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It had to happen at some stage, I suppose, but today’s Populus online LAB lead of 6% brings to an end an extraordinary polling sequence – that those polls published on Mondays tended to show movement towards Labour while those coming out on Fridays moved back towards the Tories.
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Is this a Dave is crap thread ?0
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Possibly a 'Dave may or may not be crap, but he is doomed' thread?Alanbrooke said:Is this a Dave is crap thread ?
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I'm sure you'll get it onto George soon enough!Alanbrooke said:Is this a Dave is crap thread ?
Meanwhile..north of the border [M O D E R A T E D]
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It is true what they say.Alanbrooke said:Is this a Dave is crap thread ?
Chaps called Alan Brooke are put on this Earth to wind up the Prime Minister of The UK.
Dave = Auchinleck
Boris = Monty
Discuss.
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On topic it was fun whilst it lasted.
It was one of those stastical quirks that happens from time to time.
Like tossing a coin ten times and getting ten heads in a row0 -
For the record I think Auchinleck was harshly treated0
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The two differently-formatted dates on the chart are making my eye twitch.. that and the Labour lead.0
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Redward = PercivalTheScreamingEagles said:
It is true what they say.Alanbrooke said:Is this a Dave is crap thread ?
Chaps called Alan Brooke are put on this Earth to wind up the Prime Minister of The UK.
Dave = Auchinleck
Boris = Monty
Discuss.0 -
@LadPolitics: It's 2/1 that "Ice Bucket" gets a mention in Monday's #indyref debate. http://t.co/eUnIJN0LoI http://t.co/C6oRkTTZCf0
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Ah the fall of Singapore.Patrick said:
Redward = PercivalTheScreamingEagles said:
It is true what they say.Alanbrooke said:Is this a Dave is crap thread ?
Chaps called Alan Brooke are put on this Earth to wind up the Prime Minister of The UK.
Dave = Auchinleck
Boris = Monty
Discuss.
The second most shameful day in British Military history
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The Brookes have a long and noble tradition of pointing out the obvious to the UK PM and trying to get them to see some sense.TheScreamingEagles said:
It is true what they say.Alanbrooke said:Is this a Dave is crap thread ?
Chaps called Alan Brooke are put on this Earth to wind up the Prime Minister of The UK.
Dave = Auchinleck
Boris = Monty
Discuss.
Not all of them listen of course.0 -
Go on then - what do you see as No.1?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ah the fall of Singapore.Patrick said:
Redward = PercivalTheScreamingEagles said:
It is true what they say.Alanbrooke said:Is this a Dave is crap thread ?
Chaps called Alan Brooke are put on this Earth to wind up the Prime Minister of The UK.
Dave = Auchinleck
Boris = Monty
Discuss.
The second most shameful day in British Military history0 -
The Jallianwala Bagh massacrePatrick said:
Go on then - what do you see as No.1?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ah the fall of Singapore.Patrick said:
Redward = PercivalTheScreamingEagles said:
It is true what they say.Alanbrooke said:Is this a Dave is crap thread ?
Chaps called Alan Brooke are put on this Earth to wind up the Prime Minister of The UK.
Dave = Auchinleck
Boris = Monty
Discuss.
The second most shameful day in British Military history
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Up to 1,000 civvies dead... very shameful.TheScreamingEagles said:
The Jallianwala Bagh massacrePatrick said:
Go on then - what do you see as No.1?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ah the fall of Singapore.Patrick said:
Redward = PercivalTheScreamingEagles said:
It is true what they say.Alanbrooke said:Is this a Dave is crap thread ?
Chaps called Alan Brooke are put on this Earth to wind up the Prime Minister of The UK.
Dave = Auchinleck
Boris = Monty
Discuss.
The second most shameful day in British Military history0 -
Not losing the 100 Years War to the French? (shuddders)TheScreamingEagles said:
The Jallianwala Bagh massacrePatrick said:
Go on then - what do you see as No.1?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ah the fall of Singapore.Patrick said:
Redward = PercivalTheScreamingEagles said:
It is true what they say.Alanbrooke said:Is this a Dave is crap thread ?
Chaps called Alan Brooke are put on this Earth to wind up the Prime Minister of The UK.
Dave = Auchinleck
Boris = Monty
Discuss.
The second most shameful day in British Military history0 -
It would have been much worse if General Dyer had been able to get the two armoured cars in.RobD said:
Up to 1,000 civvies dead... very shameful.TheScreamingEagles said:
The Jallianwala Bagh massacrePatrick said:
Go on then - what do you see as No.1?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ah the fall of Singapore.Patrick said:
Redward = PercivalTheScreamingEagles said:
It is true what they say.Alanbrooke said:Is this a Dave is crap thread ?
Chaps called Alan Brooke are put on this Earth to wind up the Prime Minister of The UK.
Dave = Auchinleck
Boris = Monty
Discuss.
The second most shameful day in British Military history
Fortunately the passage ways were to small for them to get in and increase the fatalities
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Melanie Phillips @MelanieLatest 1h
Hamas kill 18 'collaborators', order names withheld. Will it claim these are more 'civilians killed by Israel'? http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-said-to-kill-11-suspected-collaborators/ …0 -
Strictly speaking, that would be English Military HistoryPatrick said:
Not losing the 100 Years War to the French? (shuddders)TheScreamingEagles said:
The Jallianwala Bagh massacrePatrick said:
Go on then - what do you see as No.1?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ah the fall of Singapore.Patrick said:
Redward = PercivalTheScreamingEagles said:
It is true what they say.Alanbrooke said:Is this a Dave is crap thread ?
Chaps called Alan Brooke are put on this Earth to wind up the Prime Minister of The UK.
Dave = Auchinleck
Boris = Monty
Discuss.
The second most shameful day in British Military history
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As an email once put itPatrick said:
Not losing the 100 Years War to the French? (shuddders)TheScreamingEagles said:
The Jallianwala Bagh massacrePatrick said:
Go on then - what do you see as No.1?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ah the fall of Singapore.Patrick said:
Redward = PercivalTheScreamingEagles said:
It is true what they say.Alanbrooke said:Is this a Dave is crap thread ?
Chaps called Alan Brooke are put on this Earth to wind up the Prime Minister of The UK.
Dave = Auchinleck
Boris = Monty
Discuss.
The second most shameful day in British Military history
Hundred Years War: Mostly lost, saved at last by a female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare - "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchmen."
