth? "Turkey (population 76 million) is joining the EU" is a lie. If you said "Turkey has applied to join the EU, and that process might end up with them joining eventually if Turkey and every other EU country agrees"... that would be true.
I could put in an application to be the next Commissioner of Met Police, but if you put "Farooq is taking over at Scotland Yard", you'd be lying.
I think this is pb at work. I really like Penny which for a leftie like me is saying something.
And that's why I don't think she will get it. She's far too pleasant. Too much in touch with the common people. Too with it. Too savvy.
This isn't me being snide. It's because the people who elect the next Conservative leader are 1. Tory MPs and 2. Conservative Members.
If it was the public, or pb.com, very different story.
Oh and tory MPs are pretty misogynistic. After what they deem the nightmare of Theresa May (I thought she was okay) I don't believe they will elect another woman for a long time.
Frankly, you have no idea about the Conservative Party! We had a woman as Conservative leader in 1975. 47 years on, after two, the Labour Party still hasn't had one. You really want to talk misogyny in political parties?
Not only have they not had one, but no woman has ever beaten any man in any Labour leadership election.
It seems scarcely believable when put that way.
Not when you look at the calibre of those involved.
As a woman let me be the first to say that this shouldn't be about tokenism and I don't think it's the place of men to call out misogynism.
I think Rachel Reeves looks a really good prospect. I personally really like Angela Rayner but she would be too gobby for the right wing media.
Penny Mordaunt would make a great Labour leader in the Keir Starmer real politik.
I found this on Penny Mordaunt "Passionate Brexiteer Mordaunt has committed one major political gaffe, when she wrongly claimed Britain would not be able to veto Turkey joining the EU, which got her a furious dressing-down from then boss Mr Cameron".
We need another lying Prime Minister like a hole in the head
Considering Britain was one of the leading countries advocating Turkish accession, its not remotely plausible that Britain would veto Turkey joining after advocating it for a long time period.
That's why the Turkish thing was able to cut through: Cameron was on the record as saying Turkey should join the EU, then suddenly people think Leavers were lying as saying Turkey could. Funny that.
It's all moot. There's no way France would let Turkey in.
Agreed, but that's not what either France or Cameron were saying until Vote Leave weaponised Turkish accession.
If anything it was lies by Cameron etc that Turkey would join the EU (pre-referendum) that came back to bite them in the ass years later.
Yes, yes, it's always the fault of Remainers.
Absoutely 100% yes the reason Remain lost is the fault of Remainers. Its not Leavers fault that Remain lost, since Leavers wanted Remain to lose.
You don't blame Harry Kane for Man City losing today, you might blame City players though - or give credit to Kane. Blame goes to those who cause their side to lose, not those who cause their side to win.
You're trying to pin Leave lies on Remainers though. Which is a little silly if you stop and think.
It wasn't a lie. Turkey were joining the EU, they had already begun the accession process. They were formerly listed on the EU's website as an accession nation.
Joining is a process and that process had already begun. To say that is 100% the truth. That the process has been aborted following the Referendum due to Erdogan isn't something anyone could have known during the referendum, but using Cameron's own words against him is not a lie by Leavers.
See how you finesse the lie into a more nuanced truth? "Turkey (population 76 million) is joining the EU" is a lie. If you said "Turkey has applied to join the EU, and that process might end up with them joining eventually if Turkey and every other EU country agrees"... that would be true.
I could put in an application to be the next Commissioner of Met Police, but if you put "Farooq is taking over at Scotland Yard", you'd be lying.
I was a leaver at the time, and could not defend the heavy implication that Turkey was imminent to join, which was the obvious intention though the process had taken decades and no one would think it likely. Each of the campaigns was generally better at making a point for their opponents than themselves with stuff like that. I think defending that shit is unnecessary and undignified, it's 'I am never wrong no matter what' style politics.
I mean, it's very obviously a dog whistle (that THEY'RE ALL GOING TO COME HERE! arrow, jesus). But it's so fucking strange to boot. Where's Portugal? When did Sweden and Poland merge -- is this why Russia's so pissed off, because the EU closed off the Baltic?
Some of the other adverts are worse. "Countries that are joining the EU, and Syria & Iraq are highlighted on there. Oh, yeah, pink instead of red. Plausible deniability. But a conscious, targeted attempt to instil a false idea in the heads of voters. And Barty Boblette wants to to get all Wolfram & Hart on the technicalities of what is and isn't a lie.