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However we may dwell upon the difficulties of General Dyer during the Amritsar riots, upon the anxious and critical situation in the Punjab, upon the danger to Europeans throughout that province, ... one tremendous fact stands out – I mean the slaughter of nearly 400 persons and the wounding of probably three to four times as many, at the Jallian Wallah Bagh on 13th April. That is an episode which appears to me to be without precedent or parallel in the modern history of the British Empire. ... It is an extraordinary event, a monstrous event, an event which stands in singular and sinister isolation.RobD said:
Up to 1,000 civvies dead... very shameful.TheScreamingEagles said:
The Jallianwala Bagh massacrePatrick said:
Go on then - what do you see as No.1?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ah the fall of Singapore.Patrick said:
Redward = PercivalTheScreamingEagles said:
It is true what they say.Alanbrooke said:Is this a Dave is crap thread ?
Chaps called Alan Brooke are put on this Earth to wind up the Prime Minister of The UK.
Dave = Auchinleck
Boris = Monty
Discuss.
The second most shameful day in British Military history
- Winston Churchill in the House of Commons, July 8, 1920; at the time, Churchill was serving as Secretary of State for War under Prime Minister David Lloyd George
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off-topic methinks Strelkov is dead clever
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Had to google that - I know it better as the Amritsar massacre - a foul deed indeed.TheScreamingEagles said:
The Jallianwala Bagh massacrePatrick said:
Go on then - what do you see as No.1?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ah the fall of Singapore.Patrick said:
Redward = PercivalTheScreamingEagles said:
It is true what they say.Alanbrooke said:Is this a Dave is crap thread ?
Chaps called Alan Brooke are put on this Earth to wind up the Prime Minister of The UK.
Dave = Auchinleck
Boris = Monty
Discuss.
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Let me marshal the facts. The crowd was unarmed, except with bludgeons. It was not attacking anybody or anything. It was holding a seditious meeting. When fire had been opened upon it to disperse it, it tried to run away. Pinned up in a narrow place considerably smaller than Trafalgar Square, with hardly any exits, and packed together so that one bullet would drive through three or four bodies, the people ran madly this way and the other. When the fire was directed upon the centre, they ran to the sides. The fire was then directed to the sides. Many threw themselves down on the ground, and the fire was then directed on the ground. This was continued for 8 or 10 minutes ... [i]f the road had not been so narrow, the machine guns and the armoured cars would have joined in. Finally, when the ammunition had reached the point that only enough remained to allow for the safe return of the troops, and after 379 persons ... had been killed, and when most certainly 1,200 or more had been wounded, the troops, at whom not even a stone had been thrown, swung round and marched away. ... We have to make it absolutely clear ... that this is not the British way of doing business. ... Our reign, in India or anywhere else, has never stood on the basis of physical force alone, and it would be fatal to the British Empire if we were to try to base ourselves only upon it.SimonStClare said:
Had to google that - I know it better as the Amritsar massacre - a foul deed indeed.TheScreamingEagles said:
The Jallianwala Bagh massacrePatrick said:
Go on then - what do you see as No.1?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ah the fall of Singapore.Patrick said:
Redward = PercivalTheScreamingEagles said:
It is true what they say.Alanbrooke said:Is this a Dave is crap thread ?
Chaps called Alan Brooke are put on this Earth to wind up the Prime Minister of The UK.
Dave = Auchinleck
Boris = Monty
Discuss.
The second most shameful day in British Military history
- Winston Churchill in the House of Commons, July 8, 1920
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Actually we're a bit harsh on the Frogs. Across much of history they've been OK at fighting. No worse than us in WW1. Napoleon did OK. Did their 'left hook' bit very competently in Gulf War. 2eme REP are hard cases.TheScreamingEagles said:
As an email once put itPatrick said:
Not losing the 100 Years War to the French? (shuddders)TheScreamingEagles said:
The Jallianwala Bagh massacrePatrick said:
Go on then - what do you see as No.1?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ah the fall of Singapore.Patrick said:
Redward = PercivalTheScreamingEagles said:
It is true what they say.Alanbrooke said:Is this a Dave is crap thread ?
Chaps called Alan Brooke are put on this Earth to wind up the Prime Minister of The UK.
Dave = Auchinleck
Boris = Monty
Discuss.
The second most shameful day in British Military history
Hundred Years War: Mostly lost, saved at last by a female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare - "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchmen."
It's their political leadership that stands out for its awfulness (incl Napoleon) not the army per se. Oh and WW2 wasn't a moment glory! ;-)0 -
Corsican.Patrick said:
Actually we're a bit harsh on the Frogs. Across much of history they've been OK at fighting. No worse than us in WW1. Napoleon did OK. Did their 'left hook' bit very competently in Gulf War. 2eme REP are hard cases.TheScreamingEagles said:
As an email once put itPatrick said:
Not losing the 100 Years War to the French? (shuddders)TheScreamingEagles said:
The Jallianwala Bagh massacrePatrick said:
Go on then - what do you see as No.1?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ah the fall of Singapore.Patrick said:
Redward = PercivalTheScreamingEagles said:
It is true what they say.Alanbrooke said:Is this a Dave is crap thread ?
Chaps called Alan Brooke are put on this Earth to wind up the Prime Minister of The UK.
Dave = Auchinleck
Boris = Monty
Discuss.
The second most shameful day in British Military history
Hundred Years War: Mostly lost, saved at last by a female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare - "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchmen."
It's their political leadership that stands out for its awfulness (incl Napoleon) not the army per se. Oh and WW2 wasn't a moment glory! ;-)
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I have a few Sikh friends who refer to Operation Blue Star as the Amristar massacreSimonStClare said:
Had to google that - I know it better as the Amritsar massacre - a foul deed indeed.TheScreamingEagles said:
The Jallianwala Bagh massacrePatrick said:
Go on then - what do you see as No.1?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ah the fall of Singapore.Patrick said:
Redward = PercivalTheScreamingEagles said:
It is true what they say.Alanbrooke said:Is this a Dave is crap thread ?
Chaps called Alan Brooke are put on this Earth to wind up the Prime Minister of The UK.
Dave = Auchinleck
Boris = Monty
Discuss.
The second most shameful day in British Military history
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Blue_Star
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After Verdun, the French army was incapable of offensive maneuvers. The First World War was won by the British Army.Patrick said:
Actually we're a bit harsh on the Frogs. Across much of history they've been OK at fighting. No worse than us in WW1. Napoleon did OK. Did their 'left hook' bit very competently in Gulf War. 2eme REP are hard cases.TheScreamingEagles said:
As an email once put itPatrick said:
Not losing the 100 Years War to the French? (shuddders)TheScreamingEagles said:
The Jallianwala Bagh massacrePatrick said:
Go on then - what do you see as No.1?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ah the fall of Singapore.Patrick said:
Redward = PercivalTheScreamingEagles said:
It is true what they say.Alanbrooke said:Is this a Dave is crap thread ?
Chaps called Alan Brooke are put on this Earth to wind up the Prime Minister of The UK.
Dave = Auchinleck
Boris = Monty
Discuss.
The second most shameful day in British Military history
Hundred Years War: Mostly lost, saved at last by a female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare - "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchmen."
It's their political leadership that stands out for its awfulness (incl Napoleon) not the army per se. Oh and WW2 wasn't a moment glory! ;-)0 -
I agree and he always behaved honourably thereafter. To compare Cameron with the Awk is grossly unfair to the later. Cameron might, just on a good day have been fit to clean his boots.TheScreamingEagles said:For the record I think Auchinleck was harshly treated
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Touche!Ishmael_X said:
Corsican.Patrick said:
Actually we're a bit harsh on the Frogs. Across much of history they've been OK at fighting. No worse than us in WW1. Napoleon did OK. Did their 'left hook' bit very competently in Gulf War. 2eme REP are hard cases.TheScreamingEagles said:
As an email once put itPatrick said:
Not losing the 100 Years War to the French? (shuddders)TheScreamingEagles said:
The Jallianwala Bagh massacrePatrick said:
Go on then - what do you see as No.1?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ah the fall of Singapore.Patrick said:
Redward = PercivalTheScreamingEagles said:
It is true what they say.Alanbrooke said:Is this a Dave is crap thread ?
Chaps called Alan Brooke are put on this Earth to wind up the Prime Minister of The UK.
Dave = Auchinleck
Boris = Monty
Discuss.
The second most shameful day in British Military history
Hundred Years War: Mostly lost, saved at last by a female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare - "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchmen."
It's their political leadership that stands out for its awfulness (incl Napoleon) not the army per se. Oh and WW2 wasn't a moment glory! ;-)
And 2REP were nicknamed 2emePara for much of the 1980s. (After the shocking and shameful treatment 2 and 3 Para got from their incoming CO after the Falklands. Alot of lasting bitterness there and not the British army's greatest moment. Literally hundreds of veterans miked off to the legion).0 -
Not really though - it was really lost because of the inability of the French to stick to a treaty.TheScreamingEagles said:
As an email once put itPatrick said:
Not losing the 100 Years War to the French? (shuddders)TheScreamingEagles said:
The Jallianwala Bagh massacrePatrick said:
Go on then - what do you see as No.1?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ah the fall of Singapore.Patrick said:
Redward = PercivalTheScreamingEagles said:
It is true what they say.Alanbrooke said:Is this a Dave is crap thread ?
Chaps called Alan Brooke are put on this Earth to wind up the Prime Minister of The UK.
Dave = Auchinleck
Boris = Monty
Discuss.
The second most shameful day in British Military history
Hundred Years War: Mostly lost, saved at last by a female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare - "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchmen."
When we bought Margaret of Anjou to be Henry VI's wife, it came with a 20 year truce that Charles completely ignored as soon as it was convenient.
Perfidious frogs!0 -
Corsica was very briefly a British Protectorate right at the end of the 18th Century.Ishmael_X said:
Corsican.Patrick said:
Actually we're a bit harsh on the Frogs. Across much of history they've been OK at fighting. No worse than us in WW1. Napoleon did OK. Did their 'left hook' bit very competently in Gulf War. 2eme REP are hard cases.TheScreamingEagles said:
As an email once put itPatrick said:
Not losing the 100 Years War to the French? (shuddders)TheScreamingEagles said:
The Jallianwala Bagh massacrePatrick said:
Go on then - what do you see as No.1?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ah the fall of Singapore.Patrick said:
Redward = PercivalTheScreamingEagles said:
It is true what they say.Alanbrooke said:Is this a Dave is crap thread ?
Chaps called Alan Brooke are put on this Earth to wind up the Prime Minister of The UK.
Dave = Auchinleck
Boris = Monty
Discuss.
The second most shameful day in British Military history
Hundred Years War: Mostly lost, saved at last by a female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare - "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchmen."
It's their political leadership that stands out for its awfulness (incl Napoleon) not the army per se. Oh and WW2 wasn't a moment glory! ;-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Corsican_Kingdom0 -
Gulf War I and World War I they had us on their side. Of course they were going to win.Patrick said:
Actually we're a bit harsh on the Frogs. Across much of history they've been OK at fighting. No worse than us in WW1. Napoleon did OK. Did their 'left hook' bit very competently in Gulf War. 2eme REP are hard cases.TheScreamingEagles said:
As an email once put itPatrick said:
Not losing the 100 Years War to the French? (shuddders)TheScreamingEagles said:
The Jallianwala Bagh massacrePatrick said:
Go on then - what do you see as No.1?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ah the fall of Singapore.Patrick said:
Redward = PercivalTheScreamingEagles said:
It is true what they say.Alanbrooke said:Is this a Dave is crap thread ?
Chaps called Alan Brooke are put on this Earth to wind up the Prime Minister of The UK.
Dave = Auchinleck
Boris = Monty
Discuss.
The second most shameful day in British Military history
Hundred Years War: Mostly lost, saved at last by a female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare - "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchmen."
It's their political leadership that stands out for its awfulness (incl Napoleon) not the army per se. Oh and WW2 wasn't a moment glory! ;-)
I've said the Schwarzkopf left hook was one of the truly great military strategies. Puts him up there with Alexander and Caesar
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Today's poll is not sufficient to challenge the hypothesis that Monday polls have a higher L lead of around 2% compared with Friday polls. More data required.0
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True - but like saying 'the Brits didn't amount to much after Overlord - the yanks won on the western front'. The army absorbing the pain of attritional war with Germany and the one that gets to whack it on the head in the end may not be the same. But not sure that diminshes the overall contribution.rcs1000 said:
After Verdun, the French army was incapable of offensive maneuvers. The First World War was won by the British Army.Patrick said:
Actually we're a bit harsh on the Frogs. Across much of history they've been OK at fighting. No worse than us in WW1. Napoleon did OK. Did their 'left hook' bit very competently in Gulf War. 2eme REP are hard cases.TheScreamingEagles said:
As an email once put itPatrick said:
Not losing the 100 Years War to the French? (shuddders)TheScreamingEagles said:
The Jallianwala Bagh massacrePatrick said:
Go on then - what do you see as No.1?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ah the fall of Singapore.Patrick said:
Redward = PercivalTheScreamingEagles said:
It is true what they say.Alanbrooke said:Is this a Dave is crap thread ?
Chaps called Alan Brooke are put on this Earth to wind up the Prime Minister of The UK.
Dave = Auchinleck
Boris = Monty
Discuss.