I think this is pb at work. I really like Penny which for a leftie like me is saying something.
And that's why I don't think she will get it. She's far too pleasant. Too much in touch with the common people. Too with it. Too savvy.
This isn't me being snide. It's because the people who elect the next Conservative leader are 1. Tory MPs and 2. Conservative Members.
If it was the public, or pb.com, very different story.
Oh and tory MPs are pretty misogynistic. After what they deem the nightmare of Theresa May (I thought she was okay) I don't believe they will elect another woman for a long time.
Frankly, you have no idea about the Conservative Party! We had a woman as Conservative leader in 1975. 47 years on, after two, the Labour Party still hasn't had one. You really want to talk misogyny in political parties?
Not only have they not had one, but no woman has ever beaten any man in any Labour leadership election.
It seems scarcely believable when put that way.
Not when you look at the calibre of those involved.
As a woman let me be the first to say that this shouldn't be about tokenism and I don't think it's the place of men to call out misogynism.
I think Rachel Reeves looks a really good prospect. I personally really like Angela Rayner but she would be too gobby for the right wing media.
Penny Mordaunt would make a great Labour leader in the Keir Starmer real politik.
I found this on Penny Mordaunt "Passionate Brexiteer Mordaunt has committed one major political gaffe, when she wrongly claimed Britain would not be able to veto Turkey joining the EU, which got her a furious dressing-down from then boss Mr Cameron".
We need another lying Prime Minister like a hole in the head
Considering Britain was one of the leading countries advocating Turkish accession, its not remotely plausible that Britain would veto Turkey joining after advocating it for a long time period.
That's why the Turkish thing was able to cut through: Cameron was on the record as saying Turkey should join the EU, then suddenly people think Leavers were lying as saying Turkey could. Funny that.
It's all moot. There's no way France would let Turkey in.
More of an issue with Greece, wasn’t there?
Well, Cyprus most of all.
(In theory, the UK could veto any solution to the Cyprus problem as a permanent member of the UN security council, and thus effectively veto Turkey’s entry into the EU even though we’ve left, but I can’t imagine us doing so.)
@YWNReporter This video uploaded an hour ago. User reports 200+ military vehicles drove through Bershakovo, Russia. (Approx. 10 km from border of Ukraine.)
.@thesundaytimes’ scoop reveals Lubov Chernukhin, the wife of Vladimir Chernukhin, the former Russian deputy finance minister under Vladimir Putin, donated almost £2m to the Tories since 2012.
The @Conservatives’ addiction to Russian money is endangering our democracy.
That will be British citizen Vladimir Chernukhin you're talking about? Who left Russia and came to the UK and has lived here since 2004?
Are you suggesting we should treat naturalised citizens in this country as second class citizens who're unable to engage in politics? Are you always so anti-immigrants, should all immigrants be treated as scum in your eyes? Should we deport all immigrants just to prevent anyone from engaging in politics?
The more pertinent point is this. Under AML rules he would be designated as a PEP - a politically exposed person. So any bank taking his money would need to do some pretty serious due diligence on him.
Now an obvious question to ask is this: what was his salary as deputy finance Minister? Did his wife work and, if so, where and at what salary? Given those salaries, how did they accumulate so much money that they had £2 million spare to spend on the Tory party. If the salary was not sufficiently large to explain it, what was the source of this money etc etc?
If a bank failed to ask these questions, they'd be in trouble. The Tory party should be asking the same questions. Did they?
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But I would trade that pleasure for a government not led by a self confessed liar and criminal with the intellectual capacity of a roast potato, the competency of dipsomaniac in the last stages before death and the appearance of tramp who has been dragged backwards through a hedge, right now.
https://youtu.be/SfC3BvwhH0s
In particular, there are amendments bought forward at a late stage in the bill (in typical style to avoid scrutiny) whereby the government are seeking to take a general power of prohibition to prevent developers from implementing planning permissions. This power could be exercised without any need to compensate developers. So - as a hypothetical example - if Taylor Wimpey or Berkeley Homes fell out with the government for any reason, the government could prevent them from completing any developments they are currently working on, which would have the effect of immediate bankruptcy and ruin.