The second most shameful day in British Military history
Hundred Years War: Mostly lost, saved at last by a female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare - "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchmen."
It's their political leadership that stands out for its awfulness (incl Napoleon) not the army per se. Oh and WW2 wasn't a moment glory! ;-)
WW1 frogs did alright. Certainly stopped the Germans after the long British retreat from Mons by thumping Fritz hard at Marne.0 -
Filthy Unionist rag The Guardian:
Scottish independence: 1m voters sign declaration in favour of yes vote
Yes Scotland campaign hails milestone that Alex Salmond predicted would show Scotland would become independent
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/22/scottish-independence-1m-voters-sign-declaration0 -
..and Sherman.TheScreamingEagles said:
I've said the Schwarzkopf left hook was one of the truly great military strategies. Puts him up there with Alexander and CaesarPatrick said:
Actually we're a bit harsh on the Frogs. Across much of history they've been OK at fighting. No worse than us in WW1. Napoleon did OK. Did their 'left hook' bit very competently in Gulf War. 2eme REP are hard cases.TheScreamingEagles said:
As an email once put itPatrick said:
Not losing the 100 Years War to the French? (shuddders)TheScreamingEagles said:
The Jallianwala Bagh massacrePatrick said:
Go on then - what do you see as No.1?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ah the fall of Singapore.Patrick said:
Redward = PercivalTheScreamingEagles said:
It is true what they say.Alanbrooke said:Is this a Dave is crap thread ?
Chaps called Alan Brooke are put on this Earth to wind up the Prime Minister of The UK.
Dave = Auchinleck
Boris = Monty
Discuss.
The second most shameful day in British Military history
Hundred Years War: Mostly lost, saved at last by a female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare - "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchmen."
It's their political leadership that stands out for its awfulness (incl Napoleon) not the army per se. Oh and WW2 wasn't a moment glory! ;-)0 -
No one mentions the Prussians – useful English allies on more than one occasion IMRC.0
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wasn't that meant to happen in the first year of campaigning rather than with 27 days to go ?CarlottaVance said:Filthy Unionist rag The Guardian:
Scottish independence: 1m voters sign declaration in favour of yes vote
Yes Scotland campaign hails milestone that Alex Salmond predicted would show Scotland would become independent
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/22/scottish-independence-1m-voters-sign-declaration0 -
Until they became "Germany"!SimonStClare said:No one mentions the Prussians – useful English allies on more than one occasion IMRC.
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Of the forces that won Waterloo only 15% were british 75% were german.SimonStClare said:No one mentions the Prussians – useful English allies on more than one occasion IMRC.
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Gavin Hewitt @BBCGavinHewitt 6m
Russia says 'we will not accept the disastrous situation in which people living in the South East of Ukraine have found themselves.'0 -
You'll be questioning his EU advice next!Alanbrooke said:
wasn't that meant to happen in the first year of campaigning rather than with 27 days to go ?CarlottaVance said:Filthy Unionist rag The Guardian:
Scottish independence: 1m voters sign declaration in favour of yes vote
Yes Scotland campaign hails milestone that Alex Salmond predicted would show Scotland would become independent
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/22/scottish-independence-1m-voters-sign-declaration
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@Patrick
"Actually we're a bit harsh on the Frogs."
Really? I mean really? Given the near thousand years of history between us, how can you possibly say that, unless of course you were having a sly jest. A bit harsh on the Frogs, indeed
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NoAlanbrooke said:
wasn't that meant to happen in the first year of campaigning rather than with 27 days to go ?CarlottaVance said:Filthy Unionist rag The Guardian:
Scottish independence: 1m voters sign declaration in favour of yes vote
Yes Scotland campaign hails milestone that Alex Salmond predicted would show Scotland would become independent
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/22/scottish-independence-1m-voters-sign-declaration0 -
OK, I'll give you that - but while Frederick I and II were in charge, we made a good team. ; )Sunil_Prasannan said:
Until they became "Germany"!SimonStClare said:No one mentions the Prussians – useful English allies on more than one occasion IMRC.
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LOLmalcolmg said:
NoAlanbrooke said:
wasn't that meant to happen in the first year of campaigning rather than with 27 days to go ?CarlottaVance said:Filthy Unionist rag The Guardian:
Scottish independence: 1m voters sign declaration in favour of yes vote
Yes Scotland campaign hails milestone that Alex Salmond predicted would show Scotland would become independent
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/22/scottish-independence-1m-voters-sign-declaration
I'll take then malc it's been a struggle to get the signatures.0 -
Afternoon all
I still struggle with the concept that political views change with the days of the week and the notion that the electorate is more Tory midweek than at the weekends.
Some odd comments about the French - let's be honest had there not been a 22-mile strip of water, the German panzers would have swept through England as effectively as France. The French played a big part in the rear-guard at Dunkirk and a significant number of those left behind were French.
As for WW1, Verdun was a brutal battle every bit as attritional (if not more so) than some of the British offensives. It was of course the introduction of tens of thousands of fresh American troops which tipped the balance in 1918 once the Spring Offensive had been stopped - whether, without them, the British and French alone could have forced the final victory is debatable.0 -
Nice trend in the Populus data developing since the end of July. A holiday romance between the voters and Labour?0
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Its a sequence that puts into doubt the ability of polls to predict elections so far out. It seems to me to indicate that the last most recent thing to impinge on a respondents mind affects choice in enough cases to affect the result and make it variable.
If repondents are on a panel and therefore more tuned in than the rest of the electorate - who striuggle to give the name of the last prime minister or know who the Foreign Secretary is - then gain, how is this reflective of 'public' opinion.
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Ladbrokes Politics @LadPolitics 19m
#indyref punters moving strongly towards YES. http://ow.ly/ACbuJ0 -
Hmmstodge said:Afternoon all
I still struggle with the concept that political views change with the days of the week and the notion that the electorate is more Tory midweek than at the weekends.
Some odd comments about the French - let's be honest had there not been a 22-mile strip of water, the German panzers would have swept through England as effectively as France. The French played a big part in the rear-guard at Dunkirk and a significant number of those left behind were French.
As for WW1, Verdun was a brutal battle every bit as attritional (if not more so) than some of the British offensives. It was of course the introduction of tens of thousands of fresh American troops which tipped the balance in 1918 once the Spring Offensive had been stopped - whether, without them, the British and French alone could have forced the final victory is debatable.
I think you'll find it was the British Empire that delivered the coup de grace in 1918.
The french were exhausted, the US too inexperienced; it's probably one of the major European conflicts where it was the brits did it, though chiefly the aussies and canadians who were our shock troops.0 -
That will not stop them claiming it as a British victory.Alanbrooke said:
Of the forces that won Waterloo only 15% were british 75% were german.SimonStClare said:No one mentions the Prussians – useful English allies on more than one occasion IMRC.
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Sherman right hook mainly. Like Stormin' Norman, Sherman had advantages in material and numbers. Grant took a left hook strategy in the Overland Campaign.Patrick said:
..and Sherman.TheScreamingEagles said:
I've said the Schwarzkopf left hook was one of the truly great military strategies. Puts him up there with Alexander and CaesarPatrick said:
Actually we're a bit harsh on the Frogs. Across much of history they've been OK at fighting. No worse than us in WW1. Napoleon did OK. Did their 'left hook' bit very competently in Gulf War. 2eme REP are hard cases.TheScreamingEagles said:
As an email once put itPatrick said:
Not losing the 100 Years War to the French? (shuddders)TheScreamingEagles said:
The Jallianwala Bagh massacrePatrick said:
Go on then - what do you see as No.1?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ah the fall of Singapore.Patrick said:
Redward = PercivalTheScreamingEagles said:
It is true what they say.Alanbrooke said:Is this a Dave is crap thread ?
Chaps called Alan Brooke are put on this Earth to wind up the Prime Minister of The UK.
Dave = Auchinleck
Boris = Monty
Discuss.
The second most shameful day in British Military history
Hundred Years War: Mostly lost, saved at last by a female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare - "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchmen."
It's their political leadership that stands out for its awfulness (incl Napoleon) not the army per se. Oh and WW2 wasn't a moment glory! ;-)
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Wellington did.malcolmg said:
That will not stop them claiming it as a British victory.Alanbrooke said:
Of the forces that won Waterloo only 15% were british 75% were german.SimonStClare said:No one mentions the Prussians – useful English allies on more than one occasion IMRC.
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The figures in the Amritsar massacre used by Churchill were based on a report by the Sewa Samiti, a local charity. They later revised their estimate up to 480 after the official enquiry had concluded. That would be in line with other casualty figures in the period from the weapons used and the ammunition fired, allowing for large numbers killed in the stampede (a la Hillsborough) and the fact that quite a number of the gunmen had never actually fired a rifle before so probably missed entirely. Although figures of 1,000 killed and even higher were rumoured at the time and are still seized on by (ironically) Hindu nationalists, the 480 figure is the one that is likeliest to be accurate (or at any rate, close to the number).
In many ways, even more shameful if less brutal was Dyer's 'crawling order' - but that's another story (or perhaps, another part of the same story).0 -
regardless Alan a fine achievement and a portent of what is to comeAlanbrooke said:
LOLmalcolmg said:
NoAlanbrooke said:
wasn't that meant to happen in the first year of campaigning rather than with 27 days to go ?CarlottaVance said:Filthy Unionist rag The Guardian:
Scottish independence: 1m voters sign declaration in favour of yes vote
Yes Scotland campaign hails milestone that Alex Salmond predicted would show Scotland would become independent
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/22/scottish-independence-1m-voters-sign-declaration
I'll take then malc it's been a struggle to get the signatures.0 -
It was a coalition victory.. such things appear to be getting more common ;-)malcolmg said:
That will not stop them claiming it as a British victory.Alanbrooke said:
Of the forces that won Waterloo only 15% were british 75% were german.SimonStClare said:No one mentions the Prussians – useful English allies on more than one occasion IMRC.
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What a pathetic comment. One is a civilian the other a general. Each doing different jobs in a different era.HurstLlama said:
I agree and he always behaved honourably thereafter. To compare Cameron with the Awk is grossly unfair to the later. Cameron might, just on a good day have been fit to clean his boots.TheScreamingEagles said:For the record I think Auchinleck was harshly treated
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Another annoying bog trotting military man :-)Alanbrooke said:
Wellington did.malcolmg said:
That will not stop them claiming it as a British victory.Alanbrooke said:
Of the forces that won Waterloo only 15% were british 75% were german.SimonStClare said:No one mentions the Prussians – useful English allies on more than one occasion IMRC.
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believe it when I see it.malcolmg said:
regardless Alan a fine achievement and a portent of what is to comeAlanbrooke said:
LOLmalcolmg said:
NoAlanbrooke said:
wasn't that meant to happen in the first year of campaigning rather than with 27 days to go ?CarlottaVance said:Filthy Unionist rag The Guardian:
Scottish independence: 1m voters sign declaration in favour of yes vote
Yes Scotland campaign hails milestone that Alex Salmond predicted would show Scotland would become independent
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/22/scottish-independence-1m-voters-sign-declaration
I'll take then malc it's been a struggle to get the signatures.
When you've excluded the A Darling, G Haddy and Ronald McDonald from the list which you always get in petitions what's left ? A PR opportunity, that's all.0 -
@stodge 'I still struggle with the concept that political views change with the days of the week and the notion that the electorate is more Tory midweek than at the weekends.'
Unless it's an optimism/pessimism thing - we're all a bit down in the dumps to be back at work on Monday and want things to change but have brightened up and feel better about our lives by Thursday so are happier with the status quo.
However, if there is such an effect it is very strange that it has never been noticed before.0 -
Salmond was the first to sign.Alanbrooke said:
LOLmalcolmg said:
NoAlanbrooke said:
wasn't that meant to happen in the first year of campaigning rather than with 27 days to go ?CarlottaVance said:Filthy Unionist rag The Guardian:
Scottish independence: 1m voters sign declaration in favour of yes vote
Yes Scotland campaign hails milestone that Alex Salmond predicted would show Scotland would become independent
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/22/scottish-independence-1m-voters-sign-declaration
I'll take then malc it's been a struggle to get the signatures.
He was followed by a host of celebrities, politicians and campaigners who spoke up for independence in front of a cheering 500-strong audience at Edinburgh’s Cineworld cinema. They included X-Men star Alan Cumming and fellow Hollywood actor Brian Cox – who are both based in the US.
But after signing the declaration, New York-based Cumming tweeted: “I’m becoming a resident of Scotland again in order to vote in 2014.”
Cox also said he wanted to return to Scotland.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/yes-scotland-campaign-launched-with-call-858401
Cumming bought a dump bijou flat in Edinburgh to qualify - but has since had to concede he won't.....any news on Brian Cox, or is that two we should knock off the total?0 -
Is UB40's "One in Ten" a song about voting in the PCC by-election?
What a joke. Getting rid of these roles needs to be high on Labour's agenda.0 -
A distinguished ancestor of mine was there with that well known Loyalist Regiment, the Black Watch.malcolmg said:
That will not stop them claiming it as a British victory.Alanbrooke said:
Of the forces that won Waterloo only 15% were british 75% were german.SimonStClare said:No one mentions the Prussians – useful English allies on more than one occasion IMRC.