It is total banana republic stuff and very dangerous indeed. Reminds me a bit of the fate of the farming industry in Zimbabwe.
Analysis at the link below.
https://simonicity.com/2022/02/18/developers-as-proscribed-organisations-the-governments-amendments-to-the-building-safety-bill/
The wife of Putin's ex-finance minister is one of 14 elite donors who attended the Tory "advisory board" — giving her access to the PM's team
Lubov Chernukin said to have lobbied against tax rises for ultra-rich
She didn't dispute this
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-ultra-rich-tory-donors-with-access-to-boris-johnsons-top-team-96bvcwcxl
💰 Appointed Ben Elliot Co-Chair of the Conservative Party
💰 Sanctioned his creation of a secret club of super-rich donors
💰 Allowed his party to accept millions of pounds of Russian-linked cash
The Tories should return every penny.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/295ea650-91a2-11ec-ba83-35d92f80c266?shareToken=4b9f7f1a3a2a65183290125955e29b41
(I jest, but not by much. Gove, in particular, is someone who has interesting ideas that need massive central direction to have any hope of working. Same thinking was behind Dom's Mission Control- remember that? Of course they want the power of life or death over businesses.)
Boris Johnson - likes a party with booze and being photographed in military hardware.
Boris Yeltsin - crazy Russian who liked a party with booze and being photographed in military hardware.
Rasputin - crazy Russian who liked a party and brought down the status quo in Russia
Vladimir Putin - crazy Russian who will bring down the status quo in Russia.
And back to
Boris Johnson - Staus Quo is his moral compass:
Whatever you want
Whatever you like
Whatever you say
You pay your money
You take your choice
Whatever you need
Whatever you use
Whatever you win
Whatever you lose
So I'll vote for little green drones floating over Bodiam Castle.
It feels longer the more you refresh twitter. And that's the secret to long life. Doomscroll twitter every waking hour, so a day feels like a lifetime.
There's also the developing inflation crisis.
I feel like there's been quite a lot of newsnow that Covid isn't squashing everything.
I’m sure the bubbly will be popped if Putin invades and the clown can do his Churchill impression !
We’ll get back to you in half a century or so.
Learnt any lessons? Seems not....
You let BJ sell you a bridge much more recently.
The goal was gaping, and he took it to the corner flag.
A walk by one of his Cabinet allies and it would have been all over.
That time has passed.
Winter is coming.
It would be a disaster for Europe and its peoples with unimaginable consequences
If and when Boris goes he will be one of those going forward and his time will depend on his public performances in the hustings and how others perform
At this moment in time I have no idea who the next PM will be or when
They should keep it, but shit on the donors from a great height.
But a few weeks ago he'd have walked it, if only he'd pushed at an open door.
Now there probably isn't a vacancy for who knows how long. Could be 7 years.
We need another lying Prime Minister like a hole in the head
I genuinely have no idea where this is going but Ukraine is a very worrying situation for all of us
If they put Truss against Sunak though it could go either way with the Tory membership
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0014gv9
That must really chap your butt.... Especially as nothing has changed on the fundamentals.
Latvian politics looks complicated - the Latvian Parliament is as we all know called the Saeima and has 100 seats.
The current Government is a coalition of four parties and has 46 seats. The New Conservatives (JKP) have 15, Development (AP!) - a liberal/centrist bloc of three parties has 12. The right-wing populist National Alliance (NA) has 11 and the centre-right New Unity (JV) has 8 seats.
They are supported by a bloc of 9 Independents including members of New Unity, New Conservatives and the National Alliance who for various reasons don't caucus with the rest of their parties.
The opposition consists of Harmony (the social democratic party) with 18, the Union of Greens and Farmers (10) and assorted independents (17).
If you think that's complicated...
The governing coalition parties won 43.1% of the vote in 2018 but are now on 36.3% according to the latest poll.
Harmony is down a little but ZZS (the Union of Greens and Farmers) is up four and a half points.
There are any number of other parties all trying to get above the 5% threshold for entry to the Saeima. The Progressives (P) are polling at 5.7% (+3.1) while the Latvian Russian Union (LKS) is at 5.1%.
The seismic change in the polling has been the collapse of the New Conservatives (JKP) who are down to just 4.9% (-8.7) and risk losing all their 15 seats. Their loss has been New Unity's gain - they are up to 13.1% (+6.4)primarily because their candidate, Arturs Karins, is the Prime Minister. Despite the poor polling of New Unity in the 2018 election, Karins emerged as a compromise candidate and became Prime Minister in April 2019.