Better Together indeed!0 -
@Stoge
"... [without the Yanks] the British and French alone could have forced the final victory is debatable."
No it isn't. That is exactly what happened. The number of US troops was relatively small, their effect was psychological if anything. I would suggest that even the French, for all their sacrifices in earlier years, weren't really there in 1918. That campaign was really a British & Dominion victory and victory it was, don't believe any o the crap Hitler tried to peddle afterwards, the Germany army was thumped in the field.0 -
An amazing stat - I wonder how many think Wellington and a bunch of English squaddies stood alone against the French - rather than the combined army of England, Holland, Hanover, Brunswick, Nassau and 50.000 Prussians?Alanbrooke said:
Of the forces that won Waterloo only 15% were british 75% were german.SimonStClare said:No one mentions the Prussians – useful English allies on more than one occasion IMRC.
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25% for Yes?malcolmg said:
regardless Alan a fine achievement and a portent of what is to comeAlanbrooke said:
LOLmalcolmg said:
NoAlanbrooke said:
wasn't that meant to happen in the first year of campaigning rather than with 27 days to go ?CarlottaVance said:Filthy Unionist rag The Guardian:
Scottish independence: 1m voters sign declaration in favour of yes vote
Yes Scotland campaign hails milestone that Alex Salmond predicted would show Scotland would become independent
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/22/scottish-independence-1m-voters-sign-declaration
I'll take then malc it's been a struggle to get the signatures.
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But I thought the Germans only turned up about 2/3 of the way through the film.SimonStClare said:
An amazing stat - I wonder how many think Wellington and a bunch of English squaddies stood alone against the French - rather than the combined army of England, Holland, Hanover, Brunswick, Nassau and 50.000 Prussians?Alanbrooke said:
Of the forces that won Waterloo only 15% were british 75% were german.SimonStClare said:No one mentions the Prussians – useful English allies on more than one occasion IMRC.
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all checked against the electoral roll Alan, all donald ducks and those not eligible to vote were not counted in the million, and you could only register once.Alanbrooke said:
believe it when I see it.malcolmg said:
regardless Alan a fine achievement and a portent of what is to comeAlanbrooke said:
LOLmalcolmg said:
NoAlanbrooke said:
wasn't that meant to happen in the first year of campaigning rather than with 27 days to go ?CarlottaVance said:Filthy Unionist rag The Guardian:
Scottish independence: 1m voters sign declaration in favour of yes vote
Yes Scotland campaign hails milestone that Alex Salmond predicted would show Scotland would become independent
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/22/scottish-independence-1m-voters-sign-declaration
I'll take then malc it's been a struggle to get the signatures.
When you've excluded the A Darling, G Haddy and Ronald McDonald from the list which you always get in petitions what's left ? A PR opportunity, that's all.
As I said impressive.0 -
Zing.RobD said:
It was a coalition victory.. such things appear to be getting more common ;-)malcolmg said:
That will not stop them claiming it as a British victory.Alanbrooke said:
Of the forces that won Waterloo only 15% were british 75% were german.SimonStClare said:No one mentions the Prussians – useful English allies on more than one occasion IMRC.
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@HurstLlama 'The number of US troops was relatively small, their effect was psychological if anything.'
Two million men was a significant presence, even if the British army was more than four times that. But you're maybe overlooking the other crucial things America brought - money, materials and food to continue the fight, all of which Britain was rapidly running out of after four years of war wastage. Admittedly, the British army had always been much better equipped and fed than the German army (descriptions of appalling German rations in All Quiet on the Western Front and forage parties seizing British cans of corned beef in attacks on the front line appear to be accurate) but it was a much needed boost at the time, psychologically and physically.0 -
The anniversary’s next year is it not? Hmmmmmalcolmg said:
That will not stop them claiming it as a British victory.Alanbrooke said:
Of the forces that won Waterloo only 15% were british 75% were german.SimonStClare said:No one mentions the Prussians – useful English allies on more than one occasion IMRC.
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Don't moan at me, old boy, go talk to the person who made the initial comparison.Flightpath said:
What a pathetic comment. One is a civilian the other a general. Each doing different jobs in a different era.HurstLlama said:
I agree and he always behaved honourably thereafter. To compare Cameron with the Awk is grossly unfair to the later. Cameron might, just on a good day have been fit to clean his boots.TheScreamingEagles said:For the record I think Auchinleck was harshly treated
Of course, if you want to say that Cameron is a man of deep principle who will do what he thinks is right regardless of what the focus groups come up with then please go for it. We will all, I am sure, be interested to see your narrative and, if any, evidence.0 -
On topic, the results of the PCC by-election in the West Midlands show Labour doing a bit better, the Tories and bit worse, UKIP a bit better and the LibDems about the same as last time, do they not?0
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Typically poor piece of journalism: this page fails to give a clear tabulation of the result of the West Midlands PCC election. You have to search around in the text for the numbers, and the percentages for the UKIP and LD candidates aren't even given.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-288983470 -
For a giggle check out what the a Scottish Government thinks are the most popular FAQ on independence:
http://www.scotreferendum.com/questions-and-answers/0 -
Yeah forgive me if I don't take everything the SNP's spinners say at face value.malcolmg said:
all checked against the electoral roll Alan, all donald ducks and those not eligible to vote were not counted in the million, and you could only register once.Alanbrooke said:
believe it when I see it.malcolmg said:
regardless Alan a fine achievement and a portent of what is to comeAlanbrooke said:
LOLmalcolmg said:
NoAlanbrooke said:
wasn't that meant to happen in the first year of campaigning rather than with 27 days to go ?CarlottaVance said:Filthy Unionist rag The Guardian:
Scottish independence: 1m voters sign declaration in favour of yes vote
Yes Scotland campaign hails milestone that Alex Salmond predicted would show Scotland would become independent
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/22/scottish-independence-1m-voters-sign-declaration
I'll take then malc it's been a struggle to get the signatures.
When you've excluded the A Darling, G Haddy and Ronald McDonald from the list which you always get in petitions what's left ? A PR opportunity, that's all.
As I said impressive.0 -
I don't think Ronald McDonald would sign it, he's BettertogetherUKOKNoThanks' pet economist.Alanbrooke said:
believe it when I see it.malcolmg said:
regardless Alan a fine achievement and a portent of what is to comeAlanbrooke said:
LOLmalcolmg said:
NoAlanbrooke said:
wasn't that meant to happen in the first year of campaigning rather than with 27 days to go ?CarlottaVance said:Filthy Unionist rag The Guardian:
Scottish independence: 1m voters sign declaration in favour of yes vote
Yes Scotland campaign hails milestone that Alex Salmond predicted would show Scotland would become independent
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/22/scottish-independence-1m-voters-sign-declaration
I'll take then malc it's been a struggle to get the signatures.
When you've excluded the A Darling, G Haddy and Ronald McDonald from the list which you always get in petitions what's left ? A PR opportunity, that's all.
I seem to remember at the time that herd wisdom said the one million would never be reached.
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@CarlottaVance Strangely, in all that list I can find no mention of a currency. Yet the future of the BBC is at number 3.
Doesn't augur well for Scotland if it does go independent that it will be ruled by politicians who are interested in fripperies rather than real, hard issues a la the French Third Republic (obsessed by Jews and Jesuits while the national economy crumbled around them).
(Edit - on reflection of course we could make the same comment about Westminster, so that's not a good argument either way...)0 -
Someone has posted a comment on Twitter saying "does 16% for UKIP in the PCC election mean their bandwagon has hit the buffers?" They obviously don't know what they're talking about because 16% in the West Midlands conurbation would equate to more than 20% nationally.0
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I note you forgot the ones that actually ensured victorySimonStClare said:
An amazing stat - I wonder how many think Wellington and a bunch of English squaddies stood alone against the French - rather than the combined army of England, Holland, Hanover, Brunswick, Nassau and 50.000 Prussians?Alanbrooke said:
Of the forces that won Waterloo only 15% were british 75% were german.SimonStClare said:No one mentions the Prussians – useful English allies on more than one occasion IMRC.
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hmm looks a bit one-sided. ;-)CarlottaVance said:For a giggle check out what the a Scottish Government thinks are the most popular FAQ on independence:
http://www.scotreferendum.com/questions-and-answers/0 -
Holy crap, there was an election last night????0
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The Irish..?malcolmg said:
I note you forgot the ones that actually ensured victorySimonStClare said:
An amazing stat - I wonder how many think Wellington and a bunch of English squaddies stood alone against the French - rather than the combined army of England, Holland, Hanover, Brunswick, Nassau and 50.000 Prussians?Alanbrooke said:
Of the forces that won Waterloo only 15% were british 75% were german.SimonStClare said:No one mentions the Prussians – useful English allies on more than one occasion IMRC.
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Speaking of gimmicks, when is Salmond going to get his icy drenching ?malcolmg said:
all checked against the electoral roll Alan, all donald ducks and those not eligible to vote were not counted in the million, and you could only register once.Alanbrooke said:
believe it when I see it.malcolmg said:
regardless Alan a fine achievement and a portent of what is to comeAlanbrooke said:
LOLmalcolmg said:
NoAlanbrooke said:
wasn't that meant to happen in the first year of campaigning rather than with 27 days to go ?CarlottaVance said:Filthy Unionist rag The Guardian:
Scottish independence: 1m voters sign declaration in favour of yes vote
Yes Scotland campaign hails milestone that Alex Salmond predicted would show Scotland would become independent
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/22/scottish-independence-1m-voters-sign-declaration
I'll take then malc it's been a struggle to get the signatures.
When you've excluded the A Darling, G Haddy and Ronald McDonald from the list which you always get in petitions what's left ? A PR opportunity, that's all.
As I said impressive.0 -
LOL, I am rolling about the floor, what is wrong with lots of fripperies.ydoethur said:@CarlottaVance Strangely, in all that list I can find no mention of a currency. Yet the future of the BBC is at number 3.
Doesn't augur well for Scotland if it does go independent that it will be ruled by politicians who are interested in fripperies rather than real, hard issues a la the French Third Republic (obsessed by Jews and Jesuits while the national economy crumbled around them).
(Edit - on reflection of course we could make the same comment about Westminster, so that's not a good argument either way...)0 -
No, it's a thread about this book:Alanbrooke said:Is this a Dave is crap thread ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fooled_by_Randomness
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@malcolmg no, he had the Prussians tacked on to the end :-)0
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No, really it wasn't. If the war had lasted into 1919 then the US contribution would have been significant, vital even (as per WW2). It didn't and so it wasn't. In the summer and autumn of 1918 the Septics were still getting organised and learning what modern warfare was about.ydoethur said:@HurstLlama 'The number of US troops was relatively small, their effect was psychological if anything.'
Two million men was a significant presence, even if the British army was more than four times that. But you're maybe overlooking the other crucial things America brought - money, materials and food to continue the fight, all of which Britain was rapidly running out of after four years of war wastage. Admittedly, the British army had always been much better equipped and fed than the German army (descriptions of appalling German rations in All Quiet on the Western Front and forage parties seizing British cans of corned beef in attacks on the front line appear to be accurate) but it was a much needed boost at the time, psychologically and physically.0 -
@MikeSmithson
"I don’t know if this is simply a fluke but it has been fun charting it. I like the reaction from Tory activists – “let’s be thankful that general elections take place on Thursday not at the weekend”.
That's just nasty Mike!!!!
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One account I read speculated that things could have been very different if the Germans had not tried to hold onto so much land in the East with the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk.Alanbrooke said:
Hmmstodge said:Afternoon all
I still struggle with the concept that political views change with the days of the week and the notion that the electorate is more Tory midweek than at the weekends.
Some odd comments about the French - let's be honest had there not been a 22-mile strip of water, the German panzers would have swept through England as effectively as France. The French played a big part in the rear-guard at Dunkirk and a significant number of those left behind were French.
As for WW1, Verdun was a brutal battle every bit as attritional (if not more so) than some of the British offensives. It was of course the introduction of tens of thousands of fresh American troops which tipped the balance in 1918 once the Spring Offensive had been stopped - whether, without them, the British and French alone could have forced the final victory is debatable.
I think you'll find it was the British Empire that delivered the coup de grace in 1918.
The french were exhausted, the US too inexperienced; it's probably one of the major European conflicts where it was the brits did it, though chiefly the aussies and canadians who were our shock troops.
With more soldiers available for the Western Front, rather than holding territory in the East, and the German Spring Offensive of 1918 might have succeeded.0 -
It was one of those interesting non-bets.Theuniondivvie said:
I don't think Ronald McDonald would sign it, he's BettertogetherUKOKNoThanks' pet economist.Alanbrooke said:
believe it when I see it.malcolmg said:
regardless Alan a fine achievement and a portent of what is to comeAlanbrooke said:
LOLmalcolmg said:
NoAlanbrooke said:
wasn't that meant to happen in the first year of campaigning rather than with 27 days to go ?CarlottaVance said:Filthy Unionist rag The Guardian:
Scottish independence: 1m voters sign declaration in favour of yes vote
Yes Scotland campaign hails milestone that Alex Salmond predicted would show Scotland would become independent
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/22/scottish-independence-1m-voters-sign-declaration
I'll take then malc it's been a struggle to get the signatures.