Complicated - well, we've got nearly eight months to figure it out....
Unfortunately, the tidal range in Scotland doesn't lend itself to tidal lagoons.....
Before that I voted for Davis over Cameron and for Clarke over IDS
Less than two months ago when I was proposing we do this soon, it was dismissed by many here as a crazy idea and virtually murdering people because I was willing to let people die.
How quickly things move on.
That's why the Turkish thing was able to cut through: Cameron was on the record as saying Turkey should join the EU, then suddenly people think Leavers were lying as saying Turkey could. Funny that.
The @Conservatives’ addiction to Russian money is endangering our democracy.
https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1495139138194087941
https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1495098477948325892
It's something that's well known in certain circles. As soon as someone with credible evidence comes forward they
Are you suggesting we should treat naturalised citizens in this country as second class citizens who're unable to engage in politics? Are you always so anti-immigrants, should all immigrants be treated as scum in your eyes? Should we deport all immigrants just to prevent anyone from engaging in politics?
If anything it was lies by Cameron etc that Turkey would join the EU (pre-referendum) that came back to bite them in the ass years later.
So it could be multiply moot.
One aspect of the current imbroglio that has received no attention whatsoever is where our NATO allies in Ankara stand on the Ukraine question.
Business is already looking a little bumpy in my sector. I hope you are right.
Good night.
You don't blame Harry Kane for Man City losing today, you might blame City players though - or give credit to Kane. Blame goes to those who cause their side to lose, not those who cause their side to win.
Joining is a process and that process had already begun. To say that is 100% the truth. That the process has been aborted following the Referendum due to Erdogan isn't something anyone could have known during the referendum, but using Cameron's own words against him is not a lie by Leavers.
It did seem an odd tactic for Cameron to spend over six months telling us all how bad the EU was, and Britain's EU membership would only be acceptable if the EU agreed to his super, new terms. When the EU did not agree to his demands he suggested Britain's membership terms were fine after all... and 52% of voters understood the contradiction and voted accordingly.
Now an obvious question to ask is this: what was his salary as deputy finance Minister? Did his wife work and, if so, where and at what salary? Given those salaries, how did they accumulate so much money that they had £2 million spare to spend on the Tory party. If the salary was not sufficiently large to explain it, what was the source of this money etc etc?
If a bank failed to ask these questions, they'd be in trouble. The Tory party should be asking the same questions. Did they?
Surprised she's not gotten a peerage yet.
"Turkey (population 76 million) is joining the EU" is a lie.
If you said "Turkey has applied to join the EU, and that process might end up with them joining eventually if Turkey and every other EU country agrees"... that would be true.
I could put in an application to be the next Commissioner of Met Police, but if you put "Farooq is taking over at Scotland Yard", you'd be lying.
Here's one of the Vote Leave Facebook ads:
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/10AE/production/_102707240_cbd4f1ef-34a0-4124-93a4-114fd1d6f0c8.jpg
I mean, it's very obviously a dog whistle (that THEY'RE ALL GOING TO COME HERE! arrow, jesus). But it's so fucking strange to boot. Where's Portugal? When did Sweden and Poland merge -- is this why Russia's so pissed off, because the EU closed off the Baltic?
Some of the other adverts are worse. "Countries that are joining the EU, and Syria & Iraq are highlighted on there. Oh, yeah, pink instead of red. Plausible deniability. But a conscious, targeted attempt to instil a false idea in the heads of voters. And Barty Boblette wants to to get all Wolfram & Hart on the technicalities of what is and isn't a lie.
NEW tonight: @PressSec says Biden will convene a National Security Council meeting tomorrow on Ukraine -- quite rare for a Sunday
https://twitter.com/JoshNBCNews/status/1495175643666989063
(In theory, the UK could veto any solution to the Cyprus problem as a permanent member of the UN security council, and thus effectively veto Turkey’s entry into the EU even though we’ve left, but I can’t imagine us doing so.)
This video uploaded an hour ago. User reports 200+ military vehicles drove through Bershakovo, Russia. (Approx. 10 km from border of Ukraine.)
https://twitter.com/YWNReporter/status/1495168140061384708