When you've excluded the A Darling, G Haddy and Ronald McDonald from the list which you always get in petitions what's left ? A PR opportunity, that's all.
I seem to remember at the time that herd wisdom said the one million would never be reached.
Unionists saying they'd never make a million and Nats claiming they'd do it overnight. In the event it's better late than never assuming of course one believes what one's told.0 -
pluralSimonStClare said:
The Irish..?malcolmg said:
I note you forgot the ones that actually ensured victorySimonStClare said:
An amazing stat - I wonder how many think Wellington and a bunch of English squaddies stood alone against the French - rather than the combined army of England, Holland, Hanover, Brunswick, Nassau and 50.000 Prussians?Alanbrooke said:
Of the forces that won Waterloo only 15% were british 75% were german.SimonStClare said:No one mentions the Prussians – useful English allies on more than one occasion IMRC.
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So no Alan Cumming then?malcolmg said:
all checked against the electoral roll Alan.Alanbrooke said:
believe it when I see it.malcolmg said:
regardless Alan a fine achievement and a portent of what is to comeAlanbrooke said:
LOLmalcolmg said:
NoAlanbrooke said:
wasn't that meant to happen in the first year of campaigning rather than with 27 days to go ?CarlottaVance said:Filthy Unionist rag The Guardian:
Scottish independence: 1m voters sign declaration in favour of yes vote
Yes Scotland campaign hails milestone that Alex Salmond predicted would show Scotland would become independent
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/22/scottish-independence-1m-voters-sign-declaration
I'll take then malc it's been a struggle to get the signatures.
When you've excluded the A Darling, G Haddy and Ronald McDonald from the list which you always get in petitions what's left ? A PR opportunity, that's all.
Despite your claims to the contrary?
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Hopefully he will not stoop to the depths of flipper , lacking in morals but happy to debase himself for mammon.MonikerDiCanio said:
Speaking of gimmicks, when is Salmond going to get his icy drenching ?malcolmg said:
all checked against the electoral roll Alan, all donald ducks and those not eligible to vote were not counted in the million, and you could only register once.Alanbrooke said:
believe it when I see it.malcolmg said:
regardless Alan a fine achievement and a portent of what is to comeAlanbrooke said:
LOLmalcolmg said:
NoAlanbrooke said:
wasn't that meant to happen in the first year of campaigning rather than with 27 days to go ?CarlottaVance said:Filthy Unionist rag The Guardian:
Scottish independence: 1m voters sign declaration in favour of yes vote
Yes Scotland campaign hails milestone that Alex Salmond predicted would show Scotland would become independent
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/22/scottish-independence-1m-voters-sign-declaration
I'll take then malc it's been a struggle to get the signatures.
When you've excluded the A Darling, G Haddy and Ronald McDonald from the list which you always get in petitions what's left ? A PR opportunity, that's all.
As I said impressive.0 -
Phew that's a relief Richard, that means we're still due a Dave is crap thread and I'm hoping Avery will be back by then .Richard_Nabavi said:
No, it's a thread about this book:Alanbrooke said:Is this a Dave is crap thread ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fooled_by_Randomness0 -
@CarlottaVance
what is wrong with lots of fripperies
Nothing, of course, as long as they do not elbow the real issues out of the way. That's where Blair went so badly wrong - spent more time in his first term and indeed into his second term trying to sort out fox hunting than he did reforming the NHS or the national school system, or reforming the university system to make it financially sustainable.
It could of course be pointed out that hunting was a totemic issue and I seem to remember MPs complained that they received more correspondence on that than every other issue put together - but was it really more important than trying to sort out healthcare and education? I would argue not, and one of Michael Howard's few really convincing performances was when he made exactly the same argument and reduced Blair to stuttering incoherence.
And of course, after all that, there still is no actually effective ban on fox hunting...0 -
Good evening, everyone.
Watched most of practice. 0.6s gap in P2 is not representative of actual pace, I suspect.
McLaren looking a bit better than expected, likewise Ferrari. Williams a bit less so, but they've often appeared off the boil in practice only to be on fire in qualifying.
Plan to put up a pre-qualifying piece at the usual sort of time tomorrow. No idea if I'll offer a tip or not.0 -
Well as it’s raising money for MND research the sooner the better. Incurable and cruel diseaseMonikerDiCanio said:
Speaking of gimmicks, when is Salmond going to get his icy drenching ?malcolmg said:
all checked against the electoral roll Alan, all donald ducks and those not eligible to vote were not counted in the million, and you could only register once.Alanbrooke said:
believe it when I see it.malcolmg said:
regardless Alan a fine achievement and a portent of what is to comeAlanbrooke said:
LOLmalcolmg said:
NoAlanbrooke said:
wasn't that meant to happen in the first year of campaigning rather than with 27 days to go ?CarlottaVance said:Filthy Unionist rag The Guardian:
Scottish independence: 1m voters sign declaration in favour of yes vote
Yes Scotland campaign hails milestone that Alex Salmond predicted would show Scotland would become independent
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/22/scottish-independence-1m-voters-sign-declaration
I'll take then malc it's been a struggle to get the signatures.
When you've excluded the A Darling, G Haddy and Ronald McDonald from the list which you always get in petitions what's left ? A PR opportunity, that's all.
As I said impressive.0 -
You are almost as desperate as Scott nowadays, both a pair of sad caricatures, wailing and gnashing against Scotland. Desperately using false figures and twisting things in your agony. The final dagger thrust will soon end your torture.CarlottaVance said:
So no Alan Cumming then?malcolmg said:
all checked against the electoral roll Alan.Alanbrooke said:
believe it when I see it.malcolmg said:
regardless Alan a fine achievement and a portent of what is to comeAlanbrooke said:
LOLmalcolmg said:
NoAlanbrooke said:
wasn't that meant to happen in the first year of campaigning rather than with 27 days to go ?CarlottaVance said:Filthy Unionist rag The Guardian:
Scottish independence: 1m voters sign declaration in favour of yes vote
Yes Scotland campaign hails milestone that Alex Salmond predicted would show Scotland would become independent
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/22/scottish-independence-1m-voters-sign-declaration
I'll take then malc it's been a struggle to get the signatures.
When you've excluded the A Darling, G Haddy and Ronald McDonald from the list which you always get in petitions what's left ? A PR opportunity, that's all.
Despite your claims to the contrary?0
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